to
manage any of that secondary data. Once one has 'website=domain' even
'phone=xxx' becomes redundant ... as does addr: ... but that is probably
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tag - disposal_point
Values
pump_out:grey (No sewage)
pump_out:black(Contains Sewage)
pump_out:bilge(May
I think one simply lives with the 'strange' messages. I don't
think that things like trying to create a relation are productive.
Although in the UK if the street gazetteer data becomes freely usable
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to be a short distance down
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/285608726 and the routing software
needs to understand the whole area of the junction rather than just the
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are difficult even to decide when there is ALSO a road going across at
90degs :) 6 roads meet offset over two or three mini-roundabouts.
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that allow all routers to be able
to rely on the one set of rules?
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. In this case
the road id provides the through_route information ... one remains on
the same road ... and the straight on road has a different one which may
just be 'minor road'.
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mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
On 27/04/15 13:17, pmailkeey . wrote:
Is the 'through route' and 'the same road' the same thing ? and does it
mean that the road number
we see the buildings, footpaths
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Bryce ... you still have to make the case for 'special cases'. There is
no reason to have two tags for many of these amenities.
That's
and
perhaps the fact that this is missing is good enough reason not to allow
the import. Particularly if the buildings removed did have addresses?
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stops, but you are right that
there does not seem to be anything actually documented for this type of
establishment.
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render confusingly with permanently located features.
Mobile catering is NOT the sort of greasy_spoon we are talking about.
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becomes an
Ixxx.yyy and all of the generic tagging can be accessed via that. We can
then more easily see what is 'managed import' over manual data. In the
case of the LINZ data for instance adding address information could be
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://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pumpout was
rejected because it was 'only for boats' or very strangely 'recycling'.
I suppose we could hook the black waste direct into the bio-digester ;)
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not
sure just what is a suitable alternative to correctly tag the facilities
I've got survey notes on for our local caravan sites ... what would have
been legal as an elsan_point in the past would probably be shut down by
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with the correct values may be a more generic solution to the problem.
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is now in French, German, English and Russian.
'dump' just sounds wrong ... disposal would be better, but
effluent_disposal_point is I think a little more generic. sanitary is
more generally related to female related disposal.
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at the outset to
help mappers outwith the British Isles, but the current suggestion
really doesnt help either.
I knew I'd seen disposal used for chemical toilets ...
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=disposal#keys
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OSM's actually global, Brian.
And other countries handle their area of the map with a lot more active
support. All we are talking about here is UK data on the UK list.
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that is simply missing or incorrect on google can be replaced
with much more accurate local views :) Certainly the paths and access to
the navigable sections of canals and rivers around here are currently
totally blank on the google version.
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of crossover between leather workers.
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wanted to build. I had
to dig down and show that we were clear of that drain ... except it was
6' further over ... right under the corner of the garage. So now there
is a wooden porch which can be taken down if they need access. Bottom
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the 'subscribed' list of accepted entries, and perhaps
indicate where an update to one tag also needs secondary tags.
One subscribes to a tag metadata mechanism which provides updates at one
of two levels ... the metadata for the tag has changed, or data related
to a particular tag has changed.
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to get to the right road.
Not sure there is an easy way to enhance the display to show the 'angle'
of the road but had a good time helped by well detailed mapping data.
Thanks to those who contributed it.
( Am looking to OSMAND as a means of creating other map displays )
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contrast - only the new one is causing difficulty -
and comments from others!
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different languages and styles can be selected.
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the adjacent buildings are
another areas that needs properly fixing! What works well for one
country and style of mapping simply fails in many others.
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rendering ...
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IS the proper
mechanism, even if not ideal. I do try and keep those down in my local area.
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established that a zoom
level should use the icon OMLY when the name is not displayed, and if
there is no icon don't just display a dot :(
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On 27 Nov 2014 09:18, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk
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Not sure your demo is proving anything. Zooming in on the area covered
by the demo on the live map I'm not seeing very much of the corruptions
Have their been
, and unless someone else gets there first I will revert
the Hayes one in line with the one the ground situation ... just can't
get JOSM running here at the moment :(
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, the origin is
still accurate and relevant on the ground.
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' if these ARE in the city of
London, or just part of the 'county' of Metropolitan London?
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... It has signposts on the ground
directing you to the town centre! Just as has been pointed out on a
number of other 'towns' in proximity to London. We map the real
situation on the ground - full stop.
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being applied without
any reference to the on the ground situation ...
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unreadable stuff against the somewhat better older style.
Your example is even worse than all the ones I've been looking at,
probably because most of them are now unreadable on my smartphone! And
even on full expansion I can't read them on a 24 monitor :(
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but
as the tile joints don't quite match, pulling the overlay a touch would
allow a lot of field and property boundaries to be added but a lot of
existing data overlies the old map exactly.
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the years, some stores
may still be in an older livery, and in my book even the capitalization
is important in that!
Flag them for checking - yes - change them without any reference to the
site - no.
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of many brands.
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would get a definitive
statement on that ...
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'documentary' tags, it's just the name tag
which is contentious here.
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be hammered out then committed once agreed ... rather than pulling
it apart in later discussions on that changeset?
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initiate.
I would probably go on to propose that grouping a large number of
similar but data wise unrelated changes be flagged as bad practice so
that elements of a change CAN be discussed better via this mechanism.
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the door to correcting any collateral damage
more easily.
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to 'dictate' what is acceptable content it should be managed
properly rather than blindly re-writing tags.
I'm not saying that the changes are wrong ... just that this is not the
right method to get things done.
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of the identified 'problems'
resulted in a message to the original editor asking them to check rather
than blindly making an executive decision that something has to be wrong :(
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, cycletrack and the like!
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Properties are grouped by the delivery area footprint covered by sorting
offices which in some areas may not align even with local ward
boundaries! There have been some examples given of different area
postcodes for different sides of a street in the past.
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documents the minefield, but does not identify who can and can't use UK
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On 06/10/14 09:26, David Woolley wrote:
On 05/10/14 22:28, Lester Caine wrote:
All achievable if the API monitors the constraints
on relations and checks that what JOSM submits is complete.
That would represent a radical change in design philosophy. At the
moment, the code behind the API
will include the state_date tag and so filtering
that can happen locally, but adding the essentially quite small amount
of historic changes is not so easy to achieve?
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does create a conflict because the relation is now broken?
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is simply adding the correct start date to already
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On 05/10/14 21:43, David Woolley wrote:
On 05/10/14 14:11, Lester Caine wrote:
Which sort of ties in with my constraints on relations.
If an edit is breaking something it's easy enough to say unable to
proceed because ... but ideally the API should be able to find a new
missing bit and add
to
obtain timezone data for OSM.
If wikidata is so open, then every tag added here should have the
reciprocal tag added there, then I'll believe it's worth using :)
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downloading yet another layer of data into the core database.
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mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
http://openstreetmap.us/iD/release/#background=Bingmap=17.00/-83.15249/36.43657
is the one I'm currently on and leaving as it's impossible
inappropriate for other, so 'challenges' should be
restricted to the areas where those rules are known to work well, rather
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On 8/24/2014 2:48 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
It's not the 'brightness - it's the compressed contrast which is has
always been the problem with iD. maproulette does not link to potlatch2
which I'd normally use when not on a system with JOSM running ...
iD
because it does not follow the
programmers arbitrarily defined rules. This is DEFINITELY not something
that should be rolled out blindly across all countries as certainly ome
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of the list on
maproulette applied to the UK and I'm sure other European countries
would feel the same? We have some very fine detail now being mapped and
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On 23/08/14 09:16, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
I object to someone telling me that a road needs 'smoothing' ... it may
well have very well mapped source data, and someone who does not know
that will be stripping data simply because it does
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On 19/08/14 17:47, OSMR wrote:
Thank you in advance for your potential participation and apologies for
the lengthy message in case you are not interested.
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crap? Anybody actually managed the whole thing?
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On 18/08/14 13:18, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
The endless rain of 2014 might though ;-)
:-)
Hit refresh, it seems to be fixed now.
Nope. Still raining outside.
Dry inside and out here ... all looking fine.
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of the planet file,
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from then. Extracting your arget area and then rendering a map from it
just follows the same process as working with the current data.
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should I at a new
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30mins to the journey.
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that is required since the
rest can be cloned from the postcode - or some other unique ID for the
related object. The structure should support this method of working and
then editors could pull up matching data where necessary.
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On 13/08/14 08:20, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 13/08/14 07:37, Lester Caine wrote:
On a slightly different tack, the tertiary road designation is more of a
problem. While not advocating 'tag for routing', this is one that is
making my own use of OSMAND almost impossible, and I can't believe
others
On 13/08/14 08:58, David Woolley wrote:
On 13/08/14 08:29, Lester Caine wrote:
rest can be cloned from the postcode - or some other unique ID for the
related object.
Only if you have purchased access to the PAF or National Gazeteer.
Capture of the former, on OSM, is patchy
there may be
several postcodes for a single identified street. It's the NSG that is
primary in defining road works locations these days.
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but it's perhaps
surprising that many objects that have their own postcode are not
currently included when that information is available in the original
sources. I've just added Ragley Hall postcode but a number of the
locations I look at Monday it was missing.
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Local Street Gazetteer and
both of these then feed into the National version. The NSG is a believe
part of 'The New Roads and Street Works Act 1991'
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/street-works-co-ordination
for some light reading ...
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some time soon
we will have open access to that information to mess things up again.
The problem is that using this much more consistent id is not something
humans will be comfortable with :(
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of 'The New Roads and Street Works Act 1991'
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/street-works-co-ordination
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that makes
up for this but given the large size of some key text it will take a
while to populate :( There are a lot of third party tools but no
coordination on managing the translation data.
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in OSM, not
one that may change when people make mistakes changing other data :)
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may be
missing here is if google is getting english-to-ukrainian wrong?
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to Bath could really do with a proper set of dual carriageways
from the M4 and going across Bristol to the M5. I frequent that area on
business quite often, and am using tertiary roads most of the time
simply to get into one side of the distruption, even before the road was
closed.
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in a different
alphabet is something that the renderer can do if required.
But this is a discussion for the international list rather than just the UK?
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copy of
what was imported.
What is available and easily accessible is growing daily ... but it does
not need to be all imported into one database :)
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nice to hear that OSM is providing a stable base to
work from, and since your own data needs to be accurate OSM benefits in
return.
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that could
be developed with data management tools that would then be usable with
other data sets such as lamp posts, post boxes, telephone distribution
cabinets and the like?
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in this case reverting was just petty ...
and that this data should be put back ...
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properly. But I've yet to get my own copy to even route
properly yet via B and 'C' roads. It takes me on a 9 mile detour going
north from here :(
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mentioned the postman walking up the street - well I
guess you could say that the walk also includes the driveway up to the front
of each house/letterbox.
Whether nominatim works or not is a search problem, not a mapping one (i.e.
not mapping for the nominatim).
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created for 'Worcestershire', but even
these are now being redirected to the 'correct' master according to
Facebook. Can anybody throw ANY light on to why they insistthat their
data is the correct view?
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the corrections have been replaced by further links to
Gloucestershire :(
Croudsourcing only works if there is someone bothering to fix the
problems ...
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