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2013-08-04 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 2 Aug 2013 23:17:05 -0400: Hi, [snip] Don’t let petty jealousy distort your view of history, for we are living during a turning point in civilization unlike any that have gone before; primarily brought about by efforts and genius of John Hadjichristos.

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2013-08-04 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Axil Axil's message: Don't let petty jealousy distort your view of history, for we are living during a turning point in civilization unlike any that have gone before; primarily brought about by efforts and genius of John

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2013-08-04 Thread hohlr...@gmail.com
It might explain when he got upset when I said his theories beat Jones in quantity but not quality. :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

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2013-08-03 Thread blaze spinnaker
More than 768 million people are currently without access tohttp://www.unicefusa.org/work/water/ safe, clean, drinking water, and 2.5 billion people live without proper sanitation. This kills nearly 4,000 children each day, according to UNICEF. Something which can generate cheap, excess thermal

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2013-08-03 Thread blaze spinnaker
I will say one thing about John though, he writes Sci Fi. That's cool and I could see the possibility that he's secretly been thinking about all of this in his spare time. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:16 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: More than 768 million people are currently

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2013-08-03 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 3, 2013 1:55 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, all you need

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2013-08-03 Thread Peter Gluck
This is not the Salk vaccine it is not a finished product, R D needs great money. Welfare does not work, socialism does not work, this is the standard capitalism method, the unique effective and efficient one. What do you think about Google, Apple, or any other successful company? We live in a

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2013-08-03 Thread Axil Axil
You must have made a bet to make some BIG money; possibly a strategy to increase your odds? I doubt that you are interested in the poor and dirty masses. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 2:16 AM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: More than 768 million people are currently without access

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2013-08-03 Thread David Roberson
. It is my hope that the pricing for these devices will be low enough to make their usage a no brainer. Dave -Original Message- From: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 3, 2013 2:16 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats

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2013-08-03 Thread Axil Axil
You implore a company to give their product away and in the next breath, you make fun of them. That is not a effective way to advance your request. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 2:23 AM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: I will say one thing about John though, he writes Sci Fi. That's

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2013-08-03 Thread David Roberson
Axil, Blaze might just be having fun pulling your chain. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 3, 2013 2:37 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog You implore a company to give

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2013-08-03 Thread Axil Axil
You should do more reading and less taking. You do not know let alone understand Defkelions business plan. They are an RD company who support the various implementation of their various systems. But this factoid matters little when your intent is to lay yet another cheap shot onto Defkalion and

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2013-08-03 Thread Axil Axil
-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 3, 2013 2:37 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog You implore a company to give their product away and in the next breath, you make fun of them. That is not a effective way to advance your request. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 2:23 AM

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2013-08-03 Thread Axil Axil
All the isotopes that work have 0 spin(high PNC) and the ones that don't have non zero spin(low PNC). Look up parody non conservation(PNC) in nuclear theory to understand why this is important in the LENR reaction. PS- and important clue that you don't want to believe in. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013

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2013-08-03 Thread blaze spinnaker
Hey, I like Sci Fi. Why do you think that's making fun of them? My point is, if they're real and 'Noble', they'd patent their work and disclose it. They'd still be very right. The fact is, they didn't invest zillions of dollars here doing RD. Nor was it exactly John Hadjichristo's life's

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2013-08-03 Thread Axil Axil
I am sure that if your advice is the best policy for them, they will take your advice. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 3:09 AM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Hey, I like Sci Fi. Why do you think that's making fun of them? My point is, if they're real and 'Noble', they'd patent

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2013-08-03 Thread Alain Sepeda
All that thread seems based on misconception, misunderstanding, as it is often when reasonable people argue for long and cannot reconcile their position... First of all I disagree with you position of belief, I'm french, not american, so it is a bit cultural... I suspect that you trust , like I'm

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2013-08-03 Thread Daniel Rocha
Peter, While I agree that this is not a finished product, there are dangerous obstacles that are of political nature, even putting aside all monetary issues related to Defkalion. This is a product that will mess up with many powerful entities and an unfinished product will not help anyone. And,

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2013-08-03 Thread Daniel Rocha
You cannot say what they have and neither that they are not concerned with peoples lives. You cannot even say that Defkalions product would soon save peoples lives with desalination methods, since their lack of potable water are also related to completely different political reasons. 2013/8/3

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2013-08-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 2:27 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Any bolts, or other steel pieces nearby would be drawn to the box and I find it difficult to believe that this would not be detected. Nearby has to be very nearby. I have worked with many N45 NeFeB magnets (1.25 T),

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2013-08-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: All the isotopes that work have 0 spin(high PNC) and the ones that don't have non zero spin(low PNC). Look up parody non conservation(PNC) in nuclear theory to understand why this is important in the LENR reaction. PS- and

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2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:03 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The harm is not they don't meet expectations. The harm is that they provide no explanation whenever they fail to meet expectations. Playing with

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2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Creating expectations which you fail to meet to _without explanation_ is also bad public relations. It is bad because they have insulted the public. Yes, and yes. But Defkalion

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:25 PM, DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: I doubt that isotopically enriched material (other than perhaps H 2) is needed. In the real world, you just make your sample larger. I doubt there is much if any of an isotope effect. This one says to me, red herring.

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2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 2:39 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:03 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The harm is not they don't meet expectations. The harm is that they provide

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2013-08-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Saying nothing is not the same as saying it did not happen or it happened in other ways you cannot imagine. 2013/8/2 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com That is not clear. I mean separates dates for each occasion. In June 2011 we were told that the Greek Government would certify their device by

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2013-08-02 Thread Alain Sepeda
by the way, Defkalion clearly stated, with visible acrimony, that the Greek government put them administrative obstacles instead of helping them... maybe is it part of the story... 2013/8/2 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Saying nothing is not the same as saying it did not happen or it

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2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
It would be ironically tragic if the guy who has spent the best part of his life supporting cold fusion and then LENR, did not recognize the personification of his goal when it was placed in front of him. It would be an even bigger tragedy if he fought against his goal’s realization. I cannot

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2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
when and where did they clearly state this? Harry On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: by the way, Defkalion clearly stated, with visible acrimony, that the Greek government put them administrative obstacles instead of helping them... maybe is it part

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2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
I can imagine lots of things. Are they afraid to explain because they fear people won't believe and/or accept their explanation? Harry On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Saying nothing is not the same as saying it did not happen or it happened in other

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Saying nothing is not the same as saying it did not happen or it happened in other ways you cannot imagine. Stop making excuses for Defkalion. What they did was rude. It was an inept public relations fiasco. Okay, it is not very important. The

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2013-08-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Seriously, what's your problem? Defkalion was always open and clear to me. I have no clue what you are talking about. 2013/8/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com But what the did was unprofessional and it made them look bad. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It would be ironically tragic if the guy who has spent the best part of his life supporting cold fusion and then LENR, did not recognize the personification of his goal when it was placed in front of him. I never recognize any claim until it has been

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2013-08-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Everyone knows the rules Jed, do you have a copy of the rule book I could borrow, or at least let me know what page to look on?... On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It would be ironically tragic if the guy who has

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, what's your problem? Defkalion was always open and clear to me. I have no clue what you are talking about. I am talking about what what it says right here: In June 2011 we were told that the Greek Government would certify their device by

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2013-08-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
I see no reason to apologize anyone, these are tiny details that are in no way rude to anyone. They are vastly more clear than Rossi and have revealed way too much about their processes. If you don't pay attention, it's not anyone else's fault. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone knows the rules Jed, do you have a copy of the rule book I could borrow, or at least let me know what page to look on?... The rule is right here, plain as day: Nullius in verba http://royalsociety.org/about-us/history/ Chapter 1, paragraph

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2013-08-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Ok, it was Francis Bacon that wrote the rules, that clears that up, thanks. I thought they already put on a show for the show me state I watched the show on the web with no commercials On Friday, August 2, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I see no reason to apologize anyone, these are tiny details that are in no way rude to anyone. They are unimportant details. However, if you run a business in the U.S., and you do this sort of thing, people will soon doubt what you say. People will say

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2013-08-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
They don't run a business in US. And you are jumping into conclusions that 3rd parties did not extensively tested their reactors. 2013/8/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com They are unimportant details. However, if you run a business in the U.S., and you do this sort of thing, people will

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, it was Francis Bacon that wrote the rules, that clears that up, thanks. Yes, he is the one. That is why Jefferson kept a bust of Bacon in his house, and why some people consider him the founder of modern science as much as Newton was. When you see

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2013-08-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
I now he was smart and all but, He famously died by contracting pneumoniahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonia while studying the effects of freezing on the preservation of meat. But just how smart? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: They don't run a business in US. Canada as well. Their business culture is similar to ours. They run a business in Canada. They will make trouble for themselves with these shenanigans. If you do not think so, I doubt you have run a business in Canada

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I now he was smart and all but, He famously died by contracting pneumoniahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonia while studying the effects of freezing on the preservation of meat. An experimentalist to the end. But just how smart? Read his

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2013-08-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
But I contradict you because I do know more than you do and I don't need to run a business to be sure of what I am talking about. 2013/8/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com I have, so maybe you should stop contradicting me with supercilious know-it-all comments. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha

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2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
Daniel are you a robot? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I see no reason to apologize anyone, these are tiny details that are in no way rude to anyone. They are vastly more clear than Rossi and have revealed way too much about their processes. If you

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2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
what do you know that allows you to dismiss their rude behaviour as tiny details? harry On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: But I contradict you because I do know more than you do and I don't need to run a business to be sure of what I am talking about.

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2013-08-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
An experimentalist to the end You can say that again. DGT put on a dog and pony show and for that I give them credit. I don't think they are vying for a Nobel Prize. Like Daniel said there may be 3rd party testing locked up in NDAs. It will all flush out in due time. Regarding Eiseley, I am

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: And you are jumping into conclusions that 3rd parties did not extensively tested their reactors. I did not say that. You are not reading what I said. On the contrary, I have said repeatedly that third parties have tested the reactors. I know that

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2013-08-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Because of this, I can say that people are not really paying attention. It's like wearing a blindfold. 2013/8/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Perhaps other people have seen conclusive positive results. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Because of this, I can say that people are not really paying attention. It's like wearing a blindfold. 2013/8/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Perhaps other people have seen conclusive positive results. Because of what? Have you seen reports

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2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
What Defkalion attempted to do was to instill faith in the LENR community. It is the same principle where the body of the Church recognizes actions that cannot be explained by natural laws, to inspire faith in the membership. When the blind see again, when the cripple walk, when the dead rise and

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2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: When you miss a deadline, or you screw up some other way, it never hurts to explain and apologize. People forgive mistakes sooner than they forgive rudeness. I agree, except sometimes people have hard time acknowledging

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2013-08-02 Thread James Bowery
When the primary FUD about a situation is fraud, incompetence or delusion, the last thing you want to do is feed the FUD by hiding honest mistakes. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:45 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Do you require more evidence to bolster your faith like doubting Thomas, a skeptic in the faith who refused to believe without direct personal experience, to plunge his suspicious fingers deep into the gaping wounds piercing the lifeless hands still

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2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
Any group which demands faith as a condition of participation is a cult. Harry On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: What Defkalion attempted to do was to instill faith in the LENR community. It is the same principle where the body of the Church recognizes

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2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
yes that too. harry On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 5:51 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: When the primary FUD about a situation is fraud, incompetence or delusion, the last thing you want to do is feed the FUD by hiding honest mistakes. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:45 PM, H Veeder

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: When the primary FUD about a situation is fraud, incompetence or delusion, the last thing you want to do is feed the FUD by hiding honest mistakes. Yes! A businessman should know that. If IBM forgets to apologize people are not going doubt their

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2013-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Any group which demands faith as a condition of participation is a cult. Yes. You do realize, that was a joke? See Poe's law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law . . . An Internet adage reflecting the idea that without a clear indication of the author's

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2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
Faith in LENR is a recognition that there are things in this time and place that are not yet knowable. Such Faith is not a mark of a cult; It is simply the recognition of human limitations. No matter what a LENR developer shows to an erstwhile evaluator, it will not be enough to prove or disprove

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2013-08-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
We are in a quantum conundrum :) On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Faith in LENR is a recognition that there are things in this time and place that are not yet knowable. Such Faith is not a mark of a cult; It is simply the recognition of human limitations.

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2013-08-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Yes. You do realize, that was a joke? See Poe's law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law . . . An Internet adage reflecting the idea that without a clear indication of the

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody that agrees with Mary Y in any way needs to reevaluate his thinking processes. Do you think Mary's question about the claim of a strong magnetic was mistaken? If not, on what basis do you believe there was a strong

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2013-08-02 Thread hohlr...@gmail.com
Keys are brass or aluminum? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog Date: Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:58 PM On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Axil Axil

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: What is often thrown-out to gain a smile can have the opposite effect without a smiley ... but I was hoping that the insight referred to the ghost of Edgar Allan Poe, given that even without the Internet, or rants about

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:18 PM, hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.comwrote: Keys are brass or aluminum? Sure. But there's perhaps a watch, a steel keyring, a belt buckle, metal components in electronics that are being carried, an iPhone. Perhaps he was wearing only brass and aluminium items

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2013-08-02 Thread blaze spinnaker
Well, we don't know how long it was actually at 1.6T Maybe that was a spike On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:18 PM, hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.comwrote: Keys are brass or aluminum? Sure. But there's perhaps a watch,

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
I just tried an experiment -- it seems my iPhone is not very magnetic. ;) Eric On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:18 PM, hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.comwrote: Keys are brass or aluminum? Sure. But there's perhaps a

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2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
The question boils down to who do you really believe. DO you believe what Mary Yugo tells you, or do you believe what J.Hadjichristos is saying. I have, do, and will trust J.Hadjichristos unconditionally in every case. If you trust Mary Yugo, more fool you. I’m just saying. On Fri, Aug

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The question boils down to who do you really believe. DO you believe what Mary Yugo tells you, or do you believe what J.Hadjichristos is saying. I have, do, and will trust J.Hadjichristos unconditionally in every case. If

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:38 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Well, we don't know how long it was actually at 1.6T Maybe that was a spike This is a good point. It might have been a sharp transient that is seen intermittently. I personally don't know much about the claim. I

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2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
J. Hadjichristos is among the few great men who will live in this century. He has made decisions and technical breakthroughs and expanded the scope of science that will have produced a paradigm shift in the lives of all humankind into the far distant future. Few of us will be privileged to know

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2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
If some inconvenient fact does not fit into one's train of ideas and theories, just ignore it or even discredit it regardless if that fact may well be the turnkey to unlocking the ultimate truth. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Don’t let petty jealousy distort your view of history, for we are living during a turning point in civilization unlike any that have gone before; primarily brought about by efforts and genius of John Hadjichristos. I can't

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2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
I am trying to reverse the tendency inherent in human nature to belittle men of great achievement and stature much in the way children berate a child that has just received a shiny new toy. It starts young and oftentimes reappears to sour the relations between men of good faith and heart. I fear

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2013-08-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, he is a great guy and a good friend of mine. He surely taught me the value of taking into consideration a wide spectrum of theories, that they are complementary to a great extant and that the answer to most explanations for cold fusion is already in the literature. Also, he always pointed me

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: If some inconvenient fact does not fit into one's train of ideas and theories, just ignore it or even discredit it regardless if that fact may well be the turnkey to unlocking the ultimate truth. I will ignore the weird tone

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2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
There must be an underlying psychological reason for thinking this way because it is not based on logic or experience; a prejudice in judgment or a unfounded distaste may be at play. Both Rossi and Defkalion have released this isotopic dependency in their technical papers and patents. What

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: There must be an underlying psychological reason for thinking this way because it is not based on logic or experience; a prejudice in judgment or a unfounded distaste may be at play. Both Rossi and Defkalion have released

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:38 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Well, we don't know how long it was actually at 1.6T Maybe that was a spike This is a good point. It might have been a sharp

Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

2013-08-02 Thread H Veeder
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Any group which demands faith as a condition of participation is a cult. Yes. You do realize, that was a joke? See Poe's law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law . . . An

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2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
I am depressed and saddened by the lack of trust shown here; trust in one of the most emanate field marshals on the battlefield in the struggle to advance the interests of LENR. Doesn’t Defkalion have enough enemies from vested interests? Do they deserve abuse from supposed friends of the LENR

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: There has been detailed data presented by Dr, Kim on radiation in the ICCF paper and you chose to disbelieve it. What right do you have to expect more data for another ill-informed prejudiced evaluation of what Defkalion

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2013-08-02 Thread blaze spinnaker
John Hadjichristos? An emanate field marshal? Oh come on... The guy was a freelance 'business process redesigner' before joining defkalion. Before that, I think he managed some medical clinics. Please. Your track record must count for something.

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2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
There is a pernicious tendency on the forums to ignore or even replace facts that are inconvenient to the interests of the poster. Specifically and unfortunately here, the 1.6 T magnetic field. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: There is a pernicious tendency on the forums to ignore or even replace facts that are inconvenient to the interests of the poster. Specifically and unfortunately here, the 1.6 T magnetic field. Thank you. Now to the next

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
His track record includes the independent development of a technology that is 100 years ahead of its time. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:53 AM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: John Hadjichristos? An emanate field marshal? Oh come on... The guy was a freelance 'business process

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
I know that it is absolutely true because John Hadjichristos has stated it in public and without reservation. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: There is a pernicious tendency on the

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I know that it is absolutely true because John Hadjichristos has stated it in public and without reservation. So you're going off of John Hadjichristos's word. That's fine, and it makes sense on a certain level. I suppose I

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
I am not going to enter into the gristmill of your recriminations. You strip is clearly showing. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I know that it is absolutely true because John

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
To some men, their word is their bond. Honor is all. There was a time not long ago that when a man’s word was questioned, he would invite the offender into the street and put a bullet in his brain for the sake of his honor. When you question a man’s honor, you question his code of conduct, his

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

2013-08-02 Thread Peter Gluck
One of the secrets of Hadjichristos's success is that he is able to understand complexity and is apt in systems thinking. Both he and Mike McKubre are great scientists and good friends of mine. McKubre had the unluck to remain in the classic LENR system where the problem of reproducibility is

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Things would be so much easier if: - we accept that LENR and LENR+ are very different; - we do not try to extract definitive conclusions from data in evolution - abstain from claiming we are omniscient- for example re

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2013-08-02 Thread Peter Gluck
Eric, all you need is a bit of patience and you will get the specific data and info you want/need. What exactly has high priority for you? Can I help you? Peter On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Peter Gluck

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2013-08-02 Thread blaze spinnaker
Millions of people are dying every year because of poor access to clean water. Tech like this could change everything, but Defkalion is playing games because they want to make a few more $$$ and not just try to patent the thing and make money from that. You call that Noble? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013

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2013-08-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
They cannot just release a product. This involves geopolitical calculations. If these are not done properly, no one will get anything. 2013/8/3 blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com Millions of people are dying every year because of poor access to clean water. Tech like this could change

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog

2013-08-02 Thread David Roberson
: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog Well, we don't know how long it was actually at 1.6T Maybe that was a spike On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:18 PM, hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Keys

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2013-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
Where does this thinking come from. Surely it must be your imagination or is it a gambit to lay some more disrespect onto John H and Defkalion. You know nothing about the issues you misrepresent. So there must be some nefarious motive festering behind your words. Your words betray your own

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2013-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, all you need is a bit of patience and you will get the specific data and info you want/need. What exactly has high priority for you? Can I help you? Peter I have questions for them, but I'm a little worried

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2013-08-01 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jed, Some comments to your comments, if you allow it to me. First it is not about a fight between DGT and Mary Yugo, on the contrary it is kind of collaboration, a bit special I reckon but definitely a cooperation. A sine qua non pre-condition for this is Mary becoming a real person with

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