Re: [AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

5.7 right now, with DFS certification in the works.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:53 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
> 
> Does the announced product work in 5.4? Or just 5.7?
> 
> Tushar
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>> 
>> I think he ment 5.1-5.7 ghz
>> 
>>> On Friday, September 30, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:
>>> 3GHz next year. If you're wanting it for 2.4, forget it. I doubt they'll 
>>> even do a 450i in 2.4, but I could be wrong. 2.4 has turned into 900, 
>>> completely sucks, we gave up on it.
>>> 
 On 9/30/2016 12:58 PM, Matt wrote:
 Great news.  When will the lower bands be available?
 
 
 On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Matt Mangriotis
  wrote:
> The PMP 450m was issued a grant today.  This is the first commercially 
> available Multi-User MIMO product in 5 GHz!
> 
> 
> 
> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY=500_code=_id=gR2HF80%2FF77q7CNU2n2zSw%3D%3D_id=QWP-50450M
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully, those that have placed orders will be seeing them very soon.
> 
> 
> 
> (Is Gino on holiday??? He usually takes care of these things…)
> 
> 
> 
> Matt Mangriotis
> 
> Senior Product Manager
> Cambium Networks
> 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
> 
> Rolling Meadows, IL 60008
> 
> 
> 
> www.cambiumnetworks.com
> O: 847-439-6379
> 
> M: 630-308-9394
> E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com
> 
> 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

[Tushar Patel]

Does the announced product work in 5.4? Or just 5.7?

Tushar


> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> I think he ment 5.1-5.7 ghz
> 
>> On Friday, September 30, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:
>> 3GHz next year. If you're wanting it for 2.4, forget it. I doubt they'll 
>> even do a 450i in 2.4, but I could be wrong. 2.4 has turned into 900, 
>> completely sucks, we gave up on it.
>> 
>>> On 9/30/2016 12:58 PM, Matt wrote:
>>> Great news.  When will the lower bands be available?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Matt Mangriotis
>>>  wrote:
 The PMP 450m was issued a grant today.  This is the first commercially 
 available Multi-User MIMO product in 5 GHz!
 
 
 
 https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY=500_code=_id=gR2HF80%2FF77q7CNU2n2zSw%3D%3D_id=QWP-50450M
 
 
 
 Hopefully, those that have placed orders will be seeing them very soon.
 
 
 
 (Is Gino on holiday??? He usually takes care of these things…)
 
 
 
 Matt Mangriotis
 
 Senior Product Manager
 Cambium Networks
 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
 
 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008
 
 
 
 www.cambiumnetworks.com
 O: 847-439-6379
 
 M: 630-308-9394
 E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com

Re: [AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I thought Mimosa A5 Omni was Mu-Mimo? I can't afford the Cambium AP's
anymore. Last 4 towers I did were Mimosa and getting more throughput to the
customers and has saved me $6000-$7500 so far. Although I havn't got the
towers loaded up with many customers so we will see

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> 4th quarter next year IIRC...around the time the SAS might be available.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
> I think he ment 5.1-5.7 ghz
>
>
> Yep.  But time frame on 3.6 would be interesting.  Early next year,
> late next year or what month next year?
>
>
> On Friday, September 30, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>
> 3GHz next year. If you're wanting it for 2.4, forget it. I doubt they'll
>
> even do a 450i in 2.4, but I could be wrong. 2.4 has turned into 900,
>
> completely sucks, we gave up on it.
>
>
> On 9/30/2016 12:58 PM, Matt wrote:
>
>
> Great news.  When will the lower bands be available?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Matt Mangriotis
>
>  wrote:
>
>
> The PMP 450m was issued a grant today.  This is the first commercially
>
> available Multi-User MIMO product in 5 GHz!
>
>
>
>
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.
> cfm?mode=COPY=500_code=_id=
> gR2HF80%2FF77q7CNU2n2zSw%3D%3D_id=QWP-50450M
>
>
>
>
> Hopefully, those that have placed orders will be seeing them very soon.
>
>
>
>
> (Is Gino on holiday??? He usually takes care of these things…)
>
>
>
>
> Matt Mangriotis
>
>
> Senior Product Manager
>
> Cambium Networks
>
> 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
>
>
> Rolling Meadows, IL 60008
>
>
>
>
> www.cambiumnetworks.com
>
> O: 847-439-6379
>
>
> M: 630-308-9394
>
> E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

4th quarter next year IIRC...around the time the SAS might be available.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Matt  wrote:

>> I think he ment 5.1-5.7 ghz
> 
> Yep.  But time frame on 3.6 would be interesting.  Early next year,
> late next year or what month next year?
> 
>> 
>>> On Friday, September 30, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 3GHz next year. If you're wanting it for 2.4, forget it. I doubt they'll
>>> even do a 450i in 2.4, but I could be wrong. 2.4 has turned into 900,
>>> completely sucks, we gave up on it.
>>> 
 On 9/30/2016 12:58 PM, Matt wrote:
 
 Great news.  When will the lower bands be available?
 
 
 On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Matt Mangriotis
  wrote:
> 
> The PMP 450m was issued a grant today.  This is the first commercially
> available Multi-User MIMO product in 5 GHz!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY=500_code=_id=gR2HF80%2FF77q7CNU2n2zSw%3D%3D_id=QWP-50450M
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully, those that have placed orders will be seeing them very soon.
> 
> 
> 
> (Is Gino on holiday??? He usually takes care of these things…)
> 
> 
> 
> Matt Mangriotis
> 
> Senior Product Manager
> Cambium Networks
> 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
> 
> Rolling Meadows, IL 60008
> 
> 
> 
> www.cambiumnetworks.com
> O: 847-439-6379
> 
> M: 630-308-9394
> E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com
> 
> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

[Matt]

> I think he ment 5.1-5.7 ghz

Yep.  But time frame on 3.6 would be interesting.  Early next year,
late next year or what month next year?

>
> On Friday, September 30, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:
>>
>> 3GHz next year. If you're wanting it for 2.4, forget it. I doubt they'll
>> even do a 450i in 2.4, but I could be wrong. 2.4 has turned into 900,
>> completely sucks, we gave up on it.
>>
>> On 9/30/2016 12:58 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>
>>> Great news.  When will the lower bands be available?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Matt Mangriotis
>>>  wrote:

 The PMP 450m was issued a grant today.  This is the first commercially
 available Multi-User MIMO product in 5 GHz!




 https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY=500_code=_id=gR2HF80%2FF77q7CNU2n2zSw%3D%3D_id=QWP-50450M



 Hopefully, those that have placed orders will be seeing them very soon.



 (Is Gino on holiday??? He usually takes care of these things…)



 Matt Mangriotis

 Senior Product Manager
 Cambium Networks
 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360

 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008



 www.cambiumnetworks.com
 O: 847-439-6379

 M: 630-308-9394
 E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com


>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

[Gino Villarini]

I think he ment 5.1-5.7 ghz

On Friday, September 30, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:

> 3GHz next year. If you're wanting it for 2.4, forget it. I doubt they'll
> even do a 450i in 2.4, but I could be wrong. 2.4 has turned into 900,
> completely sucks, we gave up on it.
>
> On 9/30/2016 12:58 PM, Matt wrote:
>
>> Great news.  When will the lower bands be available?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Matt Mangriotis
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> The PMP 450m was issued a grant today.  This is the first commercially
>>> available Multi-User MIMO product in 5 GHz!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?
>>> mode=COPY=500_code=_id=gR2HF
>>> 80%2FF77q7CNU2n2zSw%3D%3D_id=QWP-50450M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hopefully, those that have placed orders will be seeing them very soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (Is Gino on holiday??? He usually takes care of these things…)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt Mangriotis
>>>
>>> Senior Product Manager
>>> Cambium Networks
>>> 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
>>>
>>> Rolling Meadows, IL 60008
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.cambiumnetworks.com
>>> O: 847-439-6379
>>>
>>> M: 630-308-9394
>>> E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450i + PacketFlux Rev i0 sync

[George Skorup]

And sync over power died on FSK radios frequent enough that we went to 
timing port only at every FSK site. And of course we still have to 
maintain it until we get all of the customers moved off, which is a 
metric shitload.


I have some pure 450 and mixed 450/FSK sites where GPS just goes stupid. 
We put a SyncBox on top and a SyncInjector at the bottom on its own 
pipe. Had to have redundant timing at least for the 450 clusters.


On 9/30/2016 10:51 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
We use it for top-of-tower applications (mostly FSK) where we have 
Netonix (or other PoE) but don't have SyncInjectors.


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:47 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:


not dismissing your current issue, but why do serial sync at all
now with syncinjectors as inexpensive as they are?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:

The 4 port syncbox Jr will be shipping either just before or
just after wispapalooza.  It will be the same price as the
deluxe syncbox jr.

The rackinjector is at the stage that it could appear on our
store for preorders for wispapalooza, with shipping almost
certainly happening before the end of the year.   I'll have
the current prototype at wispapalooza to show off.  The only
reason why I'm soft on the ship date is that I've had enough
nightmares trying to find an enclosure vendor that  I am still
unreasonably skeptical that enclosures are actually going to
show up here when I expect them to.  That's also the reason
I'm debating whether preorders are a good idea.

If you have a SiteMonitor Base Unit you can turn off sync , or
you can simply disconnect the SyncPipe or syncbox.


On Sep 30, 2016 8:37 AM, "Matt" > wrote:

> FYI, we'll be showing a 4 Port SyncBox Jr at WISPAPALOOZA
which has RJ45's and will be powered from the 450i aux
port directly, just like a ugps, but without the awkward
custom cable.

What will pricing be on this unit and shipping ETA?  Is
there a way in
a syncinjector to turn off sync over power on a given
port?  I am
still have issues with getting stable 1Gbps on long cable
runs on
450i.  Just ran into issue on a 280 foot tower of being
locked at
10mbps.  Happened on a tower upgrade job but too late in
the evening
to investigate further.  Hopefully just a faulty connector.

Where is our 1U syncinjector? ;-)




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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[Joe Falaschi]

I’m really not familiar with all of the iterations and such.  Erich hooked me 
up.  Thanks guys!

Joe



> On Sep 30, 2016, at 4:35 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> Straight edge on the new style OMU would probably work since the silicone 
> gasket should allow it to seal. But not the other way around. Rounded cover 
> on a straight edge OMU interface just won't fit.
> 
> On 9/30/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> The new style doesn’t work?  I thought it was just roomier to accommodate 
>> SFP and fiber better, you  can’t put the new cover on an old radio?
>>   <>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of George Skorup
>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 4:10 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover
>>  
>> I ordered 5 of them a couple months ago. Sorry, they're all used now. Guess 
>> it was a good thing we got them when we did.
>> 
>> I know that style isn't produced anymore. You could beg them to find one 
>> floating around the lab or something. Or maybe Erich Kaiser has one. If not, 
>> then I don't have a clue who else might.
>> 
>> On 9/30/2016 12:37 PM, Joe Falaschi wrote:
>> Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?  Supposedly Trango 
>> doesn’t have these or make them anymore and of course we lost one.  This is 
>> the square edge version not the curved one.
>>  
>> Joe Falaschi
>> e-vergent
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[George Skorup]

+1

Then you become a giant corporation and eye unlicensed and lite licensed 
spectrum for small cell LTE. Maybe try to get government $ to do it too.


I'm in one of those moods today.

On 9/30/2016 2:03 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
This.  Specifically a WISP though.  With unlimited money I'd be 
putting fiber absolutely everywhere.


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:


Let me ask a more obvious question.  If you had an unlimited
amount of money, Why would you start an ISP.

Steve B.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

Well if we've got unlimited money I'd choose Cambium too...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:17 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:

I would bet the vast majority of the UBNT fanboy base, if starting
fresh, with pockets of dough would choose cambium hands down. They
just started with UBNT cause they didnt have dough. Its like
marrying the fat girl

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

Cambium (and Motorola before them) have a long history of putting
in the features ISP need and want, releasing stable firmware, not
having blatant security vulnerabilities, being pretty darn easy to
use, being well documented, releasing useful software for
management, and being priced at an attainable level even if it's
not the cheapest.  The number of times I fixed a problem by
rebooting a Canopy AP is basically zero.

UBNT is cheaper, and probably good enough in many cases.  In
business, good enough and cheaper is sometimes a hard combo to
argue with, but I would if it was me I would do Cambium.

(disclaimer: I have not touched any Ubiquiti newer than M series)



-- Original Message --
From: "Sam Morris" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/30/2016 9:47:16 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely
on performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the
other would you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and
CPE/SM hardware (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?

Thanks,
Sam



-- 


If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

[George Skorup]

3GHz next year. If you're wanting it for 2.4, forget it. I doubt they'll 
even do a 450i in 2.4, but I could be wrong. 2.4 has turned into 900, 
completely sucks, we gave up on it.


On 9/30/2016 12:58 PM, Matt wrote:

Great news.  When will the lower bands be available?


On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Matt Mangriotis
 wrote:

The PMP 450m was issued a grant today.  This is the first commercially 
available Multi-User MIMO product in 5 GHz!



https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY=500_code=_id=gR2HF80%2FF77q7CNU2n2zSw%3D%3D_id=QWP-50450M



Hopefully, those that have placed orders will be seeing them very soon.



(Is Gino on holiday??? He usually takes care of these things…)



Matt Mangriotis

Senior Product Manager
Cambium Networks
3800 Golf Road, Suite 360

Rolling Meadows, IL 60008



www.cambiumnetworks.com
O: 847-439-6379

M: 630-308-9394
E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[George Skorup]

Straight edge on the new style OMU would probably work since the 
silicone gasket should allow it to seal. But not the other way around. 
Rounded cover on a straight edge OMU interface just won't fit.


On 9/30/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


The new style doesn’t work?  I thought it was just roomier to 
accommodate SFP and fiber better, you  can’t put the new cover on an 
old radio?


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 4:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

I ordered 5 of them a couple months ago. Sorry, they're all used now. 
Guess it was a good thing we got them when we did.


I know that style isn't produced anymore. You could beg them to find 
one floating around the lab or something. Or maybe Erich Kaiser has 
one. If not, then I don't have a clue who else might.


On 9/30/2016 12:37 PM, Joe Falaschi wrote:

Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?  Supposedly
Trango doesn’t have these or make them anymore and of course we
lost one.  This is the square edge version not the curved one.

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent

[AFMUG] Winbox 3.6 for Mac

[Joshaven Mailing Lists]

FYI, I’ve my mac winbox for v3.6.

http://joshaven.com/resources/tools/winbox-for-mac/ 



Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[Ken Hohhof]

The new style doesn’t work?  I thought it was just roomier to accommodate SFP 
and fiber better, you  can’t put the new cover on an old radio?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

 

I ordered 5 of them a couple months ago. Sorry, they're all used now. Guess it 
was a good thing we got them when we did.

I know that style isn't produced anymore. You could beg them to find one 
floating around the lab or something. Or maybe Erich Kaiser has one. If not, 
then I don't have a clue who else might.

On 9/30/2016 12:37 PM, Joe Falaschi wrote:

Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?  Supposedly Trango doesn’t 
have these or make them anymore and of course we lost one.  This is the square 
edge version not the curved one.

 

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent

 

 



 

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[George Skorup]

What band and sub-band? Hi or low? If it's 11GHz sub-band 6 Tx hi (aka 
6B). Then that's the other side of a flaky link I have. We've already 
swapped out the low end. Link went down completely and magically 
recovered itself for no apparent reason after 3 1/2 days. The ODU alarms 
on the low end just vanished. Nothing physically wrong on either end. 
Trango support asked if I checked the power supplies and injectors. 
Facepalm. Whatever.


On 9/30/2016 3:01 PM, Joe Falaschi wrote:
We’re actually trying to sell the radio.  This came to us via 
acquisition and we have no other Trango in the network.  If it was 
staying with us, it probably never would have made it to me and the 
guys would have just made one out of butyl and called it a day…  I’ll 
ask the local fab shop and see what they would charge to clone one if 
I can’t find one from someone else.


Joe


On Sep 30, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


A good idea.  It doesn't have to be the same shape as long as it 
screws on and has the 1" female conduit thread.  Might cost a few 
hundred bucks between design and building.

-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Sent: 9/30/2016 1:44:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover
if you have another one, take it to a local machine shop, they will 
get you something made


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Bill Prince>wrote:


Eye Yi Yi.


bp


On 9/30/2016 10:37 AM, Joe Falaschi wrote:

Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?
 Supposedly Trango doesn’t have these or make them anymore and
of course we lost one.  This is the square edge version not the
curved one.

Joe Falaschi
e-vergent








--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[George Skorup]

I ordered 5 of them a couple months ago. Sorry, they're all used now. 
Guess it was a good thing we got them when we did.


I know that style isn't produced anymore. You could beg them to find one 
floating around the lab or something. Or maybe Erich Kaiser has one. If 
not, then I don't have a clue who else might.


On 9/30/2016 12:37 PM, Joe Falaschi wrote:
Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?  Supposedly 
Trango doesn’t have these or make them anymore and of course we lost 
one.  This is the square edge version not the curved one.


Joe Falaschi
e-vergent

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

[Ken Hohhof]

Sounded like a Batman character, but that’s Oswald Cobblepot.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

 

“cobblefuckery” © afmug.com 2016

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:07 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

 

Hmmm, I think he may have.  2 of the top 4 google results are from this list, 
also the oldest result is from this list.  That's a good term to have coined.

 

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:30 PM,  > 
wrote:

I am still searching to see if  you actually coined the term “cobblefuckery” a 
wonderful mouthfeel for a seasonable autumn expletive.  

 

My new go to word.  

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:26 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

 

Even if I were allowed out of my box, people like me cant go to places like Las 
Vegas, I have many skills, one of which is absolutely not restraint, however, 
debauchery, that is my strong suit.

 

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Are you coming to Vegas?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Sep 30, 2016 11:37 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:

lolz

 

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373





 

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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

[Ken Hohhof]

When Steve says he isn’t allowed out of his box, I think of “Bring out The 
Gimp”.

 

Or perhaps Thing from the Addams Family?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

 

That's a shame.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Sep 30, 2016 1:26 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:

Even if I were allowed out of my box, people like me cant go to places like Las 
Vegas, I have many skills, one of which is absolutely not restraint, however, 
debauchery, that is my strong suit.

 

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Are you coming to Vegas?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Sep 30, 2016 11:37 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:

lolz

 

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] ptp400 4.9

[Lewis Bergman]

I would be interested in them. I still have some up we use for low
bandwidth radio IP links. If you want to sell them give me a shout.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 2:35 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> do these integrated units have any value to anybody, we have them, we
> couldnt use them even if we wanted to
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[Joe Novak]

Apex Plus? If so what sub band?

If it is I may know someone interested.

Joe

On Sep 30, 2016 12:37 PM, "Joe Falaschi"  wrote:

> Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?  Supposedly Trango
> doesn’t have these or make them anymore and of course we lost one.  This is
> the square edge version not the curved one.
>
> Joe Falaschi
> e-vergent
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[Joe Falaschi]

We’re actually trying to sell the radio.  This came to us via acquisition and 
we have no other Trango in the network.  If it was staying with us, it probably 
never would have made it to me and the guys would have just made one out of 
butyl and called it a day…  I’ll ask the local fab shop and see what they would 
charge to clone one if I can’t find one from someone else.

Joe


> On Sep 30, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> A good idea.  It doesn't have to be the same shape as long as it screws on 
> and has the 1" female conduit thread.  Might cost a few hundred bucks between 
> design and building.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  >
> To: "af@afmug.com " >
> Sent: 9/30/2016 1:44:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover
>  
>> if you have another one, take it to a local machine shop, they will get you 
>> something made
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Bill Prince > > wrote:
>> Eye Yi Yi.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/30/2016 10:37 AM, Joe Falaschi wrote:
>>> Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?  Supposedly Trango 
>>> doesn’t have these or make them anymore and of course we lost one.  This is 
>>> the square edge version not the curved one.
>>> 
>>> Joe Falaschi
>>> e-vergent
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] LTE cellular routers

[Josh Luthman]

In my case it was the only access.  I have a SiteMonitor on the ground that
watches power.  There's no connectivity to our network on the ground (all
of the stuff is on the rooftop, it's only DC coming up the tower).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> For back door access and alarming?
>
> On Sep 30, 2016 1:03 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> The only thing I've done like this is the Baltic Sprint 3g USB card in a
>> Mikrotik.  They also have small (10 MB plans).
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> What are you gents paying monthly for service on these?   Thinking of
>>> setting some up at hard to get to sites and use solar power system as back
>>> up when power fails... The MDS orbits we installed for  waste water project
>>> have been rock solid for over two years
>>>
>>
>>

[AFMUG] ptp400 4.9

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

do these integrated units have any value to anybody, we have them, we
couldnt use them even if we wanted to

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] LTE cellular routers

[Jaime Solorza]

For back door access and alarming?

On Sep 30, 2016 1:03 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> The only thing I've done like this is the Baltic Sprint 3g USB card in a
> Mikrotik.  They also have small (10 MB plans).
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> What are you gents paying monthly for service on these?   Thinking of
>> setting some up at hard to get to sites and use solar power system as back
>> up when power fails... The MDS orbits we installed for  waste water project
>> have been rock solid for over two years
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP400 5800-09-02 SW

[Eric Muehleisen]

offlist

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Can someone send me this or let me knwo where to grab it from. I have an
> old radio link I need to match up to.
>

[AFMUG] PTP400 5800-09-02 SW

[Lewis Bergman]

Can someone send me this or let me knwo where to grab it from. I have an
old radio link I need to match up to.

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[Robert Andrews]

Just like the British company I once worked for.. ( back when interest 
rates were normal )...   Any project proposal had to start with proof 
that the return would far exceed the return from leaving the money in 
the bank at compound interest...


On 09/30/2016 10:50 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:

Let me ask a more obvious question.  If you had an unlimited amount of
money, Why would you start an ISP.

Steve B.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

Well if we've got unlimited money I'd choose Cambium too...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:17 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:

I would bet the vast majority of the UBNT fanboy base, if starting
fresh, with pockets of dough would choose cambium hands down. They just
started with UBNT cause they didnt have dough. Its like marrying the fat
girl

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

Cambium (and Motorola before them) have a long history of putting in the
features ISP need and want, releasing stable firmware, not having
blatant security vulnerabilities, being pretty darn easy to use, being
well documented, releasing useful software for management, and being
priced at an attainable level even if it's not the cheapest.  The number
of times I fixed a problem by rebooting a Canopy AP is basically zero.

UBNT is cheaper, and probably good enough in many cases.  In business,
good enough and cheaper is sometimes a hard combo to argue with, but I
would if it was me I would do Cambium.

(disclaimer: I have not touched any Ubiquiti newer than M series)



-- Original Message --
From: "Sam Morris" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/30/2016 9:47:16 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely on
performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the other
would you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and CPE/SM
hardware (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?

Thanks,
Sam



--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe I'll get 4 pieces of sheet metal and make my own "hi perf" shroud.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 3:11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Panels have pretty good F/B ratio but yes, an RF armor type of thing 
would knock off some side lobes.



From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:10 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Since the goal in this case isn't more gain, but narrower pattern, what 
about an "RF Armor" type of thing?



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 3:08:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you 
would need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it.


From:Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though...


On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM,  wrote:
Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower 
mounting hardware.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make 
licensed knockoffs of M-TOW?



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


I will sell you a license today!

From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from 
the website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.



-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, 
we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill 
the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 
3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of 
tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip 
the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just 
needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if 
dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously 
it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a 
couple one-offs, why not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case 
is easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected 
to each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is 
$120.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple 
to with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE



What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order 
to reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I 
want to tune out interference from other base stations and 
thereby improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on 
with coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower 
pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP 
Performance, plus the 

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Panels have pretty good F/B ratio but yes, an RF armor type of thing would 
knock off some side lobes.  


From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Since the goal in this case isn't more gain, but narrower pattern, what about 
an "RF Armor" type of thing?


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 3:08:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you would 
need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it.  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though...


  On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM,  wrote:

Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting 
hardware.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed 
knockoffs of M-TOW? 


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I will sell you a license today!

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website 
and install your mtow

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

  Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Cameron Crum" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster 
than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing 
that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the 
stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you 
just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping 
them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and 
time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:

  The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. 
  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.

  What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple 
to with any efficiency.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE

  What does the CPE look like?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

[chuck]

“cobblefuckery” © afmug.com 2016

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

Hmmm, I think he may have.  2 of the top 4 google results are from this list, 
also the oldest result is from this list.  That's a good term to have coined.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:30 PM,  wrote:

  I am still searching to see if  you actually coined the term “cobblefuckery” 
a wonderful mouthfeel for a seasonable autumn expletive.  

  My new go to word.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:26 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

  Even if I were allowed out of my box, people like me cant go to places like 
Las Vegas, I have many skills, one of which is absolutely not restraint, 
however, debauchery, that is my strong suit.

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Are you coming to Vegas?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sep 30, 2016 11:37 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

  lolz

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373





  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Since the goal in this case isn't more gain, but narrower pattern, what 
about an "RF Armor" type of thing?



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 3:08:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you 
would need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it.


From:Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though...


On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM,  wrote:
Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower 
mounting hardware.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make 
licensed knockoffs of M-TOW?



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


I will sell you a license today!

From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from 
the website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.



-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the 
antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M 
made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing 
I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends 
in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to 
hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them 
in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be 
labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple 
one-offs, why not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is 
easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is 
$120.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple 
to with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE



What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want 
to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby 
improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern 
than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, 
plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right 
now.  If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it 
like white on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper 
external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Mining a bitcoin probably costs more in electricity for you than the
bitcoin is worth. Either way, you're spending the money...


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 9/30/16 8:58 AM, Nate Burke wrote:


  
  But you can just Mine your own bitcoin, can't you?  So it's
  effectively free ransom.
  
  On 9/30/2016 9:56 AM, That One Guy
/sarcasm wrote:
  
  
lol they dont take credit cards, bitcoin only,
  and as i understand all communication is via email.
  
  


  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Josh
Luthman 
wrote:

  Just a thought...since it's social
engineering anyway...


What if you called and asked when the files would
  be returned to you?  Say you paid an hour ago but it
  still hasn't been fixed.


Maybe give them a credit card that you don't use
  often and pay the bill with that, then when you get
  your files nuke the machine and dispute the
  charge/cancel the card.
  
  

  

  
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  

  

   
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at
  10:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
  wrote:
  

  The ransomware is still on the computer
after you pay the ransom, right?  So the
only way to stop them from hitting you again
when they're hard up for cocaine money is to
invest a lot in IT fixes anyway.  Same
problem, except if you pay the ransom maybe
you get your data back.  But paying the
ransom also encourages them to keep doing it
to other people, and maybe contributes to
the ongoing problem.  I guess it comes down
to whether you have enough of it backed up.
  
 
 
-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 9:54:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware
 

  
the ransoms are
  relatively cheap if youre not a
  targeted corportation, running between
  150 and 8The amount of work stoppage
  and time investment alot of people put
  into this exceeds the ransom anyway

  On Fri, Sep
30, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

  

  FireEye
  was providing a decrypt
  tool for the original
  Cryptolocker but likely
  you are out of luck.  Find
  a backup, pay the ransom,
  or kiss your data goodbye.
   
  
  

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you would 
need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though...


On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM,  wrote:

  Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting 
hardware.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed 
knockoffs of M-TOW? 


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  I will sell you a license today!

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website 
and install your mtow

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster 
than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing 
that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the 
stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you 
just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping 
them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and 
time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. 
  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.

What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
  a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated 
panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and 
the labor to seal them.

I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right 
now.  If I could slip something on for $50 I'd 

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Sand casting.  I can copy stuff in half hour if the draft angles are correct.  
Been going on for centuries.  
Our whole industrial revolution was all done with hand made wooden patterns.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

You can almost do that now. I saw a demo at the Maker Fair last year that was 
pretty much a 3D printer take-off on the lost wax method. You print the shape 
(aka model) with a special plastic. Then encase the model in a breakable mold. 
Then heat the mold to evaporate the model, then fill the mold with the metal of 
your choice. Break the mold, and viola; a hard metal one-off.



bp


On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate 
the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and 
install your mtow

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed 
a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a 
weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that 
just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, 
we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just 
needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in 
plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time 
intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult 
and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.   

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each 
other by traces.

What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
  a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated 
panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and 
the labor to seal them.

I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  
I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.

Any brilliant ideas?






  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

[Jason McKemie]

Hmmm, I think he may have.  2 of the top 4 google results are from this
list, also the oldest result is from this list.  That's a good term to have
coined.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:30 PM,  wrote:

> I am still searching to see if  you actually coined the term “cobblefuckery”
> a wonderful mouthfeel for a seasonable autumn expletive.
>
> My new go to word.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 11:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny
>
> Even if I were allowed out of my box, people like me cant go to places
> like Las Vegas, I have many skills, one of which is absolutely not
> restraint, however, debauchery, that is my strong suit.
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you coming to Vegas?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2016 11:37 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> lolz
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Nothing magic about our designs, we have good test data but most importantly we 
do a very heavy duty hot dip galvanization.  They ought to last forever.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

you should do that, sell the license to the design on a per unit basis at your 
profit margin without production cost. I would bet people would be pretty 
honest, the ones who wouldnt already bought one mtow and took it to a fabricator

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

  Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting 
hardware.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed 
knockoffs of M-TOW? 


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  I will sell you a license today!

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website 
and install your mtow

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster 
than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing 
that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the 
stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you 
just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping 
them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and 
time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. 
  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.

What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
  a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated 
panel is $120-$140 from KP 

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Josh Reynolds]

Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though...

On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM,  wrote:

> Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting
> hardware.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make
> licensed knockoffs of M-TOW?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> I will sell you a license today!
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can
> eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the
> website and install your mtow
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Cameron Crum" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>>
>> When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed
>> a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster
>> than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink
>> tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat
>> shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a
>> leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch
>> array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option.
>> Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a
>> couple one-offs, why not?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult
>>> and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each
>>> other by traces.
>>>
>>> What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with
>>> any efficiency.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
>>> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>>
>>> What does the CPE look like?
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce
>>> interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out
>>> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.
>>>
>>> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax
>>> jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated
>>> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers
>>> and the labor to seal them.
>>>
>>> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I
>>> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd
>>> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.
>>>
>>> Any brilliant ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LTE cellular routers

[Josh Luthman]

The only thing I've done like this is the Baltic Sprint 3g USB card in a
Mikrotik.  They also have small (10 MB plans).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> What are you gents paying monthly for service on these?   Thinking of
> setting some up at hard to get to sites and use solar power system as back
> up when power fails... The MDS orbits we installed for  waste water project
> have been rock solid for over two years
>

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Bill Prince]

You can almost do that now. I saw a demo at the Maker Fair last year 
that was pretty much a 3D printer take-off on the lost wax method. You 
print the shape (aka model) with a special plastic. Then encase the 
model in a breakable mold. Then heat the mold to evaporate the model, 
then fill the mold with the metal of your choice. Break the mold, and 
viola; a hard metal one-off.



bp


On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the 
website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for
one-offs.
-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network,
we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill
the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that
3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of
tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip
the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just
needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if
dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously
it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a
couple one-offs, why not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, > wrote:

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna
case is easily $10K+.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board
connected to each other by traces.
What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is
$120.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to
couple to with any efficiency.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in
order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but
mostly I want to tune out interference from other base
stations and thereby improve CINR.
Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on
with coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower
pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP
Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the
labor to seal them.
I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right
now.  If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over
it like white on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper
external antenna.
Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[Jason McKemie]

This.  Specifically a WISP though.  With unlimited money I'd be putting
fiber absolutely everywhere.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Wireless Administrator 
wrote:

> Let me ask a more obvious question.  If you had an unlimited amount of
> money, Why would you start an ISP.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...
>
>
>
> Well if we've got unlimited money I'd choose Cambium too...
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:17 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would bet the vast majority of the UBNT fanboy base, if starting fresh,
> with pockets of dough would choose cambium hands down. They just started
> with UBNT cause they didnt have dough. Its like marrying the fat girl
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Cambium (and Motorola before them) have a long history of putting in the
> features ISP need and want, releasing stable firmware, not having blatant
> security vulnerabilities, being pretty darn easy to use, being well
> documented, releasing useful software for management, and being priced at
> an attainable level even if it's not the cheapest.  The number of times I
> fixed a problem by rebooting a Canopy AP is basically zero.
>
> UBNT is cheaper, and probably good enough in many cases.  In business,
> good enough and cheaper is sometimes a hard combo to argue with, but I
> would if it was me I would do Cambium.
>
> (disclaimer: I have not touched any Ubiquiti newer than M series)
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sam Morris" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 9:47:16 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...
>
> Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely on
> performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the other would
> you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and CPE/SM hardware
> (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

you should do that, sell the license to the design on a per unit basis at
your profit margin without production cost. I would bet people would be
pretty honest, the ones who wouldnt already bought one mtow and took it to
a fabricator

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

> Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting
> hardware.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make
> licensed knockoffs of M-TOW?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> I will sell you a license today!
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can
> eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the
> website and install your mtow
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Cameron Crum" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>>
>> When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed
>> a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster
>> than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink
>> tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat
>> shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a
>> leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch
>> array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option.
>> Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a
>> couple one-offs, why not?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult
>>> and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each
>>> other by traces.
>>>
>>> What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with
>>> any efficiency.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
>>> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>>
>>> What does the CPE look like?
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce
>>> interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out
>>> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.
>>>
>>> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax
>>> jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated
>>> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers
>>> and the labor to seal them.
>>>
>>> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I
>>> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd
>>> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.
>>>
>>> Any brilliant ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't 

[AFMUG] LTE cellular routers

[Jaime Solorza]

What are you gents paying monthly for service on these?   Thinking of
setting some up at hard to get to sites and use solar power system as back
up when power fails... The MDS orbits we installed for  waste water project
have been rock solid for over two years

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting 
hardware.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed 
knockoffs of M-TOW? 


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I will sell you a license today!

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate 
the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and 
install your mtow

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Cameron Crum" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster 
than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing 
that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the 
stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you 
just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping 
them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and 
time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:

  The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. 
  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.

  What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  What does the CPE look like?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

  Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated 
panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and 
the labor to seal them.

  I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  
I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.

  Any brilliant ideas?






-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make 
licensed knockoffs of M-TOW?



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


I will sell you a license today!

From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the 
website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.



-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the 
antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M 
made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I 
was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in 
"plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand 
make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in 
plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor 
and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why 
not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is 
easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want 
to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby 
improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than 
the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the 
cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like 
white on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external 
antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


I will sell you a license today!

From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the 
website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.



-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the 
antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made 
some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was 
using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in 
"plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand 
make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in 
plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor 
and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why 
not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is 
easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to 
tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve 
CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than 
the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the 
cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white 
on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

I will sell you a license today!

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the 
hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install 
your mtow

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Cameron Crum" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a 
way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a 
weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that 
just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, 
we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just 
needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in 
plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time 
intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:

  The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult 
and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.   

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each 
other by traces.

  What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with 
any efficiency.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  What does the CPE look like?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

  Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated 
panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and 
the labor to seal them.

  I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If 
I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd 
also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.

  Any brilliant ideas?






-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] icann handoff - is the internet breaking tonite?

[chuck]

Icann: all your internets are belong to us

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] icann handoff - is the internet breaking tonite?

Is ISIS taking over? Cruz makes it sound like we are hading over the deed to 
the statue of liberty or something. Other than when they hijacked dns a couple 
years back, is there anything the us does, or can do that really changes 
tonight?


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

It needs to replicate something that tastes like ice cream but has the 
nutritional value of salad.




-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:33:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Listened to a Freakonomics podcast this morning (about moving toward a 
"cashless society"). Part of it they talked about the 24th century 
where you could get anything you wanted out of the replicator.


I want plain tomato soup, hot.



bp 
On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the 
website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.



-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the 
antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M 
made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I 
was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in 
"plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand 
make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in 
plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor 
and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why 
not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is 
easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want 
to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby 
improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than 
the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the 
cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like 
white on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external 
antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Bill Prince]

Listened to a Freakonomics podcast this morning (about moving toward a 
"cashless society"). Part of it they talked about the 24th century where 
you could get anything you wanted out of the replicator.


I want plain tomato soup, hot.


bp


On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the 
website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for
one-offs.
-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network,
we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill
the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that
3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of
tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip
the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just
needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if
dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously
it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a
couple one-offs, why not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, > wrote:

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna
case is easily $10K+.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board
connected to each other by traces.
What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is
$120.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to
couple to with any efficiency.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in
order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but
mostly I want to tune out interference from other base
stations and thereby improve CINR.
Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on
with coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower
pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP
Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the
labor to seal them.
I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right
now.  If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over
it like white on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper
external antenna.
Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[Bill Prince]

You could probably fab something that actually has enough room inside...


bp


On 9/30/2016 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
A good idea.  It doesn't have to be the same shape as long as it 
screws on and has the 1" female conduit thread.  Might cost a few 
hundred bucks between design and building.

-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" >

To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 9/30/2016 1:44:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover
if you have another one, take it to a local machine shop, they will 
get you something made


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


Eye Yi Yi.


bp


On 9/30/2016 10:37 AM, Joe Falaschi wrote:

Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?  Supposedly
Trango doesn’t have these or make them anymore and of course we
lost one.  This is the square edge version not the curved one.

Joe Falaschi
e-vergent







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate
the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and
install your mtow

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Cameron Crum" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed
> a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster
> than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink
> tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat
> shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a
> leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch
> array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option.
> Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a
> couple one-offs, why not?
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
>
>> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult
>> and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>> Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each
>> other by traces.
>>
>> What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>>
>> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with
>> any efficiency.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
>> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>>
>> What does the CPE look like?
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce
>> interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out
>> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.
>>
>> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax
>> jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated
>> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers
>> and the labor to seal them.
>>
>> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I
>> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd
>> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.
>>
>> Any brilliant ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the 
antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made 
some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was 
using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in 
"plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make 
a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip 
wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time 
intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult 
and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each 
other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to 
tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve 
CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of 
the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If 
I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on 
rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[Adam Moffett]

A good idea.  It doesn't have to be the same shape as long as it screws 
on and has the 1" female conduit thread.  Might cost a few hundred bucks 
between design and building.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 1:44:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

if you have another one, take it to a local machine shop, they will get 
you something made


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:

Eye Yi Yi.



bp 
On 9/30/2016 10:37 AM, Joe Falaschi wrote:
Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?  Supposedly 
Trango doesn’t have these or make them anymore and of course we lost 
one.  This is the square edge version not the curved one.


Joe Falaschi
e-vergent








--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] icann handoff - is the internet breaking tonite?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Is ISIS taking over? Cruz makes it sound like we are hading over the deed
to the statue of liberty or something. Other than when they hijacked dns a
couple years back, is there anything the us does, or can do that really
changes tonight?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

If money werent an issue being an installer would be pretty sweet, always
having the right gear and tools, and getting to hang out with random people
and put holes in their house

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> Recurring revenue :)
>
> Then again rental property does that too
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Wireless Administrator" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...
> Date: Fri, Sep 30, 2016 12:50 PM
>
> Let me ask a more obvious question.  If you had an unlimited amount of
> money, Why would you start an ISP.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...
>
>
>
> Well if we've got unlimited money I'd choose Cambium too...
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:17 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would bet the vast majority of the UBNT fanboy base, if starting fresh,
> with pockets of dough would choose cambium hands down. They just started
> with UBNT cause they didnt have dough. Its like marrying the fat girl
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Cambium (and Motorola before them) have a long history of putting in the
> features ISP need and want, releasing stable firmware, not having blatant
> security vulnerabilities, being pretty darn easy to use, being well
> documented, releasing useful software for management, and being priced at
> an attainable level even if it's not the cheapest.  The number of times I
> fixed a problem by rebooting a Canopy AP is basically zero.
>
> UBNT is cheaper, and probably good enough in many cases.  In business,
> good enough and cheaper is sometimes a hard combo to argue with, but I
> would if it was me I would do Cambium.
>
> (disclaimer: I have not touched any Ubiquiti newer than M series)
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sam Morris" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 9:47:16 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...
>
> Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely on
> performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the other would
> you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and CPE/SM hardware
> (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Cameron Crum]

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a
way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than
a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing
that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the
stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if
you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if
dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would
be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why
not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:

> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and
> expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each
> other by traces.
>
> What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with any
> efficiency.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> What does the CPE look like?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce
> interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out
> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.
>
> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax
> jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated
> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers
> and the labor to seal them.
>
> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I
> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd
> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.
>
> Any brilliant ideas?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[Mathew Howard]

I guess everyone needs a hobby...

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Wireless Administrator 
wrote:

> Let me ask a more obvious question.  If you had an unlimited amount of
> money, Why would you start an ISP.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...
>
>
>
> Well if we've got unlimited money I'd choose Cambium too...
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:17 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would bet the vast majority of the UBNT fanboy base, if starting fresh,
> with pockets of dough would choose cambium hands down. They just started
> with UBNT cause they didnt have dough. Its like marrying the fat girl
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Cambium (and Motorola before them) have a long history of putting in the
> features ISP need and want, releasing stable firmware, not having blatant
> security vulnerabilities, being pretty darn easy to use, being well
> documented, releasing useful software for management, and being priced at
> an attainable level even if it's not the cheapest.  The number of times I
> fixed a problem by rebooting a Canopy AP is basically zero.
>
> UBNT is cheaper, and probably good enough in many cases.  In business,
> good enough and cheaper is sometimes a hard combo to argue with, but I
> would if it was me I would do Cambium.
>
> (disclaimer: I have not touched any Ubiquiti newer than M series)
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sam Morris" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 9:47:16 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...
>
> Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely on
> performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the other would
> you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and CPE/SM hardware
> (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

[Matt]

Great news.  When will the lower bands be available?


On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Matt Mangriotis
 wrote:
>
> The PMP 450m was issued a grant today.  This is the first commercially 
> available Multi-User MIMO product in 5 GHz!
>
>
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY=500_code=_id=gR2HF80%2FF77q7CNU2n2zSw%3D%3D_id=QWP-50450M
>
>
>
> Hopefully, those that have placed orders will be seeing them very soon.
>
>
>
> (Is Gino on holiday??? He usually takes care of these things…)
>
>
>
> Matt Mangriotis
>
> Senior Product Manager
> Cambium Networks
> 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
>
> Rolling Meadows, IL 60008
>
>
>
> www.cambiumnetworks.com
> O: 847-439-6379
>
> M: 630-308-9394
> E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Recurring revenue :)

Then again rental property does that too

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Wireless Administrator" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...
Date: Fri, Sep 30, 2016 12:50 PM

Let me ask a more obvious question.  If you had an unlimited amount of money, 
Why would you start an ISP. Steve B. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...
Well if we've got unlimited money I'd choose Cambium too...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:17 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:I would bet the vast majority of the UBNT 
fanboy base, if starting fresh, with pockets of dough would choose cambium 
hands down. They just started with UBNT cause they didnt have dough. Its like 
marrying the fat girl
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:Cambium (and Motorola before them) have a long history of putting in the 
features ISP need and want, releasing stable firmware, not having blatant 
security vulnerabilities, being pretty darn easy to use, being well documented, 
releasing useful software for management, and being priced at an attainable 
level even if it's not the cheapest.  The number of times I fixed a problem by 
rebooting a Canopy AP is basically zero.

UBNT is cheaper, and probably good enough in many cases.  In business, good 
enough and cheaper is sometimes a hard combo to argue with, but I would if it 
was me I would do Cambium.

(disclaimer: I have not touched any Ubiquiti newer than M series)

-- Original Message --
From: "Sam Morris" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 9:47:16 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...Knowing what you know, if you were 
starting a WISP, based solely on performance and manageability, if you had to 
be 100% one or the other would you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs 
and CPE/SM hardware (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?

Thanks,
Sam 




-- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[Wireless Administrator]

Let me ask a more obvious question.  If you had an unlimited amount of money, 
Why would you start an ISP.

 

Steve B.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

 

Well if we've got unlimited money I'd choose Cambium too...




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:17 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

I would bet the vast majority of the UBNT fanboy base, if starting fresh, with 
pockets of dough would choose cambium hands down. They just started with UBNT 
cause they didnt have dough. Its like marrying the fat girl

 

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Cambium (and Motorola before them) have a long history of putting in the 
features ISP need and want, releasing stable firmware, not having blatant 
security vulnerabilities, being pretty darn easy to use, being well documented, 
releasing useful software for management, and being priced at an attainable 
level even if it's not the cheapest.  The number of times I fixed a problem by 
rebooting a Canopy AP is basically zero.

UBNT is cheaper, and probably good enough in many cases.  In business, good 
enough and cheaper is sometimes a hard combo to argue with, but I would if it 
was me I would do Cambium.

(disclaimer: I have not touched any Ubiquiti newer than M series)



-- Original Message --
From: "Sam Morris" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 9:47:16 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely on performance 
and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the other would you select 
Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and CPE/SM hardware (leaving the backhaul 
out of the discussion)?

Thanks,
Sam

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

if you have another one, take it to a local machine shop, they will get you
something made

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Eye Yi Yi.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 9/30/2016 10:37 AM, Joe Falaschi wrote:
>
> Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?  Supposedly Trango
> doesn’t have these or make them anymore and of course we lost one.  This is
> the square edge version not the curved one.
>
> Joe Falaschi
> e-vergent
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[Bill Prince]

Eye Yi Yi.


bp


On 9/30/2016 10:37 AM, Joe Falaschi wrote:
Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?  Supposedly 
Trango doesn’t have these or make them anymore and of course we lost 
one.  This is the square edge version not the curved one.


Joe Falaschi
e-vergent

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I look at our contracted services as such a high risk endeavor. The market
we serve is small, and refuses to be parented as IT professionals need to
do. The businesses tend to be one step above home offices, and ownership
treats their office network much the same as their home entertainment
network (bulk of network usage is streaming video and audio). Ownership
makes decisions to bypass security in favor of convenience and "cost
savings" We have one network that wont invest in managed AV and also has us
give an override for the firewall policies because it was inconvenient to
their online shopping to block advertising. It started with a 1 hour
override, but the owner didnt like having to key it in, so they extended it
to 24 hours. Their firewall logs show it keyed in every day, and from
multiple computers, indicating the business owner shares it with the staff.
This is an over 1 million dollar annual revenue company, not that in todays
marketplace thats all that big, but its a prime target for malicious
actors. Our contract absolves us of much of the liability for their poor
choices. Most of our customers are like this. They dont realize the risk,
no matter how many times we all but beg them to take security more
seriously. I really dont know how they havent been severely impacted. A
couple of them have had workstations compromised, but so far non have
actually had critical data taken.. its a matter of when, and not if.

Federal dollars get spent in huge sums combating "the cyber" but little is
spent on education, maybe the feds deal in large enough scale with the same
mentality as we do that they realize its fruitless.

we buy safes to keep our paper documents secure, our guns protected, our
jewelry out of thieves hands, but digitally, people just dont seem to care

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> That's all you can do.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, September 30, 2016 12:20:18 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware
>
> Yep, restore from backup.
>
>
> Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
> Office: 314-735-0270
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:15 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware
>
> Hi,
>
> One of our office computers was just infected with "ransomware". It has
> encrypted all the files on that computer, plus many files on a server that
> computer was connected to.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions on the best way to try and fix/remove this crap
> and unencrypt all the files?
>
> Travis
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Trango Licensed Link port cover

[Joe Falaschi]

Does anyone have one of these port covers I can buy?  Supposedly Trango doesn’t 
have these or make them anymore and of course we lost one.  This is the square 
edge version not the curved one.

Joe Falaschi
e-vergent

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

[Josh Luthman]

That's a shame.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 30, 2016 1:26 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Even if I were allowed out of my box, people like me cant go to places
> like Las Vegas, I have many skills, one of which is absolutely not
> restraint, however, debauchery, that is my strong suit.
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you coming to Vegas?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2016 11:37 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> lolz
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[Mathew Howard]

Agreed!

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Nice analogy.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 9/30/2016 1:17:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...
>
>
> if money doesnt go to both staff and hardware, money isnt a good thing to
> throw at it. Underpaid, overworked, under-qualified staff end up standing
> confused poking themselves in the eye looking at the cobblefuckery on the
> network. you can hand the best gear in the world to a guy, if hes just
> poking himself in the eye its not going to do any good. If you have a good
> team, you can do more with less, like ubnt, but if you have a good team AND
> good gear you can do great things and nobody gets poked in the eye
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> No doubt there will be plenty of poorly run and designed (and may already
>> be) ePMP and Mimosa networks, but I suspect that the majority of those
>> networks will always be UBNT and maybe some MikroTik, simply because if
>> you're comparing price and the specs that most people without a lot of
>> experience are going to care about, Cambium looks like a pretty poor value
>> in comparison, even with ePMP - as in "Why would I pay $100+ for a Force
>> 200 and only does 200Mbps, when I can get a LiteBeam AC that does 450Mbps
>> for like $60?". You probably aren't going to understand why things like GPS
>> sync, and most of the things Cambium does better, matter until you try to
>> run a fairly large network - and in a lot of cases they really don't matter
>> until the network grows to a certain point, which makes UBNT a fine
>> choice... in a lot of cases probably even the best choice.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To add to this, there's a lot of poorly run UBNT networks out there
>>> simply because the price made the equipment more accessable.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there's a fair share of poorly designed cambium networks as
>>> well, but likely not as many (more money in the company, higher % of
>>> experienced professionals, etc).
>>>
>>> I'm sure there will be just as many poorly designed and ran ePMP and
>>> Mimosa networks given time :)
>>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2016 11:08 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>>
 ohhh… good conversation in my opinion.

 I came from a pure Cambium/Moto shop and now work with a company that
 is pure ubiquiti … but i’m not hands on with that side of the shop …. would
 say with everything I’ve seen from a  distance that I really miss Cambium
 gear ;)


 > On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Sam Morris  wrote:
 >
 > Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely on
 performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the other would
 you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and CPE/SM hardware
 (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Sam


>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

[chuck]

I am still searching to see if  you actually coined the term “cobblefuckery” a 
wonderful mouthfeel for a seasonable autumn expletive.  

My new go to word.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

Even if I were allowed out of my box, people like me cant go to places like Las 
Vegas, I have many skills, one of which is absolutely not restraint, however, 
debauchery, that is my strong suit.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  Are you coming to Vegas?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Sep 30, 2016 11:37 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

lolz

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Even if I were allowed out of my box, people like me cant go to places like
Las Vegas, I have many skills, one of which is absolutely not restraint,
however, debauchery, that is my strong suit.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Are you coming to Vegas?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sep 30, 2016 11:37 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> lolz
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

[Jason McKemie]

This. DHCP snooping has caused a few headaches for me in the past. A reboot
or removal of the offending port's entry has usually fixed it.

On Friday, September 30, 2016, Jesse Dupont 
wrote:

> We've had to reboot E7s before because of DHCP snooping failures on ONTs.
>
>
> _
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
> To: >
>
>
> We didn’t do any Calix changes and we don’t think they can push a change.
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
>
> Yup …
>
> Four steps to DHCP that you should see on the capture
>
> Discovery
> Offer
> Response
> Ack
>
> (DORA for short)
>
> Once the Ack is completed then the ONT should have an IP and only come
> back looking for a new IP near expiry and/or a power event etc…
>
> I’d suggest testing against the DHCP server with a PC with short expiry as
> noted .. if that works fine then go further upstream and repeat.  really
> sounds like an ONT issue - did you do any changes with Calix firmware or
> anything like that?
>
> Just some guesses
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:
>
> That was supposed to say "if you can ping the ONT from the DHCP server"
> stupid fingers can't keep up with stupid brain.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett"  >
> To: "Animal Farm"  >
> Sent: 9/30/2016 9:59:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
>
>
> You're doing exactly what I would do.
>
> The renewal is unicast, so if you can the ONT from the DHCP server then
> the unit should be able to renew.  My guess would be something in the
> middle either dropping the request from the client or dropping the ack from
> the server.  Maybe a misbehaving switch or misconfigured firewall rule.
> Wireshark and/or logs on one end or the other might tell you which step is
> not happening, but they won't tell you which device is dropping the ball.
> I'm guessing you'll run wireshark, see a missing packet from somebody and
> then have to packet capture at points in between to see if the missing
> packet is present or not at that point.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown"  >
> To: "Animal Farm"  >
> Sent: 9/29/2016 11:12:12 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
>
>
> I have not dug into the entrails of DHCP since NAT was added to Canopy, so
> long time ago.  I have Calix ONTs that are going away when their DHCP
> reservations expire.  They normally get them from DHCPatriot.  People lose
> service, they call, we reset the ONT and service comes back.
>
> Started a couple of days ago, no network changes to speak of.  But about
> 30% are having the problem.
>
> There is no way the DHCPatriot could be causing this is there?  Once it
> hands out an IP and a reservation time, it is out of the loop, right?
>
> I suggest setting up an ONT with a reservation time of 1 hour then
> wireshark the DHCPatriot to see of the ONT ever comes knocking, or if it
> does, what is going on between those two.
>
> Any other troubleshooting ideas out there?  Going to bed, hopefully there
> will be a bunch of brilliant posts in the morning leading us directly to
> the bad actor.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[Adam Moffett]

Nice analogy.

-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 1:17:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

if money doesnt go to both staff and hardware, money isnt a good thing 
to throw at it. Underpaid, overworked, under-qualified staff end up 
standing confused poking themselves in the eye looking at the 
cobblefuckery on the network. you can hand the best gear in the world 
to a guy, if hes just poking himself in the eye its not going to do any 
good. If you have a good team, you can do more with less, like ubnt, 
but if you have a good team AND good gear you can do great things and 
nobody gets poked in the eye
































On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard  
wrote:
No doubt there will be plenty of poorly run and designed (and may 
already be) ePMP and Mimosa networks, but I suspect that the majority 
of those networks will always be UBNT and maybe some MikroTik, simply 
because if you're comparing price and the specs that most people 
without a lot of experience are going to care about, Cambium looks 
like a pretty poor value in comparison, even with ePMP - as in "Why 
would I pay $100+ for a Force 200 and only does 200Mbps, when I can 
get a LiteBeam AC that does 450Mbps for like $60?". You probably 
aren't going to understand why things like GPS sync, and most of the 
things Cambium does better, matter until you try to run a fairly large 
network - and in a lot of cases they really don't matter until the 
network grows to a certain point, which makes UBNT a fine choice... in 
a lot of cases probably even the best choice.


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:
To add to this, there's a lot of poorly run UBNT networks out there 
simply because the price made the equipment more accessable.


I'm sure there's a fair share of poorly designed cambium networks as 
well, but likely not as many (more money in the company, higher % of 
experienced professionals, etc).


I'm sure there will be just as many poorly designed and ran ePMP and 
Mimosa networks given time :)



On Sep 30, 2016 11:08 AM, "Paul Stewart"  
wrote:

ohhh… good conversation in my opinion.

I came from a pure Cambium/Moto shop and now work with a company 
that is pure ubiquiti … but i’m not hands on with that side of the 
shop …. would say with everything I’ve seen from a  distance that I 
really miss Cambium gear ;)



> On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Sam Morris  wrote:
>
> Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely 
on performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the 
other would you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and 
CPE/SM hardware (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?

>
> Thanks,
> Sam







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Yup.  There are even knockouts on the housing where the N connectors go. 
 The issue is antennas better than the built-in one are all pretty 
expensive.
In 5.8 I'd have probably a hundred options.  So maybe more accurate to 
say "I hate 3.65".



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 1:12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

the cambium 320 cpes just have sma inside, probably the same on the 
telrads. when we were looking at external that was an option ala drill 
bit


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

I hate Wimax.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:41:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is 
easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to 
tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve 
CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than 
the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the 
cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white 
on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?





--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

[Mike Hammett]

That's all you can do. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Dennis Burgess"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:20:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware 

Yep, restore from backup. 


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE 

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270 
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:15 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware 

Hi, 

One of our office computers was just infected with "ransomware". It has 
encrypted all the files on that computer, plus many files on a server that 
computer was connected to. 

Any ideas or suggestions on the best way to try and fix/remove this crap and 
unencrypt all the files? 

Travis 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

[Dennis Burgess]

Yep, restore from backup.


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

Hi,

One of our office computers was just infected with "ransomware". It has 
encrypted all the files on that computer, plus many files on a server that 
computer was connected to.

Any ideas or suggestions on the best way to try and fix/remove this crap and 
unencrypt all the files?

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

if money doesnt go to both staff and hardware, money isnt a good thing to
throw at it. Underpaid, overworked, under-qualified staff end up standing
confused poking themselves in the eye looking at the cobblefuckery on the
network. you can hand the best gear in the world to a guy, if hes just
poking himself in the eye its not going to do any good. If you have a good
team, you can do more with less, like ubnt, but if you have a good team AND
good gear you can do great things and nobody gets poked in the eye































On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> No doubt there will be plenty of poorly run and designed (and may already
> be) ePMP and Mimosa networks, but I suspect that the majority of those
> networks will always be UBNT and maybe some MikroTik, simply because if
> you're comparing price and the specs that most people without a lot of
> experience are going to care about, Cambium looks like a pretty poor value
> in comparison, even with ePMP - as in "Why would I pay $100+ for a Force
> 200 and only does 200Mbps, when I can get a LiteBeam AC that does 450Mbps
> for like $60?". You probably aren't going to understand why things like GPS
> sync, and most of the things Cambium does better, matter until you try to
> run a fairly large network - and in a lot of cases they really don't matter
> until the network grows to a certain point, which makes UBNT a fine
> choice... in a lot of cases probably even the best choice.
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> To add to this, there's a lot of poorly run UBNT networks out there
>> simply because the price made the equipment more accessable.
>>
>> I'm sure there's a fair share of poorly designed cambium networks as
>> well, but likely not as many (more money in the company, higher % of
>> experienced professionals, etc).
>>
>> I'm sure there will be just as many poorly designed and ran ePMP and
>> Mimosa networks given time :)
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2016 11:08 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>
>>> ohhh… good conversation in my opinion.
>>>
>>> I came from a pure Cambium/Moto shop and now work with a company that is
>>> pure ubiquiti … but i’m not hands on with that side of the shop …. would
>>> say with everything I’ve seen from a  distance that I really miss Cambium
>>> gear ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Sam Morris  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely on
>>> performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the other would
>>> you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and CPE/SM hardware
>>> (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Sam
>>>
>>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

[Josh Luthman]

Gets lease in 2016.  Clock move to 1969.  Lease renews in 2016.

Wait 47 years to confirm theory?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 30, 2016 1:09 PM,  wrote:

> Odd, some shelves had dates of 1969 and others 2036, some Feb 2016.
>
> If the shelf updates the RTC in the ONT that keeps track of the
> reservation, having the time and date screwed up could be our problem.  The
> shelf is supposed to get NTP sync.  Calix doesn’t think a date of 1969 is a
> big deal.  I think it is a big deal...  We are wondering if we have NTP
> problems or if Calix has NTP problems.
>
> *From:* Jesse Dupont
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
>
> We've had to reboot E7s before because of DHCP snooping failures on ONTs.
>
>
> _
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
> To: 
>
>
> We didn’t do any Calix changes and we don’t think they can push a change.
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
>
> Yup …
>
> Four steps to DHCP that you should see on the capture
>
> Discovery
> Offer
> Response
> Ack
>
> (DORA for short)
>
> Once the Ack is completed then the ONT should have an IP and only come
> back looking for a new IP near expiry and/or a power event etc…
>
> I’d suggest testing against the DHCP server with a PC with short expiry as
> noted .. if that works fine then go further upstream and repeat.  really
> sounds like an ONT issue - did you do any changes with Calix firmware or
> anything like that?
>
> Just some guesses
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> That was supposed to say "if you can ping the ONT from the DHCP server"
> stupid fingers can't keep up with stupid brain.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 9/30/2016 9:59:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
>
>
> You're doing exactly what I would do.
>
> The renewal is unicast, so if you can the ONT from the DHCP server then
> the unit should be able to renew.  My guess would be something in the
> middle either dropping the request from the client or dropping the ack from
> the server.  Maybe a misbehaving switch or misconfigured firewall rule.
> Wireshark and/or logs on one end or the other might tell you which step is
> not happening, but they won't tell you which device is dropping the ball.
> I'm guessing you'll run wireshark, see a missing packet from somebody and
> then have to packet capture at points in between to see if the missing
> packet is present or not at that point.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 9/29/2016 11:12:12 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
>
>
> I have not dug into the entrails of DHCP since NAT was added to Canopy, so
> long time ago.  I have Calix ONTs that are going away when their DHCP
> reservations expire.  They normally get them from DHCPatriot.  People lose
> service, they call, we reset the ONT and service comes back.
>
> Started a couple of days ago, no network changes to speak of.  But about
> 30% are having the problem.
>
> There is no way the DHCPatriot could be causing this is there?  Once it
> hands out an IP and a reservation time, it is out of the loop, right?
>
> I suggest setting up an ONT with a reservation time of 1 hour then
> wireshark the DHCPatriot to see of the ONT ever comes knocking, or if it
> does, what is going on between those two.
>
> Any other troubleshooting ideas out there?  Going to bed, hopefully there
> will be a bunch of brilliant posts in the morning leading us directly to
> the bad actor.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the cambium 320 cpes just have sma inside, probably the same on the
telrads. when we were looking at external that was an option ala drill bit

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I hate Wimax.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:41:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and
> expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each
> other by traces.
>
> What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with any
> efficiency.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> What does the CPE look like?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce
> interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out
> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.
>
> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax
> jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated
> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers
> and the labor to seal them.
>
> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I
> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd
> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.
>
> Any brilliant ideas?
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

[chuck]

Odd, some shelves had dates of 1969 and others 2036, some Feb 2016.

If the shelf updates the RTC in the ONT that keeps track of the reservation, 
having the time and date screwed up could be our problem.  The shelf is 
supposed to get NTP sync.  Calix doesn’t think a date of 1969 is a big deal.  I 
think it is a big deal...  We are wondering if we have NTP problems or if Calix 
has NTP problems.  

From: Jesse Dupont 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

We've had to reboot E7s before because of DHCP snooping failures on ONTs.



_
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
To: 



We didn’t do any Calix changes and we don’t think they can push a change.  

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

Yup … 

Four steps to DHCP that you should see on the capture

Discovery
Offer
Response 
Ack

(DORA for short)

Once the Ack is completed then the ONT should have an IP and only come back 
looking for a new IP near expiry and/or a power event etc…

I’d suggest testing against the DHCP server with a PC with short expiry as 
noted .. if that works fine then go further upstream and repeat.  really sounds 
like an ONT issue - did you do any changes with Calix firmware or anything like 
that?

Just some guesses

Paul

  On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  That was supposed to say "if you can ping the ONT from the DHCP server"
  stupid fingers can't keep up with stupid brain.

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: 9/30/2016 9:59:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

You're doing exactly what I would do.

The renewal is unicast, so if you can the ONT from the DHCP server then the 
unit should be able to renew.  My guess would be something in the middle either 
dropping the request from the client or dropping the ack from the server.  
Maybe a misbehaving switch or misconfigured firewall rule.  Wireshark and/or 
logs on one end or the other might tell you which step is not happening, but 
they won't tell you which device is dropping the ball.  I'm guessing you'll run 
wireshark, see a missing packet from somebody and then have to packet capture 
at points in between to see if the missing packet is present or not at that 
point.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/29/2016 11:12:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

  I have not dug into the entrails of DHCP since NAT was added to Canopy, 
so long time ago.  I have Calix ONTs that are going away when their DHCP 
reservations expire.  They normally get them from DHCPatriot.  People lose 
service, they call, we reset the ONT and service comes back.  

  Started a couple of days ago, no network changes to speak of.  But about 
30% are having the problem.  

  There is no way the DHCPatriot could be causing this is there?  Once it 
hands out an IP and a reservation time, it is out of the loop, right?

  I suggest setting up an ONT with a reservation time of 1 hour then 
wireshark the DHCPatriot to see of the ONT ever comes knocking, or if it does, 
what is going on between those two.  

  Any other troubleshooting ideas out there?  Going to bed, hopefully there 
will be a bunch of brilliant posts in the morning leading us directly to the 
bad actor.  

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[Mathew Howard]

No doubt there will be plenty of poorly run and designed (and may already
be) ePMP and Mimosa networks, but I suspect that the majority of those
networks will always be UBNT and maybe some MikroTik, simply because if
you're comparing price and the specs that most people without a lot of
experience are going to care about, Cambium looks like a pretty poor value
in comparison, even with ePMP - as in "Why would I pay $100+ for a Force
200 and only does 200Mbps, when I can get a LiteBeam AC that does 450Mbps
for like $60?". You probably aren't going to understand why things like GPS
sync, and most of the things Cambium does better, matter until you try to
run a fairly large network - and in a lot of cases they really don't matter
until the network grows to a certain point, which makes UBNT a fine
choice... in a lot of cases probably even the best choice.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> To add to this, there's a lot of poorly run UBNT networks out there simply
> because the price made the equipment more accessable.
>
> I'm sure there's a fair share of poorly designed cambium networks as well,
> but likely not as many (more money in the company, higher % of experienced
> professionals, etc).
>
> I'm sure there will be just as many poorly designed and ran ePMP and
> Mimosa networks given time :)
>
> On Sep 30, 2016 11:08 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
>> ohhh… good conversation in my opinion.
>>
>> I came from a pure Cambium/Moto shop and now work with a company that is
>> pure ubiquiti … but i’m not hands on with that side of the shop …. would
>> say with everything I’ve seen from a  distance that I really miss Cambium
>> gear ;)
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Sam Morris  wrote:
>> >
>> > Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely on
>> performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the other would
>> you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and CPE/SM hardware
>> (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Sam
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[Robert Andrews]

IMNSHO, more money has not typically translated to better networks in 
this biz...


On 09/30/2016 09:31 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

To add to this, there's a lot of poorly run UBNT networks out there
simply because the price made the equipment more accessable.

I'm sure there's a fair share of poorly designed cambium networks as
well, but likely not as many (more money in the company, higher % of
experienced professionals, etc).

I'm sure there will be just as many poorly designed and ran ePMP and
Mimosa networks given time :)


On Sep 30, 2016 11:08 AM, "Paul Stewart" > wrote:

ohhh… good conversation in my opinion.

I came from a pure Cambium/Moto shop and now work with a company
that is pure ubiquiti … but i’m not hands on with that side of the
shop …. would say with everything I’ve seen from a  distance that I
really miss Cambium gear ;)


 > On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Sam Morris > wrote:
 >
 > Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely
on performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the
other would you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and
CPE/SM hardware (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Sam

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

less hours to it if you pay
95% of IT will googlish

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Easy for you and me, but maybe hard for an accountant or a carpenter.
> The previous assertion was paying the ransom is cheaper than not paying
> it.  My point is the victim will be paying for IT help either way.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:24:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware
>
>
> The only reason the cryptolocker ransomware is so effective is because
> they honor every transaction and unlock your data. The malware itself is
> relatively easy to remove, but the encrypted files are the lasting effect.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 7:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware
>
>
>
> The ransomware is still on the computer after you pay the ransom, right?
> So the only way to stop them from hitting you again when they're hard up
> for cocaine money is to invest a lot in IT fixes anyway.  Same problem,
> except if you pay the ransom maybe you get your data back.  But paying the
> ransom also encourages them to keep doing it to other people, and maybe
> contributes to the ongoing problem.  I guess it comes down to whether you
> have enough of it backed up.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Sent: 9/30/2016 9:54:35 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware
>
>
>
> the ransoms are relatively cheap if youre not a targeted corportation,
> running between 150 and 8The amount of work stoppage and time investment
> alot of people put into this exceeds the ransom anyway
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> FireEye was providing a decrypt tool for the original Cryptolocker but
> likely you are out of luck.  Find a backup, pay the ransom, or kiss your
> data goodbye.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 1:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware
>
>
>
> Depends on the ransomware.  I found a decryption tool for my mom's
> computer when she managed to get it infected - depends on the particular
> flavor I'm sure.  I think this one had .crypt or .crypted extensions on all
> the files.  I did need an copy of one of the encrypted files prior to the
> infection for the program to do its job though.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> One of our office computers was just infected with "ransomware". It has
> encrypted all the files on that computer, plus many files on a server that
> computer was connected to.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions on the best way to try and fix/remove this crap
> and unencrypt all the files?
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

I hate Wimax.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:41:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult 
and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each 
other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with 
any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to 
tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve 
CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of 
the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If 
I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on 
rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and 
expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.   

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by 
traces.

What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with any 
efficiency.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
  a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated 
panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and 
the labor to seal them.

I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I 
could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd 
also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.

Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each 
other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with 
any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of 
the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I 
could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. 
 I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

The external antenna version is the exact same housing, but with a pair 
of N connectors protruding on the side opposite from the cable glands.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:34:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of 
the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I 
could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. 
 I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with any 
efficiency.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  What does the CPE look like?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

  Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. 
 A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is 
$120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor 
to seal them.

  I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I could 
slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd also just 
settle for a cheaper external antenna.

  Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

I don't have the know-how required.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:32:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


Make one?


On Sep 30, 2016 11:29 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of 
the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I 
could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. 
 I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the 
coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I 
could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  
I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

What does the CPE look like?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers.  
A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is 
$120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor 
to seal them.

I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I could 
slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd also just 
settle for a cheaper external antenna.

Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

[chuck]

Good point, thanks.  

From: Jesse Dupont 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

We've had to reboot E7s before because of DHCP snooping failures on ONTs.



_
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
To: 



We didn’t do any Calix changes and we don’t think they can push a change.  

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

Yup … 

Four steps to DHCP that you should see on the capture

Discovery
Offer
Response 
Ack

(DORA for short)

Once the Ack is completed then the ONT should have an IP and only come back 
looking for a new IP near expiry and/or a power event etc…

I’d suggest testing against the DHCP server with a PC with short expiry as 
noted .. if that works fine then go further upstream and repeat.  really sounds 
like an ONT issue - did you do any changes with Calix firmware or anything like 
that?

Just some guesses

Paul

  On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  That was supposed to say "if you can ping the ONT from the DHCP server"
  stupid fingers can't keep up with stupid brain.

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: 9/30/2016 9:59:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

You're doing exactly what I would do.

The renewal is unicast, so if you can the ONT from the DHCP server then the 
unit should be able to renew.  My guess would be something in the middle either 
dropping the request from the client or dropping the ack from the server.  
Maybe a misbehaving switch or misconfigured firewall rule.  Wireshark and/or 
logs on one end or the other might tell you which step is not happening, but 
they won't tell you which device is dropping the ball.  I'm guessing you'll run 
wireshark, see a missing packet from somebody and then have to packet capture 
at points in between to see if the missing packet is present or not at that 
point.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/29/2016 11:12:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

  I have not dug into the entrails of DHCP since NAT was added to Canopy, 
so long time ago.  I have Calix ONTs that are going away when their DHCP 
reservations expire.  They normally get them from DHCPatriot.  People lose 
service, they call, we reset the ONT and service comes back.  

  Started a couple of days ago, no network changes to speak of.  But about 
30% are having the problem.  

  There is no way the DHCPatriot could be causing this is there?  Once it 
hands out an IP and a reservation time, it is out of the loop, right?

  I suggest setting up an ONT with a reservation time of 1 hour then 
wireshark the DHCPatriot to see of the ONT ever comes knocking, or if it does, 
what is going on between those two.  

  Any other troubleshooting ideas out there?  Going to bed, hopefully there 
will be a bunch of brilliant posts in the morning leading us directly to the 
bad actor.  

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Josh Reynolds]

Make one?

On Sep 30, 2016 11:29 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce
> interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out
> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.
>
> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax
> jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated
> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers
> and the labor to seal them.
>
> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I
> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd
> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.
>
> Any brilliant ideas?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

[Adam Moffett]

Easy for you and me, but maybe hard for an accountant or a carpenter.
The previous assertion was paying the ransom is cheaper than not paying 
it.  My point is the victim will be paying for IT help either way.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:24:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

The only reason the cryptolocker ransomware is so effective is because 
they honor every transaction and unlock your data. The malware itself 
is relatively easy to remove, but the encrypted files are the lasting 
effect.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:49 AM
To:af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware



The ransomware is still on the computer after you pay the ransom, 
right?  So the only way to stop them from hitting you again when 
they're hard up for cocaine money is to invest a lot in IT fixes 
anyway.  Same problem, except if you pay the ransom maybe you get your 
data back.  But paying the ransom also encourages them to keep doing it 
to other people, and maybe contributes to the ongoing problem.  I guess 
it comes down to whether you have enough of it backed up.






-- Original Message --

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 9/30/2016 9:54:35 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware



the ransoms are relatively cheap if youre not a targeted corportation, 
running between 150 and 8The amount of work stoppage and time 
investment alot of people put into this exceeds the ransom anyway




On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

FireEye was providing a decrypt tool for the original Cryptolocker but 
likely you are out of luck.  Find a backup, pay the ransom, or kiss 
your data goodbye.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:26 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware



Depends on the ransomware.  I found a decryption tool for my mom's 
computer when she managed to get it infected - depends on the 
particular flavor I'm sure.  I think this one had .crypt or .crypted 
extensions on all the files.  I did need an copy of one of the 
encrypted files prior to the infection for the program to do its job 
though.




On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:


Hi,

One of our office computers was just infected with "ransomware". It 
has encrypted all the files on that computer, plus many files on a 
server that computer was connected to.


Any ideas or suggestions on the best way to try and fix/remove this 
crap and unencrypt all the files?


Travis









--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[Josh Reynolds]

To add to this, there's a lot of poorly run UBNT networks out there simply
because the price made the equipment more accessable.

I'm sure there's a fair share of poorly designed cambium networks as well,
but likely not as many (more money in the company, higher % of experienced
professionals, etc).

I'm sure there will be just as many poorly designed and ran ePMP and Mimosa
networks given time :)

On Sep 30, 2016 11:08 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> ohhh… good conversation in my opinion.
>
> I came from a pure Cambium/Moto shop and now work with a company that is
> pure ubiquiti … but i’m not hands on with that side of the shop …. would
> say with everything I’ve seen from a  distance that I really miss Cambium
> gear ;)
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Sam Morris  wrote:
> >
> > Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely on
> performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the other would
> you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and CPE/SM hardware
> (leaving the backhaul out of the discussion)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sam
>
>

[AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the 
coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I 
could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  
I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

[Chris Wright]

The only reason the cryptolocker ransomware is so effective is because they 
honor every transaction and unlock your data. The malware itself is relatively 
easy to remove, but the encrypted files are the lasting effect.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

The ransomware is still on the computer after you pay the ransom, right?  So 
the only way to stop them from hitting you again when they're hard up for 
cocaine money is to invest a lot in IT fixes anyway.  Same problem, except if 
you pay the ransom maybe you get your data back.  But paying the ransom also 
encourages them to keep doing it to other people, and maybe contributes to the 
ongoing problem.  I guess it comes down to whether you have enough of it backed 
up.


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 9/30/2016 9:54:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

the ransoms are relatively cheap if youre not a targeted corportation, running 
between 150 and 8The amount of work stoppage and time investment alot of people 
put into this exceeds the ransom anyway

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
FireEye was providing a decrypt tool for the original Cryptolocker but likely 
you are out of luck.  Find a backup, pay the ransom, or kiss your data goodbye.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

Depends on the ransomware.  I found a decryption tool for my mom's computer 
when she managed to get it infected - depends on the particular flavor I'm 
sure.  I think this one had .crypt or .crypted extensions on all the files.  I 
did need an copy of one of the encrypted files prior to the infection for the 
program to do its job though.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Travis Johnson 
> wrote:
Hi,

One of our office computers was just infected with "ransomware". It has 
encrypted all the files on that computer, plus many files on a server that 
computer was connected to.

Any ideas or suggestions on the best way to try and fix/remove this crap and 
unencrypt all the files?

Travis




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] the future of internet security

[Sterling Jacobson]

I don't do this completely, but I'm migrating there, which is run everything on 
VM and do snapshots and full backups often.

That doesn't solve security issues with information compromise, but it does 
bypass cryptolock entirely.
If someone gets in and locks your information, you just roll back to before and 
tighten security.
Most VM management tools now days do this in a few clicks.

Security is another issue.

I really need to start using LONG username and passwords, which appears to be 
one of the best ways to defeat the brute force stuff.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 5:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of internet security

So lots of things - I just woke up so bear with me:
Most are dominant on the Corp side, but are migrating to SMB.

2FA/MFA is big and getting bigger.  Most of your major players support native 
integration with a 2FA provider.   For example: log in to your company VPN with 
you AD credentials, Duo sends a push notification to your device that you 
accept before you're allowed in.  Same goes for Windows servers.
Yes, pretty much block all access that's not needed.  Allow VPN from the world 
if you have to.  Require access to anything else to be across the VPN.
Microsoft has "Direct Access" which implements a seamless behind the scenes 
tunnel back to the "inside" of your network, though it requires IPv6 on any 
internal resource you need to access.
  Lots of things changing in the Windows world.  Hybrid Cloud/On-Prem networks 
are starting to pop up, where you can be on net at the office with your local 
DC's, then talk to the great DC in the sky when you're on the road.
The key is that no matter where you're at, you're sending all your traffic 
through your corporate controls.
Mobile Device Management suites are doing the same thing for phones and tablets.
Citrix and / or VDI has its use case too, where you can keep all the data in 
your friendly confines, and only send pictures across the wire.  Admittedly 
more useful for helping with running "heavy" apps across the network for 
performance reasons, but there's a security play there as well.
SQL injection is happening all the time as well, so be protective of your 
Webapps.
Full disk encryption has it's place as well.
I was at a Sophos meeting the others day where they claim to be able to stop 
Cryptolocker etc with their new "CloudIntercept" product.  Certainly seems like 
a steep claim, but it's interesting.

Which leaves you.  You are the weakest link in all of this.  Lots of stats out 
there about the percentage of hacks linked to social engineering.  
Phishing/Whaling via email is a huge deal right now and the emails are getting 
better all the time.
Phone scams are still prevalent too.
At the end of the day, it's all time and money.  If you're targeted by someone 
who has one or both, they're going to get in some way.  Your goal should be to 
raise the bar high enough that the dumb easy shit doesn't compromise you and 
that you have an active, well rehearsed recovery plan for anything critical.


___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Sep 30, 2016, at 1:22 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:

to be COMPLETELY ANAL i suppose you could deny ALL incoming access and permit 
ONLY the ip addresses you work from.
then it is more work whenever you change a connection but i am aware of that 
policy.
additionally, i suppose someone could spoof your ip.

I keep hearing other security holes are large enterprise environments.  you 
might lock the heck down on the corp network but then joe blow uses his company 
provided ipad with 4glte internet and connects right into something that isn't 
controlled by the internal network security policy and someone comes in that 
way

robots, aren't they great?  Script kiddies


- Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of internet security


i truly believe about 80% of all hacking is social engineering - -

convince the company to let you in - - you're with the phone company to get 
faster internet.  let me in the server room.
i guessed my ex-girlfriend's cat's name.

i have no idea what is involved in hacking the DNC phone records or hillary's 
emails...

probably not social engineering.  weak passwords?
I know looking at a mikrotik log there are tons tons tons tons of random ips 
guessing root passwords...
i usually just disable those ports.


- Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:00 AM
Subject: 

Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

[Jesse Dupont]

We've had to reboot E7s before because of DHCP snooping failures on ONTs.



_
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
To:  


We didn’t do any Calix changes and we don’t think they can push a change.   
From: Paul Stewart Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:07 AMTo: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem Yup …  Four steps to DHCP that 
you should see on the capture DiscoveryOfferResponse Ack (DORA for short) Once 
the Ack is completed then the ONT should have an IP and only come back looking 
for a new IP near expiry and/or a power event etc… I’d suggest testing against 
the DHCP server with a PC with short expiry as noted .. if that works fine then 
go further upstream and repeat.  really sounds like an ONT issue - did you do 
any changes with Calix firmware or anything like that? Just some guesses Paul   
On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Adam Moffett    wrote:   
That   was supposed to say "if you can ping the ONT from the DHCP server"  
stupid   fingers can't keep up with stupid brain.     --   Original Message 
--  From:   "Adam Moffett"   To:   "Animal Farm" 
  Sent:   9/30/2016 9:59:04 AM  Subject:   Re: [AFMUG] Need help 
with DHCP problem   You're doing exactly what I would do. The 
renewal is unicast, so if you can the ONT from the DHCP server then the 
unit should be able to renew.  My guess would be something in the middle 
either dropping the request from the client or dropping the ack from the 
server.  Maybe a misbehaving switch or misconfigured firewall rule.  
Wireshark and/or logs on one end or the other might tell you which step is 
not happening, but they won't tell you which device is dropping the ball.  
I'm guessing you'll run wireshark, see a missing packet from somebody and 
then have to packet capture at points in between to see if the missing 
packet is present or not at that point.   -- Original 
Message --From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/29/2016 11:12:12 PMSubject: [AFMUG] Need help 
with DHCP problem   I have not dug into the entrails of DHCP 
since NAT was added   to Canopy, so long time ago.  I have Calix ONTs that 
are going away   when their DHCP reservations expire.  They normally get 
them from   DHCPatriot.  People lose service, they call, we reset the ONT 
and   service comes back.       Started a couple of days ago, no 
network changes to speak of.    But about 30% are having the problem.   
    There is no way the DHCPatriot could be causing this is there?    
Once it hands out an IP and a reservation time, it is out of the loop,   
right?     I suggest setting up an ONT with a reservation time of 1 
hour then   wireshark the DHCPatriot to see of the ONT ever comes knocking, 
or if it   does, what is going on between those two.       Any 
other troubleshooting ideas out there?  Going to bed,   hopefully there 
will be a bunch of brilliant posts in the morning leading   us directly to 
the bad actor.     

Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

[chuck]

We didn’t do any Calix changes and we don’t think they can push a change.  

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

Yup … 

Four steps to DHCP that you should see on the capture

Discovery
Offer
Response 
Ack

(DORA for short)

Once the Ack is completed then the ONT should have an IP and only come back 
looking for a new IP near expiry and/or a power event etc…

I’d suggest testing against the DHCP server with a PC with short expiry as 
noted .. if that works fine then go further upstream and repeat.  really sounds 
like an ONT issue - did you do any changes with Calix firmware or anything like 
that?

Just some guesses

Paul

  On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  That was supposed to say "if you can ping the ONT from the DHCP server"
  stupid fingers can't keep up with stupid brain.

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: 9/30/2016 9:59:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

You're doing exactly what I would do.

The renewal is unicast, so if you can the ONT from the DHCP server then the 
unit should be able to renew.  My guess would be something in the middle either 
dropping the request from the client or dropping the ack from the server.  
Maybe a misbehaving switch or misconfigured firewall rule.  Wireshark and/or 
logs on one end or the other might tell you which step is not happening, but 
they won't tell you which device is dropping the ball.  I'm guessing you'll run 
wireshark, see a missing packet from somebody and then have to packet capture 
at points in between to see if the missing packet is present or not at that 
point.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/29/2016 11:12:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

  I have not dug into the entrails of DHCP since NAT was added to Canopy, 
so long time ago.  I have Calix ONTs that are going away when their DHCP 
reservations expire.  They normally get them from DHCPatriot.  People lose 
service, they call, we reset the ONT and service comes back.  

  Started a couple of days ago, no network changes to speak of.  But about 
30% are having the problem.  

  There is no way the DHCPatriot could be causing this is there?  Once it 
hands out an IP and a reservation time, it is out of the loop, right?

  I suggest setting up an ONT with a reservation time of 1 hour then 
wireshark the DHCPatriot to see of the ONT ever comes knocking, or if it does, 
what is going on between those two.  

  Any other troubleshooting ideas out there?  Going to bed, hopefully there 
will be a bunch of brilliant posts in the morning leading us directly to the 
bad actor.  

Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

[chuck]

tnx

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

Yup … 

Four steps to DHCP that you should see on the capture

Discovery
Offer
Response 
Ack

(DORA for short)

Once the Ack is completed then the ONT should have an IP and only come back 
looking for a new IP near expiry and/or a power event etc…

I’d suggest testing against the DHCP server with a PC with short expiry as 
noted .. if that works fine then go further upstream and repeat.  really sounds 
like an ONT issue - did you do any changes with Calix firmware or anything like 
that?

Just some guesses

Paul

  On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  That was supposed to say "if you can ping the ONT from the DHCP server"
  stupid fingers can't keep up with stupid brain.

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: 9/30/2016 9:59:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

You're doing exactly what I would do.

The renewal is unicast, so if you can the ONT from the DHCP server then the 
unit should be able to renew.  My guess would be something in the middle either 
dropping the request from the client or dropping the ack from the server.  
Maybe a misbehaving switch or misconfigured firewall rule.  Wireshark and/or 
logs on one end or the other might tell you which step is not happening, but 
they won't tell you which device is dropping the ball.  I'm guessing you'll run 
wireshark, see a missing packet from somebody and then have to packet capture 
at points in between to see if the missing packet is present or not at that 
point.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/29/2016 11:12:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

  I have not dug into the entrails of DHCP since NAT was added to Canopy, 
so long time ago.  I have Calix ONTs that are going away when their DHCP 
reservations expire.  They normally get them from DHCPatriot.  People lose 
service, they call, we reset the ONT and service comes back.  

  Started a couple of days ago, no network changes to speak of.  But about 
30% are having the problem.  

  There is no way the DHCPatriot could be causing this is there?  Once it 
hands out an IP and a reservation time, it is out of the loop, right?

  I suggest setting up an ONT with a reservation time of 1 hour then 
wireshark the DHCPatriot to see of the ONT ever comes knocking, or if it does, 
what is going on between those two.  

  Any other troubleshooting ideas out there?  Going to bed, hopefully there 
will be a bunch of brilliant posts in the morning leading us directly to the 
bad actor.  

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

[Paul Stewart]

ohhh… good conversation in my opinion.

I came from a pure Cambium/Moto shop and now work with a company that is pure 
ubiquiti … but i’m not hands on with that side of the shop …. would say with 
everything I’ve seen from a  distance that I really miss Cambium gear ;)


> On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Sam Morris  wrote:
> 
> Knowing what you know, if you were starting a WISP, based solely on 
> performance and manageability, if you had to be 100% one or the other would 
> you select Ubiquiti or Cambium 450x for your APs and CPE/SM hardware (leaving 
> the backhaul out of the discussion)?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sam

Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem

[Paul Stewart]

Yup …

Four steps to DHCP that you should see on the capture

Discovery
Offer
Response 
Ack

(DORA for short)

Once the Ack is completed then the ONT should have an IP and only come back 
looking for a new IP near expiry and/or a power event etc…

I’d suggest testing against the DHCP server with a PC with short expiry as 
noted .. if that works fine then go further upstream and repeat.  really sounds 
like an ONT issue - did you do any changes with Calix firmware or anything like 
that?

Just some guesses

Paul

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> That was supposed to say "if you can ping the ONT from the DHCP server"
> stupid fingers can't keep up with stupid brain.
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" >
> To: "Animal Farm" >
> Sent: 9/30/2016 9:59:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
>  
>> You're doing exactly what I would do.
>>  
>> The renewal is unicast, so if you can the ONT from the DHCP server then the 
>> unit should be able to renew.  My guess would be something in the middle 
>> either dropping the request from the client or dropping the ack from the 
>> server.  Maybe a misbehaving switch or misconfigured firewall rule.  
>> Wireshark and/or logs on one end or the other might tell you which step is 
>> not happening, but they won't tell you which device is dropping the ball.  
>> I'm guessing you'll run wireshark, see a missing packet from somebody and 
>> then have to packet capture at points in between to see if the missing 
>> packet is present or not at that point.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" >
>> To: "Animal Farm" >
>> Sent: 9/29/2016 11:12:12 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Need help with DHCP problem
>>  
>>> I have not dug into the entrails of DHCP since NAT was added to Canopy, so 
>>> long time ago.  I have Calix ONTs that are going away when their DHCP 
>>> reservations expire.  They normally get them from DHCPatriot.  People lose 
>>> service, they call, we reset the ONT and service comes back. 
>>> 
>>> Started a couple of days ago, no network changes to speak of.  But about 
>>> 30% are having the problem.  
>>> 
>>> There is no way the DHCPatriot could be causing this is there?  Once it 
>>> hands out an IP and a reservation time, it is out of the loop, right?
>>> 
>>> I suggest setting up an ONT with a reservation time of 1 hour then 
>>> wireshark the DHCPatriot to see of the ONT ever comes knocking, or if it 
>>> does, what is going on between those two.  
>>> 
>>> Any other troubleshooting ideas out there?  Going to bed, hopefully there 
>>> will be a bunch of brilliant posts in the morning leading us directly to 
>>> the bad actor.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

[Jason McKemie]

This is the fix for one that my mom downloaded, and has a bit of info on
the infection:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/decryptor-released-for-the-nemucod-trojans-crypted-ransomware/

On Friday, September 30, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> FireEye was providing a decrypt tool for the original Cryptolocker but
> likely you are out of luck.  Find a backup, pay the ransom, or kiss your
> data goodbye.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jason
> McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 1:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware
>
>
>
> Depends on the ransomware.  I found a decryption tool for my mom's
> computer when she managed to get it infected - depends on the particular
> flavor I'm sure.  I think this one had .crypt or .crypted extensions on all
> the files.  I did need an copy of one of the encrypted files prior to the
> infection for the program to do its job though.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Travis Johnson  > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> One of our office computers was just infected with "ransomware". It has
> encrypted all the files on that computer, plus many files on a server that
> computer was connected to.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions on the best way to try and fix/remove this crap
> and unencrypt all the files?
>
> Travis
>
>
>