Re: [Cooker] Email Trouble (was: Uhm...spammers?)
Felix Miata wrote: ~snip~ ...instead of the mandrake list server taking off yet another weekend. hmm, I've never had a weekend go by without something from the list showing up. not as busy as weekdays but always something.
[Cooker] fresh cooker install - installer suggestions
Hello, I've done, yesterday, a cooker install. I have some notes : - at network step, ADSL option is not enabled (I have a Speedtouch USB modem - I saw that a fonction that detect the presence of Speedtouch modem in detect_devices.pm). - In speedtouch config, the default country is not the same as selected at start. - at network step too, the NIC - a gateway and DNS server adresses are required (obligatory). Why ? - And what about ECI ADSL modem ? Florent
Re: [Cooker] Uhm...spammers?
* Stardate: 2002-10-17 23:10 * Incoming subspace signal from Vox [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Ok, I just got this right after sending an email to cooker@ Seems like somebody is forwarding cooker's email to some other mailing list...can anybody check wtf is going on? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please confirm your message Your e-mail message with the subject of Re: [Cooker] 9.1 is being held because your address was not recognized. To release your message for delivery, please send an empty message to the following address, or use your mailer's Reply feature. [EMAIL PROTECTED] This confirmation verifies that your message is legitimate and not junk-mail. This comes from an ill configured tmda, I guess.
Re: [Cooker] Email Trouble (was: Uhm...spammers?)
J. Greenlees wrote: Felix Miata wrote: ~snip~ ...instead of the mandrake list server taking off yet another weekend. hmm, I've never had a weekend go by without something from the list showing up. not as busy as weekdays but always something. The list has been down 2 week-ends during beta time.
Re: [Cooker] 9.1
Don't expect mdk to rape KDE like Redhat did, at least I hope not. I don't think spending time theming is important. KDE 3.1 is themed very nicely with beautiful icons and keramik theme already, I'd rather see mandrake continue to focus on bringing quality, stable and complete/compatible apps and libs. Maybe kde and gnome should at least have two or three themes in common, to be able to have a minimum unified look if wanted.
Re: [Cooker] Re: Minor bug:: warning: /etc/links.cfg created as /etc/links.cfg.rpmnew
Pixel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Han Boetes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: warning: /etc/links.cfg created as /etc/links.cfg.rpmnew After the update I run etc-update to look for differences and I get no differences at all. Which is right of course since I never touched the file. this is a weird rpm bug that happens sometimes. It's quite rare those days... :-/ It happened as well with the previous links update. I forgot to mention. Groetjes, Han. -- http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software
Re: [Cooker] Uhm...spammers?
Vox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ok, I just got this right after sending an email to cooker@ Seems like somebody is forwarding cooker's email to some other mailing list...can anybody check wtf is going on? % Your e-mail message with the subject of Re: [Cooker] 9.1 is being % held because your address was not recognized. % % To release your message for delivery, please send an empty message to % the following address, or use your mailer's Reply feature. % % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % % This confirmation verifies that your message is legitimate and not % junk-mail. Indeed, like maxim says this comes from tmda. Everyone I know who has used it so far including myself have ditched it because it is very difficult to set up properly, Needs lots of maintenance. Is very annoying for people who send email to you and it does nothing against spam from mailinglists. You won't see this one very often anymore. You will get auto-replies from people who are out of the office and forgot to configure the autoreply properly. Meaning that everybody who sends a message to list they have been subscribed to get a reply. Most admins kick you straight of the list for that. You will mostly see a public excuse note from the originator because he received tons of flames before he was shut of. Anyway. tmda BAD spamassassin GOOD bmf.sf.net also seems very interesting. Groetjes, Han. -- http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software msg79297/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] 9.1
Combelles, Christophe (MED, ALTEN) wrote: Don't expect mdk to rape KDE like Redhat did, at least I hope not. I don't think spending time theming is important. KDE 3.1 is themed very nicely with beautiful icons and keramik theme already, I'd rather see mandrake continue to focus on bringing quality, stable and complete/compatible apps and libs. Maybe kde and gnome should at least have two or three themes in common, to be able to have a minimum unified look if wanted. ay! I second that, making a unified theme does not rape anything, you still have the possibility to don't use it, as with mandrake's menu's, alot of people seem to criticize these(eg. mosfet*grmbl*), but you have the CHOICE to disable these features, and as far as I know you don't have to use the bluecurve stuff in RH. I don't think people should start bashing other people just for doing something different when you still have the choice to revert back, this reminds me of those who thinks that mandrake = windows because you have all the gui's available, but *noone* forces you to use them, nor install them... So I think it's a good idea to add things like this, as long as you have the possibility to revert back.
Re: [Cooker] Re: various problems with urpmi options
Vox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reducing your signature to something more suitable with the netiquette would also be good. You are right, sorry about that...changed my subscribed email addy and forgot to change sigs. That's now fixed :P thx *But* that wasn't the sig I was talking about...I'm talking gpg signatures. Sympa corrupts gpg signatures about 30% of the time for that's another point on which i didn't comment :). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] urpmi doesn't find PLF files
After looking, the problem is on plf machine: If I remove all ppc package, synthetis is build fine, but I add it in tree, parhdlist stop before adding in synthetis first ppc package. I can't find why ? This machine is a 8.2... plfkatu ~/ftp/cooker $ rpm -qa | grep rpmtools rpmtools-4.2-8mdk [nanardonkatu cooker]$ rpm -qa | grep urpm urpmi-3.3-22mdk fpons: any idea ?? Le Lundi 14 Octobre 2002 20:21, Alexander Skwar a écrit : Hi! [rootteich urpmi]# urpmi.addmedia CookerPLF http://plf.wwwhost.biz/files/cooker/ with hdlist.cz Medium CookerPLF hinzugefügt Lesen der Synthese-Datei [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD.cz] Lesen der Synthese-Datei [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Contrib CD.cz] Holen der Beschreibungsdatei für ,,CookerPLF ... Hole HD-Liste (oder synthesis-Datei) von ,,CookerPLF... % Total% Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Curr. Dload Upload TotalCurrent LeftSpeed 100 719k 100 719k 0 0 96222 0 0:00:07 0:00:07 0:00:00 105k ...Holen fertig Prüfen der HD-Liste [/var/cache/urpmi/partial/hdlist.CookerPLF.cz] Erstellen der HD-Liste für das Medium ,,CookerPLF 0 Informationen im Cache gefunden. Entferne 0 veraltete Informationen aus dem Cache. Schreiben der Konfigurationsdatei [/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg]. [rootteich urpmi]# urpmi mldonkey Kein Paket namens mldonkey Any ideas about why urpmi doesn't find mldonkey (or any PLF file for that matter)? [rootteich urpmi]# rpm -q urpmi urpmi-4.0-20mdk I've also just updated to the latest and greatest cooker. Alexander Skwar -- Linux pour Mac !? Enfin le moyen de transformer une pomme en véritable ordinateur. - JL. Olivier Thauvin - http://nanardon.homelinux.org/
Re: [Cooker] permission on cdrecord
Le Jeudi 17 Octobre 2002 08:49, Warly a écrit : Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Olivier Thauvin wrote: Any that only cdwriter groups can use cdrecord, and all can use cdrecord-dvdhack: [olivier@andromede olivier]$ ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord* -rws--x---1 root cdwriter 244620 sep 3 13:11 /usr/bin/cdrecord* -rwxr-xr-x1 root cdwriter 248652 sep 3 13:11 /usr/bin/cdrecord-dvdhack* [olivier@andromede olivier]$ rpm -qa | grep cdrecord cdrecord-devel-1.11-0.a32.1mdk cdrecord-dvdhack-1.11-0.a32.1mdk cdrecord-1.11-0.a32.1mdk cdrecord-cdda2wav-1.11-0.a32.1mdk But cdrecord is also setuid, which is probably the reason the permissions are like that on cdrecord. Strange because I though I have change cdrecord perm, suid root is not useful anymore IIRC. After sending this, I remember now, it's xcdroast who ask to change perm. xcdroast sucks. that's all :) BTW: As I remember, cdrecord don't work properly without a setuid... But this has maybe changed since... -- Linux pour Mac !? Enfin le moyen de transformer une pomme en véritable ordinateur. - JL. Olivier Thauvin - http://nanardon.homelinux.org/
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Pixel wrote: This is definately a problem. Fully reproducable on all 15 installs at LUG. And I definately agree that keybard support in the installer NEEDS to be added. Pixel, is it possible that this could be looked at? ?? keyboard support is quite ok. The only known pb is that sometimes, keyboard focus doesn't work, so if the mouse is not in the middle of the screen, you don't have the focus and can't do anything. Right. That is the problem. How can you operate the GUI without a mouse if you can't focus the window? Someone should verify that it works by performing the Normal and Expert installs with no mouse attached to prove that it works. -- Sincerely, David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg79302/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Buchan Milne wrote: David Walluck wrote: 1.) xfs support (with no ext2 /boot parition). I just reported this recently, and have reported it ever since xfs support went in versions ago. The issue isn't where your boot partition is (AFAIK), it's where LILO is installed to (not necessarily the same thinge). Last time I tried XFS on root there was a warning. LILO is on the MBR, not the disk partition itself. GRUB doesn't have luck either. 2.) the infamous mouse-wheel problem. WHy does it happen only on install? Maybe because people installing can't read. Eh? Trust me, moving the mouse wheel doesn't fix it in my case. But better no-mouse support would be nice after install. It's impossible to configure a mouse without a mouse (ok, not impossible, but no way a newbie would find it). But Pixel has verified a problem with focus during the install. Thefore it is likely impossible to complete the install with no mouse. I have tried to no avail. Unless she forgot to tell us that she chose LDAP (unlikely). Funny though, LDAP support in Mandrake works out the box for me. There are apparently issues with seperate /usr ... I can't even find where to shut it off. Or I'd think it was off and upon password failure it prompts for 'LDAP password' again. 5.) anti-aliased fonts. RedHat's xft2 support might be the way to go, and this should be looked at for 9.1. Did you actually read the thread on this a while back? Fred said it would be done when he get's back. Of course, it seems some people think eye candy is more important than real features. I am glad Mandrakesoft doesn't. Would you rather have a totally broken but pretty Mandrake Control Center? Right, the problem is, I personally have no idea if Xft2 is better, but apparently the consenus is that it is. Still, I'd like to be able to read more about it before the changes go in. And, seeing as Mdk Control Center doesn't work for me, at least it can look pretty. It's better than nothing. And I don't think anti-aliasing is eye candy in this case. Since people sometimes spend all day in front of the screen, the ease with which they can read screen text can make a world of real difference on eye strain or overall experience. While 'themes' and the like seem to be just preference, good fonts have lots of practical uses, not just for first impression with newbies. -- Sincerely, David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg79303/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
She just goes on whining about the Mandrake Control Center for the rest of the review. OK, so she ran into some rare bug that almost nobody else encountered. What does that prove? Also, it looks to me like she is testing it on a 5-year-old machine. I have an outdated 800Mhz P3, and the login process on the console takes about half a second, while she claims that it takes 3-4 seconds. She can be right for the login, because it takes about 5 seconds on my athlon1,2G to login in the text console. Just as if there was some timeout or something. I don't think that such a review must be completely rejected, but it must be correctly analyzed to find the real problems.
Re: [Cooker] permission on cdrecord
Olivier Thauvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After sending this, I remember now, it's xcdroast who ask to change perm. xcdroast sucks. that's all :) BTW: As I remember, cdrecord don't work properly without a setuid... But this has maybe changed since... Yes it works properly without. -- Warly
Re: [Cooker] rbuild entire cooker src.rpm for i686 arch
Florent BERANGER [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le Mercredi 16 Octobre 2002 08:31, vous avez écrit : Florent BERANGER [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for infos. Are all cooker libraries and devel packages required (an entire actual cooker system is needed) ? Required for what ? for build all RPMS. Your server who build Mdk's RPM is running entire daily cooker, no ? Start to work on it and you will understand. -- Warly Aparently, some RPMS fails to build because some dependencies are missing. So, i reformule my question : - Is an entire cooker system (libraries devel packages) is needed to use rpm-rebuilder ? -In use rpm-rebuilder ask me for password (I use it with a simple user account). Why ? Thanks for answers, it's a long process ! Florent
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Friday 18 October 2002 12:39 am, Gary Greene wrote: 5.) anti-aliased fonts. RedHat's xft2 support might be the way to go, and this should be looked at for 9.1. Actually, with the most recent freetype installed, my system is rendering fonts a zillion times better. On my machines, the default mozilla installs look _incredibly_ bad. The AA'd fonts look like they are blurred and not antialiased. I tried it on both a CRT and an LCD, and ended up turning it off. -- -- Igor
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Combelles, Christophe (MED, ALTEN) wrote: What is the link between login (just looking in passwd and shadow) and name services ? Home directory? User id? Groug memberships? All this can come out of LDAP or winbind or similar, and you need to know that before you can let someone in Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] Uhm...spammers?
On Thu Oct 17 23:10 -0500, Vox wrote: Ok, I just got this right after sending an email to cooker@ Seems like somebody is forwarding cooker's email to some other mailing list...can anybody check wtf is going on? Looks like a TMDA or similar spamblocking system. -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Love lies in pools of questions. GPG Key Fingerprint: 354C 7A02 77C5 9EE7 8538 4E8D DCD9 B4B0 DC35 67CD Currently playing: Megadeth - FFF Linux 2.4.19-16mdk 10:30:01 up 15 days, 8:55, 13 users, load average: 0.22, 0.21, 0.25
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Friday 18 October 2002 04:53 am, Buchan Milne wrote: 2.) the infamous mouse-wheel problem. WHy does it happen only on install? Maybe because people installing can't read. Could we please make the font for that message bigger and/or a different color? It's not very easily noticeable, especially when your mouse is acting like it's on crack. Maybe even put in in a warning box before it starts jumping everywhere. The first reaction for any reasonable person is that the setting is wrong and needs to be changed. How about turning off the cursor, telling the person to move the mouse wheel, and then showing the test screen? -- -- Igor
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Friday 18 October 2002 07:27 am, David Walluck wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: David Walluck wrote: 1.) xfs support (with no ext2 /boot parition). I just reported this recently, and have reported it ever since xfs support went in versions ago. The issue isn't where your boot partition is (AFAIK), it's where LILO is installed to (not necessarily the same thinge). Last time I tried XFS on root there was a warning. LILO is on the MBR, not the disk partition itself. GRUB doesn't have luck either. She was installing Lilo on the partition itself, because she had another bootloader on the MBR. There definitely should be some sort of a warning if you don't create and ext2/3 partition. -- -- Igor
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Friday 18 October 2002 07:37 am, Combelles, Christophe (MED, ALTEN) wrote: She just goes on whining about the Mandrake Control Center for the rest of the review. OK, so she ran into some rare bug that almost nobody else encountered. What does that prove? Also, it looks to me like she is testing it on a 5-year-old machine. I have an outdated 800Mhz P3, and the login process on the console takes about half a second, while she claims that it takes 3-4 seconds. She can be right for the login, because it takes about 5 seconds on my athlon1,2G to login in the text console. Just as if there was some timeout or something. I don't think that such a review must be completely rejected, but it must be correctly analyzed to find the real problems. How are you logging in? Is it local authentication or a remote ldap/nis server? -- -- Igor
Re: [Cooker] Laptop recommendations? (ACPI patches please?)
On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 04:59, Jason Straight wrote: Ogle doesn't seem to care about the regioning - I'm using the redhat rpms from ogle's site. No regioning BS required, works great. Although I still see little use in playing DVD on computer (just not smooth enough) except for the ability of snapshots for Bruce Lee movies ;) There's two types of DVD regioning. Your drive can be hardware regioned. The OS does nothing about this; most drives have a hardware region set and won't read discs from a different region. This is done at a lower level than the OS. To fix this you need some kind of firmware hack, or an unregioned drive. Then there's software regioning. Many software players are also regioned - PowerDVD is, for instance. There are software hacks for this. Linux software players aren't regioned (at least, I know Xine and Ogle aren't). So if you've hacked your drive firmware, you're OK. What do you mean about non-smooth playback? I watch all my DVDs on my Duron 1.1ghz through Linux and they're just fine, smooth as glass. Maybe you don't have DMA enabled on your DVD drive? I've had that problem before... -- adamw
[Cooker] hardware.fr definition of mandrake
not sure this definition is good... http://www.hardware.fr/html/annuaires/definitions/index.php3?terme_id=2171
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Yes but since the nsswitch.conf configuration begins with files, the login should not take more than 1 milisecond. Buchan Milne wrote: Combelles, Christophe (MED, ALTEN) wrote: What is the link between login (just looking in passwd and shadow) and name services ? Home directory? User id? Groug memberships? All this can come out of LDAP or winbind or similar, and you need to know that before you can let someone in Buchan
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Igor Izyumin wrote: On Friday 18 October 2002 12:39 am, Gary Greene wrote: 5.) anti-aliased fonts. RedHat's xft2 support might be the way to go, and this should be looked at for 9.1. Actually, with the most recent freetype installed, my system is rendering fonts a zillion times better. On my machines, the default mozilla installs look _incredibly_ bad. The AA'd fonts look like they are blurred and not antialiased. I tried it on both a CRT and an LCD, and ended up turning it off. You may want to try the new RPM of freetype2 lib from Han Boetes (see recent thread on this list). The AA fonts look *WAY* better!!! It is such a difference that makes me think Mandrake should issue an official update RPM for this one. Big difference. Michal
[Cooker] 9.0 ghostscript bug
I transferred a bunch of Poscript figures from my older machines to a new 9.0 installation yesterday and found that all of the figures I have created with GNU plotutils over the last couple of years produce errors from the Ghostscript that is provided with MDK9.0 (and they cannot be displayed, of course). Here is what I have done to confirm this is a problem with the Ghostscript provided with MDK9.0: (1) Verified these files display fine under the Ghostscripts provided with MDK 8.1 and 8.2. (2) Confirmed this problem on a 2nd fresh 9.0 installation. (3) Files print properly when sent directly to 2 Postscript printers. (4) Downloaded and compiled the latest stable AFPL ghostscript (7.04). It has no trouble with any of these files. Thus, it seems almost certain that the ghostscript provided with MDK9.0 is buggy. I am somewhat unsure what ghostscript MDK is shipping. The ghostscript sites (http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ and http://sourceforge.net/projects/ghostscript/) have two branches: AFPL and GNU. The MDK9.0 version identifies itself as ESP Ghostscript 7.05 when it runs. Since this is the version number of the GNU version, I assume that is what it is. Don't know why it is identified as ESP Ghostscript, though. I have not tried to download the GNU Ghostscript 7.05 and test it. This is a rather serious problem given the importance of ghostscript. It means that I cannot migrate my 8.x machines to 9.0 without a fix. I am open to any suggestions on the best way to replace the MDK9.0 version with the AFPL version. If you want an example file to test, email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Norm
Re: [Cooker] Re: Minor bug:: warning: /etc/links.cfg created as /etc/links.cfg.rpmnew
On Friday 18 October 2002 04:13 am, Han Boetes wrote: Pixel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Han Boetes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: warning: /etc/links.cfg created as /etc/links.cfg.rpmnew After the update I run etc-update to look for differences and I get no differences at all. Which is right of course since I never touched the file. this is a weird rpm bug that happens sometimes. It's quite rare those days... :-/ It happened as well with the previous links update. I forgot to mention. It's also happened here on *all* of my cooker machines for both of the last two versions. I also diffed the files and they were exactly identical (same size, same contents). So it might be a rare bug, but in this case, at least, it's repeatable across all sorts of configurations. -- Wesley J. Landaker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP FP: C99E DF40 54F6 B625 FD48 B509 A3DE 8D79 541F F830
Re: [Cooker] hardware.fr definition of mandrake
On Friday 18 October 2002 08:56 am, Combelles, Christophe (MED, ALTEN) wrote: not sure this definition is good... http://www.hardware.fr/html/annuaires/definitions/index.php3?terme_id =2171 For non francophones, this basically says: Mandrake: French linux disitrubition that is nothing but a rehash of the Red Hat distribution. -- Wesley J. Landaker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP FP: C99E DF40 54F6 B625 FD48 B509 A3DE 8D79 541F F830
Re: [Cooker] 9.0 ghostscript bug
I can confirm this bug. I used latex to generate ps files with no errors (the files are 2 years old now), and with 9.0, i cannot see it. stef Le Vendredi 18 Octobre 2002 17:12, Norman Carver a écrit : I transferred a bunch of Poscript figures from my older machines to a new 9.0 installation yesterday and found that all of the figures I have created with GNU plotutils over the last couple of years produce errors from the Ghostscript that is provided with MDK9.0 (and they cannot be displayed, of course). Here is what I have done to confirm this is a problem with the Ghostscript provided with MDK9.0: (1) Verified these files display fine under the Ghostscripts provided with MDK 8.1 and 8.2. (2) Confirmed this problem on a 2nd fresh 9.0 installation. (3) Files print properly when sent directly to 2 Postscript printers. (4) Downloaded and compiled the latest stable AFPL ghostscript (7.04). It has no trouble with any of these files. Thus, it seems almost certain that the ghostscript provided with MDK9.0 is buggy. I am somewhat unsure what ghostscript MDK is shipping. The ghostscript sites (http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ and http://sourceforge.net/projects/ghostscript/) have two branches: AFPL and GNU. The MDK9.0 version identifies itself as ESP Ghostscript 7.05 when it runs. Since this is the version number of the GNU version, I assume that is what it is. Don't know why it is identified as ESP Ghostscript, though. I have not tried to download the GNU Ghostscript 7.05 and test it. This is a rather serious problem given the importance of ghostscript. It means that I cannot migrate my 8.x machines to 9.0 without a fix. I am open to any suggestions on the best way to replace the MDK9.0 version with the AFPL version. If you want an example file to test, email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Norm
[Cooker] kgpg et al: group, menu
first, thanks for the kgpg rpm I had some difficulty finding its menu entry because I expected it to be where all the other gpg related stuff is rpm group menu kgpgConfiguration/Other Configuration/Other gnupg File tools - gpa File tools Applications/File tools gpgpArchiving/Other Applications/File tools seahorseGraphical desktop/GNOME Applications/File tools If there's no compelling reason to have kgpg in Configuration/Other menu, I'd suggest putting it in Applications/File tools together with the others. And maybe separate groups and menus can be tested in cooker. Like putting all encryption stuff in group Encryption(?) and have a dedicated (sub-)menu entry of that name? - Mark
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Combelles, Christophe (MED, ALTEN) wrote: She just goes on whining about the Mandrake Control Center for the rest of the review. OK, so she ran into some rare bug that almost nobody else encountered. What does that prove? Also, it looks to me like she is testing it on a 5-year-old machine. I have an outdated 800Mhz P3, and the login process on the console takes about half a second, while she claims that it takes 3-4 seconds. She can be right for the login, because it takes about 5 seconds on my athlon1,2G to login in the text console. Just as if there was some timeout or something. That might not be the case now, but it used to be what happened to me ONLY if I installed devfsd, which nowadays I'm very careful NOT to do. I don't know if that's the problem in your case, but it might be. I don't think that such a review must be completely rejected, but it must be correctly analyzed to find the real problems. True. Dale Huckeby
Re: [Cooker] 9.0 ghostscript bug
Also I noticed yesterday a problem in printing text files with programs as Kwrite,Kate or others... it seems I can preview but when I print some random portion of text disappears on paper ...it can be also that a ghostscript filter text to ps problem(xpdq text file printing has no problem and all is printed...) cu...;o) On Friday 18 October 2002 17:16, Stéphane Teletchéa wrote: I can confirm this bug. I used latex to generate ps files with no errors (the files are 2 years old now), and with 9.0, i cannot see it. [...] Le Vendredi 18 Octobre 2002 17:12, Norman Carver a écrit : I transferred a bunch of Poscript figures from my older machines to a new 9.0 installation yesterday and found that all of the figures I have created with GNU plotutils over the last couple of years produce errors from the Ghostscript that is provided with MDK9.0 (and they cannot be displayed, of course). [...] -- Franco Silvestro c/o CeSIA - Alma Mater Studiorum - Universita' di Bologna Current uptime : 16 days 6 hours 23 minutes --- Fri Oct 18 17:58:08 CEST 2002 --- Linux 2.4.19-16mdksmp #1 SMP Fri Sep 20 16:08:37 CEST 2002 Two Processors Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.00GHz 1024M RAM 7890.52 Bogomips Total
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Combelles, Christophe (MED, ALTEN) wrote: Yes but since the nsswitch.conf configuration begins with files, the login should not take more than 1 milisecond. Think about that again. What happens if you have some local groups, and some groups assigned by ldap? Would you want to only get your local groups? If you are using LDAP or NIS, you should be using nscd though. Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 18 October 2002 01:39 am, Gary Greene wrote: On Friday 18 October 2002 12:54 am, David Walluck wrote: Igor Izyumin wrote: On Thursday 17 October 2002 03:23 pm, Brad Chamberlin wrote: 5.) anti-aliased fonts. RedHat's xft2 support might be the way to go, and this should be looked at for 9.1. Actually, with the most recent freetype installed, my system is rendering fonts a zillion times better. I stand corrected... I'd failed to check where my freetype2 lib was downloaded from. It's the PLF one :( - -- Gary Greene Sent from seele.gvsu.edu 11:13:14 up 2 days, 9:41, 4 users, load average: 0.57, 0.39, 0.48 = Founder and president of GVLUG. Chairman and Project Lead of the E-media Committee of AltReal. PHONE : 331-0562 EMAIL : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9sCWHVg8c0/GZcW8RAiwJAJ4ogDCSdWzorLIdqUtlrV3nIGXWngCdGLlN xot3ePHVb3gFJp2HZc3I3Go= =mh3N -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Gary Greene ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I stand corrected... I'd failed to check where my freetype2 lib was downloaded from. It's the PLF one :( http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/rpms/freetype2-2.1.3-0.rc2.1mdk.src.rpm Try this one for kicks. ;) Groetjes, Han. -- http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software msg79328/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Re: various problems with urpmi options
On Friday, October 18, 2002, at 12:15 AM, Ben Reser wrote:
Nope, I like it when people use them. I can see, at a glance, that
who
I think wrote the message did in fact write the message. I'm not keen
on forgers, nor reading their fake mails, so this is a nice thing to
have. And, I hope, it gives people confidence when reading mail from
me that I did in fact write it.
This discussion happens periodically on the mutt list where about
probably half the posters sign and the other half don't. The ones that
do say they sign all their mail so that people can always verify their
posts. The argument they use is if you only sign on important stuff
then the receiver has to second guess if you didn't think the message
important enough to sign or if it's forged.
Fair enough. For myself, the only time I don't sign messages is when I
know the recipient a) doesn't use gpg or b) doesn't use and uses
lookout. The rest of the time, I always sign... I've been doing this
for years and, as I said before, I think people would be suspicious if
I didn't all of a sudden. Of course, I'm the security
para^H^H^H^Hprofessional so I make it a habit. =)
I kinda sit in the middle. I sign based upon the usefulness of the
signature to the receivers. People I know have and use pgp/gpg get
signatures. Lists where the majority are (or should be) using gpg I
sign. Otherwise I don't sign.
On this lists for most people signatures are pointless.
Yup, but I don't really care. =) It's part of my email presence now,
so I leave it. Those few people who have complained, I dismiss out of
hand.
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Re: [Cooker] 9.0 ghostscript bug
Can you post some example text files? Till Franco Silvestro wrote: Also I noticed yesterday a problem in printing text files with programs as Kwrite,Kate or others... it seems I can preview but when I print some random portion of text disappears on paper ...it can be also that a ghostscript filter text to ps problem(xpdq text file printing has no problem and all is printed...) cu...;o) On Friday 18 October 2002 17:16, Stéphane Teletchéa wrote: I can confirm this bug. I used latex to generate ps files with no errors (the files are 2 years old now), and with 9.0, i cannot see it. [...] Le Vendredi 18 Octobre 2002 17:12, Norman Carver a écrit : I transferred a bunch of Poscript figures from my older machines to a new 9.0 installation yesterday and found that all of the figures I have created with GNU plotutils over the last couple of years produce errors from the Ghostscript that is provided with MDK9.0 (and they cannot be displayed, of course). [...]
Re: [Cooker] Re: various problems with urpmi options
On Friday, October 18, 2002, at 05:00 AM, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
*But* that wasn't the sig I was talking about...I'm talking gpg
signatures. Sympa corrupts gpg signatures about 30% of the time for
that's another point on which i didn't comment :).
/gc really thinks down with sympa!
welcome to the club, my friend... =)
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Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 18 October 2002 12:29 pm, Han Boetes wrote: Gary Greene ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I stand corrected... I'd failed to check where my freetype2 lib was downloaded from. It's the PLF one :( http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/rpms/freetype2-2.1.3-0.rc2.1mdk.src.rpm Try this one for kicks. ;) Thanks Han. I'll give it a whirl later tonight when I get the chance to build it :) - -- Gary Greene Sent from seele.gvsu.edu 12:50:11 up 2 days, 11:18, 4 users, load average: 1.28, 1.48, 0.85 = Founder and president of GVLUG. Chairman and Project Lead of the E-media Committee of AltReal. PHONE : 331-0562 EMAIL : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9sDwPVg8c0/GZcW8RAjOtAJ0WVeI3BRQ9eVlfqE48fCbKA+b1UgCeKd4E BVhTi3z4I7hejPC3UR7jT0s= =AVRm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Cooker] bug reporting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi What has been decided by the Mandrake team regarding bug reporting? Is the present mess of: drakbug (http://drakbug.mandrakesoft.com/) bugzilla mandrake expert cooker mailing list going to continue? Thank you, Sascha Noyes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9sEPDgzJdfX+cTW8RAs2aAJ9AqU9u5oToTFgkk0sBizt9Rtt/RwCfZ0iE dxEyOGJCtKhHjhKiHso6zxE= =xyvl -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] bug reporting
Sascha Noyes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi What has been decided by the Mandrake team regarding bug reporting? Is the present mess of: drakbug (http://drakbug.mandrakesoft.com/) bugzilla mandrake expert cooker mailing list going to continue What I think is the current status: 1/ I don't know if drakbug is currently usable but even if it is, it's for reporting bugs in mandrake application, in stable version or cooker version. 2/ On cooker mailing list you can report and discuss bugs occuring in all the applications provided in the cooker version of the distribution. 3/ On mandrake expert you can get support on using a mandrake, then if your problem comes from a bug, I think it is reported by some 'experts'. I think that bugs coming from 1 and 3 should be directly in bugzilla. I don't know if it is happening now. For the cooker bugs, I think that using the ML is nice, but when the bugs are not resolved during the discussion following the report, maybe an entry in bugzilla should be created so that I won't be forgotten.
Re: [Cooker] bug reporting
On Friday 18 October 2002 12:38 pm, Pascal Terjan wrote: Sascha Noyes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi What has been decided by the Mandrake team regarding bug reporting? Is the present mess of: drakbug (http://drakbug.mandrakesoft.com/) bugzilla mandrake expert cooker mailing list going to continue What I think is the current status: 1/ I don't know if drakbug is currently usable but even if it is, it's for reporting bugs in mandrake application, in stable version or cooker version. 2/ On cooker mailing list you can report and discuss bugs occuring in all the applications provided in the cooker version of the distribution. 3/ On mandrake expert you can get support on using a mandrake, then if your problem comes from a bug, I think it is reported by some 'experts'. I think that bugs coming from 1 and 3 should be directly in bugzilla. I don't know if it is happening now. For the cooker bugs, I think that using the ML is nice, but when the bugs are not resolved during the discussion following the report, maybe an entry in bugzilla should be created so that I won't be forgotten. Yes, but only mandrake developers have permission to post bugs in bugzilla. Someone said it was to prevent stupid bug reports from being filed. I think this is a pretty stupid decision. How about we open up bugzilla and have a few volunteers from this list sift through the bugs and confirm them? After all, Bugzilla is far better than Mandrake expert for this type of thing. -- -- Igor
[Cooker] Kmail :Problem: OpenPGP plug-in
In current cooker Kmail I've this message: Problem: OpenPGP plug-in was not specified. Use the 'Settings-Configure KMail-Security' dialog to specify the plug-in or ask your system administrator to do that for you. May be I'm stupidbut where are Kmail 'Crypto Plugins'??? ...thanks...;o) cu...;o) -- Franco Silvestro c/o CeSIA - Alma Mater Studiorum - Universita' di Bologna Current uptime : 16 days 8 hours 20 minutes --- Fri Oct 18 19:55:11 CEST 2002 --- Linux 2.4.19-16mdksmp #1 SMP Fri Sep 20 16:08:37 CEST 2002 Two Processors Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.00GHz 1024M RAM 7890.52 Bogomips Total
[Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] krusader-1.11-1mdk
Does this overwrite the 1.11-1mdk Goetz just uploaded right before you? --- Laurent MONTEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Contrib-RPM] --=-=-= Name: krusader Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 1.11 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 1mdk Build Date: Fri Oct 18 16:13:17 2002 Install date: (not installed) Build Host: ke.mandrakesoft.com Group : File toolsSource RPM: (none) Size: 1585242 License: GPL Packager: Montel Laurent [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://krusader.sourceforge.net Summary : A twin panel file manager for kde Description : Krusader is a new old-school file manager and ftp client. It's twin-panel look follows in the footsteps of the great file managers of old: GNU's Midnight Commander and the DOS all time favorite Norton Commander. Krusader features: intuative GUI, complete drag n' drop support, transpernt handeling of archives and ftp volumes, bookmarks (with bookmark manager ), pack and unpack from the main window, command line with history and run in terminal option, internal viewer, built-in mount manager with auto-mount option and more --=-=-= * Fri Oct 18 2002 Laurent MONTEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.11-1mdk - 1.11 -- http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
[Cooker] bad package signature
Doing an urpmi --auto-select, from the ftp.club-internet.fr archive: The following packages have bad signatures: /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/samba-common-ldap-2.2.6-1.2mdk.i586.rpm Do you want to continue installation ? (y/N) N What's up with this package? I don't normally get signature errors from packages in main. Bad mirror? -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
--- Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qt bindings for perl apparently suck. Wait for perl-GTK to update to GTK2 Not anymore. They used to be hand-written and rarely updated, now they're automated and very high quality. http://news.kde.org/1032279318/ Unless the same happens for perl-Gtk, maybe switching to Qt wouldn't be a bad idea, us not being able to release MCC on Gtk+2 for 9.0 is a perfect demonstration of why. __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] what about server config tools in drakconf
Yura Gusev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Guillaume Cottenceau said: Florent BERANGER [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you think about tools for configure major servers (Apache, MySQL, OpenLDAP, Bayonne, Qmail) in drakconf ? webmin is already doing a very good job for configuring servers. It's in perl right? So take some code from it and integrade in to Mandrake Control Center. It sounds easy but i know it is hell, on the other hand if you can why not? I think it'd be a loss of time, but I'm not very authoritative on the question. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
--- David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I don't think anti-aliasing is eye candy in this case. Since people sometimes spend all day in front of the screen, the ease with which they can read screen text can make a world of real difference on eye strain or overall experience. Yeah, but some of us don't want those blurry AA fonts messing up our eyes :o( __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] 9.1
Yura Gusev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the plan for 9.1? Should we expect just updated packages or Mandrake will cook something interesting? First, of course updated packages are an important part of our work. Second, there is a list of bug reports in the mandrake tools that need fixing, and small enhancements on some tools. Then, some directions for future development are already decided, some not. From the top of my mind, I can cite mostly install team work which is developing gtk2-perl and porting all our gtk-perl apps to it, and further urpmi enhancements (finishing off the use of --parallel, and implementing some distributed downloads and some per-site autoconfiguration (plf etc)). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
Elliott Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not the greatest video game player in the world, but having these windows barge their way to the foreground all the time is definately not helping! And watching movies...what a great time to run an update, but no, rpmdrake will make you want to sit down and read a book instead. I would use urpmi, but hey, I dont like typing everything out all the time when --auto-select would update something I'm in the middle of using. Hum, I understand this is not very nice for you, but: 1. using messages inside the UI would mean a rather important design change 2. many apps use popup windows for questions/warnings/etc, they are generally considered as good UI design There are so many different ways to have the program behave that I have to ask for it to be changed. Why not use a wizard style interface (thus not telling me in a new window that everything worked)? That way it could ask about all the bad signatures at once at the end instead of halting the download until you come along to press, yes, install the thing anyway. I know, there's --no-verify-rpm, but I do want to know, but I'd like to be able to leave the room and come back when the downloads are done. Changing the UI to that extend is pretty intrusive I think. The current UI is supposed to be better than a wizard, especially the treeview and information views would not fit very well in a wizard in my opinion.. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] urpmi doesn't find PLF files
Olivier Thauvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After looking, the problem is on plf machine: If I remove all ppc package, synthetis is build fine, but I add it in tree, parhdlist stop before adding in synthetis first ppc package. I can't find why ? This machine is a 8.2... plf@katu ~/ftp/cooker $ rpm -qa | grep rpmtools rpmtools-4.2-8mdk [nanardon@katu cooker]$ rpm -qa | grep urpm urpmi-3.3-22mdk fpons: any idea ?? Francois left for week-end yesterday (thursday) night, he'll probably not be able to answer before at least monday morning. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not to dismiss the review (there are some good points in it) but Eugenia is quite possibly the stupidest Linux journalist out there (which is quite an accomplishment). I like that :))). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Friday 18 October 2002 02:07 pm, David Walser wrote: --- David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I don't think anti-aliasing is eye candy in this case. Since people sometimes spend all day in front of the screen, the ease with which they can read screen text can make a world of real difference on eye strain or overall experience. Yeah, but some of us don't want those blurry AA fonts messing up our eyes :o( I agree. Notice that Microsoft doesn't use AA on their OS - that's because it's easier to read good fonts without it! AA fonts are actually very bad on the eyes - the eyes perceive them as unfocused and try to focus on them, which obviously doesn't work and strains them. AA is OK for large fonts (20px or more) but for anything less than 20 it is horrible. -- -- Igor
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Brad Chamberlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wanted to point out to everyone the OSNews review here http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1954 harshly true and to the point... she's been in private mails with gael duval the previous days to try to calm her down and answer her misundestandings. the bad thing is that she has the supermount slowness bug more than usual. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Friday 18 October 2002 02:03 pm, David Walser wrote: --- Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qt bindings for perl apparently suck. Wait for perl-GTK to update to GTK2 Not anymore. They used to be hand-written and rarely updated, now they're automated and very high quality. http://news.kde.org/1032279318/ Unless the same happens for perl-Gtk, maybe switching to Qt wouldn't be a bad idea, us not being able to release MCC on Gtk+2 for 9.0 is a perfect demonstration of why. QT would be a nicer choice than GTK. It looks better. GTK1 doesn't really look like Gnome2 and doesn't look like KDE. But then, that's up to the mandrake team to decide. -- -- Igor
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:09:44 -0700 (PDT) David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only valid point I thought she was was her complaint about MCC being based on Gtk+1, but that, like many of the other things she cried about has already been argued about on this list. Far from it, it's a weak point. gtk2 was new at the time of the first beta and the Mandrake tools catching up with it in their own time was probably a good decision. It's not as if they're the only gtk[1] tools in the distribution; by her logic Galeon, Evolution, Sylpheed, the Gimp et alia should be similarly criticised! As a UI designer I find her reviews intensely annoying. It's good that _someone_ is focussing on the Linux desktop GUI, but it's both what she says and the way she says it (unprofessionally) that's the problem ... Alastair
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1.) xfs support (with no ext2 /boot parition). I just reported this recently, and have reported it ever since xfs support went in versions ago. XFS boot hasn't any real problem. - most floppy will fail (that's no big deal) - you can't install a bootloader on a XFS partition, and.. no one except a few distro reviewers do that :-( -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
--- Alastair Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:09:44 -0700 (PDT) David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only valid point I thought she was was her complaint about MCC being based on Gtk+1, but that, like many of the other things she cried about has already been argued about on this list. Far from it, it's a weak point. gtk2 was new at the time of the first beta and the Mandrake tools catching up with it in their own time was probably a good decision. It's not as if they're the only gtk[1] tools in the distribution; by her logic Galeon, Evolution, Sylpheed, the Gimp et alia should be similarly criticised! She meant it should be Qt and not Gtk+ As a UI designer I find her reviews intensely annoying. It's good that _someone_ is focussing on the Linux desktop GUI, but it's both what she says and the way she says it (unprofessionally) that's the problem ... Certainly, she likes to act like she's a usability expert, and she's not. __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even still, rpmdrake should work without a mouse. It does not. Why? Rpmdrake without a mouse is not at all a priority. Damn, why don't people setup a mouse for GUI's, or use urpmi if they don't want a GUI? I don't get it. If you have no mouse or the mouse wheel goes crazy, you won' be able to get past the install packages stage. I have to confess I didn't even test rpmdrake without a mouse, this tells pretty well the important I stick to it :). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
[Cooker] First Page Printing
Hey, Has anyone else ever had problems with documents that only print the first page? I've had this problem on and off in 8.2 and now with 9.0. I'm using cups, and the samsung lazer driver (gdi), and a Samsung ML-4500. Everything had always worked great, but sometimes it will print the first page (usually of a pdf or ps file) and then just wait indefinitely. Lpq says it's in the queue, but even raising its priority to 100% doesn't always get it to print. If I restart cups, it just prints the first page again. My system is not working very hard, so I don't think it's a question of resources or processing time. Just wondered if anyone has any insight. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 15:38, Igor Izyumin wrote: QT would be a nicer choice than GTK. It looks better. GTK1 doesn't really look like Gnome2 and doesn't look like KDE. But then, that's up to the mandrake team to decide. -- -- Igor I don't think there are any perl bindings for qt3, and most drak's are written in perl. Austin
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 02:38:17PM -0500, Igor Izyumin wrote: : On Friday 18 October 2002 02:03 pm, David Walser wrote: : : Unless the same happens for perl-Gtk, maybe switching : to Qt wouldn't be a bad idea, us not being able to : release MCC on Gtk+2 for 9.0 is a perfect : demonstration of why. : : QT would be a nicer choice than GTK. It looks better. GTK1 doesn't really : look like Gnome2 and doesn't look like KDE. But then, that's up to the : mandrake team to decide. Oh dear god no. The thing I like about MCC and it being GTK-based is that it *respects* my .gtkrc settings. I have a consistent-looking desktop. Try that with QT-based YaST2. Even after strongarming with qtconfig portions of the same dialog box have on font while others have nothing that looks like any of my choices. Yuk... --Jerry Open-Source software isn't a matter of life or death... ...It's much more important than that!
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unless the same happens for perl-Gtk, maybe switching to Qt wouldn't be a bad idea, us not being able to release MCC on Gtk+2 for 9.0 is a perfect demonstration of why. Switching to Perl-Qt is a more complicated thing that it appears for you. I would cite the following points: - learning Qt - porting existing perl-gtk codebase to perl-qt - gtk apps are more desktop neutral than qt, qt apps in gnome would look uglier than gtk apps in kde (especially with the qt theme of gtk) - it would not bring much added value -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Friday 18 October 2002 04:35 pm, Austin Acton wrote: On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 16:17, scott chevalley wrote: I agree on most of these points, the only benefit being that it may then be possible to integrate the Drake tools into the Kde control center if they were based on QT. Other than that I just think that having a consistent interface that looks good is what matters, not what toolkit it uses. I think it's important that people (especially new people) realize that kde isn't an integral part of Mandrake, and that Mandrake isn't an integral part of KDE. Knowledgeable (even slightly) knowledgeable users are our best asset: they provide financial support, and real-world visibility for Mandrake. Convenience and usability are good, but inadvertently retarding new users isn't good. Since I don't think a KDE-integrated MCC would be THAT much more convenient, I don't think the dumb-down factor is worth the work or the slight convenience... Actually, it would be an order of magnitude less confusing. People don't really understand why KDE is not an integral part of Mandrake, and they expect all the tools to be in one place. It is very confusing when you have a fonts panel in the Kde Control Center and one in MCC and you don't know which one to use. Another possibility is to get rid of the control center and make a folder called 'control panel' where we put both the drak* tools and the KDE config things. It would look kinda like Windows's control panel. -- -- Igor
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
I think the treeview and the wizard could work together quite nicely, afterall it's just a form that has a basic set of operations: choose the programs to install - wait for them to download/copy - (check the gpg keys) - install them - return to the beginning. rpmdrake is not what should become a wizard...the actuall installer is what should become a wizard, no tree's here that i remember... you should be able to select the rpm's you want installed through rpmdrake like you currently do, but when you click the install button it then brings up the installer wizard much like the old rpmdrake and installer worked... http://www.phatvibez.net/images/mdk8_1/rpminst_depend.jpg http://www.phatvibez.net/images/mdk8_1/rpminst_descrip.jpg http://www.phatvibez.net/images/mdk8_1/rpminst_progress.jpg a lot of that could be cut out now and simplified though probably. then, like the previous post said, wait to check the gpg sig's after all have been downloaded and display any errors. remember that the installer can be run outside of rpmdrake... like right clicking an rpm in konq. - open with - Software Installer. (which should be the default if just clicked but for me it opens in kpackage) currently this is what i get... http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/images/rpminstall/depends.png http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/images/rpminstall/badsig1.png http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/images/rpminstall/depends.png this is what my intial email was about, you get two bad sig popups right in a row. 2. many apps use popup windows for questions/warnings/etc, they are generally considered as good UI design they are a good thing, but like any good thing too many is not -Brad
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 18:09, Igor Izyumin wrote: Actually, it would be an order of magnitude less confusing. People don't really understand why KDE is not an integral part of Mandrake, and they expect all the tools to be in one place. It is very confusing when you have a fonts panel in the Kde Control Center and one in MCC and you don't know which one to use. If people understand the difference between KDE and Mandrake, it will no be confusing, i.e. Mandrake tools for system (install/remove fonts), and KDE tools for KDE (aliasing, font sizes). My point was that it's good for people to learn this difference. Unless of course KDE and Mandrake someday DO become one product, then I'll stop using it. :-) And what if they decide to switch to gnome. They will have an instantly biased view against gnome because the font tools are not all in one place. Same with IceWM or whatever. And it won't be gnome's fault at all, it will be Mandrake's. Another possibility is to get rid of the control center and make a folder called 'control panel' where we put both the drak* tools and the KDE config things. It would look kinda like Windows's control panel. Now this is a much better idea. Group similar concepts together. That way if you have gnome installed, gnome tools show up in MCC (or whatever it's called), and KDE tools as well. Again though, this may confuse people... eg. why do I have to be su to change MY font size?... I still think educating the user in a very intuitive way is a better idea that handing out an easy solution (read: cover-up) that won't help him at all on another distro, or another machine, or another version of MDK. I think better documentation, more obvious documentation, and maybe more intuitive access to the 'control' tools is a better idea. Like I said earlier, it doesn't take much to make a newbie into a major linux (and/or Mandrake) supporter, but he's unlikely to do so without learning a FEW unix concepts... IMHO anyway, Austin
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
--- Austin Acton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 17:09, David Walser wrote: Um...hello? http://www.mandrake.com/en/archives/cooker/2002-10/msg00306.php Okay okay, true. However, I don't seem to receive cooker messages in chronological order, so I got that after I replied. Austin Ahh, sorry :o( __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
--- Austin Acton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If people understand the difference between KDE and Mandrake, it will no be confusing, i.e. Mandrake tools for system (install/remove fonts), and KDE tools for KDE (aliasing, font sizes). My point was that it's good for people to learn this difference. Unless of true course KDE and Mandrake someday DO become one product, then I'll stop using it. :-) And what if they decide to switch to gnome. They Then I'll stop using it :o) will have an instantly biased view against gnome because the font tools are not all in one Ideally it could integrate into KControl or Gnome-Control-Center. As I understand it they already have that capability for panel applets. This is something KDE and GNOME need to get worked out first though. place. Same with IceWM or whatever. And it won't GO Ice :D be gnome's fault at all, it will be Mandrake's. Another possibility is to get rid of the control center and make a folder called 'control panel' where we put both the drak* tools and the KDE config things. It would look kinda like Windows's control panel. Now this is a much better idea. Group similar concepts together. That way if you have gnome installed, gnome tools show up in MCC (or whatever it's called), and KDE tools as well. Again though, this may confuse people... eg. why do I have to be su to change MY font size?... That'd just make another level of indirection to get to config stuff, unless it's like the rpmdrake family where you can still get to the components directly. I still think educating the user in a very intuitive way is a better idea that handing out an easy solution (read: cover-up) that won't help him at all on another distro, or another machine, or another version of MDK. I agree with that. I think better documentation, more obvious documentation, and maybe more intuitive access to the 'control' tools is a better idea. Like I said earlier, it doesn't take much to make a newbie into a major linux (and/or Mandrake) supporter, but he's unlikely to do so without learning a FEW unix concepts... IMHO anyway, Austin __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] g++ Error?
On Friday 18 October 2002 21:05, Matthew C. Tedder wrote: Why does g++ tell me that the iostream.h header has been depricated? You've got to be joking, if this is true.. Is this a bug? If the only header I include is iostream.h, I get this warning message: /usr/include/c++/3.2/backward/backward_warning.h:32:2: warning: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the X header for the X.h header for C++ includes, or sstream instead of the deprecated header strstream.h. To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated. Trying to locate this in the ISO standard PDF file is also difficult--why has no one implemented a find feature in Mandrake's default PDF viewer?! Matthew That's because it's not standard! The standard says that the header should be iostream (Actually all C++ standard headers are H-less, except for ISO C header files) G++ tells you here that it is not standard, it will accept and compile it but there is no guarantee that other compiler would. This is not a Mandrake issue at all - it's the default behavior of g++ Eyal
Re: [Cooker] g++ Error?
Matthew C. Tedder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why does g++ tell me that the iostream.h header has been depricated? You've got to be joking, if this is true.. Is this a bug? If the only header I include is iostream.h, I get this warning message: /usr/include/c++/3.2/backward/backward_warning.h:32:2: warning: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the X header for the X.h header for C++ includes, or sstream instead of the deprecated header strstream.h. To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated. Well it's pretty clear, it tells you to substitute iostream.h with iostream -- have you tried that? -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
[Cooker] g++ Error?
Why does g++ tell me that the iostream.h header has been depricated? You've got to be joking, if this is true.. Is this a bug? If the only header I include is iostream.h, I get this warning message: /usr/include/c++/3.2/backward/backward_warning.h:32:2: warning: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the X header for the X.h header for C++ includes, or sstream instead of the deprecated header strstream.h. To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated. Trying to locate this in the ISO standard PDF file is also difficult--why has no one implemented a find feature in Mandrake's default PDF viewer?! Matthew
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, scott chevalley wrote: I agree on most of these points, the only benefit being that it may then be possible to integrate the Drake tools into the Kde control center if they were based on QT. Other than that I just think that having a consistent interface that looks good is what matters, not what toolkit it uses. Depends on what you mean by integration ... There is no need to use Qt to embed into KDE Control Center, in fact someone has done a control center module that can embed any legacy tool, and it worked fine with MCC (and some menu magic could make it work better). Of course it does look a bit weird. Consistent GTK and Qt themes would fix this though. Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, David Walser wrote: --- Jerry A! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't a function of Qt or Gtk+, it's the application. For some strange reason YaST2 hardcodes its theme/font settings. As long as MCC didn't do this you could have just as consistent a desktop with Qt. Probably not such a strange reason. What if you've hosed the fonts, then you can't get back to the font configuration tool to fix it. It's similar to the problem that yuo can't use MCC to get to mousedrake without a mouse (D'Oh). Sure, most of us know that we can run mousedrake in a console, but I have personally had to tell newbies that so they could get a working mouse. Similar things should be done in other areas, so that users don't have to know every single app in existance to fix something basic. Like maybe if xkeepscrashing, start it up in framebuffer mode running XFdrake? I mean, windows95 did the equivalent (Safe Mode). Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On 2002.10.18 Igor Izyumin wrote: On Friday 18 October 2002 02:07 pm, David Walser wrote: --- David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I don't think anti-aliasing is eye candy in this case. Since people sometimes spend all day in front of the screen, the ease with which they can read screen text can make a world of real difference on eye strain or overall experience. Yeah, but some of us don't want those blurry AA fonts messing up our eyes :o( I agree. Notice that Microsoft doesn't use AA on their OS - that's because it's easier to read good fonts without it! AA fonts are actually very bad on the eyes - the eyes perceive them as unfocused and try to focus on them, which obviously doesn't work and strains them. AA is OK for large fonts (20px or more) but for anything less than 20 it is horrible. I suppose it all depends on AA quality. MacOS X does fine even on 8 pt fonts. They look agood and readable. Even at 166x1200 on a 17 Sony. -- J.A. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ Software is like sex: werewolf.able.es \ It's better when it's free Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Cooker) for i586 Linux 2.4.20-pre11-jam1 (gcc 3.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.0 3.2-2mdk))
[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kdebase-3.1-0.beta2.13mdk
--=-=-= Name: kdebase Summary : K Desktop Environment - Core files Description : Core applications for the K Desktop Environment. --=-=-= KDE is main DE for Mandrake and at the same time it has worst description. Please write a better one.
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
On 2002.10.18 Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Elliott Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a slight side note, the fact that rpmdrake stops downloading while it waits for you to decide to continue given a bad or non-existent gpg key should definately be changed. The number of popups could be drastically reduced just by doing the gpg check at the end of the downloads, and could be placed in one dialog box with check boxes next to each package with a bad sig allowing you to choose which ones you still want to install, if any. I put that in my todo. It sounds reasonable, logical, and good for people using it like you. If there is no technical problem, I'll do it. An idea: the common dialog+progress bar could be integrated in a GtkStatusBar in the bottom of the window, and you get rid of the popup window most used allthe time. And an option something like '--unattended' would be nice: install what you can, if some pgk fails don't install it nor anything that depends on it. So you can start the update, go back in 2 hours and see what happened (I know, urpmi supports something like this, but it requires to update _everything_, not just select a bunch of packages) -- J.A. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ Software is like sex: werewolf.able.es \ It's better when it's free Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Cooker) for i586 Linux 2.4.20-pre11-jam1 (gcc 3.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.0 3.2-2mdk))
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Friday 18 October 2002 21:42, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: - you can't install a bootloader on a XFS partition, and.. no one except a few distro reviewers do that :-( The are poeple who use the nt windows bootselector. Then you have to install lilo also on the root partition
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Saturday 19 Oct 2002 00:12, andre wrote: On Friday 18 October 2002 21:42, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: - you can't install a bootloader on a XFS partition, and.. no one except a few distro reviewers do that :-( The are poeple who use the nt windows bootselector. Then you have to install lilo also on the root partition Ditto for those using Acronis OS Selector (like me) or Partition Magic, exect I install on the boot partition (not mounted by default). Peter -- Gentoo Linux 1.4 (Portage 2.0.38). KDE: 3.0.4 Qt: 3.0.5 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1600+ 512MB. Kernel: 2.4.19-win4lin. GCC 3.2 Linux user #275590 (http://counter.li.org/). up 8:04.
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
On Friday 18 October 2002 16:08, J.A. Magallon wrote: On 2002.10.18 Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Elliott Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a slight side note, the fact that rpmdrake stops downloading while it waits for you to decide to continue given a bad or non-existent gpg key should definately be changed. The number of popups could be drastically reduced just by doing the gpg check at the end of the downloads, and could be placed in one dialog box with check boxes next to each package with a bad sig allowing you to choose which ones you still want to install, if any. I put that in my todo. It sounds reasonable, logical, and good for people using it like you. If there is no technical problem, I'll do it. An idea: the common dialog+progress bar could be integrated in a GtkStatusBar in the bottom of the window, and you get rid of the popup window most used allthe time. And an option something like '--unattended' would be nice: install what you can, if some pgk fails don't install it nor anything that depends on it. So you can start the update, go back in 2 hours and see what happened (I know, urpmi supports something like this, but it requires to update _everything_, not just select a bunch of packages) The only problem with having that sort of thing be changed by a command line option is that you really have to know what you're doing (open a console and run the command with a --help) to get to these options. I guess I just don't agree with having a graphical program have settings that can only be modified non-graphically, especially since if you run the program from the control center the command line options can't be altered. -Elliott
Re: [Cooker] 9.1
Vox said: What is the plan for 9.1? Should we expect just updated packages or Mandrake will cook something interesting? One thing i'd like to see is a unified theme for gtk gtk2 kde xmms licq mozilla X apps etc. That I don't really care about...I use E, have used the same theme for 2 or 3 years (dirtchamber by egggman) and don't plan on changing that in the foreseeable future (ie. till e17 comes out). Thats not about post-costomiztion it's about first thing user will see after installation. Imagine we had red color calculator green textpad yellow mozilla and nobody cared to change it becase they used to it or have thir own .Xresources available. Why not make it look good (it does but we can improve it).
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Pixel wrote: I did with no pb. The pb only occurs when the mouse cursor is not in the window. By default, the cursor is in the middle of the screen. Since windows are centered, it works! If we are installing without a mouse, where does the mouse cursor come from? -- Sincerely, David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg79374/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1.) xfs support (with no ext2 /boot parition). I just reported this recently, and have reported it ever since xfs support went in versions ago. XFS boot hasn't any real problem. - most floppy will fail (that's no big deal) - you can't install a bootloader on a XFS partition, and.. no one except a few distro reviewers do that :-( Does the MBR count as a partition? This is where I try to install LILO and GRUB, but no luck booting :( -- Sincerely, David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg79375/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
scott chevalley wrote: I agree on most of these points, the only benefit being that it may then be possible to integrate the Drake tools into the Kde control center if they were based on QT. Other than that I just think that having a consistent interface that looks good is what matters, not what toolkit it uses. just my 0.02 worth... Scott I was just reading today how some big KDE players like David Faure think PerlQT3 is great. It shouldn't be too much work to port existing tools. They could use yet another rewrite anyway. From a user's (and admin's) perspective the config tools are some of the most important reasons to pick Mandrake. Maybe GTK apps are more 'neutral' with regard to their looks, but instead, consider how much of the userbase uses KDE. In fact, when Mandrake first started, KDE was *the* main selling point. Since I will guess that 70% of Mandrake users use KDE and not GNOME, it might be better to use a KDE (or QT) LNF. I think the reason GTK was chosen in the first place (besides maybe QT bindings not being available), is that GTK is what the Mandrake coders knew, so the choice seems arbitrary rather than based on 'looks'. -- Sincerely, David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg79376/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Vox wrote: This time Guillaume Cottenceau [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even still, rpmdrake should work without a mouse. It does not. Why? Rpmdrake without a mouse is not at all a priority. Damn, why don't people setup a mouse for GUI's, or use urpmi if they don't want a GUI? I don't get it. If you have no mouse or the mouse wheel goes crazy, you won' be able to get past the install packages stage. I have to confess I didn't even test rpmdrake without a mouse, this tells pretty well the important I stick to it :). I'm thinking he means hardrake and not rpmdrake...the installer is where the mouse-goes-crazy thing happens sometimes. I meant rpmdrake. Yes, harddrake mouse detection might be where it initially happens, but the net effect is that one is unable to continue with the installation. And if the thread was followed, I *was* using the mouse but it stopped working during the installation. -- Sincerely, David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg79377/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] 9.1
Jason Straight said: Better fonts (freetype hinting, please enable it if you can) and fonts configuration tools. I second the freetype. What type of configuration tool did you have in mind? I'd like to have font preview for differect sizes and print this page for a single font and font collection (with custom sample text). I'd like to have better naming convention i don't care is it is iso-1 or iso-15 or iso10646-1 i'd like to see English and English with euro and Unicode (with information about what languages it supports) I'd like to know when it is hinted, when smoothed, when when hinted and smoothed (Xft) and to control it. Maybe copyright and font supplier (with url and all available information) if it is opentype font. Different fonts are better suited for different things i'd like to see thir history and description with recomendation (+ somme common grouping) I'd like to have my own local fonts and i'd like to have them in the organized manner (Russian monospace, for presentation) and i'd like to enable/disable font collection at any time. I'd like to know how many fonts installed/active TrueType/OpenType/Type1/Speedo/etc Revolution is what MS does, it's a violent way of making too many changes at one time and not being able to stabilize the code, evolution is gradual and reliable, and doesn't require reeducation at every release. It's hard enough to keep up with all the changes mandrake makes to configuration type stuff (not that it's bad - sure better than the time I'd spend turning slak or debian into what I get from mdk). Also i'd like to see User templates where i can set their shell, account/availability, group membership, password control. Rights profile: can login, can use mail, can run selected commands, mount disks, view rpm packages installed, add users... I'd like to use control center one one computer to control all mandrake boxes on network.
[Cooker] unreal tournament demo problem with cooker
Hello, I've just tried the demo of Unreal tournament 2003 game ( http://www.unrealtournament2003.com/?downloads ) and I have the following error message : Backtrace: [ 1] /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 [0x40d6be55] Signal: SIGSEGV [segmentation fault] Aborting. Thanks for your help/fix, Florent
Re: [Cooker] First Page Printing
On Friday 18 October 2002 04:48 pm, Austin Acton wrote: On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 17:27, Igor Izyumin wrote: I used to have this problem a LONG time ago, back when Linux used LPD (ugh!). It's probably the driver somehow getting stuck on the end of the first page. You might want to try installing Turboprint (commercial) or some other driver. -- -- Igor Hmm, that's what I thought, because it NEVER happens with my epson printer. But I was under the impression that the gdi (samsung) drivers were very good. In fact I bought the printer because it said RedHat Compatible on the box. :-) Austin I don't know then. You might want to turn on the debug option for cups and look in /var/log/cups/page_log and /var/log/cups/error_log to see any errors. By the way, on a slightly related note, does anyone know why Windows XP doesn't print to CUPS that comes with 9.0? It used to work ok on 8.2 once I enabled raw printing support; it doesn't work on 9.0. The web page shows the print job as 'cancelled'. If I print the job manually (lpr -o raw file) it works fine. Any ideas? -- -- Igor
[Cooker] KDM is going crazy
Hi, Yesterday, a power outage shutted down my computer, and when it booted up, KDB was going crazy, I couldn't login with any user, even with root. Now, I have to use gdm instead. At start, KDM showed tons of users in its user icon space, I saw gpm, mysql, postfix users, which are for certain programs only. Anyone know how KDM authenticates with the system? I can login with console or gdm. Thanks for any hint. __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
[Cooker] PerlQt 3
Hi, PerlQt 3 was released a month ago. URL is http://perlqt.infonium.com/ I tried to compile it with 9.0 Perl and Qt. It compiled OK but I got a segfault at runtime. I hope that this nice package will be in Cooker soon. (Who knows, maybe MCC will change to this... No flames please I like most of MCC as it is now just my personal preference) Eyal
Re: [Cooker] unreal tournament demo problem with cooker
On Saturday 19 October 2002 02:05, Florent BERANGER wrote: Hello, I've just tried the demo of Unreal tournament 2003 game ( http://www.unrealtournament2003.com/?downloads ) and I have the following error message : Backtrace: [ 1] /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 [0x40d6be55] Signal: SIGSEGV [segmentation fault] Aborting. Thanks for your help/fix, Florent Ran OK for me. (Athlon + NVIDIA drivers) Eyal
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Friday, October 18, 2002, at 06:01 PM, David Walluck wrote:
I agree on most of these points, the only benefit being that it may
then be possible to integrate the Drake tools into the Kde control
center if they were based on QT. Other than that I just think that
having a consistent interface that looks good is what matters, not
what toolkit it uses. just my 0.02 worth...
Scott
I was just reading today how some big KDE players like David Faure
think PerlQT3 is great.
It shouldn't be too much work to port existing tools. They could use
yet another rewrite anyway. From a user's (and admin's) perspective
the config tools are some of the most important reasons to pick
Mandrake.
Maybe GTK apps are more 'neutral' with regard to their looks, but
instead, consider how much of the userbase uses KDE. In fact, when
Mandrake first started, KDE was *the* main selling point.
Since I will guess that 70% of Mandrake users use KDE and not GNOME,
it might be better to use a KDE (or QT) LNF. I think the reason GTK
was chosen in the first place (besides maybe QT bindings not being
available), is that GTK is what the Mandrake coders knew, so the
choice seems arbitrary rather than based on 'looks'.
Can you tell me if qt requires any KDE junk installed? Ie. in order to
use MCC, will a user have to install kdebase or kdelibs or is qt
enough? One very good reason for using GTK is that you do not need
GNOME installed.
It would not be a good idea *at all* to require a bunch of KDE stuff in
order to use the control center. What about server systems that only
have, for example, blackbox or windowmaker installed? Are we to tell
them that with 9.1 they must install a bunch of useless KDE stuff in
order to use the drak* tools? With GTK, they don't have to install
GNOME, so this is a step backward just to use the latest thing.
Please tell me I'm wrong... =) I don't use KDE, have no interest in
using KDE, and since you know so much about perl-qt, I ask you instead
of bothering to look around and figure it out on my own.
If any such dependencies are a factor, than I strongly argue against
any change that would require such additional cruft to be installed.
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Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
Vincent Danen wrote: Can you tell me if qt requires any KDE junk installed? Ie. in order to use MCC, will a user have to install kdebase or kdelibs or is qt enough? One very good reason for using GTK is that you do not need GNOME installed. It would not be a good idea *at all* to require a bunch of KDE stuff in order to use the control center. What about server systems that only have, for example, blackbox or windowmaker installed? Are we to tell them that with 9.1 they must install a bunch of useless KDE stuff in order to use the drak* tools? With GTK, they don't have to install GNOME, so this is a step backward just to use the latest thing. The relationship between QT and KDE is the same as the relationship between GTK+ and GNOME. You *do not* need to have KDE or the KDE libraries installed in order to use QT. I feel the same way about GNOME as you do about KDE. I don't use GNOME as my desktop environment, and I recently uninstalled GNOME to save disk space, but I still continue to use a few GTK+ apps (grip, gaim, to name a few). The reason I suggested QT has nothing to do with my preferences, however. I don't know if Mandrake would even consider this. But if so, I suggest they do a poll (even on a vote on the club might be a good idea). -- Sincerely, David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg79385/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, David Walluck wrote: Vincent Danen wrote: Can you tell me if qt requires any KDE junk installed? Ie. in order to use MCC, will a user have to install kdebase or kdelibs or is qt enough? One very good reason for using GTK is that you do not need GNOME installed. It would not be a good idea *at all* to require a bunch of KDE stuff in order to use the control center. What about server systems that only have, for example, blackbox or windowmaker installed? Are we to tell them that with 9.1 they must install a bunch of useless KDE stuff in order to use the drak* tools? With GTK, they don't have to install GNOME, so this is a step backward just to use the latest thing. The relationship between QT and KDE is the same as the relationship between GTK+ and GNOME. You *do not* need to have KDE or the KDE libraries installed in order to use QT. I feel the same way about GNOME as you do about KDE. I don't use GNOME as my desktop environment, and I recently uninstalled GNOME to save disk space, but I still continue to use a few GTK+ apps (grip, gaim, to name a few). The reason I suggested QT has nothing to do with my preferences, however. I don't know if Mandrake would even consider this. But if so, I suggest they do a poll (even on a vote on the club might be a good idea). I'm not sure I believe this. At any rate, I hope Mandrakesoft doesn't follow your suggestion, and I'll be honest and say it DOES have something to do with my preferences. KDE looks dorky and reminds me too much of windoz. Dale Huckeby
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--- Dale Huckeby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure I believe this. At any rate, I hope Mandrakesoft doesn't follow your suggestion, and I'll be honest and say it DOES have something to do with my preferences. KDE looks dorky and reminds me too much of windoz. Sounds more like GNOME. Anyway, that has nothing to do with the toolkit chosen for MCC. __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] cups landscape printing broken 1.1.16-0.4 / 9.0 BETA - Bug report / Printing
This works now: ls|lp -olandscape Thank You! Rob Fantini
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On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 12:52:09AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: : On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, David Walser wrote: : : --- Jerry A! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : This isn't a function of Qt or Gtk+, it's the : application. For some strange reason YaST2 hardcodes : its theme/font settings. As long as MCC didn't do : this you could have just as consistent a desktop with : Qt. : : : Probably not such a strange reason. What if you've hosed the fonts, then : you can't get back to the font configuration tool to fix it. What rm ~/.gtkrc isn't good enough? 8) --Jerry Open-Source software isn't a matter of life or death... ...It's much more important than that!
Re: [Cooker] Re: Minor bug:: warning: /etc/links.cfg created as /etc/links.cfg.rpmnew
Wesley J Landaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] It's also happened here on *all* of my cooker machines for both of the last two versions. I also diffed the files and they were exactly identical (same size, same contents). So it might be a rare bug, but in this case, at least, it's repeatable across all sorts of configurations. still, it didn't happen on any box here :-/
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David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pixel wrote: This is definately a problem. Fully reproducable on all 15 installs at LUG. And I definately agree that keybard support in the installer NEEDS to be added. Pixel, is it possible that this could be looked at? ?? keyboard support is quite ok. The only known pb is that sometimes, keyboard focus doesn't work, so if the mouse is not in the middle of the screen, you don't have the focus and can't do anything. Right. That is the problem. How can you operate the GUI without a mouse if you can't focus the window? Someone should verify that it works by performing the Normal and Expert installs with no mouse attached to prove that it works. I did with no pb. The pb only occurs when the mouse cursor is not in the window. By default, the cursor is in the middle of the screen. Since windows are centered, it works!
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Igor Izyumin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 18 October 2002 07:27 am, David Walluck wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: David Walluck wrote: 1.) xfs support (with no ext2 /boot parition). I just reported this recently, and have reported it ever since xfs support went in versions ago. The issue isn't where your boot partition is (AFAIK), it's where LILO is installed to (not necessarily the same thinge). Last time I tried XFS on root there was a warning. LILO is on the MBR, not the disk partition itself. GRUB doesn't have luck either. She was installing Lilo on the partition itself, because she had another bootloader on the MBR. Ah i didn't understand what this was all about. I forgot about this pb. I'm not much used to people installing on partition instead of MBR. There definitely should be some sort of a warning if you don't create and ext2/3 partition. Oh my... It works nicely for anything else than XFS. And even, this *** * *** eugenia could have installed it on the swap partition! (not tested, but AFAIK it should work!)
