Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Does OSM have a similar concept as the "Organisation" from Mappilary?

On 07/07/2020, Donal Hunt wrote: > https://osmcha.org has a teams function which allows you to see changes > over time. See https://osmcha.org/teams > Pascal Neis also has some tools. e.g. you can visualise by hashtag here: >

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Summits imported from mountainviews.ie

On 29/11/2019, Donal Hunt wrote: > The latest major revision of WGS 84 is also referred to as "Earth > Gravitational Model 1996" (EGM96), first published in 1996, with revisions > as recent as 2004. This model has the same reference ellipsoid as WGS 84, > but has a higher-fidelity geoid (roughly

[OSM-talk-ie] Summits imported from mountainviews.ie

Hi, I've just fixed Lugnaquilla's "ele" tag to use the EGM96 system, as opposed to the WGS84 one: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/77737107 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ele?uselang=en That one was reported by an OSM note, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of the natural=peak

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Duplicate townland nodes

On 03/10/2019, Mark O'Donovan wrote: > Hi, > > The two items below have the same tags and appear twice in the FDroid > version of Maps.me. > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5910219 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3524289126 > > locality : townland > name : Knockrobin > place :

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Raths / ringforts

On 06/09/2018, Rory McCann wrote: > I mapped a lot with historical=earthworks earthworks=rath. A few years > brianh came up with a tagging scheme for historic objects like that in > Ireland, and that was the tagging for ringforts, so I used that. I have > no strong attachment to it, and would be

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Raths / ringforts

On 05/09/2018, Donal Hunt wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringfort > > In Irish language sources > they are known by a number of names: *ráth* (anglicised *rath*), *lios* > (anglicised *lis*; cognate with Cornish > > (...) > > Based on the

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Raths / ringforts

On 05/09/2018, Colm Moore wrote: > Hi, > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:fortification%20type=ringfort?uselang=en-GB > > > Was someone running a project on mapping / tidying-up raths / ringforts? I > notice many are mapped in Cork and Kilkenny, but few elsewhere. User b-unicycling

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Is data being corrupted?

That changeset was a newbie's first, under my supervision. I was making an introduction to OSM at my coworking space, which is located right there by the train station. When reviewing the session's edits I noticed the strange "delete one POI and edit another identical one" behaviour but not that

Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

Le 6 août 2017 15:55:04 GMT+02:00, Simon Poole a écrit : > > >Am 06.08.2017 um 14:20 schrieb Rory McCann: >> ... >> I suggested it only be allowed if: (i) [THING] is a noun-like word >which >> refers to something that is mapped in OSM. (ii) You are making a map >of >> that

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

On 4 May 2017 22:33:47 IST, Frederik Ramm wrote: >It doesn't matter that anyone can sign up and then view that data; we >can at least make people promise to only use the data for project >internal use when they sign up. While I'm not looking forward to having to login to

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap United Kingdom

On 18 April 2017 20:40:06 IST, Colm Moore wrote: >Paul, > >About 12% of my edits are in the UK, mostly Northern Ireland, with a >strong leaning to power and some other networks. > > >I have no particular opinion on this, other than there are certain >practicalities that

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging the Ireland/Northern Ireland border

Using a phone, sorry for the short answer to a detailed mail. Puting boundary-related tags on the ways is redundant (duplicates the relation tags), risks getting out of sync with the relation, handles ways belonging to multiple boundaries (always the case for countey borders) badly, and can be

Re: [OSM-talk] Looking for "primary language" map

On 11 April 2017 08:26:14 IST, Rory McCann wrote: >You could try to run the "name" tag though a language detection >algorithm and see what comes out. I think Google released one a few >years ago: cf. https://github.com/Mimino666/langdetect > >Ethnologue has some. But I

Re: [OSM-talk] Changing Bing to bing

On 6 March 2017 5:41:01 PM GMT+01:00, Andy Townsend wrote: >On 06/03/2017 07:32, Werner Poppele wrote: > > I'd also suggest that >whatever it is in JOSM that's recommending this be changed so as not >to. A couple of times in the past I've suggested that JOSM's rules be

Re: [OSM-talk] Streetcomplete

On 16 March 2017 5:43:34 PM GMT+00:00, Alert Bouterse wrote: >Hi everyone, > >Since I am daily on the street for work. I improve the maps, using >Streetcomplete. Last week, I needed to give my mobile a factory reset. >Since then, the app is giving an error, getting the

Re: [OSM-talk] Changing Bing to bing

On 6 March 2017 5:41:01 PM GMT+01:00, Andy Townsend wrote: >1) If JOSM is really recommending that you change "source=Bing" to >"source=bing" or vice versa then I'd suggest that you ignore it. With >both "Bing" and "bing" it's pretty obvious what the source is and not

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing broken multipolygons

On 4 March 2017 9:50:41 AM GMT+00:00, Martin Koppenhoefer >I want to point out though that " >Errors: Inner rings with same tags as outer rings" > >are not necessarily errors, and should not be "fixed" unless you know >very well the situation and can tell that there's indeed a >redundancy/data

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Gnerating visualisations from a set of OSM XML files.

On 2 March 2017 7:07:21 PM GMT+00:00, Peter Mooney wrote: >Hello everyone, > >At the Dept of Computer Science here in Maynooth University I currently >have two undergraduate students working with me on an internship >project. >One of the key tasks in this project is to

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap merchandise

On 30/01/2017, Paul Johnson wrote: > Do we have any cycling shirts or t-shirts available for sale? Wouldn't > mind wearing one while I'm doing surveys out on my bike. And I'm looking for an OSM beany hat to hide my balding head on 360 survey photos :p Plenty of "custom

Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

On 1 January 2017 06:32:53 GMT+00:00, Russ Nelson <nel...@crynwr.com> wrote: >moltonel 3x Combo writes: > > While this is only an anecdotal result, there are clearly a lot more > > spawns on this walk than in the surrounding area (I regularly get > > 10-15 spawns on th

Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

On 30 December 2016 18:50:17 GMT+00:00, Paul Johnson wrote: >What's the elevator pitch for Kort? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kort_Game It's a gamified way to edit osm, which is good but unlikely to attract non-OSMers. I'd like something that is more geared

Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

On 30 December 2016 14:45:54 GMT+00:00, Paul Johnson wrote: >I had a related theory that's pretty much what Google was using Ingress >for >last year. Lost to the ethers is where I theorized in a group hangout >for >the local Ingress community that the POIs entered as

Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

For what it's worth, I tested the hypothesis that Go uses OSM by walking http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/142843552. It's a highway=footway inside a leisure=park, which I added in OSM years ago and still isn't in Google, Bing, ESRI, or HERE (they do have the rest of the town mapped). This town is

Re: [OSM-talk] Working with lat and long simply

On 11 September 2016 04:50:06 GMT+01:00, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: >But there is no way to make a single click on a house and get two >figures of latitude and longitude to the clipboard, or in a popup >message box for copying. Not of a middle of the screen, not as

Re: [OSM-talk] Go Map!: Mobile mapping on iOS

On 26 July 2016 13:39:31 GMT+01:00, Aun Johnsen wrote: >I have used GoMap!! since I hooked with the beta (under a different >name to begin with). I have had some feedback to Bryce that have been >incorporated. He have listened to the community for ideas, making the >app

Re: [OSM-talk] Go Map!: Mobile mapping on iOS

On 26 July 2016 13:39:31 GMT+01:00, Aun Johnsen wrote: >I have used GoMap!! since I hooked with the beta (under a different >name to begin with). I have had some feedback to Bryce that have been >incorporated. He have listened to the community for ideas, making the >app

Re: [OSM-talk] Viewing pre-redaction OSM tiles?

On 15/07/2016, Rory McCann wrote: > On 14/07/16 20:49, Michał Brzozowski wrote: >> I would swear I saw a page doing exactly that (with a comparison slider). >> The reason is I suspect that some website uses old cc-by-sa OSM data >> (due to its nature, with their own updates)

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 12 July 2016 08:46:08 GMT+01:00, Steve Doerr wrote: >On 12/07/2016 00:23, Dave F wrote: > >> This system [...] doesn't work in the real world. > >It's apparently used in Mongolia as of this month. So the proof of the >pudding . . . People have different criterias

Re: [OSM-talk] Bicycle GPS traces - more opendata

On 27 April 2016 12:20:04 GMT+01:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> so if you >> filter out traces that go faster than ~35km/h or consistently slower >> than ~10km/h, you should have bicycle traces. > >unfortunately the timestamps are not always reliable, as some people

Re: [OSM-talk] Bicycle GPS traces - more opendata

On 25/04/2016, John Whelan wrote: > could the cycling fraternity come up with a process to > store this type of data as open data? Have you tried using OSM's existing trove of traces ? There's no metadata to say wether it was a bicylcle ride or something else, but most

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] State of the Map 2016 call for sessions - Thinking of suggesting a townlands lighting talk...

On 22/04/2016, Dave Corley wrote: > I was planning on submitting a full talk on it, instead of a lightening > talk. There's a lot to cover Maybe we could collaborate on GoogleDoc or similar to write the talk ? ___ Talk-ie mailing

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Landuse

Landuse is a bit tricky in OSM because it has a large part of subjectivity. The residential/retail/commercial/industrial split is a common issue. How wide does a street need to be before we stop including it in the landuse ? How all-encompassing should landuse=farmland be ? Should we have lots of

Re: [OSM-talk] [BOT] [RFC]: water surfaces

On 5 April 2016 16:18:53 GMT+01:00, Greg Morgan >In my case, you'll have to provide more context here. I look at OSM >Inspector and Keep Right and see all these broken things. That is a >beautiful discovery. Mappers are trying to improve the map that is >very >much a human endeavor and

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On 29 March 2016 21:20:01 GMT+01:00, Tom Hughes wrote: >On the flip side who is included by IRC that is excluded by Slack? One big downside with slack-like mediums is the need to sign up and setup. Compared to irc where you can join in no questions asked, even anonymously if

Re: [OSM-talk] [BOT] [RFC]: water surfaces

On 23/03/2016, Frank Villaro-Dixon wrote: > Maybe it's an higher priority, but that doesn't interest me. If someone > wants to, good for them. Fair enough, we all have different priorities. > Now, the lower priority 'redundant tag deleting' > is still needed, and if it

Re: [OSM-talk] [BOT] [RFC]: water surfaces

On 22/03/2016, Pierre Béland wrote: > This is a good proposition to look at unclosed polygons and see if a > potential incorrect keys to fix. > > I agree with others that using a Bot is not a safe way to handle these > problems. Could a script to extract such unclosed polygons

Re: [OSM-talk] [BOT] [RFC]: water surfaces

On 22/03/2016, Frank Villaro-Dixon wrote: > On 16-03-22 10:23:51, Nicolás Alvarez, wrote 1.2K characters saying: >> >>> El 22 mar 2016, a las 10:10, Frank Villaro-Dixon >>> escribió: >>> >>> # First goal: >>> First goal is quite simple. The idea is

Re: [OSM-talk] Global high-resolution model of relief

On 16 March 2016 18:05:12 GMT+00:00, clustergis wrote: >In the ClusterGIS association (http://clustergis.org) we have made a >global >model of relief of high-resolution (15m/px), in geotiff format. > >Data can be downloaded from the page http://theearthsrelief.com with CC

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Problems with the irish boundaries preset and josm

A new stable version of josm has been released (version 9900, https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Changelog). So if you are following stable versions and haven't changed anything else, you'll see that the townland preset doesn't recognize existing MP relations anymore (it only offers to create a

Re: [OSM-talk] OsmAnd financially rewarding mappers

On 03/03/2016, Richard wrote: >> Even without talking about nefarious schemes, even well-meaning users >> will tend to change their mapping behavior because of this. In this >> case it's about uploading more often, potentially making changes >> harder to follow. > > imho it

Re: [OSM-talk] OsmAnd financially rewarding mappers

On 03/03/2016, Marc Gemis wrote: > My point is that it might attract people that just upload data without > any benefit to OSM (wrong data or data that is added in many > changetsets (because that determines the ranking) instead of 1, as you > would normally do.. > You can

[OSM-talk-ie] Problems with the irish boundaries preset and josm

Hi all, there's currently a problem with the irish boundaries preset and josm, depending on your version of josm. The current version of the preset has been tweaked to work better with recent josm versions, but that change breaks josm-stable (9329) and earlyer. There doesn't seem to be a way to

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 80, Issue 1

Hi Brian, sorry I didn't answer even to your private message until now. I'm very much for the scan and donate option. I'd be happy to help with the labor-intensive scan/upload/rectify tasks but I have no clue where to get the hardware for the first step ? -- Vincent Dp

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Glanagow Power Station

On 04/11/2015, Colm Moore wrote: > In this changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35086504 > In tweaking / adding o the power station, I inadvertently deleted the power > station itself (Way 263812982). Way and relation restored.

Re: [OSM-talk] Terms of Use Issue? - MapMyRide

On 28/09/2015, Mike Thompson wrote: > Ian, Hans, > > Thanks. I will write them an email this evening. Complying with the OSM copyright just requires attribution, but complying with the Google TOS is more complicated, because you can't use Google's API (javascript library)

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

On 23/09/2015, henk van der laan wrote: > Now I'm really getting confused. osm-carto is the current version and > gsoc the new one, right? There's been a tremendous amount of discussion, feedback, a tweaks about this change: *

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Ireland EEZ boundary

On 22/09/2015, Stephen Roulston wrote: > Yes, sorry about that :( > > I automatically thought that such a short list is bound to be wrong. I was > very embarrassed to see the posting later. No worries, it was quick to redo and it showcased the problems that the old EEZ caused

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Ireland EEZ boundary

On 20/09/2015, moltonel 3x Combo <molto...@gmail.com> wrote: > Done: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34148691 Reuploaded in http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34157957, as Stephen mistakenly undid the changes when he encountered an upload conflic while working

Re: [OSM-talk] A big debate about OSM quality in Strava community

On 18 September 2015 17:21:07 GMT+01:00, John Doe wrote: >Interesting debate about the recent adoption of OSM: >http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/09/strava-users-remain-frustrated-by-switch-from-google-maps-to-openstreetmap/ Same story happened a while ago when a geocaching

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Ireland EEZ boundary

On 18/09/2015, Colm Moore wrote: > You will probably find that there is a statutory instrument that defines > much of the EEZ boundaries. Yes, the corresponding document and points can be found at http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2014/si/86 and its title is tagged on

[OSM-talk-ie] Ireland EEZ boundary

Hi, the EEZ boundary is a maritime exclusive economic zone. It is mapped as relation 4121287 in OSM: http://localhost:8111/import?url=http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/4121287/full (using a josm/mercator remote-control link instead of a website link because the website is likely to

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

On 15/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > thing is, a dismantled railway has no end_date, it only has a start_date and > will continue to be a dismantled railway, till the end of time Yes. On 15/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

On 14/09/2015, EthnicFood IsGreat wrote: > I guess we're asking that an exception to the "verifiable features only" rule > be made for these features. IMHO the exception that you are asking for is not to the "verifyable only" rule but to the "presently existing"

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

On 12 September 2015 22:55:07 GMT+01:00, Russ Nelson <nel...@crynwr.com> wrote: >moltonel writes: > > Still, I'd like to add one reason: none of the other tags you > > mentioned have such a vehement, uncompromising, relentless champion > >There is no "compromise&q

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

On 12 September 2015 20:02:31 GMT+01:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: >Hi, > >On 09/12/2015 08:16 PM, Colin Smale wrote: >> Respect to Russ for standing up for his principles in the face of all >> this bullying. > >Well, to be fair, what you call "bullying" is mostly people

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

On 12 September 2015 03:26:40 GMT+01:00, Russ Nelson wrote: >If you *don't* do this, then your true opinion will be revealed that >you are in fact okay with people adding railway=abandoned to >highway=track, and you're just wasting everybody's time on the mailing >list by

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

TL;DR: argument repeat, sorry. On 09/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> OSM is map of the current state of the world - not map >> of the world how it was yesterday, 10 years ago or five thousands ago. > > Nobody is advocating to map the past, what is discussed is

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 09/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Am 09.09.2015 um 13:14 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo <molto...@gmail.com>: >> >> Martin, have a look at http://osm.org/go/Zc9j8qfSV-?m (near Russ's >> most recent example) and tell me how this s

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

On 08/09/2015, Fabian Schmidt wrote: > On 09/08/2015 12:16 AM, Dave F. wrote: >> I fail to understand why railways are singled out as a special case. If >> roads, buildings or woods get demolished, they get deleted. > > please have a look at the tag definition

Re: [OSM-talk] old_name

On 08/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Am 08.09.2015 um 17:58 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo <molto...@gmail.com>: >> >> It would >> be a silly thing to do, as these names definitely are not a current >> property of Dublin. >

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

On 08/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Am 08.09.2015 um 13:58 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : >> >> Historical data should not be added and if present - removed. > > what do you mean with "historical data", where do you draw the line? What > about

Re: [OSM-talk] old_name

On 08/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Am 08.09.2015 um 14:46 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : >> But I would not add old_name that is currently completely unused. > > there's one area where old names will be used for sure: old documents, > books,

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

On 07/09/2015, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > 2015-09-07 13:36 GMT-03:00 Maarten Deen : >> On 2015-09-07 17:31, Russ Nelson wrote: >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/abandonedrails/permalink/1044885352211646/ >> >> >> It's on facebook and I have to log

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

On 07/09/2015, Russ Nelson wrote: > We need an authoritative statement that says that deleting abandoned > railroads is vandalism, and that people who do so in spite of being > warned not to, will be banned from the project. Please stop the name-calling. Two contributors

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 02/09/2015, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote: > On 02/09/15 11:30, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: >> I always understood that land property was out of scope for OSM. Do >> you know of any osm data which records property ? > > So I should remove all the detail on >

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 02/09/2015, Colin Smale wrote: > Are you suggesting that parcel boundaries have no place in OSM, or that > only verifiable sources should be used? Suppose there was a suitably > licensed source of such boundaries, with authoritative provenance. Would > you be against

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 02/09/2015, Russ Nelson wrote: > Too bad for that guy that he didn't check OpenStreetMap first, because > there was an abandoned railroad mapped in his back yard. Lots of former railway land is now privately owned, sometimes even before the rails get removed. So the fact

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 02/09/2015, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote: > On 02/09/15 12:56, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: >> Sorry, I see residential areas, hedges, postcodes, etc, overall a well >> maped area with usefull detail, but nothing mapping land property ? I >> never suggested tha

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 02/09/2015, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: > We can map barriers and visible dividing marks, but land ownership has > massive privacy and data protection issues. In many countries, the geometry of land parcels is public data. Not "this bit of land is owned by Phil

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 02/09/2015, Colin Smale wrote: > I see two separate issues getting mixed up: firstly, what types of data > "belong" in OSM as a matter of principle, and secondly what quality > criteria would apply. Clearly for the second point the data needs to be > suitably licensed

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

On 31/08/2015, Christoph Hormann wrote: > I would be careful here - 'dirt' is essentially a very vague term which > probably originates from the concept of 'dirt roads' here. 'Soil' in > the other hand is fairly precise, see > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil > > Only

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto v2.34.0 release

On 30/08/2015, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Is man_made=bridge meant to be used on ways that represent disused bridges such as railways where all the track has been removed? Meant to be used on any bridge. It gives the shape of a bridge, as opposed to the highway(s) that it supports.

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

Sorry in advance, this mail just rehases arguments that I made before, but it seemed polite to reply. On 29/08/2015, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: moltonel 3x Combo writes: One can often assert that something was here even when nothing is left of that thing. And is nothing is left

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 27/08/2015, Andy Townsend ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: Back in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2015-August/073669.html I had a look at what caused the current flurry of discussion. Part of the line in question was deleted by a mapper new to OSM; it was their second and last

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 27/08/2015, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I believe we're talking about abandoned railroad rights of way that still mark the landscape, not something that no longer has a trace. No : Russ Nelson nelson at crynwr.com wrote Thu Aug 20 05:12:49 UTC 2015 Here's a perfect example of

Re: [OSM-talk] Preserving History ...

On 25/08/2015, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: But in general if you want to map from scratch, make a new layer, map, merge layers, replace geometry, done, history retained and you mapped from scratch. I wonder if JOSM could do that automatically. Before uploading, JOSM would look at

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 25/08/2015, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a railway enthusiast, but I do recognize the important role they play in the development and landscape of the US and probably other countries. I really appreciate those who map in-use, disused and abandoned railways, thank you

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 24/08/2015, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: cycle.travel's rendering is 1300 lines of CartoCSS, 1400 of .mml, 300 lines of Lua preprocessing, and 350 lines of Ruby/PostGIS postprocessing. Of this, the code required to show only operational railways is 100 characters - a

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 24/08/2015, Balaco Baco balacob...@imap.cc wrote: buildings are usually replaced much faster than maps are expected to last, and the work of updating it twice, once for the empty space, dem. building and the future new building outline is better done only one time. It's nice to avoid

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 23 August 2015 01:27:54 GMT+01:00, Balaco Baco balacob...@imap.cc wrote: What we need is a database that already has all the data and simply identify when some small elements of it cease to be current. In OSM we do that by deleting the small elements ;) I'm sorry. But this is just a

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 22 August 2015 22:07:20 GMT+01:00, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: BUT OHM has avoided importing all of the existing material. Manually adding all that again is a pointless exercise. What we need is a database that already has all the data Yes (or find a way to constantly merge

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 23/08/2015, Balaco Baco balacob...@imap.cc wrote: I don't think so. Wrong data happens to Bing Maps, to Google Maps and probably to any other map we can obtain, electronically or in a paper. Maps have dates attached to them - or should have, most of the time. The fact is that: if I browse

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

On 23/08/2015, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 8/23/2015 2:03 PM, Dave F. wrote: Are you saying if a building gets demolished replaced with a new one, you wouldn't remove the original outline from OSM? In my case, I've begun to do just that, adding a note to alert the 'Bing tracers' that

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 23/08/2015, mick bare...@tpg.com.au wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 00:09:43 +0100 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: Do people actually do this ? It sounds like a strawman argument to me. I do a fair bit of walking and cycling, and when planing a trip I look at the global topographic

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 22/08/2015, John Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: So, if you are looking for a route without steep grades, a former railway is a natural choice. Do people actually do this ? It sounds like a strawman argument to me. I do a fair bit of walking and cycling, and when planing a trip I look at

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 21/08/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 20.08.2015 um 14:59 schrieb Pieren pier...@gmail.com: where is the railway here ? were are the rails ? there aren't any rails, but there is a railbed, this cutting wouldn't make sense for a cycleway, would it? (inappropriate

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 20/08/2015, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: moltonel 3x Combo writes: But it's equally annoying and tiring to repeatedly encounter the ludicrous kind of railway=abandoned, Then tag it as railway=dismantled. You won't find me defending incorrect tagging of anything

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 20/08/2015, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: moltonel 3x Combo writes: The demolished: prefix only makes sense when there is something left of the former feature, typically rubble (useful for example to alert boattripers of the hazard). When there is nothing left in reality

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 19/08/2015, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: 98% of the history that we are looking to manage properly is currently existing in OSM. All that is needed is to add start dates to the bulk of the existing data. What do you do when a road gets upgraded, widened, straightened, renamed, or

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 20/08/2015, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: moltonel writes: When they show up, we can have a discussion. In the meantime, I'm here, and many other mappers map abandoned and dismantled railways, and we would like to NOT HAVE YOU FRICK WITH OUR STUFF. Please don't shout and curse

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 18/08/2015, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Serge Wroclawski writes: TIGER wasn't what I was referring to. Please don't speak on my behalf. Very well. Feel free to point to anything anywhere that people are afraid to delete. I want to see 1) something that obviously doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 18/08/2015, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/08/2015 10:48 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: On 17/08/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 17.08.2015 um 02:39 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: * A broken bridge with just a few meters left on both

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 18/08/2015, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: On 18/08/15 13:04, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Remember that deleted osm objects *are* kept in the osm history and can even be undeleted (finding the old object id is currently a pain, but I certainly hope that this'll become easyer someday

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

On 16/08/2015, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-08-16 15:27 GMT+02:00 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com: landuse=forest does not imply the area is completely tree covered. Note that in typical usage it means exactly this. Maybe original intention was for that tag was to mean

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 17/08/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 17.08.2015 um 02:39 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: * A broken bridge with just a few meters left on both riverbanks I surely wouldn't have removed this one. Isn't this a significant feature to many people

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

On 16/08/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: which landuse is good for an area where trees have just been logged and will soon be planted again? landuse=forest, which I've always reasoned of as being landuse=forestry :) Which landuse value is suitable for an area where

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

On 17/08/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 17.08.2015 um 11:20 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: Probably landuse=forestry and landcover=trees would be a good idea and I would support such proposal. how do you suggest to put names? On locality nodes?

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

On 17/08/2015, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/08/2015 7:20 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: In that case it is perfectly OK to do not edit map and keep it as it was The problem with that is that the map will be wrong for 5-15 years (depending on what kind of trees are being grown). I

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 16/08/2015, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: What everybody can see is a clearing or change in the surface of something. That's fine to map. Inferring from that that there must have been a railway there is a step too far. We are mappers, not trappers.

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 16/08/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: it really depends, this is an example for an abandoned railway where reading the traces is quite easy, and which is tagged (IMHO correctly) as abandoned railway in osm:

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