RE: MRTG on Windows NT

[Eddie M. Parra]

Guys,

I used these two URL's and had no problems setting up MRTG on NT 4.0.

http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html#NT

And "The MRTG Guide for Windows NT Users" by David S. Divins
http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/nt-guide.html

-Eddie


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Swart, Douwe
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:20 AM
To: 'Erwin Novriyanto'
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: MRTG on Windows NT


I have been playing around with this for a while too.

There does not appear to be a great deal of information around.  I have not
had much success as yet.  I will let you know if I have any major
breakthroughs.

Please let me know if you have the same.

Have you found a way in MRTG where you can monitor the total amount of data
passing across a link, rather than just the bandwidth utilisation?

Cheers

Douwe
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From:   Erwin Novriyanto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Monday, July 24, 2000 6:23 PM
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Subject:MRTG on Windows NT

Dear All,

I want to make MRTG on Windows NT for viewing our network
performance, can
anybody help me for the instruction. Like documentation for
that,...thanks
for your help.

Bye

Erwin

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RE: Good CCDA site

[Bernard]

My flash cards are free and still online:

www.networkking.net/ccda  for CCDA (needs IE 4.1 and higher,
no netscape)
www.networkking.net/cid   for CID
www.netowrkking.net/cid2  for CID


Bernard

> 
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> Is there any good site for CCDA preparations, please advise urgently.
> 
> Regards
> 
> JP

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RE: MRTG on Windows NT

[Swart, Douwe]

I have been playing around with this for a while too. 

There does not appear to be a great deal of information around.  I have not
had much success as yet.  I will let you know if I have any major
breakthroughs.

Please let me know if you have the same.

Have you found a way in MRTG where you can monitor the total amount of data
passing across a link, rather than just the bandwidth utilisation?

Cheers

Douwe
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Subject:MRTG on Windows NT

Dear All,

I want to make MRTG on Windows NT for viewing our network
performance, can
anybody help me for the instruction. Like documentation for
that,...thanks
for your help.

Bye

Erwin

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Re: Part 1 - BGP Certzone white paper

[Paul Borghese]

Then contact the copyright holder directly!  They are the only one who can
legally sell the paper.  Please do not post these type of request on the
list.  I really want to keep this list as free as possible of copyright
infringement activities.

So in other words, please do not post messages asking for:

1. Cisco IOS Code
2. General Software (Cisco Works etc.)
3. Copyrighted materials

You need to contact the owner direct.


Thanks,

Paul Borghese

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From: "William E Gragido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "kikpasa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: Part 1 - BGP Certzone white paper


> I am willing to pay for a copy of the paper, I don't necessarily want a
> subsricption to the zone, but would like a copy of the paper.  Like I
said,
> I am willing to purchase a copy using Uncle Sam' green backs!
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > kikpasa
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:16 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Part 1 - BGP Certzone white paper
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >   Is there anyone out there with a copy of Part 1 Bgp of Certification
> > Zone's Whitepaper
> >
> >  Please mail me a copy, this will be well appriciated.
> >
> > Kerry
> >
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How to find out if it is sup1 or sup2 ...

[Cisco Wave]

Hi,

If I use the sho commands, it is indicating that it is
sup2. But the contract and the module front panel
shows sup1 !

TOKYO-04-01-SW> sho mod
Mod Module-Name Ports Module-Type  
ModelSerial-Num Status
--- --- - -
- - ---
1   2 100BaseTX Supervisor 
WS-X5509  002259567 ok
2   1210/100BaseTX Ethernet
WS-X5213A 006598575 ok
3   1210/100BaseTX Ethernet
WS-X5213A 006600280 ok
5   1 Route Switch 
WS-X5302  006591933 ok

Mod MAC-Address(es)   Hw
Fw  Sw
---   --
--- 
1   00-e0-fe-fa-38-00 thru 00-e0-fe-fa-3b-ff  1.1   
2.2(1)  3.2(5)
2   00-e0-1e-7a-45-24 thru 00-e0-1e-7a-45-2f  2.0   
1.4 3.2(5)
3   00-e0-1e-83-84-ec thru 00-e0-1e-83-84-f7  2.0   
1.4 3.2(5)
5   00-e0-1e-91-b7-0c thru 00-e0-1e-91-b7-0d  4.0   
20.711.2(13)P

Mod Sub-Type Sub-Model Sub-Serial Sub-Hw
---  - -- --
1   EARL 1+  WS-F5511  0002232869 1.0
TOKYO-04-01-SW>  sho ver
WS-C5000 Software, Version McpSW: 3.2(5) NmpSW: 3.2(5)
Copyright (c) 1995-1999 by Cisco Systems
NMP S/W compiled on Feb  3 1999, 19:01:27
MCP S/W compiled on Feb 03 1999, 19:04:14

System Bootstrap Version: 2.2(1)

Hardware Version: 1.1  Model: WS-C5000  Serial #:
002259567

Module Ports Model  Serial #  Hw Fw  Fw1  
  Sw
-- - -- - -- ---
--- 
1  2 WS-X5509   002259567 1.12.2(1) 
2.2(1)  3.2(5)
2  12WS-X5213A  006598575 2.01.4  
  3.2(5)
3  12WS-X5213A  006600280 2.01.4  
  3.2(5)
5  1 WS-X5302   006591933 4.020.7   
2.2(4)  11.2(13)P

   DRAMFLASH  
NVRAM
Module Total   UsedFreeTotal   UsedFree   
Total Used  Free
-- --- --- --- --- --- ---
- - -
1   16384K   9432K   6952K   8192K   3840K   4352K
 256K  117K  139K

Uptime is 139 days, 21 hours, 41 minutes 



-Original Message-
From:   Buddy Venne [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:44 PM
To: 'Cisco Wave'
Subject:RE: Sup 1 or Sup2 in Cat5xxx ?

Cisco Wave -
do you get this display??
sho mod:
Mod Slot Ports Module-Type   Model
  Status
---  - -
--- 
1   10 Supervisor IIGWS-X5540 
  ok

sho ver:

Hardware Version: 1.0  Model: WS-C5509  Serial #:
067524265

Mod Port Model  Serial #  Versions
---  -- -

1   0WS-X5540   014380356 Hw : 1.1
  Fw : 5.1(1)
  Fw1: 5.1(1)
  Sw : 5.1(2a)
hth

Buddy Venne
WAN/LAN Specialist
Onyx Acceptance
(949) 465-3775


-Original Message-
From: Cisco Wave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 5:37 PM
To: Cisco Group Study
Subject: Sup 1 or Sup2 in Cat5xxx ?


Dear All,

I have a customer who has some cat 5000 with
supervisor.
I am trying to find out if there are supervisor 1 or
2, but it seems tricker than usual.

The maintenace contract shows that the customer did
buy :
Supervisor 1
and Supervisor 2

The switches I am interested in are supposed to have
sup1, according to the contract.

When I look at the actual module, it is labeled
Supervisor with no numbers.
I will imagine it is then supervisor 1, and not
supervisor 2, because sup2 are labeled supervisor II.

However, when I do a 'sho mod' or 'sho ver', the
module comes up as WS-X5509 which is sup2.
This is the confusing part here ...
And the Hardware version shows 1.x, which looks like
sup1 too !

My theory is that the customer did load image CatOS
for sup2, instead of sup1.
Somehow it did work, but it is reporting wrong HW, and
this is why it is showing WS-X5509.

Anybody can help me to find out if they are sup1 or
sup2 ?

Thanks,






=
We are NOT Cisco Inc.

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Good CCDA site

[Singh J.P.]

Hi friends,

Is there any good site for CCDA preparations, please advise urgently.

Regards

JP


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what is the passing score?

[Zhang Jin]

Hi group,
what is the passing score for CCNA 1.0?
822 or 755?

thanks
dean

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Flash Partition

[Swart, Douwe]

Just taking a look at a few router configs, and came across the following -
from show run.

boot system flash 2:c2500-g-l.112-15a
boot system flash
boot system flash bootflash:
.
.
.
partition flash 2 8 8

Does anyone have any idea what this is about.  Im searching through the
cisco sitebut until my CCO/TAC login arrives, the info I have access to
is fairly limited.  I know the c2500-g-1.112-15a is the image file that it
is booting off, Im just not sure why there are numerous boots in the same
config file.

I would appreciate any knowledge that you would like to share

Thanks guys and gals


Douwe 

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RES: how to block Media Player

[Leonardo Rocha]

Jim,

If you configure the Media Player to not use HTTP, it will use port 1755.
I think it´s only one way to do this: - Configure the media player to not
use http and create a access-list denying all to use remote port 1755.

*Without configuring the media player to do this, it will always use port
80.

good luck,

Leonardo.

-Mensagem original-
De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Em nome de Jim
Bond
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 24 de julho de 2000 23:17
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Assunto: how to block Media Player


Hello,

My users access a lot of web sites running Media
Player, how do I block it? Is there a port number
associated with it?

Thanks in advance.


Jim

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RE: Very good web site for CCNA

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

Ben Lovegrove's Web site links to Amazon's site so you can buy the books. 
Of course, that's completely different than what this other person did. 
This other person posted the whole book online on what appears to be his 
own personal Web site. He doesn't appear to be associated with the 
publisher. I don't think he's one of the authors either, though that's 
generally irrelevant. The publisher usually owns the copyright.

The publisher, Syngress, got what they deserved possibly, since they 
published the whole book on the included CD. But when you open that CD you 
agree to use it for your own personal use only. (At least that's usually 
the case. Does anyone have the book with the original CD packaging? Could 
you tell us what it says?)

Priscilla



At 09:30 PM 7/24/00, William E Gragido wrote:
>Priscilla,
>
>On the one hand, its a definite ethical error, on the flipside(gotta play
>the devil's advocate here), is it any different than what thousands of
>technical sites do?  I am not justifying it, from a legal perspective
>however I would like to point out that some the best sites on the internet
>dedicated to networking and data communications have or are doing the same
>thing.  Take Ben Lovegrove's site, which by the way, I love!  He has links
>to several other sites containing entire volumes of information(see the
>Syngress link).  Is it wrong?  To some perhaps, if copyright and credit are
>not giving their due, but I would be curious to see how many of who utilize
>these resources would actively campaign against them.  Just a few thoughts!
>By the way, your books are great!
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:40 PM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'Neelanga Udash'
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Very good web site for CCNA
> >
> >
> > I was really impressed when I first reviewed this online
> > material. It's so
> > much better than most of the crap that's out there. Then I realized it's
> > the "CCNA Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide" by Syngress! How
> > could someone publish this online?? It appears to be a flagrant
> > example of
> > theft.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> >
> > >--  From:   Neelanga Udash  Reply To:   Neelanga
> > >Udash  Sent:   Monday, 24 July, 2000 7:43
> > >AM  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  Subject:Very good
> > web site for
> > >CCNA
> > >
> > >Dear all,
> > >
> > >Take a look at this site. There is a whole book of CCNA material written
> > >by  a CCIE,
> > >
> > >http://www.rkingma.com
> > /cisco/testhome.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >***  U.D. Neelanga Udash
> >  Network
> > >Support Analyst
> > >
> > >IT Division  The British Council  49 Alfred House Gardens  Colombo
> > >00300  Sri Lanka
> > >
> > >Tel:  +94 (0)1 581171 (ext.260)  Fax: +94 (0)1 587079  E-mail:
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: CCNP BGP websites?

[Brian]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, rtc wrote:

> 
>   Does anyone know of any BGP websites with CCNP type whitepapers?
>   I saw MCI's but it was under construction.

www.cisco.com ...search "BGP TUTORIAL"it has like 5 parts

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Re: Passed COD

[S Bambang Santoso]

Yes, actually i have to told them along of story before they will get the
smallest key of what i have told. Well . may be it just a secret only
for our group and to whom people are understand.

Regards,



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From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: Passed COD


> Hey, try saying that you teach computer networking to people! ;-) Everyone
> says, "Oh, you teach people how to use the Internet?" I answer, "No, I
> teach the engineers that build the Internet." Then I get blank stares. ;-)
> It's frustrating.
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 04:27 PM 7/24/00, Chris Larson wrote:
> >I can sympathize. Congratulations it is a big deal. I too do not find
many
> >people to talk to or get excited about what I do. It seems to be that way
> >for many many engineers. I have resolved to simply saying "I work with
> >computers" when people ask me what I do because even if I explain it to
them
> >they still don't understand and telling them I work with CPU's is just
> >simpler. It is not a job that you can go home and talk about. "Yeah
honey,
> >it was cool. I built 3 3-DES VPNS between several branch offices, but it
was
> >frustrating because I somehow messed up the OSPF tables". WTF are you
> >talking about??
> >
> >My uncle is a Doctor and when he says I sewed someones arm back on
everyone
> >understands. If you say I attatched a router to a network (the simplest
of
> >terms)nobody knows what you really did and how neat that really is, or
more
> >importantly all the things it will allow that comany to accomplish.
> >
> >
> >Well hey!! I understand, and even if everyone else doesn't understand, we
> >build networks, we make the internet happen, and we enable the people we
> >work for to do so many incredible things. It is very very important work.
> >
> >Again CONGRATS
> >
> >
> >AUX0
> >CCNP +Security
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Dennis Laganiere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:44 PM
> >To: 'CLAXTON, TIMOTHY A. (AIT)'; 'Group Study'
> >Subject: RE: Passed COD
> >
> >
> >I sympathize with you about your spouse not understanding what you've
> >accomplished.  My wife has said she hasn't understood a thing I've said
> >since I stopped working with servers five years ago :-)
> >
> >Let me offer a warm and heartfelt (virtual) hug of acceptance and
respect...
> > - Dennis Laganiere
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: CLAXTON, TIMOTHY A. (AIT)
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 8:27 PM
> >To: 'Group Study'
> >Subject: Passed CCDP
> >
> >
> >I just thought I would drop a quick note to let the group know that I
passed
> >CID on Friday gaining me my CCDP.
> >I started pursuing this certification earlier this year when I took a new
> >job. Now that I have passed, I don't have the excitement that I thought I
> >would have. Don't get me wrong, I am very excited and relieved that I am
> >past it now. The problem is that I don't have anyone close to share the
> >excitement with. My wife was happy for me but she, as well as the rest of
my
> >family, doesn't really understand what I have accomplished.
> >Does anyone else feel similar?
> >
> >Anywhoo, here is my path to CCDP.
> >I took the CCDP 2.0 path.
> >Jan 2000 - Passed BCMSN beta. I studied CLSC course book a little. Not
much
> >help for this test. I did have lots of hands on including 29xx and 5500
> >switches. Know spanning tree, Cisco multicast, MLS, VTP, ISL etc.
> >
> >April 2000 - Passed DCN test for CCDA. I studied DCN CD. Not to
difficult.
> >
> >June 2000 - Passed BCSN. I studied the Cisco Press ACRC book. Skip WAN,
IPX
> >and AppleTalk stuff. Read Cisco's BGP tutorial on CCO. Just search on
"BGP
> >TUTORIAL". Know OSPF and EIGRP.
> >
> >June 2000 - Passed BCRAN. The group said this was the easiest but I
thought
> >it was fairly difficult. I used Cisco Press BCRAN book.
> >
> >July 2000 - Passed CID. This was also difficult. I used the Cisco Press
CID
> >book. Study Cisco's ATM product guide.
> >Know specs on ATM gear.
> >
> >I hope to take CIT in August. I may take this class just because the
hands
> >on will be good practice for CCIE.
> >
> >Thanks to the group for all of your posts.
> >
> >Tim Claxton CCDP CCNA
> >Systems Design Engineer
> >SBC DataComm
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
>
> 
>
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Re: Lab equipments suggestions need for CCNP & CCIE

[bellis]

Roger,

Hi!  I've got all sorts of gear available.  You can see most of my inventory
at:

www.optsys.net

Let me know if you have any further questions.
thanks!
-Brad Ellis
CCIE#5796

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> Would someone pls kindly give me a detail equipments list that is
> necessary to prepare for CCNP (ver 2.0 ) and will also capable to use
> for CCIE in future ?
>
> Also , any good suggestion (Web site , books) to get start after getting
all
> the equipment ?
>
>  I have only about 1 year experience on routers and I got my CCNA
> (ver 1.0 ) using CBT simulation training CD & Sybex.
>
>  I do got a few more bucks to spend, as long as the equipment can let me
get
> my CCIE eventually, I will rather spend a bit more now than fail the exams
> (whether it is written or the lab test ) 
>
> Pls help !!
>
>
> Regards
>
> CCIE wanna be
>
>
>
>
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Block Media Player/Better CCNA Site

[Dale Cantrell]

There are some multimedia port numbers on Clayton Dukes excellant site.
I didn't know port 123 was NTP-Network Time Protocol..did ya'll?
HTH,  www.gdd.net
Dale CCNA

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Hello,

My users access a lot of web sites running Media
Player, how do I block it? Is there a port number
associated with it?

Thanks in advance.


Jim

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Re: Cannot Erase FLASH (Part ll)

[Circusnuts]

It was the NVRAM 
configs.  I had just upgraded the boot ROM's- before swapping the RAM & 
FLASH.  So- everything was new (11.0 or better), except for the NVRAM 
configs (they were still built in 9.0).  I guess there was a point today, 
when I "more thoroughly" understood the term "backwards compatible."  

 
This is not text book, 
but my best answer :-)
 
Thanks All for your input 
!!!
Phil
 
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Subject: Re: Cannot Erase FLASH ???
> Since, 2500's are run from flash routers you 
need to boot up in bootrom> and then tftp copy the flash image.> 
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios112/112cg_cr> /1cbook/1csysim.htm> > David C Prall   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://dcp.dcptech.com> - Original 
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> I'm trying to upgrade the IOS in a couple of routers I've just 
purchased> & I get this:> > System flash 
directory:> File  Length   Name/status>   
1   3869420  igs-i-l.111-9> [3869484 bytes used, 4519124 
available, 8388608 total]> > Erase flash device? [confirm]> 
Are you sure? [yes/no]: y> %dev_open: System flash not writable> 
> Any ideas- Copy TFTP FLASH gives the same- not writable 
error...> > Thanks All !!!> Phil> > > 
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Re: new CCNP 2.0!

[Avran]

Congrats! Indeed quite an accomplishment.  However, how long have you been
in this field? How much of hands on practice did you have to take the CCNP
exams?  Any light would be of great help. Thank you.

Avran
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> Hi, guys:
>
> Just want to let all of you know that I just passed Support 2.0
today(873),
> which makes me a newly-minted CCNP. I'm happy now but somehow not like
what
> I had expected. I just want to thank everybody here in the group who had
> share their thoughts and expertise, it has given me lots of momentum to
keep
> studying, and confidence to face tough tests.
>
> For those who may wonder how my journey was like, here's something to
share
> with you guys...
> 1)CCNA 1.0, 3/27/00
> a good test in that it tests your knowledge of bacis networking, helped me
> clarify some vague points in my head when I was preparing it. I got 934 on
> the test.
> 2)Routing 2.0,6/19/00
> Very good and fair test, I say this because I didn't read any test cram
> books, I studied Jeff Dole's Routing TCP/IP and Halabi's BGP book, I think
> you will be doing fine in this test if you understand the material, not
just
> remember. I took a 890 on this test.
> 3)Switching 2.0,   7/10/00
> Again good test, I read Cisco LAN-swicthing by Kennedy Clark. I would
highly
> recommend Clark's book for study of this test, it covers all the test
> objectives in BCMSN. This book is good because it's easy to understand and
> yet explain the difficult technology throughly. I got a 846 for this one.
> 4)Remote 2.0,7/17/00
> The easiest test. I focused myself on Cisco BCRAN book. That should be all
> you need to pass the test. Don't forget to stduy hard on DDR, ISDN, PPP,
> Frame-relay stuff I scored 875 on the test.
> 5)Support 2.0,7/24/00
> I think I had some difficulties to understand some of the questions in the
> test. Because the wording is so strange for at least 2 Qs. But just use
your
> common networking sense you will be fine, my 3 year router experience
really
> helped. I just browsed through CIT book to bruch up my head for the test.
> 873 on this one.
>
> So, that's about it.  I guess my next step will be CVOICE and CCIE
written.
> Anyone who knows these two tests please drop me a line or two, that would
be
> greatly appreciated!!
>
> Good luck to all of us!!!
>
> Daniel Ji
> CCNP
>
>
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Books for BCMSN, BCRAN and BCSN

[svjagan]

Dear Friends,

 I am planning to take-up Cisco CCNP 2.0 soon.   I am in the process of
preparing for BCMSN, BCRAN and BCSN exams.  I would like to know which are good
books I can go for preparing for the exams.  I would appreciate your help in
this regard.

Thanks

Jagan.


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Re: Cat 6509 IOS change

[Henrique Issamu Terada]

Hi Steve

Yes, we did it some months ago, when a customer wanted to use Service Load
Balance.
Follow exactly the steps, and also, I would suggest you to open a TAC Case ,
and keep the Cisco Engineer at phone when you do that.
We got some problems with the PCMCIA Flash card at slot 0 , and  as this is
not a trivial task , we spent some hours to find when was the problem , and
complete the upgrade on 2 MSFC's.

Henrique Issamu Terada
CPM Comunicações - Brazil
CCNA Certified


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Subject: Cat 6509 IOS change


> In my current environment we have just installed a 6509 with dual
supervisor
> modules.  It is currently running a "hybrid" IOS (12.0(7)XE) which allows
> the switch engine and the route processor to be configured, as separate
> entities.  With this IOS the configuration of the two modules does not
sync.
> The customer want the configs to sync as opposed to running HSRP on the
two
> route processors.  In order to do this I must migrate to a "native" IOS
> (12.0(7)XE1 for example) which makes the switch engine and the route
> processor configuration occur at a single prompt..  This IOS migration
will
> result in the current configuration of the Catalyst being wiped out.
Since
> this switch is live on the network I am trying to minimize downtime.
>
> My questions to the group are;
>
> Has anyone done such an IOS migration?
>
> Is it be possible to re-boot the "secondary" module, load the new IOS via
> the xmodem rommon command, configure that module, fail over to the newly
> configured module, then perform the same function on the "master" module,
> the whole time maintaining network functionality until the fail overs?
>
> Any and all suggestion that would minimize down time would be appreciated.
> I currently do not have a second catalyst to perform the upgrade outside
the
> "live box."
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all ideas.
>
> Steve D.
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RE: Very good web site for CCNA

[William E Gragido]

Priscilla,

On the one hand, its a definite ethical error, on the flipside(gotta play
the devil's advocate here), is it any different than what thousands of
technical sites do?  I am not justifying it, from a legal perspective
however I would like to point out that some the best sites on the internet
dedicated to networking and data communications have or are doing the same
thing.  Take Ben Lovegrove's site, which by the way, I love!  He has links
to several other sites containing entire volumes of information(see the
Syngress link).  Is it wrong?  To some perhaps, if copyright and credit are
not giving their due, but I would be curious to see how many of who utilize
these resources would actively campaign against them.  Just a few thoughts!
By the way, your books are great!

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> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:40 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'Neelanga Udash'
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Very good web site for CCNA
>
>
> I was really impressed when I first reviewed this online
> material. It's so
> much better than most of the crap that's out there. Then I realized it's
> the "CCNA Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide" by Syngress! How
> could someone publish this online?? It appears to be a flagrant
> example of
> theft.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
> >--  From:   Neelanga Udash  Reply To:   Neelanga
> >Udash  Sent:   Monday, 24 July, 2000 7:43
> >AM  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  Subject:Very good
> web site for
> >CCNA
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >Take a look at this site. There is a whole book of CCNA material written
> >by  a CCIE,
> >
> >http://www.rkingma.com
> /cisco/testhome.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: CCIE All-in-one (moron or genious?)

[William E Gragido]

Are we talking about the Roosevelt Giles CCIE study guide?  I have heard
nothing but terrible things about it.  I love the Caslow book though; it
rocks!  Talk about comprehensive!

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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: CCIE All-in-one (moron or genious?)
>
>
> Hey Groupies,
> Just wanted to bring up a topic that I've been pondering.
> About a month
> ago, me and another member on the list met up and started working
> on his path
> to CCIE, starting with the "CCIE All-In-One Study Guide." Any of
> you who have
> ever used this book have all seen the massive amounts of errors
> in it, from
> picture errors, config errors, and even syntax spelling errors.
> We are almost
> through the whole book and I must say that out of the 80 labs in
> the book, at
> least 75% of them have had AT LEAST a tiny glitch on the authors
> part. I have
> hated this for the time that I've been working in the book, until
> last night.
> Me and the other member were working on one of the BGP labs.
> First of all,
> there was a config missing for one of the routers, and for router
> D in the
> config there wasn't supposed to be a serial address...but of
> coarse in the
> picture there was one. We literally spent about 2 hours on what
> was supposed
> to be a 20 minute lab. I commented this and the other member said
> "I know,
> this is great." That's when I got to thinking. What if this
> author made all
> of these mistakes to teach us troubleshooting. I must admit, I
> have spent a
> lot of time on these labs trying to figure out what's wrong with
> them after
> we use what the author wants, and I even get better from it. On
> the way home
> last night I was thinking that maybe the book was intended to be
> that way and
> all of those errata's are just ruining it because it's letting
> people not use
> their heads. If this is NOT the case and the author didn't intend
> in making
> this book a troubleshooter, then maybe he is a moron. But if he
> did, indeed,
> write this book this way intentionally, then I have to tip my hat and say
> that he is a genius and a great teacher. Just my thoughts guys.
> After all,
> the second half of "the lab" is fixing what was made wrong. If
> this book can
> simulate that...then it is the best CCIE study guide to a certain
> level. Have
> a good one group,
>
> Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> If the automobile had followed the same development as the
> computer, a
> Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and
> explode once a year killing everyone inside.
> ~Robert Cringely, InfoWorld~
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RE: Part 1 - BGP Certzone white paper

[William E Gragido]

I am willing to pay for a copy of the paper, I don't necessarily want a
subsricption to the zone, but would like a copy of the paper.  Like I said,
I am willing to purchase a copy using Uncle Sam' green backs!

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>
>
> Hi,
>   Is there anyone out there with a copy of Part 1 Bgp of Certification
> Zone's Whitepaper
>
>  Please mail me a copy, this will be well appriciated.
>
> Kerry
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how to block Media Player

[Jim Bond]

Hello,

My users access a lot of web sites running Media
Player, how do I block it? Is there a port number
associated with it?

Thanks in advance.


Jim

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CCNP BGP websites?

[rtc]

  Does anyone know of any BGP websites with CCNP type whitepapers?
  I saw MCI's but it was under construction.

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Passed CCNA 2.0

[Singh J.P.]

Hi,

I passed CCNA 2.0 with 924/1000 25th July

Please be prepared with WAN questions.

Regards

JP


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Anybody want to transfer CCIE Lab test permit in September?

[Tony Tan]

Looking for Lab test permit in Sept or at the end of August.


Tony


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Re: CCNA (Some help)

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

At 12:37 AM 7/25/00, Mohammed Hakim wrote:
>Hello group,
>
>I have some questions if anyone can help me .. and Thanks :)
>
>1) In the ICRC Cisco book .. at page 47 (The Ethernet/802.3 ..) 100BaseT4 
>is a 100-Mbps .. of Ethernet using four-pair Category 3,4 or 5 cabling.
>But in the Internetworking Technologies Handbook (Second Edition) at page 
>103 (100BaseT4) .. run over existing Category 3 wiring, .. four pairs of 
>cabling .. uses the half-duplex 4T + signalling scheme.
>What is the Correct support cables category 3 only or 3, 4 or 5.

Per the IEEE 802.3u specification, 100BaseT4 signaling requires four pairs 
of Category 3 or better cable. So you could run it on Cat 4 or 5, but 
that's not really what it was intended for. It was aimed at users who 
wanted 100 Mbps performance, but still had Cat 3 cabling. Users that have 
Cat 5 cabling would have no reason to run 100BaseT4. They could run 
100BaseTX over two pairs of Cat 5 cabling.

>
>2) what is the 100BaseT2 ?? (It use Category 3,4 or 5 UTP)

The specification doesn't actually use the term "100BaseT2." It uses the 
term 100BaseTX and defines that as "Specification for 100 Mbps CSMA/CD LAN 
over two pairs of Category 5 UTP or shielded twisted-paid (STP) wire."

>
>3) Does the Token Ring (IEEE 802.5) support Multicasts (sending packets to 
>a group of devices) in some book I red that Multicasts is supported on an 
>Ethernet or FDDI LAN (not allowed on Token Ring) but broadcast is allowed 
>on all LAN types. Take a note the in the ICRC cisco book page 59 (Token 
>Ring supports broadcasting and multicasting .. Multicasting is used to 
>send packets to special ...etc)
>Any Help Please .. I am confuse


There was an issue many years ago whereby the Token Ring chipsets from IBM 
didn't support multicasting. (They only supported functional addresses.) 
That problem was fixed years ago, but I could imagine it is still mentioned 
in some books.

>
>4) Is the Switch is faster then the Bridge .. Why??


Yes, a switch is generally much faster than a bridge because of the use of 
customized ASICs and other advances made in hardware since bridges were 
first produced. See the groupstudy archives for more details.

>
>5) Is the IP Datagram header are important (Ex: VERS, HLEN ... etc)


Yes. I assume you mean is it important for the test? I think the answer is 
still yes, but you probably just need a very broad understanding of the 
fields in the header.

Good luck on the test.

Priscilla

>
>I hope I can make it in the 640-407 exam before it retire.  I think some 
>diffrence between 640-407 & 640-507 that the passing score is 755 
>(640-407) and 822 (640-507) any idea .. i hope it does not be 850 !!!
>
>Thanks .. :)
>
>Mohammed Hakim
>
>




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Re: EtherChannel on 6500 Series

[Jason A. Diegmueller]

> Why is that on the software documentation on the 6000/6500 series of the
> Catalyst switches say "Ports in an EtherChannel need not be contiguous
> or on the same module"? I had studied the etherchannel architecture on the
> 5500 series and in fact, the links or ports does need to be configured in a
> bundle of two or four links (contiguous) in the same switch module. Is it a
> model series changed from 5000 to 6000 or just the level of CatIOS feature?

Voila, that's the beauty of the 6000 platform.

EtherChannels can even span multiple blades, providing 
availability even if a blade goes.

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RE: BCMSN question

[cv . perez]

Actually, I am preparing for the switching2.0 exam, already got the ccna2.0 and
Routing2.0. Routing2.0 only focus on the routing protocol such as ospf, eigrp
and bgp4 (+vlsm), more than v.1(byebye appeltalk and ipx)
I feel switching2.0 exam different from clsc and only work online with cisco
website.
For the other exams, I don't feel any sigificant changes.

Yours, cvp.





"Wisin Suhendra Setiady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07/25/2000 09:51:06 AM

Please respond to "Wisin Suhendra Setiady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To:   "'Brian'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bcc: Claude-Vincent
  PEREZ/JP-TOKYO-HOLDING/LVMH)

Subject:  RE: BCMSN question



No, I don't mean it, and  I know exactly that the one from CiscoPress is the
best. Because I refer the BCMSN to the new test version 2.0. And the
previous version would be called CLSC. So there are new things included to
BCMSN version 2.0.

That's why I think it would be better to wait for the new version rather
than buying the old version. It's only my oppinion concerning this, and I am
just wondering if there are significant changes in CCNP version 2.0?

Thanks for you comments.

With Sincerity,
Wisin
http://www.ciscosite.com

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From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:36 PM
To: Wisin Suhendra Setiady
Cc: 'Helena LOW'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: BCMSN question

CiscoPress makes a BCMSN book.are you saying that book is no
good for using on the BCMSN test?  The CiscoPress BCMSN is the book I am
using to prepare for the CCNP 2.0 BCMSN test.

Brian

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Wisin Suhendra Setiady wrote:

> I think this could be a choice:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072124741/wisinshomesweeth
> Rather waiting for the coming one. Right now the CiscoPress is still the
> best
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578702070/wisinshomesweeth
> But it's too late if for taking the exam.
>
> ISL encapsulation
>
> 6506
> set trunk / on isl 1-1005
> set port duplex full
> set port speed 100
>
> 2924
> interface FastEthernet0/
>  duplex full
>  speed 100
>  switchport mode trunk
>
> With Sincerity
> http://www.ciscosite.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Helena LOW
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: BCMSN question
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if someone could tell me how indepth we need to know the
> material in the Cisco press book of BCMSN?  When I was studying for my
> CCNA, I mostly used Todd's book which was enough, but I did take a look at
> the Cisco Press book for CCNA and it was really indepth..I was wondering
> if this is the case for the BCMSN book?  Like would we need to know the
> fields of ISL encapsulation?
>
> Thanks
> Helena

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trading lab places

[michael owuor]

My R&S lab is scheduled for November, but would like to do it sooner.

Anyone wanting to trade, get in touch with me.

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Re: EtherChannel on 6500 Series

[Atif Awan]

This is because of more advanced chipset on the 6000/6500. In the Cat 5500
series the EBC ( Ethernet Bundeling Controller ) has its limitations in the
bundling of the switch ports and allows you to only form bundles of
contiguous ports and those too in the same group.

Regards
Atif

-Original Message-
From: Luong, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Cisco Group Study' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 2:53 AM
Subject: EtherChannel on 6500 Series


>Hi Folks:
>
>Why is that on the software documentation on the 6000/6500 series of the
>Catalyst switches say "Ports in an EtherChannel need not be contiguous
>or on the same module"? I had studied the etherchannel architecture on the
>5500 series and in fact, the links or ports does need to be configured in a
>bundle of two or four links (contiguous) in the same switch module. Is it a
>model series changed from 5000 to 6000 or just the level of CatIOS feature?
>
>TIA,
>
>David Luong
>CCNP,CCNA,Network+,A+,i-Net+
>Telecommunications Analyst
>Insurance Corporation of B.C.
>Vancouver, B.C CANADA
>
>

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Re: tacacs+ for dial in authenication using CiscoSecure 2.4 for NT

[Richard Lee]

Hello:
Can you send me your configuration ?

Haiping Li
CCIE#4435 CCNP-Security HP Star HP-UX MCNE NCIP MCSE
"mike moran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Hi All,
>
> I'm having difficulty trying to configure a Tacacs+ CiscoSecure 2.4 for NT
> server. I've a 3640 with 60 digi mica modems. The Tacacs server is working
> for my local lan routers and switchs. However when I enable the
> authenication on the lines for dial in access it fails. When I turn on
> debugging I can see remote users coming in and trying to authenicate. But
I
> see a error message which says console port not in use.
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> tnx's in advance
>
> rgrds
>
> Noel
>
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RE: Access-Lists

[Wisin Suhendra Setiady]

Title: Access-Lists



It has 
something to do with DNS.
 
TIPS: 
Access-lists is taken from the word Access Layer from Cisco 3 layer 
system.
With Sincerity, Wisin http://www.ciscosite.com-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Deloso, 
Elmer G.Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 7:52 PMTo: 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: 
Access-ListsHi, all. 
If I can ping an IP address but can't access the 
site via browser, can you tell me where in the access-list this might be 
blocking the site? I can't find any entry that specifically denies www, and 
there is an entry "permit ip A.B.C.D"
for that specific address. Do i need a separate entry 
to allow e-mail as well?Any help is greatly appreciated. 
Elmer Deloso 

RE: BCMSN question

[Wisin Suhendra Setiady]

No, I don't mean it, and  I know exactly that the one from CiscoPress is the
best. Because I refer the BCMSN to the new test version 2.0. And the
previous version would be called CLSC. So there are new things included to
BCMSN version 2.0.

That's why I think it would be better to wait for the new version rather
than buying the old version. It's only my oppinion concerning this, and I am
just wondering if there are significant changes in CCNP version 2.0?

Thanks for you comments.

With Sincerity,
Wisin
http://www.ciscosite.com

-Original Message-
From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:36 PM
To: Wisin Suhendra Setiady
Cc: 'Helena LOW'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: BCMSN question

CiscoPress makes a BCMSN book.are you saying that book is no
good for using on the BCMSN test?  The CiscoPress BCMSN is the book I am
using to prepare for the CCNP 2.0 BCMSN test.

Brian

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Wisin Suhendra Setiady wrote:

> I think this could be a choice:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072124741/wisinshomesweeth
> Rather waiting for the coming one. Right now the CiscoPress is still the
> best
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578702070/wisinshomesweeth
> But it's too late if for taking the exam.
>
> ISL encapsulation
>
> 6506
> set trunk / on isl 1-1005
> set port duplex full
> set port speed 100
>
> 2924
> interface FastEthernet0/
>  duplex full
>  speed 100
>  switchport mode trunk
>
> With Sincerity
> http://www.ciscosite.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Helena LOW
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: BCMSN question
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if someone could tell me how indepth we need to know the
> material in the Cisco press book of BCMSN?  When I was studying for my
> CCNA, I mostly used Todd's book which was enough, but I did take a look at
> the Cisco Press book for CCNA and it was really indepth..I was wondering
> if this is the case for the BCMSN book?  Like would we need to know the
> fields of ISL encapsulation?
>
> Thanks
> Helena

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Lab equipments suggestions need for CCNP & CCIE

[roger lau]

Would someone pls kindly give me a detail equipments list that is
necessary to prepare for CCNP (ver 2.0 ) and will also capable to use
for CCIE in future ?

Also , any good suggestion (Web site , books) to get start after getting all
the equipment ?

 I have only about 1 year experience on routers and I got my CCNA
(ver 1.0 ) using CBT simulation training CD & Sybex.

 I do got a few more bucks to spend, as long as the equipment can let me get
my CCIE eventually, I will rather spend a bit more now than fail the exams
(whether it is written or the lab test ) 

Pls help !!


Regards

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RE: Very good web site for CCNA

[m. jean stockton]

The information at that website is great!   What a great RIPful  way for
Syngress to advertise.  As you said in your previous post, it is not
obsolete info but it is geared for the 640-407.  Who knows what his next
publications will be, but perhaps people will tend to purchase based on how
well the info is presented at that website.  So, who told anybody that the
publisher did not give his permission to publish the information on the web.
Did he do it himself?

mjs

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Priscilla Oppenheimer
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Very good web site for CCNA


To paraphrase Stephen King, think of it this way:

You can't walk into a bookstore and say, "Hey, I bought a copy of 'CCNA
Study Guide' yesterday so now I'm taking 10,000 more copies to give to my
friends." Right?

So you can't publish on the Internet the copy that you bought either.

A library is not a good analogy. A library buys one or two copies and
serially lends it to one person after another. That's pretty different than
giving it to thousands of people all at once. A library has special rights
under the copyright law, but they don't extend to providing the material to
numerous people that would have otherwise bought the book (perhaps).

The publishing industry definitely needs to think of new ways of creatively
making money on the Internet. But let's hope people don't stymie those
efforts by giving away material that is not theirs to give.

OK, let's get back to Cisco questions now.

Priscilla




At 03:43 PM 7/24/00, Brian wrote:

>I am not for anyone commiting theft, so please don't get me wrong.  But
>this brings up some interesting arguments.  Is someone putting a CD in a
>publically accessable document root theft?  Or does it only become theft
>when someone else out there on the Internet decides to download/view
>it?  And then who is the theif, the person that owns and is exporting the
>CD, or the person who does not own and is viewing?
>
>In libraries most works are copywrited, yet they let people check and and
>view the books without paying, how is this different?  I mean how are
>libraries allowed to essentially buy books and then loan them to people
>for freeonce again, don't take this the wrong way, I own all
>my study materials and I find them a great reference, I like new shiny
>books with hardcovers :)), but this is a modern day we live in and it
>brings up new arguments for the digital millenium, and I don't know all
>the answers.
>
>Brian
>
>
>On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>
> > I was really impressed when I first reviewed this online material. It's
so
> > much better than most of the crap that's out there. Then I realized it's
> > the "CCNA Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide" by Syngress!
How
> > could someone publish this online?? It appears to be a flagrant example
of
> > theft.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> >
> > >--  From:   Neelanga Udash  Reply To:   Neelanga
> > >Udash  Sent:   Monday, 24 July, 2000 7:43
> > >AM  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  Subject:Very good web site
> for
> > >CCNA
> > >
> > >Dear all,
> > >
> > >Take a look at this site. There is a whole book of CCNA material
written
> > >by  a CCIE,
> > >
> > >http://www.rkingma.com/cisco
> /testhome.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >***  U.D. Neelanga Udash
Network
> > >Support Analyst
> > >
> > >IT Division  The British Council  49 Alfred House Gardens  Colombo
> > >00300  Sri Lanka
> > >
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> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sup 1 or Sup2 in Cat5xxx ?

[Cisco Wave]

Dear All,

I have a customer who has some cat 5000 with
supervisor.
I am trying to find out if there are supervisor 1 or
2, but it seems tricker than usual.

The maintenace contract shows that the customer did
buy :
Supervisor 1
and Supervisor 2

The switches I am interested in are supposed to have
sup1, according to the contract.

When I look at the actual module, it is labeled
Supervisor with no numbers.
I will imagine it is then supervisor 1, and not
supervisor 2, because sup2 are labeled supervisor II.

However, when I do a 'sho mod' or 'sho ver', the
module comes up as WS-X5509 which is sup2.
This is the confusing part here ...
And the Hardware version shows 1.x, which looks like
sup1 too !

My theory is that the customer did load image CatOS
for sup2, instead of sup1.
Somehow it did work, but it is reporting wrong HW, and
this is why it is showing WS-X5509.

Anybody can help me to find out if they are sup1 or
sup2 ?

Thanks,


=
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CCIE Written

[Roberta J. Flinn]

Hi all,
 
Just passed the CCIE Written. Thanks to everyone who 
contributes to this column. Also thanks to Certificationzone.com. 
 
Can't add much to what has already been said about the exam. I 
used every second of the two hours! Know token ring and switching 
cold!
 
Now the real work starts, On to the big one.
 
Roberta J. FlinnCCDP, CCNA, MCNE, MCSE, CCIE 
writtenSenior I/T Architect

RE: Very good web site for CCNA

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

To paraphrase Stephen King, think of it this way:

You can't walk into a bookstore and say, "Hey, I bought a copy of 'CCNA 
Study Guide' yesterday so now I'm taking 10,000 more copies to give to my 
friends." Right?

So you can't publish on the Internet the copy that you bought either.

A library is not a good analogy. A library buys one or two copies and 
serially lends it to one person after another. That's pretty different than 
giving it to thousands of people all at once. A library has special rights 
under the copyright law, but they don't extend to providing the material to 
numerous people that would have otherwise bought the book (perhaps).

The publishing industry definitely needs to think of new ways of creatively 
making money on the Internet. But let's hope people don't stymie those 
efforts by giving away material that is not theirs to give.

OK, let's get back to Cisco questions now.

Priscilla




At 03:43 PM 7/24/00, Brian wrote:

>I am not for anyone commiting theft, so please don't get me wrong.  But
>this brings up some interesting arguments.  Is someone putting a CD in a
>publically accessable document root theft?  Or does it only become theft
>when someone else out there on the Internet decides to download/view
>it?  And then who is the theif, the person that owns and is exporting the
>CD, or the person who does not own and is viewing?
>
>In libraries most works are copywrited, yet they let people check and and
>view the books without paying, how is this different?  I mean how are
>libraries allowed to essentially buy books and then loan them to people
>for freeonce again, don't take this the wrong way, I own all
>my study materials and I find them a great reference, I like new shiny
>books with hardcovers :)), but this is a modern day we live in and it
>brings up new arguments for the digital millenium, and I don't know all
>the answers.
>
>Brian
>
>
>On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>
> > I was really impressed when I first reviewed this online material. It's so
> > much better than most of the crap that's out there. Then I realized it's
> > the "CCNA Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide" by Syngress! How
> > could someone publish this online?? It appears to be a flagrant example of
> > theft.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> >
> > >--  From:   Neelanga Udash  Reply To:   Neelanga
> > >Udash  Sent:   Monday, 24 July, 2000 7:43
> > >AM  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  Subject:Very good web site 
> for
> > >CCNA
> > >
> > >Dear all,
> > >
> > >Take a look at this site. There is a whole book of CCNA material written
> > >by  a CCIE,
> > >
> > >http://www.rkingma.com/cisco 
> /testhome.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >***  U.D. Neelanga Udash  Network
> > >Support Analyst
> > >
> > >IT Division  The British Council  49 Alfred House Gardens  Colombo
> > >00300  Sri Lanka
> > >
> > >Tel:  +94 (0)1 581171 (ext.260)  Fax: +94 (0)1 587079  E-mail:
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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new CCNP 2.0!

[Daniel Ji]

Hi, guys:

Just want to let all of you know that I just passed Support 2.0 today(873),
which makes me a newly-minted CCNP. I'm happy now but somehow not like what
I had expected. I just want to thank everybody here in the group who had
share their thoughts and expertise, it has given me lots of momentum to keep
studying, and confidence to face tough tests.

For those who may wonder how my journey was like, here's something to share
with you guys...
1)CCNA 1.0, 3/27/00
a good test in that it tests your knowledge of bacis networking, helped me
clarify some vague points in my head when I was preparing it. I got 934 on
the test.
2)Routing 2.0,6/19/00
Very good and fair test, I say this because I didn't read any test cram
books, I studied Jeff Dole's Routing TCP/IP and Halabi's BGP book, I think
you will be doing fine in this test if you understand the material, not just
remember. I took a 890 on this test.
3)Switching 2.0,   7/10/00
Again good test, I read Cisco LAN-swicthing by Kennedy Clark. I would highly
recommend Clark's book for study of this test, it covers all the test
objectives in BCMSN. This book is good because it's easy to understand and
yet explain the difficult technology throughly. I got a 846 for this one.
4)Remote 2.0,7/17/00
The easiest test. I focused myself on Cisco BCRAN book. That should be all
you need to pass the test. Don't forget to stduy hard on DDR, ISDN, PPP,
Frame-relay stuff I scored 875 on the test.
5)Support 2.0,7/24/00
I think I had some difficulties to understand some of the questions in the
test. Because the wording is so strange for at least 2 Qs. But just use your
common networking sense you will be fine, my 3 year router experience really
helped. I just browsed through CIT book to bruch up my head for the test.
873 on this one.

So, that's about it.  I guess my next step will be CVOICE and CCIE written.
Anyone who knows these two tests please drop me a line or two, that would be
greatly appreciated!!

Good luck to all of us!!!

Daniel Ji
CCNP



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RE: Passed COD

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

Hey, try saying that you teach computer networking to people! ;-) Everyone 
says, "Oh, you teach people how to use the Internet?" I answer, "No, I 
teach the engineers that build the Internet." Then I get blank stares. ;-) 
It's frustrating.

Priscilla

At 04:27 PM 7/24/00, Chris Larson wrote:
>I can sympathize. Congratulations it is a big deal. I too do not find many
>people to talk to or get excited about what I do. It seems to be that way
>for many many engineers. I have resolved to simply saying "I work with
>computers" when people ask me what I do because even if I explain it to them
>they still don't understand and telling them I work with CPU's is just
>simpler. It is not a job that you can go home and talk about. "Yeah honey,
>it was cool. I built 3 3-DES VPNS between several branch offices, but it was
>frustrating because I somehow messed up the OSPF tables". WTF are you
>talking about??
>
>My uncle is a Doctor and when he says I sewed someones arm back on everyone
>understands. If you say I attatched a router to a network (the simplest of
>terms)nobody knows what you really did and how neat that really is, or more
>importantly all the things it will allow that comany to accomplish.
>
>
>Well hey!! I understand, and even if everyone else doesn't understand, we
>build networks, we make the internet happen, and we enable the people we
>work for to do so many incredible things. It is very very important work.
>
>Again CONGRATS
>
>
>AUX0
>CCNP +Security
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Dennis Laganiere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:44 PM
>To: 'CLAXTON, TIMOTHY A. (AIT)'; 'Group Study'
>Subject: RE: Passed COD
>
>
>I sympathize with you about your spouse not understanding what you've
>accomplished.  My wife has said she hasn't understood a thing I've said
>since I stopped working with servers five years ago :-)
>
>Let me offer a warm and heartfelt (virtual) hug of acceptance and respect...
> - Dennis Laganiere
>
>-Original Message-
>From: CLAXTON, TIMOTHY A. (AIT)
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 8:27 PM
>To: 'Group Study'
>Subject: Passed CCDP
>
>
>I just thought I would drop a quick note to let the group know that I passed
>CID on Friday gaining me my CCDP.
>I started pursuing this certification earlier this year when I took a new
>job. Now that I have passed, I don't have the excitement that I thought I
>would have. Don't get me wrong, I am very excited and relieved that I am
>past it now. The problem is that I don't have anyone close to share the
>excitement with. My wife was happy for me but she, as well as the rest of my
>family, doesn't really understand what I have accomplished.
>Does anyone else feel similar?
>
>Anywhoo, here is my path to CCDP.
>I took the CCDP 2.0 path.
>Jan 2000 - Passed BCMSN beta. I studied CLSC course book a little. Not much
>help for this test. I did have lots of hands on including 29xx and 5500
>switches. Know spanning tree, Cisco multicast, MLS, VTP, ISL etc.
>
>April 2000 - Passed DCN test for CCDA. I studied DCN CD. Not to difficult.
>
>June 2000 - Passed BCSN. I studied the Cisco Press ACRC book. Skip WAN, IPX
>and AppleTalk stuff. Read Cisco's BGP tutorial on CCO. Just search on "BGP
>TUTORIAL". Know OSPF and EIGRP.
>
>June 2000 - Passed BCRAN. The group said this was the easiest but I thought
>it was fairly difficult. I used Cisco Press BCRAN book.
>
>July 2000 - Passed CID. This was also difficult. I used the Cisco Press CID
>book. Study Cisco's ATM product guide.
>Know specs on ATM gear.
>
>I hope to take CIT in August. I may take this class just because the hands
>on will be good practice for CCIE.
>
>Thanks to the group for all of your posts.
>
>Tim Claxton CCDP CCNA
>Systems Design Engineer
>SBC DataComm
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RE: acrc

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

Cisco doesn't use adaptive testing, which I think is what the person wanted 
to know. Information on which questions you missed is not saved, as far as 
I know. Information on which topics you appear to be bad is not saved either.

If you think about the complexities of a testing system that would present 
a harder test the second time you take it, I think you'll realize that it's 
doubtful Cisco's system has such complexities. They can barely handle the 
complexities of giving us valid tests, for heaven's sake! ;-)

Priscilla


At 04:15 PM 7/24/00, Chris Larson wrote:
>That would depend on your knowledge of the material. They change the
>questions so if you get more questions on topics you do not know about then
>yes the tests get harder the second time. If the second time you get more
>questions on topics you know then they get easier.
>
>Harder is a matter of perspective in the test. The material covered is
>always the same, the questions are just different.
>
>
>AUX0
>CCNP +Security
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Amit Lilani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:01 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: acrc
>
>
>hi to all,
>
>i repeat
>do the exams get more tougher on the second attempt.. ???
>
>secondly i got a question on network congestion did not know what the ans
>is...  i answered the client server application will run slowly... can u
>help me with that question...
>
>and also one questions  which router sends the external AS Lsa's is it
>abr/asbr/backbone router have no clues... please help...
>
>thanks
>amit
>
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RE: Very good web site for CCNA

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

  04:20 PM 7/24/00, you wrote:
>Not sure, but wouldn't it be considered obsolete by July 31 anyway.


The material in the book is not obsolete. It's all still relevant for 
someone who supports a typical Cisco internetwork.

Even if were obsolete, it's not legal to publish it without the publisher's 
permission.

Publishing houses and authors try to scrape out a living writing books. We 
aren't Stephen King. We can't afford to give away our writing for $1. We 
need people to buy the books. ;-)

The same applies to CertificationZone, by the way. They SELL their 
material. What gives someone the right to give it away for free?

If you want free stuff, it's out there. A lot of it sucks, but some of it's 
pretty good.

Priscilla



>mjs
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:40 PM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'Neelanga Udash'
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Very good web site for CCNA
> >
> >
> > I was really impressed when I first reviewed this online
> > material. It's so
> > much better than most of the crap that's out there. Then I realized it's
> > the "CCNA Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide" by Syngress! How
> > could someone publish this online?? It appears to be a flagrant
> > example of
> > theft.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> >
> > >--  From:   Neelanga Udash  Reply To:   Neelanga
> > >Udash  Sent:   Monday, 24 July, 2000 7:43
> > >AM  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  Subject:Very good
> > web site for
> > >CCNA
> > >
> > >Dear all,
> > >
> > >Take a look at this site. There is a whole book of CCNA material written
> > >by  a CCIE,
> > >
> > >http://www.rkingma.com
>/cisco/testhome.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: HSRP and consecutive addressing

[Odell, Jeff]

AFAIK, the addresses can be anything from the same network.  I traditionally
use .1 as the virtual address, and .2 and .3 as the addresses of the devices
running HSRP.   Since you configure each device to run HSRP and tell both
the standby IP address I don't see why the addresses you have available will
not work.

If the HSRP functionality is being added to an existing production network,
you might consider using the current client default gateway as the virtual
address.  That way you don't need to visit all the clients to see which
one's are hard coded versus DHCP.

Jeff Odell
CCNA CCDA

-Original Message-
From: Rue Barb the Tangled [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: HSRP and consecutive addressing


Well, this didn't post the first time, so I'll try again.

When implementing HSRP with IP addressing, do the addresses need to be 
consecutive?  Every sample I've seen lists 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 (or some 
variant) as the router addy's and 10.0.0.3 as the virtual address.

In the real world, however, where HSRP is an afterthought and not planned, 
the people who put in static addresses and default gateways don't leave 3 ip

addresses in a block to use.  (Obviously they'll have to be the same subnet,

of course) - and they want the old ip addresses on a router to be new the 
virtual addy's now -

So could I use 10.0.0.5 and 10.0.0.18 with a virtual addy of 10.0.0.144? 
(assuming 255.255.255.0 subnetmask, of course)

No useful info on CCO, so any advice would be appreciated.

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EtherChannel on 6500 Series

[Luong, David]

Hi Folks:

Why is that on the software documentation on the 6000/6500 series of the
Catalyst switches say "Ports in an EtherChannel need not be contiguous
or on the same module"? I had studied the etherchannel architecture on the
5500 series and in fact, the links or ports does need to be configured in a
bundle of two or four links (contiguous) in the same switch module. Is it a
model series changed from 5000 to 6000 or just the level of CatIOS feature?

TIA,

David Luong
CCNP,CCNA,Network+,A+,i-Net+
Telecommunications Analyst
Insurance Corporation of B.C.
Vancouver, B.C CANADA


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RE: Very good web site for CCNA

[Ole Drews Jensen]

That's kind of an interesting subject we have going on here.

I do not know the answer, but I do remember years ago when I lived in
Denmark and was a very often user of ProComm and Telix where I daily dialed
in to various BBS's around the country.

At first, it was not against the law the put any copyrighted software on the
BBS server, but it was against the law to download it. Later on it got
changed so it was against the law to have it on a server, and if you dialed
in, you were not allowed to upload any copyrighted software.

This brings me even further back to when the Danish telco owned the rights
to phones. Well, it was not illegal for stores to sell other brands, but it
was illegal for customers to buy them.

No matter what the deal is, the fact that we all should remember is that it
is illegal to use copyrighted software without a license. I started out as a
programmer (I'm still programming), and I know how it would suck if people
just copied my software after I had put many hours into it.

Just my $0.02

Ole


 Ole Drews Jensen
 Systems Network Manager
 CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
 RWR Enterprises, Inc.
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-Original Message-
From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:43 PM
To: Priscilla Oppenheimer
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Subject: RE: Very good web site for CCNA



I am not for anyone commiting theft, so please don't get me wrong.  But
this brings up some interesting arguments.  Is someone putting a CD in a
publically accessable document root theft?  Or does it only become theft
when someone else out there on the Internet decides to download/view
it?  And then who is the theif, the person that owns and is exporting the
CD, or the person who does not own and is viewing?

In libraries most works are copywrited, yet they let people check and and
view the books without paying, how is this different?  I mean how are
libraries allowed to essentially buy books and then loan them to people
for freeonce again, don't take this the wrong way, I own all
my study materials and I find them a great reference, I like new shiny
books with hardcovers :)), but this is a modern day we live in and it
brings up new arguments for the digital millenium, and I don't know all
the answers.

Brian


On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:

> I was really impressed when I first reviewed this online material. It's so

> much better than most of the crap that's out there. Then I realized it's 
> the "CCNA Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide" by Syngress! How 
> could someone publish this online?? It appears to be a flagrant example of

> theft.
> 
> Priscilla
> 
> 
> 
> >--  From:   Neelanga Udash  Reply To:   Neelanga 
> >Udash  Sent:   Monday, 24 July, 2000 7:43 
> >AM  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  Subject:Very good web site
for 
> >CCNA
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >Take a look at this site. There is a whole book of CCNA material written 
> >by  a CCIE,
> >
>
>http://www.rkingma.com/cisco/tes
thome.htm 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: difference between PIX and IOS Firewall

[Cisco Certified]

HI Jim 
 
Well beside the mail difference between IOS and PIx Firewall that you have 
mentioned is that IOS Firewall is a part of Security implementation whereas PIX 
Firewall is completely a Firewall Solution for an Organization.It  can 
support from 64,000 to 256,000 simultaneous connections.Its specially designed 
algorithms like Adaptive Security Algorithm which is the heart of PIX 
firewall,makes it the perfect Firewall solution and also the Cut through Proxy 
Feature makes it the most secure firewall.The PIX firewall Manager is a Java 
based application that makes it easier to maintain the highest security in an 
easy way. These features are not provided in the IOS.
 
Hope this helps

Re: MAC Addresses

[Howard C. Berkowitz]

>What does it mean to say that the Catalyst 1912 has 1024 MAC Addresses,
>while the Catalyst 2828 has 8192 MAC Addresses.
>Can anyone please explain?
>Thanks in advance.
>Reply to,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

You touch on what is an interesting problem in product design, which 
shows why products differentiate.

Specifically, this refers to the size of the MAC address lookup table 
on the bridge.  It doesn't mean that there can only be 1024 or 8192 
MAC addresses defined, only that many that the switch will handle 
quickly by knowing immediately whether to block or forward the frame.

Cisco and Bay(Nortel) have taken different approaches to MAC tables. 
Neither one is best under all circumstances.  Cisco defines a table 
for the entire switch, which is used by all broadcast domains. 
Nortel defines a separate 1K table to each port.

Let's say you are brought in to fix a horribly performing campus 
network that has 1000 active hosts in a broadcast domain. Fits easily 
into 1K. In a calm, rational way,  you split that single domain into 
four subnets. 250 each. No problem.

But each subnet then goes through 20% growth, giving 300 hosts per 
domain.  Weird and unpredictable performance starts occurring, as the 
four subnets compete for slots in the cache.  In this case, if you 
know the subnets will individually have no more than 1K MAC 
addresses, the guaranteed 1K of the Bay switch is much more 
predictable.  Do you have a sane, managed policy about growth?  To 
coin a phrase, It Depends.

Return to the problem of a horribly performing campus network, but 
assume this time that it has 4000 hosts -- quite possible with FDDI. 
Connect a Bay switch to this, and it will be in immediate trouble. So 
will a Cat 1912.  But a 2828 will handle the total number of hosts in 
a reasonably predictable manner.

"What Problem are you trying to solve?"
***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not 
directly to me***

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Senior Product Manager, Carrier Packet Solutions, NortelNetworks (for ID only)
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HSRP and consecutive addressing

[Rue Barb the Tangled]

Well, this didn't post the first time, so I'll try again.

When implementing HSRP with IP addressing, do the addresses need to be 
consecutive?  Every sample I've seen lists 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 (or some 
variant) as the router addy's and 10.0.0.3 as the virtual address.

In the real world, however, where HSRP is an afterthought and not planned, 
the people who put in static addresses and default gateways don't leave 3 ip 
addresses in a block to use.  (Obviously they'll have to be the same subnet, 
of course) - and they want the old ip addresses on a router to be new the 
virtual addy's now -

So could I use 10.0.0.5 and 10.0.0.18 with a virtual addy of 10.0.0.144? 
(assuming 255.255.255.0 subnetmask, of course)

No useful info on CCO, so any advice would be appreciated.

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RDNS through Cisco AS 5300

[Steve Allwine]

Is there any trick to getting Redirected DNIS through an AS5300.
Here is the situation. A call goes to a phone, the phone is busy, and gets
redirected to the AS5300 to be forwarded on to the voicemail system.
Using Debug we can see the ANI (the orginal caller), the DNIS (my number -
the 5300), but the RDNS (the number of the phone that forwarded the call)
does not show.
I did not think that anything special needed to be configured on the AS5300,
but I assume that everything should be set over the PRI line to the AS5300.

Does anyone have any knowledge in this area?

Steve Allwine
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CCNA (Some help)

[Mohammed Hakim]

Hello group,
 
I have some questions if anyone can help me .. and 
Thanks :)
 
1) In the ICRC Cisco book .. at page 47 (The 
Ethernet/802.3 ..) 100BaseT4 is a 100-Mbps .. of Ethernet using four-pair 
Category 3,4 or 5 cabling.  
But in the Internetworking Technologies Handbook 
(Second Edition) at page 103 (100BaseT4) .. run over existing Category 3 wiring, 
.. four pairs of cabling .. uses the half-duplex 4T + signalling 
scheme.
What is the Correct support cables category 3 only 
or 3, 4 or 5.
 
2) what is the 100BaseT2 ?? (It use Category 3,4 or 
5 UTP)
 
3) Does the Token Ring (IEEE 802.5) support 
Multicasts (sending packets to a group of devices) in some book I red that 
Multicasts is supported on an Ethernet or FDDI LAN (not allowed on Token Ring) 
but broadcast is allowed on all LAN types. Take a note the in the ICRC cisco 
book page 59 (Token Ring supports broadcasting and multicasting .. Multicasting 
is used to send packets to special ...etc) 
Any Help Please .. I am confuse
 
4) Is the Switch is faster then the Bridge .. 
Why??
 
5) Is the IP Datagram header are important (Ex: 
VERS, HLEN ... etc)
 
I hope I can make it in the 640-407 exam 
before it retire.  I think some diffrence between 640-407 & 640-507 
that the passing score is 755 (640-407) and 822 (640-507) any idea .. i hope it 
does not be 850 !!!
 
Thanks .. 
:)
 
Mohammed Hakim
 
 

Re: Part 1 - BGP Certzone white paper

[Vern Stitt]

Hey Group,

Just my $.02.

Since I joined this group, I am constantly impressed by the quality of it's
members. This includes not only CCNPs and CCIEs, but published authors on
various Cisco or networking related subjects.  I would personally expect a
lot of posts saying "The answer is in my book. buy my book!"

But that is not the case at all.  These people spend hours explaining things
to newbies and intermediates who are trying hard but missing a few fine
points.

I say, if you get a chance, buy something from them! As only a single
example, if you want a copy of Howard's paper, join CertificationZone. We
have all read hundreds of dollars worth of his explanations free on this
news group. If you get half a chance, buy something with his name on it or
something with access to his white papers!

I bought Priscilla's book "Top Down Network Design", not only because of the
reviews but because of her excellent posts to this group.

I won't go on and on even though I could. I'm sure you all get my point by
now!

Vern Stitt
AE, ASE, CCNA, MCSE


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> I'm sure there are several people on this list who 1) may have downloaded
a
> copy of this paper at the time it was offered for free or 2) subscribed to
> CertificationZone and have received this paper in the mail. ( subscription
> also entitles one to download back issues and previous months' white
> papers. )
>
> Let me first state that I am not unsympathetic to the cost of training
> materials, and the difficulty to obtain such. That said, I am quite
> sympathetic to the concept of copyright protection, and protection of
> intellectual property.
>
> There are many alternatives which can keep one within the bounds of
> fairness, if not legality. Form a Study Group, and split the cost of a
> subscription with several friends. Content oneself with the MANY excellent
> materials available for free on the internet  (  for example
> http://joe.lindsay.net/bgp.html )
>
> But please, don't ask folks here to do things that, in my opinion, at
least,
> should not be done.
>
> Chuck
>
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> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:16 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Part 1 - BGP Certzone white paper
>
> Hi,
>   Is there anyone out there with a copy of Part 1 Bgp of Certification
> Zone's Whitepaper
>
>  Please mail me a copy, this will be well appriciated.
>
> Kerry
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Re: DHCP on Router!!

[Minh Vu]

check if you have this command line:
Router(config)# ip dhcp pool net-172 and press Enter

If it reply with this mode then your router have DHCP server service:
Router(config-dhcp)#
and follow this url to config:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft/120
t/120t1/easyip2.htm#xtocid231010

If it reply with error or DID NOT get into that mode (router(config)#) then
your router don't have DHCP server services.

Even on Cisco site said that support (ie. 2500, 1000), but it have on
CERTAIN model.  I believe DHCP server service option that on ISDN interface.

Please correct me if I'm wrong and show me how to config on 2501 or 1005.



- Original Message -
From: "Taylor, Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'ZAPP, JULIAN F (PB)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "cgs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: DHCP on Router!!


> Hey, Julian! =)
>
> I found the following URL that shows what output you *should* see:
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft/120
> t/120t1/easyip2.htm#xtocid2310242 (watch the wrap).
>
> How do you have it set up? I'm assuming you've got a router configured as
a
> DHCP server and are watching the console output as a computer configured
for
> DHCP boots while directly plugged into the e0 interface.
>
> Have you seen any traffic? Do you see the DHCDISCOVER packet coming from
the
> PC, for example?
>
> - Don
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ZAPP, JULIAN F (PB) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:00 PM
> To: swapnil; jeongwoo park; cgs
> Subject: RE: DHCP on Router!!
>
>
> I have turned on debug DHCP on several routers platforms and different
> 12.x(x) versions, but have yet to get any response.  Has anyone seen the
> debug output for DHCP.
>
> My work around is to use an access list for the DHCP packet.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: swapnil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 10:31 PM
> To: jeongwoo park
> Cc: cgs
> Subject: Re: DHCP on Router!!
>
>
> IOS 12.0(1)T
>
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: Groupstudy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 6:20 AM
> Subject: DHCP on Router!!
>
>
> Hi all
> I heard that router had DHCP function.
> Is that true?
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RE: Stub Areas

[Taylor, Don]

Here are a couple, from our own archives:

http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/cisco/22/msg00701.html
http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/cisco/22/msg00653.html

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From: Brandon Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Stub Areas


Is there a site that breaks down all the areas like, stubby, not so stubby,
totally stubby and totally not so stubby?  I went over it in BSCN and seem
to be having a hard time reviewing it.

Thanks.




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RE: Part 1 - BGP Certzone white paper

[Chuck Larrieu]

I'm sure there are several people on this list who 1) may have downloaded a
copy of this paper at the time it was offered for free or 2) subscribed to
CertificationZone and have received this paper in the mail. ( subscription
also entitles one to download back issues and previous months' white
papers. )

Let me first state that I am not unsympathetic to the cost of training
materials, and the difficulty to obtain such. That said, I am quite
sympathetic to the concept of copyright protection, and protection of
intellectual property.

There are many alternatives which can keep one within the bounds of
fairness, if not legality. Form a Study Group, and split the cost of a
subscription with several friends. Content oneself with the MANY excellent
materials available for free on the internet  (  for example
http://joe.lindsay.net/bgp.html )

But please, don't ask folks here to do things that, in my opinion, at least,
should not be done.

Chuck

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kikpasa
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Hi,
  Is there anyone out there with a copy of Part 1 Bgp of Certification
Zone's Whitepaper

 Please mail me a copy, this will be well appriciated.

Kerry

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Stub Areas

[Brandon Carroll]

Is there a site that breaks down all the areas like, stubby, not so stubby,
totally stubby and totally not so stubby?  I went over it in BSCN and seem
to be having a hard time reviewing it.

Thanks.




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Fwd: Gateway vs L3

[HOOPSKANE1]

Sorry everyone,

I was trying to send this to jobs@groupstudy not Cisco. Sorry to 
inconvenience anyone..

Sean

In a message dated 7/24/00 2:34:58 PM Mountain Daylight Time, HOOPSKANE1 
writes:

<< Subj:Gateway vs L3
 Date:  7/24/00 2:34:58 PM Mountain Daylight Time
 From:  HOOPSKANE1
 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I recently graduated with a BS in Computer Networking and I just got my 
CCNA. I was working for Lucent as a Systems Application Specialist but 
recently left. I accepted a position with Level 3 Communications as a 
Telecommunications Consulting Manager. I will be receiving calls from 
customers to fix their problems. I will have a group of dedicated customers. 
I took this position so I could get some hands on experience with routers. 
The position is M-F 8am - 5 PM. 
 Last week I received an offer from Gateway for about 7,000 more, but at L3 I 
will get $5,800 bonus + $12,000 in stock options. The job at Gateway is 
called a Sr. Design Engineer. The job is more what I want to do, but Gateway 
is not very big in Colorado and the hours I would be working would be nights 
and weekends. The job at L3 is not as appealing because I would be dealing 
with customers, but after I do it for a year, I can move on to a different 
position with L3.Also, L3 is close by my house and Gateway is about 25 miles 
away.
 Does anyone have any advice on this. Do you take the better job now or look 
at the future with a company. The guy at Gateway is willing to teach me a lot 
of design stuff hands on.
 
 Thanks.. >>




I recently graduated with a BS in Computer Networking and I just got my CCNA. 
I was working for Lucent as a Systems Application Specialist but recently 
left. I accepted a position with Level 3 Communications as a 
Telecommunications Consulting Manager. I will be receiving calls from 
customers to fix their problems. I will have a group of dedicated customers. 
I took this position so I could get some hands on experience with routers. 
The position is M-F 8am - 5 PM. 
Last week I received an offer from Gateway for about 7,000 more, but at L3 I 
will get $5,800 bonus + $12,000 in stock options. The job at Gateway is 
called a Sr. Design Engineer. The job is more what I want to do, but Gateway 
is not very big in Colorado and the hours I would be working would be nights 
and weekends. The job at L3 is not as appealing because I would be dealing 
with customers, but after I do it for a year, I can move on to a different 
position with L3.Also, L3 is close by my house and Gateway is about 25 miles 
away.
Does anyone have any advice on this. Do you take the better job now or look 
at the future with a company. The guy at Gateway is willing to teach me a lot 
of design stuff hands on.

Thanks..

RE: Very good web site for CCNA

[Brian]

I am not for anyone commiting theft, so please don't get me wrong.  But
this brings up some interesting arguments.  Is someone putting a CD in a
publically accessable document root theft?  Or does it only become theft
when someone else out there on the Internet decides to download/view
it?  And then who is the theif, the person that owns and is exporting the
CD, or the person who does not own and is viewing?

In libraries most works are copywrited, yet they let people check and and
view the books without paying, how is this different?  I mean how are
libraries allowed to essentially buy books and then loan them to people
for freeonce again, don't take this the wrong way, I own all
my study materials and I find them a great reference, I like new shiny
books with hardcovers :)), but this is a modern day we live in and it
brings up new arguments for the digital millenium, and I don't know all
the answers.

Brian


On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:

> I was really impressed when I first reviewed this online material. It's so 
> much better than most of the crap that's out there. Then I realized it's 
> the "CCNA Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide" by Syngress! How 
> could someone publish this online?? It appears to be a flagrant example of 
> theft.
> 
> Priscilla
> 
> 
> 
> >--  From:   Neelanga Udash  Reply To:   Neelanga 
> >Udash  Sent:   Monday, 24 July, 2000 7:43 
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> >CCNA
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> >Dear all,
> >
> >Take a look at this site. There is a whole book of CCNA material written 
> >by  a CCIE,
> >
> 
>>http://www.rkingma.com/cisco/testhome.htm 
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RE: DHCP on Router!!

[Taylor, Don]

Hey, Julian! =)

I found the following URL that shows what output you *should* see:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft/120
t/120t1/easyip2.htm#xtocid2310242 (watch the wrap).

How do you have it set up? I'm assuming you've got a router configured as a
DHCP server and are watching the console output as a computer configured for
DHCP boots while directly plugged into the e0 interface.

Have you seen any traffic? Do you see the DHCDISCOVER packet coming from the
PC, for example?

- Don

-Original Message-
From: ZAPP, JULIAN F (PB) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:00 PM
To: swapnil; jeongwoo park; cgs
Subject: RE: DHCP on Router!!


I have turned on debug DHCP on several routers platforms and different
12.x(x) versions, but have yet to get any response.  Has anyone seen the
debug output for DHCP.  

My work around is to use an access list for the DHCP packet.




-Original Message-
From: swapnil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 10:31 PM
To: jeongwoo park
Cc: cgs
Subject: Re: DHCP on Router!!


IOS 12.0(1)T


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Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 6:20 AM
Subject: DHCP on Router!!


Hi all
I heard that router had DHCP function.
Is that true?
if it is, which version is that?

Thanks in adv


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Gateway vs L3

[HOOPSKANE1]

I recently graduated with a BS in Computer Networking and I just got my CCNA. 
I was working for Lucent as a Systems Application Specialist but recently 
left. I accepted a position with Level 3 Communications as a 
Telecommunications Consulting Manager. I will be receiving calls from 
customers to fix their problems. I will have a group of dedicated customers. 
I took this position so I could get some hands on experience with routers. 
The position is M-F 8am - 5 PM. 
Last week I received an offer from Gateway for about 7,000 more, but at L3 I 
will get $5,800 bonus + $12,000 in stock options. The job at Gateway is 
called a Sr. Design Engineer. The job is more what I want to do, but Gateway 
is not very big in Colorado and the hours I would be working would be nights 
and weekends. The job at L3 is not as appealing because I would be dealing 
with customers, but after I do it for a year, I can move on to a different 
position with L3.Also, L3 is close by my house and Gateway is about 25 miles 
away.
Does anyone have any advice on this. Do you take the better job now or look 
at the future with a company. The guy at Gateway is willing to teach me a lot 
of design stuff hands on.

Thanks..

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RE: Passed COD

[Chris Larson]

I can sympathize. Congratulations it is a big deal. I too do not find many
people to talk to or get excited about what I do. It seems to be that way
for many many engineers. I have resolved to simply saying "I work with
computers" when people ask me what I do because even if I explain it to them
they still don't understand and telling them I work with CPU's is just
simpler. It is not a job that you can go home and talk about. "Yeah honey,
it was cool. I built 3 3-DES VPNS between several branch offices, but it was
frustrating because I somehow messed up the OSPF tables". WTF are you
talking about??

My uncle is a Doctor and when he says I sewed someones arm back on everyone
understands. If you say I attatched a router to a network (the simplest of
terms)nobody knows what you really did and how neat that really is, or more
importantly all the things it will allow that comany to accomplish.


Well hey!! I understand, and even if everyone else doesn't understand, we
build networks, we make the internet happen, and we enable the people we
work for to do so many incredible things. It is very very important work.

Again CONGRATS


AUX0
CCNP +Security


-Original Message-
From: Dennis Laganiere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:44 PM
To: 'CLAXTON, TIMOTHY A. (AIT)'; 'Group Study'
Subject: RE: Passed COD


I sympathize with you about your spouse not understanding what you've
accomplished.  My wife has said she hasn't understood a thing I've said
since I stopped working with servers five years ago :-)

Let me offer a warm and heartfelt (virtual) hug of acceptance and respect...
- Dennis Laganiere

-Original Message-
From: CLAXTON, TIMOTHY A. (AIT)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 8:27 PM
To: 'Group Study'
Subject: Passed CCDP


I just thought I would drop a quick note to let the group know that I passed
CID on Friday gaining me my CCDP.
I started pursuing this certification earlier this year when I took a new
job. Now that I have passed, I don't have the excitement that I thought I
would have. Don't get me wrong, I am very excited and relieved that I am
past it now. The problem is that I don't have anyone close to share the
excitement with. My wife was happy for me but she, as well as the rest of my
family, doesn't really understand what I have accomplished. 
Does anyone else feel similar?

Anywhoo, here is my path to CCDP.
I took the CCDP 2.0 path.
Jan 2000 - Passed BCMSN beta. I studied CLSC course book a little. Not much
help for this test. I did have lots of hands on including 29xx and 5500
switches. Know spanning tree, Cisco multicast, MLS, VTP, ISL etc.

April 2000 - Passed DCN test for CCDA. I studied DCN CD. Not to difficult.

June 2000 - Passed BCSN. I studied the Cisco Press ACRC book. Skip WAN, IPX
and AppleTalk stuff. Read Cisco's BGP tutorial on CCO. Just search on "BGP
TUTORIAL". Know OSPF and EIGRP.

June 2000 - Passed BCRAN. The group said this was the easiest but I thought
it was fairly difficult. I used Cisco Press BCRAN book.

July 2000 - Passed CID. This was also difficult. I used the Cisco Press CID
book. Study Cisco's ATM product guide.
Know specs on ATM gear.

I hope to take CIT in August. I may take this class just because the hands
on will be good practice for CCIE.

Thanks to the group for all of your posts. 

Tim Claxton CCDP CCNA
Systems Design Engineer
SBC DataComm
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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what else to pass support 640-506

[Favio T]

I have the EXAM cram for 506 by coriolis and I printed out the whole 
INTERNETWORk TROUBLESHOOTING GUIDE FROM CISCO, The 506 books by Syngress and 
Sybex  aren't out till Sept.  This is what they told me when I called barnes 
and Noble.  Does any one know where I can find these books or will what I 
have be enough ??

Thanks
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RE: Very good web site for CCNA

[Jean Stockton]

Not sure, but wouldn't it be considered obsolete by July 31 anyway.


mjs

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:40 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'Neelanga Udash'
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Very good web site for CCNA
>
>
> I was really impressed when I first reviewed this online
> material. It's so
> much better than most of the crap that's out there. Then I realized it's
> the "CCNA Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide" by Syngress! How
> could someone publish this online?? It appears to be a flagrant
> example of
> theft.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
> >--  From:   Neelanga Udash  Reply To:   Neelanga
> >Udash  Sent:   Monday, 24 July, 2000 7:43
> >AM  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  Subject:Very good
> web site for
> >CCNA
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >Take a look at this site. There is a whole book of CCNA material written
> >by  a CCIE,
> >
> >http://www.rkingma.com
/cisco/testhome.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: acrc

[Chris Larson]

That would depend on your knowledge of the material. They change the
questions so if you get more questions on topics you do not know about then
yes the tests get harder the second time. If the second time you get more
questions on topics you know then they get easier.

Harder is a matter of perspective in the test. The material covered is
always the same, the questions are just different.


AUX0
CCNP +Security

-Original Message-
From: Amit Lilani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: acrc


hi to all,

i repeat
do the exams get more tougher on the second attempt.. ???

secondly i got a question on network congestion did not know what the ans
is...  i answered the client server application will run slowly... can u
help me with that question...

and also one questions  which router sends the external AS Lsa's is it
abr/asbr/backbone router have no clues... please help...

thanks
amit


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Re: www.ccprep.com FastTracks??

[Billy Monroe]

I bought CCNA fastrack and ACRC. They were very heplful. What I liked was
the technical support provided by ccprep guys.

I am not sure if I will buy more though - it seems Boson tests are also good
and much cheaper than ccprep.

Hope that helps.

Billy
CCNA, Compaq ASE, MCP


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> Has anyone tried any of the FastTrack supscriptions at www.ccprep.com?  If
> so, was it usefull for you?  I'm thinking of purchasing a few at one time,
> but would like some feedback.
>
> TIA,
> Dave
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RE: Reverse telneting to a console port

[Chris Larson]

You can reverse telnet to any line.  Do a show line, take thge line # of the
device you want to telnet to and add 2000. That will be the port of the
device.  So if I have an async or line 65 and my router is ip 192.168.2.2, I
can reverse telnet to the modem by doing a telnet 192.168.2.2 2065

It will work the same for the console port.

AUX0
CCNP +Security



-Original Message-
From: Chuck Church [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:30 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Reverse telneting to a console port


All,

Can anyone tell me how to setup reverse telnet on a 2511 to connect to
the console port of another router?  I have the octal cable with RJ45
directly plugged into the console port of another.  Is a x-over needed on
this cable?  I can't seem to find how to do it on CCO.  I did notice that if
I have the first 3 lines connected to routers, and do a port scan on the
2511, I don't see it listening on ports 2001-2003.  If I unplug the RJ45s
from the other routers, the port is listening.  Here's my partial 2511
config:

interface Loopback0
 ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
!
.
!
line con 0
 password cisco
 login
 transport input none
line 1
 modem InOut
 transport input telnet
 stopbits 1
 speed 38400
 flowcontrol hardware
line 2 16
 modem InOut
 transport input all
 stopbits 1
 flowcontrol hardware
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
 password cisco
 login
!

SH LINE 1 looks like this:

2511# sh line 1
 Tty Typ Tx/RxA Modem  Roty AccO AccI   Uses   Noise  Overruns   Int
*  1 TTY  38400/38400 - inout ---  0   0 0/0   -

Line 1, Location: "", Type: ""
Length: 24 lines, Width: 80 columns
Baud rate (TX/RX) is 38400/38400, no parity, 1 stopbits, 8 databits
Status: Ready, Active, No Exit Banner
Capabilities: Hardware Flowcontrol In, Hardware Flowcontrol Out
  Modem Callout, Modem RI is CD
Modem state: Ready
Group codes:0
Modem hardware state: CTS DSR  DTR RTS
Special Chars: Escape  Hold  Stop  Start  Disconnect  Activation
^^xnone   - -   none
Timeouts:  Idle EXECIdle Session   Modem Answer  Session   Dispatch
   00:10:00nevernone not set
Idle Session Disconnect Warning
  never
Login-sequence User Response
 00:00:30
Autoselect Initial Wait
  not set
Modem type is unknown.
Session limit is not set.
Time since activation: 00:04:12
Editing is enabled.
History is enabled, history size is 10.
DNS resolution in show commands is enabled
Full user help is disabled
Allowed transports are lat pad v120 mop telnet rlogin nasi.  Preferred is
lat.
No output characters are padded
No special data dispatching characters

Thanks in advance,
Chuck Church
CCNP, MCNE, MCSE
Sr. Network Engineer
Magnacom Technologies
140 N. Rt. 303
Valley Cottage, NY 10989
845-267-4000 x218

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RE: Reverse telneting to a console port

[Chris Larson]

If I remember from BCRAN, if you do a show line, and find your line number.
Now if you telnet to your router port 2000 + line number that should be it.



So if you have a modem (or console but console has a different number) that
is async 65 or line 65 you would reverse telnet to it by telnetting to
127.0.0.1 2065


-Original Message-
From: Chuck Church [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:30 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Reverse telneting to a console port

All,

Can anyone tell me how to setup reverse telnet on a 2511 to connect to
the console port of another router?  I have the octal cable with RJ45
directly plugged into the console port of another.  Is a x-over needed on
this cable?  I can't seem to find how to do it on CCO.  I did notice that if
I have the first 3 lines connected to routers, and do a port scan on the
2511, I don't see it listening on ports 2001-2003.  If I unplug the RJ45s
from the other routers, the port is listening.  Here's my partial 2511
config:

interface Loopback0
 ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
!
.
!
line con 0
 password cisco
 login
 transport input none
line 1
 modem InOut
 transport input telnet
 stopbits 1
 speed 38400
 flowcontrol hardware
line 2 16
 modem InOut
 transport input all
 stopbits 1
 flowcontrol hardware
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
 password cisco
 login
!

SH LINE 1 looks like this:

2511# sh line 1
 Tty Typ Tx/RxA Modem  Roty AccO AccI   Uses   Noise  Overruns   Int
*  1 TTY  38400/38400 - inout ---  0   0 0/0   -

Line 1, Location: "", Type: ""
Length: 24 lines, Width: 80 columns
Baud rate (TX/RX) is 38400/38400, no parity, 1 stopbits, 8 databits
Status: Ready, Active, No Exit Banner
Capabilities: Hardware Flowcontrol In, Hardware Flowcontrol Out
  Modem Callout, Modem RI is CD
Modem state: Ready
Group codes:0
Modem hardware state: CTS DSR  DTR RTS
Special Chars: Escape  Hold  Stop  Start  Disconnect  Activation
^^xnone   - -   none
Timeouts:  Idle EXECIdle Session   Modem Answer  Session   Dispatch
   00:10:00nevernone not set
Idle Session Disconnect Warning
  never
Login-sequence User Response
 00:00:30
Autoselect Initial Wait
  not set
Modem type is unknown.
Session limit is not set.
Time since activation: 00:04:12
Editing is enabled.
History is enabled, history size is 10.
DNS resolution in show commands is enabled
Full user help is disabled
Allowed transports are lat pad v120 mop telnet rlogin nasi.  Preferred is
lat.
No output characters are padded
No special data dispatching characters

Thanks in advance,
Chuck Church
CCNP, MCNE, MCSE
Sr. Network Engineer
Magnacom Technologies
140 N. Rt. 303
Valley Cottage, NY 10989
845-267-4000 x218

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RE: DHCP on Router!!

[ZAPP, JULIAN F (PB)]

I have turned on debug DHCP on several routers platforms and different
12.x(x) versions, but have yet to get any response.  Has anyone seen the
debug output for DHCP.  

My work around is to use an access list for the DHCP packet.




-Original Message-
From: swapnil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 10:31 PM
To: jeongwoo park
Cc: cgs
Subject: Re: DHCP on Router!!


IOS 12.0(1)T


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To: Groupstudy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 6:20 AM
Subject: DHCP on Router!!


Hi all
I heard that router had DHCP function.
Is that true?
if it is, which version is that?

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www.ccprep.com FastTracks??

[Dave Martin]

Has anyone tried any of the FastTrack supscriptions at www.ccprep.com?  If
so, was it usefull for you?  I'm thinking of purchasing a few at one time,
but would like some feedback.

TIA,
Dave


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RE: ISDN interface problem

[Michael Munoz]

Hello,

First problem I see is 'Layer 1 DEACTIVATED'.  Here is the link and
suggestion to this problem from Cisco:


http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/779/smbiz/service/troubleshooting/ts_isdn.h
tm

Using Show Commands To Troubleshoot ISDN Networks

The show commands in the Cisco IOS that are most helpful in solving ISDN
problems tell you whether you are connected to the local ISDN switch - show
isdn status, or whether you have successfully made a call - show dialer.

Show ISDN Status Command
Upon getting the ISDN line provisioned by telco, the only parameters that
are required for the router to synchronize with the switch are the switch
type and the spid(s). Sample configuration would be:

isdn switch-type basic-ni1
!
interface BRI0
 isdn spid1 4112120101 5551212
 isdn spid2 4112130101 5551213
After proper configuration, output from the show isdn status EXEC command
would yield:

The current ISDN Switchtype = basic-ni1
ISDN BRI0 interface
Layer 1 Status:
ACTIVE
Layer 2 Status:
TEI = 112, State = MULTIPLE_FRAME_ESTABLISHED
TEI = 113, State = MULTIPLE_FRAME_ESTABLISHED
Layer 3 Status:
No Active Layer 3 Call(s)
Activated dsl 0 CCBs = 0
Total Allocated ISDN CCBs = 0


--> Failure of the Cisco router to synchronize properly with the ISDN switch
would yield:

The current ISDN Switchtype = basic-ni1
ISDN BRI0 interface
Layer 1 Status:
DEACTIVATED
Layer 2 Status:
Layer 2 NOT Activated
Layer 3 Status:
No Active Layer 3 Call(s)
Activated dsl 0 CCBs = 0
Total Allocated ISDN CCBs = 0

If you receive this output, the possible causes are:

-
Problem Suggested Action

Faulty CableReplace the cable from router to ISDN jack, making 
sure the
cable contains the middle two pins (pins 4 & 5 in an RJ-45 cable).
Wrong Switch Type or Spid(s)Contact telco and confirm switch type and
spid(s). Re-enter them into router and issue the clear interface bri number
EXEC command.
Faulty ISDN lineGet an analog phone and plug into ISDN jack. 
You should
get either 1) a clicking noise, or 2) white noise/light static. If you do
not get either of those, it is not an active ISDN line. Contact telco and
open trouble ticket.
--

Mike Munoz



*

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Hans Stout
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ISDN interface problem


Hi there colleagues,

I have a problem with my ISDN interface on a Cisco 2610 router. I just had a
Telekom engineer at the site verify that the line is ok to the interface,
but he cannot see any lights burning on the intreface (B1 and B2 LEDs). When
I do a sh isdn status, I get the following:

Ener_Erkath#sh isdn status
Global ISDN Switchtype = basic-net3
ISDN BRI0/0 interface
dsl 0, interface ISDN Switchtype = basic-1tr6
Layer 1 Status:
DEACTIVATED
Layer 2 Status:
Layer 2 NOT Activated
Layer 3 Status:
0 Active Layer 3 Call(s)
Activated dsl 0 CCBs = 0
The Free Channel Mask:  0x8003
Total Allocated ISDN CCBs = 0

When I change the ISDN switchtype to basic-net3, it doesn't change the
status of the ISDN.
Here is the output from the sh int bri0/0:

Ener_Erkath#sh int bri0/0
BRI0/0 is standby mode, line protocol is down
  Hardware is PQUICC BRI
  Internet address is 10.90.1.70/30
  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 64 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely 255/255, load 1/255
  Encapsulation PPP, loopback not set
  Last input never, output never, output hang never
  Last clearing of "show interface" counters never
  Input queue: 0/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0
  Queueing strategy: weighted fair
  Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops)
 Conversations  0/0/256 (active/max active/max total)
 Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
  5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
 0 packets input, 0 bytes, 0 no buffer
 Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
 21036936 packets output, 2224160372 bytes, 0 underruns
 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 3 interface resets
 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
 140 carrier transitions

Does anybody know if this could just mean that the interface is not
functioning at all ? What do the carrier transitions mean ? And what does
'standby mode' mean ?
I am also not able to bounce the interface (shutdown/no shutdown doesn't
change the status on the interface, it remains in standby mode).
Thanks for your help in advance !

Regards,

Georg


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Re: Cannot Erase FLASH ???

[David C Prall]

Since, 2500's are run from flash routers you need to boot up in bootrom
and then tftp copy the flash image.

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios112/112cg_cr
/1cbook/1csysim.htm

David C Prall   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://dcp.dcptech.com
- Original Message -
From: "Circusnuts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:32 AM
Subject: Cannot Erase FLASH ???


I'm trying to upgrade the IOS in a couple of routers I've just purchased
& I get this:

System flash directory:
File  Length   Name/status
  1   3869420  igs-i-l.111-9
[3869484 bytes used, 4519124 available, 8388608 total]

Erase flash device? [confirm]
Are you sure? [yes/no]: y
%dev_open: System flash not writable

Any ideas- Copy TFTP FLASH gives the same- not writable error...

Thanks All !!!
Phil


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Reverse telneting to a console port

[Chuck Church]

All,

Can anyone tell me how to setup reverse telnet on a 2511 to connect to
the console port of another router?  I have the octal cable with RJ45
directly plugged into the console port of another.  Is a x-over needed on
this cable?  I can't seem to find how to do it on CCO.  I did notice that if
I have the first 3 lines connected to routers, and do a port scan on the
2511, I don't see it listening on ports 2001-2003.  If I unplug the RJ45s
from the other routers, the port is listening.  Here's my partial 2511
config:

interface Loopback0
 ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
!
.
!
line con 0
 password cisco
 login
 transport input none
line 1
 modem InOut
 transport input telnet
 stopbits 1
 speed 38400
 flowcontrol hardware
line 2 16
 modem InOut
 transport input all
 stopbits 1
 flowcontrol hardware
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
 password cisco
 login
!

SH LINE 1 looks like this:

2511# sh line 1
 Tty Typ Tx/RxA Modem  Roty AccO AccI   Uses   Noise  Overruns   Int
*  1 TTY  38400/38400 - inout ---  0   0 0/0   -

Line 1, Location: "", Type: ""
Length: 24 lines, Width: 80 columns
Baud rate (TX/RX) is 38400/38400, no parity, 1 stopbits, 8 databits
Status: Ready, Active, No Exit Banner
Capabilities: Hardware Flowcontrol In, Hardware Flowcontrol Out
  Modem Callout, Modem RI is CD
Modem state: Ready
Group codes:0
Modem hardware state: CTS DSR  DTR RTS
Special Chars: Escape  Hold  Stop  Start  Disconnect  Activation
^^xnone   - -   none
Timeouts:  Idle EXECIdle Session   Modem Answer  Session   Dispatch
   00:10:00nevernone not set
Idle Session Disconnect Warning
  never
Login-sequence User Response
 00:00:30
Autoselect Initial Wait
  not set
Modem type is unknown.
Session limit is not set.
Time since activation: 00:04:12
Editing is enabled.
History is enabled, history size is 10.
DNS resolution in show commands is enabled
Full user help is disabled
Allowed transports are lat pad v120 mop telnet rlogin nasi.  Preferred is
lat.
No output characters are padded
No special data dispatching characters

Thanks in advance,
Chuck Church
CCNP, MCNE, MCSE
Sr. Network Engineer
Magnacom Technologies
140 N. Rt. 303
Valley Cottage, NY 10989
845-267-4000 x218

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RE: Very good web site for CCNA

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

I was really impressed when I first reviewed this online material. It's so 
much better than most of the crap that's out there. Then I realized it's 
the "CCNA Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide" by Syngress! How 
could someone publish this online?? It appears to be a flagrant example of 
theft.

Priscilla



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>Udash  Sent:   Monday, 24 July, 2000 7:43 
>AM  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  Subject:Very good web site for 
>CCNA
>
>Dear all,
>
>Take a look at this site. There is a whole book of CCNA material written 
>by  a CCIE,
>
>http://www.rkingma.com/cisco/testhome.htm 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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CCIE All-in-one (moron or genious?)

[NeoLink2000]

Hey Groupies,
Just wanted to bring up a topic that I've been pondering. About a month 
ago, me and another member on the list met up and started working on his path 
to CCIE, starting with the "CCIE All-In-One Study Guide." Any of you who have 
ever used this book have all seen the massive amounts of errors in it, from 
picture errors, config errors, and even syntax spelling errors. We are almost 
through the whole book and I must say that out of the 80 labs in the book, at 
least 75% of them have had AT LEAST a tiny glitch on the authors part. I have 
hated this for the time that I've been working in the book, until last night. 
Me and the other member were working on one of the BGP labs. First of all, 
there was a config missing for one of the routers, and for router D in the 
config there wasn't supposed to be a serial address...but of coarse in the 
picture there was one. We literally spent about 2 hours on what was supposed 
to be a 20 minute lab. I commented this and the other member said "I know, 
this is great." That's when I got to thinking. What if this author made all 
of these mistakes to teach us troubleshooting. I must admit, I have spent a 
lot of time on these labs trying to figure out what's wrong with them after 
we use what the author wants, and I even get better from it. On the way home 
last night I was thinking that maybe the book was intended to be that way and 
all of those errata's are just ruining it because it's letting people not use 
their heads. If this is NOT the case and the author didn't intend in making 
this book a troubleshooter, then maybe he is a moron. But if he did, indeed, 
write this book this way intentionally, then I have to tip my hat and say 
that he is a genius and a great teacher. Just my thoughts guys. After all, 
the second half of "the lab" is fixing what was made wrong. If this book can 
simulate that...then it is the best CCIE study guide to a certain level. Have 
a good one group,

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA
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Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and 
explode once a year killing everyone inside.
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CCIE written - Survey before or after

[Rahul Bajaj]

A few weeks ago someone had posted a message about a "survey,  on which
how you answer determines the passing score..." before the CCIE written
exam.  Could anyone please clarify this as I will be taking the test
next week and want to clear as many doubts as I can about the same.

thanks


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Part 1 - BGP Certzone white paper

[kikpasa]

Hi,
  Is there anyone out there with a copy of Part 1 Bgp of Certification
Zone's Whitepaper

 Please mail me a copy, this will be well appriciated.

Kerry

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Re: two routers & EIGRP

[Phil Barker]

Brian,
 If your 2 routers are connected into the same
Hub, then they will be on the same network.
Have you set up any other networks on either router
that you can advertise ? e.g via loopback addresses or
via the spare Ethernet port on the 2514 with "no
keepalive" on it.

Have you tried "show ip eigrp neighbor" ?
to see if the routers have formed an adjacency with
each other, if they havn't then they won't exchange
routing info.

also "sh ip route" to see what the router thinks is
directly connected. Both of your routers should have
at least the fact that they are both directly
connected to the Ethernet network. But you won't
necessarily see any other networks unless you
advertise them with the "network" statement under
EIGRP routing process 1 and put a legitimate interface
where this network can be found i.e via a loopback
address or via "no keepaalive" on your spare Eth
interface, or via a real interface if you have the
spare kit.

HTH

Phil.


--- Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 
> 
> What type of routes do you have on each router? Only
> connected and
> static?  Are you using "redistribute static
> connected" in your eigrp
> config?
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, alex campbell wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hello ppl
> > 
> > I have two routers, both connected to a standard
> 10mb hub. Both can ping 
> > each other as can a PC which is also on this mini
> network.
> > 
> > 1 is a 2501 with IOS 11.3 connected via ethernet
> > 1 is a 2620 with IOS 12.0 connected via fast
> ethernet
> > 
> > I am trying to get these two to share routes via
> EIGRP but to no avail. Both 
> > are set to routing process 1, both have
> routes..and (odd bit here) a network 
> > monitor on the PC says that they are advertising
> routes!
> > but they do not seem to share routes
> > when i do show ip eigrp interface on the 2620 it
> does NOT list any info!
> > but when i do it on the 2501 it lists ethernet 0.
> > But I am doing the same thing for each router !
> > 
> > Is it incompatibility between 12.0 and 11.3, I
> find it difficult to believe 
> > but someone has suggested it ?
> > Or am I missing something obvious ?
> > 
> > Any help appreciated
> > Mark,
> > 
> >
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Re: ACRC

[Tom Milliner]

300 base plus 70% of 700 = 790.

Tom Milliner, CCNA


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From: "Randy Witt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: ACRC


790 is the passing score for all.

>>> "Amit Lilani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/24/00 03:12AM >>>
just wanted to know the passing marks for ccna ... i just gave it today
got
727 out of 1000 --- 790 was passing ... all places told me 70 percent
was
passing ... of all my acrc book also told 70 is passing... does it
change
from person to person.. or is it 790 ... or was it a mistake done for
me...

thanks...


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BSCMSN

[Andre Santos]

Does anyone have any information on the BSCMSN 
test? Has anyone already taken the test? If so let me 
know

Re: MAC Address

[AABAN34]

http://memphis.supersharewareman.com/Apps/2449.asp

Check this out

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Re: MAC Addresses

[Brian]

That is how many MAC addresses it can store in its tables


On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Nasser N Khwaja wrote:

> What does it mean to say that the Catalyst 1912 has 1024 MAC Addresses,
> while the Catalyst 2828 has 8192 MAC Addresses.
> Can anyone please explain?
> Thanks in advance.
> Reply to,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
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Network Administrator   ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881)

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RE: Passed COD

[Dennis Laganiere]

I sympathize with you about your spouse not understanding what you've
accomplished.  My wife has said she hasn't understood a thing I've said
since I stopped working with servers five years ago :-)

Let me offer a warm and heartfelt (virtual) hug of acceptance and respect...
- Dennis Laganiere

-Original Message-
From: CLAXTON, TIMOTHY A. (AIT)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 8:27 PM
To: 'Group Study'
Subject: Passed CCDP


I just thought I would drop a quick note to let the group know that I passed
CID on Friday gaining me my CCDP.
I started pursuing this certification earlier this year when I took a new
job. Now that I have passed, I don't have the excitement that I thought I
would have. Don't get me wrong, I am very excited and relieved that I am
past it now. The problem is that I don't have anyone close to share the
excitement with. My wife was happy for me but she, as well as the rest of my
family, doesn't really understand what I have accomplished. 
Does anyone else feel similar?

Anywhoo, here is my path to CCDP.
I took the CCDP 2.0 path.
Jan 2000 - Passed BCMSN beta. I studied CLSC course book a little. Not much
help for this test. I did have lots of hands on including 29xx and 5500
switches. Know spanning tree, Cisco multicast, MLS, VTP, ISL etc.

April 2000 - Passed DCN test for CCDA. I studied DCN CD. Not to difficult.

June 2000 - Passed BCSN. I studied the Cisco Press ACRC book. Skip WAN, IPX
and AppleTalk stuff. Read Cisco's BGP tutorial on CCO. Just search on "BGP
TUTORIAL". Know OSPF and EIGRP.

June 2000 - Passed BCRAN. The group said this was the easiest but I thought
it was fairly difficult. I used Cisco Press BCRAN book.

July 2000 - Passed CID. This was also difficult. I used the Cisco Press CID
book. Study Cisco's ATM product guide.
Know specs on ATM gear.

I hope to take CIT in August. I may take this class just because the hands
on will be good practice for CCIE.

Thanks to the group for all of your posts. 

Tim Claxton CCDP CCNA
Systems Design Engineer
SBC DataComm
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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VPN Question.

[Sameh Badros]

Can you use ip unnumbered on a serial interface that will be used as a 
tunnel..


interface Tunnel1
ip address 172.24.3.6 255.255.255.0
tunnel source Serial0.1< OR U have To specify IP
tunnel destination 87.135.224.22

interface Serial0
description To Corporate Office
no ip address
encapsulation frame-relay IETF
bandwidth 1536
service-module t1 timeslots 1-24
frame-relay lmi-type ansi
!
interface Serial0.1 point-to-point
ip unnumbered Ethernet0
bandwidth 1536
frame-relay interface-dlci 500 IETF
!
interface Serial1
no ip address
shutdown
!
ip classless
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0.1
ip route 87.135.224.0 255.255.255.0 tunnel 1



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Re: MAC Addresses

[Trevor]

Nasser N Khwaja wrote:

> What does it mean to say that the Catalyst 1912 has 1024 MAC Addresses,
> while the Catalyst 2828 has 8192 MAC Addresses.
> Can anyone please explain?
> Thanks in advance.
> Reply to,
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That number refers to the size of the MAC Address table... basically, how
many nodes can be hooked up to the switch (directly, via cascaded hub,
multilayer switches, etc) and remember what port every station is on.  For
best performance, a switch should be able to remember every MAC Address on
it's side of the router, and therefor after recieving a packet from every
station, no longer have to flood all segments to locate a station.  This
is optimum use.

If you were to purchase a switch that can hold 1024 MAC Addresses in it's
table, and attach 1100 stations, the switch will function, it will only be
less efficient.  For example,
MAC Address #1 isn't used for a long time, and 1024 other stations "talk"
since... SwitchA will remove the entry for Station1, since "it must be
turned off, and this will free room in the table".  Suddenly, a packet for
Station1 comes into the switch... it doesn't have an entry in the
MAC Table, so it floods all ports.  This flooding causes excess traffic on
all other ports.

Same scenario, but the switch has a 2048 entry MAC Address Table.
Station1's MAC is never removed, because there is still room in the table
after everyone on the network has talked.  The same packet comes in for
Station1, the switch looks up the MAC, and sends it out the appropriate
port.  The 1099 other stations don't have to process that packet to layer
2 and drop it.

Regards,
  Trevor Corness, CCNA+ACRC


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RE: CCDA LAB

[William E Gragido]

Is this a valid link?  I tried to check it out and  it bounced.  

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Oz
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: CCDA LAB
> 
> 
> http://www.mcseco-op.com/index1.htm
>  Here you go this is for CCDA type folks  have fun
> Oz
> http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm
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acrc

[Amit Lilani]

hi to all,

i repeat
do the exams get more tougher on the second attempt.. ???

secondly i got a question on network congestion did not know what the ans
is...  i answered the client server application will run slowly... can u
help me with that question...

and also one questions  which router sends the external AS Lsa's is it
abr/asbr/backbone router have no clues... please help...

thanks
amit


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Re: Passed CCNP

[Amit Lilani]

Congrats CCNP...

is there some stuff u would recommend to study for the FRS any specific book
or so,,
thnks

""Simon Watson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Dear Guys
>
> Just Letting you know that I've just passed my CCNP.
>
> The path I took was the FRS exam and then the CIT
>
> got 900 out of 1000 on the FRS( 91% ACRC,91% CMTD,79% CLSC) & 778 out off
> 1000 for the CIT.
>
> I found the CIT the hardest exam, make sure you know ISDN well as there
was
> a lot of ISDN questions on my exam.
>
> This was for the CCNP1.0, how long before I need to recertify ??.I've
heard
> it is 2 years.
>
> Well I must thank God for his immense help, & and for you guys for your
> valuble input.
>
>
> Rgrds
>
> Simon CCNP,CCNA
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DCN 640-441 & CID 640-225

[Vijay]

Dear Friends
 
Can anybody suggest any excellent resource to prepare for 

DCN 640-441 & CID 640-225
 
Thanks,
 
Rgds.

RE: SNMP Error on Windows NT Server

[Dave Hennen]

relaod whatever 
service pack you were running before you installed snmp service, it overwrites a 
dll or something.  You should be using at least service pack 4, preferably 
5 or 6
 
daveh

  -Original Message-From: Ngo Van Dzung 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:51 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: SNMP Error on Windows 
  NT Server
  Hi All,
  I have Installed Simple SNMP Service on my 
  Windows NT Server, when I start server I saw Error message:
  "The procedure entry point 
  SnmpSvcGetEnterpriseOID could not be located in dynamic link library 
  snmpapi.dll"
   
  I don't know how to solve this problem, please 
  help me.
   
  Cheeres!
   

MAC Addresses

[Nasser N Khwaja]

What does it mean to say that the Catalyst 1912 has 1024 MAC Addresses,
while the Catalyst 2828 has 8192 MAC Addresses.
Can anyone please explain?
Thanks in advance.
Reply to,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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RE: CCIE All-in-one (author: moron or genious?)

[Rik Guyler]

I don't think this is intentional.  

However, you are now realizing the benefits of self study (with Groupstudy
input of course!) and what you gain by doing it all yourself.  After all,
the real prize is not reaching the END of your journey, but the sum of ALL
the knowledge you collected along the way.  

Rik 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCIE All-in-one (author: moron or genious?)


Hey Groupies,
Just wanted to bring up a topic that I've been pondering. About a month 
ago, me and another member on the list met up and started working on his
path 
to CCIE, starting with the "CCIE All-In-One Study Guide." Any of you who
have 
ever used this book have all seen the massive amounts of errors in it, from 
picture errors, config errors, and even syntax spelling errors. We are
almost 
through the whole book and I must say that out of the 80 labs in the book,
at 
least 75% of them have had AT LEAST a tiny glitch on the authors part. I
have 
hated this for the time that I've been working in the book, until last
night. 
Me and the other member were working on one of the BGP labs. First of all, 
there was a config missing for one of the routers, and for router D in the 
config there wasn't supposed to be a serial address...but of coarse in the 
picture there was one. We literally spent about 2 hours on what was supposed

to be a 20 minute lab. I commented this and the other member said "I know, 
this is great." That's when I got to thinking. What if this author made all 
of these mistakes to teach us troubleshooting. I must admit, I have spent a 
lot of time on these labs trying to figure out what's wrong with them after 
we use what the author wants, and I even get better from it. On the way home

last night I was thinking that maybe the book was intended to be that way
and 
all of those errata's are just ruining it because it's letting people not
use 
their heads. If this is NOT the case and the author didn't intend in making 
this book a troubleshooter, then maybe he is a moron. But if he did, indeed,

write this book this way intentionally, then I have to tip my hat and say 
that he is a genius and a great teacher. Just my thoughts guys. After all, 
the second half of "the lab" is fixing what was made wrong. If this book can

simulate that...then it is the best CCIE study guide to a certain level.
Have 
a good one group,

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a 
Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and 
explode once a year killing everyone inside.
~Robert Cringely, InfoWorld~ 

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auth b549636d

[Robert V. Russo Jr.]

 
Robert V. Russo Jr.[EMAIL PROTECTED]

CCIE All-in-one (author: moron or genious?)

[NeoLink2000]

Hey Groupies,
Just wanted to bring up a topic that I've been pondering. About a month 
ago, me and another member on the list met up and started working on his path 
to CCIE, starting with the "CCIE All-In-One Study Guide." Any of you who have 
ever used this book have all seen the massive amounts of errors in it, from 
picture errors, config errors, and even syntax spelling errors. We are almost 
through the whole book and I must say that out of the 80 labs in the book, at 
least 75% of them have had AT LEAST a tiny glitch on the authors part. I have 
hated this for the time that I've been working in the book, until last night. 
Me and the other member were working on one of the BGP labs. First of all, 
there was a config missing for one of the routers, and for router D in the 
config there wasn't supposed to be a serial address...but of coarse in the 
picture there was one. We literally spent about 2 hours on what was supposed 
to be a 20 minute lab. I commented this and the other member said "I know, 
this is great." That's when I got to thinking. What if this author made all 
of these mistakes to teach us troubleshooting. I must admit, I have spent a 
lot of time on these labs trying to figure out what's wrong with them after 
we use what the author wants, and I even get better from it. On the way home 
last night I was thinking that maybe the book was intended to be that way and 
all of those errata's are just ruining it because it's letting people not use 
their heads. If this is NOT the case and the author didn't intend in making 
this book a troubleshooter, then maybe he is a moron. But if he did, indeed, 
write this book this way intentionally, then I have to tip my hat and say 
that he is a genius and a great teacher. Just my thoughts guys. After all, 
the second half of "the lab" is fixing what was made wrong. If this book can 
simulate that...then it is the best CCIE study guide to a certain level. Have 
a good one group,

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a 
Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and 
explode once a year killing everyone inside.
~Robert Cringely, InfoWorld~ 

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MAC Address

[Peter Gray]

How to flip a Token Ring MAC to Ethernet MAC. What is the rule for that? I 
have a token ring MAC address...41003511
It has be to be converted to Ethernet MAC.
Any comments..


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Re: ACRC

[Randy Witt]

790 is the passing score for all.

>>> "Amit Lilani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/24/00 03:12AM >>>
just wanted to know the passing marks for ccna ... i just gave it today got
727 out of 1000 --- 790 was passing ... all places told me 70 percent was
passing ... of all my acrc book also told 70 is passing... does it change
from person to person.. or is it 790 ... or was it a mistake done for me...

thanks...


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OSPF and RIP Configs for Lucent CBX500

[Thomas Carter]

I was just wondering if anyone has any documentation or experience
configuring the Lucent CBX500 with a Cisco 3600.   Any info will
be appreciated.

Thomas Carter
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entry-level positions???

[Pimphaas]

Hello!

I have currently achieved CCNA status, and I am in search of immediate employment.  I 
have 1 and 1/2 months classroom experience with cisco routers and I am very willing to 
learn on the job.  i am 20 years old and currently pursuing a degree in 
Electrical/Computer Engineer at the University of Houston.  

Please reply if you have any leads or info. for entry-level positions in Houston or 
Dalls are-preferrably Houston.

Thanks

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RE: ISDN interface problem

[Odell, Jeff]

When an interface is configured as a backup, you can not use it for anything
else.  What you could do in this case is put the BRI interface into a dialer
group.  Configure the dialer group as the backup interface.  You can then
use the BRI interface while the main link is active.

Jeff Odell
CCNA CCDA
Network Specialist
949-453-4377
800-739-5837 pager
949-500-3184 cell phone


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 9:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ISDN interface problem




Not sure (I haven't used BRI interfaces much), but I seem to remember that
if an
ISDN interface is configured as a backup interface, it will be in standby
mode
and cannot be used for anything else.
Is your BRI configured as a backup interface?  If so, what happens when the
main
link is brought down?
Can anyone confirm or deny my hazy memory?

JMcL
-- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 24/07/2000
14:44
---


Rik Guyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 22/07/2000 00:47:48

Please respond to Rik Guyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


To:   Hans Stout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  "Cisco Groupstudy (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc:(bcc: JENNY MCLEOD/NSO/CSDA)
Subject:  RE: ISDN interface problem



I also seem to remember from my studies awhile back, that you have to reboot
the router when changing the ISDN switch type to make the change take
effect.  Something like you'll see the change in the config, but the router
won't recognize it until the reboot.  Have you tried that?It rather
resembles a Microsoft product in this regard!  :-}

Maybe posting a "show config" would help determine why BRI0/0 is in standby
mode.

BTW Carrier Transitions are incremented each time your "call" changes state.
For example, when an active call gets disconnected (from timeout, bad
hardware, etc.), that activity will increment the Carrier Transition count
by one.  If you have DDR/BOD setup, this is a pretty typical thing.  If not,
then you either need to make a config change or you might have bad hardware
somewhere in the line.

Rik Guyler
Principal Consultant
Cardinal Solutions Group, Inc.
513.984.6700



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From: Hans Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 11:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ISDN interface problem


Hi Larry,

thanks for your answer.
What exactly do you mean by enabling the interface first ?
My concern is that I do not see any lit LEDs on the interface. Can you tell
me what a status of standby/down means ? How can I get the interface in
up/up (spoofing) status ? Also, what do the carrier transitions mean ?
I include the output from the sh int command:

Ener_Erkath#sh int bri0/0
BRI0/0 is standby mode, line protocol is down
  Hardware is PQUICC BRI
  Internet address is 10.90.1.70/30
  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 64 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely 255/255, load 1/255
  Encapsulation PPP, loopback not set
  Last input never, output never, output hang never
  Last clearing of "show interface" counters never
  Input queue: 0/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0
  Queueing strategy: weighted fair
  Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops)
 Conversations  0/0/256 (active/max active/max total)
 Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
  5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
 0 packets input, 0 bytes, 0 no buffer
 Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
 21139976 packets output, 2239721261 bytes, 0 underruns
 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 3 interface resets
 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
 140 carrier transitions


>From: LARRY OSEI-KWAKU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: LARRY OSEI-KWAKU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Hans Stout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ISDN interface problem
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 05:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I think you will need to enable the interface first
>before you can set the switch type.
>
>Larry Osei
>Lodnon
>Uk
>--- Hans Stout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi there colleagues,
> >
> > I have a problem with my ISDN interface on a Cisco
> > 2610 router. I just had a
> > Telekom engineer at the site verify that the line is
> > ok to the interface,
> > but he cannot see any lights burning on the
> > intreface (B1 and B2 LEDs). When
> > I do a sh isdn status, I get the following:
> >
> > Ener_Erkath#sh isdn status
> > Global ISDN Switchtype = basic-net3
> > ISDN BRI0/0 interface
> > dsl 0, interface ISDN Switchtype =
> > basic-1tr6
> > Layer 1 Status:
> > DEACTIVATED
> > Layer 2 Status:
> > Layer 2 NOT Activated
> > Layer 3 Status:
> > 0 Active Layer 3 Call(s)
> > Activated dsl 0 CCBs = 0
> > The Free Channel Mask:  0x8003
> > Total Allocat

Re: How can I stop this?!!!

[Nemo]

r1(config)#no service config


<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hey Groupies,
> I know someone already asked this question, and I even tried to answer
it
> before. When working on labs I almost 80% of the time get interrupted in
> typing my lines with the well known:
>
> Loading network config...
> Loading Line config...
>
> And so on. I thought that if you just disconnect the links until your
final
> setup then reinstall them that this problem would be solved but I just
know
> there must be some kind of command to eliminate this from happening from
the
> start. If anybody knows, please enlighten me. Thanks a bunch group, it's
> appreciated.
>
> Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a
> Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and
> explode once a year killing everyone inside.
> ~Robert Cringely, InfoWorld~
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How can I stop this?!!!

[NeoLink2000]

Hey Groupies,
I know someone already asked this question, and I even tried to answer it 
before. When working on labs I almost 80% of the time get interrupted in 
typing my lines with the well known:

Loading network config...
Loading Line config...

And so on. I thought that if you just disconnect the links until your final 
setup then reinstall them that this problem would be solved but I just know 
there must be some kind of command to eliminate this from happening from the 
start. If anybody knows, please enlighten me. Thanks a bunch group, it's 
appreciated.

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA
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Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and 
explode once a year killing everyone inside.
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Re: CCIE - Austin, TX

[Jonathan Hays]

This is a Cisco study forum. Would you guys please take your political/religious
discussions offline. You have each other's email addresses.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Good point but you don't judge it as well as you don't understand the french
> history...
>
> cvp
>
> michael wedel-durrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07/21/2000 06:21:36 AM
>
> Please respond to michael wedel-durrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> To:   Bill Fenech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, groupstudy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> cc:(bcc: Claude-Vincent PEREZ/JP-TOKYO-HOLDING/LVMH)
>
> Subject:  Re: CCIE - Austin, TX
>
>   
>
> dear Bill:
>
> i was speaking from my experience and limited knowlege. the french exchange
> students i have known have
> been befuddled by our american racial politics.
>
> as for the algerian situation, i don't claim to understand what's going on but
> that seems to me to be
> based on religious intolerance on both sides (not any better than racial
> intolerance, i agree)
>
> Still Your Friend,
> mic
>
> Bill Fenech wrote:
>
> > Yeah, right, that's why they get along with Algerians so well
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "michael wedel-durrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "groupstudy"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: CCIE - Austin, TX
> >
> > > yes, but my experience with the french is that to them race is
> > insignifigant.
> > >
> > > Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> > >
> > > > I too checked the dictionary on this one. It is true the word is of
> > > > Scandinavian / old English origin, and has perhaps been in the language
> > for
> > > > 1500 years, well before the Danes, the Norse, the Saxons and the Angles
> > had
> > > > any contact with  sub-Saharans.
> > > >
> > > > That said, the word became politically incorrect here in the US because
> > of
> > > > the similarity to a particular racial epithet, and has generally fallen
> > out
> > > > of favor as a result. Them Frenchies, on the other hand, have fewer
> > hangups
> > > > of these sorts. I am inclined to believe that the French in general
> > > > discriminate based upon ability to speak pure Parisian. The worse your
> > > > accent, the further down the food chain you are, socially speaking.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Deane, James
> > > > Sent:   Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:31 AM
> > > > To: 'michael wedel-durrow'; ElephantChild; groupstudy
> > > > Subject:RE: CCIE - Austin, TX
> > > >
> > > > Before this gets out of hand, the following is pasted from the From the
> > > > Miriam Webster web site (www.m-w.com)
> > > >
> > > > Main Entry: nig·gard·ly
> > > > Pronunciation: -lE
> > > > Function: adjective
> > > > Date: 1571
> > > > 1 : grudgingly mean about spending or granting : BEGRUDGING
> > > > 2 : provided in meanly limited supply
> > > > synonym see STINGY
> > > > - nig·gard·li·ness noun
> > > > - niggardly adverb
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure EC meant no harm in this other than to throw around a 10 dollar
> > > > word.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: michael wedel-durrow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 4:07 AM
> > > > To: ElephantChild; groupstudy
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE - Austin, TX
> > > >
> > > > EC:
> > > >
> > > > you used a very ugly racial epethet. please show us that you're not so
> > > > stupid that you can't find a more
> > > > appropriate choice of words.
> > > >
> > > > mic
> > > >
> > > > ElephantChild wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Raymond Thomas wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > First we had words like rabblecroot, now...persnickety?? LOL, I
> > know
> > > > > > what you mean though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Next thing you know, someone's going to complain about HR
> > niggardliness.
> > > > > :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > > Chuck Larrieu
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 3:49 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some recruiters wonder why we techies get so persnickety.  :->
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > > Starry Eyes
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:07 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why do I not have a warm fuzzy about this offer?  Maybe because I am
> > not
> > > > a
> > > > > > certificated [sic] CCIE?
> > > > >
> > > > > (corpus delicti snippicated.)
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Bungee jumping and skydiving are for wimps. If you want to experience
> > > > > true gut-wrenching terror, have children. --Dusty Rhoades.
> > > > >
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