Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading XM firmware with NSM, Rockets and NanoBridges. For anything newer, like the NanoBeams we have been using the XW firmware. I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in some of my rocket APs since we did these software upgrades. I don't have any PowerBridges in service anymore, so I can't speak for those. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved. On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
No. Different architecture.
Think compiled for Arm vs x86 Windows.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 4, 2015 11:05 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the XM versus XW was just a hardware thing. Is it possible to
update a device that is on XM with XW?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:03 AM, Vince West wrote:
I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading XM firmware with
NSM, Rockets and NanoBridges. For anything newer, like the NanoBeams we
have been using the XW firmware.
I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in some of my
rocket APs since we did these software upgrades. I don't have any
PowerBridges in service anymore, so I can't speak for those.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that
mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem
until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to
a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on
that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP
at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings.
After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a
PowerBeam. Problem solved.
On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware
connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far.
Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
And I’m not seeing the problem where I have XW clients talking to XM Rockets.
Now that I think about it, I had the Powerbeam as the station and the
PowerBridge as the AP. Dang, should have flipped that and retested. The thing
that caught me off guard is that this has been working for several months, no
issues. It just randomly went weird.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
No. Different architecture.
Think compiled for Arm vs x86 Windows.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 4, 2015 11:05 AM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the XM versus XW was just a hardware thing. Is it possible to update
a device that is on XM with XW?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:03 AM, Vince West wrote:
I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading XM firmware with NSM,
Rockets and NanoBridges. For anything newer, like the NanoBeams we have been
using the XW firmware.
I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in some of my rocket APs
since we did these software upgrades. I don't have any PowerBridges in service
anymore, so I can't speak for those.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232tel:1-888-364-4232
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing
firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until
about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a
PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end.
It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end
started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding
nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem
solved.
On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware
connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far.
Rory
Re: [AFMUG] New Satellite Canopy radio
not mine...I haven't done any Canopy installs in over 5 years... Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Tighten that jpole, put some umph into it!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 4, 2015 10:05 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: Nah...ET can make it with an old record player and an umbrella. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, E.T. needs internet too! -Ty On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Guess winds yesterday got this one. In background is Ranger Peak.. will be installing gear up there Friday Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] New Satellite Canopy radio
?and a bunch of self taps!!! and baling wire! From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Satellite Canopy radio Tighten that jpole, put some umph into it!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 4, 2015 10:05 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.commailto:cc...@wispmon.com wrote: Nah...ET can make it with an old record player and an umbrella. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.commailto:tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, E.T. needs internet too! -Ty On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Guess winds yesterday got this one. In background is Ranger Peak.. will be installing gear up there Friday Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
That's what I thought. The way some people were talking about it, it
sounded like I misunderstood.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:08 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Yeah XM devices need XM firmware, XW devices need XW. Different hardware.
-Ty
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
No. Different architecture.
Think compiled for Arm vs x86 Windows.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 4, 2015 11:05 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the XM versus XW was just a hardware thing. Is it
possible to update a device that is on XM with XW?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:03 AM, Vince West wrote:
I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading XM
firmware with NSM, Rockets and NanoBridges. For anything
newer, like the NanoBeams we have been using the XW firmware.
I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in some
of my rocket APs since we did these software upgrades. I
don't have any PowerBridges in service anymore, so I can't
speak for those.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232 tel:1-888-364-4232
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway
r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
I know that was some discussion on this and some people
said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with
5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week
ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to
a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using
NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for
several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started
pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings.
After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and
replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved.
On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some
with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so
far.
Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
What sort of problems were you seeing with WDS on Nanobeams? Was it
Nanobeams on both ends? I know you've posted about it before, but I don't
remember what exactly the issue was.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
I've found that Nanobeams have problems with WDS. I tried 5.5.9 and maybe
5.5.10? I emailed Ubnt but it never got anywhere. Ended with putting up
MT radios.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
And I’m not seeing the problem where I have XW clients talking to XM
Rockets. Now that I think about it, I had the Powerbeam as the station and
the PowerBridge as the AP. Dang, should have flipped that and retested.
The thing that caught me off guard is that this has been working for
several months, no issues. It just randomly went weird.
Rory
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:07 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
No. Different architecture.
Think compiled for Arm vs x86 Windows.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 4, 2015 11:05 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the XM versus XW was just a hardware thing. Is it possible to
update a device that is on XM with XW?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:03 AM, Vince West wrote:
I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading XM firmware
with NSM, Rockets and NanoBridges. For anything newer, like the NanoBeams
we have been using the XW firmware.
I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in some of my rocket
APs since we did these software upgrades. I don't have any PowerBridges in
service anymore, so I can't speak for those.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing
firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until
about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a
PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that
end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at
the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings.
After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a
PowerBeam. Problem solved.
On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware
connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far.
Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
Going to install our first NanoBeam to NanoBeam link on Friday at seven mileslets see how well they work. on bench they did great. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved. On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] About $12k
Quite not the case. Ever price typical LTE? And our licenses you own once first bought, with no annual renewals. Thought there was an annual license fee to get firmware updates etc? Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k The sauce better be really really good with all of those licenses. Seems like u have a license for just about everything ? :) On Mar 3, 2015 8:20 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is there frequency re-use with a 3 BTS setup? If there is re-use, what's the penalty? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: 3x 65s for 360* coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:07:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Is there a 90 degree sector or are you using 65 degree sectors in a 4 BTS cluster? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Only 2 models, the 3.65 (actually 3.4-3.7) COMPACT 1000 or the 2.x (2.3 and 2.5) COMPACT 3000. I included the 3.65 version. The 2.5 is all the same, save for the BTS price, which is about $5k higher (but 40 dBm per port and 43 pounds of brute power, compared to the 18 pound COMPACT 1000) Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Which base station are you quoting, and what are the basic differences between the models? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Think of all the EPC options (and there are 3 forms) as shells: 1 is an shell embedded as a piece of software inside EACH BTS...a total one box solution (we can do that since we are a SDR). 1 is a shell that's a small (1/2U) appliance supporting up to 10k subs and 2 gigs. These are stackable and with our NPV option is infinitely stackable. Into each shell option you plug in ONLY the functionality you need: Connecting to an external Radius? Buy that module. Don't need to? Don't get it. If not above, then doing MAC level authentication instead? Buy the iHSSS module. PCRF module. Doing service flows and dedicated bearers? Get that. Don't, then don't. Need Layer 2, get that. Don't? Dont. These modules are in price relative to the version of EPC (baby, momma or papa bear size). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Never mind, I see that now. How much is the 50 user license? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is the 50 user limit just a guideline or a software limitation? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: One BTS, included embedded EPC with MAC level authentication (cheapest option) supporting up to 50 clients. Antenna could be swapped for any other. NOTE: this exclude any NMS pieces, but you could just connect over Telnet or direct connect. This would be the BAREST of bones, but there it is. That's still LTE and about 100 Mbps with killer NLOS. Includes: 735270 CMP.XT-BS-3.4-3.7 1 715773 LTE COMPACT SW License 1 700258 BMAX-4M-GPS 1 300736 ANT 3.3-3.8GHz,18 dBi, 65deg, 4ports (RF cables NOT included) 1 715620 BreezeWay-1010-50 (per Compact HW license) 1 715621 BreezeWay-1010-iHSS-50 (50 subs. license) 1 SLA 1 Year SLA 1 Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback No, could be much less. Give me a minute... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Probably 20k to start. Quality over quantity. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 3, 2015 8:56 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Patrick, I haven't had time to read through all this emails. Can you summarize what the lowest cost get up and running on a tower is so I can consider this further along with cost per sub? Thanks, John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 8:41pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback
On list could be educational for the rest of us. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Who's you guys? I didn't work here when these decisions were made. :) Some day maybe you can fill me in on what's been done wrong. On or off list is fine. Once again, your deployment is non standard Adam. The way your sectors are configured the NLOS won't rock your world. We've all known that for a long time; that was the choice you guys made. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback There are also various ways to measure working. The way WiMax works NLOS does not rock my world. I hope LTE does. Population density is very low in some rural areas. New construction has been pretty much nada, with the housing bust and wind farms, no new subdivisions, no farmettes. The only houses are where farmhouses or 1 room schoolhouses used to stand. Then factor in you just can’t achieve 100% market share. No matter how good your service and price, some of the available subscribers will instead go with WISP competitors, DSL, satellite, mobile hotspot, or “I don’t need one of those newfangled computer thingies”. So sometimes you’re doing good to get 15 subs. Of course if you can double your range, you may quadruple the available market. Someone on the list posted a few days back about not going through granite. I assume even LTE can’t do that however. From: Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Alvarion did that. I admit, I'm not a fan of capping Glen. It is a gimmick. The hardware is what it is, and this hardware is expensive. 30dBm per port. 4 tx/4rx. Power is expensive. The highest quality DSPs on the market. not consumer grade stuff with the sensitivity of your in home Wi-Fi router. We build our own phy from the ground up too, our own ATPC algorithms too. On the software, we do that though -- enabling modularity and scale as you need to. I think I need to do a dedicated webinar to this community to walk you guys (or those inclined) through it (any takers?). I do not think we can be a solution that makes sense where you only have 15 clients. That's the blunt truth. Unless you are doing 50 Mbps customers, I am not your micropop (but I can do that in some modest scale). That said, I wonder where that 15 number comes from? Can you please explain on what architecture that is based? Range? Height? Etc. If it is based on a micropop and even then on what just that pop can see, I'd say that's likely a model invented out of necessity due to the poor performance of the system you are using. I had a guy on a call today. He zoomed me in on Google Earth to his NLOS area. Farmland with wind breaks and shade trees for the homes. He is at 400' and can't connect squat behind those breaks. In my world, that's LOS all the way, even at 150 ft. It is total garbage that so many systems to can't deal with that and you've all been fed that that is normal. It is not. It is just gear with terrible specs where the only RD is at the software level, and even that is scant. You do not have NLOS problems. You have equipment problems. How such a product ever was allowed to go to market as a solution for rural broadband is, to me, cynical and reflective of playing a market to skim opportunistic dollars from a market segment that sometimes seems to embrace abuse. Sort of like the poor 700 MHz owners who got sucked in to buying 20 year old Marconi WipLL repackaged as a 700 MHz solution because all there was to buy. Then vendors do that crap and THEN, THEN tell you there's no backward compatibility when they come out with something new? WISPs. Sometimes you guys drive me nuts. You are like cheerleaders that love to date the quarterbacks who abuse you. That is like selling a car that falls apart once you leave residential streets. None of you should ever have accepted these golf carts to run your fleets. Sometimes, cheap is just cheap. Boy, I'm gonna hear it from my vendor peers, but this ain't a game or just a job for me. I damn sure hope it ain't that for you either. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Sort of off topic, but what would be the smallest AP we could get? I'm thinking about using this system on a few of my towers to make
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
I should have been more clear on that one. We don't have any new rockets deployed. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: New Rockets are XW Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 4, 2015 11:03 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading XM firmware with NSM, Rockets and NanoBridges. For anything newer, like the NanoBeams we have been using the XW firmware. I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in some of my rocket APs since we did these software upgrades. I don't have any PowerBridges in service anymore, so I can't speak for those. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved. On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
Only issue I have had with the new hardware is three cases now of Nanobeam M2s connected to RocketM2 APs. Once was too hot and performed like crap even when intentionally mis-aligned to reduce signal. The other two were both connected to a sector and when I switched the sector from 10mhz channel to 20mhz channel their uplink rate would drop and stick at 1mbps. This would all but kill the connection. Granted these two were both nLOS and marginal to begin with but that was weird. Replacing them with NB2G-18s solved the issue. The first hot one was swapped to a NSM2 and solved the issue. Tried multiple firmware version combinations first. -Ty On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Going to install our first NanoBeam to NanoBeam link on Friday at seven mileslets see how well they work. on bench they did great. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved. On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
Always listen to the manufacturer. I don't anyone has ever come up with a case where their figure was noticeably off. Certainly never not on the side of caution. Are you using their full tx power or the tx power of the highest modulation? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
I thought the XM versus XW was just a hardware thing. Is it possible to
update a device that is on XM with XW?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:03 AM, Vince West wrote:
I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading XM firmware
with NSM, Rockets and NanoBridges. For anything newer, like the
NanoBeams we have been using the XW firmware.
I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in some of my
rocket APs since we did these software upgrades. I don't have any
PowerBridges in service anymore, so I can't speak for those.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that
mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen
the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a
Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another
PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great
for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing
through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding
nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a
PowerBeam. Problem solved.
On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW
firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far.
Rory
[AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
I noticed that, good thing you caught it =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote: (+/- 2.0 db)! *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Hardy, Tim *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question So, assuming 2’ antennas at 38.7 dBi, your RSLs should be around -33.8 dBm (+/1 2.0 dB) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:54 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question I have never had problems using simple free space path loss for these frequencies. I doubt there is significant cable or waveguide loss. Dragonwaves mount to the antenna and the gain of the antenna is at the interface. 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
Hum...I have always used it this way and have good results. I know from experience that funny things happen above 10GHz...guess all this new fangled stuff is showing my age. but I still hold that monopole moves just enough to affect stability of link. That's my story and I am sticking to it.. Thanks gentsI feel more confident for tomorrows presentation. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote: The urban area figure you’re using includes clutter – not applicable to a los microwave path. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:00 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Wow ..close... I come up with 132.89 dB FSL and 143.41 dB urban area FSL ..so I guess if I back out the 2dB loss I am within 1.2dB of the calculations sent to me. Okay i am close. Cool...I can still add and subtract..yeah me! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I have never had problems using simple free space path loss for these frequencies. I doubt there is significant cable or waveguide loss. Dragonwaves mount to the antenna and the gain of the antenna is at the interface. 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback
Patrick, please recheck with nick on that.. AFAIK MUMIMO requires diff HW/ Antennas? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 3/4/15, 1:32 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: QAM256 is not new hardware, neither is MU-MIMO Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback I disagree with the 3 years it is old stuff. The COMPACTs are SDRs with lots of latent capacity. Beeing old stuff is relative. We've SAF Luminas 366Mbit we could replace with Integras which do 450Mbit now. We've Radwin2000c with 100Mbit we could replace now with Mimosa B5 doing easily 400 MBit. We've Purewave WiMAX we could upgrade with your's (SDR by the way) ... Sure within the next 3 years your gear is more or less old and replacing it with your next modell would be a good improvement. SDR might increase the lifetime but e.g. going to 256QAM will be the next hardware. ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** **
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
It is the same reason (the same concept at least) Marriot was fined $600k. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D05677.91368270]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I have heard reports of operators in TN doing this and they were never shut down - Original Message - From: Patrick Learymailto:patrickleary.af...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. That's called malicious interference and can and should get you fined and shut down. Further, it is not WISP spectrum and never was. I have never understood the WISP sense of entitlement with unlicensed (free) spectrum, especially given that it is a population that is largely politically conservative. On Mar 2, 2015 12:16 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: That means can we point our 5ghz backhaul stuff at there towers and make there signal about worthless? If so that would teach cell phone companies not to mess with WISP’s spectrum. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. If systems like this end up rolling out on cell sites across the nation we are going to see some tough times getting clear channels. I’ve seen several proposals now for tower based systems that use very large swaths of 5Ghz as alternative LTE data paths to cell phones with multi-channel BW designed to suck up every free piece of 5Ghz spectrum found. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/t-mobile-alcatel-wifi-and-4g-fight/ Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.comhttp://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100tel:510-868-1614%20x100 Mobile: 510-207-tel:510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.commailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] SLA
Not trying to be cagey below; I'm just cautious. If I answer that question, it is a lot like answering when I stopped beating my wife. If I answered, competion would be cutting and pasting to make it look like we charge SLAs JUST for software updates. We do not. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k There is no SLA for just firmware updates. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k How much is the SLA for firmware updates? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: No. SLA, yes, but SLAs are normal to maintain support and to get software upgrades (not just bug fixes)...and in our case, soon network monitoring free for the first year from our own data center. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Quite not the case. Ever price typical LTE? And our licenses you own once first bought, with no annual renewals. Thought there was an annual license fee to get firmware updates etc? Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k The sauce better be really really good with all of those licenses. Seems like u have a license for just about everything ? :) On Mar 3, 2015 8:20 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is there frequency re-use with a 3 BTS setup? If there is re-use, what's the penalty? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: 3x 65s for 360* coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:07:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Is there a 90 degree sector or are you using 65 degree sectors in a 4 BTS cluster? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Only 2 models, the 3.65 (actually 3.4-3.7) COMPACT 1000 or the 2.x (2.3 and 2.5) COMPACT 3000. I included the 3.65 version. The 2.5 is all the same, save for the BTS price, which is about $5k higher (but 40 dBm per port and 43 pounds of brute power, compared to the 18 pound COMPACT 1000) Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Which base station are you quoting, and what are the basic differences between the models? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Think of all the EPC options (and there are 3 forms) as shells: 1 is an shell embedded as a piece of software inside EACH BTS...a total one box solution (we can do that since we are a SDR). 1 is a shell that's a small (1/2U) appliance supporting up to 10k subs and 2 gigs. These are stackable and with our NPV option is infinitely stackable. Into each shell option you plug in ONLY the functionality you need: Connecting to an external Radius? Buy that module. Don't need to? Don't get it. If not above, then doing MAC level authentication instead? Buy the iHSSS module. PCRF module. Doing service flows and dedicated bearers? Get that. Don't, then don't. Need Layer 2, get that. Don't? Dont. These modules are in price relative to the version of EPC (baby, momma or papa bear size). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Never mind, I see that now. How much is the 50 user license? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is the 50 user limit just a guideline or a software limitation? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: One BTS, included embedded EPC with MAC level authentication (cheapest option) supporting up to 50 clients. Antenna could be swapped for any other. NOTE: this exclude any NMS pieces, but you could just connect over Telnet or direct connect. This would be the BAREST of bones, but there it is. That's still LTE and about 100 Mbps with killer NLOS. Includes: 735270 CMP.XT-BS-3.4-3.7 1 715773 LTE COMPACT SW License 1 700258 BMAX-4M-GPS 1 300736 ANT 3.3-3.8GHz,18 dBi, 65deg, 4ports (RF cables
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
I have heard reports of operators in TN doing this and they were never shut down - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. That's called malicious interference and can and should get you fined and shut down. Further, it is not WISP spectrum and never was. I have never understood the WISP sense of entitlement with unlicensed (free) spectrum, especially given that it is a population that is largely politically conservative. On Mar 2, 2015 12:16 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: That means can we point our 5ghz backhaul stuff at there towers and make there signal about worthless? If so that would teach cell phone companies not to mess with WISP’s spectrum. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. If systems like this end up rolling out on cell sites across the nation we are going to see some tough times getting clear channels. I’ve seen several proposals now for tower based systems that use very large swaths of 5Ghz as alternative LTE data paths to cell phones with multi-channel BW designed to suck up every free piece of 5Ghz spectrum found. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/t-mobile-alcatel-wifi-and-4g-fight/ Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
So, assuming 2’ antennas at 38.7 dBi, your RSLs should be around -33.8 dBm (+/1 2.0 dB) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question I have never had problems using simple free space path loss for these frequencies. I doubt there is significant cable or waveguide loss. Dragonwaves mount to the antenna and the gain of the antenna is at the interface. 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB From: Jaime Solorzamailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
Not as bad and with RF Armor, even better. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:02 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware are they as leaky RF wise as Rockets? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: With no noise, Nanobeams are just a dream. I have a link 11.2 miles with 95% airmax that are working beautifully. In another location the link is totally crap, even with a -60. The noise on the far tower just won't let it function. Note that ePMP worked very well as a replacement. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Going to install our first NanoBeam to NanoBeam link on Friday at seven mileslets see how well they work. on bench they did great. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390tel:915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved. On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG
Are you reserving the 100 seats, or is it first come first serve? When: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US Canada). Where: via link below AND call in number Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ...If you dareHell, if I dare. I have room for 100. No holds barred, but I warn you I'm an armed veteran and expert marksman. Given time we'll even run through the LTE interference thing. 1. Please join my meeting. _https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/471332645_ 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. Dial +1 (408) 650-3123 Access Code: 471-332-645 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 471-332-645 GoToMeetingן�½ Online Meetings Made Easyן�½ Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhoneן�½, iPadן�½, Androidן�½ or Windows Phoneן�½ device via the GoToMeeting app. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
It's because you weren't taught this common core math garbage! =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Wow ..close... I come up with 132.89 dB FSL and 143.41 dB urban area FSL ..so I guess if I back out the 2dB loss I am within 1.2dB of the calculations sent to me. Okay i am close. Cool...I can still add and subtract..yeah me! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I have never had problems using simple free space path loss for these frequencies. I doubt there is significant cable or waveguide loss. Dragonwaves mount to the antenna and the gain of the antenna is at the interface. 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
The FCC document they gave me says 21 dBm tx power and that what is set on radios according to guy who hired me to help verify path. One 3 ft dish is on huge guyed tower and another on a monopole with several other drums and a sectors.They experience signal drops during high winds. my guess just from little data giving to me is that monopole is oscillating enough to affect path with signal drops.It is a very windy area and according to their IT guy this is when they see some issues. Link doesn't drop completely but alarms in windy season allot. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Always listen to the manufacturer. I don't anyone has ever come up with a case where their figure was noticeably off. Certainly never not on the side of caution. Are you using their full tx power or the tx power of the highest modulation? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
-30.39 dB FSL -40.41 dB urban area FSL report says 42db on antennas and -27.5 dB so if I adjust mine I am -28.39dB. what a few dB's among friends? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote: So, assuming 2’ antennas at 38.7 dBi, your RSLs should be around -33.8 dBm (+/1 2.0 dB) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:54 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question I have never had problems using simple free space path loss for these frequencies. I doubt there is significant cable or waveguide loss. Dragonwaves mount to the antenna and the gain of the antenna is at the interface. 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG
Will it be recorded? -Steve D On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Damn. I will be on tower if radio is bad or on drive back to El Paso on Thursday afternoon . Next time Jaime Solorza On Mar 3, 2015 7:25 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: When: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US Canada). Where: via link below AND call in number Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ...If you dareHell, if I dare. I have room for 100. No holds barred, but I warn you I'm an armed veteran and expert marksman. Given time we'll even run through the LTE interference thing. 1. Please join my meeting. *https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/471332645* https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/471332645 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. Dial +1 (408) 650-3123 Access Code: 471-332-645 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 471-332-645 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad®, Android® or Windows Phone® device via the GoToMeeting app. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
Sounds logical – a 3’ dish at 2° would be down about 10 dB and at 3° about 20 dB according to the pattern From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:14 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hum...I have always used it this way and have good results. I know from experience that funny things happen above 10GHz...guess all this new fangled stuff is showing my age. but I still hold that monopole moves just enough to affect stability of link. That's my story and I am sticking to it.. Thanks gentsI feel more confident for tomorrows presentation. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.commailto:tha...@comsearch.com wrote: The urban area figure you’re using includes clutter – not applicable to a los microwave path. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:00 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Wow ..close... I come up with 132.89 dB FSL and 143.41 dB urban area FSL ..so I guess if I back out the 2dB loss I am within 1.2dB of the calculations sent to me. Okay i am close. Cool...I can still add and subtract..yeah me! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390tel:915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I have never had problems using simple free space path loss for these frequencies. I doubt there is significant cable or waveguide loss. Dragonwaves mount to the antenna and the gain of the antenna is at the interface. 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB From: Jaime Solorzamailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390tel:915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG
I can and should Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D05677.776D1980]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:52 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Will it be recorded? -Steve D On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Damn. I will be on tower if radio is bad or on drive back to El Paso on Thursday afternoon . Next time Jaime Solorza On Mar 3, 2015 7:25 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: When: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US Canada). Where: via link below AND call in number Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ...If you dareHell, if I dare. I have room for 100. No holds barred, but I warn you I'm an armed veteran and expert marksman. Given time we'll even run through the LTE interference thing. 1. Please join my meeting. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/471332645 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. Dial +1 (408) 650-3123tel:%2B1%20%28408%29%20650-3123 Access Code: 471-332-645 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 471-332-645 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad®, Android® or Windows Phone® device via the GoToMeeting app. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] About $12k
No. SLA, yes, but SLAs are normal to maintain support and to get software upgrades (not just bug fixes)...and in our case, soon network monitoring free for the first year from our own data center. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Quite not the case. Ever price typical LTE? And our licenses you own once first bought, with no annual renewals. Thought there was an annual license fee to get firmware updates etc? Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k The sauce better be really really good with all of those licenses. Seems like u have a license for just about everything ? :) On Mar 3, 2015 8:20 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is there frequency re-use with a 3 BTS setup? If there is re-use, what's the penalty? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: 3x 65s for 360* coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:07:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Is there a 90 degree sector or are you using 65 degree sectors in a 4 BTS cluster? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Only 2 models, the 3.65 (actually 3.4-3.7) COMPACT 1000 or the 2.x (2.3 and 2.5) COMPACT 3000. I included the 3.65 version. The 2.5 is all the same, save for the BTS price, which is about $5k higher (but 40 dBm per port and 43 pounds of brute power, compared to the 18 pound COMPACT 1000) Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Which base station are you quoting, and what are the basic differences between the models? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Think of all the EPC options (and there are 3 forms) as shells: 1 is an shell embedded as a piece of software inside EACH BTS...a total one box solution (we can do that since we are a SDR). 1 is a shell that's a small (1/2U) appliance supporting up to 10k subs and 2 gigs. These are stackable and with our NPV option is infinitely stackable. Into each shell option you plug in ONLY the functionality you need: Connecting to an external Radius? Buy that module. Don't need to? Don't get it. If not above, then doing MAC level authentication instead? Buy the iHSSS module. PCRF module. Doing service flows and dedicated bearers? Get that. Don't, then don't. Need Layer 2, get that. Don't? Dont. These modules are in price relative to the version of EPC (baby, momma or papa bear size). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Never mind, I see that now. How much is the 50 user license? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is the 50 user limit just a guideline or a software limitation? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: One BTS, included embedded EPC with MAC level authentication (cheapest option) supporting up to 50 clients. Antenna could be swapped for any other. NOTE: this exclude any NMS pieces, but you could just connect over Telnet or direct connect. This would be the BAREST of bones, but there it is. That's still LTE and about 100 Mbps with killer NLOS. Includes: 735270 CMP.XT-BS-3.4-3.7 1 715773 LTE COMPACT SW License 1 700258 BMAX-4M-GPS 1 300736 ANT 3.3-3.8GHz,18 dBi, 65deg, 4ports (RF cables NOT included) 1 715620 BreezeWay-1010-50 (per Compact HW license) 1 715621 BreezeWay-1010-iHSS-50 (50 subs. license) 1 SLA 1 Year SLA 1 Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback No, could be much less. Give me a minute... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Probably 20k to start. Quality over quantity. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 3, 2015 8:56 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Patrick, I haven't had time to read
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback
I don't need to check Gino. Gone over this a million times. No change in BTS OR CPE. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Patrick, please recheck with nick on that.. AFAIK MUMIMO requires diff HW/ Antennas? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 3/4/15, 1:32 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: QAM256 is not new hardware, neither is MU-MIMO Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback I disagree with the 3 years it is old stuff. The COMPACTs are SDRs with lots of latent capacity. Beeing old stuff is relative. We've SAF Luminas 366Mbit we could replace with Integras which do 450Mbit now. We've Radwin2000c with 100Mbit we could replace now with Mimosa B5 doing easily 400 MBit. We've Purewave WiMAX we could upgrade with your's (SDR by the way) ... Sure within the next 3 years your gear is more or less old and replacing it with your next modell would be a good improvement. SDR might increase the lifetime but e.g. going to 256QAM will be the next hardware. *** *** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. *** *** ** *** *** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. *** *** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] About $12k
On 3/4/2015 11:44 AM, Matt wrote: Quite not the case. Ever price typical LTE? And our licenses you own once first bought, with no annual renewals. Thought there was an annual license fee to get firmware updates etc? Nope.
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
I have never had problems using simple free space path loss for these frequencies. I doubt there is significant cable or waveguide loss. Dragonwaves mount to the antenna and the gain of the antenna is at the interface. 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
Wow ..close... I come up with 132.89 dB FSL and 143.41 dB urban area FSL ..so I guess if I back out the 2dB loss I am within 1.2dB of the calculations sent to me. Okay i am close. Cool...I can still add and subtract..yeah me! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I have never had problems using simple free space path loss for these frequencies. I doubt there is significant cable or waveguide loss. Dragonwaves mount to the antenna and the gain of the antenna is at the interface. 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
(+/- 2.0 db)! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question So, assuming 2’ antennas at 38.7 dBi, your RSLs should be around -33.8 dBm (+/1 2.0 dB) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question I have never had problems using simple free space path loss for these frequencies. I doubt there is significant cable or waveguide loss. Dragonwaves mount to the antenna and the gain of the antenna is at the interface. 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB From: Jaime Solorzamailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback
Not wrong, just different. You guys are splitting aren't you? Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D05676.AF602DB0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Who's you guys? I didn't work here when these decisions were made. :) Some day maybe you can fill me in on what's been done wrong. On or off list is fine. Once again, your deployment is non standard Adam. The way your sectors are configured the NLOS won't rock your world. We've all known that for a long time; that was the choice you guys made. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D05676.AF602DB0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:55 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback There are also various ways to measure working. The way WiMax works NLOS does not rock my world. I hope LTE does. Population density is very low in some rural areas. New construction has been pretty much nada, with the housing bust and wind farms, no new subdivisions, no farmettes. The only houses are where farmhouses or 1 room schoolhouses used to stand. Then factor in you just can’t achieve 100% market share. No matter how good your service and price, some of the available subscribers will instead go with WISP competitors, DSL, satellite, mobile hotspot, or “I don’t need one of those newfangled computer thingies”. So sometimes you’re doing good to get 15 subs. Of course if you can double your range, you may quadruple the available market. Someone on the list posted a few days back about not going through granite. I assume even LTE can’t do that however. From: Patrick Learymailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:41 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Alvarion did that. I admit, I'm not a fan of capping Glen. It is a gimmick. The hardware is what it is, and this hardware is expensive. 30dBm per port. 4 tx/4rx. Power is expensive. The highest quality DSPs on the market. not consumer grade stuff with the sensitivity of your in home Wi-Fi router. We build our own phy from the ground up too, our own ATPC algorithms too. On the software, we do that though -- enabling modularity and scale as you need to. I think I need to do a dedicated webinar to this community to walk you guys (or those inclined) through it (any takers?). I do not think we can be a solution that makes sense where you only have 15 clients. That's the blunt truth. Unless you are doing 50 Mbps customers, I am not your micropop (but I can do that in some modest scale). That said, I wonder where that 15 number comes from? Can you please explain on what architecture that is based? Range? Height? Etc. If it is based on a micropop and even then on what just that pop can see, I'd say that's likely a model invented out of necessity due to the poor performance of the system you are using. I had a guy on a call today. He zoomed me in on Google Earth to his NLOS area. Farmland with wind breaks and shade trees for the homes. He is at 400' and can't connect squat behind those breaks. In my world, that's LOS all the way, even at 150 ft. It is total garbage that so many systems to can't deal with that and you've all been fed that that is normal. It is not. It is just gear with terrible specs where the only RD is at the software level, and even that is scant. You do not have NLOS problems. You have equipment problems. How such a product ever was allowed to go to market as a solution for rural broadband is, to me, cynical and reflective of playing a market to skim opportunistic dollars from a market segment that sometimes seems to embrace abuse. Sort of like the poor 700 MHz owners who got sucked in to buying 20 year old Marconi WipLL repackaged as a 700 MHz solution because all there was to buy. Then vendors do that crap and THEN, THEN tell you there's no backward compatibility when they come out with something new? WISPs. Sometimes you guys drive me nuts. You are like cheerleaders that love to date the quarterbacks who abuse you. That is like selling a car that falls apart once you leave residential streets. None of you should ever have accepted these golf carts to run your fleets. Sometimes, cheap is just cheap. Boy, I'm gonna hear it from my vendor peers, but this ain't a game or just a job for me. I damn sure hope it ain't that for you either. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D05676.AF602DB0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:08 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Sort of off topic, but what would be the smallest AP we could get? I'm thinking about using this system on a
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback
cool, good to know! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 3/4/15, 1:42 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I don't need to check Gino. Gone over this a million times. No change in BTS OR CPE. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Patrick, please recheck with nick on that.. AFAIK MUMIMO requires diff HW/ Antennas? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 3/4/15, 1:32 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: QAM256 is not new hardware, neither is MU-MIMO Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback I disagree with the 3 years it is old stuff. The COMPACTs are SDRs with lots of latent capacity. Beeing old stuff is relative. We've SAF Luminas 366Mbit we could replace with Integras which do 450Mbit now. We've Radwin2000c with 100Mbit we could replace now with Mimosa B5 doing easily 400 MBit. We've Purewave WiMAX we could upgrade with your's (SDR by the way) ... Sure within the next 3 years your gear is more or less old and replacing it with your next modell would be a good improvement. SDR might increase the lifetime but e.g. going to 256QAM will be the next hardware. *** *** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. *** *** ** *** *** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. *** *** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** **
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
Monopoles are subject to the vortex shedding problem causing them to oscillate.
If the axis of the sway causes the dish to aim high and then low it would do
exactly what Jaime is guessing it is doing.
I would suggest mount the antennas lower if possible and/or use smaller dishes.
There is plenty of signal.
2’ or 18” would still work just fine at that range.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
I would think the other way. Many guyed towers are not 100% stable in
rotation, and running a PTP link from one would likely require torque arrestors.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:51 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
The FCC document they gave me says 21 dBm tx power and that what is set on
radios according to guy who hired me to help verify path. One 3 ft dish is on
huge guyed tower and another on a monopole with several other drums and a
sectors.They experience signal drops during high winds. my guess just from
little data giving to me is that monopole is oscillating enough to affect path
with signal drops.It is a very windy area and according to their IT guy
this is when they see some issues. Link doesn't drop completely but alarms in
windy season allot.
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Always listen to the manufacturer. I don't anyone has ever come up with a
case where their figure was noticeably off. Certainly never not on the side of
caution.
Are you using their full tx power or the tx power of the highest modulation?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello Smart Dudes on the list:
Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what
someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free
space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I
am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space
loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do
not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that
information on site.
I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start.
What are your thoughts Hobson?
Thx
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
Originally MT to Nanostation. Worked for years. Wanted to upgrade,
slapped on a Nanobeam (higher gain).
MT to Nanobeam wouldn't do WDS. Ubnt said they can't support it because
they're not both Ubnt.
Nanostation to Nanobeam wouldn't do WDS. Ubnt said they can't support it
because they're not both Ubnt. Slammed keyboard.
Nanobeam to Nanobeam does do WDS just fine. It wouldn't work in this link
because of signal issues (nLOS).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
What sort of problems were you seeing with WDS on Nanobeams? Was it
Nanobeams on both ends? I know you've posted about it before, but I don't
remember what exactly the issue was.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
I've found that Nanobeams have problems with WDS. I tried 5.5.9 and
maybe 5.5.10? I emailed Ubnt but it never got anywhere. Ended with
putting up MT radios.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
And I’m not seeing the problem where I have XW clients talking to XM
Rockets. Now that I think about it, I had the Powerbeam as the station and
the PowerBridge as the AP. Dang, should have flipped that and retested.
The thing that caught me off guard is that this has been working for
several months, no issues. It just randomly went weird.
Rory
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:07 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
No. Different architecture.
Think compiled for Arm vs x86 Windows.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 4, 2015 11:05 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the XM versus XW was just a hardware thing. Is it possible to
update a device that is on XM with XW?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:03 AM, Vince West wrote:
I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading XM firmware
with NSM, Rockets and NanoBridges. For anything newer, like the NanoBeams
we have been using the XW firmware.
I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in some of my
rocket APs since we did these software upgrades. I don't have any
PowerBridges in service anymore, so I can't speak for those.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing
firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until
about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a
PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that
end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at
the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings.
After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a
PowerBeam. Problem solved.
On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware
connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far.
Rory
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
truer words haven't been spoken... - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. My larger point is that none of us should turn off our intellectual honesty simply because an issue is disruptive to the way we like to do things. No one is violating any rules here. No one is entitled to any special use here. No regulation grants you or anyone else priority here. You are leveraging something given to you freely, claiming it as your own. On Mar 3, 2015 7:55 AM, Patrick Leary patrickleary.af...@gmail.com wrote: Tim, none of us have to like it but the right they have to use unlicensed spectrum is exactly the same as that which permits you to do so. On Mar 3, 2015 7:52 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Then Patrick Mobile carriers really have no rights to be start using unlicensed spectrum they pay the big bucks for license spectrum so what gives them rights to enter the unlicensed spectrum? So they can trash the whole or some of the 5ghz spectrum so we wisp cant have anything? Just like I seen an screenshot of alvarion breeze in 5ghz that everybody said that you couldn’t see in ubnt gear when doing airview. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. That's called malicious interference and can and should get you fined and shut down. Further, it is not WISP spectrum and never was. I have never understood the WISP sense of entitlement with unlicensed (free) spectrum, especially given that it is a population that is largely politically conservative. On Mar 2, 2015 12:16 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: That means can we point our 5ghz backhaul stuff at there towers and make there signal about worthless? If so that would teach cell phone companies not to mess with WISP’s spectrum. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. If systems like this end up rolling out on cell sites across the nation we are going to see some tough times getting clear channels. I’ve seen several proposals now for tower based systems that use very large swaths of 5Ghz as alternative LTE data paths to cell phones with multi-channel BW designed to suck up every free piece of 5Ghz spectrum found. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/t-mobile-alcatel-wifi-and-4g-fight/ Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
I’m got a pile of PowerBeam/NanoBeam or whatever you call them PTP links up and they work fine. They would work better with DFS on the shorter links but a couple of them are 10 miles. I’m running 5MHz channels on the longer ones though, high-interference environments. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:33 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware Going to install our first NanoBeam to NanoBeam link on Friday at seven mileslets see how well they work. on bench they did great. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved. On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
+1 On 03/04/2015 11:02 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: It's because you weren't taught this common core math garbage! =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Wow ..close... I come up with 132.89 dB FSL and 143.41 dB urban area FSL ..so I guess if I back out the 2dB loss I am within 1.2dB of the calculations sent to me. Okay i am close. Cool...I can still add and subtract..yeah me! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I have never had problems using simple free space path loss for these frequencies. I doubt there is significant cable or waveguide loss. Dragonwaves mount to the antenna and the gain of the antenna is at the interface. 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB *From:* Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
Did you ever talk to any of your state reps in congress? - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Yep, lived it. The discussions PGE ended with “Our lawyers say we are in compliance, take it up with them”. OK then…. We managed to keep some links up, but ultimately it relegated 900 to very low density neighborhoods and links that needed to be -65 or better at both ends. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and smart meters. While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to take it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance of using the spectrum for commercial purposes. By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power meter in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites, has raised the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high speed communications. So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz for its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum in affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think they expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum. I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can deploy in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1 million units. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
logical? Me? Hum, glad I watched every Star Trek episode...even the cartoons! Live Long and Prosper Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote: Sounds logical – a 3’ dish at 2° would be down about 10 dB and at 3° about 20 dB according to the pattern *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:14 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hum...I have always used it this way and have good results. I know from experience that funny things happen above 10GHz...guess all this new fangled stuff is showing my age. but I still hold that monopole moves just enough to affect stability of link. That's my story and I am sticking to it.. Thanks gentsI feel more confident for tomorrows presentation. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote: The urban area figure you’re using includes clutter – not applicable to a los microwave path. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:00 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Wow ..close... I come up with 132.89 dB FSL and 143.41 dB urban area FSL ..so I guess if I back out the 2dB loss I am within 1.2dB of the calculations sent to me. Okay i am close. Cool...I can still add and subtract..yeah me! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I have never had problems using simple free space path loss for these frequencies. I doubt there is significant cable or waveguide loss. Dragonwaves mount to the antenna and the gain of the antenna is at the interface. 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on site. I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start. What are your thoughts Hobson? Thx Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
I would think the other way. Many guyed towers are not 100% stable in
rotation, and running a PTP link from one would likely require torque
arrestors.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:51 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
The FCC document they gave me says 21 dBm tx power and that what is
set on radios according to guy who hired me to help verify path. One
3 ft dish is on huge guyed tower and another on a monopole with
several other drums and a sectors. They experience signal drops
during high winds. my guess just from little data giving to me is
that monopole is oscillating enough to affect path with signal drops.
It is a very windy area and according to their IT guy this is when
they see some issues. Link doesn't drop completely but alarms in
windy season allot.
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Always listen to the manufacturer. I don't anyone has ever come
up with a case where their figure was noticeably off. Certainly
never not on the side of caution.
Are you using their full tx power or the tx power of the highest
modulation?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza
losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Smart Dudes on the list:
Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to
compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if
they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming
up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded
urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space
loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable
loss since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other
details. I will get all that information on site.
I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the
start.
What are your thoughts Hobson?
Thx
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] About $12k
There is no SLA for just firmware updates. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k How much is the SLA for firmware updates? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: No. SLA, yes, but SLAs are normal to maintain support and to get software upgrades (not just bug fixes)...and in our case, soon network monitoring free for the first year from our own data center. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Quite not the case. Ever price typical LTE? And our licenses you own once first bought, with no annual renewals. Thought there was an annual license fee to get firmware updates etc? Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k The sauce better be really really good with all of those licenses. Seems like u have a license for just about everything ? :) On Mar 3, 2015 8:20 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is there frequency re-use with a 3 BTS setup? If there is re-use, what's the penalty? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: 3x 65s for 360* coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:07:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Is there a 90 degree sector or are you using 65 degree sectors in a 4 BTS cluster? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Only 2 models, the 3.65 (actually 3.4-3.7) COMPACT 1000 or the 2.x (2.3 and 2.5) COMPACT 3000. I included the 3.65 version. The 2.5 is all the same, save for the BTS price, which is about $5k higher (but 40 dBm per port and 43 pounds of brute power, compared to the 18 pound COMPACT 1000) Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Which base station are you quoting, and what are the basic differences between the models? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Think of all the EPC options (and there are 3 forms) as shells: 1 is an shell embedded as a piece of software inside EACH BTS...a total one box solution (we can do that since we are a SDR). 1 is a shell that's a small (1/2U) appliance supporting up to 10k subs and 2 gigs. These are stackable and with our NPV option is infinitely stackable. Into each shell option you plug in ONLY the functionality you need: Connecting to an external Radius? Buy that module. Don't need to? Don't get it. If not above, then doing MAC level authentication instead? Buy the iHSSS module. PCRF module. Doing service flows and dedicated bearers? Get that. Don't, then don't. Need Layer 2, get that. Don't? Dont. These modules are in price relative to the version of EPC (baby, momma or papa bear size). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Never mind, I see that now. How much is the 50 user license? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is the 50 user limit just a guideline or a software limitation? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: One BTS, included embedded EPC with MAC level authentication (cheapest option) supporting up to 50 clients. Antenna could be swapped for any other. NOTE: this exclude any NMS pieces, but you could just connect over Telnet or direct connect. This would be the BAREST of bones, but there it is. That's still LTE and about 100 Mbps with killer NLOS. Includes: 735270 CMP.XT-BS-3.4-3.7 1 715773 LTE COMPACT SW License 1 700258 BMAX-4M-GPS 1 300736 ANT 3.3-3.8GHz,18 dBi, 65deg, 4ports (RF cables NOT included) 1 715620 BreezeWay-1010-50 (per Compact HW license) 1 715621 BreezeWay-1010-iHSS-50 (50 subs. license) 1 SLA 1 Year SLA 1 Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback No, could be much less. Give me a minute... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
Vortex shredding...What a terrifying phrase. All this winter the U.S. NE
quadrant has been polar vortex shredded!
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01D0567B.131B5970]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
Monopoles are subject to the vortex shedding problem causing them to oscillate.
If the axis of the sway causes the dish to aim high and then low it would do
exactly what Jaime is guessing it is doing.
I would suggest mount the antennas lower if possible and/or use smaller dishes.
There is plenty of signal.
2’ or 18” would still work just fine at that range.
From: Bill Princemailto:part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
I would think the other way. Many guyed towers are not 100% stable in
rotation, and running a PTP link from one would likely require torque arrestors.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:51 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
The FCC document they gave me says 21 dBm tx power and that what is set on
radios according to guy who hired me to help verify path. One 3 ft dish is on
huge guyed tower and another on a monopole with several other drums and a
sectors.They experience signal drops during high winds. my guess just from
little data giving to me is that monopole is oscillating enough to affect path
with signal drops.It is a very windy area and according to their IT guy
this is when they see some issues. Link doesn't drop completely but alarms in
windy season allot.
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Always listen to the manufacturer. I don't anyone has ever come up with a case
where their figure was noticeably off. Certainly never not on the side of
caution.
Are you using their full tx power or the tx power of the highest modulation?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza
losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Smart Dudes on the list:
Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone
else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss
calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using
unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free space loss we are
within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss since I do not know if
waveguide was used or many other details. I will get all that information on
site.
I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start.
What are your thoughts Hobson?
Thx
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390tel:915-861-1390
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
With no noise, Nanobeams are just a dream. I have a link 11.2 miles with 95% airmax that are working beautifully. In another location the link is totally crap, even with a -60. The noise on the far tower just won't let it function. Note that ePMP worked very well as a replacement. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Going to install our first NanoBeam to NanoBeam link on Friday at seven mileslets see how well they work. on bench they did great. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved. On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
are they as leaky RF wise as Rockets? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: With no noise, Nanobeams are just a dream. I have a link 11.2 miles with 95% airmax that are working beautifully. In another location the link is totally crap, even with a -60. The noise on the far tower just won't let it function. Note that ePMP worked very well as a replacement. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Going to install our first NanoBeam to NanoBeam link on Friday at seven mileslets see how well they work. on bench they did great. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved. On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
They have a shield for these as well? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I like that they look like the Jupiter 2 on the 19dB version Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: are they as leaky RF wise as Rockets? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: With no noise, Nanobeams are just a dream. I have a link 11.2 miles with 95% airmax that are working beautifully. In another location the link is totally crap, even with a -60. The noise on the far tower just won't let it function. Note that ePMP worked very well as a replacement. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Going to install our first NanoBeam to NanoBeam link on Friday at seven mileslets see how well they work. on bench they did great. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved. On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
well, that seems logical... you'd think UBNT would know that they made the
nanostation.
The only issues I've seen with NanoBeams have been a random reboot thing
I've been trying to figure out... I was wondering if it might be related to
the WDS thing, but I'm pretty sure it's just bad radios in this case.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Originally MT to Nanostation. Worked for years. Wanted to upgrade,
slapped on a Nanobeam (higher gain).
MT to Nanobeam wouldn't do WDS. Ubnt said they can't support it because
they're not both Ubnt.
Nanostation to Nanobeam wouldn't do WDS. Ubnt said they can't support it
because they're not both Ubnt. Slammed keyboard.
Nanobeam to Nanobeam does do WDS just fine. It wouldn't work in this link
because of signal issues (nLOS).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
What sort of problems were you seeing with WDS on Nanobeams? Was it
Nanobeams on both ends? I know you've posted about it before, but I don't
remember what exactly the issue was.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
I've found that Nanobeams have problems with WDS. I tried 5.5.9 and
maybe 5.5.10? I emailed Ubnt but it never got anywhere. Ended with
putting up MT radios.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
And I’m not seeing the problem where I have XW clients talking to XM
Rockets. Now that I think about it, I had the Powerbeam as the station and
the PowerBridge as the AP. Dang, should have flipped that and retested.
The thing that caught me off guard is that this has been working for
several months, no issues. It just randomly went weird.
Rory
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:07 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
No. Different architecture.
Think compiled for Arm vs x86 Windows.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 4, 2015 11:05 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the XM versus XW was just a hardware thing. Is it possible
to update a device that is on XM with XW?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:03 AM, Vince West wrote:
I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading XM firmware
with NSM, Rockets and NanoBridges. For anything newer, like the NanoBeams
we have been using the XW firmware.
I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in some of my
rocket APs since we did these software upgrades. I don't have any
PowerBridges in service anymore, so I can't speak for those.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that
mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem
until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to
a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on
that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP
at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings.
After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a
PowerBeam. Problem solved.
On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware
connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far.
Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG
I have no mechanism that reserves. I openly put the invite on the list; the first 100 in get in. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D05676.1C466710]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Are you reserving the 100 seats, or is it first come first serve?ן½ When: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US Canada). Where: via link below AND call in number ן½ Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. ן½ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ן½ ...If you dareHell, if I dare.ן½ I have room for 100. No holds barred, but I warn you I'm an armed veteran and expert marksman. ן½ Given time we'll even run through the LTE interference thing. ן½ 1.ן½ Please join my meeting. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/471332645 ן½ 2.ן½ Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended.ן½ Or, call in using your telephone. ן½ Dial +1 (408) 650-3123 Access Code: 471-332-645 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting ן½ Meeting ID: 471-332-645 ן½ GoToMeetingן½ Online Meetings Made Easyן½ ן½ Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhoneן½, iPadן½, Androidן½ or Windows Phoneן½ device via the GoToMeeting app. ן½ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
Fortunately we did not have a lot of users on 900, we were using it for distance but once we found the WARM grid antennas we were able to get stable links on 2.4 Just wasn’t worth the fight. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Did you ever talk to any of your state reps in congress? - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson mailto:je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Yep, lived it. The discussions PGE ended with “Our lawyers say we are in compliance, take it up with them”. OK then…. We managed to keep some links up, but ultimately it relegated 900 to very low density neighborhoods and links that needed to be -65 or better at both ends. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and smart meters. While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to take it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance of using the spectrum for commercial purposes. By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power meter in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites, has raised the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high speed communications. So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz for its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum in affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think they expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum. I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can deploy in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1 million units. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] About $12k
How much is the SLA for firmware updates? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: No. SLA, yes, but SLAs are normal to maintain support and to get software upgrades (not just bug fixes)...and in our case, soon network monitoring free for the first year from our own data center. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Quite not the case. Ever price typical LTE? And our licenses you own once first bought, with no annual renewals. Thought there was an annual license fee to get firmware updates etc? Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k The sauce better be really really good with all of those licenses. Seems like u have a license for just about everything ? :) On Mar 3, 2015 8:20 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is there frequency re-use with a 3 BTS setup? If there is re-use, what's the penalty? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: 3x 65s for 360* coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:07:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Is there a 90 degree sector or are you using 65 degree sectors in a 4 BTS cluster? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Only 2 models, the 3.65 (actually 3.4-3.7) COMPACT 1000 or the 2.x (2.3 and 2.5) COMPACT 3000. I included the 3.65 version. The 2.5 is all the same, save for the BTS price, which is about $5k higher (but 40 dBm per port and 43 pounds of brute power, compared to the 18 pound COMPACT 1000) Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Which base station are you quoting, and what are the basic differences between the models? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Think of all the EPC options (and there are 3 forms) as shells: 1 is an shell embedded as a piece of software inside EACH BTS...a total one box solution (we can do that since we are a SDR). 1 is a shell that's a small (1/2U) appliance supporting up to 10k subs and 2 gigs. These are stackable and with our NPV option is infinitely stackable. Into each shell option you plug in ONLY the functionality you need: Connecting to an external Radius? Buy that module. Don't need to? Don't get it. If not above, then doing MAC level authentication instead? Buy the iHSSS module. PCRF module. Doing service flows and dedicated bearers? Get that. Don't, then don't. Need Layer 2, get that. Don't? Dont. These modules are in price relative to the version of EPC (baby, momma or papa bear size). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Never mind, I see that now. How much is the 50 user license? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is the 50 user limit just a guideline or a software limitation? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: One BTS, included embedded EPC with MAC level authentication (cheapest option) supporting up to 50 clients. Antenna could be swapped for any other. NOTE: this exclude any NMS pieces, but you could just connect over Telnet or direct connect. This would be the BAREST of bones, but there it is. That's still LTE and about 100 Mbps with killer NLOS. Includes: 735270 CMP.XT-BS-3.4-3.7 1 715773 LTE COMPACT SW License 1 700258 BMAX-4M-GPS 1 300736 ANT 3.3-3.8GHz,18 dBi, 65deg, 4ports (RF cables NOT included) 1 715620 BreezeWay-1010-50 (per Compact HW license) 1 715621 BreezeWay-1010-iHSS-50 (50 subs. license) 1 SLA 1 Year SLA 1 Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback No, could be much less. Give me a minute... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Probably 20k to start. Quality over quantity. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
[AFMUG] poll: do you do your own DNS entirely in house?
Ex: Authoritative ns1 and ns2 for your domains, ns3 authoritative in a different geographical location? Recursive/caching for clients? Control all your own MX and SPF records?
Re: [AFMUG] SLA
So is there any way to get software updates outside of the SLA? On Wednesday, March 4, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not trying to be cagey below; I'm just cautious. If I answer that question, it is a lot like answering when I stopped beating my wife. If I answered, competion would be cutting and pasting to make it look like we charge SLAs JUST for software updates. We do not. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:04 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:; Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k There is no SLA for just firmware updates. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:; Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k How much is the SLA for firmware updates? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com javascript:; wrote: No. SLA, yes, but SLAs are normal to maintain support and to get software upgrades (not just bug fixes)...and in our case, soon network monitoring free for the first year from our own data center. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:44 AM To: af@afmug.com javascript:; Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Quite not the case. Ever price typical LTE? And our licenses you own once first bought, with no annual renewals. Thought there was an annual license fee to get firmware updates etc? Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:25 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:; Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k The sauce better be really really good with all of those licenses. Seems like u have a license for just about everything ? :) On Mar 3, 2015 8:20 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:; wrote: Is there frequency re-use with a 3 BTS setup? If there is re-use, what's the penalty? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net javascript:; wrote: 3x 65s for 360* coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:; To: af@afmug.com javascript:; Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:07:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Is there a 90 degree sector or are you using 65 degree sectors in a 4 BTS cluster? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com javascript:; wrote: Only 2 models, the 3.65 (actually 3.4-3.7) COMPACT 1000 or the 2.x (2.3 and 2.5) COMPACT 3000. I included the 3.65 version. The 2.5 is all the same, save for the BTS price, which is about $5k higher (but 40 dBm per port and 43 pounds of brute power, compared to the 18 pound COMPACT 1000) Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:36 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:; Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Which base station are you quoting, and what are the basic differences between the models? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com javascript:; wrote: Think of all the EPC options (and there are 3 forms) as shells: 1 is an shell embedded as a piece of software inside EACH BTS...a total one box solution (we can do that since we are a SDR). 1 is a shell that's a small (1/2U) appliance supporting up to 10k subs and 2 gigs. These are stackable and with our NPV option is infinitely stackable. Into each shell option you plug in ONLY the functionality you need: Connecting to an external Radius? Buy that module. Don't need to? Don't get it. If not above, then doing MAC level authentication instead? Buy the iHSSS module. PCRF module. Doing service flows and dedicated bearers? Get that. Don't, then don't. Need Layer 2, get that. Don't? Dont. These modules are in price relative to the version of EPC (baby, momma or papa bear size). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:; Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Never mind, I see that now. How much is the 50 user license? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:; wrote: Is the 50 user limit just a guideline or a software limitation? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux basic versus parasitic?
Uh, no. Definitely not good.
Here's one of mine for comparison. Which is also where I'm having odd
issues with two 3GHz 450 sectors. Not to mention the same problems at
sites with parasitics. I have another SyncInjector at another site
running a 5GHz 450 AP and it works fine. Plus dozens and dozens of
deluxe and parasitics on FSK and 2.4 and 5GHz 450 which all work fine.
So it's not the timing devices. Something about the 3GHz 450 is just
different.
Anyway.. I cleared the events, I forget, maybe a month or two ago after
I cycled the pipe to see if that fixed anything, which it did not. I use
the event counters with Cacti thresholds to alert me when something
happens. I look to see what happened, then I clear the counters to get
the threshold out of warn/alert status. That sorta messes up the RRDs
for one cycle, but oh well.
On 3/4/2015 9:58 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I reset these counters about a week ago. I think this is not normal?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 1:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
There are some pulse counts on the syncinjectors which may help you
troubleshoot. Pulses used should go up by one every second, no more,
no less. None of the other counters should increment except very rarely.
If you're seeing anything else, shoot a couple of screenshots into
cust...@packetflux.com mailto:cust...@packetflux.com
On Mar 2, 2015 1:50 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Yes, there are issues I'm seeing with AutoSync on all bands with
13.2/13.2.1. http://13.2.1. But 3GHz is... different, and I
don't know why. I have a couple APs on a SyncInjector and some
single APs on parasitic pipes. I thought it was just the
SyncInjector or something else at the site until I started seeing
the same problems on the parasitics after just a few days of
install at new sites. They all have the on-board GPS disabled
too. Random LBT hits, the APs show inSync and outSync counts but
no lost/acquired timing messages in the event log, and the
SyncInjector says nothing happened, SMs going crazy losing
session, APs reporting SMs out of range when things go nuts and I
have to reboot the AP(s). AutoSync+FreeRun get stuck in FreeRun.
Something in the FPGA code or some other logic screwed up. I have
no idea, so I hope Cambium can figure it out.
On 3/2/2015 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not this one. This one is running a pair of PMP450s in 5 GHz.
We're putting up a pair of PMP450s soon on different POPs;
one will go into a syncinjector, the other will be a CTM.
Is there some issue that you're seeing on the 3GHz varaiety?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 10:06 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
Doesn't matter. The RJ45's are just pass-thru. The new
universal pipes pull power from two pins, so it can be
used with either PMP100/450 or 430 APs. But I always have
the guys put the jumper out to the radio into the center
RJ45 and the cable from the injector to the RJ45 with the
LEDs, just as standard practice, not that it matters.
I do have a question for you about this though.. is this
SyncInjector running 3GHz 450 APs?
On 3/2/2015 11:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Thanks George!
i take it from the description that this boogers up
the power/outputs such that (ether?) RJ45 on the
parasitic can be used to connect to the syncinjector?
One of the RJ45s has lights, and the other is just a
vanilla shielded RJ45 (I'm looking at a rev H1). So
I can just build this little jumper for between the
6p6c and the adjacent RJ45, then use the outer RJ45
to connect to the syncinjector?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 9:44 AM, George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting) wrote:
Yes.
http://manuals.packetflux.com/index.php?page=using-a-syncpipe-parasitic-with-a-syncinjector
On 3/2/2015 11:25 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have a syncpipe basic that we think is
starting to act up. It seems to lose sync
about once every day or two for about 1
second. It's starting to raise havoc with
long-lasting client sessions through the
affected APs.
We only have a couple of syncpipe parasitics
in stock; can one of these be swapped in
place of a basic to run a sync injector?
[AFMUG] 3.65 Wimax
Hey all, I'm curious, whom on the list is operating 3.65 GHz Wimax and what Base Station equipment do you operate? More specifically, is anyone using Purewave 6636 base stations? phil -- Philip J. Rankin Wireless Telecommunications Services PO Box 24 Pittsburg, KS 66762
Re: [AFMUG] About $12k
There is no SLA for just firmware updates. So if I want a firmware update say over a year after purchase how much would that cost? If I must have SLA to do that how much is that? Matt, I am a skeptic too, and it's always wise to watch vendors for slippery language, but I can tell you the company I work for does not have SLA and nobody is charging us for firmware updates. My only complaint is that I have to ask for them rather than having them available online whenever I want. Thanks Adam. As I understand there is another server you 'can' purchase to do authentication. Without it you just put the SM MAC or something manually in each AP and its limited to 50, is that right? What is the cost/costs of the server to do this to overcome 50 limit?
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320. Not sure what Mercury would say now. But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now? I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR. I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline. If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK. -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
Re: [AFMUG] About $12k
True about the pull vs. push. That is one of the things Mimosa has done so well -- tools to manage the entire life cycle of the purchase experience. Their online mechanisms are fantastic. We are lacking on that side, but we are deep in the process of fixing it. When Telrad took over that side of the business from Alvarion there was a lot to be worked on. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 1:26 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/4/2015 1:21 PM, Matt wrote: There is no SLA for just firmware updates. So if I want a firmware update say over a year after purchase how much would that cost? If I must have SLA to do that how much is that? Matt, I am a skeptic too, and it's always wise to watch vendors for slippery language, but I can tell you the company I work for does not have SLA and nobody is charging us for firmware updates. My only complaint is that I have to ask for them rather than having them available online whenever I want. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
That may be a good point Ken. I am using the SDR term in the sense that Vanu Bose used it, who is one of the inventors. He explained this to me and other invited panelists on the FCC's Spectrum Policy Task Force in 2002. I'm using it in the sense of materially changing a piece of equipment from one protocol to another entirely via software independent of the hardware. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 1:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320. Not sure what Mercury would say now. But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now? I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR. I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline. If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK. -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Router VLAN
That would make it untagged. I think dot1q on the physical interface and then dot1q sub-interfaces would give you QinQ. Never tried it. I don't have much Cisco VLAN experience outside of switching. Mikrotik is so much easier.. and cheaper. :) On 3/4/2015 2:11 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: What does native at the end of the command do? I also discovered that when I use the vlan-id dot1q VLAN command on the physical interface, as well as putting the IP address there, I can ping. Not sure what the disconnect with the sub interface is... On Wednesday, March 4, 2015, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: encapsulation dot1q VLAN_ID native? Unless I'm confused what you're asking for... On 3/4/2015 1:28 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: If I have an incoming VLAN tag that I want to strip on a Cisco router, how would I do so? I've got a sub interface configured on the physical interface where the VLAN enters the router, the correct VLAN number, and an IP address on the same network as the device at the other end of the cable configured on the sub interface. Still unable to ping anything. Is there a command I'm missing here? I had a Mikrotik router in the same location that I currently have the Cisco and didn't have any issues.
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux basic versus parasitic?
Looks like the GPS is losing lock.
The counters I'm talking about are on the analog tab
On Mar 4, 2015 8:58 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I reset these counters about a week ago. I think this is not normal?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 1:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
There are some pulse counts on the syncinjectors which may help you
troubleshoot. Pulses used should go up by one every second, no more, no
less. None of the other counters should increment except very rarely.
If you're seeing anything else, shoot a couple of screenshots into
cust...@packetflux.com
On Mar 2, 2015 1:50 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Yes, there are issues I'm seeing with AutoSync on all bands with 13.2/
13.2.1. But 3GHz is... different, and I don't know why. I have a couple
APs on a SyncInjector and some single APs on parasitic pipes. I thought it
was just the SyncInjector or something else at the site until I started
seeing the same problems on the parasitics after just a few days of install
at new sites. They all have the on-board GPS disabled too. Random LBT hits,
the APs show inSync and outSync counts but no lost/acquired timing messages
in the event log, and the SyncInjector says nothing happened, SMs going
crazy losing session, APs reporting SMs out of range when things go nuts
and I have to reboot the AP(s). AutoSync+FreeRun get stuck in FreeRun.
Something in the FPGA code or some other logic screwed up. I have no idea,
so I hope Cambium can figure it out.
On 3/2/2015 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not this one. This one is running a pair of PMP450s in 5 GHz.
We're putting up a pair of PMP450s soon on different POPs; one will go
into a syncinjector, the other will be a CTM.
Is there some issue that you're seeing on the 3GHz varaiety?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 10:06 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
Doesn't matter. The RJ45's are just pass-thru. The new universal pipes
pull power from two pins, so it can be used with either PMP100/450 or 430
APs. But I always have the guys put the jumper out to the radio into the
center RJ45 and the cable from the injector to the RJ45 with the LEDs, just
as standard practice, not that it matters.
I do have a question for you about this though.. is this SyncInjector
running 3GHz 450 APs?
On 3/2/2015 11:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Thanks George!
i take it from the description that this boogers up the power/outputs
such that (ether?) RJ45 on the parasitic can be used to connect to the
syncinjector? One of the RJ45s has lights, and the other is just a
vanilla
shielded RJ45 (I'm looking at a rev H1). So I can just build this little
jumper for between the 6p6c and the adjacent RJ45, then use the outer RJ45
to connect to the syncinjector?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 9:44 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
Yes.
http://manuals.packetflux.com/index.php?page=using-a-syncpipe-parasitic-with-a-syncinjector
On 3/2/2015 11:25 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have a syncpipe basic that we think is starting to act up. It
seems to lose sync about once every day or two for about 1 second. It's
starting to raise havoc with long-lasting client sessions through the
affected APs.
We only have a couple of syncpipe parasitics in stock; can one of
these be swapped in place of a basic to run a sync injector?
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Not OSHA approved. I have a few spare ones you can borrow for a Compact. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I think I need to get my old hard hat out of the garage *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* On Mar 4, 2015 2:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You are the subject, sir. Just not of this thread. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Damn, how did my name get in the subject? *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they could make AirMax. I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though). On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320. Not sure what Mercury would say now. But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now? I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR. I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline. If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK. -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Almost everybody who has an SDR sells you on the notion that it can be upgraded later. Almost nobody ever actually does anything more than bug fixes, or minor tweaks. I think the only way Telrad might be odd with their SDR is that they actually made different firmware to convert the unit from WiMax to a completely different physical layer. The only other big SDR change I can think of in the WISP marketplace was Moto's transition from software scheduling to hardware scheduling. Maybe some of you old men remember another incident to refute this statement, but I think I'd say that having the ability to define the radio in software doesn't mean they'll actually do it. SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The answer is No. Case closed. /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt s...@genias.net wrote: PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
Re: [AFMUG] About $12k
On 3/4/2015 1:40 PM, Matt wrote: There is no SLA for just firmware updates. So if I want a firmware update say over a year after purchase how much would that cost? If I must have SLA to do that how much is that? Matt, I am a skeptic too, and it's always wise to watch vendors for slippery language, but I can tell you the company I work for does not have SLA and nobody is charging us for firmware updates. My only complaint is that I have to ask for them rather than having them available online whenever I want. Thanks Adam. As I understand there is another server you 'can' purchase to do authentication. Without it you just put the SM MAC or something manually in each AP and its limited to 50, is that right? What is the cost/costs of the server to do this to overcome 50 limit? I don't have prices at hand. If I did, I wouldn't be at liberty to share them. My understanding is that whether you use the built in EPC or the appliances you still license it per user. In our case, I don't have any EPC because we're running WiMax firmware which uses a completely different mechanism.which we still pay for. I imagine you'll have to hit Patrick for the breakdown.
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they could make AirMax. I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though). On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320. Not sure what Mercury would say now. But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now? I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR. I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline. If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK. -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
We do have one sub on a XW nanobeam running 5.6_beta talking to an XM
rocket on WDS. No issues.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 11:11 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Not seeing this on m2 or m5 nanobeams. Maybe you had bad hardware?
:: Josh Reynolds, CIO, SPITwSPOTS - Pardon any brevity, this message
was sent via mobile device
On Mar 4, 2015 7:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
I've found that Nanobeams have problems with WDS. I tried 5.5.9
and maybe 5.5.10? I emailed Ubnt but it never got anywhere.
Ended with putting up MT radios.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Rory Conaway
r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
And I’m not seeing the problem where I have XW clients talking
to XM Rockets. Now that I think about it, I had the Powerbeam
as the station and the PowerBridge as the AP. Dang, should
have flipped that and retested. The thing that caught me off
guard is that this has been working for several months, no
issues. It just randomly went weird.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:07 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw
firmware
No. Different architecture.
Think compiled for Arm vs x86 Windows.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 4, 2015 11:05 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the XM versus XW was just a hardware thing. Is it
possible to update a device that is on XM with XW?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:03 AM, Vince West wrote:
I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading
XM firmware with NSM, Rockets and NanoBridges. For
anything newer, like the NanoBeams we have been using the
XW firmware.
I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in
some of my rocket APs since we did these software
upgrades. I don't have any PowerBridges in service
anymore, so I can't speak for those.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway
r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
I know that was some discussion on this and some people
said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with
5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week
ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a
PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s
and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for
several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started
pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings.
After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and
replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved.
On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with
XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far.
Rory
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
You are the subject, sir. Just not of this thread. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Damn, how did my name get in the subject? *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they could make AirMax. I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though). On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320. Not sure what Mercury would say now. But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now? I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR. I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline. If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK. -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
That's the understanding of the term that I share. Thank you Jon. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 2:15 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they could make AirMax. I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though). On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320. Not sure what Mercury would say now. But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now? I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR. I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline. If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK. -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] poll: do you do your own DNS entirely in house?
Work: Authoritative: Yes, working on anycast via different datacenters with different ASNs instead of your ns3 example. Recursive: Yes, anycasted from multiple datacenters. Personal/consulting authoritative: Amazon Route53. I got back and forth on putting all authoritative on Route53. We host enough domains that the per-domain fixed costs aren't anything to sneeze at. Recursive is so easy and is a quick performance improvement for page load (watch how many different hosts are contacted for the average web page. Latency matters). No matter what, maintain the ability to change records without say, opening a ticket for a 3rd party. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:16 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: Ex: Authoritative ns1 and ns2 for your domains, ns3 authoritative in a different geographical location? Recursive/caching for clients? Control all your own MX and SPF records?
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Damn, how did my name get in the subject? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.netmailto:j...@tapodi.net wrote: Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they could make AirMax. I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though). On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320. Not sure what Mercury would say now. But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now? I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR. I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline. If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK. -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
I think it’s done all the time with the stuff the cellcos are deploying. Probably limited only by antennas. No way are they changing out basestations for every protocol or spectrum change like they did in the past. There are even systems where the software defined radio is remote in a centralized datacenter, I think it’s called C-RAN. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) Almost everybody who has an SDR sells you on the notion that it can be upgraded later.� Almost nobody ever actually does anything more than bug fixes, or minor tweaks. I think the only way Telrad might be odd with their SDR is that they actually made different firmware to convert the unit from WiMax to a completely different physical layer. The only other big SDR change I can think of in the WISP marketplace was Moto's transition from software scheduling to hardware scheduling.� Maybe some of you old men remember another incident to refute this statement, but I think I'd say that having the ability to define the radio in software doesn't mean they'll actually do it. SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The answer is No. Case closed. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net wrote: PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG
Well, I got it... but I am not so tense today. From: Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Yeah, I knew that… my attempt at levity, because the AFMUG list seems “tense” today J From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Its tomorrow Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 2:40 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: OK, I’m connected. It says “waiting for organizer”. So, what do I do for the next 23 hours and 20 minutes? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG dial in :) - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza To: Animal Farm Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Damn. I will be on tower if radio is bad or on drive back to El Paso on Thursday afternoon . Next time Jaime Solorza On Mar 3, 2015 7:25 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: When: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US Canada). Where: via link below AND call in number Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ...If you dareHell, if I dare. I have room for 100. No holds barred, but I warn you I'm an armed veteran and expert marksman. Given time we'll even run through the LTE interference thing. 1. Please join my meeting. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/471332645 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. Dial +1 (408) 650-3123 Access Code: 471-332-645 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 471-332-645 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad®, Android® or Windows Phone® device via the GoToMeeting app. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] About $12k
On 3/4/2015 1:21 PM, Matt wrote: There is no SLA for just firmware updates. So if I want a firmware update say over a year after purchase how much would that cost? If I must have SLA to do that how much is that? Matt, I am a skeptic too, and it's always wise to watch vendors for slippery language, but I can tell you the company I work for does not have SLA and nobody is charging us for firmware updates. My only complaint is that I have to ask for them rather than having them available online whenever I want.
Re: [AFMUG] poll: do you do your own DNS entirely in house?
we do ns1 and 2 authoritative and are building caching today. For our size operation there probably isnt a great deal of benefit to it, but it makes us feel like we are big time On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:16 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: Ex: Authoritative ns1 and ns2 for your domains, ns3 authoritative in a different geographical location? Recursive/caching for clients? Control all your own MX and SPF records? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
The guyed tower looks solidly built and guyed when I saw it a few weeks ago
on way to find a restaurant in Midland.
275 footer with dish at 150ft level
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 4, 2015 10:44 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Monopoles are subject to the vortex shedding problem causing them to
oscillate. If the axis of the sway causes the dish to aim high and then
low it would do exactly what Jaime is guessing it is doing.
I would suggest mount the antennas lower if possible and/or use smaller
dishes. There is plenty of signal.
2’ or 18” would still work just fine at that range.
*From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question
I would think the other way. Many guyed towers are not 100% stable in
rotation, and running a PTP link from one would likely require torque
arrestors.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:51 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
The FCC document they gave me says 21 dBm tx power and that what is set on
radios according to guy who hired me to help verify path. One 3 ft dish
is on huge guyed tower and another on a monopole with several other drums
and a sectors.They experience signal drops during high winds. my guess
just from little data giving to me is that monopole is oscillating enough
to affect path with signal drops.It is a very windy area and according
to their IT guy this is when they see some issues. Link doesn't drop
completely but alarms in windy season allot.
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Always listen to the manufacturer. I don't anyone has ever come up with
a case where their figure was noticeably off. Certainly never not on the
side of caution.
Are you using their full tx power or the tx power of the highest
modulation?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello Smart Dudes on the list:
Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what
someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free
space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine,
I am using unfaded urban area free space loss for mime. I use just free
space loss we are within 3db of each other. I added 1 db of cable loss
since I do not know if waveguide was used or many other details. I will
get all that information on site.
I have always engineered paths on conservative side since the start.
What are your thoughts Hobson?
Thx
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Aruba Networks?
They target the enterprise market. Way easier to work with than Cisco's enterprise WiFi system IMO. My apartment is a RF mess in 2.4Ghz. I've been cycling through WiFi vendors every quarter or two for the past couple of years to see how their products behave between my work, my wife's streaming work, etc. I have a pair of the Ruckus IAP93 (embedded controller, APs on same LAN work it out, otherwise all their stuff wants a controller) and they tag-team finding clear channels and shifting clients and AP channels around to dodge the neighbor's microwave, WiFi (my neighbors include appliance/telco service people that bring their trucks home at night with onboard WiFi hotspots), etc. Shorter range than UniFi at it's best but it's winning at it just works all the time. They have some interesting features too. The APs can build a VPN per SSID back to different endpoints so your cash registers go on the SSID that VPNs back to the billing system, staff VPNs to somewhere else, etc. They have neat teleworker/remote office boxes to send home with staff. One box VPNs back to your main office, does WiFi just like in the office for staff devices, and does PoE out to a desk phone. It tracks MOS score for the phone inside the VPN, etc. Built-in username/password for WPA2-Enterprise if you want (username/pass per employee) so you get the ease of WPA2-PSK with WPA2-Enterprise's per-user control. We still like UniFi for low to medium density in unchallenging environments, though I'm getting tired of hacking up UniFi controller config files to make handoff sorta work. I hear Xirrus is the best for high-density from people that do WiFi at large events (e.g. basketball stadium full of gamers) but haven't had a need/chance to play with it yet... On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I see HP bought them. Never heard of them. I would have thought that if they were any good this crowd would have been talking about this at some time or other.
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux basic versus parasitic?
Hey Forrest, any luck on the updated build for the Base-1's, minus the
web GUI of course? I would really like to get the .0 row via SNMPwalk so
my indexed Cacti template works for both Base-1's and 2's.
On 3/4/2015 3:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
There are some pulse counts on the syncinjectors which may help you
troubleshoot. Pulses used should go up by one every second, no more,
no less. None of the other counters should increment except very rarely.
If you're seeing anything else, shoot a couple of screenshots into
cust...@packetflux.com mailto:cust...@packetflux.com
On Mar 2, 2015 1:50 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Yes, there are issues I'm seeing with AutoSync on all bands with
13.2/13.2.1. http://13.2.1. But 3GHz is... different, and I
don't know why. I have a couple APs on a SyncInjector and some
single APs on parasitic pipes. I thought it was just the
SyncInjector or something else at the site until I started seeing
the same problems on the parasitics after just a few days of
install at new sites. They all have the on-board GPS disabled too.
Random LBT hits, the APs show inSync and outSync counts but no
lost/acquired timing messages in the event log, and the
SyncInjector says nothing happened, SMs going crazy losing
session, APs reporting SMs out of range when things go nuts and I
have to reboot the AP(s). AutoSync+FreeRun get stuck in FreeRun.
Something in the FPGA code or some other logic screwed up. I have
no idea, so I hope Cambium can figure it out.
On 3/2/2015 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not this one. This one is running a pair of PMP450s in 5 GHz.
We're putting up a pair of PMP450s soon on different POPs; one
will go into a syncinjector, the other will be a CTM.
Is there some issue that you're seeing on the 3GHz varaiety?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 10:06 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
Doesn't matter. The RJ45's are just pass-thru. The new
universal pipes pull power from two pins, so it can be
used with either PMP100/450 or 430 APs. But I always have
the guys put the jumper out to the radio into the center
RJ45 and the cable from the injector to the RJ45 with the
LEDs, just as standard practice, not that it matters.
I do have a question for you about this though.. is this
SyncInjector running 3GHz 450 APs?
On 3/2/2015 11:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Thanks George!
i take it from the description that this boogers up
the power/outputs such that (ether?) RJ45 on the
parasitic can be used to connect to the syncinjector?
One of the RJ45s has lights, and the other is just a
vanilla shielded RJ45 (I'm looking at a rev H1). So I
can just build this little jumper for between the 6p6c
and the adjacent RJ45, then use the outer RJ45 to
connect to the syncinjector?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/2/2015 9:44 AM, George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting) wrote:
Yes.
http://manuals.packetflux.com/index.php?page=using-a-syncpipe-parasitic-with-a-syncinjector
On 3/2/2015 11:25 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have a syncpipe basic that we think is
starting to act up. It seems to lose sync
about once every day or two for about 1
second. It's starting to raise havoc with
long-lasting client sessions through the
affected APs.
We only have a couple of syncpipe parasitics
in stock; can one of these be swapped in place
of a basic to run a sync injector?
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
Not seeing this on m2 or m5 nanobeams. Maybe you had bad hardware?
:: Josh Reynolds, CIO, SPITwSPOTS - Pardon any brevity, this message was sent via mobile device
On Mar 4, 2015 7:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:Ive found that Nanobeams have problems with WDS. I tried 5.5.9 and maybe 5.5.10? I emailed Ubnt but it never got anywhere. Ended with putting up MT radios.Josh LuthmanOffice: 937-552-2340Direct: 937-552-23431100 Wayne StSuite 1337Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Rory Conaway rory@triadwireless.net wrote:
And I’m not seeing the problem where I have XW clients talking to XM Rockets. Now that I think about it, I had the Powerbeam as the station and the PowerBridge
as the AP. Dang, should have flipped that and retested. The thing that caught me off guard is that this has been working for several months, no issues. It just randomly went weird.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
No. Different architecture.
Think compiled for Arm vs x86 Windows.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 4, 2015 11:05 AM, Bill Prince part15sbs@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the XM versus XW was just a hardware thing. Is it possible to update a device that is on XM with XW?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 8:03 AM, Vince West wrote:
I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading XM firmware with NSM, Rockets and NanoBridges. For anything newer, like the NanoBeams we have been using the XW firmware.
I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in some of my rocket APs since we did these software upgrades. I dont have any PowerBridges in service anymore, so I cant speak for those.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway rory@triadwireless.net wrote:
I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge
talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings.
After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved.
On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far.
Rory
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they could make AirMax. I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though). On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320. Not sure what Mercury would say now. But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now? I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR. I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline. If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK. -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG
Its tomorrow Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 2:40 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: OK, I’m connected. It says “waiting for organizer”. So, what do I do for the next 23 hours and 20 minutes? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG dial in :) - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorzamailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Damn. I will be on tower if radio is bad or on drive back to El Paso on Thursday afternoon . Next time Jaime Solorza On Mar 3, 2015 7:25 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: When: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US Canada). Where: via link below AND call in number Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ...If you dareHell, if I dare. I have room for 100. No holds barred, but I warn you I'm an armed veteran and expert marksman. Given time we'll even run through the LTE interference thing. 1. Please join my meeting. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/471332645 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. Dial +1 (408) 650-3123tel:%2B1%20%28408%29%20650-3123 Access Code: 471-332-645 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 471-332-645 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad®, Android® or Windows Phone® device via the GoToMeeting app. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Years ago I dug into the LTE protocol to see what it really was. My
recollection is it is a collection of a bunch of different modulation formats
that can be used as appropriate. I think it was expandable and built for
future flavors of modulation. Seems like one of the formats was very much like
WiMax. Again at least 5-7 years since I read that document.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
What are the significant differences between LTE and WiMax? They're both OFDM,
they're both MIMO. I guess that LTE is 4x4 (I don't know)? Just wondering
what the technical challenges might look like.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
My understanding was that it was an FPGA and software based platform. And
that PW bought the design from Design Arts Networks so they could modify it, as
opposed to just licensing the design. Not just adding extensions to drivers
for an ASIC.
I think the point Patrick is trying to make is Telrad designed their hardware
from the outset to handle both WIMAX and LTE, with WIMAX coming out first, but
same HW being upgradable via SW to LTE. And that now they have actually done
it, which is significant, because many engineering teams in history have said
“it’s a SMOP (small matter of programming)” and then had to admit defeat and
change the hardware.
From: Jon Auer
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:15 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they
could make AirMax.
I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe
you replace the transciever/amps first though).
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software?
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320. Not sure what Mercury would say
now. But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now? I
don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.
I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury,
not the part that went to Redline.
If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.
-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
PW is not SDR based
So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
No chin strap, so yes definitely useless for climbing. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 2:35 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Not OSHA approved. I have a few spare ones you can borrow for a Compact. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I think I need to get my old hard hat out of the garage Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 2:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You are the subject, sir. Just not of this thread. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Damn, how did my name get in the subject? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.netmailto:j...@tapodi.net wrote: Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they could make AirMax. I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though). On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320. Not sure what Mercury would say now. But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now? I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR. I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline. If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK. -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Alvarion had that as a dream, but was never able to realize it. It was only achieved under the Telrad banner, but yes I do remember some months back more a competing vendor telling people it was impossible to convert from WiMAX to LTE without a hardware change. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 2:36 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: My understanding was that it was an FPGA and software based platform. And that PW bought the design from Design Arts Networks so they could modify it, as opposed to just licensing the design. Not just adding extensions to drivers for an ASIC. I think the point Patrick is trying to make is Telrad designed their hardware from the outset to handle both WIMAX and LTE, with WIMAX coming out first, but same HW being upgradable via SW to LTE. And that now they have actually done it, which is significant, because many engineering teams in history have said “it’s a SMOP (small matter of programming)” and then had to admit defeat and change the hardware. From: Jon Auermailto:j...@tapodi.net Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:15 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they could make AirMax. I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though). On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320. Not sure what Mercury would say now. But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now? I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR. I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline. If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK. -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Correct. That was an important achievement that deserves recognition.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Cambium did a firmware update to add 256QAM. That is nothing to sneeze at.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/4/2015 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Almost everybody who has an SDR sells you on the notion that it can be upgraded
later. Almost nobody ever actually does anything more than bug fixes, or minor
tweaks.
I think the only way Telrad might be odd with their SDR is that they actually
made different firmware to convert the unit from WiMax to a completely
different physical layer.
The only other big SDR change I can think of in the WISP marketplace was Moto's
transition from software scheduling to hardware scheduling. Maybe some of you
old men remember another incident to refute this statement, but I think I'd say
that having the ability to define the radio in software doesn't mean they'll
actually do it.
SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The
answer is No. Case closed.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt
s...@genias.netmailto:s...@genias.net wrote:
PW is not SDR based
So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
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Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
understand - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Fortunately we did not have a lot of users on 900, we were using it for distance but once we found the WARM grid antennas we were able to get stable links on 2.4 Just wasn’t worth the fight. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Did you ever talk to any of your state reps in congress? - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Yep, lived it. The discussions PGE ended with “Our lawyers say we are in compliance, take it up with them”. OK then…. We managed to keep some links up, but ultimately it relegated 900 to very low density neighborhoods and links that needed to be -65 or better at both ends. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and smart meters. While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to take it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance of using the spectrum for commercial purposes. By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power meter in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites, has raised the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high speed communications. So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz for its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum in affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think they expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum. I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can deploy in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1 million units. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG
Patrick, We embrace change and evolution its what has kept this company going for 3 generations. I just think of new tech as a chance to evolve or have that extra tool in the toolbox If you can please send me some specs on the gear and the antennas or brochures. Thanks Dave On 03/04/2015 02:09 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Change or die. I've loved change all my life. This can be problematic. And expensive. Case in point, I'm on my 3rd marriage...and determined not to change that again. *Patrick Leary* ***M*727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG When someone sucks and they're told they suck, they cry. When someone doesn't suck and they're told they suck, they prove they're not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, March 4, 2015 2:01:05 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG I'm not tense at all. Chuck H. (not the Chuck Ms) is very tense though. I'm treading on thin ice over on the WISPA list, but it is the Telrad list. *Patrick Leary* *M*727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Well, I got it... but I am not so tense today. *From:*Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net *Sent:*Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:46 PM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Yeah, I knew that… my attempt at levity, because the AFMUG list seems “tense” today J *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Leary *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Its tomorrow /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ On Mar 4, 2015 2:40 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: OK, I’m connected. It says “waiting for organizer”. So, what do I do for the next 23 hours and 20 minutes? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG dial in :) - Original Message - *From:*Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To:*Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:34 PM *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Damn. I will be on tower if radio is bad or on drive back to El Paso on Thursday afternoon . Next time Jaime Solorza On Mar 3, 2015 7:25 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: When: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US Canada). Where: via link below AND call in number Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ...If you dareHell, if I dare. I have room for 100. No holds barred, but I warn you I'm an armed veteran and expert marksman. Given time we'll even run through the LTE interference thing. 1. Please join my meeting. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/471332645 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. Dial +1 (408) 650-3123 tel:%2B1%20%28408%29%20650-3123 Access Code: 471-332-645 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 471-332-645 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad®, Android® or Windows Phone® device via the GoToMeeting app. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] Welcome to the Af mailing list
'Tis a fine day, laddy! Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Welcome to the Af mailing list Test, I'm back! Respectively, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of af-requ...@afmug.com af-requ...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:25 PM To: Rick Harnish Subject: Welcome to the Af mailing list Welcome to the Af@afmug.com mailing list! To post to this list, send your message to: af@afmug.com General information about the mailing list is at: http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://afmug.com/mailman/options/af/rharnish%40fibertothefarm.com You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: af-requ...@afmug.com with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe without confirmation. It is: zuerafwu Normally, Mailman will remind you of your afmug.com mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG
I don't care for brochures. May I send you actual manuals? Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D0568F.9B1B8B10]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Patrick, We embrace change and evolution its what has kept this company going for 3 generations. I just think of new tech as a chance to evolve or have that extra tool in the toolbox If you can please send me some specs on the gear and the antennas or brochures. Thanks Dave On 03/04/2015 02:09 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Change or die. I've loved change all my life. This can be problematic. And expensive. Case in point, I'm on my 3rd marriage...and determined not to change that again. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D0568F.9B1B8B10]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:03 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG When someone sucks and they're told they suck, they cry. When someone doesn't suck and they're told they suck, they prove they're not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 2:01:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG I'm not tense at all. Chuck H. (not the Chuck Ms) is very tense though. I'm treading on thin ice over on the WISPA list, but it is the Telrad list. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D0568F.9B1B8B10]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:49 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Well, I got it... but I am not so tense today. From: Paul McCallmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Yeah, I knew that… my attempt at levity, because the AFMUG list seems “tense” today ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Its tomorrow Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 2:40 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: OK, I’m connected. It says “waiting for organizer”. So, what do I do for the next 23 hours and 20 minutes? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:49 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG dial in :) - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorzamailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Damn. I will be on tower if radio is bad or on drive back to El Paso on Thursday afternoon . Next time Jaime Solorza On Mar 3, 2015 7:25 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: When: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US Canada). Where: via link below AND call in number Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ...If you dareHell, if I dare. I have room for 100. No holds barred, but I warn you I'm an armed veteran and expert marksman. Given time we'll even run through the LTE interference thing. 1. Please join my meeting. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/471332645 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. Dial +1 (408) 650-3123tel:%2B1%20%28408%29%20650-3123 Access Code: 471-332-645 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 471-332-645 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad®, Android® or Windows Phone® device via the GoToMeeting app. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
I will beg to differ. The cellcos are constantly changing radios. My dealing are with ATT and VZW. The old analog bays were swapped for CDMA(Verizon) and TDMA(ATT) style radios. Completely different radio sets. Then LTE launched. Verizon installed brand new Lucent LTE base stations. Now with xLTE, the radios are changing again. Even within Verizon, they switched manufacturers for the CDMA and PCS gear from Lucent to Nortel. Then back to Lucent for LTE. They are constantly swapping radio systems. I have been involved in network upgrades and radio installations for Verizon and ATT for years. Not so much anymore. Hard to find good help and I dont feel like running the roads to install that stuff anymore. Jon Paul Kelley CKS Wireless From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) I think its done all the time with the stuff the cellcos are deploying. Probably limited only by antennas. No way are they changing out basestations for every protocol or spectrum change like they did in the past. There are even systems where the software defined radio is remote in a centralized datacenter, I think its called C-RAN. From: Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) Almost everybody who has an SDR sells you on the notion that it can be upgraded later.� Almost nobody ever actually does anything more than bug fixes, or minor tweaks. I think the only way Telrad might be odd with their SDR is that they actually made different firmware to convert the unit from WiMax to a completely different physical layer. The only other big SDR change I can think of in the WISP marketplace was Moto's transition from software scheduling to hardware scheduling.� Maybe some of you old men remember another incident to refute this statement, but I think I'd say that having the ability to define the radio in software doesn't mean they'll actually do it. SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The answer is No. Case closed. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net wrote: PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
Re: [AFMUG] Welcome to the Af mailing list
well lookee here! - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Welcome to the Af mailing list Test, I'm back! Respectively, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of af-requ...@afmug.com af-requ...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:25 PM To: Rick Harnish Subject: Welcome to the Af mailing list Welcome to the Af@afmug.com mailing list! To post to this list, send your message to: af@afmug.com General information about the mailing list is at: http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://afmug.com/mailman/options/af/rharnish%40fibertothefarm.com You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: af-requ...@afmug.com with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe without confirmation. It is: zuerafwu Normally, Mailman will remind you of your afmug.com mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you.
Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG
Please try again. Your ip was on a Mid-evil blacklist I had in place a few years back. Thanks Dave On 03/04/2015 02:34 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: David, direct mails to you get bounced back...Have an alternative mail? *Patrick Leary* ***M*727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:21 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Patrick, We embrace change and evolution its what has kept this company going for 3 generations. I just think of new tech as a chance to evolve or have that extra tool in the toolbox If you can please send me some specs on the gear and the antennas or brochures. Thanks Dave On 03/04/2015 02:09 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Change or die. I've loved change all my life. This can be problematic. And expensive. Case in point, I'm on my 3rd marriage...and determined not to change that again. *Patrick Leary* *M*727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG When someone sucks and they're told they suck, they cry. When someone doesn't suck and they're told they suck, they prove they're not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, March 4, 2015 2:01:05 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG I'm not tense at all. Chuck H. (not the Chuck Ms) is very tense though. I'm treading on thin ice over on the WISPA list, but it is the Telrad list. *Patrick Leary* *M*727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Well, I got it... but I am not so tense today. *From:*Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net *Sent:*Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:46 PM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Yeah, I knew that… my attempt at levity, because the AFMUG list seems “tense” today J *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Leary *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Its tomorrow /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ On Mar 4, 2015 2:40 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: OK, I’m connected. It says “waiting for organizer”. So, what do I do for the next 23 hours and 20 minutes? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG dial in :) - Original Message - *From:*Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To:*Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:34 PM *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG Damn. I will be on tower if radio is bad or on drive back to El Paso on Thursday afternoon . Next time Jaime Solorza On Mar 3, 2015 7:25 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: When: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US Canada). Where: via link below AND call in number Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ...If you dareHell, if I dare. I have room for 100. No holds barred, but I warn you I'm an armed veteran and expert marksman. Given time we'll even run through the LTE interference thing. 1. Please join my meeting. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/471332645 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. Dial +1 (408) 650-3123 tel:%2B1%20%28408%29%20650-3123 Access Code: 471-332-645 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 471-332-645
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback
Please send me a name, offlist. My understanding has been otherwise and very clearly so. I am going to verify though. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 4:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback My Telrad contact told me that the actual HW is not upgradable to 256 QAM. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) (Patrick Leary)
They did not promise an LTE-Upgrade. I dont know if their SDR would be flexible enough to do this. I guess SDR gives some kind of upgradability but there are limits. SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The answer is No. Case closed. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt s...@genias.net wrote: PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150304/8c1b148a/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 11:45:38 -0700 From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Metric conduit, cable glands Message-ID: caewy7_t+ha2_cl3w9i7mje7f_7rww5xog1ghb8uu6ggdsjy...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Can you remove that connector? If yes. Replace it with liquid tight system and use small piece of their flex tubing. Add connector at the end and tighten up...might need some vinyl butly to protect fiber and seal... Jaime Solorza On Mar 4, 2015 11:36 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: So a lot of our equipment has cable glands with a metric thread on them. Like M25x1.5. I have a scenario where I might want to extend that. Well here, I'll just show you: There's an SFP slot in there and an LC patch cord. The rubber grommet in the cable gland can't fit around the LC connector, nor would I want to compress that when I tighten the nut. Furthermore I've got the fiber manufacturer telling me that there will be a 10 long furcation tube coming out of the outdoor cable, and that has to be protected from the elements. Plan A is ask the manufacturer what they're plan was (I assume they had something in mind when they put the SFP there). Plan B is buy a foot long nipple and a couplerbut it's M25 and I can't seem to find metric pipe and fittings from a US vendor. Plan C is whatever brilliant solution one of you came up with after having already had this problem. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150304/51cd1519/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dijghecj.png Type: image/png Size: 299887 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150304/51cd1519/attachment.png -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Af mailing list Af@afmug.com http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af -- End of Af Digest, Vol 7, Issue 203 **
Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] ack....here we go again
Sweet Home Alabama. Roll Tide Jay. When is the next meeting. I want to come. Time to hit the Sea-N-Suds on a 95’ day. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org; tel...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA Members] ackhere we go again the sun has come out and it's 74. why am i sitting here? its no longer foggy and gloomy like it was all morning. need to go enjoy this four hours of sanity ; ice and snow returns tonight!! (i kid you not) - Original Message - From: CBB - Jay Fuller mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Welcome to the Af mailing list well lookee here! - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Welcome to the Af mailing list Test, I'm back! Respectively, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of af-requ...@afmug.com mailto:af-requ...@afmug.com af-requ...@afmug.com mailto:af-requ...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:25 PM To: Rick Harnish Subject: Welcome to the Af mailing list Welcome to the Af@afmug.com mailto:Af@afmug.com mailing list! To post to this list, send your message to: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com General information about the mailing list is at: http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://afmug.com/mailman/options/af/rharnish%40fibertothefarm.com You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: af-requ...@afmug.com mailto:af-requ...@afmug.com with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe without confirmation. It is: zuerafwu Normally, Mailman will remind you of your afmug.com mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you.
Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) (Patrick Leary)
Depends how far they take it; how deep the design and build goes. I subscribe to Jon's position, which means the ability to completely shift protocols. I think our BTS has something like 8 cores in it. I'm just told there is lots of latent capacity we are reserving for major capabilities as LTE advances. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 4:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) (Patrick Leary) They did not promise an LTE-Upgrade. I dont know if their SDR would be flexible enough to do this. I guess SDR gives some kind of upgradability but there are limits. SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The answer is No. Case closed. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt s...@genias.net wrote: PW is not SDR based So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements. Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150304/8c1b148a/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 11:45:38 -0700 From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Metric conduit, cable glands Message-ID: caewy7_t+ha2_cl3w9i7mje7f_7rww5xog1ghb8uu6ggdsjy...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Can you remove that connector? If yes. Replace it with liquid tight system and use small piece of their flex tubing. Add connector at the end and tighten up...might need some vinyl butly to protect fiber and seal... Jaime Solorza On Mar 4, 2015 11:36 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: So a lot of our equipment has cable glands with a metric thread on them. Like M25x1.5. I have a scenario where I might want to extend that. Well here, I'll just show you: There's an SFP slot in there and an LC patch cord. The rubber grommet in the cable gland can't fit around the LC connector, nor would I want to compress that when I tighten the nut. Furthermore I've got the fiber manufacturer telling me that there will be a 10 long furcation tube coming out of the outdoor cable, and that has to be protected from the elements. Plan A is ask the manufacturer what they're plan was (I assume they had something in mind when they put the SFP there). Plan B is buy a foot long nipple and a couplerbut it's M25 and I can't seem to find metric pipe and fittings from a US vendor. Plan C is whatever brilliant solution one of you came up with after having already had this problem. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150304/51cd1519/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dijghecj.png Type: image/png Size: 299887 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150304/51cd1519/attachment.png -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Af mailing list Af@afmug.com http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af -- End of Af Digest, Vol 7, Issue 203 ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
