Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow Way Not Loving

Judy, I have to break my silence to compliment you on your cool thumbnail sketches! I mean it. They are delicious and so quotable. I cracked up reading them, especially the ones about Lance and G. It's good to see ourselves through the eyes of another. We are a pretty ridiculous bunch!   Deb

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow Way Not Loving

In the first sincere but light-hearted reaction to Judy's sketches, I didn't say all that I mean. Right after the laughter, I read the list again and was overcome with a tidal wave of affection--a sense of the utter dearness of all of the people mentioned below (and that isn't intended to ex

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

One line I have trouble with in the second review is: "Upon publication of this book, McLaren is going to find out who...the real Christians in his midst are." How the hell will he know? Debbie - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

I was suspecting he was going to take the other neat route: negative review of my book = not a real Christian Debbie - Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews Debb

Re: [TruthTalk] marriage

ï Sorry, I already deleted all the messages about marriage, so I'm stuck starting a new thread.   JD, I'm intrigued by your post about waiting till the 24th. I guess the point would be the participation of the believing community, since no marriage is an island. But surely God is witness to th

Re: [TruthTalk] fyi~g :: Wesley's 'perfection'

'scuse me, that's Bruce Cockburn, pls, or T.S. Eliot, or Hopkins, or at the very least Jane Kenyon. thx   Debbie   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] fyi~g ::

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Only this Message can give Assurance

ï I had this draft sitting in my Draft box, which I'll post now even though the poll has been counted. I am sure the gate to the fold is not locked yet. Paragraphs are answers to Caroline's questions.   Universal. For the whole cosmos. I think the limited atonement idea comes from a concern t

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

That is just the point. Far from demonizing the law, the love of Christ, which we who are indwelt by him should expect to begin to embody, surpasses and hence supersedes the law.   But by the same token, this law-superseding love is shown to us as well. Our failures to embody it are not a qu

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow Way Not Loving

JD wrote: In the Revelation, the "forces of evil" and the "forces of good"  are hugh.    I feel sorry for Hugh.   Debbie 

Re: [TruthTalk] Home Church Ministries

triumphs and struggles, ehhh? (Sorry, just baiting!)   I like your encouraging people to participate and minister with their gifts. Even "church church" services could give more opportunity for this. In my current church (where I don't fit very well, on many counts) the sermon has been e

Re: [TruthTalk] Stay Single Young Man

JD, bless him, has momentarily lapsed into Momspeak. Just like people never do anything naked but "run around", and radios are never merely on, they're always "blaring".   Debbie   - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesda

Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen

Took the words right out of my mouth.   Debbie - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen Would it be fair

Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen

Maybe, then, Judy, we needn't even bother to read the Bible in our own language. We could "read" it in Inuktitut and the Holy Spirit could just siphon the content into our brains without ANY of the normal means of linguistic processing.   The point being (as laid out in an earlier post) tha

Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen

tual content. They are spiritually discerned, what can a dead man understand?   Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:41:30 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Maybe, then, Judy, we n

Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen

earned to read the KJV of all versions. I'll bet with all her handicaps and lack of context, she could not get it as well as you learned theolog's. It is just that you wouldn't know it by meeting her, she was the sweetest christian lady. Debbie Sawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] More in the garden thoughts...

Izzy, I bet you were a marvellous parent. That's because (as I imagine it) your discipline always presupposed the continuation of the relationship, and your kids knew it without doubt. You never said, "Now you're not my son anymore till you say Sorry and do the chores like I told you." Right

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen

JT wrote: When I look at his picture I see a wounded boy but since the Lord doesn't break a bruised reed or quench burning flax there is hope for him -   This is about the coolest thing you have written, Judy.   Debbie

Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen

Izzy wrote: There is much truth that can be extracted from other [insert: readings of the Bible] if one is not fearful of their misunderstanding of [insert: anything].    And this is a cool thing too. As for your other message about not needing to pity people with other views of God, you are

Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen

JT wrote: If I were a betting person I would wager that Pascal's faith was the dead kind   Good thing you're not.   Debbie

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen

You mean we have to use hermeneutics even to properly understand our transparent peer, Caroline, who lives in our very own culture and time and writes in our very own language?? Drag! :-)   Hey, speaking of hermeneutics, what is all this Bulk Bulk Bulk in the subject lines? Is this because pe

Re: [TruthTalk] More in the garden thoughts...

I am tempted to say that the other reason they didn't was all that they knew of the enormousness of your love for them, but I know that's not necessarily true in all cases. People do say No, even to the most loving parents, even to the most loving God.   Glad you can continue to rejoice in yo

Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen

unto you they are SPIRIT" This is exactly why the learned have no understanding of the spiritual content. They are spiritually discerned, what can a dead man understand?   Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: FW: (no subject)]]

This cool phenomenon is well-known but nonetheless interesting. There is a lot of redundancy built into linguistic systems to maximize communication, especially at the lowest levels of structure, like spelling and phonology. I have a phonological example of this, which I won't post because i

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and th...

Hey, you must be using the same translation I am!    Debbie - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and th...

Re: [TruthTalk] Sounds and Teachings from Hell

I am not well enough informed to say anything with great confidence about this in regard to warfare with demons, but I do get the impression from Scripture that our spiritual strength is not precisely in numbers. I would agree with you there. However, it does seem that God's design is for us

Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen

Hmm. I wonder if that's true about Peter and Paul. There are many gifts, but the same Spirit. I don't know if he uses the intelligent ones more; he uses them more for certain kinds of work, I guess--the kind that requires intelligence--and you're right, they are accountable to do it. And he

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

We are all in danger of mistaking something else for God and loving it instead; you could say that this is the definition of the fallen human condition. It is not only liberals (none of whom are on TT anyway, so I hope the below wasn't aimed at anybody) who are open to this. It often seems t

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and th...

Regarding the below...yes, their relationship with Jesus (which, Izzy, involves his "indwelling presence"), shared as members of a community.   The original point, if I recall the distant beginning of this thread correctly, is not that we have less than Scripture, but that we have more than

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

No, we won't agree on a lot of things, and that's part of my point. As for honourable correction & exhortation if necessary--absolutely, Terry, and with thanksgiving! All the more as we see the Day approaching. We hear the ring of genuine love for God in the most diverse voices on TT.   OK,

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved -- Salvation -- and th...

I don't know Debbie because I'm not sure what you are saying; I believe that God supervised what is now called the canon and I accept the scriptures available to me in my generation as His Word and every bit as authoritative today as when given at Mt. Sinai.  So what is the problem here?  Do

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

It is a long story. Perhaps I'll send you an attachment off list. I did not accomplish it. (Your choice of words is telling, BTW.) God accomplished it. I have been very unclear if it seems I am trying to rule out Scripture! (I think I said not less than Scripture, but more than Scripture.) I

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk: A testimony to the power and effect of Immersion

I have gone back to your post a few times to think about and digest it, JD, and I am particularly appreciating the section below:   Debbie I see an individual reality and a corporate resulting  (a continuing action) described here in this Galatian passage.    It is something that happens

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

I am not playing.   Debbie - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard I didn't know we were in a competition. What is the goal

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

dies say physically punishing a child does more harm than good.   Love,   Caroline   - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

If all your other writings stem from an equal degree of sheer ignorance, I now know what to do with them. This is a sad surprise.   Debbie     David writes, re Caroline:  I would not want to be you when you > fall on your face before the throne of God to be judged by Jesus Christ for > the w

Re: [TruthTalk] The Jezebel Spirit

Today in the bookstore there were two little glass angels, both broken. The right wing of each had perished in the process of unpacking.   You know this is a clear political sign from God, eh.   Debbie   - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk Sent: Tu

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

Well, that would certainly be preferable to reading it after.   Are you folk down there familiar with the Monty Python sketch titled Four Yorkshiremen?   You were lucky to have an outhouse and a catalogue. We had a little clump of bushes, and used the leaves.   Debbie   - Original Mess

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

Debbie Sawczak wrote: Well, that would certainly be preferable to reading it after.   Are you folk down there familiar with the Monty Python sketch titled Four Yorkshiremen?   You were lucky to have an outhouse and a catalogue. We had a little

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

LOL! You hit the nail on the head.   D - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation As opposed to what?..Virginians with agendas

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

Hi David,   I am happy to clear this up; thanks for asking. First, I do believe I am accountable to God for how I live, but I admit that on the question of exactly when and how (and how often?) I will be called to account, my thinking is in flux. But even if I had a definite idea on that, I

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

I'm posting to this one of Bill's, below, because it contains a great example, but my reply is motivated by all the recent fury about translations and agendas and interpretation. It will likely elicit the usual reactions.   All translators must make choices all the time. That's not an opinio

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

out. God If you translate thru your powers of your flesh or if you talk of a technical manual or Ad campaign your points have weight but not with God. You view many things thru the eyes of an unbeliever. With God all things are possible.  God is able to get his very words to any man no m

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

What a perfect, relevant, and thorough example! Thank you, Bill.   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

 imagine there must still be an appreciable gap between you and perfection, yet I don't hear any sorrow or longing over that. But perhaps if I encountered you in person, I would see and hear you differently.   Debbie       - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Trut

Re: [TruthTalk] Judgment Begins at the House of God

Also, Judy, it grieves me that you would think you are taken less seriously because you are a woman. Nothing could be further from the truth, for my part.   Debbie  

Re: [TruthTalk] the document known as Seven

JD, your affirmation is most bracing. Thanks.   Debbie   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the document known as Seven See, this is what kills me abo

Re: [TruthTalk] Judgment Begins at the House of God

Judy, you're partly right: I overstated it when I said that there is absolutely no difference between "#$%& you" and "You are of your father the devil". I really meant they are potentially the same when used to express a certain attitude towards the other person and ourselves. The same in th

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] New Bible provokes gender wars

Yay!   DS - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] New Bible provokes gender wars God - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk Are we on the same page?

What I am appreciating about you, Terry, is that (unlike some) you recognize common ground when you see it.   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk Ar

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

David wrote:> > You have never met me, so what do you think you know about my character?>  Probably the same order of things you purport to know about other TT characters, David, without ever having met them. Except that, as with biblical interpretation, your surmises are (oddly) always righ

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

Hi David,   1. Why "flux": As has already been established ad nauseam, I disagree with you about biblical interpretation: I think it happens, and you don't. (Or is it that you think you always interpret aright? I forget.) You think it's possible to be certain about most everything, and I don

Re: [TruthTalk] Judgment Begins at the House of God

    On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:52:50 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy, you're partly right: I overstated it when I said that there is absolutely no difference between "#$%& you" and "You are of your father the devil&qu

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

 David writes:> Do you, Debbie, think that my character refutes my doctrine?  How?> Well, come to think of it, David, I guess you might be meeting your very own standard quite perfectly. That's something, anyway. Bravo!   Debbie

[TruthTalk] the beautiful word

The most beautiful word of all is you. This is the word of relationship, of looking into another face, of thanking, inviting, asking ("What do you mean?"), forgiving, permitting ("Of course you may"), admiring, encouraging, assigning, begging, giving ("This is for you"), serving, reaching, s

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

David, I am not understanding how you can say "sanctification is not a process", and yet that "holiness is a growth process" and that a work has been begun in you which is not yet complete.   Since I don't really know your heart, I must give the benefit of the doubt and accept that all your

Re: [TruthTalk] Judgment Begins at the House of God

David, I said (in a post I haven't seen come through yet) that I wasn't going to talk for a while, but so as not to seem to ignore you, I will point out that I am agreeing with you below. The two ways of speaking are the same in the same way (and to the same extent) that calling our brother a fo

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

Your question, Izzy, recalls one that was asked a while ago, namely, Why are we so polarized on TT? It's because we are always reacting. I think some of us conservative-type believers on TT dwell on God's love for the disobedient because we've experienced a severe neglect of this in our own

Re: [TruthTalk] Torrance

Judy, when I say "focus" I'm not talking about visualization or concentration. I'm talking about staking my life on the fact that God loves us, letting God's love be my "ground". Then that shapes how I see myself and other people. Yes, the walk is supernatural, and by faith. Thankfully, we h

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

David wrote: > But this is ultimately what we all should be looking forward to, the day > when our bodies are discarded for new ones, built in the image of Christ, > according to his new resurrected glory.    Absolutely anticipating that Day (read on below), although it's transformed that o

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Torrance

God would convert the both of them to a third point of view.   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] T

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Theologians and what is important

I agree that just about everybody is in some very important sense a theologian--in the same sense, in fact, in which everyone is a philosopher or is religious, and that this doesn't make such terms meaningless. It is good to remind people that there is not a whole lot of difference between t

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

  > Debbie wrote:>> ... it's transformed that our bodies will be, not>> "discarded".> > Good point, but doesn't transformation of this sort truly imply a discarding > of our bodies?    DS: No. Except in a somewhat strained sense of discarding "the way our bodies were". It is quite hard to e

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Theologians and what is important

suggested, it is probable that even those who wrote Scripture down did not have all of the meaning of it in their heads...   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] [

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

An honour, sir.   Debbie     - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance > Debbie, yet again, I stand corrected.  Thanks for helping me think out my > word

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

ï Congratulations, John, on the upcoming father-in-law-hood--no, it's father-in-grace, isn't it? :-)   I am confident that what you are given to say tomorrow will be a source of blessing both to others and to you. God wrap you in himself.   Debbie   - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

They take pretty good care of their lawns, houses, cars, fingernails, and RRSPs too.   I think the imminent and total destruction of the earth (according to the premil dispensationalist view) is just a convenient excuse for not doing what is really hard to do. Not caring for the earth follow

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

that Dr.(?) LaHaye received $45,000,000 for his next co-written trilogy. His great, great, great, great, great, great .grandchildren may benefit 'greatly'. - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Se

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

out to use up the alphabet! - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 01, 2005 14:19 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture Everybody ne

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

disappeared. - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture You too? We can always re

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses

Those are my people, eh. Jonathan B. Martin, whose blacksmith shop used to be on the main drag there (until he died and it was taken over by some young upstarts), was my mother's uncle. The third house on the left, when you are coming into the village from the south, was my mom's childhood (

Re: [TruthTalk] Quilt Show

Izzy, that must have been a sight to behold. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Quilt Show I just got back from helping with the taking down our biannual Thimble

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Smiles From The Bible

Who was the shortest man in the Bible? Bildad the Shuhite. My dad's (may he rest in peace) favourite Bible joke. Debbie -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do no

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

a sudden,  don't you?   Go ahead WHY? Debbie Sawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, you know why it's so quiet on TT all of a sudden,  don't you?   - Original Message - From: C

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

Here is another question that was never answered by any who were party to the conversation.   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism If I might step betw

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

About this Titus thing, Kevin, I don't see what the problem is. Is anyone suggesting it's impossible to learn about another culture so as to come to an understanding of it? No, exactly the contrary. Titus was surely amenable to such learning. (Are you?) He also had the slight advantage of li

Re: [TruthTalk] Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

By "What is your spin?" do you simply mean "What do you believe?" Just checking. I kind of remember you using "spin" negatively with reference to Watts.   Yes, people do use being human as an excuse. Humanity has been broken for so long, and the story of what we were made to be (and what we

Re: [TruthTalk] Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

6, 2005 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rikk Watts on Genesis 1     On Thu, 5 May 2005 23:14:06 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yes, people do use being human as an excuse. Humanity has been broken for so long, and the story of what we wer

Re: [TruthTalk] Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005 08:58:50 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy, I will be more blunt.   Good Debbie, it's always better to be up front and let us get to know the real you.   Dear, it has been the real me all along. Less or more blunt does

Re: [TruthTalk] New pope holds strong views about biblical scholarship

I know. First somebody says the rain is "coming down", then they say the rain is "wet". Isn't that doublespeak? They should make up their minds!   Debbie - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 11:51 AM Su

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

  On Thu, 5 May 2005 23:14:06 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: But I remember, now, that you have a very different idea of the body, and it was talked about at some length on TT not long ago. (Remember the 

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

and rest a bit before making a better attempt at responding to your messages later this weekend. Truly sorry about that.   Debbie    - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re:

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

u too hard? judyt   On Fri, 6 May 2005 19:48:52 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hey, Judy,   I see, on rereading, that I allowed irritation and impatience to strongly influence the content of my two most recent posts to this thread. I&#

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

I don't subscribe to double predestination, but I don't think Calvin's followers are idiots or deceived, at least no more than the rest of us! And probably less so. There is a great deal more to Calvinism than this. To return to a previous analogy: our careful theologies are like various c

Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions

You guys are just pretending (for fun) not to know that the word is "aspersions", right?   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions DAVEH:  Hmm...Now th

Re: [TruthTalk] May Day in the Park

IMO, this is the best piece of writing you've done on TT, Kevin. It was really interesting, and gave me a bigger window onto who you are.   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:18 PM Subj

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: How to Read

This is the key that captures the piece: working from the whole to the parts to the whole again.

Re: [TruthTalk] May Day in the Park

writer! Ruben another (Street Preacher) wrote this piece see the ending. Debbie Sawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, this is the best piece of writing you've done on TT, Kevin. It was really interesting, and gave me a bigger window onto who you are.  

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

of that tradition and I haven't seen it to the same extent among other evangelicals, at least not until very recently.    Debbie   - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Trut

Re: [TruthTalk] Reformed?

Those are the "contemporary followers of Calvin" I was describing. However, caution: there are many branches of Reformed (as there are of most Protestant traditions or superdenominations!), including some very legalistic and doctrinaire ones, and at the other end some quite liberal ones. Als

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: How to Read

I am a fan of the First Ladies Detective Agency too. I found Life of Pi highly readable and interesting, but ultimately disappointing. Raises an important philosophical issue but doesn't do so in a very satisfying way. Also, note that the edition published in the US was grossly dumbed down a

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: How to Read

Yes, that's the correct name. I've read two or three, can't remember. Yes, light but good; gently funny.   I don't know why they lopped off the first section for the US, and it is possible that in subsequent reprintings they stuck it back in, I don't know. It is not part of the actual story o

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

Izzy's stance below is an attempt to have one's cake and eat it too: to live by a system in which all truth claims must be submitted to the criterion of "proof" while at the same time exercising, about this particular truth claim, a confidence that is independent of proof.   I suppose the d

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

Separation of church and state is about a distinction between institutions, and is accomplished by the First Amendment you cite below. It is not the same thing as separation of faith (of one kind or another) and politics (a separation which is impossible in any case).   Debbie - Origi

Re: [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus?

I understand, Izzy.     Debbie   - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus? Izzy's stance below is an attempt to have one's cake and eat i

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

I never did answer the question below which was directed to me.   I don't deny any part of it, Blaine, although I should be careful about saying that, since I am sure I am not yet living in complete accordance with it all, and that is a kind of denial. I also don't profess to understand all

Re: [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus?

are just giving lip-service to the authority of that way of knowing ("proof"), and your real way of knowing is faith. We have that in common. Ultimately faith is the only way of knowing anything. (And it doesn't mean irrationality.)   Debbie    - Original Message -

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

om: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Rikk Watts on Genesis 1     On Sun, 8 May 2005 18:11:46 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[TruthTalk] motorbiking in may

praise be for the veily green haze of half-open leaves on far-off trees and John Van Wessing, still white-armed, out on a tractor in a field already; the nursery we passed: people bent over plant beds, intent, and bobbing as they pat the earth firm at the base of seedlings; pussy willow switc

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

Glad to hear about your contract, JD!   Debbie     - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 > > > > > Where does the information about

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus?

I would like to argue for both approaches. A lot depends on what circles you move in; nobody is called to salt the entire earth. If you hang out with people who do a great deal of TV- and movie-watching, so that their conversation, their metaphors and so on, arise from that, then you do need

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