Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Jaime Solorza]

Depends on your needs from $125.00 and up...

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 6, 2018 1:05 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> What's the cost on those?
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 1:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We have zero issues with these..
>> http://www.pulspower.com/?id=565
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2018 12:44 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>>
>>> The SDR (eg SDR-240-48 [1]) is a 240W AC-DC 48V power supply.  It does
>>> not have a battery charger.   This is what I was talking about.
>>>
>>> The unit to avoid is the SD series of Meanwell's DC-DC converters (use
>>> RSD instead).
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/?qs=pg%252b85jAIcxt
>>> NOjEKDbfLJA%3D%3D
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Robert Andrews 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 After receiving my DRP Meanwell, I can say that this was reversed.
  The SDR is suitable as a battery charger the DRP is a fixed 24V output
 power supply.   I can team it with the DR-UPS40 to make it the same as the
 SDR.Now I remember some people mentioned that there was a unit to stay
 away from because of reset problems?  Can anyone resend what that was?

 Thanks,
 Robert

 On 01/29/2018 10:13 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

> SDR is a power supply.
>
> DRP is a UPS/battery charger.
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Robert Andrews <
> i...@avantwireless.com > wrote:
>
> What does SDR vs DRP mean for the meanwells?
>
>
>
> On 01/29/2018 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt
>
> SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that
>
> This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating
> ubnt sectors too)
> 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
> 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
> Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
> 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or
> Mimosa)
> RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
> HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)
>
> APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card
>
>
>
>
> This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites
>
> 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
> 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
> 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
> 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
> 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
> 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
> 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
> 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
> 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
> 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
> 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power
>
> APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card
>
>
> the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the
> battery budget
>
>
> Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded
> power supplies too.
>
> I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power
> supplies.
>
> Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified
> 450m
> but may soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which
> will add substantial demand
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron
>  
>  >> wrote:
>
>  Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what
> Steve is
>  asking for:
>
>  __ __
>
>  Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>
>  Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>
>  Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>
>  24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime
> looking for
>
>  Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is
> really
> the only
>  expensive component)
>
>  Heater:   $65
>
>  Fan:  $14
>
>  __ __
>
>  With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries,
> we
> figure
>  we have several hours to get a generator to the site if
> power isn’t
>  coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works
> really
>  well.   Here are the other things we can do with the
> box:
>
>   

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Robert Andrews]

My bad, I missed the voltage adjust hidden in the wire grid on the 
bottom.  It allows adjustment up to 28V output, which give the battery 
float voltage I was looking for (27.4).   Alas, that doesn't fix the bad 
unit that I received that just sits there clicking an putting out 15-16V 
under load.

 Now the horrible return process with a off brand amazon purchase.
	 On the other hand I just discovered Jameco is not accepting paypal and 
is now going to be a preferred vendor again...


1/2 the beauty of amazon is that it got vendors to sharpen their pencils 
on their in house sales pricing...


On 02/06/2018 12:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Adding a DR-UPS40 isn't really going to change anything as far as the 
differences go between the SDR and DRP (unless I'm missing something... 
), the DR-UPS40 just puts out the same voltage to the battery that it's 
getting in, so it's still going to be fixed at 24v (which is too low for 
a proper float charge).


On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 1:44 PM, Josh Baird > wrote:


The SDR (eg SDR-240-48 [1]) is a 240W AC-DC 48V power supply.  It
does not have a battery charger.   This is what I was talking about.

The unit to avoid is the SD series of Meanwell's DC-DC converters
(use RSD instead).

[1]
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/?qs=pg%252b85jAIcxtNOjEKDbfLJA%3D%3D


On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Robert Andrews
> wrote:

After receiving my DRP Meanwell, I can say that this was
reversed.   The SDR is suitable as a battery charger the DRP is
a fixed 24V output power supply.   I can team it with the
DR-UPS40 to make it the same as the SDR.Now I remember some
people mentioned that there was a unit to stay away from because
of reset problems?  Can anyone resend what that was?

Thanks,
 Robert

On 01/29/2018 10:13 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

SDR is a power supply.

DRP is a UPS/battery charger.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Robert Andrews

>> wrote:

 What does SDR vs DRP mean for the meanwells?



 On 01/29/2018 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

 That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

 SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent
priced that

 This is what most of our sites have (theres some
depreciating
 ubnt sectors too)
 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell
DR-120-48
 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
 Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket)
(lic: SAF or
 Mimosa)
 RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
 HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

 APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card




 This is probably one of our more heavily populated
sites

 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x
Integra soon)
 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

 APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card


 the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont
have the
 battery budget


 Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords
and branded
 power supplies too.

 I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the
power supplies.

 Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent
justified 450m
 but may soon and we will roll some LTE in the near
term which
 will add substantial demand


 On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron
 
 >
   

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Mathew Howard]

What's the cost on those?

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 1:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We have zero issues with these..
> http://www.pulspower.com/?id=565
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 6, 2018 12:44 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>
>> The SDR (eg SDR-240-48 [1]) is a 240W AC-DC 48V power supply.  It does
>> not have a battery charger.   This is what I was talking about.
>>
>> The unit to avoid is the SD series of Meanwell's DC-DC converters (use
>> RSD instead).
>>
>> [1] https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/?qs=pg%252b85jAIcxt
>> NOjEKDbfLJA%3D%3D
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Robert Andrews 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After receiving my DRP Meanwell, I can say that this was reversed.   The
>>> SDR is suitable as a battery charger the DRP is a fixed 24V output power
>>> supply.   I can team it with the DR-UPS40 to make it the same as the SDR.
>>>   Now I remember some people mentioned that there was a unit to stay away
>>> from because of reset problems?  Can anyone resend what that was?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> On 01/29/2018 10:13 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>
 SDR is a power supply.

 DRP is a UPS/battery charger.

 On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Robert Andrews > wrote:

 What does SDR vs DRP mean for the meanwells?



 On 01/29/2018 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

 That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

 SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that

 This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating
 ubnt sectors too)
 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
 Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or
 Mimosa)
 RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
 HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

 APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card




 This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites

 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

 APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card


 the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the
 battery budget


 Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded
 power supplies too.

 I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power
 supplies.

 Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m
 but may soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which
 will add substantial demand


 On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron
 
 >> wrote:

  Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what
 Steve is
  asking for:

  __ __

  Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84

  Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37

  Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131

  24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime
 looking for

  Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really
 the only
  expensive component)

  Heater:   $65

  Fan:  $14

  __ __

  With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we
 figure
  we have several hours to get a generator to the site if
 power isn’t
  coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works
 really
  well.   Here are the other things we can do with the
 box:

   1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
   2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP
 DIN
   3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
   4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
   5. Monitor Current to the 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Mathew Howard]

Adding a DR-UPS40 isn't really going to change anything as far as the
differences go between the SDR and DRP (unless I'm missing something... ),
the DR-UPS40 just puts out the same voltage to the battery that it's
getting in, so it's still going to be fixed at 24v (which is too low for a
proper float charge).

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 1:44 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> The SDR (eg SDR-240-48 [1]) is a 240W AC-DC 48V power supply.  It does not
> have a battery charger.   This is what I was talking about.
>
> The unit to avoid is the SD series of Meanwell's DC-DC converters (use RSD
> instead).
>
> [1] https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/?qs=pg%
> 252b85jAIcxtNOjEKDbfLJA%3D%3D
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> After receiving my DRP Meanwell, I can say that this was reversed.   The
>> SDR is suitable as a battery charger the DRP is a fixed 24V output power
>> supply.   I can team it with the DR-UPS40 to make it the same as the SDR.
>>   Now I remember some people mentioned that there was a unit to stay away
>> from because of reset problems?  Can anyone resend what that was?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robert
>>
>> On 01/29/2018 10:13 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>>> SDR is a power supply.
>>>
>>> DRP is a UPS/battery charger.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Robert Andrews >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> What does SDR vs DRP mean for the meanwells?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/29/2018 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt
>>>
>>> SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that
>>>
>>> This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating
>>> ubnt sectors too)
>>> 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
>>> 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
>>> Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
>>> 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or
>>> Mimosa)
>>> RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
>>> HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)
>>>
>>> APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites
>>>
>>> 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
>>> 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
>>> 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
>>> 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
>>> 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
>>> 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
>>> 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
>>> 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
>>> 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
>>> 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
>>> 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power
>>>
>>> APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card
>>>
>>>
>>> the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the
>>> battery budget
>>>
>>>
>>> Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded
>>> power supplies too.
>>>
>>> I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power
>>> supplies.
>>>
>>> Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m
>>> but may soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which
>>> will add substantial demand
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron
>>> >> 
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what
>>> Steve is
>>>  asking for:
>>>
>>>  __ __
>>>
>>>  Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>>>
>>>  Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>>>
>>>  Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>>>
>>>  24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime
>>> looking for
>>>
>>>  Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really
>>> the only
>>>  expensive component)
>>>
>>>  Heater:   $65
>>>
>>>  Fan:  $14
>>>
>>>  __ __
>>>
>>>  With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we
>>> figure
>>>  we have several hours to get a generator to the site if
>>> power isn’t
>>>  coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works
>>> really
>>>  well.   Here are the other things we can do with the
>>> box:
>>>
>>>   1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>>>   2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP
>>> DIN
>>>   3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>>>   4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>>>   5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Jaime Solorza]

We have zero issues with these..
http://www.pulspower.com/?id=565

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 6, 2018 12:44 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:

> The SDR (eg SDR-240-48 [1]) is a 240W AC-DC 48V power supply.  It does not
> have a battery charger.   This is what I was talking about.
>
> The unit to avoid is the SD series of Meanwell's DC-DC converters (use RSD
> instead).
>
> [1] https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/?qs=pg%
> 252b85jAIcxtNOjEKDbfLJA%3D%3D
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> After receiving my DRP Meanwell, I can say that this was reversed.   The
>> SDR is suitable as a battery charger the DRP is a fixed 24V output power
>> supply.   I can team it with the DR-UPS40 to make it the same as the SDR.
>>   Now I remember some people mentioned that there was a unit to stay away
>> from because of reset problems?  Can anyone resend what that was?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robert
>>
>> On 01/29/2018 10:13 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>>> SDR is a power supply.
>>>
>>> DRP is a UPS/battery charger.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Robert Andrews >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> What does SDR vs DRP mean for the meanwells?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/29/2018 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt
>>>
>>> SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that
>>>
>>> This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating
>>> ubnt sectors too)
>>> 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
>>> 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
>>> Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
>>> 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or
>>> Mimosa)
>>> RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
>>> HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)
>>>
>>> APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites
>>>
>>> 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
>>> 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
>>> 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
>>> 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
>>> 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
>>> 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
>>> 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
>>> 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
>>> 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
>>> 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
>>> 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power
>>>
>>> APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card
>>>
>>>
>>> the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the
>>> battery budget
>>>
>>>
>>> Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded
>>> power supplies too.
>>>
>>> I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power
>>> supplies.
>>>
>>> Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m
>>> but may soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which
>>> will add substantial demand
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron
>>> >> 
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what
>>> Steve is
>>>  asking for:
>>>
>>>  __ __
>>>
>>>  Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>>>
>>>  Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>>>
>>>  Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>>>
>>>  24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime
>>> looking for
>>>
>>>  Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really
>>> the only
>>>  expensive component)
>>>
>>>  Heater:   $65
>>>
>>>  Fan:  $14
>>>
>>>  __ __
>>>
>>>  With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we
>>> figure
>>>  we have several hours to get a generator to the site if
>>> power isn’t
>>>  coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works
>>> really
>>>  well.   Here are the other things we can do with the
>>> box:
>>>
>>>   1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>>>   2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP
>>> DIN
>>>   3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>>>   4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>>>   5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>>>   6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>>>   7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>>>   8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>>>   9. Power cycle the netonix from 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

The SDR (eg SDR-240-48 [1]) is a 240W AC-DC 48V power supply.  It does not
have a battery charger.   This is what I was talking about.

The unit to avoid is the SD series of Meanwell's DC-DC converters (use RSD
instead).

[1]
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/?qs=pg%252b85jAIcxtNOjEKDbfLJA%3D%3D

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> After receiving my DRP Meanwell, I can say that this was reversed.   The
> SDR is suitable as a battery charger the DRP is a fixed 24V output power
> supply.   I can team it with the DR-UPS40 to make it the same as the SDR.
>   Now I remember some people mentioned that there was a unit to stay away
> from because of reset problems?  Can anyone resend what that was?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>
> On 01/29/2018 10:13 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
>> SDR is a power supply.
>>
>> DRP is a UPS/battery charger.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Robert Andrews > > wrote:
>>
>> What does SDR vs DRP mean for the meanwells?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/29/2018 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt
>>
>> SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that
>>
>> This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating
>> ubnt sectors too)
>> 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
>> 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
>> Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
>> 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or
>> Mimosa)
>> RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
>> HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)
>>
>> APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites
>>
>> 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
>> 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
>> 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
>> 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
>> 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
>> 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
>> 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
>> 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
>> 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
>> 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
>> 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power
>>
>> APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card
>>
>>
>> the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the
>> battery budget
>>
>>
>> Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded
>> power supplies too.
>>
>> I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power
>> supplies.
>>
>> Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m
>> but may soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which
>> will add substantial demand
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron
>> > 
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>>  Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what
>> Steve is
>>  asking for:
>>
>>  __ __
>>
>>  Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>>
>>  Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>>
>>  Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>>
>>  24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime
>> looking for
>>
>>  Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really
>> the only
>>  expensive component)
>>
>>  Heater:   $65
>>
>>  Fan:  $14
>>
>>  __ __
>>
>>  With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we
>> figure
>>  we have several hours to get a generator to the site if
>> power isn’t
>>  coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works
>> really
>>  well.   Here are the other things we can do with the box:
>>
>>   1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>>   2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>>   3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>>   4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>>   5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>>   6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>>   7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>>   8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>>   9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
>>  10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
>>
>>  __ __
>>
>>  We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a
>> Hex POE
>>  (for small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
>>
>>  __ 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Robert Andrews]

After receiving my DRP Meanwell, I can say that this was reversed.   The 
SDR is suitable as a battery charger the DRP is a fixed 24V output power 
supply.   I can team it with the DR-UPS40 to make it the same as the 
SDR.Now I remember some people mentioned that there was a unit to 
stay away from because of reset problems?  Can anyone resend what that was?


Thanks,
Robert

On 01/29/2018 10:13 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

SDR is a power supply.

DRP is a UPS/battery charger.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Robert Andrews > wrote:


What does SDR vs DRP mean for the meanwells?


On 01/29/2018 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that

This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating
ubnt sectors too)
4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or
Mimosa)
RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card




This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites

4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card


the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the
battery budget


Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded
power supplies too.

I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.

Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m
but may soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which
will add substantial demand


On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron

>> wrote:

 Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what
Steve is
 asking for:

 __ __

 Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84

 Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37

 Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131

 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime
looking for

 Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really
the only
 expensive component)

 Heater:   $65

 Fan:  $14

 __ __

 With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we
figure
 we have several hours to get a generator to the site if
power isn’t
 coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really
 well.   Here are the other things we can do with the box:

  1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
  2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
  3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
  4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
  5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
  6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
  7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
  8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
  9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
 10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

 __ __

 We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a
Hex POE
 (for small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.

 __ __

 We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15
more right
 now.   While it might be a little more than what you were
thinking,
 it gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment
per site.
 

 __ __

 Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the
Monitor
 Web2 settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are
interested in
 pictures.   For this second batch we have started using
Terminal
 blocks to clean up the wiring, the cabinets look a little
better,
 but we went to a smaller poly cabinet that 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Jeremy]

Also, I started out using Cisco POE switches with UBNT 802.3af adapters.
They were problematic, and the POE fails around 10 degrees.  I use Netonix
at most sites now, but most devices are still powered using the
GIGE-POE-APC units from Chuck.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:48 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The AC-DC power supply is in the back of the rack.  Meanwell 24V and
> Trango -48V.  The APC is left behind from the old days of how I used to
> build out sites.  All of our sites are straight DC now, but these two sites
> are the only two left with APC units.  The ICT stuff was expensive, but it
> has been solid as a rock for five years now.  I can't remember
> exactly...think I got them from Hutton.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 12:13 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeremy must hate POE switches also why the APC with your DC plant,
>> have you considered a dc-ac inverter?
>>
>> Where is the AC-DC power supply? dont see one in rack
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I love my ICT stuff!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unless your batteries are really stoned.
>>>> -----Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, January
>>>> 31, 2018 5:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant
>>>> conversion
>>>> On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD
>>>>> units can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
>>>> shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
>>>> enough for startup inrush though.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Jeremy]

The AC-DC power supply is in the back of the rack.  Meanwell 24V and Trango
-48V.  The APC is left behind from the old days of how I used to build out
sites.  All of our sites are straight DC now, but these two sites are the
only two left with APC units.  The ICT stuff was expensive, but it has been
solid as a rock for five years now.  I can't remember exactly...think I got
them from Hutton.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 12:13 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> Jeremy must hate POE switches also why the APC with your DC plant,
> have you considered a dc-ac inverter?
>
> Where is the AC-DC power supply? dont see one in rack
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I love my ICT stuff!
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless your batteries are really stoned.
>>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, January
>>> 31, 2018 5:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant
>>> conversion
>>> On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD
>>>> units can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
>>> shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
>>> enough for startup inrush though.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm in the process of fixing this.

The medusa cards, and the new polarity agnostic cards for the rackinjector
don't care.   This technology will make it back into the PDU's.

With the wiring arrangement we have today, the total 8A limit will likely
remain when arranged with a single input going to 5 outputs (the connectors
are only rated up to 8A).   We will likely release a couple of other
arrangements as well, likely including a 6 port 'current limited switch'
version which should do several amps per switch, with each switch isolated
from the others so we won't care what voltage each switches.

I'm also thinking that it might make sense to do a single pole switching
unit where you have 2 inputs each going to 5 outputs each, but with ground
not passing through the unit.   Each input would still be limited to 8A.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Careful.  Packetflux PDU can't do positive ground.  So no -48.  Found that
> out the hard way.
> If neither the load or the power supply has a ground on the positive wire
> then you're good to go.
>
> When I connected 3 Telrad Compacts (positive ground) nothing exploded, but
> you couldn't actually switch any of them off.  If I turned off one port,
> the load moved to one of the other ports.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 1/31/2018 3:03:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
> PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is
> likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>
>> I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the
>> ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do
>> everything.  We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow
>> them to be power cycled when necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…
>>
>>
>>
>> Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
>> 24V 400W.
>>
>> Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
>>
>> Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>
>>
>>
>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>> some advisory busget.
>>
>>
>>
>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
>> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
>> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
>> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
<http://twitter.com/@packetflux>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm looking at a revised PSU-like device which should be able to handle
this.

What is the maximim per-site load you're looking at?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:05 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:

> Hmmm  not enough power, the Telrad BTS draw up to 100 watts, some of our
> sites have 6 units.
>
> I suppose we could have two PDU with 3 on each….
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:23 PM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> Yep, the PacketFlux PDU is perfect for that. We have a couple of Baicells
> eNBs running off them.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is
> likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>
> I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the
> ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do
> everything.  We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow
> them to be power cycled when necessary.
>
>
>
> Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…
>
>
>
> Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
> 24V 400W.
>
> Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
>
> Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>
>
>
> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some
> advisory busget.
>
>
>
> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
<http://twitter.com/@packetflux>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[TJ Trout]

Jeremy must hate POE switches also why the APC with your DC plant, have
you considered a dc-ac inverter?

Where is the AC-DC power supply? dont see one in rack

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love my ICT stuff!
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Unless your batteries are really stoned.
>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, January
>> 31, 2018 5:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant
>> conversion
>> On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>>> Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units
>>> can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.
>>>
>>
>>
>> SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
>> shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
>> enough for startup inrush though.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Chuck McCown]

Unless your batteries are really stoned.  

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 5:20 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion 


On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units 
can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.



SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second 
shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more 
than enough for startup inrush though.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

On the load side in my case.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Mark Frost <mfr...@onq.com.au> wrote:

> Not fun indeed. When you say current in-rush, is that on the mains/supply
> side?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:54
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> My problem with them (SD) was that a current in-rush would trip them, and
> the only way to get them to work again was to power cycle them.  Not fun.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Mark Frost <mfr...@onq.com.au> wrote:
>
> What dramas did you have with the SD units? Any model specifically?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:15
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> Good info - thanks!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
>
> On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units
> can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.
>
>
>
> SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
> shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
> enough for startup inrush though.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Mark Frost]

Not fun indeed. When you say current in-rush, is that on the mains/supply side?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:54
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

My problem with them (SD) was that a current in-rush would trip them, and the 
only way to get them to work again was to power cycle them.  Not fun.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Mark Frost 
<mfr...@onq.com.au<mailto:mfr...@onq.com.au>> wrote:
What dramas did you have with the SD units? Any model specifically?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:15
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Good info - thanks!

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Seth Mattinen 
<se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units can be 
hard to find at times, but are super reliable.


SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second 
shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than 
enough for startup inrush though.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Lewis Bergman]

Which is why everyone used the RSD. I had to learn that lesson as well.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 7:53 PM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My problem with them (SD) was that a current in-rush would trip them, and
> the only way to get them to work again was to power cycle them.  Not fun.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Mark Frost <mfr...@onq.com.au> wrote:
>
>> What dramas did you have with the SD units? Any model specifically?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:15
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> Good info - thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units
>> can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.
>>
>>
>>
>> SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
>> shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
>> enough for startup inrush though.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Thanks for the great information everyone!

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

On Jan 31, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

My problem with them (SD) was that a current in-rush would trip them, and the 
only way to get them to work again was to power cycle them.  Not fun.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Mark Frost 
<mfr...@onq.com.au<mailto:mfr...@onq.com.au>> wrote:
What dramas did you have with the SD units? Any model specifically?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:15
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Good info - thanks!

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Seth Mattinen 
<se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units can be 
hard to find at times, but are super reliable.


SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second 
shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than 
enough for startup inrush though.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

My problem with them (SD) was that a current in-rush would trip them, and
the only way to get them to work again was to power cycle them.  Not fun.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Mark Frost <mfr...@onq.com.au> wrote:

> What dramas did you have with the SD units? Any model specifically?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:15
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> Good info - thanks!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
>
> On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units
> can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.
>
>
>
> SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
> shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
> enough for startup inrush though.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Mark Frost]

What dramas did you have with the SD units? Any model specifically?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:15
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Good info - thanks!

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Seth Mattinen 
<se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units can be 
hard to find at times, but are super reliable.


SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second 
shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than 
enough for startup inrush though.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

Good info - thanks!

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
>
>> Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units
>> can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.
>>
>
>
> SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
> shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
> enough for startup inrush though.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[TJ Trout]

I wasted a small fortune with the SD series. what a joke.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
>
>> Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units
>> can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.
>>
>
>
> SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
> shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
> enough for startup inrush though.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units 
can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.



SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second 
shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more 
than enough for startup inrush though.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Yes, it’s the modular with 2x700W supplies.  If I ordered without the toggles, 
I could use a distribution switch and add a 3rd.  You can also stack units for 
more capacity.


I love the web interface, friendly and easy to use…The Alpha stuff requires a 
lot of reading and is old and clunky.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com<http://www.silowireless.com/>
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
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Paris Chamber of Commerce
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From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 6:05 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Is that the modular one?   Looks like that one unit loaded with one 700 watt 
PSU is about the same as the two units I am looking at.   Just which fits the 
environment best.

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 2:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

The ICT -48 Unit I have has a 4 position toggle switch breaker…the breakers can 
be remote tripped via the easy to use web interface.  You could get away with 
that instead of the distribution panel.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
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From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Dustin Jurman <dus...@rseng.net<mailto:dus...@rseng.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 5:19 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

We have been playing with some of these in -48 and IDC Netonix.  Working very 
well.

DSJ

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 2:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the 
ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do everything.  
We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow them to be power 
cycled when necessary.

Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…

Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
can...@believewireless.net<mailto:can...@believewireless.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU 24V 
400W.
Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realist

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[SmarterBroadband]

Good to know…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

 

Careful.  Packetflux PDU can't do positive ground.  So no -48.  Found that out 
the hard way.

If neither the load or the power supply has a ground on the positive wire then 
you're good to go.

 

When I connected 3 Telrad Compacts (positive ground) nothing exploded, but you 
couldn't actually switch any of them off.  If I turned off one port, the load 
moved to one of the other ports.  

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> >

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

Sent: 1/31/2018 3:03:25 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

 

PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is 
likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.

 

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the 
ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do everything.  
We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow them to be power 
cycled when necessary.

 

Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…

 

Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of can...@believewireless.net <mailto:can...@believewireless.net> 
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

 

It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU 24V 
400W. 

Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc. 

Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​

 

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder?

 

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

 

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[SmarterBroadband]

Is that the modular one?   Looks like that one unit loaded with one 700 watt 
PSU is about the same as the two units I am looking at.   Just which fits the 
environment best.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 2:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

 

The ICT -48 Unit I have has a 4 position toggle switch breaker…the breakers can 
be remote tripped via the easy to use web interface.  You could get away with 
that instead of the distribution panel.

 

Cheers,

 

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

1-866-727-4138 x-600

 <http://www.silowireless.com/> http://www.silowireless.com

Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

 

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:

CanWISP  <http://www.canwisp.ca> http://www.canwisp.ca 

WISPA  <http://wispa.org> http://wispa.org

Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce

Paris Chamber of Commerce

Cambridge Chamber of Commerce

 

 

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From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of 
Dustin Jurman <dus...@rseng.net <mailto:dus...@rseng.net> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com 
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 5:19 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

 

We have been playing with some of these in -48 and IDC Netonix.  Working very 
well.  

 

DSJ

 

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 2:58 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

 

I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the 
ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do everything.  
We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow them to be power 
cycled when necessary.

 

Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…

 

Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of  <mailto:can...@believewireless.net> can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

 

It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU 24V 
400W. 

Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc. 

Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​

 

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones < 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder?

 

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

 

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Andreas Wiatowski]

The ICT -48 Unit I have has a 4 position toggle switch breaker…the breakers can 
be remote tripped via the easy to use web interface.  You could get away with 
that instead of the distribution panel.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com<http://www.silowireless.com/>
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce


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From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Dustin Jurman <dus...@rseng.net>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 5:19 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

We have been playing with some of these in -48 and IDC Netonix.  Working very 
well.

DSJ

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 2:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the 
ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do everything.  
We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow them to be power 
cycled when necessary.

Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…

Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
can...@believewireless.net<mailto:can...@believewireless.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU 24V 
400W.
Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder?

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Andreas Wiatowski]

I lost 3 Telrad 3000 RRU by having a Cambium CMM powered on DC plant then 
adding Telrad.  Turned up the Telrad…#SPARKSHOW

The power connectors were melted off the board on the tower top. 30K mistake

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com<http://www.silowireless.com/>
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce


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From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 4:13 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

When I say "found out the hard way" I should clarify that was through no fault 
of packetflux.  The description of the PDU clearly states that it has a 
negative ground, it was a failure on my part to internalize that information.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 1/31/2018 4:10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Careful.  Packetflux PDU can't do positive ground.  So no -48.  Found that out 
the hard way.
If neither the load or the power supply has a ground on the positive wire then 
you're good to go.

When I connected 3 Telrad Compacts (positive ground) nothing exploded, but you 
couldn't actually switch any of them off.  If I turned off one port, the load 
moved to one of the other ports.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 1/31/2018 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is 
likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband 
<li...@sbb.net<mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the 
ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do everything.  
We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow them to be power 
cycled when necessary.

Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…

Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of can...@believewireless.net<mailto:can...@believewireless.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU 24V 
400W.
Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder?

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Dustin Jurman]

We have been playing with some of these in -48 and IDC Netonix.  Working very 
well.

DSJ

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 2:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the 
ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do everything.  
We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow them to be power 
cycled when necessary.

Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…

Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
can...@believewireless.net<mailto:can...@believewireless.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU 24V 
400W.
Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder?

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Mathew Howard]

Interesting... I didn't realize Telrad used positive ground. That would be
a problem...

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Careful.  Packetflux PDU can't do positive ground.  So no -48.  Found that
> out the hard way.
> If neither the load or the power supply has a ground on the positive wire
> then you're good to go.
>
> When I connected 3 Telrad Compacts (positive ground) nothing exploded, but
> you couldn't actually switch any of them off.  If I turned off one port,
> the load moved to one of the other ports.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 1/31/2018 3:03:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
> PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is
> likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>
>> I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the
>> ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do
>> everything.  We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow
>> them to be power cycled when necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…
>>
>>
>>
>> Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
>> 24V 400W.
>>
>> Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
>>
>> Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>
>>
>>
>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>> some advisory busget.
>>
>>
>>
>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
>> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
>> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
>> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Adam Moffett]

When I say "found out the hard way" I should clarify that was through no 
fault of packetflux.  The description of the PDU clearly states that it 
has a negative ground, it was a failure on my part to internalize that 
information.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/31/2018 4:10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Careful.  Packetflux PDU can't do positive ground.  So no -48.  Found 
that out the hard way.
If neither the load or the power supply has a ground on the positive 
wire then you're good to go.


When I connected 3 Telrad Compacts (positive ground) nothing exploded, 
but you couldn't actually switch any of them off.  If I turned off one 
port, the load moved to one of the other ports.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/31/2018 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This 
is likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> 
wrote:
I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the 
ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do 
everything.  We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will 
allow them to be power cycled when necessary.




Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…



Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.



Adam



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
can...@believewireless.net

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion



It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex 
PSU 24V 400W.


Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, 
etc.


Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​



On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:


Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small 
wisp budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and 
giving realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar 
components combined with a full time linux guy and a full time 
coder?




Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do 
have some advisory busget.




Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on 
batteries coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes 
by letting the apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i 
have to go to the facebook groups, and thats like going to a 
mikrotik or ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Adam Moffett]

Careful.  Packetflux PDU can't do positive ground.  So no -48.  Found 
that out the hard way.
If neither the load or the power supply has a ground on the positive 
wire then you're good to go.


When I connected 3 Telrad Compacts (positive ground) nothing exploded, 
but you couldn't actually switch any of them off.  If I turned off one 
port, the load moved to one of the other ports.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/31/2018 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This 
is likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> 
wrote:
I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the 
ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do 
everything.  We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will 
allow them to be power cycled when necessary.




Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…



Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.



Adam



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
can...@believewireless.net

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion



It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex 
PSU 24V 400W.


Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, 
etc.


Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​



On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:


Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp 
budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving 
realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar 
components combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?




Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have 
some advisory busget.




Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on 
batteries coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by 
letting the apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have 
to go to the facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or 
ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[SmarterBroadband]

Hmmm  not enough power, the Telrad BTS draw up to 100 watts, some of our sites 
have 6 units.

I suppose we could have two PDU with 3 on each….

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:23 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

 

Yep, the PacketFlux PDU is perfect for that. We have a couple of Baicells eNBs 
running off them.

 

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com 
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is 
likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.

 

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the 
ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do everything.  
We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow them to be power 
cycled when necessary.

 

Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…

 

Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of can...@believewireless.net <mailto:can...@believewireless.net> 
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

 

It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU 24V 
400W. 

Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc. 

Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​

 

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder?

 

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

 

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Steve Jones]

you want i should leave the side door unlocked some night?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
wrote:

> Ill take all your XL UPS
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Monday, January 29, 2018 at 1:56 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
> That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt
>
> SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that
>
> This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt sectors
> too)
> 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
> 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
> Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
> 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
> RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
> HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)
>
> APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card
>
>
>
>
> This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites
>
> 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
> 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
> 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
> 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
> 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
> 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
> 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
> 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
> 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
> 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
> 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power
>
> APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card
>
>
> the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget
>
>
> Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power
> supplies too.
>
> I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.
>
> Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but may
> soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add substantial
> demand
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking
>> for:
>>
>>
>>
>> Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>>
>> Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>>
>> Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>>
>> 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
>>
>> Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
>> expensive component)
>>
>> Heater:   $65
>>
>> Fan:  $14
>>
>>
>>
>> With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we
>> have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming
>> back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are
>> the other things we can do with the box:
>>
>>1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>>2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>>3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>>4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>>5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>>6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>>7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>>8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>>9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
>>10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
>>
>>
>>
>> We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for
>> small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
>> now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it
>> gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2
>> settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.
>> For this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the
>> wiring, the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly
>> cabinet that makes things a little tight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do
>> it now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't
>> exist so we just went down to 24V off of o

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[TJ Trout]

ICT is amazing (made in canada) never had a single failure in 10+ years!

You can use the intellicharge series and a ethernet relay set (like packet
flux), the bast is their modular system with redundant psu's, breakers,
remote reboot and monitoring, battery charging, testing etc but they are
pricey$$

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yep, the PacketFlux PDU is perfect for that. We have a couple of Baicells
> eNBs running off them.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is
>> likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the
>>> ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do
>>> everything.  We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow
>>> them to be power cycled when necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>>> can...@believewireless.net
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
>>> 24V 400W.
>>>
>>> Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
>>>
>>> Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>>> some advisory busget.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on
>>> batteries coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by
>>> letting the apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go
>>> to the facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Mathew Howard]

Yep, the PacketFlux PDU is perfect for that. We have a couple of Baicells
eNBs running off them.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is
> likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>
>> I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the
>> ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do
>> everything.  We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow
>> them to be power cycled when necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…
>>
>>
>>
>> Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
>> 24V 400W.
>>
>> Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
>>
>> Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>
>>
>>
>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>> some advisory busget.
>>
>>
>>
>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
>> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
>> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
>> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Gino A. Villarini]

Ill take all your XL UPS

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, January 29, 2018 at 1:56 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that

This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt sectors too)
4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card




This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites

4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card


the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget


Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power supplies too.

I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.

Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but may soon 
and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add substantial demand


On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking for:

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only expensive 
component)
Heater:   $65
Fan:  $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we have 
several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.   We 
run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other things 
we can do with the box:

  1.  Monitor temp in the cabinet
  2.  Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
  3.  Monitor voltage of the batteries
  4.  Monitor voltage to the Netonix
  5.  Monitor Current to the Netonix
  6.  Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
  7.  Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
  8.  Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
  9.  Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
  10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for small 
sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.

We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right now.   
While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it gives us a ton 
of control for pretty minimal investment per site.

Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2 
settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.   For 
this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the wiring, 
the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly cabinet that 
makes things a little tight.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do it now 
I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't exist so we 
just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and run a redundant powered 24V 
bus which all the netonix switches run on.

I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all up. These 
are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.

On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port version is $600.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Baird <joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is
likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:

> I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the
> ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do
> everything.  We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow
> them to be power cycled when necessary.
>
>
>
> Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…
>
>
>
> Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
> 24V 400W.
>
> Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
>
> Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>
>
>
> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some
> advisory busget.
>
>
>
> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Bill Prince]

If you need any 48V in your application, you are better off using that 
as your base voltage and converting to 24V as needed. 48V-24V converters 
are much easier to come by, and the current draw on 48V will be half 
what it is on 24V (assuming the same power levels).



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/29/2018 1:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, the lack of a 48v version of the DR-UPS was one of the problems 
I ran into too... my fix was to use a 24v to 48v DC converter. Pretty 
much every site ends up needing both 48v and 24v anyway, so unless you 
do a complete DC plant for each voltage, you're going to end up 
needing some kind of a converter one way or the other anyhow, and that 
way you can do two batteries instead of four. Only problem being I 
haven't found a nice DIN rail 24v-48v converter (the meanwell one does 
the job fine, it's just not a proper DIN mount device).


So the way I'm leaning for new sites is to do a nice big Meanwell DIN 
mount 24v power supply, with a DR-UPS and and a 24v to 48v DC 
converter, connected to two PacketFlux PDUs (one for 48v and one for 
24v). That gives me five remotely controllable power outputs for each 
voltage that I can use to power whatever routers, switches, PoE 
injectors, or whatever I need. And there are contacts on those power 
supplies that can be connected to the Packetflux Base for monitoring 
purposes.


Might be able to do things a bit more cleanly with a Rackinjector 
too... I haven't had time to play with that much yet though.


On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com 
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Yeah - the lack of a 48VDC UPS from Meanwell is annoying.  For
small-ish sites, we have been running a Meanwell/Traco hybrid
using the SDR-240-48 and a Traco TSP-BCM48A or BCMU360.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

There's a lot to like about that setup. The DR-UPS can do
40amp on 24v, so your upper limit is almost 1kW.  Just drive
it with a bigger 24v supply as needed.

What has held me back from that in the past is the DR-UPS is
not available in 48v, and the biggest power consumers I have
are 48V.  I went to Traco to stay 48V.  OTOH your rig is so
much cheaper than Traco that adding an RSD-300B-48 for another
$100 is not a bad deal.


-- Original Message --
From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com
<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 1/28/2018 10:39:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion


Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what
Steve is asking for:

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source: $84

Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37

Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131

24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime
looking for

Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really
the only expensive component)

Heater:   $65

Fan:  $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we
figure we have several hours to get a generator to the site
if power isn’t coming back.   We run all POE from the
Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other things we
can do with the box:

 1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
 2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
 3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
 4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
 5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
 6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
 7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
 8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
 9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet. Usually a Hex
POE (for small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.

We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15
more right now.   While it might be a little more than what
you were thinking, it gives us a ton of control for pretty
minimal investment per site.

Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the
Monitor Web2 settings and/or SNMP.    Let me know if you are
interested in pictures.   For this second batch we have
started using Terminal blocks to clean up the wiring, the
cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly
cabinet that makes things a little tight.

Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.co

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[David Coudron]

Yes, we have moved to the Netonix to power all POE in the cabinet.  Makes 
things really simple, but there is a limited amount of wattage you can get out 
of it.   We use the 250 Watt model, which is more than double what we need, but 
then you can power all 24V and all 48V from that and have the ability to 
control power to any port individually so that you can power cycle any device 
hooked to it.   Works really well, but probably more for lower wattage 
installations, however I see you can get them up to 500 Watts.Our biggest 
thing was to reduce the amount of stuff in the cabinet and reduce the cost.   
The big ticket item is the Netonix, so it doesn’t help with cost reduction as 
much, but really reduces clutter.   We are fitting the two Meanwells, the Tycon 
TPDIN, Netonix, Mikrotik Router, two batteries, a fan and a heater inside a 
20x16x8 inch cabinet.   Biggest issue is all the wires running to the TPDIN to 
monitor voltage, current, and Relays for the Fan, Heater and Netonix.

Regards,

David Coudron



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 3:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

We used to need both 24VDC (for FSK and old MT) and 48VDC at most sites, but 
now we only deploy 48VDC at newer sites.  If we do need 24V for whatever 
reason, we typically use a Netonix switch that can output 24V via PoE.

What are you using on new sites that requires 24V?

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 4:40 PM, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah, the lack of a 48v version of the DR-UPS was one of the problems I ran 
into too... my fix was to use a 24v to 48v DC converter. Pretty much every site 
ends up needing both 48v and 24v anyway, so unless you do a complete DC plant 
for each voltage, you're going to end up needing some kind of a converter one 
way or the other anyhow, and that way you can do two batteries instead of four. 
Only problem being I haven't found a nice DIN rail 24v-48v converter (the 
meanwell one does the job fine, it's just not a proper DIN mount device).
So the way I'm leaning for new sites is to do a nice big Meanwell DIN mount 24v 
power supply, with a DR-UPS and and a 24v to 48v DC converter, connected to two 
PacketFlux PDUs (one for 48v and one for 24v). That gives me five remotely 
controllable power outputs for each voltage that I can use to power whatever 
routers, switches, PoE injectors, or whatever I need. And there are contacts on 
those power supplies that can be connected to the Packetflux Base for 
monitoring purposes.
Might be able to do things a bit more cleanly with a Rackinjector too... I 
haven't had time to play with that much yet though.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah - the lack of a 48VDC UPS from Meanwell is annoying.  For small-ish sites, 
we have been running a Meanwell/Traco hybrid using the SDR-240-48 and a Traco 
TSP-BCM48A or BCMU360.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's a lot to like about that setup.  The DR-UPS can do 40amp on 24v, so 
your upper limit is almost 1kW.  Just drive it with a bigger 24v supply as 
needed.

What has held me back from that in the past is the DR-UPS is not available in 
48v, and the biggest power consumers I have are 48V.  I went to Traco to stay 
48V.  OTOH your rig is so much cheaper than Traco that adding an RSD-300B-48 
for another $100 is not a bad deal.


-- Original Message --
From: "David Coudron" 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 1/28/2018 10:39:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking for:

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only expensive 
component)
Heater:   $65
Fan:  $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we have 
several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.   We 
run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other things 
we can do with the box:

  1.  Monitor temp in the cabinet
  2.  Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
  3.  Monitor voltage of the batteries
  4.  Monitor voltage to the Netonix
  5.  Monitor Current to the Netonix
  6.  Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
  7.  Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
  8.  Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
  9.  Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
  10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhau

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Mathew Howard]

We're still putting Ubiquiti 2.4ghz APs on almost all our towers... I think
that's pretty much the only thing that I can't run off 48v now.

For a long time, there weren't any decent Mikrotik routers that would take
48v, so that was keeping us on 24v too, but that's not a problem anymore.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 3:45 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We used to need both 24VDC (for FSK and old MT) and 48VDC at most sites,
> but now we only deploy 48VDC at newer sites.  If we do need 24V for
> whatever reason, we typically use a Netonix switch that can output 24V via
> PoE.
>
> What are you using on new sites that requires 24V?
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 4:40 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the lack of a 48v version of the DR-UPS was one of the problems I
>> ran into too... my fix was to use a 24v to 48v DC converter. Pretty much
>> every site ends up needing both 48v and 24v anyway, so unless you do a
>> complete DC plant for each voltage, you're going to end up needing some
>> kind of a converter one way or the other anyhow, and that way you can do
>> two batteries instead of four. Only problem being I haven't found a nice
>> DIN rail 24v-48v converter (the meanwell one does the job fine, it's just
>> not a proper DIN mount device).
>>
>> So the way I'm leaning for new sites is to do a nice big Meanwell DIN
>> mount 24v power supply, with a DR-UPS and and a 24v to 48v DC converter,
>> connected to two PacketFlux PDUs (one for 48v and one for 24v). That gives
>> me five remotely controllable power outputs for each voltage that I can use
>> to power whatever routers, switches, PoE injectors, or whatever I need. And
>> there are contacts on those power supplies that can be connected to the
>> Packetflux Base for monitoring purposes.
>>
>> Might be able to do things a bit more cleanly with a Rackinjector too...
>> I haven't had time to play with that much yet though.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah - the lack of a 48VDC UPS from Meanwell is annoying.  For small-ish
>>> sites, we have been running a Meanwell/Traco hybrid using the SDR-240-48
>>> and a Traco TSP-BCM48A or BCMU360.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's a lot to like about that setup.  The DR-UPS can do 40amp on
>>>> 24v, so your upper limit is almost 1kW.  Just drive it with a bigger 24v
>>>> supply as needed.
>>>>
>>>> What has held me back from that in the past is the DR-UPS is not
>>>> available in 48v, and the biggest power consumers I have are 48V.  I went
>>>> to Traco to stay 48V.  OTOH your rig is so much cheaper than Traco that
>>>> adding an RSD-300B-48 for another $100 is not a bad deal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>> From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Sent: 1/28/2018 10:39:56 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>>>
>>>> Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is
>>>> asking for:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>>>>
>>>> Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>>>>
>>>> Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>>>>
>>>> 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
>>>>
>>>> Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
>>>> expensive component)
>>>>
>>>> Heater:   $65
>>>>
>>>> Fan:  $14
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we
>>>> have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming
>>>> back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are
>>>> the other things we can do with the box:
>>>>
>>>>1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>>>>2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>>>>3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>>>>4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>>>>5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>>>>6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>>>>7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Mathew Howard]

The only thing I see in that list that might be a problem with a DC setup
is the HP 1810g... does that have an internal power supply, or some kind of
a brick/wallwart? If I remember correcly, the RB11000AHx2 will run off 24v
PoE, so that's easy to deal with and everything else looks like it's
already 24v or 48v PoE.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt
>
> SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that
>
> This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt sectors
> too)
> 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
> 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
> Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
> 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
> RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
> HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)
>
> APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card
>
>
>
>
> This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites
>
> 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
> 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
> 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
> 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
> 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
> 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
> 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
> 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
> 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
> 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
> 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power
>
> APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card
>
>
> the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget
>
>
> Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power
> supplies too.
>
> I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.
>
> Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but may
> soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add substantial
> demand
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking
>> for:
>>
>>
>>
>> Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>>
>> Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>>
>> Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>>
>> 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
>>
>> Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
>> expensive component)
>>
>> Heater:   $65
>>
>> Fan:  $14
>>
>>
>>
>> With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we
>> have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming
>> back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are
>> the other things we can do with the box:
>>
>>1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>>2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>>3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>>4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>>5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>>6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>>7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>>8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>>9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
>>10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
>>
>>
>>
>> We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for
>> small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
>> now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it
>> gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2
>> settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.
>> For this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the
>> wiring, the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly
>> cabinet that makes things a little tight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do
>> it now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't
>> exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and run a
>> redundant powered 24V bus which all the netonix switche

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

We used to need both 24VDC (for FSK and old MT) and 48VDC at most sites,
but now we only deploy 48VDC at newer sites.  If we do need 24V for
whatever reason, we typically use a Netonix switch that can output 24V via
PoE.

What are you using on new sites that requires 24V?

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 4:40 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, the lack of a 48v version of the DR-UPS was one of the problems I
> ran into too... my fix was to use a 24v to 48v DC converter. Pretty much
> every site ends up needing both 48v and 24v anyway, so unless you do a
> complete DC plant for each voltage, you're going to end up needing some
> kind of a converter one way or the other anyhow, and that way you can do
> two batteries instead of four. Only problem being I haven't found a nice
> DIN rail 24v-48v converter (the meanwell one does the job fine, it's just
> not a proper DIN mount device).
>
> So the way I'm leaning for new sites is to do a nice big Meanwell DIN
> mount 24v power supply, with a DR-UPS and and a 24v to 48v DC converter,
> connected to two PacketFlux PDUs (one for 48v and one for 24v). That gives
> me five remotely controllable power outputs for each voltage that I can use
> to power whatever routers, switches, PoE injectors, or whatever I need. And
> there are contacts on those power supplies that can be connected to the
> Packetflux Base for monitoring purposes.
>
> Might be able to do things a bit more cleanly with a Rackinjector too... I
> haven't had time to play with that much yet though.
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah - the lack of a 48VDC UPS from Meanwell is annoying.  For small-ish
>> sites, we have been running a Meanwell/Traco hybrid using the SDR-240-48
>> and a Traco TSP-BCM48A or BCMU360.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There's a lot to like about that setup.  The DR-UPS can do 40amp on 24v,
>>> so your upper limit is almost 1kW.  Just drive it with a bigger 24v supply
>>> as needed.
>>>
>>> What has held me back from that in the past is the DR-UPS is not
>>> available in 48v, and the biggest power consumers I have are 48V.  I went
>>> to Traco to stay 48V.  OTOH your rig is so much cheaper than Traco that
>>> adding an RSD-300B-48 for another $100 is not a bad deal.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 1/28/2018 10:39:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>>
>>> Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking
>>> for:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>>>
>>> Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>>>
>>> Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>>>
>>> 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
>>>
>>> Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
>>> expensive component)
>>>
>>> Heater:   $65
>>>
>>> Fan:  $14
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we
>>> have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming
>>> back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are
>>> the other things we can do with the box:
>>>
>>>1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>>>2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>>>3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>>>4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>>>5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>>>6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>>>7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>>>8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>>>9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
>>>10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for
>>> small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
>>> now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it
>>> gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best part is, no coding necessary.  D

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, the lack of a 48v version of the DR-UPS was one of the problems I ran
into too... my fix was to use a 24v to 48v DC converter. Pretty much every
site ends up needing both 48v and 24v anyway, so unless you do a complete
DC plant for each voltage, you're going to end up needing some kind of a
converter one way or the other anyhow, and that way you can do two
batteries instead of four. Only problem being I haven't found a nice DIN
rail 24v-48v converter (the meanwell one does the job fine, it's just not a
proper DIN mount device).

So the way I'm leaning for new sites is to do a nice big Meanwell DIN mount
24v power supply, with a DR-UPS and and a 24v to 48v DC converter,
connected to two PacketFlux PDUs (one for 48v and one for 24v). That gives
me five remotely controllable power outputs for each voltage that I can use
to power whatever routers, switches, PoE injectors, or whatever I need. And
there are contacts on those power supplies that can be connected to the
Packetflux Base for monitoring purposes.

Might be able to do things a bit more cleanly with a Rackinjector too... I
haven't had time to play with that much yet though.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah - the lack of a 48VDC UPS from Meanwell is annoying.  For small-ish
> sites, we have been running a Meanwell/Traco hybrid using the SDR-240-48
> and a Traco TSP-BCM48A or BCMU360.
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There's a lot to like about that setup.  The DR-UPS can do 40amp on 24v,
>> so your upper limit is almost 1kW.  Just drive it with a bigger 24v supply
>> as needed.
>>
>> What has held me back from that in the past is the DR-UPS is not
>> available in 48v, and the biggest power consumers I have are 48V.  I went
>> to Traco to stay 48V.  OTOH your rig is so much cheaper than Traco that
>> adding an RSD-300B-48 for another $100 is not a bad deal.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 1/28/2018 10:39:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>> Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking
>> for:
>>
>>
>>
>> Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>>
>> Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>>
>> Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>>
>> 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
>>
>> Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
>> expensive component)
>>
>> Heater:   $65
>>
>> Fan:  $14
>>
>>
>>
>> With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we
>> have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming
>> back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are
>> the other things we can do with the box:
>>
>>1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>>2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>>3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>>4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>>5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>>6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>>7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>>8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>>9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
>>10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
>>
>>
>>
>> We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for
>> small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
>> now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it
>> gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2
>> settings and/or SNMP.    Let me know if you are interested in pictures.
>> For this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the
>> wiring, the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly
>> cabinet that makes things a little tight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[George Skorup]

Oh wait, but... the 802.3at compliant 1009's *might* be OK with -48 on 
the POE input only. Like Forrest said recently, nearly all 3at devices 
use an isolated power circuit. But it's MikroTik, so who the hell knows. 
Like when they say 10-28vdc, sometimes it means 12-25.


On 1/29/2018 1:58 PM, George Skorup wrote:

No, pretty sure the 1009's are chassis bonded, so you're stuck with +48.

On 1/29/2018 1:56 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Yeah - but I want to power it directly off a -48VDC rail (like we do 
with +48VDC).


On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:56 PM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> 
wrote:


Yep, it says it will do 15-57V POE in.  At least the model we use
does.

David Coudron

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 1:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Hmm - do you know if the CCR1009 supports -/+48VDC?

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:47 PM, George Skorup
<george.sko...@cbcast.com <mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

RackInjector, dude. RackInjector.

And you can swap that 1100AHx2 for an 1100AHx4. The DC input
on the back supports - or + 48.

On 1/29/2018 11:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that

This is what most of our sites have (theres some
depreciating ubnt sectors too)

4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48

4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24

Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort

1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic:
SAF or Mimosa)

RB1100AHX2 (AC power)

HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card

This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites

4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v

4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v

4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v

2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS

2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)

3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS

1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS

1x PTP 650/Cambium PS

1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS

1x RB1100AHX2/AC power

1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card

the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have
the battery budget

Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and
branded power supplies too.

I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power
supplies.

Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent
justified 450m but may soon and we will roll some LTE in
the near term which will add substantial demand

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron
<david.coud...@advantenon.com
<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to
what Steve is asking for:

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84

Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37

Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131

24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the
runtime looking for

Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350 (This is
really the only expensive component)

Heater: $65

Fan: $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small
batteries, we figure we have several hours to get a
generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.  
We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really
well.   Here are the other things we can do with the box:

 1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
 2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
 3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
 4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
 5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
 6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
 7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
 8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
 9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.  
Usually a Hex POE (for small sites) or a 3011 for
larger sites.

   

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[George Skorup]

No, pretty sure the 1009's are chassis bonded, so you're stuck with +48.

On 1/29/2018 1:56 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Yeah - but I want to power it directly off a -48VDC rail (like we do 
with +48VDC).


On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:56 PM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> 
wrote:


Yep, it says it will do 15-57V POE in.  At least the model we use
does.

David Coudron

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 1:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Hmm - do you know if the CCR1009 supports -/+48VDC?

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:47 PM, George Skorup
<george.sko...@cbcast.com <mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

RackInjector, dude. RackInjector.

And you can swap that 1100AHx2 for an 1100AHx4. The DC input
on the back supports - or + 48.

On 1/29/2018 11:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that

This is what most of our sites have (theres some
depreciating ubnt sectors too)

4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48

4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24

Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort

1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF
or Mimosa)

RB1100AHX2 (AC power)

HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card

This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites

4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v

4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v

4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v

2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS

2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)

3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS

1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS

1x PTP 650/Cambium PS

1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS

1x RB1100AHX2/AC power

1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card

the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have
the battery budget

Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and
branded power supplies too.

I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power
supplies.

Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent
justified 450m but may soon and we will roll some LTE in
the near term which will add substantial demand

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron
<david.coud...@advantenon.com
<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to
what Steve is asking for:

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84

Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37

Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131

24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the
runtime looking for

Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch: $250-350  (This is
really the only expensive component)

Heater: $65

Fan: $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small
batteries, we figure we have several hours to get a
generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.   We
run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.  
Here are the other things we can do with the box:

 1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
 2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
 3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
 4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
 5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
 6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
 7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
 8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
 9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.  
Usually a Hex POE (for small sites) or a 3011 for
larger sites.

We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going
15 more right now.   While it might be a little more
than what you were thinking, it gives us a ton of
control for pretty minimal investment per site.

Best part is, no coding necessary. 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[David Coudron]

Sorry, not sure about that.  We run them right from the Netonix.

David Coudron


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Yeah - but I want to power it directly off a -48VDC rail (like we do with 
+48VDC).

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:56 PM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
Yep, it says it will do 15-57V POE in.  At least the model we use does.

David Coudron


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Hmm - do you know if the CCR1009 supports -/+48VDC?

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:47 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
RackInjector, dude. RackInjector.

And you can swap that 1100AHx2 for an 1100AHx4. The DC input on the back 
supports - or + 48.

On 1/29/2018 11:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that

This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt sectors too)
4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card




This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites

4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card


the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget


Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power supplies too.

I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.

Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but may soon 
and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add substantial demand


On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking for:

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only expensive 
component)
Heater:   $65
Fan:  $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we have 
several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.   We 
run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other things 
we can do with the box:

  1.  Monitor temp in the cabinet
  2.  Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
  3.  Monitor voltage of the batteries
  4.  Monitor voltage to the Netonix
  5.  Monitor Current to the Netonix
  6.  Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
  7.  Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
  8.  Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
  9.  Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
  10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for small 
sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.

We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right now.   
While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it gives us a ton 
of control for pretty minimal investment per site.

Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2 
settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.   For 
this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the wiring, 
the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly cabinet that 
makes things a little tight.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do it now 
I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't exist so we 
just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and run a redundant powered 24V 
bus which all the netonix switches run on.

I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all up. These 
are mostly

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

Yeah - but I want to power it directly off a -48VDC rail (like we do with
+48VDC).

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:56 PM, David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com
> wrote:

> Yep, it says it will do 15-57V POE in.  At least the model we use does.
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 1:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> Hmm - do you know if the CCR1009 supports -/+48VDC?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:47 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
> RackInjector, dude. RackInjector.
>
> And you can swap that 1100AHx2 for an 1100AHx4. The DC input on the back
> supports - or + 48.
>
>
>
> On 1/29/2018 11:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt
>
>
>
> SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that
>
>
>
> This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt sectors
> too)
>
> 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
>
> 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
>
> Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
>
> 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
>
> RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
>
> HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)
>
>
>
> APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites
>
>
>
> 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
>
> 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
>
> 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
>
> 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
>
> 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
>
> 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
>
> 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
>
> 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
>
> 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
>
> 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
>
> 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power
>
>
>
> APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card
>
>
>
>
>
> the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget
>
>
>
>
>
> Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power
> supplies too.
>
>
>
> I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.
>
>
>
> Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but may
> soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add substantial
> demand
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
> Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking
> for:
>
>
>
> Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>
> Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>
> Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>
> 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
>
> Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
> expensive component)
>
> Heater:   $65
>
> Fan:  $14
>
>
>
> With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we have
> several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.
> We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other
> things we can do with the box:
>
>1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
>10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
>
>
>
> We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for
> small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
>
>
>
> We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
> now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it
> gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.
>
>
>
> Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2
> settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.
> For this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the
> wiring, the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly
> cabinet that makes things a little tight.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Saturday, Janu

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[David Coudron]

Yep, it says it will do 15-57V POE in.  At least the model we use does.

David Coudron


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Hmm - do you know if the CCR1009 supports -/+48VDC?

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:47 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
RackInjector, dude. RackInjector.

And you can swap that 1100AHx2 for an 1100AHx4. The DC input on the back 
supports - or + 48.

On 1/29/2018 11:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that

This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt sectors too)
4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card




This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites

4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card


the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget


Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power supplies too.

I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.

Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but may soon 
and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add substantial demand


On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking for:

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only expensive 
component)
Heater:   $65
Fan:  $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we have 
several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.   We 
run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other things 
we can do with the box:

  1.  Monitor temp in the cabinet
  2.  Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
  3.  Monitor voltage of the batteries
  4.  Monitor voltage to the Netonix
  5.  Monitor Current to the Netonix
  6.  Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
  7.  Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
  8.  Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
  9.  Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
  10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for small 
sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.

We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right now.   
While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it gives us a ton 
of control for pretty minimal investment per site.

Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2 
settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.   For 
this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the wiring, 
the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly cabinet that 
makes things a little tight.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do it now 
I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't exist so we 
just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and run a redundant powered 24V 
bus which all the netonix switches run on.

I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all up. These 
are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.

On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port version is $600.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Baird <joshba...@gmail.c

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

Hmm - do you know if the CCR1009 supports -/+48VDC?

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:47 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
wrote:

> RackInjector, dude. RackInjector.
>
> And you can swap that 1100AHx2 for an 1100AHx4. The DC input on the back
> supports - or + 48.
>
>
> On 1/29/2018 11:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt
>
> SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that
>
> This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt sectors
> too)
> 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
> 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
> Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
> 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
> RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
> HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)
>
> APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card
>
>
>
>
> This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites
>
> 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
> 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
> 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
> 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
> 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
> 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
> 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
> 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
> 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
> 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
> 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power
>
> APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card
>
>
> the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget
>
>
> Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power
> supplies too.
>
> I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.
>
> Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but may
> soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add substantial
> demand
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking
>> for:
>>
>>
>>
>> Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>>
>> Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>>
>> Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>>
>> 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
>>
>> Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
>> expensive component)
>>
>> Heater:   $65
>>
>> Fan:  $14
>>
>>
>>
>> With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we
>> have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming
>> back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are
>> the other things we can do with the box:
>>
>>1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>>2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>>3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>>4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>>5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>>6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>>7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>>8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>>9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
>>10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
>>
>>
>>
>> We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for
>> small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
>> now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it
>> gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2
>> settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.
>> For this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the
>> wiring, the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly
>> cabinet that makes things a little tight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do
>> it now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't
>> exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and run a
>> redundant powered 24V bus which all the netonix switches run on.
>>
>>
>>
>> I better buy up

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[George Skorup]

RackInjector, dude. RackInjector.

And you can swap that 1100AHx2 for an 1100AHx4. The DC input on the back 
supports - or + 48.


On 1/29/2018 11:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that

This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt 
sectors too)

4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card




This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites

4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card


the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget


Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power 
supplies too.


I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.

Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but 
may soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add 
substantial demand



On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> 
wrote:


Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is
asking for:

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84

Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37

Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131

24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for

Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch: $250-350  (This is really the only
expensive component)

Heater:   $65

Fan:  $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure
we have several hours to get a generator to the site if power
isn’t coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works
really well.   Here are the other things we can do with the box:

 1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
 2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
 3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
 4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
 5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
 6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
 7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
 8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
 9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE
(for small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.

We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more
right now.   While it might be a little more than what you were
thinking, it gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal
investment per site.

Best part is, no coding necessary. Doing all this with the Monitor
Web2 settings and/or SNMP.    Let me know if you are interested in
pictures.   For this second batch we have started using Terminal
blocks to clean up the wiring, the cabinets look a little better,
but we went to a smaller poly cabinet that makes things a little
tight.

Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had
to do it now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design,
the idc didn't exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A  and
B sides and run a redundant powered 24V bus which all the netonix
switches run on.

I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them
all up. These are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.


On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port
version is $600.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini
<g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…

*From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh Baird
<joshba...@gmail.com <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>"
<af

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Steve Jones]

just saw this, informative
https://www.meanwellaustralia.com.au/news/top-8-faqs-about-din-rail-power-supplies

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> What does SDR vs DRP mean for the meanwells?
>
>
> On 01/29/2018 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt
>>
>> SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that
>>
>> This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt
>> sectors too)
>> 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
>> 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
>> Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
>> 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
>> RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
>> HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)
>>
>> APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites
>>
>> 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
>> 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
>> 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
>> 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
>> 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
>> 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
>> 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
>> 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
>> 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
>> 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
>> 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power
>>
>> APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card
>>
>>
>> the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget
>>
>>
>> Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power
>> supplies too.
>>
>> I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.
>>
>> Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but may
>> soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add substantial
>> demand
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron <
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is
>> asking for:
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>>
>> Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>>
>> Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>>
>> 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking
>> for
>>
>> Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
>> expensive component)
>>
>> Heater:   $65
>>
>> Fan:  $14
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure
>> we have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t
>> coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really
>> well.   Here are the other things we can do with the box:
>>
>>  1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>>  2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>>  3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>>  4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>>  5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>>  6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>>  7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>>  8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>>  9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
>> 10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE
>> (for small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
>> now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking,
>> it gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.
>> 
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor
>> Web2 settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in
>> pictures.   For this second batch we have started using Terminal
>> blocks to clean up the wiring, the cabinets look a little better,
>> but we went to a smaller poly cabinet that makes things a little
>> tight.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to
>> do it now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the
>> idc didn't exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A  and B
>> sides and run a redundant powered 24V bus which all the netonix
>> switches run on.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them
>> all up. These are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Adam Moffett]

I'm thinking your heavy site example is using something like 500-600 
Watts.


Eltek is nice.  I bet you'll spend a couple grand on that.

I'm waiting for a quote on that Alpha Cordex thing somebody posted the 
other day.  That's a helluva compact, one piece setup.  I like the idea 
that it's one box plus a management card and I'm ready to rock. I'd have 
to add a smallish 48-24 converter for a few items, but that's about it.


On your heavy site, if you used David's Meanwell parts list you'd have 
to swap in a bigger 24v power supply, and find a big 24-48 converter.  
They make meanwell SD up to like 800 Watts or so.  I prefer the RSD, but 
those only go to 300W.





-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/29/2018 12:56:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion


That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that

This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt 
sectors too)

4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card




This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites

4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card


the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery 
budget



Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power 
supplies too.


I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.

Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but 
may soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add 
substantial demand



On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is 
asking for:




Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84

Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37

Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131

24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for

Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only 
expensive component)


Heater:   $65

Fan:  $14



With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we 
have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t 
coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.  
 Here are the other things we can do with the box:


Monitor temp in the cabinetMonitor/alert on loss of AC line power 
through TP DINMonitor voltage of the batteriesMonitor voltage to the 
NetonixMonitor Current to the NetonixMonitor Current in/out of the 
batteriesAuto start the heater below 40 degreesAuto start the fan 
above 80 degreesPower cycle the netonix from the TP DINPower cycle any 
AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix



We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE 
(for small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.




We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right 
now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it 
gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.




Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor 
Web2 settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in 
pictures.   For this second batch we have started using Terminal 
blocks to clean up the wiring, the cabinets look a little better, but 
we went to a smaller poly cabinet that makes things a little tight.




Regards,



David Coudron



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion



You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to 
do it now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc 
didn't exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and 
run a redundant powered 24V bus which all the netonix switches run on.




I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all 
up. These are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.



On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port version is 
$600.




On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:



Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on be

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

SDR is a power supply.

DRP is a UPS/battery charger.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> What does SDR vs DRP mean for the meanwells?
>
>
> On 01/29/2018 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt
>>
>> SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that
>>
>> This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt
>> sectors too)
>> 4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
>> 4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
>> Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
>> 1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
>> RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
>> HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)
>>
>> APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites
>>
>> 4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
>> 4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
>> 4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
>> 2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
>> 2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
>> 3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
>> 1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
>> 1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
>> 1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
>> 1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
>> 1x HP 1810g 24/AC power
>>
>> APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card
>>
>>
>> the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget
>>
>>
>> Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power
>> supplies too.
>>
>> I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.
>>
>> Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but may
>> soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add substantial
>> demand
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron <
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is
>> asking for:
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>>
>> Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>>
>> Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>>
>> 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking
>> for
>>
>> Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
>> expensive component)
>>
>> Heater:   $65
>>
>> Fan:  $14
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure
>> we have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t
>> coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really
>> well.   Here are the other things we can do with the box:
>>
>>  1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>>  2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>>  3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>>  4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>>  5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>>  6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>>  7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>>  8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>>  9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
>> 10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE
>> (for small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
>> now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking,
>> it gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.
>> 
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor
>> Web2 settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in
>> pictures.   For this second batch we have started using Terminal
>> blocks to clean up the wiring, the cabinets look a little better,
>> but we went to a smaller poly cabinet that makes things a little
>> tight.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to
>> do it now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the
>> idc didn't exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A  and B
>> sides and run a redundant powered 24V bus which all the netonix
>> switches run on.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them
>> all up. These are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird > 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Robert Andrews]

What does SDR vs DRP mean for the meanwells?

On 01/29/2018 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that

This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt 
sectors too)

4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card




This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites

4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card


the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget


Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power 
supplies too.


I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.

Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but may 
soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add 
substantial demand



On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron 
> wrote:


Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is
asking for:

__ __

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84

Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37

Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131

24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for

Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
expensive component)

Heater:   $65

Fan:  $14

__ __

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure
we have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t
coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really
well.   Here are the other things we can do with the box:

 1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
 2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
 3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
 4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
 5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
 6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
 7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
 8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
 9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

__ __

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE
(for small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.

__ __

We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking,
it gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.


__ __

Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor
Web2 settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in
pictures.   For this second batch we have started using Terminal
blocks to clean up the wiring, the cabinets look a little better,
but we went to a smaller poly cabinet that makes things a little
tight.

__ __

Regards,

__ __

David Coudron

__ __

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

__ __

You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to
do it now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the
idc didn't exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A  and B
sides and run a redundant powered 24V bus which all the netonix
switches run on.

__ __

I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them
all up. These are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.


On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird > wrote:

A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port version
is $600.

__ __

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini
> wrote:

Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…

__ __

*From: *Af > on behalf of Josh Baird

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Dave]

+ 1 for Lewis also.
Duracomm is a bit pricey but very reliable and they also use some mean 
well.
The issue I have is clean wire runs in the cabinet and fuse buss 
distribution because mikrotik
dosent have a good industrial case for rear or front facing lugs for 
connecting to fuse buss.


the one design I did like about cambiums cmm5 was the port facing lugs 
for quick connect



On 01/27/2018 09:57 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Oh yeah, track makes them too I think but I never used those.


On Sat, Jan 27, 2018, 9:55 AM Lewis Bergman > wrote:


Phoenix and Meanwell both make good AC to DC power supplies that
have battery managers available with low voltage disconnects. They
also have temp monitors to prevent over charging and dry contracts
for alarm states. You pick the battery size and the and size of
the power supply based on your load and how fast you want your
batteries to recover.

Once we went to this setup or power problems practically
disappeared. Sure monitors tell you when per drops and if you know
the battery size you can calculate how long you have if Power
drops before you have to get a helmet or there if it doesn't come
back.

Once we got all sites on this setup Mikrotik routers became out
biggest downtime issue. And they are decently reliable.


On Sat, Jan 27, 2018, 9:44 AM Mathew Howard > wrote:

Give me a list of all the stuff you need to power, and I can
tell you how I'd do it... whether or not that's the best, or
even a good way to do it, is another matter. It is going to
involve a pile of Packetflux stuff though (of course most of
that might already be there anyway... )

That Alpha Cordex thing does look pretty nice, and would
certainly simplify things.

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Steve Jones
>
wrote:

Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know
small wisp budget interested in looking at our gear and
power setup and giving realistic advice that doesnt have a
10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full
time linux guy and a full time coder?

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart,
but i do have some advisory busget.

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto
runtimes on batteries coupled with having to accept we are
destroying runtimes by letting the apcs die. please,
somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.




--

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

FWIW - we *rarely* (knocks on wood) have sync problems using only the GPS
pucks with ePMP 1K/2K.

I'd like to convert to a -48VDC rectifier based solution for large sites,
but I don't want to have to throw in bunch of isolated DC/DC converters to
power things like CCR1009's.  I guess I could power the CCR via PoE from a
Netonix or something, but I would like to avoid this.  Then again.. if all
of the backhauls at a given site are powered by the Netonix, I guess it
doesn't really matter since if the switch dies, I won't have connectivity
to the router anyways..

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 11:01 AM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
wrote:

> That current though. I'm looking at doing a rack mount cabinet and telco
> rectifier at medium and large sites going forward. It just makes sense.
> What really sucks is when a small site turns into a medium site and then
> there's not enough cabinet space. So I'm gathering some ideas and costs to
> just do the same thing at every site. Everything except the really small
> sites where we might have something like an ePMP omni and a handful of
> customers. Which is yet another problem. Might as well use an ePMP 2k lite,
> which is 48vdc. And then backhaul it on a Force200 or 450SM, which is
> obviously 24vdc. Ugh. Most of the time we just say screw it and throw in a
> small APC UPS, a switch and POE bricks. Perhaps that's somewhere something
> like a small Netonix switch with internal DC-DC converters would be useful.
> Until the on-board GPS goes to shit and you have no sync. It's never ending
> round and round WTF do I do for these.
>
> On 1/29/2018 9:29 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> There's a lot to like about that setup.  The DR-UPS can do 40amp on 24v,
> so your upper limit is almost 1kW.  Just drive it with a bigger 24v supply
> as needed.
>
> What has held me back from that in the past is the DR-UPS is not available
> in 48v, and the biggest power consumers I have are 48V.  I went to Traco to
> stay 48V.  OTOH your rig is so much cheaper than Traco that adding an
> RSD-300B-48 for another $100 is not a bad deal.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 1/28/2018 10:39:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
> Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking
> for:
>
>
>
> Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>
> Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>
> Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>
> 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
>
> Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
> expensive component)
>
> Heater:   $65
>
> Fan:  $14
>
>
>
> With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we have
> several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.
> We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other
> things we can do with the box:
>
>1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
>10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
>
>
>
> We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for
> small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
>
>
>
> We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
> now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it
> gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.
>
>
>
> Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2
> settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.
> For this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the
> wiring, the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly
> cabinet that makes things a little tight.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do it
> now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't
> exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and run a
> redu

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[George Skorup]

That current though. I'm looking at doing a rack mount cabinet and telco 
rectifier at medium and large sites going forward. It just makes sense. 
What really sucks is when a small site turns into a medium site and then 
there's not enough cabinet space. So I'm gathering some ideas and costs 
to just do the same thing at every site. Everything except the really 
small sites where we might have something like an ePMP omni and a 
handful of customers. Which is yet another problem. Might as well use an 
ePMP 2k lite, which is 48vdc. And then backhaul it on a Force200 or 
450SM, which is obviously 24vdc. Ugh. Most of the time we just say screw 
it and throw in a small APC UPS, a switch and POE bricks. Perhaps that's 
somewhere something like a small Netonix switch with internal DC-DC 
converters would be useful. Until the on-board GPS goes to shit and you 
have no sync. It's never ending round and round WTF do I do for these.


On 1/29/2018 9:29 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
There's a lot to like about that setup.  The DR-UPS can do 40amp on 
24v, so your upper limit is almost 1kW.  Just drive it with a bigger 
24v supply as needed.


What has held me back from that in the past is the DR-UPS is not 
available in 48v, and the biggest power consumers I have are 48V.  I 
went to Traco to stay 48V.  OTOH your rig is so much cheaper than 
Traco that adding an RSD-300B-48 for another $100 is not a bad deal.



-- Original Message --
From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com 
<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>

To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 1/28/2018 10:39:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is 
asking for:


Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84

Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS: $37

Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131

24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for

Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch: $250-350  (This is really the only 
expensive component)


Heater:   $65

Fan:  $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we 
have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t 
coming back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really 
well.   Here are the other things we can do with the box:


 1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
 2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
 3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
 4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
 5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
 6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
 7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
 8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
 9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE 
(for small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.


We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right 
now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, 
it gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.


Best part is, no coding necessary. Doing all this with the Monitor 
Web2 settings and/or SNMP.    Let me know if you are interested in 
pictures. For this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks 
to clean up the wiring, the cabinets look a little better, but we 
went to a smaller poly cabinet that makes things a little tight.


Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson

*Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to 
do it now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the 
idc didn't exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A  and B 
sides and run a redundant powered 24V bus which all the netonix 
switches run on.


I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all 
up. These are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.



On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com 
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:


A 12 port version would be nice. Looks like the 26 port version
is $600.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini
<g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…

*From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh Baird
<joshba...@gmail.com <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>"
<af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Date: *Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
    *To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.c

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[David Coudron]

Agreed, however the Netonix has really helped with that issue.   It takes 24V 
in and runs both the 24V and 48V equipment.   The Mikrotik 3011 routers and 
some Ubiquitis that we run from the cabinet for relays to host houses, etc.  
still require that 24V source.  If you are going to do a Netonix anyway, we 
haven’t found a reason to move away from 24V.   It does require fewer 12V 
batteries then, which saves some space as well, makes things a little less 
complicated there.

All that being said, I could see a day in the not too distant future when the 
DC plant is all 48V.

In our larger sites, this cabinet is running 3 backhaul radios, two access 
points and one or more relay radios for on property access by hosts.   Those 
Netonix are really valuable to do POE insertion for all that stuff.

Regards,

David Coudron


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Yeah - the lack of a 48VDC UPS from Meanwell is annoying.  For small-ish sites, 
we have been running a Meanwell/Traco hybrid using the SDR-240-48 and a Traco 
TSP-BCM48A or BCMU360.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's a lot to like about that setup.  The DR-UPS can do 40amp on 24v, so 
your upper limit is almost 1kW.  Just drive it with a bigger 24v supply as 
needed.

What has held me back from that in the past is the DR-UPS is not available in 
48v, and the biggest power consumers I have are 48V.  I went to Traco to stay 
48V.  OTOH your rig is so much cheaper than Traco that adding an RSD-300B-48 
for another $100 is not a bad deal.


-- Original Message --
From: "David Coudron" 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 1/28/2018 10:39:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking for:

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only expensive 
component)
Heater:   $65
Fan:  $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we have 
several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.   We 
run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other things 
we can do with the box:

  1.  Monitor temp in the cabinet
  2.  Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
  3.  Monitor voltage of the batteries
  4.  Monitor voltage to the Netonix
  5.  Monitor Current to the Netonix
  6.  Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
  7.  Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
  8.  Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
  9.  Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
  10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for small 
sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.

We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right now.   
While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it gives us a ton 
of control for pretty minimal investment per site.

Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2 
settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.   For 
this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the wiring, 
the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly cabinet that 
makes things a little tight.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do it now 
I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't exist so we 
just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and run a redundant powered 24V 
bus which all the netonix switches run on.

I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all up. These 
are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.

On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port version is $600.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Baird <joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com&g

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

Yeah - the lack of a 48VDC UPS from Meanwell is annoying.  For small-ish
sites, we have been running a Meanwell/Traco hybrid using the SDR-240-48
and a Traco TSP-BCM48A or BCMU360.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There's a lot to like about that setup.  The DR-UPS can do 40amp on 24v,
> so your upper limit is almost 1kW.  Just drive it with a bigger 24v supply
> as needed.
>
> What has held me back from that in the past is the DR-UPS is not available
> in 48v, and the biggest power consumers I have are 48V.  I went to Traco to
> stay 48V.  OTOH your rig is so much cheaper than Traco that adding an
> RSD-300B-48 for another $100 is not a bad deal.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 1/28/2018 10:39:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
> Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking
> for:
>
>
>
> Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
>
> Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
>
> Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
>
> 24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
>
> Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only
> expensive component)
>
> Heater:   $65
>
> Fan:  $14
>
>
>
> With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we have
> several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.
> We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other
> things we can do with the box:
>
>1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
>2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
>3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
>4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
>5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
>6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
>7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
>8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
>9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
>10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
>
>
>
> We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for
> small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
>
>
>
> We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
> now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it
> gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.
>
>
>
> Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2
> settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.
> For this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the
> wiring, the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly
> cabinet that makes things a little tight.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do it
> now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't
> exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and run a
> redundant powered 24V bus which all the netonix switches run on.
>
>
>
> I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all up.
> These are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port version is $600.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
> wrote:
>
> Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…
>
>
>
> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Baird <
> joshba...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> Which Netonix are you running at - 48V?  Or are you using an isolated
> DC/DC converter in between the -48V rectifier and Netonix?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
> wrote:
>
> Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix
> IDC Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear
>
>
>
> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *R

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Adam Moffett]

There's a lot to like about that setup.  The DR-UPS can do 40amp on 24v, 
so your upper limit is almost 1kW.  Just drive it with a bigger 24v 
supply as needed.


What has held me back from that in the past is the DR-UPS is not 
available in 48v, and the biggest power consumers I have are 48V.  I 
went to Traco to stay 48V.  OTOH your rig is so much cheaper than Traco 
that adding an RSD-300B-48 for another $100 is not a bad deal.



-- Original Message --
From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 1/28/2018 10:39:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is 
asking for:




Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84

Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37

Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131

24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for

Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only 
expensive component)


Heater:   $65

Fan:  $14



With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we 
have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming 
back.   We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here 
are the other things we can do with the box:


Monitor temp in the cabinetMonitor/alert on loss of AC line power 
through TP DINMonitor voltage of the batteriesMonitor voltage to the 
NetonixMonitor Current to the NetonixMonitor Current in/out of the 
batteriesAuto start the heater below 40 degreesAuto start the fan above 
80 degreesPower cycle the netonix from the TP DINPower cycle any AP, 
Router, Backhaul from the Netonix



We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for 
small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.




We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right 
now.   While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it 
gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.




Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor 
Web2 settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in 
pictures.   For this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks 
to clean up the wiring, the cabinets look a little better, but we went 
to a smaller poly cabinet that makes things a little tight.




Regards,



David Coudron



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion



You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do 
it now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc 
didn't exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and 
run a redundant powered 24V bus which all the netonix switches run on.




I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all 
up. These are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.



On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port version is 
$600.




On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:



Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com>

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion



Which Netonix are you running at - 48V?  Or are you using an isolated 
DC/DC converter in between the -48V rectifier and Netonix?




On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:


Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 
Netonix IDC Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear




From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion



Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small 
wisp budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and 
giving realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar 
components combined with a full time linux guy and a full time 
coder?




Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do 
have some advisory busget.




Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on 
batteries coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes 
by letting the apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i 
have to go to the facebook groups, and thats like going to a 
mikrotik or ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[David Coudron]

Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking for:

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only expensive 
component)
Heater:   $65
Fan:  $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we have 
several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.   We 
run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other things 
we can do with the box:

  1.  Monitor temp in the cabinet
  2.  Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
  3.  Monitor voltage of the batteries
  4.  Monitor voltage to the Netonix
  5.  Monitor Current to the Netonix
  6.  Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
  7.  Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
  8.  Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
  9.  Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
  10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for small 
sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.

We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right now.   
While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it gives us a ton 
of control for pretty minimal investment per site.

Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2 
settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.   For 
this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the wiring, 
the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly cabinet that 
makes things a little tight.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do it now 
I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't exist so we 
just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and run a redundant powered 24V 
bus which all the netonix switches run on.

I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all up. These 
are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.

On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port version is $600.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Baird <joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Which Netonix are you running at - 48V?  Or are you using an isolated DC/DC 
converter in between the -48V rectifier and Netonix?

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix IDC 
Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder?

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Carl Peterson]

You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do it now 
I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't exist so we 
just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and run a redundant powered 24V 
bus which all the netonix switches run on.

I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all up. These 
are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.

> On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port version is $600.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> 
> wrote:
>> Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…
>> 
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>> 
>> Which Netonix are you running at - 48V?  Or are you using an isolated DC/DC 
>> converter in between the -48V rectifier and Netonix?
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> 
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix 
>>> IDC Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear 
>>> 
>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones 
>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>> 
>>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp 
>>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving 
>>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components 
>>> combined with a full time linux  guy and a full time coder?
>>> 
>>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
>>> advisory busget.
>>> 
>>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
>>> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the 
>>> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the 
>>> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port version is $600.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
wrote:

> Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Baird <
> joshba...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
> Which Netonix are you running at - 48V?  Or are you using an isolated
> DC/DC converter in between the -48V rectifier and Netonix?
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix
>> IDC Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear
>>
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>
>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>> some advisory busget.
>>
>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
>> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
>> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
>> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

Doh - yeah.. I see it now.

https://www.netonix.com/wisp-switch/ws-26-400-idc.html

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
wrote:

> Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Baird <
> joshba...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
> Which Netonix are you running at - 48V?  Or are you using an isolated
> DC/DC converter in between the -48V rectifier and Netonix?
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix
>> IDC Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear
>>
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>
>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>> some advisory busget.
>>
>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
>> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
>> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
>> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Gino A. Villarini]

Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Baird <joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Which Netonix are you running at - 48V?  Or are you using an isolated DC/DC 
converter in between the -48V rectifier and Netonix?

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix IDC 
Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder?

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Chuck McCown]

+1
I just bought some Eltek modules off of Ebay.  
Came with the BC-2000 telemetry which I highly recommend.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix IDC 
Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion


Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder? 

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

Which Netonix are you running at - 48V?  Or are you using an isolated DC/DC
converter in between the -48V rectifier and Netonix?

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
wrote:

> Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix
> IDC Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>
> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some
> advisory busget.
>
> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Gino A. Villarini]

Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix IDC 
Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder?

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah.  Way fewer problems since I went to DCI think it's about the 
statistical probabilities of having one really nice power supply vs 10 
cheap ones.  1/10th as many chances to fail.


It also takes up dramatically less space.

I have not seen that Alpha Cordex before, but it might be my new 
favorite thing in the world.




-- Original Message --
From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/27/2018 10:55:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Phoenix and Meanwell both make good AC to DC power supplies that have 
battery managers available with low voltage disconnects. They also have 
temp monitors to prevent over charging and dry contracts for alarm 
states. You pick the battery size and the and size of the power supply 
based on your load and how fast you want your batteries to recover.


Once we went to this setup or power problems practically disappeared. 
Sure monitors tell you when per drops and if you know the battery size 
you can calculate how long you have if Power drops before you have to 
get a helmet or there if it doesn't come back.


Once we got all sites on this setup Mikrotik routers became out biggest 
downtime issue. And they are decently reliable.



On Sat, Jan 27, 2018, 9:44 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Give me a list of all the stuff you need to power, and I can tell you 
how I'd do it... whether or not that's the best, or even a good way to 
do it, is another matter. It is going to involve a pile of Packetflux 
stuff though (of course most of that might already be there anyway... 
)


That Alpha Cordex thing does look pretty nice, and would certainly 
simplify things.


On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp 
budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving 
realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar 
components combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?


Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have 
some advisory busget.


Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on 
batteries coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by 
letting the apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have 
to go to the facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or 
ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Jaime Solorza]

+ on Lewis.  Phoenix Contact or Sola  have several options

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 27, 2018 8:55 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Phoenix and Meanwell both make good AC to DC power supplies that have
> battery managers available with low voltage disconnects. They also have
> temp monitors to prevent over charging and dry contracts for alarm states.
> You pick the battery size and the and size of the power supply based on
> your load and how fast you want your batteries to recover.
>
> Once we went to this setup or power problems practically disappeared. Sure
> monitors tell you when per drops and if you know the battery size you can
> calculate how long you have if Power drops before you have to get a helmet
> or there if it doesn't come back.
>
> Once we got all sites on this setup Mikrotik routers became out biggest
> downtime issue. And they are decently reliable.
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018, 9:44 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Give me a list of all the stuff you need to power, and I can tell you how
>> I'd do it... whether or not that's the best, or even a good way to do it,
>> is another matter. It is going to involve a pile of Packetflux stuff though
>> (of course most of that might already be there anyway... )
>>
>> That Alpha Cordex thing does look pretty nice, and would certainly
>> simplify things.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>>
>>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>>> some advisory busget.
>>>
>>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on
>>> batteries coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by
>>> letting the apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go
>>> to the facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Lewis Bergman]

Oh yeah, track makes them too I think but I never used those.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018, 9:55 AM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> Phoenix and Meanwell both make good AC to DC power supplies that have
> battery managers available with low voltage disconnects. They also have
> temp monitors to prevent over charging and dry contracts for alarm states.
> You pick the battery size and the and size of the power supply based on
> your load and how fast you want your batteries to recover.
>
> Once we went to this setup or power problems practically disappeared. Sure
> monitors tell you when per drops and if you know the battery size you can
> calculate how long you have if Power drops before you have to get a helmet
> or there if it doesn't come back.
>
> Once we got all sites on this setup Mikrotik routers became out biggest
> downtime issue. And they are decently reliable.
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018, 9:44 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Give me a list of all the stuff you need to power, and I can tell you how
>> I'd do it... whether or not that's the best, or even a good way to do it,
>> is another matter. It is going to involve a pile of Packetflux stuff though
>> (of course most of that might already be there anyway... )
>>
>> That Alpha Cordex thing does look pretty nice, and would certainly
>> simplify things.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>>
>>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>>> some advisory busget.
>>>
>>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on
>>> batteries coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by
>>> letting the apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go
>>> to the facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Lewis Bergman]

Phoenix and Meanwell both make good AC to DC power supplies that have
battery managers available with low voltage disconnects. They also have
temp monitors to prevent over charging and dry contracts for alarm states.
You pick the battery size and the and size of the power supply based on
your load and how fast you want your batteries to recover.

Once we went to this setup or power problems practically disappeared. Sure
monitors tell you when per drops and if you know the battery size you can
calculate how long you have if Power drops before you have to get a helmet
or there if it doesn't come back.

Once we got all sites on this setup Mikrotik routers became out biggest
downtime issue. And they are decently reliable.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018, 9:44 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Give me a list of all the stuff you need to power, and I can tell you how
> I'd do it... whether or not that's the best, or even a good way to do it,
> is another matter. It is going to involve a pile of Packetflux stuff though
> (of course most of that might already be there anyway... )
>
> That Alpha Cordex thing does look pretty nice, and would certainly
> simplify things.
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>
>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>> some advisory busget.
>>
>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
>> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
>> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
>> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Mathew Howard]

Give me a list of all the stuff you need to power, and I can tell you how
I'd do it... whether or not that's the best, or even a good way to do it,
is another matter. It is going to involve a pile of Packetflux stuff though
(of course most of that might already be there anyway... )

That Alpha Cordex thing does look pretty nice, and would certainly simplify
things.

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>
> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some
> advisory busget.
>
> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Josh Baird]

These look nice.  Any idea how much the 48V/650W model is? I like that it
has integrated battery charging and management.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 6:51 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
> 24V 400W.
> Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
> Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>
>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>> some advisory busget.
>>
>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
>> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
>> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
>> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[can...@believewireless.net]

It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
24V 400W.
Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>
> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some
> advisory busget.
>
> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>

[AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Steve Jones]

Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some
advisory busget.

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.