Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[spw]

on 4/13/03 4:31 PM, jurren baars at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 erm, what i'm getting from your answer is that you don't find a lot of the
 new 313 and related music good enough to discuss it yourself, but you do
 expect others to discuss it for you?

The concept I have in mind is a neutral party like the list administrator
would compile and post
a list of new 313 artist/ label releases up for discussion.
 
 maybe there's a reason not every record gets mentioned on this list: the
 record is just not good enough. [can't speak for others, but when i don't
 have anything nice to say about a certain record, i choose not to say
 anything, rather then mention how bad i think that record was.]
 
 jurren

There is nothing wrong with expressing your disappointment about a record.
I choose not to review music I buy or preview on the internet because that
wouldn't be fair to
the artist.

Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[spw]

make that: don't buy.

on 4/13/03 5:24 PM, spw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I choose not to review music I buy or preview on the internet because that
 wouldn't be fair to
 the artist.

Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

-- Original Message --
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]

As for your list of records, from observing trend I get the
impression of a
soulful electronica
movement with people also having 80's dance music sensibility.
I'm not a huge fan of this movement nor am I a fan of deep house
sample
based music.

of all the people ive ever been on an internet mailing list with,
youve beat them all in irritating posts. even deejay entropy has
more interesting and insightful things to add than you do. really,
if you dont like the list, unsub and go make your own yahoo list
and post your distro lists there for you to read every week about
music you dont care about or like. just shut up. 

tom 


andythepooh.com


 
   

RE: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[David Powers]

Honestly I think that more 313 record reviews on this list would be a
good thing.  I don't get to buy many records, right now I don't even
have a job, and I sub to this list mostly to hear about records I might
be missing.  I'm not seeing as much of that as I used to here, and I do
feel that there has been a shift away from a techno sensibility too.  I
like deep house, broken beat, and italo-disco type things too sometimes,
but that's not really the kind of content I'm here for.  So if any of
you are buying things on the 313 related techno and electro tip, please
share your finds.

/dave

PS. I'm now in Chicago and I meant to contact some people in town who
emailed me, but in the process of installing a new operating system I've
been unable to access those old emails!!!  So please, any Chicago people
hit me up again.

-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:57 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

-- Original Message --
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]

As for your list of records, from observing trend I get the
impression of a
soulful electronica
movement with people also having 80's dance music sensibility.
I'm not a huge fan of this movement nor am I a fan of deep house
sample
based music.

of all the people ive ever been on an internet mailing list with,
youve beat them all in irritating posts. even deejay entropy has
more interesting and insightful things to add than you do. really,
if you dont like the list, unsub and go make your own yahoo list
and post your distro lists there for you to read every week about
music you dont care about or like. just shut up. 

tom 


andythepooh.com


 
   

Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[Phonopsia]

- Original Message -
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test


 on 4/13/03 4:31 PM, jurren baars at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  erm, what i'm getting from your answer is that you don't find a lot of
the
  new 313 and related music good enough to discuss it yourself, but you do
  expect others to discuss it for you?

 The concept I have in mind is a neutral party like the list administrator
 would compile and post
 a list of new 313 artist/ label releases up for discussion.

Read: 'Someone please do my work for me'. This list isn't here so someone
else can tell you what you should like - it's here so we can all find out
what other likeminded people like. It is a forum, not a magazine. No one
person is in a priviliged position to determine content. If you want a
magazine go and buy one.

Besides that, your request is being filled weekly by Matt in his 'Clinically
Inclined' playlists. His lists provide me with at least one solid
recommendation/week, if not more, and this show was solely responsible for
my introduction to Italo-disco. Watch/listen and learn about the past,
present and future. First step in that process is recognizing that you don't
already know everything.

 We have a list member promoting another list members label but a lot of
the
 new 313 music is not
 being discussed or mentioned.

Please tell us what you're so upset about!!! What are we neglecting to
mention that *you* know about? Why don't you include yourself in this forum
and contribute information about the artists you feel are neglected rather
than sitting on the sidelines, berating us for being cliquy? No one asked
you to join this list and bitch about how you don't fit. Either contribute
what you know or shut the f*ck up and take what's relevant to you.

 As for your list of records, from observing trend I get the impression of
a
 soulful electronica
 movement with people also having 80's dance music sensibility.
 I'm not a huge fan of this movement nor am I a fan of deep house sample
 based music.

You sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. Please spend more
of your energy talking about what you know than slagging me off. It will
make us both much happier.

Tristan
===
Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
Music: http://www.mp313.com
Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[Phonopsia]

- Original Message -
From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 1:36 AM
Subject: RE: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism


 Honestly I think that more 313 record reviews on this list would be a
 good thing.  I don't get to buy many records, right now I don't even
 have a job, and I sub to this list mostly to hear about records I might
 be missing.  I'm not seeing as much of that as I used to here, and I do
 feel that there has been a shift away from a techno sensibility too.  I
 like deep house, broken beat, and italo-disco type things too sometimes,
 but that's not really the kind of content I'm here for.  So if any of
 you are buying things on the 313 related techno and electro tip, please
 share your finds.


Hi Dave,

The reason why I haven't posted many reviews of those records is for the
same reasons you list. I don't think they're specific enough to this list to
warrant a review. Those that I feel are topical I've mentioned. I know you
weren't speaking to me in specific, but thought I'd clarify, since I feel
the same way. Honestly I would love to see more talk about new Detroit
Techno, but I don't think there's a whole lot of it that's worth talking
about at the moment. I'm spending more money on hip hop than techno right
now. I could post loads of house reviews, and I intend to review some of the
more [313]-relevant stuff, but I just haven't had the time. Soon.

Tristan
===
Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
Music: http://www.mp313.com
Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[J. T.]

Honestly I think that more 313 record reviews on this list would be a
good thing.  I don't get to buy many records, right now I don't even


there just isnt a lot of music coming out of detroit these days (??). a lot 
of detroity music doesnt come from detroit..a lot of detroit music doesnt 
come on detroit labels...this is nothing new but it's gotten really slanted, 
detroit labels seem fairly quiet these days...


as far as technono one listens to techno anymore (sadly)...there just 
isnt much detroit influenced techno coming out...or electro...most of what 
does comes out of the netherlands and uk, even if it originates from 
detroit. there is some from detroit still, but it is few and far 
between...releases are sporadic...


i'd like to see reggie craig put out more music...his stuff on solowork was 
really raw and personal and different and promising and never got much 
mention.


making a quick list of labels and artists from detroit to watch that arent 
getting a whole lot of mention...i dunno maybe i'm clueless, about all 
coming to mind at the moment are double helix, audiomatrix, end to end, dis 
house, motech...electrofunk...help me out..


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Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[J. T.]

 The concept I have in mind is a neutral party like the list 
administrator

 would compile and post
 a list of new 313 artist/ label releases up for discussion.


huh? why dont you just read new release lists from stores who support 
detroit, ie clone, rushhour, planetx...? go to submerge? call up 
recordtime..it doesnt take much effort because there just isnt much out 
there. these stores do the work for you, because you are their clientele.


and if thats not the case, review whats being missed yourself...really, it 
would be great, sounds like you are picking up a lot of stuff we aren't? kdj 
and theo pretty clearly dominate 313 output these days, but you say you 
don't like deephouse sample based music, so uhhh...fill us in!


i smell an adam beyer/hard techno/jeff mills' clones fan..? no? well, let's 
have it...you set yourself up..





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Re: (313) UR

[Cyclone Wehner]

OK, I think I understand the context of this now.
I think it's kinda a hip-hop way of expressing it, appropriating terms like
'shock and awe'. It's ironic, flipping terms to get people's attention and
make them think. I would be surprised if UR supported this current conflict,
com'on.
But some 'wars' are necessary - struggles for self-determination, justice,
equality, etc - and I am as pacifist as anyone. War here is figurative, it
could be as much about people power on the streets or campaigning Sony as
with the Jaguar 'cover'.
UR have a compelling point on the bootlegging. Bootlegging affects their
ability to run a business and look out for their families - and so achieve
self-determination.
I think KDJ has been very, very, very misunderstood. People shouldn't take
it so personally, unless they're bootleggers!
I think you'll find he just supports all people who keep it real and
realness has no colour.


 Haven't really followed this thread, as I have been off for a while, but I
 am sure it's figurative, as is a lot of UR's music and imagery.
 Probably more a reference to The Struggle - civil rights, African-Americans,
 Indigenous peoples, working class, women... self-determination, equality,
 etc.
 It's there to make you think?


 While I do not support the rip-off, I think the footer message War when
 necessary sucks big time.

 Peace in the good times/War when necessary. What defines necessity.
 If the US economic situation continues to deteriorate does this
 necessatate
 enforcing control through trigger happy kick ass advanced technology
 toting
 red-necks - know what I'm sayin'?

RE: (313) what happened to Detroit

[Odeluga, Ken]

Thx. The background to what I was saying was meant to be contemporaneous,
i.e. *now*, although I didn't make this explicit (and I should have).

k


Dan Sicko:
I could be wrong, but I thought from the context that Ken meant these
days 

?

On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Matthew MacQueen wrote:


  It has to be said on the whole also that America is not
  the major place for underground movements of any kind.
  Avant-garde music ('cause that's what we're talking
  about) included.

 WHAT !?!?  :)The Birth of Jazz wasn't an Avant-garde movement in
 America?  In the 50s and 60s in the Bebop era it was not widely
 accepted by the general public either, it was considered threatening
 and frightening to most Americans.  I consider that an underground
 movement.

(313) Shake in Holland

[Jongsma, K.J.]

Hi,

Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant set last Saturday
here in Holland. His choice of records was amazing, he was going from one
point of the musical spectrum. He was going from Planet Patrol to Rhythm is
Rhythm, from Akufen to Radiohead's Kid A. Brilliant set, one of my best
nights out this year!


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Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[Jason Brunton]

Hey JT+Folks,



as far as technono one listens to techno anymore (sadly)...there 
just isnt much detroit influenced techno coming out...or 
electro...most of what does comes out of the netherlands and uk, even 
if it originates from detroit. there is some from detroit still, but 
it is few and far between...releases are sporadic...


There is now a quality stream of audio coming out of the Netherlands 
from www.courthouse.nl- they have a 24 hour broadcast of Detroit and 
other quality electronic music coming out as well as showcasing music 
from new labels (Real Soon, Digital Soul, Nu-Vorm, Plant and errr, us)- 
that would seem to fit the bill for what we are looking for.  Look for 
Audio Nongrata.


i'd like to see reggie craig put out more music...his stuff on 
solowork was really raw and personal and different and promising and 
never got much mention.


I'll back that up- very individual; sounding artist- unusual production 
and goes a bit off the rails occasionally but indeed, someone who 
deserves more attention.




Jason Brunton
Iridite

Re: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[KiDDy*RaVeR]

Exactly!!
He played here in Paris, thursday 10th. He did a mix close to this lineup
you mentioned. He even played one of the last daft punk album track. And
everything goes so fine! Its not just a big melting pot which has no sense,
he knows to turn it to a real mix. That was so fresh! Ill keep a very good
memory of him :)
And id like to thanx Serge  Célina of *PaRaDiSe MaSSaGe* who promote this
monthly gigg in Paris, where we can dicovered and rediscover theses Detroit
artists that we do love. And they really do this with their hearts and all
their passion.
__KiDD*e*
__Frenchie in love with Detroit vibes.
__www.kiddyraver.com


- Original Message -
From: Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: (313) Shake in Holland


 Hi,

 Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant set last
Saturday
 here in Holland. His choice of records was amazing, he was going from one
 point of the musical spectrum. He was going from Planet Patrol to Rhythm
is
 Rhythm, from Akufen to Radiohead's Kid A. Brilliant set, one of my best
 nights out this year!


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(313) Elitism/Stock/Fact of Life/Mp3

[Martin]

I haven't been on the list long but what is this elitism you are all going
on about! Lack of records or the fact your name isn't on the list.

While I can understand the frustration of not being able to get a track (and
you should try living in this city - Sheffield/UK - we get so little we have
to pay high import shipping and tax  - that never going to change so why
moan about it), isn't it just a fact of life, I don't think the labels have
set out to keep the masses out, in the UK you'll be lucky to shift 2000
copies 12 but in Germany you can clear 5000. It just scale of economy that
stop label releasing in large numbers, no one wants there cash standing
still in dead stock, I know we can't afford to do that.

So what's the way forward? How about mp3's - there's lots of good CD DJ gear
out there now, would you pay for an Mp3?

Martin Dust
http://www.dustclub.com



 stock list like many people here) I noticed there are a lot of 313 music from
 labels that do not
 get discussed here or posted for review by the mailing list administrator.
 
 Well, discuss it then!  You don't have to wait for an admin to bring it
 up --- why should you?  Keeping this information to yourself smacks of
 elitism in my book.
 
 -d
 
 

Re: (313) Elitism/Stock/Fact of Life/Mp3

[robin pinning]

 While I can understand the frustration of not being able to get a track (and
 you should try living in this city - Sheffield/UK - we get so little we have
 to pay high import shipping and tax  - that never going to change so why
 moan about it), isn't it just a fact of life, I don't think the labels have
 set out to keep the masses out, in the UK you'll be lucky to shift 2000
 copies 12 but in Germany you can clear 5000. It just scale of economy that
 stop label releasing in large numbers, no one wants there cash standing
 still in dead stock, I know we can't afford to do that.

 So what's the way forward? How about mp3's - there's lots of good CD DJ gear
 out there now, would you pay for an Mp3?

it seems at the moment that most people wouldn't (we all like the feel of
the media (vinyl/cd) in our hands, right?) but when systems such as final
scratch become more widely, and cheaply, available then perhaps people
will.

this brings up the distiction between collectors and djs, most of the
people on the list (i'm guessing) are a little of both.

robin...

Re: (313) UR

[Jussi Lehtonen]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Cyclone Wehner wrote:

 OK, I think I understand the context of this now.
.
.
 But some 'wars' are necessary - struggles for self-determination, justice,
 equality, etc - and I am as pacifist as anyone. War here is figurative, it
 could be as much about people power on the streets or campaigning Sony as
 with the Jaguar 'cover'.

Quoting Eldridge Cleaver (according to Red Planet):
The Spirit of the People is Greater than Man's Technology



J

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Re: (313) Elitism/Stock/Fact of Life/Mp3

[Martin]

 it seems at the moment that most people wouldn't (we all like the feel of
 the media (vinyl/cd) in our hands, right?) but when systems such as final
 scratch become more widely, and cheaply, available then perhaps people
 will.

The new Denon CD mixers are fantastic and FS is only £400, so the prices are
coming down. I know what you mean about having something in your hands but I
believe it's time for that to give way now...People need to change the value
in there heads of what an MP3 is worth - and to a certain extent it already
exists, try search for some tracks - Zilcho :) So at least people are
starting to understand the value.

 this brings up the distiction between collectors and djs, most of the
 people on the list (i'm guessing) are a little of both.

True but you can't take them with you :) and I have lots of friends who do
the same with fonts, but just how many do you need?


Martin Dust


Why do you 313's put get together to put out a CD with the tracks everyone
wants, all thro in $20 and put a good comp together...be a collective...

(313) Reggie Craig (was: New Music and Elitism)

[FC2 Richards]

And here is a third.  I think he got shafted on his record sales.  I'm not
sure who his distributer is, but I never heard anything from him outside of
what I saw at RecordTime.  I picked up his CD that he put out, and on a
later trip found the Sittin on Wet Grass single.  Picked that one up too.  I
am happy to see that he is not trying to ride on the very large coat tails
of Carl Craig.  The only connection I can see is in the last name...



-Original Message-
From: Jason Brunton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:05 AM
To: J. T.
Cc: 313
Subject: Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

 i'd like to see reggie craig put out more music...his stuff on 
 solowork was really raw and personal and different and promising and 
 never got much mention.

I'll back that up- very individual; sounding artist- unusual production 
and goes a bit off the rails occasionally but indeed, someone who 
deserves more attention.

Re: (313) Elitism/Stock/Fact of Life/Mp3

[robin pinning]

  it seems at the moment that most people wouldn't (we all like the feel of
  the media (vinyl/cd) in our hands, right?) but when systems such as final
  scratch become more widely, and cheaply, available then perhaps people
  will.

 The new Denon CD mixers are fantastic and FS is only £400, so the prices are
 coming down. I know what you mean about having something in your hands but I
 believe it's time for that to give way now...People need to change the value
 in there heads of what an MP3 is worth

i agree with you (with the proviso that the digital media ogg/mp3/whatever
is of sufficient bandwidth/quality)

i think once most dj/producers realise the possibilities for doing
their own edits/mixes of their fave tracks etc with things like FS (and
yeah the denon with the spinning disk) then things will really change.

(ok the edit is done in your sw of choice, the mechanism for playing that
is the cool thing)

  this brings up the distiction between collectors and djs, most of the
  people on the list (i'm guessing) are a little of both.

 True but you can't take them with you :) and I have lots of friends who do
 the same with fonts, but just how many do you need?

yep agreed, to me there's something very appealing about not having huge
stacks of vinyl but still having the music. another part of me would never
give em up tho. so i'm torn.

 Why do you 313's put get together to put out a CD with the tracks everyone
 wants, all thro in $20 and put a good comp together...be a collective...

a licensed comp of essential tracks? yeah not a bad idea (include the mp3
with it too like novamute have started to do?)

robin...

RE: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[Jongsma, K.J.]

 
 Exactly!!
 He played here in Paris, thursday 10th. He did a mix close to 
 this lineup
 you mentioned. He even played one of the last daft punk album 
 track. And
 everything goes so fine! Its not just a big melting pot which 
 has no sense,
 he knows to turn it to a real mix. That was so fresh! Ill 
 keep a very good
 memory of him :)

Yeah, i forgot to mention that, it was not just one big pil of different
records but when he mixed in that radiohead tune or that record from The
Clash it actually made sense. 

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RE: (313) collectors item

[Javier Drada]

$100 bills Come on...

-Original Message-
From: Techstylism [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 9:31 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) collectors item


for ur  carl craig collectors:

http://www.techstylism.com/the_record.html

RE: (313) collectors item

[Jongsma, K.J.]

that is probably the reason why the huge amount of 0 (that is zero) people
have bidded to this :)

 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: Javier Drada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Verzonden: maandag 14 april 2003 13:51
 Aan: 313@hyperreal.org
 Onderwerp: RE: (313) collectors item
 
 
 $100 bills Come on...
 
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 From: Techstylism [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 9:31 AM
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: (313) collectors item
 
 
 for ur  carl craig collectors:
 
 http://www.techstylism.com/the_record.html
 
 

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RE: (313) collectors item

[Samu Eilola]

100 dollars ? I wouldn´t pay 10 for that...

there is a wrong track on that record for funk sake ! ;)

s.



On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Jongsma, K.J. wrote:

 that is probably the reason why the huge amount of 0 (that is zero) people
 have bidded to this :)
 
  -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
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  Verzonden: maandag 14 april 2003 13:51
  Aan: 313@hyperreal.org
  Onderwerp: RE: (313) collectors item
  
  
  $100 bills Come on...
  
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  Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 9:31 AM
  To: 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: (313) collectors item
  
  
  for ur  carl craig collectors:
  
  http://www.techstylism.com/the_record.html
  
  
 
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RE: (313) collectors item

[Odeluga, Ken]

Just out of interest guys, how much do you think one of these *should* go
for?

As for me I have no idea - of course I'd love it, but $100?!?!?! (About £63
today which feels more comfortable but is not to be spent without thinking).

Thx kindly.

Ken

-Original Message-
From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:57 PM
To: 'Javier Drada'; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) collectors item


that is probably the reason why the huge amount of 0 (that is zero) people
have bidded to this :)

 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: Javier Drada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Verzonden: maandag 14 april 2003 13:51
 Aan: 313@hyperreal.org
 Onderwerp: RE: (313) collectors item


 $100 bills Come on...

 -Original Message-
 From: Techstylism [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 9:31 AM
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: (313) collectors item


 for ur  carl craig collectors:

 http://www.techstylism.com/the_record.html



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Re: (313) test

[Fabrizio Nahum]

 Good question, because I don't support a lot of the new 313 and related
 music these days.
 I guess I could cut and paste from a record stock list and say hey look at
 all the new 313 music
 you people are not discussing but that wouldn't seem right.
 In order for something like this to work someone who is familiar with all
 the new records
 being released from Detroit labels and what the distributors are shipping
 should post this info
 and not only the 313 label/ artist they like.


I don't agree.
I avidly read every record recco and review posted here and, especially when
i first signed up 3 years ago, i have never heard most of the artists that
get mentioned here. thats how i get schooled.
now if you can replicate that schooling by suggesting records you like and
reccommend this list will be even more interesting.
especially when you complain of the lack of coverage of certain 313
producers on this list.

fab.

RE: (313) collectors item

[Jongsma, K.J.]

Maybe just a few bucks more then the price of a normal 12. That Carl Craig
is widely avaible and not some kind of special mix. It is more like a dumb
pressing error, i got something similair thing with a Red Planet record, i
thought it was really annoying as i had to buy a 2nd copy to get what i
wanted :)

 Just out of interest guys, how much do you think one of these 
 *should* go
 for?
 
 As for me I have no idea - of course I'd love it, but 
 $100?!?!?! (About £63
 today which feels more comfortable but is not to be spent 
 without thinking).
 
 Thx kindly.
 
 Ken
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:57 PM
 To: 'Javier Drada'; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) collectors item
 
 
 that is probably the reason why the huge amount of 0 (that 
 is zero) people
 have bidded to this :)
 
  -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
  Van: Javier Drada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Verzonden: maandag 14 april 2003 13:51
  Aan: 313@hyperreal.org
  Onderwerp: RE: (313) collectors item
 
 
  $100 bills Come on...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Techstylism [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 9:31 AM
  To: 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: (313) collectors item
 
 
  for ur  carl craig collectors:
 
  http://www.techstylism.com/the_record.html
 
 
 
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RE: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[Jongsma, K.J.]

 A good example of what I'm talking about would be Art Payne 
 who wrote for
 Streetsounds 
 magazine in the early 90's, his three or four paragraph 
 article summary
 about the new music
 and labels coming 
 out of Detroit was very informative, it put things in the proper
 perspective.
 Limited discussion about certain
 artist and labels is deceiving, this is why people who 
 observe mailing list
 such as 313 get the
 impression of elitism.
 We have a list member promoting another list members label 
 but a lot of the
 new 313 music is not
 being discussed or mentioned.

Oh no, your not going to slag-off listmembers musics and/or recordlabels? A
lot of high quality producers and labels are on this list, they use it for
the very same reason i use, to get info on detroit techno, here the latest
news about the music they love. I don't know what your problem is with the
music of listmembers, to me a lot of them make beautiful music, the stuff i
like. Lot of them are also infuential names in the techno scene, even
outside this list.

As many other people pointed out to you before, if you miss something add it
to this list. This list is made by their subscribers so the only thing that
makes it better is the subscribbers themsleves...

So if you think we miss something tell it to us as i sure wanna know about
it!


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Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[jurren baars]

like others i wouldn't mind seeing more 313 music being discussed on this 
list. but unfortunately there isn't to much of it around lately.


maybe alan oldham was right, when he stated in an interview earlier this 
year, that techno is dead in detroit.


take a look at the people releasing techno [on a somewhat regular basis] 
from detroit: shake, ur, keith tucker, strand, carl craig, burden brothers 
and a couple more, all of whom have been in it from the beginning or 2nd 
wave.


new commers? there's a couple, but few and far between. the techno scene is 
still dominated by the same names, house is theo/kdj and a host of others 
[norm talley, ferris park, moods  grooves, etc] and the ghetto-tech scene 
is dominated by the same people that started it out 5 or 6 years ago: 
assault, godfather, mr dé.


i think this is partially why some of us here have shifted more towards 
buying house, disco, hip-hop or something else, because we all love music, 
but we can't find any techno that's good enough to buy. i know this is the 
reason why i started buying different records then just techno.


at some point i couldn't find what i was looking for in the techno section 
in my recordstore, but i did find hints of the 313 sound in records on 
labels like 2000black, or archive. same thing for house, i started listening 
to theo parrish, because i thought i'd give his music a listen because he 
came from detroit, and i hoped to hear some 313-techno influence in his 
music that was lacking in most of the techno i heard at the time. through 
theo's mixes i got into older music, and i think that maybe this [temporary 
?] drought in techno land will someday be the beginning of a new wave of 
fresh techno, that gets it's influence not just from the latest succesfull 
record, but from all sorts of musical styles from the past and the future, 
or better yet, influenced by every day life.


so eventhough i've hardly bought any techno the past year, i still find 
myself digging through the techno section first in every record store i 
visit. i also think that most of the 313 relevant material that's worth 
discussing is getting mentioned on this list.


picked up the claro.intellect 12 om ai, nice, but i basically only listen 
to the first track on side a, the second track uses a bit to much d n'b 
sounds for my taste, but that first track is just stunning.


also picked up the first local 3000 by mr dé and b. calloway, the calloway 
track is the one for me, eventhough it's very fast, i dig the it in it's 
simple funky way.


didn't get the local 3000 with that MIA track, and i'm somewhat uncertain 
about that, i LOVED schoolcraft bump, and this one is equally strange, but 
it didn't immediately catch me, but i think i'm going to love this when i 
hear it a couple times more.


can't wait for the new psychostasia by reggie dokes, tony drake and one more 
[genesis?] the clips on the submerge site sounded great, i think minto 
allready mentioned this one.


jurren

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(313) Record sleeves

[David Hampson]

Hi 

I wondered if anyone knows of anywhere that can supply decent quality plain 
record sleeves, preferably in the UK but if I have to then from the US or 
elsewhere...  I just purchased some from Covers 33 in the UK that I was less 
than happy with - quite flimsy with a cutout at the opening that exposes the 
vinyl

Cheers

David

RE: (313) Reggie Craig (was: New Music and Elitism)

[Rob Theakston]

Hi.

Reggie intentionally steered clear of that path, even though he the
powerhouse distro/manufacturing guy of Planet E and has been for many many
years. He pressed up a very small quantity of that record, just enough to
get it out there and have some fun. His distribution WAS somewhat limited,
but not as much as perceived. It's a great record and he has many many more
quality tunes sitting on his hard drive...but raising two adorable youngins
takes up most of his free time.

I think he might have a few copies lying around, should anyone have missed
the boat on his stuff. You can get ahold of him at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks for bringing him up. =)

rob

-Original Message-
From: FC2 Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 1:49 AM
To: 'Jason Brunton'; J. T.
Cc: 313
Subject: (313) Reggie Craig (was: New Music and Elitism)


And here is a third.  I think he got shafted on his record sales.  I'm not
sure who his distributer is, but I never heard anything from him outside of
what I saw at RecordTime.  I picked up his CD that he put out, and on a
later trip found the Sittin on Wet Grass single.  Picked that one up too.  I
am happy to see that he is not trying to ride on the very large coat tails
of Carl Craig.  The only connection I can see is in the last name...



-Original Message-
From: Jason Brunton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:05 AM
To: J. T.
Cc: 313
Subject: Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

 i'd like to see reggie craig put out more music...his stuff on
 solowork was really raw and personal and different and promising and
 never got much mention.

I'll back that up- very individual; sounding artist- unusual production
and goes a bit off the rails occasionally but indeed, someone who
deserves more attention.

(313) Dj Stingray and D.May in Italy

[Fabrizio Nahum]

Hi,

saturday i saw these two, among many other artists, play live and spin at
the Distorsonie electronic music festival in Bologna.
Dj Stingray was better than expected after having read some lukewarm posts
here regarding his sets. He plaued with a swat team type mask on while
flawlessly mixing good ol' detroit techno bass. he also put some super fast
loop techno (1 track onyl i think, at that point i left to hear king britt
spin for 15 minutes before returning to the hangar to catch derrick). He
laso put on master builder by robert hood towards the end of his set -  a
highlight of the whole event.
Derrick May - it was the first time ive seen him play. what can i say, he
was very very good. he played a lot of percussive hard housey grooves (dare
i say tech-house) and various 313 tracks, even a robert hood track.
he also played this killer version of groove la chord by aril brikha, in
which the stabs never really take off, but keep starting over in a cut-up
fashion, almost as if he was spinning doubles.
He also confirmed my opinion that Blackwater in these last 2 years is the
most played track at 6 in the morning, by playing a beautiful version full
of 313 strings floating in the background. All in all a wicked set, almost
relentless, with derrick constantly jacking the eqs for maximum floor
appeal.

fab

RE: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[Grammenos, Peter]

this is the same exact reaction thomas brinkman had when he
heard shake play... interesting. i'de love to hear him play.

but when he mixed in that  tune or that record from 
it actually made sense.

-Pete

-Original Message-
From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 6:43 AM
To: 'KiDDy*RaVeR'; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris


 
 Exactly!!
 He played here in Paris, thursday 10th. He did a mix close to 
 this lineup
 you mentioned. He even played one of the last daft punk album 
 track. And
 everything goes so fine! Its not just a big melting pot which 
 has no sense,
 he knows to turn it to a real mix. That was so fresh! Ill 
 keep a very good
 memory of him :)

Yeah, i forgot to mention that, it was not just one big pil of different
records but when he mixed in that radiohead tune or that record from The
Clash it actually made sense. 

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RE: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[Kent williams]

THIS JUST IN: SHAKE IS THE BEST
*reporters rush for the phones*

Shake always manages to bring tears to my eyes.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote:

 this is the same exact reaction thomas brinkman had when he
 heard shake play... interesting. i'de love to hear him play.

 but when he mixed in that  tune or that record from 
 it actually made sense.

 -Pete

RE: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[Data General]

I'm writing an article on him for Dusted Magazine (dustedmagazine.com), if
anyone feels like sending along any thoughts.



On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Kent williams wrote:

 THIS JUST IN: SHAKE IS THE BEST
 *reporters rush for the phones*

 Shake always manages to bring tears to my eyes.

 On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote:
 
  this is the same exact reaction thomas brinkman had when he
  heard shake play... interesting. i'de love to hear him play.
 
  but when he mixed in that  tune or that record from 
  it actually made sense.
 
  -Pete
 

RE: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[Jongsma, K.J.]

 
 I'm writing an article on him for Dusted Magazine 
 (dustedmagazine.com), if
 anyone feels like sending along any thoughts.

What just rabdom thoughts? :)

Or do you wanna know why he is the best? Maybe it is because Shake does what
Shake wants? :) This results in unique records who could only be made him? I
can't remember i have ever been disapointed in a new shake 12. Hans said
last saturday that actually every record from Shake sounds like a mini album
because of the wide range of tracks on it.

Now we are talking about an album: WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE A FULL LENGTH
ALBUM SHAKE?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]




 On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Kent williams wrote:
 
  THIS JUST IN: SHAKE IS THE BEST
  *reporters rush for the phones*
 
  Shake always manages to bring tears to my eyes.
 
  On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote:
  
   this is the same exact reaction thomas brinkman had when he
   heard shake play... interesting. i'de love to hear him play.
  
   but when he mixed in that  tune or that record from 
   it actually made sense.
  
   -Pete
  
 
 
 
 

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RE: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[robin pinning]

any online shake mixes someone can point me to?

due to circumstances out of my control i couldn't make T-Funkshun in
liverpool last friday (damn)any reports?

robin...

 THIS JUST IN: SHAKE IS THE BEST
 *reporters rush for the phones*

 Shake always manages to bring tears to my eyes.

 On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote:
 
  this is the same exact reaction thomas brinkman had when he
  heard shake play... interesting. i'de love to hear him play.
 
  but when he mixed in that  tune or that record from 
  it actually made sense.
 

RE: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[Robert Taylor]

I wasn't there but by all accounts it was a pretty special night!

-Original Message-
From: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 2:33 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris



any online shake mixes someone can point me to?

due to circumstances out of my control i couldn't make T-Funkshun in
liverpool last friday (damn)any reports?

robin...

 THIS JUST IN: SHAKE IS THE BEST
 *reporters rush for the phones*

 Shake always manages to bring tears to my eyes.

 On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote:
 
  this is the same exact reaction thomas brinkman had when he
  heard shake play... interesting. i'de love to hear him play.
 
  but when he mixed in that  tune or that record from 
  it actually made sense.
 


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[robin pinning]

a 'report' from one of our operatives...

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re; Shake

Big thanks to the lads at T-Funkshun for hosting a great party on Friday
with Shake and Jonny McIntosh. They're the only ones doing it in the NW at
the minute, and I for one am grateful for that.

The music was great all night - unfortunately I can't do a report due to a
slight blackout. The last thing I remember is Jonny McIntosh dropping
What's going on and then going straight into 2 copies of the brown
Moodymann Nice!

Shake was probably great. Except I can't remember a single thing, I think I
remember hearing the Clash too though..

and the last thing - apologies if you came into contact with me on Friday,
I was drunk. It had been a hard week and yes, that was me doing the
'bavarian folk dancing' on the stage. I, unfortunately remember that.

So, again, big thanks to the Liverpool 313 crew - I'll be over again (If
I'm not banned for life)

Alex

Fwd: RE: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[- BT -]

The DEMF 2000 set should still be at groovetech I think.
Cheers
BT
 
any online shake mixes someone can point me to? 
 
due to circumstances out of my control i couldn't make T-Funkshun in 
liverpool last friday (damn)any reports? 
 
robin... 
 
  THIS JUST IN: SHAKE IS THE BEST 
  *reporters rush for the phones* 
  
  Shake always manages to bring tears to my eyes. 
  
  On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote: 
   
   this is the same exact reaction thomas brinkman had when he 
   heard shake play... interesting. i'de love to hear him play. 
   
   "but when he mixed in that  tune or that record from  
   it actually made sense." 
   
 
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Re: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[Maarten Baute]

 any online shake mixes someone can point me to?

There is one on the groovetech broadcasting archive. It´s the one recorded
on the DEMF.
www.groovetech.com

Cheers,
Maarten

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Matthew MacQueen]

 Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant 
 set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was 
 amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum. 

YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his broad 
spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music that 
sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like this, it 
sure would make things more interesting!  :)

peace,
Matt MacQueen

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Grammenos, Peter]

The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

-Pete

-Original Message-
From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant 
 set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was 
 amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum. 

YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his broad
spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music that
sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like this,
it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

peace,
Matt MacQueen

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[robin pinning]

  Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant
  set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was
  amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum.

 YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his
broad spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing
music that sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin
out like this, it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

agreed. it's an old chestnut really as budding djs percieve that the
demand is for really specialised djs. while this may have been true at
one point i suspect people are moving away from this approach now
(fingers crossed). are they?


could just be the way i see things tho :)

robin...

(313) test-please delete-sorry peeps

[alex . bond]

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RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Sean Creen]

Off the top of my head, sometimes John Acquaviva and Claude, when the mood
takes them...

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Sent: 14 April 2003 16:29
To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

-Pete

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From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant
 set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was
 amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum.

YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his broad
spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music that
sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like this,
it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

peace,
Matt MacQueen

RE: (313) Mills on NSC

[Dennis Donohue]

I heard this at NSC in January, very cool tune, although it lacks a
prominent Kick throughout.  It's more in the flavor of every dog... than
in any Purposemaker style.  
The remixes are actually quite good - and any long time 313ers should cuckle
at the name of the brothers doing the remixing:
Tony and Unsel Brown


Cheers,
Dennis
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From: Klaas Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 7:14 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Mills on NSC


Anyone who heard this:

Jeff  Mills and NSC  Records have teamed  up  to  bring  you  this  
soon to be  Techno classic: “TWILIGHT SCENARIO’’ here is another 
innovative masterpiece by the master “Wizard’’ himself. Recorded 
especially for NSC Records. TWILIGHT SCENARIO is NSC 9/10 with remixes 
by The Brown Brothers Tony  Unsel Brown.

from: http://www.nscrecords.net/

any soundclips or reviews?


[EMAIL PROTECTED]

(313) project on dance music culture

[Ben Kennedy]

I am currently a student a Derby University in the UK and as part of my
media and Popular culture degree I am doing a project into what the acid
house scene meant to those who were involved in it, I know this may be
somewhat off topic for those of you on this list but any help, or other
lists/boards that would be of use would be greatly appreciated, if any of
you would be kind enough to complete a few questions to help me complete
this I would be most grateful.  If you do please email me at this address,
thank you.  Ben Kennedy

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Darren Longton (Marketing)]

IMHO...By FAR...z-trip takes the cake for genre mixing...and being able to pull 
it off.  Can I get a second on that?  Anyone heard Uneasy Listening?  OMG.

-Original Message-
From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:29 AM
To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

-Pete

-Original Message-
From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant 
 set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was 
 amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum. 

YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his broad
spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music that
sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like this,
it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

peace,
Matt MacQueen

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Ben Kennedy]

Gilles Peterson takes some beating for genre mixing in my opinion.

Re: (313) Shake in Holland

[::\)]

acquaviva is the man!  he spins a bit of everything, and it is definately
all about being there... his online mixes dont hold me, but he is, without a
doubt, my fav DJ to see live

-Joe

- Original Message -
From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Off the top of my head, sometimes John Acquaviva and Claude, when the mood
 takes them...

 -Original Message-
 From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 14 April 2003 16:29
 To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



 The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
 Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

 Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

 -Pete

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
 To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


  Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant
  set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was
  amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum.

 YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his broad
 spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music
that
 sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like this,
 it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

 peace,
 Matt MacQueen

Re: RE: (313) genre jumping

[Dave Pinter]

Alex Patterson has always been a fav of mine for far reaching dj sets. He even 
plays 313 material here and there. Can't get enough of the tea time sessions on 
groovetech and he did a great set here in nyc at the knitting factory last year.

-dave

 
 IMHO...By FAR...z-trip takes the cake for genre mixing...and being able to
pull it off.  Can I get a second on that?  Anyone heard Uneasy Listening? 
OMG.




The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

-Pete

-Original Message-
From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant 
 set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was 
 amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum. 

YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his broad
spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music
that
sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like this,
it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

peace,
Matt MacQueen
 

Re: (313) Shake in Holland

[Klaas Jan Jongsma]

I heard him a few times but apparently i just had bad nights because 
what he bassicly did was playing boring tech-house and sometimes a 
techno track and sometimes something more house. No way he was anything 
close to what Shake did :)


kj

On maandag, apr 14, 2003, at 17:51 Europe/Amsterdam, ::) wrote:

acquaviva is the man!  he spins a bit of everything, and it is 
definately
all about being there... his online mixes dont hold me, but he is, 
without a

doubt, my fav DJ to see live

-Joe

- Original Message -
From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


Off the top of my head, sometimes John Acquaviva and Claude, when the 
mood

takes them...

-Original Message-
From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 April 2003 16:29
To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

-Pete

-Original Message-
From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant
set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was
amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum.


YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his 
broad

spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music

that
sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like 
this,

it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

peace,
Matt MacQueen





[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: (313) Mills on NSC

[Otto]

At 11:38 14-4-03 -0400, you wrote:


The remixes are actually quite good - and any long time 313ers should cuckle
at the name of the brothers doing the remixing:
Tony and Unsel Brown


Free floppy fish hats!

Otto
PS Sorry for the incrowd-joke :)
(or am I being elitist now?...)

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Grammenos, Peter]

Ditto. I've heard john spin about 10x now and he's played
techno/house but that's the extent of it.

Maybe he only spins this way in Detroit? I've noticed many
of the detroit dj's play best in their hometown..

-Pete

-Original Message-
From: Klaas Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:59 AM
To: ::)
Cc: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
Subject: Re: (313) Shake in Holland


I heard him a few times but apparently i just had bad nights because 
what he bassicly did was playing boring tech-house and sometimes a 
techno track and sometimes something more house. No way he was anything 
close to what Shake did :)

kj

On maandag, apr 14, 2003, at 17:51 Europe/Amsterdam, ::) wrote:

 acquaviva is the man!  he spins a bit of everything, and it is 
 definately
 all about being there... his online mixes dont hold me, but he is, 
 without a
 doubt, my fav DJ to see live

 -Joe

 - Original Message -
 From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:34 AM
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Off the top of my head, sometimes John Acquaviva and Claude, when the 
 mood
 takes them...

 -Original Message-
 From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 14 April 2003 16:29
 To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



 The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
 Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

 Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

 -Pete

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
 To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant
 set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was
 amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum.

 YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his 
 broad
 spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music
 that
 sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like 
 this,
 it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

 peace,
 Matt MacQueen



[EMAIL PROTECTED]

(313) the dot and the line

[marsel]

any reviews of this album by John Tejada  
Arian Leviste on Moods  Grooves?

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Darren Longton (Marketing)]

That MUST be the case, cause every time I've seen him (in Detroit of course), 
he tore it UP!

-Original Message-
From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:03 PM
To: 'Klaas Jan Jongsma'; ::)
Cc: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



Ditto. I've heard john spin about 10x now and he's played
techno/house but that's the extent of it.

Maybe he only spins this way in Detroit? I've noticed many
of the detroit dj's play best in their hometown..

-Pete

-Original Message-
From: Klaas Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:59 AM
To: ::)
Cc: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
Subject: Re: (313) Shake in Holland


I heard him a few times but apparently i just had bad nights because 
what he bassicly did was playing boring tech-house and sometimes a 
techno track and sometimes something more house. No way he was anything 
close to what Shake did :)

kj

On maandag, apr 14, 2003, at 17:51 Europe/Amsterdam, ::) wrote:

 acquaviva is the man!  he spins a bit of everything, and it is 
 definately
 all about being there... his online mixes dont hold me, but he is, 
 without a
 doubt, my fav DJ to see live

 -Joe

 - Original Message -
 From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:34 AM
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Off the top of my head, sometimes John Acquaviva and Claude, when the 
 mood
 takes them...

 -Original Message-
 From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 14 April 2003 16:29
 To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



 The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
 Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

 Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

 -Pete

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
 To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant
 set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was
 amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum.

 YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his 
 broad
 spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music
 that
 sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like 
 this,
 it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

 peace,
 Matt MacQueen



[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Grammenos, Peter]

This has nothing to do with 'tearing it up'... when you saw
him did he play punk-rock, reggae, rap, etc... ? 

-Original Message-
From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:59 AM
To: 313 mailing list
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


That MUST be the case, cause every time I've seen him (in Detroit of
course), he tore it UP!

-Original Message-
From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:03 PM
To: 'Klaas Jan Jongsma'; ::)
Cc: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



Ditto. I've heard john spin about 10x now and he's played
techno/house but that's the extent of it.

Maybe he only spins this way in Detroit? I've noticed many
of the detroit dj's play best in their hometown..

-Pete

-Original Message-
From: Klaas Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:59 AM
To: ::)
Cc: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
Subject: Re: (313) Shake in Holland


I heard him a few times but apparently i just had bad nights because 
what he bassicly did was playing boring tech-house and sometimes a 
techno track and sometimes something more house. No way he was anything 
close to what Shake did :)

kj

On maandag, apr 14, 2003, at 17:51 Europe/Amsterdam, ::) wrote:

 acquaviva is the man!  he spins a bit of everything, and it is 
 definately
 all about being there... his online mixes dont hold me, but he is, 
 without a
 doubt, my fav DJ to see live

 -Joe

 - Original Message -
 From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:34 AM
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Off the top of my head, sometimes John Acquaviva and Claude, when the 
 mood
 takes them...

 -Original Message-
 From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 14 April 2003 16:29
 To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



 The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
 Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

 Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

 -Pete

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
 To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant
 set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was
 amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum.

 YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his 
 broad
 spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music
 that
 sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like 
 this,
 it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

 peace,
 Matt MacQueen



[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: (313) Shake in Holland

[Maarten Baute]

 I heard him a few times but apparently i just had bad nights because
 what he bassicly did was playing boring tech-house and sometimes a
 techno track and sometimes something more house. No way he was anything
 close to what Shake did :)

Haha... that reminds me...

I once saw on TMF (wich is a belgian music TV station - they also have this
in Holland) a report on some local party. And they interviewed a local dj
who was raving about the fact that he first played some house and later on
more techno styled music. And he was like: Wow... this is such an open
minded audience tonight, I don´t believe it! I first started of with some
house, and now with some tech funk... and they keep on dancing...

That gives you a view on the diversity we get here with local parties
What a loser... felt like kicking him in the arse. HA!

Cheers,
Maarten

Re: (313) Shake in Holland

[::\)]

he plays reggae, 80s whatnot, techno, house, and latin stuff...

I think john likes the latin house


- Original Message -
From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Darren Longton (Marketing)' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313
mailing list 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



 This has nothing to do with 'tearing it up'... when you saw
 him did he play punk-rock, reggae, rap, etc... ?

 -Original Message-
 From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:59 AM
 To: 313 mailing list
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 That MUST be the case, cause every time I've seen him (in Detroit of
 course), he tore it UP!

 -Original Message-
 From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:03 PM
 To: 'Klaas Jan Jongsma'; ::)
 Cc: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



 Ditto. I've heard john spin about 10x now and he's played
 techno/house but that's the extent of it.

 Maybe he only spins this way in Detroit? I've noticed many
 of the detroit dj's play best in their hometown..

 -Pete

 -Original Message-
 From: Klaas Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:59 AM
 To: ::)
 Cc: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
 Subject: Re: (313) Shake in Holland


 I heard him a few times but apparently i just had bad nights because
 what he bassicly did was playing boring tech-house and sometimes a
 techno track and sometimes something more house. No way he was anything
 close to what Shake did :)

 kj

 On maandag, apr 14, 2003, at 17:51 Europe/Amsterdam, ::) wrote:

  acquaviva is the man!  he spins a bit of everything, and it is
  definately
  all about being there... his online mixes dont hold me, but he is,
  without a
  doubt, my fav DJ to see live
 
  -Joe
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org
  Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:34 AM
  Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland
 
 
  Off the top of my head, sometimes John Acquaviva and Claude, when the
  mood
  takes them...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 14 April 2003 16:29
  To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland
 
 
 
  The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
  Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.
 
  Anyone else know of dj's that do this?
 
  -Pete
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
  To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland
 
 
  Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant
  set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was
  amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum.
 
  YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his
  broad
  spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music
  that
  sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like
  this,
  it sure would make things more interesting!  :)
 
  peace,
  Matt MacQueen
 
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RE: (313) genre jumping

[Kent williams]

Heh. I like how Patterson plays DB 45s at 33 to mix them with house records.
He gives us middle aged guys hope.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Dave Pinter wrote:
 Alex Patterson has always been a fav of mine for far reaching dj sets.
 He even plays 313 material here and there. Can't get enough of the tea time
 sessions on groovetech and he did a great set here in nyc at the knitting
 factory last year.

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Darren Longton (Marketing)]

Well now!!  No need for the strong arm from the Topic police;) haha  Since the 
topic was about genre mixing, I thought it was understood, but if not, my bad.  
I remember some michael jackson, old disco, even an old Tribe Called Quest for 
a min.  Wish someone would have recorded that $hit.

-Original Message-
From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:06 PM
To: Darren Longton (Marketing); 313 mailing list
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



This has nothing to do with 'tearing it up'... when you saw
him did he play punk-rock, reggae, rap, etc... ? 

-Original Message-
From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:59 AM
To: 313 mailing list
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


That MUST be the case, cause every time I've seen him (in Detroit of
course), he tore it UP!

-Original Message-
From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:03 PM
To: 'Klaas Jan Jongsma'; ::)
Cc: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



Ditto. I've heard john spin about 10x now and he's played
techno/house but that's the extent of it.

Maybe he only spins this way in Detroit? I've noticed many
of the detroit dj's play best in their hometown..

-Pete

-Original Message-
From: Klaas Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:59 AM
To: ::)
Cc: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
Subject: Re: (313) Shake in Holland


I heard him a few times but apparently i just had bad nights because 
what he bassicly did was playing boring tech-house and sometimes a 
techno track and sometimes something more house. No way he was anything 
close to what Shake did :)

kj

On maandag, apr 14, 2003, at 17:51 Europe/Amsterdam, ::) wrote:

 acquaviva is the man!  he spins a bit of everything, and it is 
 definately
 all about being there... his online mixes dont hold me, but he is, 
 without a
 doubt, my fav DJ to see live

 -Joe

 - Original Message -
 From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:34 AM
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Off the top of my head, sometimes John Acquaviva and Claude, when the 
 mood
 takes them...

 -Original Message-
 From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 14 April 2003 16:29
 To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



 The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
 Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

 Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

 -Pete

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
 To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant
 set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was
 amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum.

 YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his 
 broad
 spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music
 that
 sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like 
 this,
 it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

 peace,
 Matt MacQueen



[EMAIL PROTECTED]

(313) Fw: Rave Act passes.. heads to Bush for signature

[kathleen harris]

Dear Members, Subscribers and Friends,

I do not normally use our alert channel to send a personal message.
However, I wanted to let you know that the Illicit Drug Anti-
Proliferation Act (also called the RAVE Act), which was attached to
the AMBER Alert bill, passed both the House and Senate late yesterday
(April 10).

The RAVE Act threatens free speech and musical expression while
placing at risk any hotel/motel owner, concert promoter, event
organizer, nightclub owner or arena/stadium owner for the drug
violations of 3rd parties - real or alleged - even if the event
promoter and/or property owner made a good-faith effort to keep their
event drug-free.  It applies not just to electronic-music parties,
but to any type of public gathering, including theatrical
productions, rock concerts, DJ nights at local bars, and potentially
even political rallies. It gives heightened powers and discretion to
prosecutors, who may use it to target events they personally don't
like - such as Hip-Hop events and gay and lesbian fundraisers.

Sadly, the RAVE Act was added to the AMBER Alert bill conference
report at the very last minute by Senator Biden (D-DE), its original
sponsor.  The AMBER Alert bill creates a system for responding to
child abduction.  It has nothing to do with drug policy.  The RAVE
Act had not passed even a single committee in the House or Senate
this year.  One senator's pet issue made a mockery of the Democratic
process - becoming law without any public hearing or opportunity for
input whatsoever.

You should be aware that your letters and faxes clearly had an
effect.  (FYI - you sent Congress 13,000 faxes this week alone!!)
For example, the word rave was removed from the version of the bill
that passed.  Eliminating such blatant discrimination is a victory
for our continued freedom of speech.  Also, the original bill
suggested that prosecutors should view the sale of water and the
presence of glowsticks or massage oil as evidence of drug use.  These
ludicrous findings were completely removed thanks to you.

President Bush will sign this child abduction bill, which means the
RAVE Act will become law as well.  We will be working with the
legislators who opposed this provision - such as Senators Durbin,
Kennedy and Leahy and Representatives Conyers and Scott - for its
repeal.  In the meantime, however, it is up to all of us to be the
watchdogs of its enforcement.

Attorney General John Ashcroft will have to make decisions about its
enforcement priority among the many public safety issues the
Department of Justice handles.  He must be held responsible when he
implements this scheme.  We want him to know that he is not free to
shut down our dance clubs, our festivals and our freedoms.  We will
be watching the activities of law enforcement and prosecutors, and we
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RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Robert Taylor]

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Francois Kevorkian or Joe Clausell yet.
I also heard Rob Hall from Gescom on Saturday and he threw a lot of
surprises into an IDM/techno set.
A lot of little-known Brit DJs like to mix it up in backrooms and the
smaller clubnights - I've been to nights where I have heard everything from
Stevie Wonder to Front Line Assembly, Biz Markie to Surgeon.
The list's very own Toby Frith of Bleep 43 played a sterling set last NYE
(as many of the London 313 crew can testify) which included The Stone Roses,
Renegade Soundwave, DJ Shadow, some crazy batucada as well as the usual
house and techno.



-Original Message-
From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 3:52 PM
To: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
Subject: Re: (313) Shake in Holland


acquaviva is the man!  he spins a bit of everything, and it is definately
all about being there... his online mixes dont hold me, but he is, without a
doubt, my fav DJ to see live

-Joe

- Original Message -
From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Off the top of my head, sometimes John Acquaviva and Claude, when the mood
 takes them...

 -Original Message-
 From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 14 April 2003 16:29
 To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



 The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
 Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

 Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

 -Pete

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
 To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


  Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant
  set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was
  amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum.

 YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his broad
 spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music
that
 sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like this,
 it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

 peace,
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RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Sean Creen]

In Dublin a few years back he played a set of pretty standard tchno/house in
the main room, then played a really eclectic set in the smaller room...

-Original Message-
From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 April 2003 17:03
To: 'Klaas Jan Jongsma'; ::)
Cc: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



Ditto. I've heard john spin about 10x now and he's played
techno/house but that's the extent of it.

Maybe he only spins this way in Detroit? I've noticed many
of the detroit dj's play best in their hometown..

-Pete

-Original Message-
From: Klaas Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:59 AM
To: ::)
Cc: Sean Creen; 313 mailing list
Subject: Re: (313) Shake in Holland


I heard him a few times but apparently i just had bad nights because
what he bassicly did was playing boring tech-house and sometimes a
techno track and sometimes something more house. No way he was anything
close to what Shake did :)

kj

On maandag, apr 14, 2003, at 17:51 Europe/Amsterdam, ::) wrote:

 acquaviva is the man!  he spins a bit of everything, and it is
 definately
 all about being there... his online mixes dont hold me, but he is,
 without a
 doubt, my fav DJ to see live

 -Joe

 - Original Message -
 From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:34 AM
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Off the top of my head, sometimes John Acquaviva and Claude, when the
 mood
 takes them...

 -Original Message-
 From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 14 April 2003 16:29
 To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland



 The only other DJ I've heard do this and pull it off is Mathew
 Herbert. His dj set at APT in nyc was my favorite this year.

 Anyone else know of dj's that do this?

 -Pete

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:25 AM
 To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 Just a few nice words about Shake, who played a brilliant
 set last Saturday here in Holland. His choice of records was
 amazing, he was going from one point of the musical spectrum.

 YEa!  He is amazing DJ indeed.  I love how everyone raves about his
 broad
 spectrum of selections.  It's a lifetime of loving and producing music
 that
 sets this style apart... wish more DJs had the guts to spin out like
 this,
 it sure would make things more interesting!  :)

 peace,
 Matt MacQueen



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Re: Re: RE: (313) genre jumping

[Dave Pinter]

Yea, but he also has a thing for playing that Prefuse 73 rmx of Daybre at 45 
instead of 33 to make it sound more like a breaks record.actually works in 
a weird way.




---Original Message---
From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04/14/03 12:09 PM
To: Dave Pinter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RE: (313) genre jumping

 
 Heh. I like how Patterson plays DB 45s at 33 to mix them with house
records.
He gives us middle aged guys hope.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Dave Pinter wrote:
 Alex Patterson has always been a fav of mine for far reaching dj sets.
 He even plays 313 material here and there. Can't get enough of the tea
time
 sessions on groovetech and he did a great set here in nyc at the
knitting
 factory last year.


 

Re: (313) Shake in Holland

[Hans Veneman]

 I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Francois Kevorkian or Joe Clausell
yet.
 I also heard Rob Hall from Gescom on Saturday and he threw a lot of
 surprises into an IDM/techno set.
 A lot of little-known Brit DJs like to mix it up in backrooms and the
 smaller clubnights - I've been to nights where I have heard everything
from
 Stevie Wonder to Front Line Assembly, Biz Markie to Surgeon.
 The list's very own Toby Frith of Bleep 43 played a sterling set last
NYE
 (as many of the London 313 crew can testify) which included The Stone
Roses,
 Renegade Soundwave, DJ Shadow, some crazy batucada as well as the
usual
 house and techno.

Sounds cool!
Also don't forget list-member Derek Plaslaiko, who i heard play very
eclectic sets, which made sense. I love it when DJs are able to mix
(more or less) recent Autechre tracks in their sets.

I also was at Shake's set in Holland last saturday and enjoyed it very
very much. Not perfect technically, but who cares with an amazing
selection like this? Shake's definately someone who loves the stuff he
plays out.

Cheers,
Hans

--
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http://technotourist.org

Re: (313) Mills on NSC

[g]

 The remixes are actually quite good - and any long time 313ers should
cuckle
 at the name of the brothers doing the remixing:
 Tony and Unsel Brown


yeah i guess i laughed.  tho really it was more of a groan.

RE: (313) Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[J. T.]

yo k-j :)


Now we are talking about an album: WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE A FULL LENGTH
ALBUM SHAKE?


it's coming! coming thru EFA later this year. i heard most of it while 
sitting in the car with him at the airport in dallasit's realy 
excellent...shake is one of the true pioneers of using samples as 
instruments imo, one of my first reactions after hearing it...there were 
many incredibly beautiful hiphop (with a bit of the shake touch! a little 
bit idm like he does..) tracks on there (def some of the best yet from 
him!), techno, some very nice melodies...wild sounds...i even liked the 
frictional beat style one that minto didnt :P but minto didnt hear much of 
the rest...nyah nyah toe :P ...let's just hope EFA dont drop the ball..


jt


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Re: (313) Shake in Holland

[Phonopsia]

- Original Message -
From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: '::)' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Creen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Francois Kevorkian or Joe Clausell yet.

Ditto. I'll also 2nd the Plaslaiko mention, and add Theo Parrish. Joakim was
also quite impressive in this regard.

I'll also 2nd the London local heroes mention. But there are local heroes
everywhere that tear it up and don't get enough credit. Thank goodness they
exist, or some cities would flounder with zero good music.

Tristan
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Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[spw]

on 4/13/03 7:44 PM, Phonopsia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 expect others to discuss it for you?
 
 The concept I have in mind is a neutral party like the list administrator
 would compile and post
 a list of new 313 artist/ label releases up for discussion.
 
 Read: 'Someone please do my work for me'. This list isn't here so someone
 else can tell you what you should like - it's here so we can all find out
 what other likeminded people like. It is a forum, not a magazine. No one
 person is in a priviliged position to determine content. If you want a
 magazine go and buy one.

I don't see how posting a bi-weekly or monthly list of new music from
Detroit labels and artist
is telling people what they should like.
It only promotes more on-topic discussion.

 Besides that, your request is being filled weekly by Matt in his 'Clinically
 Inclined' playlists. His lists provide me with at least one solid
 recommendation/week, if not more, and this show was solely responsible for
 my introduction to Italo-disco. Watch/listen and learn about the past,
 present and future. First step in that process is recognizing that you don't
 already know everything.

Well no offense to Matt if he is the administrator but he doesn't cover a
good portion of the
*NEW* 313 records being released.

 Please tell us what you're so upset about!!! What are we neglecting to
 mention that *you* know about? Why don't you include yourself in this forum
 and contribute information about the artists you feel are neglected rather
 than sitting on the sidelines, berating us for being cliquy? No one asked
 you to join this list and bitch about how you don't fit. Either contribute
 what you know or shut the f*ck up and take what's relevant to you.

there are a lot of people like me who are not/ or no longer vinyl junkies
and really don't follow
what is being released.
Instead of buying all the Red Planet records we may just buy the CD
compilation, or Juan
Atkins new album instead buying the singles, or the occasional really cool
record that comes 
out.
Think how much money labels lose because they are not connecting to this
audience, a lot 
people just don't know about their music.

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Matthew MacQueen]

 add Theo Parrish.

exactly... disco, reggae, minimal chi jack tracks, soul, african music I can't 
begin to understand, 70's rb, italo, latin, rocksteady, jazz fusion, 
electronics...  you can never predict where his sets will go cause just when 
you're in the groove of that genre he takes you to the next level on some other 
plane.  A heavily EQ'd plane, mind...  ;)

I have also seen Claude Young pull out some serious surprises when he's on the 
freeform tip, but haven't seen him DJ in at least 3-4 years now...  that whole 
Claude/Shake connection is strong and explains a lot, stylistically and 
technically. 

peace,
Matt MacQueen 

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Grammenos, Peter]

 add Theo Parrish.

exactly... disco, reggae, minimal chi jack tracks, soul, african music I
can't begin to understand, 70's rb, italo, latin, rocksteady, jazz fusion,
electronics...  you can never predict where his sets will go cause just when
you're in the groove of that genre he takes you to the next level on some
other plane.  A heavily EQ'd plane, mind...  ;)

PG Good point, how could i forget. I have a new mix of his on cdr called
'Contemplating Rythms Part 2 which has funk+soul, lots of old african
inspired music, jazzy stuff. 

Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[spw]

on 4/13/03 8:47 PM, J. T. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The concept I have in mind is a neutral party like the list
 administrator
 would compile and post
 a list of new 313 artist/ label releases up for discussion.
 
 huh? why dont you just read new release lists from stores who support
 detroit, ie clone, rushhour, planetx...? go to submerge? call up
 recordtime..it doesnt take much effort because there just isnt much out
 there. these stores do the work for you, because you are their clientele.

My logic is that this is the 313 list why keep it limited to what a small
group of people like?
Put an add in the Detroit paper promoting the list and get more
participation.
At least mention what the Detroit artist and labels are putting out.

 and if thats not the case, review whats being missed yourself...really, it
 would be great, sounds like you are picking up a lot of stuff we aren't? kdj
 and theo pretty clearly dominate 313 output these days, but you say you
 don't like deephouse sample based music, so uhhh...fill us in!
 
 i smell an adam beyer/hard techno/jeff mills' clones fan..? no? well, let's
 have it...you set yourself up..

Let's just say electronic music based in futurism.

Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[Otto]

spw:


I don't see how posting a bi-weekly or monthly list of new music from
Detroit labels and artist is telling people what they should like.


What good is a new release list if there's no proper reviews to go with it? 
Distributor's descriptions are notoriously biased and unreliable. That's 
precisely why people personally review records (for the benefit of others, 
I might add).


And as others have pointed out, many online record stores offer to send 
lists like this straight to your email account. Hardwax, Hedonizm, Clone, 
Rush Hour among others regularly put out new release lists with a 
substantial 313 portion in it.



Well no offense to Matt if he is the administrator but he doesn't cover a
good portion of the *NEW* 313 records being released.


It is not the job of any list administrator to compile a list of new 313 
records. Listadmins are responsible for the technical issues behind the 
list, *not* its content, unless a thread gets dramatically out of control. 
Even a discussion list moderator is usually very careful in steering a 
forum too much.


Otto

Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

-- Original Message --
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My logic is that this is the 313 list why keep it limited to 
what a small
group of people like?

do the other people on this list not have fingers that they can 
type with? or are they blocked as part of a 313 list conspiracy to 
keep talking about deep house and 80s music? this list has a good 
number of people on it, if they want to discuss something, there 
is nothing stopping them, is there? 

tom 


andythepooh.com


 
   

RE: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[David Powers]

Well I guess the problem is, how 313 does it have to be?  

I think there is still some good Detroit-influenced techno being made,
but maybe not so many records coming direct from Detroit.  I'd say there
is good 313-influenced minimal, hard techno, melodic techno, and electro
all being made.  Maybe a lot to sort through to find the quality
records, but I'm sure if you look around there are good new records made
every week or two.

/dave

-Original Message-
From: jurren baars [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 7:50 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test


like others i wouldn't mind seeing more 313 music being discussed on
this 
list. but unfortunately there isn't to much of it around lately.

maybe alan oldham was right, when he stated in an interview earlier this

year, that techno is dead in detroit.

take a look at the people releasing techno [on a somewhat regular basis]

from detroit: shake, ur, keith tucker, strand, carl craig, burden
brothers 
and a couple more, all of whom have been in it from the beginning or 2nd

wave.

new commers? there's a couple, but few and far between. the techno scene
is 
still dominated by the same names, house is theo/kdj and a host of
others 
[norm talley, ferris park, moods  grooves, etc] and the ghetto-tech
scene 
is dominated by the same people that started it out 5 or 6 years ago: 
assault, godfather, mr dé.

i think this is partially why some of us here have shifted more towards 
buying house, disco, hip-hop or something else, because we all love
music, 
but we can't find any techno that's good enough to buy. i know this is
the 
reason why i started buying different records then just techno.

at some point i couldn't find what i was looking for in the techno
section 
in my recordstore, but i did find hints of the 313 sound in records on 
labels like 2000black, or archive. same thing for house, i started
listening 
to theo parrish, because i thought i'd give his music a listen because
he 
came from detroit, and i hoped to hear some 313-techno influence in his 
music that was lacking in most of the techno i heard at the time.
through 
theo's mixes i got into older music, and i think that maybe this
[temporary 
?] drought in techno land will someday be the beginning of a new wave of

fresh techno, that gets it's influence not just from the latest
succesfull 
record, but from all sorts of musical styles from the past and the
future, 
or better yet, influenced by every day life.

so eventhough i've hardly bought any techno the past year, i still find 
myself digging through the techno section first in every record store i 
visit. i also think that most of the 313 relevant material that's worth 
discussing is getting mentioned on this list.

picked up the claro.intellect 12 om ai, nice, but i basically only
listen 
to the first track on side a, the second track uses a bit to much d n'b 
sounds for my taste, but that first track is just stunning.

also picked up the first local 3000 by mr dé and b. calloway, the
calloway 
track is the one for me, eventhough it's very fast, i dig the it in it's

simple funky way.

didn't get the local 3000 with that MIA track, and i'm somewhat
uncertain 
about that, i LOVED schoolcraft bump, and this one is equally strange,
but 
it didn't immediately catch me, but i think i'm going to love this when
i 
hear it a couple times more.

can't wait for the new psychostasia by reggie dokes, tony drake and one
more 
[genesis?] the clips on the submerge site sounded great, i think minto 
allready mentioned this one.

jurren

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Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[spw]

I noticed the new Richie Hawtin Hardtrax Vol III wasn't mentioned or the new
Monobox also 
a 
Detroit artist I cant think of his name Gary Martin?  who released records
on KMS has an 
album out which has not been mentioned.
Detroit electro labels like Twilight 76, Databse? don't get mentioned a lot.
I'm sure if you compiled a monthly list 313 artist labels it would be a good
size list.

on 4/13/03 7:50 PM, Phonopsia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 1:36 AM
 Subject: RE: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism
 
 
 Honestly I think that more 313 record reviews on this list would be a
 good thing.  I don't get to buy many records, right now I don't even
 have a job, and I sub to this list mostly to hear about records I might
 be missing.  I'm not seeing as much of that as I used to here, and I do
 feel that there has been a shift away from a techno sensibility too.  I
 like deep house, broken beat, and italo-disco type things too sometimes,
 but that's not really the kind of content I'm here for.  So if any of
 you are buying things on the 313 related techno and electro tip, please
 share your finds.
 
 
 Hi Dave,
 
 The reason why I haven't posted many reviews of those records is for the
 same reasons you list. I don't think they're specific enough to this list to
 warrant a review. Those that I feel are topical I've mentioned. I know you
 weren't speaking to me in specific, but thought I'd clarify, since I feel
 the same way. Honestly I would love to see more talk about new Detroit
 Techno, but I don't think there's a whole lot of it that's worth talking
 about at the moment. I'm spending more money on hip hop than techno right
 now. I could post loads of house reviews, and I intend to review some of the
 more [313]-relevant stuff, but I just haven't had the time. Soon.
 
 Tristan
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RE: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[Robert Taylor]

You've just mentioned them. Well done. You were first.

I don't understand what you're getting at - are you complaining that you 
haven't heard about these artists on 313? Why? Do you feel that your opinion on 
313-related music is not validated until the 313 list tells you it's cool, or 
is it the opposite: are you just trying to earn underground browny points for 
picking up on something before everyone else?

-Original Message-
From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 6:35 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism


I noticed the new Richie Hawtin Hardtrax Vol III wasn't mentioned or the new
Monobox also 
a 
Detroit artist I cant think of his name Gary Martin?  who released records
on KMS has an 
album out which has not been mentioned.
Detroit electro labels like Twilight 76, Databse? don't get mentioned a lot.
I'm sure if you compiled a monthly list 313 artist labels it would be a good
size list.

on 4/13/03 7:50 PM, Phonopsia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 1:36 AM
 Subject: RE: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism
 
 
 Honestly I think that more 313 record reviews on this list would be a
 good thing.  I don't get to buy many records, right now I don't even
 have a job, and I sub to this list mostly to hear about records I might
 be missing.  I'm not seeing as much of that as I used to here, and I do
 feel that there has been a shift away from a techno sensibility too.  I
 like deep house, broken beat, and italo-disco type things too sometimes,
 but that's not really the kind of content I'm here for.  So if any of
 you are buying things on the 313 related techno and electro tip, please
 share your finds.
 
 
 Hi Dave,
 
 The reason why I haven't posted many reviews of those records is for the
 same reasons you list. I don't think they're specific enough to this list to
 warrant a review. Those that I feel are topical I've mentioned. I know you
 weren't speaking to me in specific, but thought I'd clarify, since I feel
 the same way. Honestly I would love to see more talk about new Detroit
 Techno, but I don't think there's a whole lot of it that's worth talking
 about at the moment. I'm spending more money on hip hop than techno right
 now. I could post loads of house reviews, and I intend to review some of the
 more [313]-relevant stuff, but I just haven't had the time. Soon.
 
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Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[marsel]

what about the new 313 label ..

Local 3000?


- Original Message -
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism


 I noticed the new Richie Hawtin Hardtrax Vol III wasn't mentioned or the
new
 Monobox also
 a
 Detroit artist I cant think of his name Gary Martin?  who released records
 on KMS has an
 album out which has not been mentioned.
 Detroit electro labels like Twilight 76, Databse? don't get mentioned a
lot.
 I'm sure if you compiled a monthly list 313 artist labels it would be a
good
 size list.

 on 4/13/03 7:50 PM, Phonopsia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  - Original Message -
  From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 313@hyperreal.org
  Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 1:36 AM
  Subject: RE: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism
 
 
  Honestly I think that more 313 record reviews on this list would be a
  good thing.  I don't get to buy many records, right now I don't even
  have a job, and I sub to this list mostly to hear about records I might
  be missing.  I'm not seeing as much of that as I used to here, and I do
  feel that there has been a shift away from a techno sensibility too.  I
  like deep house, broken beat, and italo-disco type things too
sometimes,
  but that's not really the kind of content I'm here for.  So if any of
  you are buying things on the 313 related techno and electro tip, please
  share your finds.
 
 
  Hi Dave,
 
  The reason why I haven't posted many reviews of those records is for the
  same reasons you list. I don't think they're specific enough to this
list to
  warrant a review. Those that I feel are topical I've mentioned. I know
you
  weren't speaking to me in specific, but thought I'd clarify, since I
feel
  the same way. Honestly I would love to see more talk about new Detroit
  Techno, but I don't think there's a whole lot of it that's worth talking
  about at the moment. I'm spending more money on hip hop than techno
right
  now. I could post loads of house reviews, and I intend to review some of
the
  more [313]-relevant stuff, but I just haven't had the time. Soon.
 
  Tristan
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RE: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[Matthew MacQueen]

 I noticed the new Richie Hawtin Hardtrax Vol III wasn't 
 mentioned or the new Monobox also a Detroit artist I 
 cant think of his name Gary Martin?  who released records on KMS has an 
 album out which has not been mentioned.

great, so mention it! Why wait for someone else to?  Ask about it. If possible, 
drop a needle on it yourself if you can and post your comments/curiosities.  
It's not a one-way list unless you cast yourself solely as a consumer.   We can 
*ALL* be producers of content here, not just consumers of it.  313 doesn't owe 
anyone anything, like any community (virtual or actual) if you want to see 
improve, grab a rake and plant some flowers in the front yard.  Know what I 
mean?

What I read in your comments is despair that the list isn't producing what 
you'd like it to.  So why not devote that energy into providing content that 
you will like and there is a good chance others will read and appreciate it 
too.  And contribute in kind.  OR at least it becomes a good topic for healthy 
debate/idea exchange.

 Detroit electro labels like Twilight 76, Databse? don't get mentioned a lot.
 I'm sure if you compiled a monthly list 313 artist labels it would be a good
 size list.

Mention them then!  All of the artists/labels mentioned in this email are very 
welcome topics here.  Who's job do you think it is to mention them?  It's 
everyone's responsibility to provide new content, it's not some mysterious OZ 
figure hiding behind a curtain at hyperreal.  :)  

In case you were under any false assumptions, there is no official 313 
fountain of knowledge or topic officiator  where from all new topics and 
releases for discussion are approved and flow from.  If you are curious about a 
new release, ask for gods sake.  If you want to know reviews of things - ask 
for them.  Better yet, write them yourself when you get something new you are 
fond of.

A record review is also not gospel, it's one persons opinion about something 
that hits their ear.  I like reading multiple list members opinions on a 
record, especially when they differ.  it keeps it dynamic.  

I also second Otto and others recommendation that if finding out about new 
releases gets you going, then subscribe to the outbound emails from Submerge, 
Hardwax, Rush Hour, Groove Distribution, Groovetech, Sonic Groove, etc. etc.   

Sometimes people cut and paste those descriptions to the list and say anyone 
actually heard this and it starts a thread or prompts opinions there.  
Perfectly acceptable and in fact welcome traffic.  After all, it's about the 
music.

peace,
Matt MacQueen

Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[Otto]

spw:


I noticed the new Richie Hawtin Hardtrax Vol III wasn't mentioned or the new
Monobox also a
Detroit artist I cant think of his name Gary Martin?  who released records
on KMS has an
album out which has not been mentioned.
Detroit electro labels like Twilight 76, Databse? don't get mentioned a lot.


I'm sure there's people on this list who have bought these releases 
(although I haven't), but in their defense (and partially my own as well, 
ahem) I should say that writing reviews takes quite a bit of time. 
Especially if you want to write more than a generic description like deep 
Detroit-ish techno, nice strings or hard tribal techno track.


Otto

Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[spw]

on 4/14/03 2:10 PM, Otto at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What good is a new release list if there's no proper reviews to go with it?

merely mentioning the names promotes discussion of those artist and labels
it also makes 
people more aware of what's being released.

 Distributor's descriptions are notoriously biased and unreliable. That's
 precisely why people personally review records (for the benefit of others,
 I might add).
 
 And as others have pointed out, many online record stores offer to send
 lists like this straight to your email account. Hardwax, Hedonizm, Clone,
 Rush Hour among others regularly put out new release lists with a
 substantial 313 portion in it.

well like I stated before:

Moving on to the subject of record store stock list and distributor list:
People who subscribe to these list have to scroll through countless records
that are not 313 
and 
have to be familiarized with labels and artist that are, not to mention
all record store stock list are not the same, they do not carry the same
records.

People subscribing to the 313 list know their conveniently getting informed
about what is 
being released from all the artist and labels.
But perhaps this is too much of a task to expect from one person although
there are people 
here who seem to be obsessed with 313 music so they would be ideal
candidates.

Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[Klaas Jan Jongsma]

On maandag, apr 14, 2003, at 20:52 Europe/Amsterdam, spw wrote:

People subscribing to the 313 list know their conveniently getting 
informed

about what is
being released from all the artist and labels.
But perhaps this is too much of a task to expect from one person 
although

there are people
here who seem to be obsessed with 313 music so they would be ideal
candidates.


You are still avoiding the fact pointed out to you by several people 
right now that it is you who should write about records your missing, 
there are a  lot of people spending time writing e-mails to this list, 
if you feel something is missing please contribute instead of 
complaining about what is missing, i am getting the idea that you don't 
want to write and sit back and relax and watch all the info flowing 
into your mailbox, that is not how this list (and a lot of other lists) 
works. If you don't feel like writing about the records you miss please 
stop this thread, it is getting pointless if you don't


[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Why haven't *you* mentioned it then?! Stop bitchin' about it and do
something. Damn I'm sick of this topic raising its ugly ass head every few
months and hanging around longer than uninvited guests. How come so-and-so
hasn't been mentioned? If you haven't seen them mentioned and you're
interested in talking about it - bring up the f*cking topic then! If you
don't then shut the f*ck up. Yes, it's that easy. Crap or get off the pot.
We don't need the list-admin to do any more work then he already does, and
a mighty find job he does I might add. If you want to find out about new
releases get on the record labels' mailing lists - it's pretty simple.
As far as elitism and having records that few or no other people have -
that's the business. Like it or not. DJing is how many people make their
living. I expect prof. DJs to have records I can't possibly find - that's
why if I was a promoter I'd hire them (at least that's one very small
reason). Do they have the exclusive tunes? Yep - that's also why Final
Scratch is so hot right now. Having exclusive records guarantees that the
person will be in demand and it's also a way for small labels to get their
stuff heard and played. DJing is a business - it's money - it's survival in
a fierce game. Some lucky people get paid money to live on for doing what
they love to do while others, like most of us, do it as a past-time. That's
just the way it is. As far as elitism goes I prefer this definition when it
comes to DJs:

  consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

Hell, all the people we discuss have WORKED for their place in the world
- many are still working their asses off each and every night to make you
move your body. Let 'em have the white labels - they've earned them.

MEK




   
  spw   
   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   313@hyperreal.org   

  gy.net  cc:  
   
   Subject:  Re: (313) Re: New 
Music and Elitism   
  04/14/03 01:35 PM 
   

   

   




I noticed the new Richie Hawtin Hardtrax Vol III wasn't mentioned or the
new
Monobox also
a
Detroit artist I cant think of his name Gary Martin?  who released records
on KMS has an
album out which has not been mentioned.
Detroit electro labels like Twilight 76, Databse? don't get mentioned a
lot.
I'm sure if you compiled a monthly list 313 artist labels it would be a
good
size list.

on 4/13/03 7:50 PM, Phonopsia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 1:36 AM
 Subject: RE: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism


 Honestly I think that more 313 record reviews on this list would be a
 good thing.  I don't get to buy many records, right now I don't even
 have a job, and I sub to this list mostly to hear about records I might
 be missing.  I'm not seeing as much of that as I used to here, and I do
 feel that there has been a shift away from a techno sensibility too.  I
 like deep house, broken beat, and italo-disco type things too sometimes,
 but that's not really the kind of content I'm here for.  So if any of
 you are buying things on the 313 related techno and electro tip, please
 share your finds.


 Hi Dave,

 The reason why I haven't posted many reviews of those records is for the
 same reasons you list. I don't think they're specific enough to this list
to
 warrant a review. Those that I feel are topical I've mentioned. I know
you
 weren't speaking to me in specific, but thought I'd clarify, since I feel
 the same way. Honestly I would love to see more talk about new Detroit
 Techno, but I don't think there's a whole lot of it that's worth talking
 about at the moment. I'm spending more money on hip hop than techno right
 now. I could post loads of house reviews, and I intend to review some of
the
 more [313]-relevant stuff, but I just haven't had the time. Soon.

 Tristan
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RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Robert Taylor]

I'll also 2nd the London local heroes mention. But there are local heroes
everywhere that tear it up and don't get enough credit. Thank goodness they
exist, or some cities would flounder with zero good music.

Yes, I didn't mean to big up London as if it was unique in having 
eclectic  DJs.  I was just speaking from my very limited experiences.
It just seems a pity that these kind of DJs don't seem to become name DJs - 
the big DJs that do genre-mixing or whatever the hell you want to call it  
usually make a name for themselves as specialist DJs and then branch out when 
they can rely on their name only to fill a club, or, rarely, like FK, they have 
a regular club where they slowly but surely build up a following until it 
becomes international rather than just local.
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Re: (313) Shake in Holland

[Klaas Jan Jongsma]

What about Traxx? I heard him go from onside to another. He plays from 
wave, to pop, to electro to disco...


On maandag, apr 14, 2003, at 20:29 Europe/Amsterdam, Grammenos, Peter 
wrote:



add Theo Parrish.


exactly... disco, reggae, minimal chi jack tracks, soul, african music 
I
can't begin to understand, 70's rb, italo, latin, rocksteady, jazz 
fusion,
electronics...  you can never predict where his sets will go cause 
just when
you're in the groove of that genre he takes you to the next level on 
some

other plane.  A heavily EQ'd plane, mind...  ;)

PG Good point, how could i forget. I have a new mix of his on cdr 
called

'Contemplating Rythms Part 2 which has funk+soul, lots of old african
inspired music, jazzy stuff.



[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Grammenos, Peter]

Yes Mark and I have been discussing him off-line .. I agree
totally, he just spent over a week in NYC . I only got to hear
him out once this trip around, but was impressed with his super-
varied track selection.



-Original Message-
From: Klaas Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Grammenos, Peter
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The Music Institute] (E-mail)
Subject: Re: (313) Shake in Holland


What about Traxx? I heard him go from onside to another. He plays from 
wave, to pop, to electro to disco...

On maandag, apr 14, 2003, at 20:29 Europe/Amsterdam, Grammenos, Peter 
wrote:

 add Theo Parrish.

 exactly... disco, reggae, minimal chi jack tracks, soul, african music 
 I
 can't begin to understand, 70's rb, italo, latin, rocksteady, jazz 
 fusion,
 electronics...  you can never predict where his sets will go cause 
 just when
 you're in the groove of that genre he takes you to the next level on 
 some
 other plane.  A heavily EQ'd plane, mind...  ;)

 PG Good point, how could i forget. I have a new mix of his on cdr 
 called
 'Contemplating Rythms Part 2 which has funk+soul, lots of old african
 inspired music, jazzy stuff.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Darren Longton (Marketing)]

Kinda off this topic...but I once saw Traxx drop the needle (with the fader 
half way) ON BEAT!!!  My jaw it da flo!!

-Original Message-
From: Klaas Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Grammenos, Peter
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The Music Institute] (E-mail)
Subject: Re: (313) Shake in Holland


What about Traxx? I heard him go from onside to another. He plays from 
wave, to pop, to electro to disco...

On maandag, apr 14, 2003, at 20:29 Europe/Amsterdam, Grammenos, Peter 
wrote:

 add Theo Parrish.

 exactly... disco, reggae, minimal chi jack tracks, soul, african music 
 I
 can't begin to understand, 70's rb, italo, latin, rocksteady, jazz 
 fusion,
 electronics...  you can never predict where his sets will go cause 
 just when
 you're in the groove of that genre he takes you to the next level on 
 some
 other plane.  A heavily EQ'd plane, mind...  ;)

 PG Good point, how could i forget. I have a new mix of his on cdr 
 called
 'Contemplating Rythms Part 2 which has funk+soul, lots of old african
 inspired music, jazzy stuff.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: (313) Shake in Holland

[Phonopsia]

- Original Message - 
From: Klaas Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The Music Institute] (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Shake in Holland


 What about Traxx? I heard him go from onside to another. He plays from 
 wave, to pop, to electro to disco...

Absolutely! 

Tristan
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RE: (313) Shake in Holland

[Matthew MacQueen]

 What about Traxx? I heard him go from onside to another. 
 He plays from wave, to pop, to electro to disco...

He played a 4 hour set here when DJ Hell came through (each of them played 4 
hours, actually) and Traxx was all over the palce indeed.. he'll even drop some 
chicago industrial classics..., italo, classic detroit, proto-312 Jack Trax. He 
gets mad indeed, it's a wonder he can hold onto his records with all the sweat 
pouring off him.  He definitely WORKS when he's on the decks, in every way: 
selection, EQ, doubles, long mixes, drop-ins...  fun to dance to, if 
exhausting, ha ha

peace,
Matt MacQueen

Re: (313) Shake in Holland

[Phonopsia]

- Original Message -
From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 mailing list
313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland




 I'll also 2nd the London local heroes mention. But there are local heroes
 everywhere that tear it up and don't get enough credit. Thank goodness
they
 exist, or some cities would flounder with zero good music.

 Yes, I didn't mean to big up London as if it was unique in having
eclectic  DJs.  I was just speaking from my very limited experiences.
 It just seems a pity that these kind of DJs don't seem to become name
DJs - the big DJs that do genre-mixing or whatever the hell you want to call
it  usually make a name for themselves as specialist DJs and then branch out
when they can rely on their name only to fill a club, or, rarely, like FK,
they have a regular club where they slowly but surely build up a following
until it becomes international rather than just local.


I think it's more that there are very few DJs that get national or
international noteriety w/o record releases to back up their DJ skill. It's
been this way for a long time, and probably will continue to be, since
records get your name to the people and promoters that much easier - they
also generate hype and expectation. I'm not gonna try and grind this axe too
hard though, b/c I've probably beat this horse a bit too severely already.

Tristan
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Re: (313) Shake in Holland

[Phonopsia]

- Original Message -
From: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Klaas Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The
Music Institute] (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: (313) Shake in Holland


 proto-312 Jack Trax

Damn that's a good name for it! He played stuff like that all night at
Portal in August. It was insane!

Tristan
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Re: (313) Shake in Holland

[Mark S . Krüx]

 What about Traxx? I heard him go from onside to another. He plays from
 wave, to pop, to electro to disco...

Word Traxx played a VERY eclectic set at Cafe Deville here in NYC a couple
of weeks back...

He started with the new Ugly Edits and some disco then progressed into EBM,
Industrial,  jackin' Trax stuff and even a Prince tune...good stuff all of
it:)

Tenaglia is another DJ that can really mix it up...I've heard him play Hard
House, Trance,  classic House,  313 stuff,  Electro,  Hard Techno,  Disco,
Black Sheep,  Missy Elliott  AND Pink Floyd all in the same set.

I like a DJ that takes the crowd on a journey...

Lates,

m*

Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism

[Mark S . Krüx]

It's been discussed...
- Original Message -
From: marsel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism



 what about the new 313 label ..

 Local 3000?


 - Original Message -
 From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 8:35 PM
 Subject: Re: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism


  I noticed the new Richie Hawtin Hardtrax Vol III wasn't mentioned or the
 new
  Monobox also
  a
  Detroit artist I cant think of his name Gary Martin?  who released
records
  on KMS has an
  album out which has not been mentioned.
  Detroit electro labels like Twilight 76, Databse? don't get mentioned a
 lot.
  I'm sure if you compiled a monthly list 313 artist labels it would be a
 good
  size list.
 
  on 4/13/03 7:50 PM, Phonopsia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   - Original Message -
   From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: 313@hyperreal.org
   Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 1:36 AM
   Subject: RE: (313) Re: New Music and Elitism
  
  
   Honestly I think that more 313 record reviews on this list would be a
   good thing.  I don't get to buy many records, right now I don't even
   have a job, and I sub to this list mostly to hear about records I
might
   be missing.  I'm not seeing as much of that as I used to here, and I
do
   feel that there has been a shift away from a techno sensibility too.
I
   like deep house, broken beat, and italo-disco type things too
 sometimes,
   but that's not really the kind of content I'm here for.  So if any of
   you are buying things on the 313 related techno and electro tip,
please
   share your finds.
  
  
   Hi Dave,
  
   The reason why I haven't posted many reviews of those records is for
the
   same reasons you list. I don't think they're specific enough to this
 list to
   warrant a review. Those that I feel are topical I've mentioned. I know
 you
   weren't speaking to me in specific, but thought I'd clarify, since I
 feel
   the same way. Honestly I would love to see more talk about new Detroit
   Techno, but I don't think there's a whole lot of it that's worth
talking
   about at the moment. I'm spending more money on hip hop than techno
 right
   now. I could post loads of house reviews, and I intend to review some
of
 the
   more [313]-relevant stuff, but I just haven't had the time. Soon.
  
   Tristan
   ===
   Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
   Music: http://www.mp313.com
   Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 
 
 

(313) Groovetech track ID

[Ben Kennedy]

Does anyone know what the tune that is playing on the  FComm Presents...
Electronic with no Limits  show at 4.48 mins? It comes in a little while
before, the guys voice is very familiar.

http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/GT/srvlt/GTController?action=Broadcast
Detailpage=detail_broadcast.jspHTMLType=DetailBroadcastEventID=13199

Re: (313) Groovetech track ID

[Mark S . Krüx]

That's Tiga's remix of Felix Da House Cat's Madame Hollywood.
- Original Message -
From: Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: (313) Groovetech track ID


 Does anyone know what the tune that is playing on the  FComm Presents...
 Electronic with no Limits  show at 4.48 mins? It comes in a little while
 before, the guys voice is very familiar.


http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/GT/srvlt/GTController?action=Broadcast
 Detailpage=detail_broadcast.jspHTMLType=DetailBroadcastEventID=13199

(313) project on dance music culture

[Ben Kennedy]

Sorry I forgot to mention that anonymity will be assured, and no real names
will be used thanks. Ben

Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[Erik Jälevik]

 And as others have pointed out, many online record stores offer to send
 lists like this straight to your email account. Hardwax, Hedonizm, Clone,
 Rush Hour among others regularly put out new release lists with a
 substantial 313 portion in it.

Nice to see the record shop just across the road from my front door getting
a mention! Hedonizm that is. Didn't know they had a world-wide presence...
:)

Erik

(313) Re: Shake in Holland _ in Paris

[Minto George]

the $tinkdowg wrote:

it's coming! coming thru EFA later this year. i heard
most of it while 
sitting in the car with him at the airport in
dallas...

yah I recently spoke to Shake and he now tells me that
it will come out on Frictional but possibly
distributed through EFA in Germany. He did say there
was one more year left in the contract or something to
that effect. 

many incredibly beautiful hiphop (with a bit of the
shake touch! a 
little 
bit idm like he does..) tracks on there (def some of
the best yet from 
him!), techno, some very nice melodies...wild
sounds...i even liked the 
frictional beat style one that minto didnt :P but
minto didnt hear much 
of 
the rest...nyah nyah toe :P ...let's just hope EFA
dont drop the ball..

haha yah I missed out! I did hear a few in the car
though on the way to the airport and they were
definately incredible songs. Awesome beats and
experimental orchestration even. It is a work in
progress as Shake states but he's working hard at
learning some new production tools to help his finish
the album. can't wait to hear the finished product!

minto



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Re: (313) New Music and Elitism - Was Re: test

[Erik Jälevik]

- Original Message -
From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 i smell an adam beyer/hard techno/jeff mills' clones fan..? no? well,
let's
 have it...you set yourself up..

Just wondering... Is this sort of stuff not considered 313? I get the
impression it's looked down upon by a lot of people. Although Adam Beyer is
far from consistently good, some of his earlier stuff are techno classics in
my book. Especially the Decoded LP from 6-7 years back.

Erik