Re: (313) Techno clubs in Sydney
Someone should book Phunk De Sonique from here to play live in Syd, they're just so good. I've known them since they were kids and they've come so far. They did this party Blow Your Own Way in Dec (on the street it got another name, but I'll keep it nice here), with the creme de la creme of our new generation. Techno, house, Latin, electro. Plus we got the Little Beasties coming out on Music For Freaks with their porno electro-house goth soul. Look out for the Mischief parties in Sydney with a super dupa 313 guest in Feb (and Melb). Nope, Melb has it right now. Syd is nu skool breaked out. -- From: Hindle, Simon (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Techno clubs in Sydney Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 9:13 AM Like Quest said, there's not so much in Sydney - what techno there is tends to be of the pretty bloody hard variety - there are a few such gigs coming up in February. Somebody mentioned Tailors and there's a night on there this Friday (I think) called B.E.E.F. - it's more electro-and-house influenced as opposed to straight-up techno but a good night nonetheless. I'd recommend that. The Hopetoun in Surry Hills usually has good Sunday evening things on, put on by various crews who used to do Frigid there. There's the Big Day Out festival next weekend which has got Aphex Twin, Luke Vibert, Afrika Bambaata and plenty others. And Metallica! Aphex Twin's sideshow gig has sold out though. And, of course, there's my party at the Sly Fox - we just had one last Saturday and the next is likely to be on valentine's day if your friends are still knocking around... Hope this helps! Si -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 13 January 2004 8:25 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Techno clubs in Sydney ** Entertainment UK Limited Registered Office: 243 Blyth Road, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1DN. Registered in England Numbered 409775 This e-mail is only intended for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions or comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of the company. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you for your co-operation. ** A couple of friends are currently in Sydney are in need of some guidance (urgently !) They got guest-listed for Home said it was like being back at Camden Palace with Darren Emerson playing cheesy anthems from 95 ! Can anyone recommend any good techno nights going on out there at the mo? Thanks, G. NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited.
(313) media players... (OT)
wanted to throw this out for all the PC users that like me, HATE realplayer, yet want to be able to play rm files... http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/ this is a great program called media player classic. mpc will play just about everything out there, is self contained (one file instead of an installer that throws files all over your puter) and has more features than either windows media player or real player. seems stable and is free -Joe
Re: AW: (313) Techno clubs in Sydney
From: David Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Katrin Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AW: (313) Techno clubs in Sydney Yes Voodoo is still going (at home) but I'm not sure it would really cut it for techno (well of the 313 variety anyhow). I'm guessing the Taylors on Central night you are thinking of is Beef. That's a semi-regular electro night. I've never been, but I guess it could be worth a look into if it was on. I don't think you'd call the music at Voodoo techno these days. Not even that 'tekkno' music. If you love your breakbeat or your hands-in-the-air house, then Sydney's the place for you. I've been living in Sydney for almost 4 years now after living in the two Australian cities which could hold claim to the title of techno capital through the 90s, being Melbourne and Adelaide, and in that past 4 years, there's been not a lot to speak of (on the 313 tip) bar Chinese Laundry and The Dendy (S*P*R), which as mentioned has both now passed on. It's also not through lack of trying by promoters and djs, Sydney has what could only be described as a superficial dance music 'scene' which is more focussed on the things that don't involve the music so much. That said, the resistance is growing. ;) -- Benn Glazier email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +61 (0)413 316 618 http://www.royaltech.net
Re: AW: (313) Techno clubs in Sydney
There's extensive debates about the future of techno in Melbourne too, ie does it have one, so I'm not dissin' Sydney, but a lot of that was when Richard Maher, who pretty much created a scene for the Detroit ethos of techno here, left os and there was a vacuum for a year. The momentum was lost then. I guess no one wanted to jump in as Richard could be back at any time. He was the main promoter working those acts and putting on large yet credible events and making them *financially viable*. What remained were people who understood bang-bang techno and nothing else. Punters got sick of that and there was a violent backlash. Then everyone got into deep house - or nu-skool breaks - while the techno underground fortified itself. Now if Richard were to come back the underground scene would be unrecognisable as there's a new generation of players - DJs, producers and agents, promoters, etc - and possibly more fluidity between genres (electro, house, etc) and more of a community spirit. There's ideological differences - eg 'do we like Freaks new album or not?' type issues, is seamless or choppy mixing better, is so-and-so worthy of supporting so-and-so or not - but people agree to disagree and work together. The old generation of techno promoters still here who did techno are reaching out to the hard house faction while the young ones are doing club events, not raves, and showing the affinity between Detroit techno, electro, deep house, etc. I think the latter is the way to go in terms of maintaining some credibility. Reaching out to the hard house kids is more financially viable but short sighted. The main problem is that the new techno posse are accused of being overly purist - I think they enjoy playing up the elite thing myself for fun - for a low tolerance to hard house so you get some fun internet threads on Oz web sites. -- From: Benn D. Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: AW: (313) Techno clubs in Sydney Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:52 AM From: David Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Katrin Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AW: (313) Techno clubs in Sydney Yes Voodoo is still going (at home) but I'm not sure it would really cut it for techno (well of the 313 variety anyhow). I'm guessing the Taylors on Central night you are thinking of is Beef. That's a semi-regular electro night. I've never been, but I guess it could be worth a look into if it was on. I don't think you'd call the music at Voodoo techno these days. Not even that 'tekkno' music. If you love your breakbeat or your hands-in-the-air house, then Sydney's the place for you. I've been living in Sydney for almost 4 years now after living in the two Australian cities which could hold claim to the title of techno capital through the 90s, being Melbourne and Adelaide, and in that past 4 years, there's been not a lot to speak of (on the 313 tip) bar Chinese Laundry and The Dendy (S*P*R), which as mentioned has both now passed on. It's also not through lack of trying by promoters and djs, Sydney has what could only be described as a superficial dance music 'scene' which is more focussed on the things that don't involve the music so much. That said, the resistance is growing. ;) -- Benn Glazier email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +61 (0)413 316 618 http://www.royaltech.net
RE: (313) A complete Detroit Techno collection
I like the B-52's anyway, but that track is like the greatest I ever heard of theirs! It was also on a comp Carl Craig put together. I'm not sure it REALLY has much to do with Detroit techno, but it still rocks. ~Dave -Original Message- From: Cobert, Gwendal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:42 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) A complete Detroit Techno collection Mesopotamia - The B-52s I think I need some explanations on this one... ??? Gwendal
Re: AW: (313) Techno clubs in Sydney
if someone received a rather crazy rant from me on this topic as a private email, sorry! it was meant to be public. it wasn't directed at you personally. james www.jbucknell.com
RE: (313) new dbx
www.covert.uk.com is the right address. Nice stuff there btw... laters, mislav -Original Message- From: Trevor Wilkes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:27 AM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) new dbx I believe they are tlaking about Squirrel bait yes. I personally dig the vampirella-ish body freak or whatever it's called and superminimal sounds bloody intense REALLY loud ;) I bought mine from www.covert.co.uk they still have copies...and SOUND CLIPS so check it out Trevor Wilkes - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'jonathan morse' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@Hyperreal.ORG Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: RE: (313) new dbx can someone plesaase claify what new DBX your talking about (since some of us don't go to the record shop 3 times a week) If you're talking about Squirrelbait- which to my knowledge is the most recent DBX release- than it needs to be heard on a big system to be understood. I didn';t like it on the villallobos mix cd, but was rocked when john tejada played it live. and if there's another newer DBx- it'd be nice to know the name of it. thanks On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, robin wrote: - ok, at the risk of coming across as jaded...granted these - are only 30 sec RA - clips and not on a home/club system or pitched up/down but - having been - around for the DBX classics I'd rather listen to those and - reminisce then - revisit the sound/style ten years later. not that these - aren't good tracks - or anything but I much rather spend my money on recent dan - bell remixes - than recent DBX rehashes. - - anyone else feel this way or is it just me? i think i'm with ya there actually. this seems like heresy but i think dan's newer stuff doesn't really light my fire in the same way that the old dbx material did. that isn't to say i don't pick it up but now i make sure i listen to it first, whereas i used to just buy his material on sight. is it possible that the use of certain equipment (ok, i'm talkin rz1) gave dbx such a distinctive style that it's kinda hard to move on from that without people moaning like i'm doing now? robin...
Re: (313) new dbx
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:38:01 -0500, Mark S. Krüx [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Agreed.it's hard to pick a favorite DBX record, but Squirrel bait ain't it Electric Shock for me. :) Cheers Benn -- Benn Glazier email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +61 (0)413 316 618 http://www.royaltech.net
RE: (313) mix CD economics (was j. mills)
The CD / DVD is on REACT. -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 January 2004 8:44 To: jurren baars; 313 Subject: Re: (313) mix CD economics (was j. mills) heres something I've wondered about. when a dj makes a mix cd such as this and features tracks that he/she made or owns the label they were released on or both does that mean that he/she makes out three ways financially - for doing the mix, for licensing the tracks from the label to the mix and for creating the track that's licensed from the label to the mix? no. Yes, if the mix CD is on someone else's label. For example, if Sony released a Jeff Mills mix CD they would pay him a fee to actually do the mix and to be associated with it; plus a licensing advance to Axis for any Axis tracks used; plus mechanical royalties for each of the tracks used, which would eventually reach his publishing company (Millsart BMI). But if he's releasing a mix CD on his own label, the situation is different - he'll be paying mechanical publishing royalties for all the tracks he's using (some of which will eventually come back to him, if he's using his own tracks); plus licensing advances to the labels of all the other tracks he's using... *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
RE: (313) mix CD economics (was j. mills)
Ryan saysThe CD / DVD is on REACT. Jeff Says Ker-ching! (only kidding folks, lighten-up) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
AW: (313) The B-52's (was: A complete Detroit Techno collection)
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 06:02 An: 'Cobert, Gwendal'; 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) A complete Detroit Techno collection I like the B-52's anyway, but that track is like the greatest I ever heard of theirs! (...) hmm, the best? Well, maybe, but don't forget dance this mess around (Why don't you dance with meee?) 6060-842 and Song for a Future Generation...or rock lobster, or or or... they made a lot of very, very good tunes, I guess their 1990 compilation The Best of the B-52's: Dance This Mess Around is a good record to start with... funny though, discussing this band on a detroit techno/house mailing list...:) c.
(313) Visage again again
Apologies if you get this more than once but my 313 mails don't seem to be coming back to me Recently the list was talking about Frequency 7 by Visage. I have another question about another track by them - Pleasure Boys. I have it on CD on the Mantronix comp on Soul Jazz and it sounds nothing like Visage - it's like an electro mastermix with bits of Bambaata's Planet Rock and a huge chunk of Hashim's Al Naafiysh - it's very cheeky but totally unlike Visage, so I was wandering whether it was actually a mistake and was something else entirely (a fault at the pressing plant or something). Anyone know what I am talking about? # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) Visage again again
Recently the list was talking about Frequency 7 by Visage. I have another question about another track by them - Pleasure Boys. I have it on CD on the Mantronix comp on Soul Jazz and it sounds nothing like Visage - it's like an electro mastermix with bits of Bambaata's Planet Rock and a huge chunk of Hashim's Al Naafiysh - it's very cheeky but totally unlike Visage, so I was wandering whether it was actually a mistake and was something else entirely (a fault at the pressing plant or something). Anyone know what I am talking about? I know the Pleasure Boys track, but I'm not too sure if I can help because I've not heard the mantronix comp. There's a couple of versions, there's a danny krivit edit on US polydor from around '83 ish, and then there's a 12 with an 'extended dance mix' w/ a b/w cover on a UK press. er, not sure what to say, I mean I guess its a little different from some of their stuff, but then 'frequency 7' doesn't exactly sound alot like their other things is there any clips anywhere rob that you can find? (of the mix) supposedly Ron Hardy used to play it quite a bit. also, (and I can't remember who told me this, maybe it was from the list - greg earle?) but different members of the band used to produce and write different tracks, so maybe that accounts for the severe differences in sound? Maybe? Alex *minister of half assed info* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Visage again again
btw, I can't remember who it was asking for frequency 7 the other day. I forgot, but I have a few copies, you come across it record digging in the UK with ridiculous regularity. I gave my mate one a while back, but I'm certain I still have at least two, so if you still want one, hit me up privately and I'll post it out. It might not be in mint nick, but I'm sure it'll be fine to play out, and it's free. (I work in a postroom too so the postage is free) alex *hoping one good deed a year will somehow improve my karma* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) UR - Splish records ??
True. Dunno what else they put out, though. Wasn't 'Splish' Mark Moores' label (He of S-Express fame also remixed by CC2) ? Chris. - Original Message - From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: RE: (313) UR - Splish records ?? I have this release too, would be interested to hear any information. -Original Message- From: D1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 January 2004 5:33 To: 313 Subject: (313) UR - Splish records ?? Does anyone know anything about a label called SPLISH ? I picked up a record on the label with 4 versions of Living for the night licienced from Underground Resistance the other day in a charity shop. It was released in 1991. They're all differnet versions to the ones I have on UR. Does anyone know if Splish licienced any other stuff from the US ? Eamonn - D1 / Dublin *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
RE: (313) UR - Splish records ??
tazania 'seduce me'...that was on splish...a goody. -Original Message- From: Tom Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 13:31 To: 313 mailing list Subject: Re: (313) UR - Splish records ?? True. Dunno what else they put out, though. Wasn't 'Splish' Mark Moores' label (He of S-Express fame also remixed by CC2) ? Chris. - Original Message - From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: RE: (313) UR - Splish records ?? I have this release too, would be interested to hear any information. -Original Message- From: D1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 January 2004 5:33 To: 313 Subject: (313) UR - Splish records ?? Does anyone know anything about a label called SPLISH ? I picked up a record on the label with 4 versions of Living for the night licienced from Underground Resistance the other day in a charity shop. It was released in 1991. They're all differnet versions to the ones I have on UR. Does anyone know if Splish licienced any other stuff from the US ? Eamonn - D1 / Dublin *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** . --- Information in this email may be privileged, confidential and is intended exclusively for the addressee. The views expressed may not be official policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your system. You should not reproduce, distribute, store, retransmit, use or disclose its contents to anyone. Please note we reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communication through our internal and external networks. ---
Re: (313) Visage again again
yeah i've got that comp, its def not pleasure boys, they made a mistake. At one stage i think i knew what the replacement track was but i have since forgotten. pretty sure Sam On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:06:11 -, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Apologies if you get this more than once but my 313 mails don't seem to be coming back to me Recently the list was talking about Frequency 7 by Visage. I have another question about another track by them - Pleasure Boys. I have it on CD on the Mantronix comp on Soul Jazz and it sounds nothing like Visage - it's like an electro mastermix with bits of Bambaata's Planet Rock and a huge chunk of Hashim's Al Naafiysh - it's very cheeky but totally unlike Visage, so I was wandering whether it was actually a mistake and was something else entirely (a fault at the pressing plant or something). Anyone know what I am talking about? # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # -- Sam K [EMAIL PROTECTED] sub-sequence 2xx 98.3fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web
(313) axis
So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your porsche and all, you thieving git. and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? pah. Is there a reason? am I missing something? answers on a postcard please. many thanks. alex *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* or *moaning dumb fool mug punter* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) axis
hello. we posted this issue a while ago op my (dutch) weblog. it has something to do with the distributers.. One claims that they have the exclusive rights for europe. (it was a belgium distributer) later on I had a conversation with some shop owners, who claimed that if they wanted to make any profit they had to marge on the records up to 80%. We also tried to ask axis for an explanation. but it did not work out so far. kind regards aida -- kijk ondertussen op: Rebelbass weblog @ 3voor12: http://www.3voor12.vpro.nl/rebelbass Rebelbass home: http://www.rebelbass.com So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your porsche and all, you thieving git. and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? pah. Is there a reason? am I missing something? answers on a postcard please. many thanks. alex *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* or *moaning dumb fool mug punter* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) axis
He will be soon be advertising in the colour supplements of Sunday newsapapers. The latest EP by internationally acclaimed DJ and recording artist, Jeffrey Mills, comes to you individually numbered and with a genuine certificate of authenticity. Yours for only £2.99 in 24 individual monthly payments. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:48 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) axis So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your porsche and all, you thieving git. and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? pah. Is there a reason? am I missing something? answers on a postcard please. many thanks. alex *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* or *moaning dumb fool mug punter* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) axis
Mahogani What is this, Alex?? I agree, the prices are pretty steep. They were approx £8 a go, a month ago - the price is increasing steadily. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 2:48 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) axis So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your porsche and all, you thieving git. and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? pah. Is there a reason? am I missing something? answers on a postcard please. many thanks. alex *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* or *moaning dumb fool mug punter* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
Re: (313) axis
oyes, and one shopowner told us that there were only 1000 copys worldwide.. I think he saw another kind of light... ;) Mahogani What is this, Alex?? I agree, the prices are pretty steep. They were approx £8 a go, a month ago - the price is increasing steadily. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 2:48 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) axis So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your porsche and all, you thieving git. and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? pah. Is there a reason? am I missing something? answers on a postcard please. many thanks. alex *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* or *moaning dumb fool mug punter* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring ** * Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ** *
RE: (313) axis
hmmm well it's these kind of things that make me grumble too. the argument that if you don't like the price don't buy it doesn't wash either (vinyl is an addiction to most around here)... so mebbe vinyl is becoming more of a niche thing (most independent stuff has runs of say 1500 if yer lucky) and this is a way of recouping the costs. if you follow that through we're looking at a new price for 12s aren't we? but won't this mean vinyl becomes more niche? the above angle only holds for mahogani tho, not axis due to their respective sizes. robin... - So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? - - That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) - - See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your - porsche and all, you - thieving git. - - and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? - pah. - - Is there a reason? am I missing something? - - answers on a postcard please. - - many thanks. - - alex - *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* - or - *moaning dumb fool mug punter*
Re: (313) axis
So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? It's ridiculous isn't it? Supposedly it's because they're limited to 2000 copies. But going by that logic, I could sell Emoticon stuff for £20 because they're limited to 500 copies! Also there's a message on the sleeve saying 'Support those who try to make a difference' - well I'd be more inclined to support him if he charged the same for his records as every other struggling independent. and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? Yeah, they really are taking the p!ss with that...
AW: (313) melodic techno
Check the new 'Raiders of the lost ARP' album on Nature. Very gentle. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Januar 2004 18:39 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: (313) melodic techno melodic techno I know someone asked the other day where is all the melodic techno now? well it just occurred to me that something I recorded this past week would probably qualify as melodic something, maybe electro more than techno? I don't know what you all consider to be the differences between the two. anyways, please listen and enjoy the following: www.emmrecords.com/~fux/fuxz__rehashed_melod33z.mp3 alternately, you can surf to www.emmrecords.com/~fux/web.php and download this audio plus anything else I'm currenly playing with... since none of its done, I encourage criticism and comments thanks, -Joe /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) a nice email about downlow records
I second that emotion! I'm new to the list as of this week, and this is the first thread that I read and thought, time to say somethin... I agree wholeheartedly with Andrew's thoughts on Downlow. Minto and the boys got it together. The latest East Island vs Moderator and Convextion releases are absolutely wonderful, as is the not so recent Arne Weinberg 'Beauty in Decay' record. Rumor has it that there is a full length Convextion album coming next year hopefully. I'm patiently waiting. Happy New Year to all. Adam http://www.tranzfuse.com http://www.latenightessentials.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:06 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (313) a nice email about downlow records originally posted on the tech-house list: I've been silent on the best of 2003 list as i was trying to pick from a bunch of records that i'm not focused on right now. I'm in winter crazy mode which lends itself to more introspective sounds and feelings. so rather than try to put together a list of trax that may or may not be a true representation (I never count the number of plays, too drunk), I've decided to say something that i really feel needs to be said. I dunno 'bout 2003 but I feel Downlow records may well be one of the most consistent, as well as consistently overlooked, labels on earth. recently I posted a review (or blabber more like) about some delsin records that were recently released and that got me to thinking about good techno labels that avoid the cliches of the techno du jour and stay well into what they believe in. Downlow is one of those. and though I believe one of the label heads (minto I think) used to be on list (may still be may not) I haven't heard much about them here. Thats a shame. they've released nothing but top quality stuff by leaders in the game (famous and not) and judging by the soundbytes online for the next release the moderator vs east island they ain't slowing down. evidently these guys listen close to what buyers want as well, I've never seen them release less than 4 trax on a disc, sometimes I've seen 5 or 6 even. never got a bad pressing...yet :) and they have full song streaming soundbytes online at their site. plus they're one of the few stateside labels to hold it down for original melodic techno. got that off my chest. phew! and before anyone asks, NO I don't know the label owners personally ($tinkworx and minto), NO I am not affiliated with them in any way except musical taste. just felt that more people should give props where they're due, cuz If you won't... who will? plus most praise nowadays is just blowing sunshine so it's about time someone spoke from the heart. peace y'all. stay true. think forward. anyone got any labels that are dear to the heart/sound that they feel ain't getting proper exposure? (I'm always up for new sources of great music) this kind of topic may be well important to smaller labels in these days of faltering sales etc. so Speak Up! Kamal K. Stoddard Entech Turner Broadcasting System **Tangalimlibo had a large and beautiful ox given to her by her father. That ox was called by her own name. She took off a piece of her clothing and gave it to the ox, which ate it.** Jason Trenholm was born 31 August 1969 and died 1 January 2004. We met when we were 5 years old; he was my best friend for the next 29 years.* Andrew Duke releases out now: Take Nothing For Granted http://cognitionaudioworks.com Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org Sprung http://bip-hop.com http://warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php? cat=BLEEP12fc_type=CD *Canadian electronica album of the year nominee* More Destructive Than Organized http://staalplaat.com Highest Common Denominator http://pieheadrecords.com Physical and Mental Health http://dialrecords.com 74'02 (split with Hypo) http://tsunami-addiction.com http://cognitionaudioworks.com
(313) clarification RE: (313) a nice email about downlow records
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:19:48 -0500, Adam Smith wrote: I second that emotion! I'm new to the list as of this week, and this is the first thread that I read and thought, time to say somethin... I agree wholeheartedly with Andrew's thoughts on Downlow. ***Please note; though I agree with that nice email about downlow records, it was Kamal Stoddard who wrote and posted that email. Kamal had posted it on the tech-house list and i simply forwarded it to the 313 and techno lists. Kamal wrote the email, I just forwarded it. Andrew Duke Minto and the boys got it together. The latest East Island vs Moderator and Convextion releases are absolutely wonderful, as is the not so recent Arne Weinberg 'Beauty in Decay' record. Rumor has it that there is a full length Convextion album coming next year hopefully. I'm patiently waiting. Happy New Year to all. Adam http://www.tranzfuse.com http://www.latenightessentials.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:06 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (313) a nice email about downlow records originally posted on the tech-house list: I've been silent on the best of 2003 list as i was trying to pick from a bunch of records that i'm not focused on right now. I'm in winter crazy mode which lends itself to more introspective sounds and feelings. so rather than try to put together a list of trax that may or may not be a true representation (I never count the number of plays, too drunk), I've decided to say something that i really feel needs to be said. I dunno 'bout 2003 but I feel Downlow records may well be one of the most consistent, as well as consistently overlooked, labels on earth. recently I posted a review (or blabber more like) about some delsin records that were recently released and that got me to thinking about good techno labels that avoid the cliches of the techno du jour and stay well into what they believe in. Downlow is one of those. and though I believe one of the label heads (minto I think) used to be on list (may still be may not) I haven't heard much about them here. Thats a shame. they've released nothing but top quality stuff by leaders in the game (famous and not) and judging by the soundbytes online for the next release the moderator vs east island they ain't slowing down. evidently these guys listen close to what buyers want as well, I've never seen them release less than 4 trax on a disc, sometimes I've seen 5 or 6 even. never got a bad pressing...yet :) and they have full song streaming soundbytes online at their site. plus they're one of the few stateside labels to hold it down for original melodic techno. got that off my chest. phew! and before anyone asks, NO I don't know the label owners personally ($tinkworx and minto), NO I am not affiliated with them in any way except musical taste. just felt that more people should give props where they're due, cuz If you won't... who will? plus most praise nowadays is just blowing sunshine so it's about time someone spoke from the heart. peace y'all. stay true. think forward. anyone got any labels that are dear to the heart/sound that they feel ain't getting proper exposure? (I'm always up for new sources of great music) this kind of topic may be well important to smaller labels in these days of faltering sales etc. so Speak Up! Kamal K. Stoddard Entech Turner Broadcasting System **Tangalimlibo had a large and beautiful ox given to her by her father. That ox was called by her own name. She took off a piece of her clothing and gave it to the ox, which ate it.** Jason Trenholm was born 31 August 1969 and died 1 January 2004. We met when we were 5 years old; he was my best friend for the next 29 years.* Andrew Duke releases out now: Take Nothing For Granted http://cognitionaudioworks.com Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org Sprung http://bip-hop.com http://warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php? cat=BLEEP12fc_type=CD *Canadian electronica album of the year nominee* More Destructive Than Organized http://staalplaat.com Highest Common Denominator http://pieheadrecords.com Physical and Mental Health http://dialrecords.com 74'02 (split with Hypo) http://tsunami-addiction.com http://cognitionaudioworks.com Jason Trenholm was born 31 August 1969 and died 1 January 2004. We met when we were 5 years old; he was my best friend for the next 29 years.* Andrew Duke releases out now: Take Nothing For Granted http://cognitionaudioworks.com Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org Sprung http://bip-hop.com http://warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php? cat=BLEEP12fc_type=CD *Canadian electronica album of the year nominee* More Destructive Than Organized http://staalplaat.com Highest Common Denominator http://pieheadrecords.com Physical and Mental Health http://dialrecords.com 74'02 (split with
(313) Raiders Of The Lost ARP Re: melodic techno
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:19:21 +0100, Katrin Richter wrote: Check the new 'Raiders of the lost ARP' album on Nature. Very gentle. ***I'll second this. I just did up a top ten to be published in Coda (France) and this was included. The album is simply entitled 4. Great stuff. Andrew Duke -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Januar 2004 18:39 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: (313) melodic techno melodic techno I know someone asked the other day where is all the melodic techno now? well it just occurred to me that something I recorded this past week would probably qualify as melodic something, maybe electro more than techno? I don't know what you all consider to be the differences between the two. anyways, please listen and enjoy the following: www.emmrecords.com/~fux/fuxz__rehashed_melod33z.mp3 alternately, you can surf to www.emmrecords.com/~fux/web.php and download this audio plus anything else I'm currenly playing with... since none of its done, I encourage criticism and comments thanks, -Joe /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Trenholm was born 31 August 1969 and died 1 January 2004. We met when we were 5 years old; he was my best friend for the next 29 years.* Andrew Duke releases out now: Take Nothing For Granted http://cognitionaudioworks.com Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org Sprung http://bip-hop.com http://warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php? cat=BLEEP12fc_type=CD *Canadian electronica album of the year nominee* More Destructive Than Organized http://staalplaat.com Highest Common Denominator http://pieheadrecords.com Physical and Mental Health http://dialrecords.com 74'02 (split with Hypo) http://tsunami-addiction.com http://cognitionaudioworks.com
Re: (313) axis
I'm sorry, but I see no decent excuses for this kind of pricing whatsoever, especially for a label as huge as Axis. As was the case with the Peacefrog limited editions, it's blatently just using peoples addiction to rare vinyl as an excuse for jacking the prices through the roof to make a large profit. I'm all for limited releases, but it's just cheap to charge more for them. At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about £1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about £5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. For Axis, it strikes me as pure greed - they know damn well that they will sell out every single copy, and the profit to them will be huge (percentage wise, at least). The bit about prices being forced up by the distributors is ridiculous - a label with the clout of Jeff's can easily keep their distributor to a set standard markup. It just seems like elitism - he knows people lap up everything he puts out, and can basically charge what he wants. People might complain, but they'll still shell out... Leaving less cash to support other, smaller outfits... Gr ;-) - Original Message - From: robin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: RE: (313) axis hmmm well it's these kind of things that make me grumble too. the argument that if you don't like the price don't buy it doesn't wash either (vinyl is an addiction to most around here)... so mebbe vinyl is becoming more of a niche thing (most independent stuff has runs of say 1500 if yer lucky) and this is a way of recouping the costs. if you follow that through we're looking at a new price for 12s aren't we? but won't this mean vinyl becomes more niche? the above angle only holds for mahogani tho, not axis due to their respective sizes. robin... - So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? - - That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) - - See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your - porsche and all, you - thieving git. - - and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? - pah. - - Is there a reason? am I missing something? - - answers on a postcard please. - - many thanks. - - alex - *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* - or - *moaning dumb fool mug punter*
RE: (313) axis
Can we have a quick show of hands... who bought see / the / light... *hand goes up* although I got mine from the axis shop along with the 'alarms' and 'condor to mallorca' remixes... -Original Message- From: Matt Chester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 15:35 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) axis I'm sorry, but I see no decent excuses for this kind of pricing whatsoever, especially for a label as huge as Axis. As was the case with the Peacefrog limited editions, it's blatently just using peoples addiction to rare vinyl as an excuse for jacking the prices through the roof to make a large profit. I'm all for limited releases, but it's just cheap to charge more for them. At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about £1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about £5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. For Axis, it strikes me as pure greed - they know damn well that they will sell out every single copy, and the profit to them will be huge (percentage wise, at least). The bit about prices being forced up by the distributors is ridiculous - a label with the clout of Jeff's can easily keep their distributor to a set standard markup. It just seems like elitism - he knows people lap up everything he puts out, and can basically charge what he wants. People might complain, but they'll still shell out... Leaving less cash to support other, smaller outfits... Gr ;-) - Original Message - From: robin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: RE: (313) axis hmmm well it's these kind of things that make me grumble too. the argument that if you don't like the price don't buy it doesn't wash either (vinyl is an addiction to most around here)... so mebbe vinyl is becoming more of a niche thing (most independent stuff has runs of say 1500 if yer lucky) and this is a way of recouping the costs. if you follow that through we're looking at a new price for 12s aren't we? but won't this mean vinyl becomes more niche? the above angle only holds for mahogani tho, not axis due to their respective sizes. robin... - So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? - - That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) - - See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your - porsche and all, you - thieving git. - - and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? - pah. - - Is there a reason? am I missing something? - - answers on a postcard please. - - many thanks. - - alex - *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* - or - *moaning dumb fool mug punter*
(313) RE: clarification RE: (313) a nice email about downlow records
I agree with Kamal's thoughts then :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: clarification RE: (313) a nice email about downlow records On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:19:48 -0500, Adam Smith wrote: I second that emotion! I'm new to the list as of this week, and this is the first thread that I read and thought, time to say somethin... I agree wholeheartedly with Andrew's thoughts on Downlow. ***Please note; though I agree with that nice email about downlow records, it was Kamal Stoddard who wrote and posted that email. Kamal had posted it on the tech-house list and i simply forwarded it to the 313 and techno lists. Kamal wrote the email, I just forwarded it. Andrew Duke Minto and the boys got it together. The latest East Island vs Moderator and Convextion releases are absolutely wonderful, as is the not so recent Arne Weinberg 'Beauty in Decay' record. Rumor has it that there is a full length Convextion album coming next year hopefully. I'm patiently waiting. Happy New Year to all. Adam http://www.tranzfuse.com http://www.latenightessentials.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:06 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (313) a nice email about downlow records originally posted on the tech-house list: I've been silent on the best of 2003 list as i was trying to pick from a bunch of records that i'm not focused on right now. I'm in winter crazy mode which lends itself to more introspective sounds and feelings. so rather than try to put together a list of trax that may or may not be a true representation (I never count the number of plays, too drunk), I've decided to say something that i really feel needs to be said. I dunno 'bout 2003 but I feel Downlow records may well be one of the most consistent, as well as consistently overlooked, labels on earth. recently I posted a review (or blabber more like) about some delsin records that were recently released and that got me to thinking about good techno labels that avoid the cliches of the techno du jour and stay well into what they believe in. Downlow is one of those. and though I believe one of the label heads (minto I think) used to be on list (may still be may not) I haven't heard much about them here. Thats a shame. they've released nothing but top quality stuff by leaders in the game (famous and not) and judging by the soundbytes online for the next release the moderator vs east island they ain't slowing down. evidently these guys listen close to what buyers want as well, I've never seen them release less than 4 trax on a disc, sometimes I've seen 5 or 6 even. never got a bad pressing...yet :) and they have full song streaming soundbytes online at their site. plus they're one of the few stateside labels to hold it down for original melodic techno. got that off my chest. phew! and before anyone asks, NO I don't know the label owners personally ($tinkworx and minto), NO I am not affiliated with them in any way except musical taste. just felt that more people should give props where they're due, cuz If you won't... who will? plus most praise nowadays is just blowing sunshine so it's about time someone spoke from the heart. peace y'all. stay true. think forward. anyone got any labels that are dear to the heart/sound that they feel ain't getting proper exposure? (I'm always up for new sources of great music) this kind of topic may be well important to smaller labels in these days of faltering sales etc. so Speak Up! Kamal K. Stoddard Entech Turner Broadcasting System **Tangalimlibo had a large and beautiful ox given to her by her father. That ox was called by her own name. She took off a piece of her clothing and gave it to the ox, which ate it.** Jason Trenholm was born 31 August 1969 and died 1 January 2004. We met when we were 5 years old; he was my best friend for the next 29 years.* Andrew Duke releases out now: Take Nothing For Granted http://cognitionaudioworks.com Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org Sprung http://bip-hop.com http://warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php? cat=BLEEP12fc_type=CD *Canadian electronica album of the year nominee* More Destructive Than Organized http://staalplaat.com Highest Common Denominator http://pieheadrecords.com Physical and Mental Health http://dialrecords.com 74'02 (split with Hypo) http://tsunami-addiction.com http://cognitionaudioworks.com Jason Trenholm was born 31 August 1969 and died 1 January 2004. We met when we were 5 years old; he was my best friend for the next 29 years.* Andrew Duke releases out now: Take Nothing For Granted http://cognitionaudioworks.com Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org Sprung http://bip-hop.com
Re: (313) axis
Right, everyone made some very interesting points there. Aida, thanks for the info. I sort of half thought it would be something like that. Right, so say in the future the price of vinyl HAS to go up. I reckon pretty much everyone that buys records would be prepared to pay a little extra, just to get their vinyl - it's like Robin says, its becoming a niche market. BUT, what I can't stomach, is exactly what Tom says.. Also there's a message on the sleeve saying 'Support those who try to make a difference' - well I'd be more inclined to support him if he charged the same for his records as every other struggling independent. There's loads of little independents that bust their asses (Tom - yours is one for sure) and still put their records out for the standard price. Jesus, how come I can buy say, a strand record on delsin (wicked artist from detroit) for £5.99 or whatever. I mean, Jeff makes his own material for his label. I appreciate he has to see himself getting paid for the time he spends in the studio on whatever project he is doing, but come on. All these little independants are paying small advances to people, taking a real risk. He doesn't even have to do that. I can't for the life of me see why he has to charge extra - I just can't see it. There's no posh gatefold sleeve, the vinyl isn't better quality than any where else. And the ltd thing just isn't any sort of argument in my book at all. Hey, if you want to do something ltd, then so be it - you're going to make less money than if you sell 5000, thats just the way it is. I wonder if he maybe thinks genuinely that the punter wants a ltd record? If so, I'm pretty sure he got bad advice there. (But for the real reason, I suppose we should blame ebay and the people who bid insane amounts even for currently available releases..) Yes! deffo. Thats a real factor in especially the Mahogani records - they get snapped up as everyone knows they'll be worth more in the future. All these electronica kids who obsessively buy Moodymann, and don't even buy ANY other house or garage cos they don't like it wind me up. They even 'hate' disco. Seems backwards to me when moodymanns records are all disco. they're just jumping the bandwagon forcing prices up. and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? Yeah, they really are taking the p!ss with that... innit. this mug bought one as well. Not for the first time either. p.s Ryan - Mahogani is moodymann's label. MattFor Axis, it strikes me as pure greed - they know damn well that they will sell out every single copy, and the profit to them will be huge (percentage wise, at least). The bit about prices being forced up by the distributors is ridiculous - a label with the clout of Jeff's can easily keep their distributor to a set standard markup. It just seems like elitism - he knows people lap up everything he puts out, and can basically charge what he wants. People might complain, but they'll still shell out... Leaving less cash to support other, smaller outfits... Gr ;-) Spot on. I certainly can't see another reason. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) axis
Not me, can't afford it ;-) - Original Message - From: placid To: 'Matt Chester' ; '313 Detroit' Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: RE: (313) axis Can we have a quick show of hands... who bought see / the / light... *hand goes up* although I got mine from the axis shop along with the 'alarms' and 'condor to mallorca' remixes... -Original Message- From: Matt Chester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 15:35 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) axis I'm sorry, but I see no decent excuses for this kind of pricing whatsoever, especially for a label as huge as Axis. As was the case with the Peacefrog limited editions, it's blatently just using peoples addiction to rare vinyl as an excuse for jacking the prices through the roof to make a large profit. I'm all for limited releases, but it's just cheap to charge more for them. At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about £1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about £5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. For Axis, it strikes me as pure greed - they know damn well that they will sell out every single copy, and the profit to them will be huge (percentage wise, at least). The bit about prices being forced up by the distributors is ridiculous - a label with the clout of Jeff's can easily keep their distributor to a set standard markup. It just seems like elitism - he knows people lap up everything he puts out, and can basically charge what he wants. People might complain, but they'll still shell out... Leaving less cash to support other, smaller outfits... Gr ;-) - Original Message - From: robin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: RE: (313) axis hmmm well it's these kind of things that make me grumble too. the argument that if you don't like the price don't buy it doesn't wash either (vinyl is an addiction to most around here)... so mebbe vinyl is becoming more of a niche thing (most independent stuff has runs of say 1500 if yer lucky) and this is a way of recouping the costs. if you follow that through we're looking at a new price for 12s aren't we? but won't this mean vinyl becomes more niche? the above angle only holds for mahogani tho, not axis due to their respective sizes. robin... - So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? - - That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) - - See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your - porsche and all, you - thieving git. - - and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? - pah. - - Is there a reason? am I missing something? - - answers on a postcard please. - - many thanks. - - alex - *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* - or - *moaning dumb fool mug punter*
RE: (313) melodic techno
Nature and Pigna are putting out some hot stuff, my fav at the moment. Can't wait to get this one! Mario does amazing stuff. Quest Pond -Original Message- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 14 January 2004 3:19 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: AW: (313) melodic techno Check the new 'Raiders of the lost ARP' album on Nature. Very gentle. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Januar 2004 18:39 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: (313) melodic techno melodic techno I know someone asked the other day where is all the melodic techno now? well it just occurred to me that something I recorded this past week would probably qualify as melodic something, maybe electro more than techno? I don't know what you all consider to be the differences between the two. anyways, please listen and enjoy the following: www.emmrecords.com/~fux/fuxz__rehashed_melod33z.mp3 alternately, you can surf to www.emmrecords.com/~fux/web.php and download this audio plus anything else I'm currenly playing with... since none of its done, I encourage criticism and comments thanks, -Joe /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) axis
Ditto everything Placid said. -Original Message- From: placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 3:39 To: 'Matt Chester'; '313 Detroit' Subject: RE: (313) axis Can we have a quick show of hands... who bought see / the / light... *hand goes up* although I got mine from the axis shop along with the 'alarms' and 'condor to mallorca' remixes... -Original Message- From: Matt Chester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 15:35 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) axis I'm sorry, but I see no decent excuses for this kind of pricing whatsoever, especially for a label as huge as Axis. As was the case with the Peacefrog limited editions, it's blatently just using peoples addiction to rare vinyl as an excuse for jacking the prices through the roof to make a large profit. I'm all for limited releases, but it's just cheap to charge more for them. At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about £1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about £5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. For Axis, it strikes me as pure greed - they know damn well that they will sell out every single copy, and the profit to them will be huge (percentage wise, at least). The bit about prices being forced up by the distributors is ridiculous - a label with the clout of Jeff's can easily keep their distributor to a set standard markup. It just seems like elitism - he knows people lap up everything he puts out, and can basically charge what he wants. People might complain, but they'll still shell out... Leaving less cash to support other, smaller outfits... Gr ;-) - Original Message - From: robin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: RE: (313) axis hmmm well it's these kind of things that make me grumble too. the argument that if you don't like the price don't buy it doesn't wash either (vinyl is an addiction to most around here)... so mebbe vinyl is becoming more of a niche thing (most independent stuff has runs of say 1500 if yer lucky) and this is a way of recouping the costs. if you follow that through we're looking at a new price for 12s aren't we? but won't this mean vinyl becomes more niche? the above angle only holds for mahogani tho, not axis due to their respective sizes. robin... - So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? - - That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) - - See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your - porsche and all, you - thieving git. - - and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? - pah. - - Is there a reason? am I missing something? - - answers on a postcard please. - - many thanks. - - alex - *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* - or - *moaning dumb fool mug punter* *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
(313) FW: Acid... and lots of it
http://www.acidmixes.com/30303030303.mp3 Mid 90's European aciied I'll send a cd to anyone that can give me the track list. placid www.acid-house.net
(313) FW: Acid... and lots of it
whoops Meant to go somewhere else -Original Message- From: placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 January 2004 17:33 To: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: Acid... and lots of it http://www.acidmixes.com/30303030303.mp3 Mid 90's European aciied I'll send a cd to anyone that can give me the track list. placid www.acid-house.net
(313) Subject: Visage again again
Recently the list was talking about Frequency 7 by Visage. I have another question about another track by them - Pleasure Boys. I have it on CD on the Mantronix comp on Soul Jazz and it sounds nothing like Visage - it's like an electro mastermix with bits of Bambaata's Planet Rock and a huge chunk of Hashim's Al Naafiysh - it's very cheeky but totally unlike Visage, so I was wandering whether it was actually a mistake and was something else entirely (a fault at the pressing plant or something). Anyone know what I am talking about? I know this one - it is a bootleg re-edit that was around in the mid-80s which is made up of breaks from Hashim's Al Naafiysh and Visage's Pleasure Boys - I think at the time it was rumoured to be by Whiz Kid (as in GLOBE and...). Flipside was some slightly tedious bongo breaks if I remember rightly! If I remember rightly the label was Rated X. BTW: B52s - Mesopotamia - check the Danny Krivit re-edit from last year - massive tune! Plus there is also an excellent Shake tune which samples it (can't remember its name but its on blue vinyl and its called something like the club scams EP?) Cheers David
Re: (313) axis
[Matt Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED]] At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about ?1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about ?5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. But the man isn't trying to just break even. You're forgetting about packaging, press, etc. costs, overhead for the label (employees and such) and the fact that Jeff Mills actually wants to make a living off of this. If he sold them for cost, it wouldn't get him anywhere. That's one thing that always struck me as odd. I don't know how many times I've heard people grumble about labels or promoters making money off of music (not to say you were saying this or that Axis is charging any sort of a fair price, this is just a tangent)-- I know I even did as a punk teenager. After throwing shows and releasing records, I think it's absurd to ask people to put that much of their money at risk and to devote that much time and effort to something and only be able to barely break even, otherwise they're a sellout. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
RE: (313) axis
He's hardly putting his fortune at risk though, is he? -Original Message- From: atomly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis After throwing shows and releasing records, I think it's absurd to ask people to put that much of their money at risk and to devote that much time and effort to something and only be able to barely break even, otherwise they're a sellout. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) axis
My view is no one is making you buy it, so don't. I've no idea what Jeff's running costs are or what he needs to make back to break even but we went thru this with Peacefrog... Oh and warps bleep is now live: https://www.warprecords.com/bleep 14/1/04 5:00 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Matt Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED]] At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about ?1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about ?5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. But the man isn't trying to just break even. You're forgetting about packaging, press, etc. costs, overhead for the label (employees and such) and the fact that Jeff Mills actually wants to make a living off of this. If he sold them for cost, it wouldn't get him anywhere. That's one thing that always struck me as odd. I don't know how many times I've heard people grumble about labels or promoters making money off of music (not to say you were saying this or that Axis is charging any sort of a fair price, this is just a tangent)-- I know I even did as a punk teenager. After throwing shows and releasing records, I think it's absurd to ask people to put that much of their money at risk and to devote that much time and effort to something and only be able to barely break even, otherwise they're a sellout.
RE: (313) axis
Yes but the people buying his records, for the most part, are other musicians who want to play his music out, which in turn promotes him and helps get him gigs. Gigs are where he should concentrate on making most of his money, and that is where he probably does. Not many dj's can command 6-10K for a few hours of playing.. -Original Message- From: atomly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis [Matt Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED]] At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about ?1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about ?5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. But the man isn't trying to just break even. You're forgetting about packaging, press, etc. costs, overhead for the label (employees and such) and the fact that Jeff Mills actually wants to make a living off of this. If he sold them for cost, it wouldn't get him anywhere. That's one thing that always struck me as odd. I don't know how many times I've heard people grumble about labels or promoters making money off of music (not to say you were saying this or that Axis is charging any sort of a fair price, this is just a tangent)-- I know I even did as a punk teenager. After throwing shows and releasing records, I think it's absurd to ask people to put that much of their money at risk and to devote that much time and effort to something and only be able to barely break even, otherwise they're a sellout. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
RE: (313) axis
I don't know if it helps him get gigs (re: other musicians who want to play his music out, which in turn promotes him and helps get him gigs.) I would say that he attracts bookings pretty easily these days. -Original Message- From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 4:42 To: 'atomly'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) axis Yes but the people buying his records, for the most part, are other musicians who want to play his music out, which in turn promotes him and helps get him gigs. Gigs are where he should concentrate on making most of his money, and that is where he probably does. Not many dj's can command 6-10K for a few hours of playing.. -Original Message- From: atomly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis [Matt Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED]] At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about ?1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about ?5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. But the man isn't trying to just break even. You're forgetting about packaging, press, etc. costs, overhead for the label (employees and such) and the fact that Jeff Mills actually wants to make a living off of this. If he sold them for cost, it wouldn't get him anywhere. That's one thing that always struck me as odd. I don't know how many times I've heard people grumble about labels or promoters making money off of music (not to say you were saying this or that Axis is charging any sort of a fair price, this is just a tangent)-- I know I even did as a punk teenager. After throwing shows and releasing records, I think it's absurd to ask people to put that much of their money at risk and to devote that much time and effort to something and only be able to barely break even, otherwise they're a sellout. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ... *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
Re: (313) axis
Well, Jeff can get paid upwards of £5000 for a two hour set - I think he's doing pretty well financially. And as for making money off a label, even the biggest majors don't just jack up the price by 50% per release to make a bigger profit (though of course they DO inflate prices - and we all bitch about it). I've absolutely nothing against the man making a living off of his art - more power to him, he definitely deserves it. But there's a difference between making a living and ripping off people whilst demanding their support. I'm not accusing him of selling out, I think that's a whole different kind of attitude - I just think the pricing of this series is very greedy... - Original Message - From: atomly To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis [Matt Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED]] At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about ?1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about ?5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. But the man isn't trying to just break even. You're forgetting about packaging, press, etc. costs, overhead for the label (employees and such) and the fact that Jeff Mills actually wants to make a living off of this. If he sold them for cost, it wouldn't get him anywhere. That's one thing that always struck me as odd. I don't know how many times I've heard people grumble about labels or promoters making money off of music (not to say you were saying this or that Axis is charging any sort of a fair price, this is just a tangent)-- I know I even did as a punk teenager. After throwing shows and releasing records, I think it's absurd to ask people to put that much of their money at risk and to devote that much time and effort to something and only be able to barely break even, otherwise they're a sellout. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
(313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis
Oh and warps bleep is now live: https://www.warprecords.com/bleep This is so expensive! 0.99 a track regardless of length. So an album with lots of short tracks cost more than one of equivalent length with long tracks. I think they need to re-think their pricing system. Do you get a discount for buying a complete album? Otherwise, something like smokers delight - 17 in mp3 format?!?!? Surely it should be cheaper, there are no middle men. I suppose one advantage is you can download single tracks. hmm, think I'll stick to CDs -- Mike
RE: (313) melodic techno
At 07:52 AM 1/14/04, Quest Pond wrote: Nature and Pigna are putting out some hot stuff, my fav at the moment. Any good, reliable US distro for this stuff? Groovedis seems to be down at the moment. jeff
RE: (313) axis
I know that Kenny (Dixon Jr.) and probably Jeff give away a bunch of records to other DJs, friends, promoters, etc. so that they are probably not making quite as big a profit as it might seem on these limited pressings. I don't see that as greed but just part of the game; for the people who can afford to support this game by purchasing these releases great; for the rest of us, we have to resort to hearing the music some other way. That's life. Scott Ellis -Original Message- From: Matt Chester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:48 AM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) axis Well, Jeff can get paid upwards of £5000 for a two hour set - I think he's doing pretty well financially. And as for making money off a label, even the biggest majors don't just jack up the price by 50% per release to make a bigger profit (though of course they DO inflate prices - and we all bitch about it). I've absolutely nothing against the man making a living off of his art - more power to him, he definitely deserves it. But there's a difference between making a living and ripping off people whilst demanding their support. I'm not accusing him of selling out, I think that's a whole different kind of attitude - I just think the pricing of this series is very greedy... - Original Message - From: atomly To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis [Matt Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED]] At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about ?1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about ?5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. But the man isn't trying to just break even. You're forgetting about packaging, press, etc. costs, overhead for the label (employees and such) and the fact that Jeff Mills actually wants to make a living off of this. If he sold them for cost, it wouldn't get him anywhere. That's one thing that always struck me as odd. I don't know how many times I've heard people grumble about labels or promoters making money off of music (not to say you were saying this or that Axis is charging any sort of a fair price, this is just a tangent)-- I know I even did as a punk teenager. After throwing shows and releasing records, I think it's absurd to ask people to put that much of their money at risk and to devote that much time and effort to something and only be able to barely break even, otherwise they're a sellout. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
Re: (313) Visage again again
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, (and I can't remember who told me this, maybe it was from the list - greg earle?) but different members of the band used to produce and write different tracks, so maybe that accounts for the severe differences in sound? Maybe? T'wasn't me, no. Visage was an all-star band - 3 members of Magazine, 2 members of Ultrasheen erm... I mean Ultravox, along with ringleader Steve Strange (he of Blitz club fame) and Blitz DJ/Rich Kids drummer Rusty Egan. Perhaps that explains the ecclecticism. Visage tidbits: The album The Anvil (1982) contained Frequency 7 (Dance Mix). Never heard the (Dance Mix) version - is that the one that became famous in Detroit? How different is it than the 7 B-side version? Strangely enough, Frequency 7 doesn't appear on Fade To Grey - The Best Of Visage (1994). Guess the compilers weren't from Detroit :-) Anyone ever see Mirai Eno Butou, the 1986 Japanese LaserDisc-only video release (16 promo clips, 52 minutes long)? - Greg
Re: (313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis
Full albums can be had for £6.99 - check all the buttons out... The thing to watch is it's encode in LAME with VBR - meaning it's impossible to skip bits and they are encoded at 128 which is a bit low for my liking but it's better than nothing... Martin 14/1/04 4:54 PM Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh and warps bleep is now live: https://www.warprecords.com/bleep This is so expensive! 0.99 a track regardless of length. So an album with lots of short tracks cost more than one of equivalent length with long tracks. I think they need to re-think their pricing system. Do you get a discount for buying a complete album? Otherwise, something like smokers delight - 17 in mp3 format?!?!? Surely it should be cheaper, there are no middle men. I suppose one advantage is you can download single tracks. hmm, think I'll stick to CDs
RE: (313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis
-Original Message- From: Michael Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 16:54 Oh and warps bleep is now live: https://www.warprecords.com/bleep This is so expensive! 0.99 a track regardless of length. So an album with lots of short tracks cost more than one of equivalent length with long tracks. I think they need to re-think their pricing system. Hmmm, I'm not sure if they need to just yet... Do you get a discount for buying a complete album? Yep, it's only £6.99 for a full album and £8.99 for a double album. Otherwise things like Smokers Delight or Bytes would be exorbitantly expensive... Brendan
RE: (313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis
- - This is so expensive! 0.99 a track regardless of length. So an album - with lots of short tracks cost more than one of equivalent - length with - long tracks. I think they need to re-think their pricing system. - - Do you get a discount for buying a complete album? - Otherwise, something - like smokers delight - 17 in mp3 format?!?!? - - Surely it should be cheaper, there are no middle men. I suppose one - advantage is you can download single tracks. - - hmm, think I'll stick to CDs - or soulseek ;) or just go down to any second hand record store that specialises in electronic music and you can usually pick up old warp stuff quite easily robin...
RE: (313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis
They seem to be giving out mixed messages on the encoding side of things - in their FAQ it says Bleep MP3s are a minimum of 256kbps, while the majority of MP3s found on the internet are 128kbps. Yet they seem to contradict that in the technical queries bit. Personally I don't think they should have used VBR, but will reserve judgement until I've downloaded and listened to a couple of tracks from their site... -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 16:53 The thing to watch is it's encode in LAME with VBR - meaning it's impossible to skip bits and they are encoded at 128 which is a bit low for my liking but it's better than nothing...
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Martin wrote: Full albums can be had for 6.99 - check all the buttons out... Ah yes, thought as much. I'm just blind. Journey Home - 2.99 not bad. The thing to watch is it's encode in LAME with VBR - meaning it's impossible to skip bits and they are encoded at 128 which is a bit low for my liking but it's better than nothing... Yeah that is a bit low, perhaps they'll have alternate encodings soon? ogg wma? -Mike Martin 14/1/04 4:54 PM Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh and warps bleep is now live: https://www.warprecords.com/bleep This is so expensive! 0.99 a track regardless of length. So an album with lots of short tracks cost more than one of equivalent length with long tracks. I think they need to re-think their pricing system. Do you get a discount for buying a complete album? Otherwise, something like smokers delight - 17 in mp3 format?!?!? Surely it should be cheaper, there are no middle men. I suppose one advantage is you can download single tracks. hmm, think I'll stick to CDs
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How many others out there see themselves as grey-haired and crooked but still shopping in the record stores for some really dusty piece of vinyl while teenagers walk by and ask, what are those? as they point to a bin of 12 records? this actually happened to me, by the way, but the person who said it was a small child -my first thought was holy sh*t - it's really happened! LOL luckily my two nephews and my niece know exactly what a vinyl record is. MEK Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org K cc: Subject: (313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 10:54 AM Oh and warps bleep is now live: https://www.warprecords.com/bleep This is so expensive! 0.99 a track regardless of length. So an album with lots of short tracks cost more than one of equivalent length with long tracks. I think they need to re-think their pricing system. Do you get a discount for buying a complete album? Otherwise, something like smokers delight - 17 in mp3 format?!?!? Surely it should be cheaper, there are no middle men. I suppose one advantage is you can download single tracks. hmm, think I'll stick to CDs -- Mike
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I've absolutely nothing against the man making a living off of his art - more power to him, he definitely deserves it. But there's a difference between making a living and ripping off people whilst demanding their support. Hmm... I've never had Jeff come up to me and demand that I buy his music or support him. This statement is very confusing to me. If you're referring to this on the album: 'Support those who try to make a difference' That doesn't look like a demand to me, more of a request or a statement. And he also indicates that it's up to you, if you don't think that Jeff makes a difference, then don't support him... go ahead and support who YOU think tries to make a difference. Peace... Dave
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-- Original Message -- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recently the list was talking about Frequency 7 by Visage. I have another question about another track by them - Pleasure Boys. I have it on CD on the Mantronix comp on Soul Jazz and it sounds nothing like Visage - it's like an electro mastermix with bits of Bambaata's Planet Rock and a huge chunk of Hashim's Al Naafiysh - it's very cheeky but totally unlike Visage, so I was wandering whether it was actually a mistake and was something else entirely (a fault at the pressing plant or something). Anyone know what I am talking about? i have some polydor dance hits of the uk 12 with a francious kevorkian edit of that track on it. its a pretty heavy industrial sounding electroish type thing, ive played it out before. not bad, but not the bomb either. andythepooh.com
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14/1/04 4:57 PM Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] They seem to be giving out mixed messages on the encoding side of things - in their FAQ it says Bleep MP3s are a minimum of 256kbps, while the majority of MP3s found on the internet are 128kbps. Yet they seem to contradict that in the technical queries bit. Personally I don't think they should have used VBR, but will reserve judgement until I've downloaded and listened to a couple of tracks from their site... Yep, I'm going to check a few out - LAME is a pretty poor encoder, there's a reason it's free! And just say no to VBR... Martin
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- - How many others out there see themselves as grey-haired and - crooked but - still shopping in the record stores for some really dusty - piece of vinyl - while teenagers walk by and ask, what are those? as they - point to a bin - of 12 records? :) well this falls in with something i was just saying to alexi bet there is no-one on this list under the age of 25. (watch the deluge now to prove me wrong) - - this actually happened to me, by the way, but the person who - said it was a - small child -my first thought was holy sh*t - it's really - happened! LOL - luckily my two nephews and my niece know exactly what a - vinyl record is. kids aren't interested unless they can get the tunes as a phone ring tone no? :) (ok we've been there, no need to respond to that!) robin...
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Greg Earle wrote on Wed, 14 Jan 2004 about following: Visage tidbits: The album The Anvil (1982) contained Frequency 7 (Dance Mix). Never heard the (Dance Mix) version - is that the one that became famous in Detroit? How different is it than the 7 B-side version? haven't been following this much but.. the dance mix of frequency 7 is on this 12 : http://www.discogs.com/release/48538 sakke -- Timing must be perfect now. Two-timing must be better than perfect. http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
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-- Original Message -- From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, they really are taking the p!ss with that... but peacefrog isnt with their $30 USD private pressing tunes, eh? its funny that anyone would complain about the prices of mahogani especially considering the general price increase in trying to find a mahogani or kdj record later on down the line. tom andythepooh.com
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Visage tidbits: The album The Anvil (1982) contained Frequency 7 (Dance Mix). Never heard the (Dance Mix) version - is that the one that became famous in Detroit? How different is it than the 7 B-side version? I think it *is* the dance mix, but I have it on CD and it's buried in one of the numerous piles in my living room. The 7 has vocals, right? (I have that too, somewhere) The track without vox sounds much different/better/today without them. The vocal-less version of F7 was released on The Anvil as a bonus CD tracks and can still be found there - I think it only pops up on The Anvil CD proper and not on the double Polydor combination of Visage + The Anvil, but I could be mistaken. jeff
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Reads like a statement that UR would make on a run-groove. by the way - is there any website that lists all of UR's run-out groove statements? I've always enjoyed getting their records partly to see what they would say next. MEK David Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org thms.comcc: Subject: Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 10:29 AM I've absolutely nothing against the man making a living off of his art - more power to him, he definitely deserves it. But there's a difference between making a living and ripping off people whilst demanding their support. Hmm... I've never had Jeff come up to me and demand that I buy his music or support him. This statement is very confusing to me. If you're referring to this on the album: 'Support those who try to make a difference' That doesn't look like a demand to me, more of a request or a statement. And he also indicates that it's up to you, if you don't think that Jeff makes a difference, then don't support him... go ahead and support who YOU think tries to make a difference. Peace... Dave
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On 14-jan-04, at 17:29, David Bate wrote: If you're referring to this on the album: 'Support those who try to make a difference' That doesn't look like a demand to me, more of a request or a statement. And he also indicates that it's up to you, if you don't think that Jeff makes a difference, then don't support him... go ahead and support who YOU think tries to make a difference. Yes this is a statement, Jeff Mills invests a lot of his money back into Detroit and to help the people who need it. He is doing a lot for the community! Also keep in mind that after he drops the records at the distributors he kinda looses control about the price. A lot of shops want to cash in on limited edition Axis records because so many people want them.
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One of the reason why I also used to collect Alternative Tentacles records but that's not exactly 313 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:23 PM To: David Bate Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) axis Reads like a statement that UR would make on a run-groove. by the way - is there any website that lists all of UR's run-out groove statements? I've always enjoyed getting their records partly to see what they would say next. MEK David Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org thms.comcc: Subject: Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 10:29 AM I've absolutely nothing against the man making a living off of his art - more power to him, he definitely deserves it. But there's a difference between making a living and ripping off people whilst demanding their support. Hmm... I've never had Jeff come up to me and demand that I buy his music or support him. This statement is very confusing to me. If you're referring to this on the album: 'Support those who try to make a difference' That doesn't look like a demand to me, more of a request or a statement. And he also indicates that it's up to you, if you don't think that Jeff makes a difference, then don't support him... go ahead and support who YOU think tries to make a difference. Peace... Dave # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Yeah, they really are taking the p!ss with that... but peacefrog isnt with their $30 USD private pressing tunes, eh? Well Peacefrog are taking the p!ss as well - I've never said otherwise, have I? its funny that anyone would complain about the prices of mahogani especially considering the general price increase in trying to find a mahogani or kdj record later on down the line. I'm sceptical as to how much the prices really will increase for the latest batch of Mahogani stuff. Even stuff like the ultra-limited Private Pressing isn't going for very high amounts on eBay yet. I think most of the hardcore collectors are buying the new stuff as soon as it comes out, whereas a lot of them would have missed the early KDJ releases first time round, hence the high second-hand prices for those... But while we're on the subject I think the last couple of Mahogani releases have been pretty weak - I wouldn't mind paying full price for a one-sided 12 if the track was amazing, but the AM and Kai Alce things are pretty underwhelming IMHO...
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Would be interested to know about what is the best encoder etc... I had heard differently about Lame ??? and regarding Warp, they have a number of very old EPs for EUR2.69 - guess I'll finally be able to get those elusive early EPs... Gwendal -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:10 To: Brendan Nelson; 313 Hyperreal. Org Subject: Re: (313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis 14/1/04 4:57 PM Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] They seem to be giving out mixed messages on the encoding side of things - in their FAQ it says Bleep MP3s are a minimum of 256kbps, while the majority of MP3s found on the internet are 128kbps. Yet they seem to contradict that in the technical queries bit. Personally I don't think they should have used VBR, but will reserve judgement until I've downloaded and listened to a couple of tracks from their site... Yep, I'm going to check a few out - LAME is a pretty poor encoder, there's a reason it's free! And just say no to VBR... Martin
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- Original Message -- From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) well this falls in with something i was just saying to alexi bet there is no-one on this list under the age of 25. (watch the deluge now to prove me wrong) im only 24 ; ) tom andythepooh.com andythepooh.com
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I wouldn't mind paying full price for a one-sided 12 if the track was amazing, but the AM and Kai Alce things are pretty underwhelming IMHO... totally agree with that, even if i like the a.m.-track choose to believe [choose to blend mix], which I downloaded today, but which isn't on that mahogany 12. any ideas how to get that? promo?
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And I'm only 17! ;) -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:42 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) (eccentric old codger with) warprecords - Original Message -- From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) well this falls in with something i was just saying to alexi bet there is no-one on this list under the age of 25. (watch the deluge now to prove me wrong) im only 24 ; ) tom andythepooh.com andythepooh.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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At 12:09 PM 1/14/2004, Martin wrote: Yep, I'm going to check a few out - LAME is a pretty poor encoder, there's a reason it's free! And just say no to VBR... LAME is extremely tweakable. It's very easy to get lousy encoding out of it. The reason it's free is ideological. The xing encoder costs money and is much worse. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.dirty.org/~mkb Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Technologies, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-- Original Message -- From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well Peacefrog are taking the p!ss as well - I've never said otherwise, have I? perhaps not, but the uk squad on the list are generally the ones irritated at the high prices here. the peacefrog prices were crazy no matter what country you were in, but they was still defended. in the US the mahogani costs about $1 more than other 12s. knowing how limited these things tend to be it seems silly to worry about $1 now when its out as opposed to potentially much money later on if i decide i want it. I'm sceptical as to how much the prices really will increase for the latest batch of Mahogani stuff. Even stuff like the ultra-limited Private Pressing isn't going for very high amounts on eBay yet. I think most of the hardcore collectors are buying the new stuff as soon as it comes out, whereas a lot of them would have missed the early KDJ releases first time round, hence the high second-hand prices for those... the first mahogani was already going for mad loot. the andres one is pretty impossible to find already, i wouldnt be suprised to see that one going up like mad sometime soon. But while we're on the subject I think the last couple of Mahogani releases have been pretty weak - I wouldn't mind paying full price for a one-sided 12 if the track was amazing, but the AM and Kai Alce things are pretty underwhelming IMHO... well i cant disagree with you more on the AM. thats gotta be one of the hottest house tracks of the past few years and certainly one of alton miller's best efforts. the kai alce isnt the greatest record ive ever heard, but i like it and it got people moving when i played it out. i dont mind paying extra for stuff that i like, and im a picky guy when it comes to house music. if anyone has my confidence, its kdj. pretty much everything the guy chooses to put out by other people is good. tom andythepooh.com
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Cheers for the info greg. Never heard the (Dance Mix) version I think that maybe the one you know. But, i only have this version, so I'm not too sure. this is the version that is on the UK 12. Is there another version - do you know? Anyone ever see Mirai Eno Butou, the 1986 Japanese LaserDisc-only video release (16 promo clips, 52 minutes long)? heh, no! Japanese laser disc only? ha ha, thats some rare s**t!!! p.s. T'wasn't teehee, you a UK northener in disguise?? alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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At 09:50 AM 1/14/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cheers for the info greg. Never heard the (Dance Mix) version I think that maybe the one you know. But, i only have this version, so I'm not too sure. this is the version that is on the UK 12. Is there another version - do you know? The version on the B side of Tar has vocals and sounds quite different because of it. jeff
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Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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and there's a series of albums, both classic and recent ones, sold in pack of two or four on the website... Gwendal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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perhaps not, but the uk squad on the list are generally the ones irritated at the high prices here. the peacefrog prices were crazy no matter what country you were in, but they was still defended. in the US the mahogani costs about $1 more than other 12s. knowing how limited these things tend to be it seems silly to worry about $1 now when its out as opposed to potentially much money later on if i decide i want it. It's not the price so much as the fact that there's not much music on the record - Mahigani releases are priced the same as normal US imports here but spending £8 on one short, average track isn't something all of us are happy to do unless the track is really amazing... the first mahogani was already going for mad loot. the andres one is pretty impossible to find already, i wouldnt be suprised to see that one going up like mad sometime soon. Well, they're both in stock and available to buy at Rush Hour, for example - none of the stuff seems too hard to track down yet... well i cant disagree with you more on the AM. thats gotta be one of the hottest house tracks of the past few years... Fair enough - I thought it was stunningly average - but each to their own... ...the kai alce isnt the greatest record ive ever heard, but i like it and it got people moving when i played it out. i dont mind paying extra for stuff that i like, and im a picky guy when it comes to house music. if anyone has my confidence, its kdj. pretty much everything the guy chooses to put out by other people is good. Here's a hypotherical question - would you have bought the Kai Alce record if it had been released on a label other than Mahogani? What if it was an import from Europe on a label you'd never heard of, with no association to KDJ whatsoever? I'm just curious as to what extent the fact that it has KDJ's blessing would influence your decision to buy a record. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big KDJ fan too - I'm just not prepared to buy records which sound average just because they're on his label. If you genuinely like the record and would have bought it regardless then fine, I'm not challenging you - just curious... Tom
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-- Original Message -- From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's not the price so much as the fact that there's not much music on the record - Mahigani releases are priced the same as normal US imports here but spending £8 on one short, average track isn't something all of us are happy to do unless the track is really amazing... i suppose that is true. its not very often that i buy a record where im definitely going to listen to or play more than one or two tracks anyway, so cutting out filler doesnt necessarily bother me. Well, they're both in stock and available to buy at Rush Hour, for example - none of the stuff seems too hard to track down yet... didnt look on rush hour, but i know i havent seen the andres anywhere on distro lists in the US since the week it came out. id actually like to have another copy of that one. well i cant disagree with you more on the AM. thats gotta be one of the hottest house tracks of the past few years... Fair enough - I thought it was stunningly average - but each to their own... even hiphop deejays i know dig that track. the NYC house squad in pgh who normally play mostly blaze/maw/etc type stuff even dig that one. Here's a hypotherical question - would you have bought the Kai Alce record if it had been released on a label other than Mahogani? well i already had his late night essentials and track mode releases. those are the only 2 releases he had previous to this according to discogs, and while hes not a buy on sight producer in my book, i do have every record by him that ive heard. so yeah i probably would have picked it up. What if it was an import from Europe on a label you'd never heard of, with no association to KDJ whatsoever? I'm just curious as to what extent the fact that it has KDJ's blessing would influence your decision to buy a record. considering the fact that i get my records for cost from working at a shop, id have probably picked it up no matter what as even imports are relatively cheap for me. if i had to pay full price, i cant guarantee what id do. im getting so used to getting domestics at cost that paying $11 for a single reguardless of how many tracks are on it seems almost silly. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big KDJ fan too - I'm just not prepared to buy records which sound average just because they're on his label. If you genuinely like the record and would have bought it regardless then fine, I'm not challenging you - just curious... im not taking it as a knock. i would say that i am definitely much more likely to pick up something associated with KDJ or theo parrish or rick wilhite if its just an average record. like i said, im pretty picky so i dont have too many filler records laying around. with the infrequency that those guys put out other peoples' stuff, id rather just pick it up and support them because they almost always put out much more excellent material than average. tom andythepooh.com
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by your argument- if the people who buy his records buy them to play them out, then they are making $$$ off of his records, so should rightfully pay more. Kinda the same when telephone rates are higher during the day because it's businesses making the calls. the fact that the djs don't make as much money as jeff is utterly irrelevant. i don't think that there are too many privately owned stores that make as much money as the p hone company. having said all that, i don't think anyone on this list is unaware of the fact that im quite critical of mr. mills. my main problem ultimately stems from the fact that he seems to live in an egotistical bubble that manifest itself in everything from distorting a club system to overcharging for a record. But as i read this thread- I'm honestly starting to feel that my frustration shouldn't be directed at Jeff, but rather at the sheep who continue to worship at his feet, regardless of how poorly he treats them. What really messes with my head are the people who talk about Axis as an entity separate from Jeff himself, as if there's some shady management character taking their money without jeffs approval... wait, nobody's taking anything. people just give their money. We live in a capitalist society where everyone has the choice on what to buy and not to buy. Axis is not a pharmacutical company. Nor do they sell milk, tampons or other essentials. If anyone cries abot their vinyl 'addiction', prepare for the proverbial smackdown of a lifetime. =P you don't like it? don't buy it? you want it? then cough up the cash. you wanna call jeff out on being a hypocrit for making asinine statements on the back of his records (HE ALWAYS MAKES ASININ STATEMENTS ON THE BACK OF HIS RECORDS!), just ask yourself... Jeff Mills is playing at Lost and the price is $40. Your brother's friends who gave you a really good mix tape a few months back is playing at a local pup for $5 on the same night. Where are you gonna go Jeff...I forgive you, you playa Get paid my man! On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Grammenos, Peter wrote: Yes but the people buying his records, for the most part, are other musicians who want to play his music out, which in turn promotes him and helps get him gigs. Gigs are where he should concentrate on making most of his money, and that is where he probably does. Not many dj's can command 6-10K for a few hours of playing.. -Original Message- From: atomly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis [Matt Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED]] At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about ?1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about ?5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. But the man isn't trying to just break even. You're forgetting about packaging, press, etc. costs, overhead for the label (employees and such) and the fact that Jeff Mills actually wants to make a living off of this. If he sold them for cost, it wouldn't get him anywhere. That's one thing that always struck me as odd. I don't know how many times I've heard people grumble about labels or promoters making money off of music (not to say you were saying this or that Axis is charging any sort of a fair price, this is just a tangent)-- I know I even did as a punk teenager. After throwing shows and releasing records, I think it's absurd to ask people to put that much of their money at risk and to devote that much time and effort to something and only be able to barely break even, otherwise they're a sellout. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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£9.99 at Rub A Dub :) On 14 Jan 2004, at 14:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your porsche and all, you thieving git. double :) Jason
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We were told 2000 copies per title too. cheers Jason On 14 Jan 2004, at 14:57, Rebelbass/bookings wrote: oyes, and one shopowner told us that there were only 1000 copys worldwide.. I think he saw another kind of light... ;) Mahogani What is this, Alex?? I agree, the prices are pretty steep. They were approx £8 a go, a month ago - the price is increasing steadily. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 2:48 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) axis So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your porsche and all, you thieving git. and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? pah. Is there a reason? am I missing something? answers on a postcard please. many thanks. alex *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* or *moaning dumb fool mug punter* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring ** * Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ** *
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well spoken! - Original Message - From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis Yeah, they really are taking the p!ss with that... but peacefrog isnt with their $30 USD private pressing tunes, eh? Well Peacefrog are taking the p!ss as well - I've never said otherwise, have I? its funny that anyone would complain about the prices of mahogani especially considering the general price increase in trying to find a mahogani or kdj record later on down the line. I'm sceptical as to how much the prices really will increase for the latest batch of Mahogani stuff. Even stuff like the ultra-limited Private Pressing isn't going for very high amounts on eBay yet. I think most of the hardcore collectors are buying the new stuff as soon as it comes out, whereas a lot of them would have missed the early KDJ releases first time round, hence the high second-hand prices for those... But while we're on the subject I think the last couple of Mahogani releases have been pretty weak - I wouldn't mind paying full price for a one-sided 12 if the track was amazing, but the AM and Kai Alce things are pretty underwhelming IMHO...
Re: (313) axis
[kj at technotourist dot org [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes this is a statement, Jeff Mills invests a lot of his money back into Detroit and to help the people who need it. He is doing a lot for the community! He sure hasn't done much for Chicago, having lived here for years. I see him hang out at the bar when Derrick May or Cisco Ferreira plays here and that's about it. The man could singlehandedly redefine the American techno scene but won't because he's too full of himself to care. Also keep in mind that after he drops the records at the distributors he kinda looses control about the price. A lot of shops want to cash in on limited edition Axis records because so many people want them. No he doesn't. If he cared, he could certainly tell distributors that if they charge too much, he'll switch to another. He most definitely has the clout and the sales draw to do that. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
Re: (313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis
[Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yep, I'm going to check a few out - LAME is a pretty poor encoder, there's a reason it's free! What the hell are you talking about? Could you try to back that up for me? -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
Re: (313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis
Troll [Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yep, I'm going to check a few out - LAME is a pretty poor encoder, there's a reason it's free! What the hell are you talking about? Could you try to back that up for me? -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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right right! dischord anyone? No he doesn't. If he cared, he could certainly tell distributors that if they charge too much, he'll switch to another. He most definitely has the clout and the sales draw to do that. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
Re: (313) axis
The man could singlehandedly redefine the American techno scene but won't because he's too full of himself to care. slow down jr. i understand your love/concern/hurt/pain whatever, but damn man...this is a friggin genre of music...there are way more important things to invest time in philantropically and plus...he's not 'from' chicago...he doesn't 'owe' anybody anything except more good music maybe... chill the f**k out | |b)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] slow down jr. i understand your love/concern/hurt/pain whatever, but damn man...this is a friggin genre of music...there are way more important things to invest time in philantropically and plus...he's not 'from' chicago...he doesn't 'owe' anybody anything except more good music maybe... chill the f**k out I never said he owned anybody anything, just that he takes a lot from the scene and gives nothing back, therefore I choose not to support him. You can make whatever choice you want, as long as that choice is not to call me junior. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
Re: (313) axis
On 14-jan-04, at 22:53, atomly wrote: i understand your love/concern/hurt/pain whatever, but damn man...this is a friggin genre of music...there are way more important things to invest time in philantropically and plus...he's not 'from' chicago...he doesn't 'owe' anybody anything except more good music maybe... chill the f**k out I never said he owned anybody anything, just that he takes a lot from the scene and gives nothing back, therefore I choose not to support him. You can make whatever choice you want, as long as that choice is not to call me junior. I don't know what makes you think that Jeff Mills never gives something back? I have heard from very reliable people that he give a lot of money to people who need it, he just does not do it for us all to see... kj
Re: (313) axis
well spoken! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: (313) axis So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your porsche and all, you thieving git. and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? pah. Is there a reason? am I missing something? answers on a postcard please. many thanks. alex *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* or *moaning dumb fool mug punter* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) axis
well spoken! - Original Message - From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:19 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? It's ridiculous isn't it? Supposedly it's because they're limited to 2000 copies. But going by that logic, I could sell Emoticon stuff for £20 because they're limited to 500 copies! Also there's a message on the sleeve saying 'Support those who try to make a difference' - well I'd be more inclined to support him if he charged the same for his records as every other struggling independent. and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? Yeah, they really are taking the p!ss with that...
Re: (313) Raiders Of The Lost ARP Re: melodic techno
oh yes, a lovely twelve inch! indeed very good there's more dynarec material coming through Nature be prepared - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: (313) Raiders Of The Lost ARP Re: melodic techno On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:19:21 +0100, Katrin Richter wrote: Check the new 'Raiders of the lost ARP' album on Nature. Very gentle. ***I'll second this. I just did up a top ten to be published in Coda (France) and this was included. The album is simply entitled 4. Great stuff. Andrew Duke -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Januar 2004 18:39 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: (313) melodic techno melodic techno I know someone asked the other day where is all the melodic techno now? well it just occurred to me that something I recorded this past week would probably qualify as melodic something, maybe electro more than techno? I don't know what you all consider to be the differences between the two. anyways, please listen and enjoy the following: www.emmrecords.com/~fux/fuxz__rehashed_melod33z.mp3 alternately, you can surf to www.emmrecords.com/~fux/web.php and download this audio plus anything else I'm currenly playing with... since none of its done, I encourage criticism and comments thanks, -Joe /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Trenholm was born 31 August 1969 and died 1 January 2004. We met when we were 5 years old; he was my best friend for the next 29 years.* Andrew Duke releases out now: Take Nothing For Granted http://cognitionaudioworks.com Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org Sprung http://bip-hop.com http://warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php? cat=BLEEP12fc_type=CD *Canadian electronica album of the year nominee* More Destructive Than Organized http://staalplaat.com Highest Common Denominator http://pieheadrecords.com Physical and Mental Health http://dialrecords.com 74'02 (split with Hypo) http://tsunami-addiction.com http://cognitionaudioworks.com
Re: (313) axis
hands stay very low same for all ugly edits - those are even worse, average re-edits of old tracks so i had a good laugh about the uk-bootleg bootlegging a bootleg so to say - Original Message - From: placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Matt Chester' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '313 Detroit' 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: RE: (313) axis Can we have a quick show of hands... who bought see / the / light... *hand goes up* although I got mine from the axis shop along with the 'alarms' and 'condor to mallorca' remixes... -Original Message- From: Matt Chester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 15:35 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) axis I'm sorry, but I see no decent excuses for this kind of pricing whatsoever, especially for a label as huge as Axis. As was the case with the Peacefrog limited editions, it's blatently just using peoples addiction to rare vinyl as an excuse for jacking the prices through the roof to make a large profit. I'm all for limited releases, but it's just cheap to charge more for them. At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about £1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about £5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. For Axis, it strikes me as pure greed - they know damn well that they will sell out every single copy, and the profit to them will be huge (percentage wise, at least). The bit about prices being forced up by the distributors is ridiculous - a label with the clout of Jeff's can easily keep their distributor to a set standard markup. It just seems like elitism - he knows people lap up everything he puts out, and can basically charge what he wants. People might complain, but they'll still shell out... Leaving less cash to support other, smaller outfits... Gr ;-) - Original Message - From: robin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: RE: (313) axis hmmm well it's these kind of things that make me grumble too. the argument that if you don't like the price don't buy it doesn't wash either (vinyl is an addiction to most around here)... so mebbe vinyl is becoming more of a niche thing (most independent stuff has runs of say 1500 if yer lucky) and this is a way of recouping the costs. if you follow that through we're looking at a new price for 12s aren't we? but won't this mean vinyl becomes more niche? the above angle only holds for mahogani tho, not axis due to their respective sizes. robin... - So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? - - That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) - - See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your - porsche and all, you - thieving git. - - and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? - pah. - - Is there a reason? am I missing something? - - answers on a postcard please. - - many thanks. - - alex - *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* - or - *moaning dumb fool mug punter*
Re: (313) axis
just that he takes a lot from the scene and gives nothing back, I agree - all those Jeff Mills records I and thousands of other people own and enjoy in our living rooms - not to mention all of us who use his records to make other people dance, plus the fantastic DJ sets we've experienced, and his and Robert Hoods practical invention of the minimal techno style don't amount to much. We've been duped. I think Jeff Mills owes us all a personal apology for robbing us all these years of a lot - whatever that a lot may be. MEK
(313) kraftwerk at coachella?
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Re: (313) axis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree - all those Jeff Mills records I and thousands of other people own and enjoy in our living rooms - not to mention all of us who use his records to make other people dance, plus the fantastic DJ sets we've experienced, and his and Robert Hoods practical invention of the minimal techno style don't amount to much. We've been duped. I think Jeff Mills owes us all a personal apology for robbing us all these years of a lot - whatever that a lot may be. Well isn't that a pompous response? Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for years. You may remember that he reluctantly agreed to play a show in Detroit in 2000 after not performing there for years, even though he's from there, and then cancelled it because it didn't sell enough tickets. The event finally happened years later, but not until after he had acted like a total prima donna. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. You may disagree with me, and that's fine, but that's how I feel and that influences how and where I spend my money. I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States. It's like he took what he needed from Detroit/Chicago and then just turned his back on them. It's not like he invented techno, despite what some of you may think, but rather was introduced to a fertile art scene and is not acting to maintain that scene at all but instead is essentially plundering and pilfering whatever he can from the apparently willing fans. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
(313) Re: mp3 warprecords - was Re: (313) axis
Hi, how rude are you! Back it up, well LAME is a piece of reversed engineered code that is open source and while it does the job for most iPod users, there's no way it's up to proffessional standards and as for the back up, well, 15yrs in the games industry and the last twenty sitting behind 250,000K+ worth of kit every single day making music, graphics, movies, endcoding and editing everything from Who Wants To Be A Millionaire (60 strong crew) to doing videos for small bands, shut the door on the way out fella. Martin Dust - Original Message - From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis [Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yep, I'm going to check a few out - LAME is a pretty poor encoder, there's a reason it's free! What the hell are you talking about? Could you try to back that up for me? -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
(313) critical questions (was axis/mahogani prices)
tom churchill wrote: Here's a hypotherical question - would you have bought the Kai Alce record if it had been released on a label other than Mahogani? What if it was an import from Europe on a label you'd never heard of, with no association to KDJ whatsoever? I'm just curious as to what extent the fact that it has KDJ's blessing would influence your decision to buy a record. this is a question i ask myself so many times. then again, i always question everything... curious to know if there are many others that have the same 'doubts'? with me it works in many ways: 'do i like this record because it's by ?'; 'do i not like this record, because it's not what i expected (based on reviews/label/artist)?'; 'would i like this record if the name on the label would be ...?'; 'do i like this record because everyone i know says it's good?' jurren _ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/
Re: (313) Re: mp3 warprecords - was Re: (313) axis
What I'm saying is it's ok for iPod stuff, it doesn't follow the mp3 encoding laws of practice, which is why I don't use it, but I also know not everyone has access to the kit we use, maybe I should post a load of info up for you guys as we have done a load of research on each and ever app. Just don't like rude mail is all. Martin Dust - Original Message - From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:55 PM Subject: RE: (313) Re: mp3 warprecords - was Re: (313) axis taking this off list - if Lame isn't good (you know more than me on the subject), what would be better ? good old 192k Fraunhoffer ? Gwendal -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 22:55 To: atomly; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: mp3 warprecords - was Re: (313) axis Hi, how rude are you! Back it up, well LAME is a piece of reversed engineered code that is open source and while it does the job for most iPod users, there's no way it's up to proffessional standards and as for the back up, well, 15yrs in the games industry and the last twenty sitting behind 250,000K+ worth of kit every single day making music, graphics, movies, endcoding and editing everything from Who Wants To Be A Millionaire (60 strong crew) to doing videos for small bands, shut the door on the way out fella. Martin Dust - Original Message - From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis [Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yep, I'm going to check a few out - LAME is a pretty poor encoder, there's a reason it's free! What the hell are you talking about? Could you try to back that up for me? -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
Re: (313) (eccentric old codger with) warprecords
i feel like eleven - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: RE: (313) (eccentric old codger with) warprecords - Original Message -- From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) well this falls in with something i was just saying to alexi bet there is no-one on this list under the age of 25. (watch the deluge now to prove me wrong) im only 24 ; ) tom andythepooh.com andythepooh.com
(313) Re: mp3 warprecords - was Re: (313) axis
At 04:54 PM 1/14/2004, Martin wrote: while it does the job for most iPod users, there's no way it's up to proffessional standards Who's buying music off the Internet the most? iPod users! I have a hard time believing any professionals use MP3 on a regular basis if they have 250 million (as you say) to spend on kit. Might that include lots of big hard drives? -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.dirty.org/~mkb Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Technologies, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
