her natural or managed landcover. We can
define landuse=park, but that park can have a lot of detail contained
within it ... We are looking to render blocks of trees, grass, and other
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> On 30/10/17 10:37, Lester Caine wrote:
>> What
>> I'm looking at here is reports of fly tipping, dog mess, and so on;)
>
> <https://osm.fixmystreet.com/around?latitude=52.949211;longitude=-1.14391=1>
>
> However, note
d bandwidth which WAS running a UK mirror, but the software
had not been updated in some years and OSRM was no longer working, so I
need to reinstate that. I will have a look at the github setup ... I'm
only looking to mirror the UK but include Ireland in that until the
great wall of brexit appear
ng is a clean set of guidelines for using any
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the higher level is what is
>> missing?
>
> Would a site relation help?
The way relations currently work ... no it's still not the right answer.
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ygiene link. We then define
lookups from ref:xxx to the secondary dama on each of those database ...
I don't think we need to add fhrs:authority everywhere. It's inherited
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eparate objects where that is necessary
and it would be nice if the larger operations such as Rugby School
helped with detailed campus maps as many of the collage and university
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If I add the names then the rendering becomes messy which is why I only
added the house number.
And I must update the postbox collection times ... that change some time
back :( ... but if those details were pulled from a secondary source ...
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listed? Not sure how OSMAND is holding data, but a search on
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fails ... this is not really even a 'post' problem, just finding directions.
> On 2017-10-19 1
On 19/10/17 15:30, Colin Smale wrote:
> It appears they don't even know/understand their own address... The post
> town is not Ebbsfleet but Swanscombe.
Not according to Royal Mail ;) But then that is no proof either, except
that is where post will be delivered by them.
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> On 19/10/2017 12:04, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 19/10/17 11:35, Adam Snape wrote:
>>> Doesn't its location within the UK make an explicit UK tag unnecessary?
>> But when reading a single object tags do you know just where it is? Som
is correct. I'm sure
manually top level sorting post, the post person will be looking at the
postal town rather than the postcode, but on automated machines then
only the name and postcode are relevant.
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SHOULD be a freely available database that council tax payers have
financed and councils are required to keep up to date. But it's a
chargeable resource to use :(
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allow all higher level data to be accessed in a simple data read ...
something relational databases are good at.
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ich Wikipedia articles does this object
> represent, and offer some likely candidates, but it shouldn't be
> automatic. I think Mapbox was working on something like that?
There are many lists of data which I now expect to appear in wikidata.
If THAT is appropriate is not a question to answer here, b
t are doing the
processing. The annoying thing here is that the hierarchy of places that
wikidata provides could be useful to OSM searches ... but it still needs
the likes of Nominatim and/or GeoNames to cross reference that data
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that overlays
that, so OSM only needs to use the wikidata namespace for all of that
material. I don't think that the idea of 'bot' space actually fits into
that model as it is the unique ID that is fixed and 'bot' tags either
need to be accessible in 'mapping' space, or remain in the se
lot of corrections made to get the right 'set' of data on a school
object. While only a small number of objects were actually wrong, that
is enough to justify needing a manual cross check of some sort.
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should probably have an object for that with links to Highgate cemetery
and OSM could have a complete set of all gravestones on the site, or
link to an external copy of that list.
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as birth, death and activity locations that
overlay all the objects I'm working with. Premises listed on the UK
national census are a typical fairly reliable source I'm working with
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as the NSG's update reports adding new streets
and changes to location hierarchy. But I should prefer that this layer
is part of OSM rather than a third party service.
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why I think
'another' cross-reference tool may be more appropriate with OSM and
wikipedia/wikidata simply being sources. THAT requires OSM to have a
'unique id' one can use to cross reference though :(
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g the default desktop view)
AH - so it's stripped when you grab a printed copy of the article :(
There may be a link to Wikimedia Commons material, but not to wikidata
material in external links ... that is where I expected to find it ;)
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On 27/09/17 16:48, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> On 27 September 2017 at 16:06, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> While it is not yet complete, in what way is Wikdiata failing to be
>>> sufficiently reliable?
>>
>> Much of the work I did on wikipedi
On 27/09/17 14:40, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> On 27 September 2017 at 14:28, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> wikidata provides a section which documents a range of LINKS which
>> identify the same object on other databases. It would be nice if there
>>
me a more
reliable source of such data. Just a single link to a substantial set of
additional data.
So ... where does 'brand:' come from? Should this not simply be 'link:'?
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to find the right location to see what data was in OSM for
the collage and some material that has not yet made it into wikidata
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d dedicated sat nav did a good job as well as handling hands free
calls on the N900 mobile. Modern options are going down hill fast and
can't even do the basics! Simple reception of a signal would be nice to
have once again ...
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for UK rural areas - and get my blue motorway, green trunk and red
primary road back :)
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s to a halt. Stratford is just as bad and the new roads planned
will make things even worse rather than helping. We don't stand much
chance of designing a harmonized routing process when the planners can't
even fix the problems they create :(
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. what it should be using is a percentage,
so 5% would be tidy and 10% pushing where a traffic camera would be
'within tolerance'. Since speedometers are only required to be 'within
10%' currently ... you get the idea ;)
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>> called differently, but this is it:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:practical
>>
> Isn"t that going to be rather subjective?
And will depend on 'time of day' ;)
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route but then avoids the M5 as well :) Interesting ...
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ting
that gives problems, other routing engines are showing similar detours
around local 'shortcuts' ... so even within a single country
harmonization is a problem ...
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a country or area need to cover the differences that apply
in that area? Just as the routing rules need to know France is Left Hand
and UK is Right ... with different default speed limits.
> Le mar. 22 août 2017 à 11:16, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk
> <mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk>&
epend on why you are using the road? Things like 'speed_limit' need to
be handled before adding another 'classification' tag?
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ally in the base dataset - something which the majority
of users seems to have decided against :(
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he interface is essentially :en and requires
each word translated to the alternate language, so a clean set of :en
values makes that consistent world wide, while the 'name' element lacks
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comment against 'name' being what I would consider a rule and the one I
described ... except it misses the problem of case.
< trim out of place stuff and sig should never be quoted! >
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appropriate to retain in OSM and the evolution of things like names are
simply part of that.
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Not sure that there has been much progress with that.
The open rail data is probably a source that we can use today,
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> On 22/04/2017 15:45, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 22/04/17 15:28, Dave F wrote:
>>> As they're parameters, the format can be standardised for the end user &
>>> any programme should be able to sort out syntax behind the scenes.
>> Totally ag
een languages ...
> On 22/04/2017 15:45, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 22/04/17 15:28, Dave F wrote:
>>> As they're parameters, the format can be standardised for the end user &
>>> any programme should be able to sort out syntax behind the scenes.
>> Totally ag
hem to take box="w,s,e,n" as an alternative input. But
the range of 'standards' for passing parameters is the problem here not
simply what is being passed. With each OS and programming language
having it's own style of working there is simply to many variables to
create a single stand
idea what the tool is supposed to do :)
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On 30/03/17 19:47, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 30/03/17 18:38, Lester Caine wrote:
>> Kind regards, Lester Caine
>
> *I* did not sent that email! Which is why it has another email address
> since forging my own would fall fowl of my spf record!
OK anybody know who to repor
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> Kind regards, Lester Caine
*I* did not sent that email! Which is why it has another email address
since forging my own would fall fowl of my spf record!
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On 12/01/17 10:07, Mark Goodge wrote:
> 1. The entire building is "Evesham Town Hall".
Mark - I have the same problem showing access to the Shopmobility office
on the top floor of the car park ;)
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> FWIW, I like the "-scape" suffix, e.g. OpenStreetscape:
Get's my vote Capital 'S' though OpenStreetScape
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the android phone, something that is becoming
worse rather than better. Even driving down the M5 I get gaps in
reception, so everything has to be local, which OSMAnd does a good job
of for most things ... just not B/unclassified roads :(
Docker is yet another infrastructure tool to get ones head arou
leave working systems alone ...
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> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk
> <mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> On 02/11/16 00:57, john whelan wrote:
> > If OSMand etc treat them differently then we may not be show
simply wrong for the UK!
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ically accessible, but
http://www.bitboost.com/ref/international-address-formats/united-kingdom/
is a good summary. Just missing the primary and secondary Building Name
where flats are located within one of a number of buildings on a single
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to have it's own 'level' tag.
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l". We can of course perform a service by reporting typos back.
There are a substantial number of mistakes in the schools data. In these
cases the OSM data is more accurate, but it would be nice if there was a
consistent way of notifying these errors back to the original source.
s' sign, but one would not remove
it from the map, only add the restriction. The ramblers are probably the
best for pushing the boundaries on just what are RoW and border line
cases ;) But even on the ground, access rights are often not obvious.
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rates that paid for building the NSG (National Street Gazeteer),
I see no reason that should not be downloadable data.
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raffic, they will
reopen again once work is completed. Simply wiping an area and starting
again with a clean sheet is losing useful material which HAS been fully
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data! But that is why I say some element of local knowledge
to tidy up the detail is essential.
Switching to osm and looking, the buildings need reworking anyway but a
correct boundary needs local input ... the OS one is simply wrong.
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> On 04/08/16 19:13, Christian Ledermann wrote:
>> If the consensus is that schoolgrounds which consist only of a single
>> polygon (without holes) should be rather mapped as a closed way I can
>> change this
>
> The vast major
S work a lot
better than this example!
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multiple sites, each campus tends to have it's own name
and often a different edu ref. The relation should only come in to join
campuses that form the one educational entity, which may well be across
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> I had a look at a few of these, and they seem to be simple shapes that
> I'd normally tag on the ways (i.e. they are multipolygons with only a
> single outer way). This seems strange to me - is it intended? Is it
> desirable?
Is this via schools.mapthe.uk ?
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> On 29/07/16 08:33, Christian Ledermann wrote:
>> As there were no objections on the talk-gb, imports mailinglist or in the
>> wiki
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_schools
>>
>> schools.mapthe.uk will go live
ped
avoiding the low quality OS shape files! I spent a lot of time ensuring
school grounds were correctly mapped in the counties I worked on ...
rather than just fixing the nodes flagged by the comparison tools.
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> How about musical notation? We could sing our parcels to their
> destinations. ;-)
Or even more radical ... just use numbers for time and location :)
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as simple as identifying the local time given some sort
of location identifier becomes unreliable when local variations of
language and custom are added in.
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oding system' for the physical location can be used to display the
raw numbers? But for readability, just as OLC does, one uses the town
and country and simply provide a GPS location limited to that area. A
bit like 'national grid' in the UK
> Cheerio John
>
> On 11 Jul 2016 2:36 pm, "Lester
re elements may be additional to the postcode itself,
so 10 characters is never enough.
Open Location Code lacks the ability to handle multi-story housing. It
only gets you to the apartment block. This is an area where OSM still
needs some more work.
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> historic and remove it from the map?
Depends what is left on the ground, but an 'end_date=' would be useful
for historic reference even if it is then deleted for other reasons.
This is an area where a better process needs to be laid down?
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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Driver and the like.
But where lakes - natural and man-made - have navigation routes through
many of the waterway tags also apply but this has been another area of
discussion to map the actual routes across the water a
leisure=marina without any agreement as to just what area that should cover.
It's the insistence that water only applies to natural elements which
just does not fit properly, and man_made=reservoir while much more
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atural=water should wrap what are quite clearly man made
waterway features just reinforces that and while the effects are small,
many parts of the world even 'coastline' is now a man made construction.
But the 'tags' list is probably the place to open a discussion on this
... not that I b
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properly ... but here is not the place to be complaining :)
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has been properly tagged. The ons
I had problems with often had no source, although NPE ones were fairly
obvious when one zoomed out.
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ooking to update the site outline to match that planning
application, but of cause the 'OS' factor comes into play :( But one can
at least pick up dates of the buildings construction from the Listed
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difficult to identify fully, at which point the building boundary may
well be the fall back 'amenity' boundary.
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ply delete
them, opting instead to push them to one side where the route was not
actually detectable ... unless they run under the school buildings :) So
is a more accurate set of data available for these?
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area within a larger building so
having the same tags for amenity and building makes perfect sense. Now
we just need the tools to add back in the links between the larger area
amenity and it's components?
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> You will also need to consider bus lanes as well.
Complicated by selective operating times and contraflow problems :)
I got caught out by that going to SOTM at Birmingham ... OSMAND was
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> OSM! In the first instance I have no intention of contributing to
> bitcoin since I think it's main reason for existence is to hid scammers
> and until that secrecy is removed ... I will not be signing up ...
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and signage, should the name:en be added and the :cy actually
the primary name :) It's interesting that adjacent schools can be 'all
English' or 'all Welsh' on their websites despite a switch between
languages being provided ...
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ce access below the shops is also at that level. trying
to show delivery drivers the correct level to use, and route disabled
visitors to the mobility centre. But just showing the layers would be a
start :)
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floor of the complex :(
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Lester Caine - G8HFL
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Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk
Rainbow
the 'education system'
but are still colleges. Have the same problem with
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/118736391 which IS a college but
obviously not a school system one.
( Must update the campus there .. I see someone extended the housing
estate to the left which I started some time back, but t
t might be able to implement fairly
> easily into P2.
While I accept that P2 is falling a little behind on things like some of
the tag templates, It is still a much better platform for new users than
Id and certainly I use it to demo editing to my client base.
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he unregulated ones around here are not schools but as I
understand it they will become more regulated as a different sector ...
just like collages.
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by edubase. Since there are some 400 nursery
entries it should be possible to tidy them up as a 'kindergarden'
entries anyway?
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cial channels :)
The ONS statistics are the official reference to population, but even
here just what is listed makes difficult reading. Some 'village'
populations cover the entire parish or ward while others may be split
between different parts of the same location. Again, no cons
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