Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-25 Thread mike wilson
2008/09/24 Wed PM 05:26:52 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview > > Bob W wrote: > > > I think I really want some of what Bob is smoking... > > > My cleaner's Bulgarian and she always puts my forks back in the wron

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-24 Thread Doug Franklin
Hi Ken, Ken Waller wrote: > With the ringflash by itself, I had the best results by covering half of the > flash tube with tape. > > I also carried a small slave flash (that was triggered by the flash from the > ringflash), held off to the side of the subject surface - I generally got > the b

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-24 Thread Frits Wüthrich
ng was officially stated, except a tentative date... > > We'll see of course ... > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:58 AM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Thibouille" >> Subject: Official, details on Dprevi

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Scott Loveless wrote: >> Bob W wrote: >> >>> My cleaner's Bulgarian and she always puts my forks back in the wrong >>> drawer. I don't think she knows what they are. >>> > > P. J. Alling wrote: > > I think I really want some of what Bob is smoking... > > Screw that. I want someone to

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-24 Thread Scott Loveless
> Bob W wrote: >> My cleaner's Bulgarian and she always puts my forks back in the wrong >> drawer. I don't think she knows what they are. P. J. Alling wrote: > I think I really want some of what Bob is smoking... Screw that. I want someone to clean my house for me. -- Scott Loveless New Cum

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Bob W wrote: I think I really want some of what Bob is smoking... > My cleaner's Bulgarian and she always puts my forks back in the wrong > drawer. I don't think she knows what they are. > > The Chinese invented forks in 27,000 BC during the Tang dynasty, but > their use as food implements was

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview >6 frame RAW buffer on the D300? Huh? I typically get between 15-25 RAW > frames depending on settings (RAW compression, bit depth, DR expansion > and both types of NR all drop the bu

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-24 Thread Adam Maas
Paul, In low light there really is no comparison in AF performance between the D300 and the Pentax's the D300 is simply massively better. Of course it's also something of a category breaker, offering AF performance that previously was only available on $4k+ Pro bodies, there's nothing in the sub-$

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-24 Thread David Mann
On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Cotty wrote: > Fork handles? Got any fork handles? Oh yes, one of the true classics. Here's another of my favourites: Swedish Made Simple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkWMcRlE1mQ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pd

Re: Official, details on Dpreview + Oops fix

2008-09-24 Thread mike wilson
> > From: John Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2008/09/23 Tue PM 09:44:21 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview + Oops fix > > Just think of the messages we are saving...I read just yesterday > that a fork in ti

RE: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-24 Thread Bob W
> > Who knows... haven't been there, haven't seen that :) It is highly > > possible, that in some regions fork was more known and > accepted than in > > others. > > I'll have to ask my Bulgarian friend to query his friends > there. Since > the area's been constantly inhabited for nearly 8000

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
I use the same two lenses for weddings. They're perfectly matched to that task. I would take the friend's comments and divide them by half. Yes, I'm sure the D300 offers better autofocus, but defending one's purchase tends to multiply benefits exponentially. And don't forget that the two le

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Ken Waller
I understand there once was a University of Fork, where the students would chant at athletic events "FORK U";+} Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Official, det

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Bruce Dayton
That is most likely what I'll do. The cost of lens switching makes it a much bigger deal. And, I am happy with my lenses. For weddings I'm using the 16-50/2.8 and 50-135/2.8 - both of which are just right for that venue. But it would be nice to have Pentax cause some excitement again. Seeing on

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Christine Aguila
- Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 23/9/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>Remember "When you come to the fork in the road, take it!" -- Yogi Berra > > When you reach the top of the mountain, keep going! -- The Buddha. When you're at the botto

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Cotty
On 23/9/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: >Remember "When you come to the fork in the road, take it!" -- Yogi Berra When you reach the top of the mountain, keep going! -- The Buddha. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cotty

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Doug Franklin
Margus Männik wrote: > Who knows... haven't been there, haven't seen that :) It is highly > possible, that in some regions fork was more known and accepted than in > others. I'll have to ask my Bulgarian friend to query his friends there. Since the area's been constantly inhabited for nearly

Re: Official, details on Dpreview + Oops fix

2008-09-23 Thread John Graves
Just think of the messages we are saving...I read just yesterday that a fork in time saves nine! John Graves WA1JG Scott Loveless wrote: frank theriault wrote: > Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne > had thousands of forks. The unicorns had to eat with

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
I was pleased with the low light autofocus performance I got at last weeks wedding reception with the K20D and DA* 16-50/2.8. In dim tungsten lighting, I didn't have a problem with shots that didn't involve a lot of action. For some of the late night dancing, I went to a hyperfocal setting

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread P. J. Alling
frank theriault wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had >> such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon - >> the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the w

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread John Graves
Just think of the messages we are saving...I read just yesterday that a fork in saves nine! John Graves WA1JG Scott Loveless wrote: > frank theriault wrote: > >> Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne >> had thousands of forks. The unicorns had to eat wi

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Cotty
On 23/9/08, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: >> Fork handles? Got any fork handles? > >Over there, next to the plugs. Try here :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Scott Loveless
frank theriault wrote: > Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne > had thousands of forks. The unicorns had to eat with something, as > you can well imagine. What a coincidence. I got my diploma from Prester Johanne High School. Unfortunately, the unicorns ran o

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Margus Männik
Holy Fork :) BR, Margus Bob W wrote: > No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had > such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon - > the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the whole world > was caught in a lie that no one could break ou

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had > such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon - > the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the whole world > was caught in a lie

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Margus Männik
frank theriault wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Margus Männik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> copy-paste from Wikipedia: >> "First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu >> , Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto >

RE: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Bob W
No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon - the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the whole world was caught in a lie that no one could break out of. It was only Popes, Emperors and the Negus

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Steve Desjardins
Hey, what the hell is this photography comment doing here? Some people have no respect for forks. >>> Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9/23/2008 3:41 PM >>> That is about the same for me. Low light performance, low light AF are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light perfo

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 08:43:15PM +0100, Cotty wrote: > On 23/9/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in > >those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made > >another. After that forks started to get out of han

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Cotty
On 23/9/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in >those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made >another. After that forks started to get out of hand. Fork handles? Got any fork handles? -- Cheers, Cotty _

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Bruce Dayton
That is about the same for me. Low light performance, low light AF are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light performance. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:31:46 AM, you wrote: PS> Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for PS

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Margus Männik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > copy-paste from Wikipedia: > "First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu > , Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto > II

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Margus Männik
Well OK, let's continue with Wikipedia (right after the what I copied last time): "It was proper for a guest to arrive with his own fork and spoon enclosed in a box called a /cadena/" In other words, everyone had their OWN fork, not just one for a whole table. BR, Margus Bob W wrote: > but the

RE: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Bob W
but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made another. After that forks started to get out of hand. Bob > > Hi there, > > copy-paste from Wikipedia: > "First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century b

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Margus Männik
Hi there, copy-paste from Wikipedia: "First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu , Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto II , the table fork had, by the 11th century, made its way to Italy

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Adam Maas
6 frame RAW buffer on the D300? Huh? I typically get between 15-25 RAW frames depending on settings (RAW compression, bit depth, DR expansion and both types of NR all drop the buffer, you'd need to turn everything on to get 6-9 frames and some options are mutually exclusive or the buffer is irrelev

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread P. J. Alling
Toralf Lund wrote: > P. J. Alling wrote: > >> Ok, I just looked at the Pentax web site, they say it supports K and m43 >> lenses but with restrictions, so unless they did a quick cut and paste >> from a different camera I guess at least the shutter will fire with one >> mounted, however I did

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D, but it must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It would be perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a dozen lenses. Yikes! Paul On

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread David Savage
That'd be mulled. It's bad stuff, but not donkey piss bad 2008/9/23 David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ye olde muled vodka & orange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above a

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread David Savage
2008/9/23 frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in >> a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF >> assist lamp on, but I was b

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread P. J. Alling
Impressive shot. David Savage wrote: > 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Your last comment >> On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: >> >> >>> It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was >>> introduced in the >>> ist film body, and while it has ha

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Toralf Lund
P. J. Alling wrote: > Ok, I just looked at the Pentax web site, they say it supports K and m43 > lenses but with restrictions, so unless they did a quick cut and paste > from a different camera I guess at least the shutter will fire with one > mounted, however I didn't see a menu item to enable

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread P. J. Alling
frank theriault wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in >> a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF >> assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in > a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF > assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests & causing a few odd > expressions

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread David Savage
2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Your last comment > On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: > >> >> It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was >> introduced in the >> ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it >> needs to >> be impro

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Boris Liberman
Argh, slightly sarcastic is too subtle for me to recognize. You got me here, sir William ;-). But I am glad that you understood me exactly right and that you seem to be in agreement with most of my argument. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was being s

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Boris Liberman
No Paul, I don't want a pinky ring, for whatever that worth ($5000 may be ;-) ). But I would gladly invest $1,500 or may be even $2,000 in a new body that would have to be full frame with KAF mount. I should tell you that I am not worried about K10D mechanicals. However, my trusty *istD started to

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
Your last comment On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: > > It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was > introduced in the > ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it > needs to > be improved. > Improved autofocus is number one on my list f

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview > Bill, I humbly disagree with you. > > People who buy K-m are likely to buy those plastic mount kit lenses > along the way. Then of course, for them (<-- please notice

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
etty > much content about my gear. I only want to feel certain that when some > of it expires (as it has to), I will be able to buy new gear just as > good as my current one. To be totally honest, I am not entirely > sure of > that. > > Boris > > > William R

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Derby Chang
Boris Liberman wrote: > On slightly different matter, I am surprised to see that DA* 55/1.4 > weighs just a hair below 400 grams with filter diameter of whopping 58 > mm. This is very big chunk of glass, much like just announced Nikon > 50/1.4G lens. I wonder why? At least Nikon covers full frame,

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
TED]> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Enviado: martes, 23 de septiembre, 2008 10:29:38 Asunto: Re: Official, details on Dpreview Well I'm not under NDA so I do not have access to first hand informations but... my sources which I can't talk about advised me to wait for PMA (January if

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Thibouille
Well I'm not under NDA so I do not have access to first hand informations but... my sources which I can't talk about advised me to wait for PMA (January if I'm not mistaken). The K-M IMO is a pretty nice low-end camera. Now Pentax needs a higher end one, either APS-C or FF (I don't care much perso

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Could you elaborate a bit more, please? Jaume - Mensaje original De: Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Enviado: martes, 23 de septiembre, 2008 6:54:51 Asunto: Re: Official, details on Dpreview You may know more about your Pentax future in a couple

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-23 Thread Cotty
On 23/9/08, Thibouille, discombobulated, unleashed: >You may know more about your Pentax future in a couple months (not >that many really) ... Free beer. Tomorrow. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com __

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Thibouille
You may know more about your Pentax future in a couple months (not that many really) ... -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Boris Liberman
est, I am not entirely sure of that. Boris William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Bruce Dayton" > Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview > > >> Hello Boris, >> >> Very well put. I was waiting to see what would come out of >

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bruce Dayton" Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview > Hello Boris, > > Very well put. I was waiting to see what would come out of > Photokina. Unfortunately, what I see is more of the same. More and > more low end bodies and

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Ken Waller
. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview > Ken Waller wrote: > >> I use to do alot of evidence photography & while the ring flash was >> grea

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Doug Franklin
Ken Waller wrote: > I use to do alot of evidence photography & while the ring flash was great > for alot of close up work, it was lacking when it came to capturing depth on > fracture surfaces. To get more depth on a textured surface, is it enough to have a two-segment flash and cover one of

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Thibouille
>From what I could find on the French website, you can program the '?' button to act as digital preview. I dunno if a usual 'in viewfinder' DOF preview is possible. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+U

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Adam Maas
Pentax no longer holds the #3 spot, their capture of that spot predates Sony's rollout of the A700 and then the A200/300/350 in January. Sony currently holds #3 by a fair margin, that's only going to get bigger as they build up their system to something similar to CaNikon's systems. Frankly, I wou

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Boris, Very well put. I was waiting to see what would come out of Photokina. Unfortunately, what I see is more of the same. More and more low end bodies and nothing above the middle. Some day, they ought to get caught up with the bottom, since that is mostly what they have been producing

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Ken Waller
Wasn't aware... thanks Joe Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "jtainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview > Ken's post: > > "Good to see the coming converter will work with olde

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Ken Waller
- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview > When I've used a ring flash like this, I simply used a piece of black > construction paper or some aluminum foil to shade part of the flash >

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Boris Liberman
John, the main problem here is that many people (I think it is many, but I may be wrong) may be willing to go that extra-buck and stretch themselves as far as to buy 5DMkII or D700 or A900. This is what I would definitely do now if I had Canon, Nikon or Sony/Minolta equivalent of lenses that I

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread jtainter
Ken's post: "Good to see the coming converter will work with older auto focus lenses. Just wonder which focal lengths?" - Earlier reports had it that it will be a rebadge of the optics of the Kenko Pro 300, which is a very good TC. I am waiting to get one to use with my F*600 F4. It shoul

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 03:28:37PM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: > Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and > K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, > Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. I'm really not convinced

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
When I've used a ring flash like this, I simply used a piece of black construction paper or some aluminum foil to shade part of the flash tube if I wanted to provide more directional lighting. Godfrey On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Ken Waller wrote: > Good to see the coming converter will wor

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Ken Waller
like to be able to get some contrast - a ring flash without segments to turn on & off produces a flat image (shadows give a sense of depth, therefore contrast). Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Thibouille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> S

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Now if Pentax can only get them into the big box stores, we'll get some support in the specialty shops... Michel Carrère-Gée wrote: > Thibouille a écrit : > >> .. >> Pentax K-m + previews >> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp >> >> > K2000 on US market ! : > http://

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread P. J. Alling
The *ist-Ds/l/[2] kx00d cameras don't have hyper program, but in manual mode the exposure lock button works just like the green button does on the *ist-D, (sets either aperture, shutter, or program line based on custom function) which is hyper manual by any other name. Boris Liberman wrote: > P

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread David Savage
2008/9/22 William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> - Original Message - > From: "Cotty" >> Bill you're so a Canon guy and you just don't know it ;) > > I still prefer Pentax glass. So do I. Shame about the bodies though. Cheers. Dave (enjoying his new toy) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Jack Davis
Jack --- On Mon, 9/22/08, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:30 AM > How do you know the b

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Thibouille a écrit : > .. > Pentax K-m + previews > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp > K2000 on US market ! : http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--K2000_Lens_and_Flash_System/reqID--10540163/subsection--digital_slr -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Boris Liberman
Paul, I understand you very well. But admit it, K20D is in no way a competitor to A900, D700 or 5DmkII. As such, it is indeed an upgrade from K10D but marketing-wise it does not move upwards on the class ladder; it remains the mid-level camera for advanced photography connoisseur such as yourself.

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Adam Maas
Paul, I'm thinking something more along the lines of the E-3 or D300 than a A900 or D700 as flagship. More speed, tougher build similar IQ to the K20D. I don't think Pentax is in a position to do a $3k+ body anytime soon, if only because the lens line is overwhelmingly DA's. Pentax would need to r

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Cotty" Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview > On 22/9/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>As I discovered yet again in the past couple of weeks, I can't manual >>focus >>fast enough to keep up wit

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/9/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >As I discovered yet again in the past couple of weeks, I can't manual focus >fast enough to keep up with my dogs, and would really like a good AF lens in >the short to mid tele range. Bill you're so a Canon guy and you just don't know it ;)

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread P. J. Alling
advantage of the softening price of the > K20D. > It, also, looks like I'll have plenty of time to save for the 60~250, If and > when... > > Jack > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> From: Paul Stenquist <[

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Ok, I just looked at the Pentax web site, they say it supports K and m43 lenses but with restrictions, so unless they did a quick cut and paste from a different camera I guess at least the shutter will fire with one mounted, however I didn't see a menu item to enable use of the aperture ring on

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Jack Davis
8, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:07 AM > For my purposes, the K20D has proved a substantia

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread P. J. Alling
If you want control over your camera the K-m makes it much more difficult. Two things the K200D has that the K-m Lacks, (that I noticed right off the bat), DOF preview and Green button modes. The K-m doesn't seem to support legacy K or M lenses and may not even allow m42 lenses, (unless they

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
For my purposes, the K20D has proved a substantial upgrade from the K10D, and the two cameras make a nice work pair. I'm pleased that I bought in right away, since the next upgrade still appears to be well in the future. Unless I start getting $200/hr. assignments, I can't see investing in

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Thibouille
I may be wrong... I though that the K200D has indeed program shift although it is a dumb shoft and no way HyperProgram. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) --

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Adam Maas
Overall I agree, and Pentax can always let the K20D drift downwards in price to cover that. But a flagship is very, very necessary now that every other maker except Panasonic is offering a flagship model. And Panny's likely exiting the DSLR market in favour of M4/3 which fits their proclivities bet

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Boris Liberman
Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. Having said that, if Pentax would as a matter of default actually include shiftable-P mode to a

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Adam Maas
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They claim here that the AF algorithms were reviewed... > http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/2008/200819.html > > Also there's a new AF-Amode, whatever it is... I'm curious. AF-A is intelligent switching between AF-S and AF-C.

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Thibouille" Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview > Difference being that it is officially announced to be available at that > date. > Before nothing was officially stated, except a tentative date... > > We'll see of cours

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Thibouille
They claim here that the AF algorithms were reviewed... http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/2008/200819.html Also there's a new AF-Amode, whatever it is... I'm curious. As for the DA-L lenses those have plastic mount, no QuickShift and no distance markings on the focussing ring. The a lighter as we

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:06:56 +0200, "Thibouille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Pentax K-m + previews > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp It seems like a perfectly nice entry level camera. I'm not sure where this leaves the K200D - doesn't seem to be much reason to buy it o

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Thibouille
t; From: "Thibouille" > Subject: Official, details on Dpreview > > >> Ring flash: >> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092202pentaxringflash.asp >> >> DA15/4 Limited and 1.4X converter >> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092203pentax15mmconvert

Re: Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Thibouille" Subject: Official, details on Dpreview > Ring flash: > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092202pentaxringflash.asp > > DA15/4 Limited and 1.4X converter > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092203pentax15mmconverter.as

Official, details on Dpreview

2008-09-22 Thread Thibouille
Ring flash: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092202pentaxringflash.asp DA15/4 Limited and 1.4X converter http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092203pentax15mmconverter.asp DA*55 and DA*60-250 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092204pentaxDAstarlenses.asp DA L 18-55 and DA L 50-200 http://www