[AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
What about a smaller station, like a pirate one, that has a smaller power output and broadcasts to a micro market. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2...@... wrote: Since there are no more frequencies to be had, the only way to create such a station would be to buy a radio station and change the format OR perhaps take your chances on a pirate station. You might aproach the non-comm stations that are at the college and universities to program at least a few hours a day of GROCK type programming. They may already be picking up on it. There is going to be a protest at the station on Saturday to reinstate the old programming this should be good. It will be great publicity for the station. http://www.app.com/article/20090122/NEWS/90122024 From: Jack Pitzer hing...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:32:44 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock You seem pretty knowledgeable about radio. In your opinion, besides the money aspect, what do you think it would take to create a similar radio station to GROCK. How could one scale down and operate on a smaller budget and still serve the community? It seems like the audience is there. Aren't they as vital to the success of radio as is the teen demographic that the change is gear toward? There's already so many stations in our area playing exactly the same top 40. --- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: Grock is two radio stations that with a combined coverage area from northern Monmouth county to beyond Atlantic City. They are far from worthless properties or in jeopardy of going off the air anytime soon regardless of what format they adopt. It is just a matter of how much money they will make. _ _ __ From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@ To: asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:45:11 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock It's definitely a loss to the entire music scene within it's listening range. I know so many people that listen to this station at work, and I'm sure they are up in arms, and in search of what to listen to next. This will probably be another nail in the coffin of terrestrial radio. --- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ ... wrote: Or said another way, everyone here is always talking about AP and its music scene. Well, a huge part of the music scene here (Pony, Convention Hall) and at Starland is alternative. Beyonce will not be playing at the Pony any time soon. But the one station that would sponsor shows and announce shows at these venues is now gone. I think that is a loss to our music scene. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
Thanks for the info. It's definitely thought provocking.
What about if you sold local ad time?
Would the FCC look at that as a felony if you didn't have a license?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2...@... wrote:
You could set up a 100 watt station and get the range of WYGG, further if you
can get
you antenna up higher. You can pick up a 10 or 20 watt transmitter for a few
hundred
dollars. All you need is a small mixer, a laptop, some DJ software and you are
on the air.
You can automate it so you never have to be there.
Twenty watts will give you about three good miles depending on the height of
the
antenna.
The FCC doesn't have time to mess with pirate stations as long as you don't
interfere
with other stations and keep the obscenity down, but in NJ they have their own
state law
that makes it a felony to operate any sort of radio transmitting equipment
without a
license. 104.7 looks open.
From: Jack Pitzer hing...@...
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:16:50 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
What about a smaller station, like a pirate one, that has a smaller power
output and
broadcasts to a micro market.
--- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote:
Since there are no more frequencies to be had, the only way to create such
a station
would be to buy a radio station and change the format OR perhaps take your
chances on
a
pirate station. You might aproach the non-comm stations that are at the
college and
universities to program at least a few hours a day of GROCK type programming.
They
may
already be picking up on it.
There is going to be a protest at the station on Saturday to reinstate the
old
programming this should be good. It will be great publicity for the station.
http://www.app. com/article/ 20090122/ NEWS/90122024
_ _ __
From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@
To: asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:32:44 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
You seem pretty knowledgeable about radio.
In your opinion, besides the money aspect, what do you think it would take
to create a
similar radio station to GROCK.
How could one scale down and operate on a smaller budget and still serve
the
community?
It seems like the audience is there. Aren't they as vital to the success of
radio as is the
teen demographic that the change is gear toward?
There's already so many stations in our area playing exactly the same top
40.
--- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote:
Grock is two radio stations that with a combined coverage area from
northern Monmouth county to beyond Atlantic City. They are far from
worthless
properties
or in jeopardy of going off the air anytime soon regardless of what format
they adopt.
It
is
just a matter of how much money they will make.
_ _ __
From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@
To: asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:45:11 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
It's definitely a loss to the entire music scene within it's listening
range.
I know so many people that listen to this station at work, and I'm sure
they are up
in
arms,
and in search of what to listen to next. This will probably be another
nail in the
coffin
of
terrestrial radio.
--- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ ...
wrote:
Or said another way, everyone here is always talking about AP and its
music scene. Well, a huge part of the music scene here (Pony,
Convention Hall) and at Starland is alternative. Beyonce will not be
playing at the Pony any time soon. But the one station that would
sponsor shows and announce shows at these venues is now gone. I think
that is a loss to our music scene.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
I doubt Grock is savable. Take a look at this: http://www.grockradio.com/ --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw light...@... wrote: Oak, The idea of going pirate is extremely tempting for many of us with internet radio stations. If I had just 5-10 watts, I could easily reach 100,000 people on the beach each summer. That's a bit more than my potential right now :) oakdorf wrote: --- jack read this. Let ur pirate fantasies take over... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBFR_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBFR_(pirate_radio) Didn't there used to be a pirate station that operated off the NJ coast - or did I see a movie? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
Heath Kit ruled. I miss their store on Rt. 35 in Ocean. http://www.heathkit-museum.com/ --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ wrote: DOn't interfere and don't swear and you should be fine. The more power you operate the more problems you have. bring back the heathkit (build your own tv) and cb radios... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
For me, the biggest issue is that a whole genre of music has now disappeared, and the new programming is totally aimed at the early teen market. It's definitely all about money, and unfortunately music fans that are more interested in more then sugary pop are going to find new alternatives. Also, this is a blow to local clubs that advertised on GROCK, such as the Saint. I don't know what the answer is, but I tend to think that either a new station, probably one of the local college ones, will rise up in GROCKS absence. And as much as I love Sirius, it's national, with no local content. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2...@... wrote: I've been hearing that for over 20 years now. Radio station groups purchased radio station the way unqualifed homeowners purchased homes. Radio stations still make money, even in these hard times, if you aren't paying off a large note on the station. I will agree that satelite radio may not make it through but terrestrial FM still has many years to go before it is dead. I like free medium not the pay-to-play for every bit of music or information model. As the economy tumbles, free radio and TV will become viable again. On-demand costs money and as discretionary spending goes away so will the demand for on-demand. At least until things get better. From: Jack Pitzer hing...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:45:56 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock Terrestrial radio is a dead medium. It's going to have to reinvent itself in order to compete with the technology that's replacing it. We now live in an on demand culture. The internet killed both the radio star and the video star, and it's given rise to the YouTube star, where everybody has been given their between clicks length seconds of fame. --- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, lightgrw lightgrw@ . wrote: Grock was just a shell of the station that the old 106.3 was. As far as sponsoring shows in the area, most of the time radio stations aren't bringing these acts to the area they are just promoting the show through advertising. The acts will still come, the venues will just have to find other places to promote the shows from. The old 106.3 routinely packed clubs with the shows they sponsored. I've been to shows that Grock promoted that only brought a dozen people to The Saint. It didn't surprise me at all that the station changed formats. Many of the old 106.3 fans bolted when the corporation took over and judging by the way they sometimes struggled with the shows they promoted, they didn't have a fraction of the audience numbers. charlie wrote: Havn't posted in awhile... I remember the original station when I was in HS, FM106.3. That was a good station... Then it sold and out came G rock. G rock was pretty bad when it first came out, for a few years actually... But It got better. I turned on the station the other day unaware of the change.. Wow, it's pure garbage! In time it may get better, the same way G rock did. Who knows. But it's already off to a bad since they are promoting a cheese based music style. G rock differed, they did suck at first, but at least they started out with heart promoting what the station had alwasy been about. Who knows, we will see what happens. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
You seem pretty knowledgeable about radio. In your opinion, besides the money aspect, what do you think it would take to create a similar radio station to GROCK. How could one scale down and operate on a smaller budget and still serve the community? It seems like the audience is there. Aren't they as vital to the success of radio as is the teen demographic that the change is gear toward? There's already so many stations in our area playing exactly the same top 40. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2...@... wrote: Grock is two radio stations that with a combined coverage area from northern Monmouth county to beyond Atlantic City. They are far from worthless properties or in jeopardy of going off the air anytime soon regardless of what format they adopt. It is just a matter of how much money they will make. From: Jack Pitzer hing...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:45:11 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock It's definitely a loss to the entire music scene within it's listening range. I know so many people that listen to this station at work, and I'm sure they are up in arms, and in search of what to listen to next. This will probably be another nail in the coffin of terrestrial radio. --- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ ... wrote: Or said another way, everyone here is always talking about AP and its music scene. Well, a huge part of the music scene here (Pony, Convention Hall) and at Starland is alternative. Beyonce will not be playing at the Pony any time soon. But the one station that would sponsor shows and announce shows at these venues is now gone. I think that is a loss to our music scene. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Could the city benefit by adding a blog to it's website?
Yesterday during the transition of power, a new website was launched. http://www.whitehouse.gov Part of the website is a section called The Office of Public Liason which I've read will evolve into a public forum. Wouldn't such a thing be a great addition to our cities website? A place similar to this where people can brainstorm, post ideas, think aloud? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Could the city benefit by adding a blog to it's website?
Something Gabrielle said recently made me think of this concept. I think (hope) there are many people in our city who have good ideas that they would like to be heard and discussed on the city level, but I also think that it may be tough to find the time to actually attend council meetings and such. Of course, it would take moderation and time, which costs money, but perhaps the effectiveness of such a forum would justify the cost. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mw...@... wrote: Jack: Interesting concept. Not sure if I would want my tax dollars going to support .. the like comments from this list! At least the posted would be signed. Michael From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:asburyp...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jack Pitzer Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:34 AM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Could the city benefit by adding a blog to it's website? Yesterday during the transition of power, a new website was launched. http://www.whitehouse.gov Part of the website is a section called The Office of Public Liason which I've read will evolve into a public forum. Wouldn't such a thing be a great addition to our cities website? A place similar to this where people can brainstorm, post ideas, think aloud? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
It's definitely a loss to the entire music scene within it's listening range. I know so many people that listen to this station at work, and I'm sure they are up in arms, and in search of what to listen to next. This will probably be another nail in the coffin of terrestrial radio. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: Or said another way, everyone here is always talking about AP and its music scene. Well, a huge part of the music scene here (Pony, Convention Hall) and at Starland is alternative. Beyonce will not be playing at the Pony any time soon. But the one station that would sponsor shows and announce shows at these venues is now gone. I think that is a loss to our music scene. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
Terrestrial radio is a dead medium. It's going to have to reinvent itself in order to compete with the technology that's replacing it. We now live in an on demand culture. The internet killed both the radio star and the video star, and it's given rise to the YouTube star, where everybody has been given their between clicks length seconds of fame. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw light...@... wrote: Grock was just a shell of the station that the old 106.3 was. As far as sponsoring shows in the area, most of the time radio stations aren't bringing these acts to the area they are just promoting the show through advertising. The acts will still come, the venues will just have to find other places to promote the shows from. The old 106.3 routinely packed clubs with the shows they sponsored. I've been to shows that Grock promoted that only brought a dozen people to The Saint. It didn't surprise me at all that the station changed formats. Many of the old 106.3 fans bolted when the corporation took over and judging by the way they sometimes struggled with the shows they promoted, they didn't have a fraction of the audience numbers. charlie wrote: Havn't posted in awhile... I remember the original station when I was in HS, FM106.3. That was a good station... Then it sold and out came G rock. G rock was pretty bad when it first came out, for a few years actually... But It got better. I turned on the station the other day unaware of the change.. Wow, it's pure garbage! In time it may get better, the same way G rock did. Who knows. But it's already off to a bad since they are promoting a cheese based music style. G rock differed, they did suck at first, but at least they started out with heart promoting what the station had alwasy been about. Who knows, we will see what happens. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How come no one
I'm inspired!!! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: Well exactly who would pay for it and what would the turn out be? Turn on the TV or better yet, the Internet. No one would come, you're right. He gave a great speech. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How come no one
I can't agree more. I celebration about diversity beginning with a public gathering to watch the inauguration. I'm glad we stopped production here at work to watch it as a group. I also agree about spending like fools, and I'd love to see that ideal spread to the way we manufacture things in the US. I know that's tough because we are a consumer driven society and so many of our products are designed with built in obsolescence. Surely we can figure out a new way... I also hope we've seen an end to the era of the McMansion, but that's going to be a tough one since much of our television programming is aimed at showing us how great celebrities and people with money live compared to the larger population. Shows like Cribs and on and on and on. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: I agree, great speech Actually, I thought if they pumped up an inaguration event in CH or P, they would of could of had an event that would of meant something to the diveristy of AP - something like that anyway. They are calling OB one great stimulus pacakge on his own - as he has created probably more millonaires in one year. That is,those that were smart enough to print and sell his images on everything. The problem is to get people to stop spending like fools. An exmaple given - those that spend $10 to buy a fake $1.00 bill with the image of Obama on it. I know it's the event... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How come no one
I can't agree more. A celebration about diversity beginning with a public gathering to watch the inauguration. I'm glad we stopped production here at work to watch it as a group. I also agree about spending like fools, and I'd love to see that ideal spread to the way we manufacture things in the US. I know that's tough because we are a consumer driven society and so many of our products are designed with built in obsolescence. Surely we can figure out a new way... I also hope we've seen an end to the era of the McMansion, but that's going to be a tough one since much of our television programming is aimed at showing us how great celebrities and people with money live compared to the larger population. Shows like Cribs and on and on and on. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: I agree, great speech Actually, I thought if they pumped up an inaguration event in CH or P, they would of could of had an event that would of meant something to the diveristy of AP - something like that anyway. They are calling OB one great stimulus pacakge on his own - as he has created probably more millonaires in one year. That is,those that were smart enough to print and sell his images on everything. The problem is to get people to stop spending like fools. An exmaple given - those that spend $10 to buy a fake $1.00 bill with the image of Obama on it. I know it's the event... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How come no one
It's not about spending for the economy's sake. It's about spending responsibly. Too many of our citizens are over there heads in debt. Too many people bought homes they couldn't afford. I think that's what Oak is talking about. We also need to curb predatory creditors that pray on people's inability to read the fine print and understand what they are getting into. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I also agree about spending like fools Really want to see the economy tank - stop spending. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How come no one
You know what was great for me on the eating less issue? Finding out I have high blood pressure. First thing I learned was how to live a low sodium lifestyle. Awesome and healthy. Second thing was I had a really long bout with insomnia, so my dr prescribed Ambien. In order for Ambien to work, you have to take it on an empty stomach, which in general is 3 hours after eating dinner. So, that meant no more before the bed snacking. Now my BP is normal, I'm sleeping like a baby, and I'm losing weight. Love it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Really want to see the economy tank - stop spending. How about spending smarter and/or healthier? It's great when it's coming in - if you/your spouse or family have seen no impact or worried about job security- then spend away. But those who live day by day check to check or have other concerns - really have to pay attention to where it goes. The old fashioned way: Column A - what comes in Column B - what goes out and where Eating less is a good way to save your life and money. The portions some places serve and the prices they charge saves your body but empties your wallet. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Reality vs Rose Colored Glasses
No, I actually don't take things too personally. I think you are blissfully unaware of how insulting you can be at times. You basically suggested I was insane in a recent post. You told me my perception is wrong. I love Asbury Park and I have a different vision where I wish the city would go and you tell me I'm wrong. Complaining isn't useless when it leads to meaningful discussion, and it breaks down when you interrupt that discussion by projecting thoughts in which you suggest insanity. You refuse to understand that my thoughts about AP come from the fact that I love this place. I subject myself and my car to a 140 mile a day commute because I don't want to live any place else. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: Thank you so much Jennifer and Jadee for the perception thoughts. Jennifer, your balance and equanimity is an inspiration for me and something I need to learn from. Werner, I am truly sorry for going off on you some weeks ago. I know how valuable your knowledge of Asbury is. Your love is clear. But science does tell us that perception has a lot to do with us. Is it Heisenberg's principle that even suggests that we CHANGE reality with our perceptions? I just listened to a talk by Russel Targ, physicist, CIA trainer and author of a new book called I think the end of suffering. Thats where my passion lies. I used to be so negative about everything (ask my mother). We have to change if we want our world to change. Be negative if you want, but it really only hurts yourself. Jack, you take things way too personally. Life is so much more enjoyable when you don't. Whatever someone says has nothing to do with us. Only egos get offended. No one can touch who you are at essence. Thats freedom. And insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. And complaining is useless. I don't have the time to be as involved as I would like, and I don't have the tolerance for the BS, phoniness, scheming etc. And I don't live in the past, or reminisce about it. I am an optimist and most people would look at my life and wonder how that is possible. I'm 41 about to enter vocational school. There are so many good things happening in the world its amazing. Find a talk on FORA tv by Paul Hawken. So beautiful. And it may sound kooky on this board, but the only reason we are here is to expand in consciousness and love. Yes for our enemies, those who would take us down, etc. Happy Happy inauguration Day! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: - maybe change is needed in AP as well. Someone to figure out AP's decades old fiscal problems and devise a plan that will focus on becoming self funded with such a reliance on the state, fed gov, singers, builders etc.. Story in the APP on how the 600 school districts are going to HAVE to go k-12 or form regional districts. But that will up to the county to decide. So right along the shore you have Bradley, Deal, Belmar etc - all will have to come to grips soon, as will having to pay a fairer sahre of our property taxes. Anyone see that Neptune has introduced an ordinance to charge a 3% hotel tax? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Reality vs Rose Colored Glasses
I thought about what you wrote before, about me taking things too personally. I'll admit that I'm too sensitive, so you are probably right. So, in the spirit of change that is so prevailing today, I'll take your observation as constructive criticism. I'd also like to suggest that you read the book The Tao of Pooh Best wishes on this amazing day. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: Thank you so much Jennifer and Jadee for the perception thoughts. Jennifer, your balance and equanimity is an inspiration for me and something I need to learn from. Werner, I am truly sorry for going off on you some weeks ago. I know how valuable your knowledge of Asbury is. Your love is clear. But science does tell us that perception has a lot to do with us. Is it Heisenberg's principle that even suggests that we CHANGE reality with our perceptions? I just listened to a talk by Russel Targ, physicist, CIA trainer and author of a new book called I think the end of suffering. Thats where my passion lies. I used to be so negative about everything (ask my mother). We have to change if we want our world to change. Be negative if you want, but it really only hurts yourself. Jack, you take things way too personally. Life is so much more enjoyable when you don't. Whatever someone says has nothing to do with us. Only egos get offended. No one can touch who you are at essence. Thats freedom. And insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. And complaining is useless. I don't have the time to be as involved as I would like, and I don't have the tolerance for the BS, phoniness, scheming etc. And I don't live in the past, or reminisce about it. I am an optimist and most people would look at my life and wonder how that is possible. I'm 41 about to enter vocational school. There are so many good things happening in the world its amazing. Find a talk on FORA tv by Paul Hawken. So beautiful. And it may sound kooky on this board, but the only reason we are here is to expand in consciousness and love. Yes for our enemies, those who would take us down, etc. Happy Happy inauguration Day! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: - maybe change is needed in AP as well. Someone to figure out AP's decades old fiscal problems and devise a plan that will focus on becoming self funded with such a reliance on the state, fed gov, singers, builders etc.. Story in the APP on how the 600 school districts are going to HAVE to go k-12 or form regional districts. But that will up to the county to decide. So right along the shore you have Bradley, Deal, Belmar etc - all will have to come to grips soon, as will having to pay a fairer sahre of our property taxes. Anyone see that Neptune has introduced an ordinance to charge a 3% hotel tax? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Two Asbury groups seeking volunteers
Two Asbury groups seeking volunteers JANUARY 16, 2009 ASBURY PARK: Two city groups hope residents will direct some of their energy for President- elect Barack Obama's call for a nationwide Day of Community Service Saturday by participating in a Sunset Lake cleanup scheduled for 9 a.m. to noon. The city public works department provides the tools, gloves and receptacles for debris collected from the lake. For information, call Amy Quinn, (201) 259-7108, or Tom Pivinski, (908) 489-4391. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Reality vs Rose Colored Glasses
It's amazing that somebody who casts themselves as enlightened finds the need to put down and want silence other people who have a different vision then yours... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: Good morning newbee, I was wondering where the anonymous malcontent was. Just to let you know I drove through town and by the boardwalk last night and there were LOTS of people enjoying AP. Spending their money eating and drinking and taking up parking spaces and providing work for all sorts of people paying sales sales tax etc. But you wouldn't know that because you don't live here. Rafferty's was busy, Brick wall looked busy, Market in the Middle's bar looked busy. It was a little early for paradise but there were cars in the lot (from my direct experience sat nights are usually packed). Stella Marina had people at the Bar upstairs, there were no open diagonal parking spaces open along ocean. Langosta appeared busy (from what I could see, someone who worked last sat said it was jammin). People were going into Wonder Bar. All this on a freezing evening in the middle of one of the worst economic downturns in American history. Well whatya know. I may be a loner on this board (which I don't mind, I am fiercely independent and was taught to stand on my own with out the need of a pandering posse) but there were lots of those like me, enjoying themselves, spending money and contributing to Asbury's economy last night in AP. I don't care about the budget anymore. I said this before, the entire world is in debt, 13 million for a city in redevelopment is nothing. Should the city figure out ways to get some of the green coming in, of course, but I'm not about to subject myself to city council meetings you and jack can feel free. I know Werner is usually there. I am figuring out other ways to serve that don't involve so many egos and bullshit. Maybe you, Werner and Jack should start a complaint and gripe board where you can post the same things over and over and over. I'll send some healing love over to you, do some tonglen meditation for ya before I go out on my tight budget and have some fun dancing with others who know how to express the joy of their spirit in community. why dont' you come down on the 31st for the bartender mix off. I'll spot the 5 bucks for you. and again, I'll call you on who you really are. I think mark mentioned it once. You probably aren't new to ap, just a shit stirrer. maybe a failed business owner licking wounds and trying to create misery (unhappy people are good at that). cheers buddy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Holed up in this freezing weather forced me to entertain myself again (I had sworn off) with this group. What do I find? - the ongoing attitude by some that AP is fine the way it is, 'just enjoy it and have fun'. I'll bet that the people (you know who you are) with that attitude know very little about what it takes to make a town work. Especially from a financial perspective. What happened to that budget discussion? This is a New Year - what are the projections for revenue, expenses. Is AP racking up a negative $13M or more balance sheet again? BTW: Is that beachfront done yet? Its going on a year since that was promised. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Reality vs Rose Colored Glasses
I honestly think that it's appalling that the freedom of speech that America's founders fought so hard for has at times become so twisted and ugly. When I see people on the internet posting horrible racist comments about our new president, I simply will not sit back and be silent. I'd love to see the whole nation become smarter and have a more educated and worldly voice, and I believe our new president very well may lead us in that direction. That being said, if you are going to use my own beliefs against me, then think about where I'm coming from and what I'm trying to say. As for AP, why are you so intent on complaining about complaining? You never respond to different visions then yours with curiosity or even acknowledge that maybe a bit of what we had could've had a positive effect on where we are going. Why is it so wrong to be sad that the city made virtually no attempt to preserve what once made it famous? Take me being upset about the Arthur Pryor bandshell. Did you ever go to a show there? I did. I played at shows there. It was amazing. If it had been preserved, it would be an attraction. The brass band that plays on the boardwalk could perform up there in a great setting. Most of the shows used to be free, but money could be made if it was utilized, although I love that you once could see a free concert in such an exceptional and unique setting. If you truly are on a path toward the enlightenment you seek, you should have a more open mind and be willing to listen to other voices, because you might learn something along the way. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: when and where did I say I was enlightened? I believe in enlightenment, but I am no where near it. If I was I wouldn't be responding to anonymous internet trolls. And when and where did I try to silence anyone? You don't like what I have to say. I am supposed to shut up? Remember Jack, you are the one who thinks only educated people should have a voice. I think everyone should. And use it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: It's amazing that somebody who casts themselves as enlightened finds the need to put down and want silence other people who have a different vision then yours... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: Good morning newbee, I was wondering where the anonymous malcontent was. Just to let you know I drove through town and by the boardwalk last night and there were LOTS of people enjoying AP. Spending their money eating and drinking and taking up parking spaces and providing work for all sorts of people paying sales sales tax etc. But you wouldn't know that because you don't live here. Rafferty's was busy, Brick wall looked busy, Market in the Middle's bar looked busy. It was a little early for paradise but there were cars in the lot (from my direct experience sat nights are usually packed). Stella Marina had people at the Bar upstairs, there were no open diagonal parking spaces open along ocean. Langosta appeared busy (from what I could see, someone who worked last sat said it was jammin). People were going into Wonder Bar. All this on a freezing evening in the middle of one of the worst economic downturns in American history. Well whatya know. I may be a loner on this board (which I don't mind, I am fiercely independent and was taught to stand on my own with out the need of a pandering posse) but there were lots of those like me, enjoying themselves, spending money and contributing to Asbury's economy last night in AP. I don't care about the budget anymore. I said this before, the entire world is in debt, 13 million for a city in redevelopment is nothing. Should the city figure out ways to get some of the green coming in, of course, but I'm not about to subject myself to city council meetings you and jack can feel free. I know Werner is usually there. I am figuring out other ways to serve that don't involve so many egos and bullshit. Maybe you, Werner and Jack should start a complaint and gripe board where you can post the same things over and over and over. I'll send some healing love over to you, do some tonglen meditation for ya before I go out on my tight budget and have some fun dancing with others who know how to express the joy of their spirit in community. why dont' you come down on the 31st for the bartender mix off. I'll spot the 5 bucks for you. and again, I'll call you on who you really are. I think mark mentioned it once. You probably aren't new to ap, just a shit stirrer. maybe a failed business owner licking wounds and trying to create misery (unhappy people are good at that). cheers buddy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Holed up
[AsburyPark] Re: Reality vs Rose Colored Glasses
I don't see Obama as our saviour, I see him as an inspiration, and people all over the world are saying the same thing. The night he was elected, i said aloud for the first time I can remember in my adult life that I am proud to be an American The world and AP doesn't have to be what they are. That kind of attitude changes nothing. I do agree that we all should be better, and that's why I have an opinion of the absolutely horrible things that people post on the internet in stories about Obama. It's an incredible waste of our core American value of freedom of speech. To me, there is no value, nor nothing to be learned from somebody calling him an N word, asking Lee Harvey Oswald, where are you now and on and on. All those comments do is to show how far we still need to go as a nation. I also think we've become dumbed down as a culture, and I partially think that this very medium is responsible. We tend to form our opinions based on soundbytes and headlines rather then paragraphs and chapters. And statistically, our education system lags behind many other nations. Do you understand that when you compare yourself to me, and write What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. that you are being really insulting? Do you understand what you are suggesting? Finally, I'd love to have the time in my life to be more involved in the city, but the fact is I commute 70 miles each way to work, 5 days a week, and I often don't get home until 8 pm. I simply don't have the free time that perhaps you do. That's why I post on this group. Honestly, I wish our cities website had a forum just like this one so our voices could be heard. And perhaps you don't realize that things that get discussed here have actually effected change in the city. That's probably due to Jim Keadys membership here. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: Look Jack, the world and Asbury are what they are. I happen to believe that if we want the world to be better WE have to be better. Not the world. Obama isn't our Saviour. Though many seem to behave that way. I am not using your own beliefs against you, you can't be for free speech for only the smart people. Any tyranny can choose who should speak and who shouldn't. Freedom is freedom for everybody even the people who disagree with you. If you want more tolerance you have to be tolerant. Take it all personally and be appalled, you are only hurting yourself. Gandhi wasn't being flippant, we have to be the change, its not a joke. I don't mind the complaining about Asbury, it just doesn't seem to be to effective or constructive. Complaining never is. I used to complain all the time. What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I could say the same thing about you listening to different voices, and I am the only one here saying what I am saying. Don't forget, this city was founded by a bunch of white straight christian married men. I thank god every day we don't live in that city anymore. I would be dirt, you would be ok. That's history. I am not nostalgic for times past, the past is over. There are things from the past I loved that are gone, the carousel, the ferris wheel those awesome fun houses that you rode those little carts on. And there are tons of things in the present I love. The beach bar, the new stone pony, the lanes, paradise, stella marina, market in the middle, twisted tree, brick wall. I love looking at the carousel building in the lights. I think one of the ways to a more enlightened way of living is love and acceptance for what IS. From there things change. Like I said before, if you really want to affect what happens here you have to be involved, go to city council meetings, join commissions, draw up a realistic plan for how a music hall of fame would be profitable. No one is going to take ranting seriously. I just don't see evidence that ap is currently some sort of failure. But time will tell. Do the people at the lanes have a problem with the music scene? What about the pony? Is live nation in trouble, the saint? Are there musicians who won't play here or have trouble getting booked here (assuming they warrant booking). The bandshell is gone perhaps, but the lanes is here, a pretty cool place to see a show. Being hung up on what was is just a path to misery. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I honestly think that it's appalling that the freedom of speech that America's founders fought so hard for has at times become so twisted and ugly. When I see people on the internet posting horrible racist comments about our new president, I simply will not sit back and be silent. I'd love to see the whole nation become smarter and have a more educated and worldly voice, and I believe our new
[AsburyPark] Re: Reality vs Rose Colored Glasses
Before she was known to the world, Ingrid Michaelson performed at the Saint. Also, once upon a time, Nicole was the door person at The Saint. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: In a message dated 1/18/2009 8:29:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marioa...@... writes: But then got another promo email for Nicle Atkins' CD, Neptune City. And it reminded me of all you've been saying: === In case that blurb appeared as wing dings here's the link it came from: _http://tinyurl.com/9larv6_ (http://tinyurl.com/9larv6) or _New Music Minute featuring Ingrid Michaelson Nicole Atkins | Neophiliacs_ (http://www.neophiliacs.com/new-music-minute-featuring-ingrid-michaelson- nicole- atkins/) **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol? redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx? sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
Thanks Sharon! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b...@... wrote: Know what? I'mm old enough to be both of your mothers, but I have the same attitude as YOU do! Nostalgia my you know what! Those were YOUR times, YOUR memories and I don't see a damn thing wrong with that! I can see it through your eyes, as I have kids your age, the whole WNEW thing, which coming out of the 60's, I would write the notes to Neptune High School allowing my kids to skip to be released for a once in a lifetime day! I received a phone call at my job, because the principal didn't believe I wrote it, (the note)! Yes, I was a regular drill sargeant at home, because with 5 kids, I didn't see why they couldn't keep order at home! My idea of a good time, was to pack the car and go up to Yankee Stadium to see a game or in the summer go to the Meadowlands for a Budweiser Beer Fest! I'm sure my kids thought I was a pain in the ass, more than once! I call it discipline! You only get one childhood, so why can't it be happy? Anyway, my kids still recall many of the group things we did together, especially since they didn't have to pay for anything! I've gotten early tans, because one of them was playing Babe Ruth Ball or driving to Delaware to see my youngest son run in college. Oak and Jack, I'm feeling BOTH of you and I'm on the same page as you! So what! Someone in this group always sees what others do or feel as insignificant because THEY can't relate, but trust me, I do and I'm glad you remember when the drinking age dropped to 18. Both of my sons could then meet up with us and have a drink on who? Us! Of course! Keep your memories close! Some of us can't relate, but damn it I do! I still party, have a good time and get my drunk on sometimes! At least I tell the truth! I never had the guts to go into the Haunted Mansion, but my scary girls went and came out all shook up! I laughed until I cried when I was told the rats ran across one daughters feet and she jumped on her brothers back for the rest of the ride! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'd love to see some photos of the Clover Club. I also think that in general, college age kids could care less about Springsteen music. I was thinking more about his role in music tourism to AP, but who knows. I'm probably wrong, and while he's huge in the world, he's not as vital as he was during the arena rock days. His new CD seems to be disliked even by hardcore fans. I definitely agree about the 18 issue. I just made it too. I can recall going to The Pour House in Tinton Falls for lunch during my senior year. Those were the days. I also recall working at the Haunted Mansion. I did that for one summer for a whopping $3.10 an hour and loving it. Good times. Maybe I'm just too nostalgic. I loved the time period we are talking about. Loved working at Criterion Chocolates in 2 locations in AP, 1 in Ocean Grove and 1 on the LB boardwalk. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
Where did I say ALL high end retail? I didn't. You and I have a different perspective, that's all. You love it the way it is, I see it and compare it to what it once was, and what I think it could be. There's nothing wrong with that, and once again, you can't really paint a person as chronically dissatisfied only by what you read here, or on the internet in general. It's a snapshot, not the whole story. I also have a different perspective on the music scene. I've worked in it my whole life. When I describe the music scene as I see it today, I compare it to that experience, and I'm not just talking about AP, even if it reads like that. Almost everybody who has a similar background to me has a similar opinion about the state of the music biz. It's just different, which isn't bad. And yeah, I compare AP to Austin TX and other places all the time, because I've spent alot of time there. How is that chronic complaining Doesn't change happen when people think out loud? Why settle for things? Finally, I don't really go out to restaurants in general. I like cooking at home, and to me some of our dining venues are too expensive, and some our kind of unhealthy for me, as I'm dealing with some minor health issues. I also don't really like going to bars. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: Well, the BW isn't ALL high end retail like you suggested. There is entertainment like you think there should be and lets see...the music scene seems pretty lively, just not to your liking for reasons I can't figure out other than it not being the same as when you were in HS. 5 venues + a dance club. I know you will get other chronically dissatisfied people to agree with you but thats the way unhappiness works, sorta like a magnet. How often do you go to any of the restaurants/bars on the BW? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I also think your perception about ap is off How can you judge somebody else's perception? That's kinda ridiculous. Not everybody sees the world thru your eyes. Sorry, but I disagree. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: I certainly wasn't looking for an apology. People can be as unhappy as they wish. Lots of people live the things would be better if... life. I just think its kinda sad and I will reiterate it has more to do with us than the world. I also think your perception about ap is off and would like others to know that there is a tremendous amount to enjoy and love here. There are plenty of posts about ap's failings. i am probably ignorant about springsteen, i mostly listen to lesser known artists. Loved him when I was 11. springsteen is a tiny drop in a sea of great music. and he hardly needs the attention. It also seems sorta pointless to complain here. You should be at city council meetings. Volunteering for commissions. In my experience, the people who complain the most (and i don't just mean here) are those that don't participate in the vibrancy of the place; the food, the nightlife, the celebrations. people are enjoying it and will probably continue to do so. I wish you and the others for whom delight is so out of reach would but that's up to you. the world will never mold to our own ego's specifications so our choice is to become open loving participants, try to become a power mongering tyrant, or be miserable. not a difficult choice for me. (and i love a little dissatisfaction myself once in a while...all egos do). I hope others make it to the economical entertainment on the 31st. And paradise is always a great place to have ...dare i say it, FUN! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: You know what? I make no apologies about my opinions of AP. I'm not going to be dishonest to myself or anybody about it. I think what we have now is a pale version of what we could have, and once had. I think were merely accepting something marginal, and I don't feel bad at all in saying it. Sorry. Currently the boardwalk draws a fraction of what it once did. It's better then it was in recent years, but nothing like what it could be. And as part of the local music scene, yes, we have one, but once again, since I work in the business I feel confident in saying that it also isn't what it could be, but it's the best that it can be at the moment. Obviously you don't know much about Springsteen and his connection to the city. His most famous album is callled Greetings from Asbury Park and the album cover is a classic post card from it's heyday. He rose up in the scene playing at local clubs, most of which no longer exist. His name is inextricably associated with the city. We all have different likes and dislikes
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
For me, it's not just a focus on Bruce or anything, it's more the loss of the boardwalk vibe that I grew up with. On the one hand, as a musician, I grew up playing in AP clubs, and back then the scene was so much more exciting then it is today. Some might argue that Live Nation has brought that back to AP, but it's a pale comparison to what we used to have. WNEW concerts on the beach. Many more venues having great shows every night. The combination of a vibrant boardwalk, the sounds and smells of rides and music was magic. I think we've totally lost that. I will forever reference the vibe of a place like Austin Texas, which has a dedicated music district that's alive and well, completely up to date but also paying tribute to Austin's musical heritage. Our oceanfront music scene is more about yuppies then anything now. Not much to inspire the kids to play music, no desire at all to encourage music that might come out of the west side of town, no Arthur Pryor bandshelljust a strip mall by the sea. I honestly don't think we'll ever see anything more then marginal success as it stands now because what we have is just generic and lacking soul. We made a huge mistake by focusing on retail and real estate instead of pure entertainment. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifern...@... wrote: Jack, I guess I don't see the boardwalk through the same eyes. I never expect boardwalks to be grand. I have lots of very happy boardwalk memories and none were fancy. I grew up in Point Pleasant and worked on that boardwalk. We rolled down the garage doors over the stands to lock up at night. Most people think Point Pleasant is and has always been a very nice place. I have also had similar experiences regarding the Bruce - AP connection. I was in Ireland in the summer of 1980 when I told people where I was from no one had heard of Pt Pl, so I'd move up to AP next. I usually got a Bruce Springsteen response or even a do you know Bruce question. Ireland is a lot smaller than the US. They figured he lived in the next village LOL. If AP didn't work I had to say I was near NYC. I have seen many Bruce fans around the city in the last few years and they seem very pleased with AP. I've taken a lot of pictures for people standing under the Greetings from Asbury Park lights on CH. It wasn't always like this. I remember buying a book back in the late 80's for a Bruce loving boyfriend. The book described AP as a desolate place with an empty beach on the 4th of July. Not anymore. As for a Bruce display, why does it have to be done by the city? Any local business could either borrow or buy Bruce memorabilia and have a display. Just a thought. Hell if Bruce wants to lend All AHEAD some stuff I'd use it as a fundraiser for creating and maintaining homeownership in the city. I'm not sure how, but I'd figure out some way to make money for the cause. Bruce have your people call my people. Jennifer Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
around them. what you see in the world has more to do with what is in your head than what is in the world. its so weird to me, everything you want is already here. except perhaps the teenage you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: The wnew stuff was only around for a few years- one day. Yep - we'd make a killing in a few hours, but NOTHING like being able to open at 7am and close around midnight, at least in my time. If a big group came into town and it was hot - we'd just stay open as long as we could - not close at 9pm. That's how you run a business that relies on hot weather and more - you open early and stay open late and you can't do it alone. If someone needs to hit a golf ball, play for stuffed animal or share a kohr's as it dribbles down your body or ride a carousel or just sit and look at the water or lay in the sand - it's called summer. You stay open at NIGHT, so people can spend money. Junk food = profit. It's 11 degrees. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
I also think your perception about ap is off How can you judge somebody else's perception? That's kinda ridiculous. Not everybody sees the world thru your eyes. Sorry, but I disagree. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: I certainly wasn't looking for an apology. People can be as unhappy as they wish. Lots of people live the things would be better if... life. I just think its kinda sad and I will reiterate it has more to do with us than the world. I also think your perception about ap is off and would like others to know that there is a tremendous amount to enjoy and love here. There are plenty of posts about ap's failings. i am probably ignorant about springsteen, i mostly listen to lesser known artists. Loved him when I was 11. springsteen is a tiny drop in a sea of great music. and he hardly needs the attention. It also seems sorta pointless to complain here. You should be at city council meetings. Volunteering for commissions. In my experience, the people who complain the most (and i don't just mean here) are those that don't participate in the vibrancy of the place; the food, the nightlife, the celebrations. people are enjoying it and will probably continue to do so. I wish you and the others for whom delight is so out of reach would but that's up to you. the world will never mold to our own ego's specifications so our choice is to become open loving participants, try to become a power mongering tyrant, or be miserable. not a difficult choice for me. (and i love a little dissatisfaction myself once in a while...all egos do). I hope others make it to the economical entertainment on the 31st. And paradise is always a great place to have ...dare i say it, FUN! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: You know what? I make no apologies about my opinions of AP. I'm not going to be dishonest to myself or anybody about it. I think what we have now is a pale version of what we could have, and once had. I think were merely accepting something marginal, and I don't feel bad at all in saying it. Sorry. Currently the boardwalk draws a fraction of what it once did. It's better then it was in recent years, but nothing like what it could be. And as part of the local music scene, yes, we have one, but once again, since I work in the business I feel confident in saying that it also isn't what it could be, but it's the best that it can be at the moment. Obviously you don't know much about Springsteen and his connection to the city. His most famous album is callled Greetings from Asbury Park and the album cover is a classic post card from it's heyday. He rose up in the scene playing at local clubs, most of which no longer exist. His name is inextricably associated with the city. We all have different likes and dislikes, and there's nothing wrong with expressing that. You ask me what I like about AP? Plenty. I love my classic apartment and being so close to the beach for a reasonable price. I love the architecture of Convention Hall and the acoustics of The Paramount. I love The Saint, where I work. I absolutely love Cookman Avenue because it still has a classic look with character. But, i greatly dislike the way the boardwalk pavilions have been renovated. It says nothing at all to me. I don't like the architecture at all. I see a strip mall, but that's just me. I greatly dislike the fact that the band shell has been eliminated and that nobody is taking MM to task about it. I think high end retail is a waste of space destined for failure., On the other hand, I love that there's a bike store there, because bicycling by the sea really appeals to me. It's a big fixture in Atlantic City, Cape May, and scores of similar places across the country. My discontent has nothing to do with the vibe in the country, in fact, AP is a safe haven away from it because it's my home. Finally, with all due respect, you've never met me. I'm probably the most immature 47 year old person I know. Smarter, but still very similar to the teenage me. I'm more about aesthetics then money, more about The Adriatic then Applebees. I've also spent a huge amount of time living and working overseas, where they tend to value history more then we do, and preserve things rather then rebuild, and when they do rebuild they tend to stay faithful to what went before. Here in America, it's the opposite for much of the country. We don't build buildings to last anymore, we build them to knock down and replace because of money. And I think that's a great loss. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: once again, my unpopular I heart AP response. for starters, ap HAS a vibrant music scene, right now. Perhaps it doesn't stir the emotions of when you were a teen. We live now
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
The Saint has a great scene. We have a core of locals, and lot's of people who come from places as far as NYC, Brooklyn and PA to attend our shows. Last Saturday, we had a packed house when Val Emmich played. He's been on Ugly Betty and 30 Rock a few times. There is a core underground AP music movement, and a good place to find out more is at this website: http://asburymusician.ning.com/ But the interesting thing in the AP music scene, which is probably pretty common, is that it can be very cliquish without much cross pollination. This is probably because most of our venues pretty much have their own niche, such as Asbury Lanes is very into garage rock and really cool specialty shows, the Saint is more intimate and local, The Wonder Bar is more mainstream and safe, although the shows they did while the Pony was closed were a real departure from what normally happens there. It's good that there's something for almost everybody, but it's just not quite the way it was back in the 80's, but I guess nothing really is any more. Back then, the local music scene was so much more exciting, with lots more clubs and much more club hopping. And we had a very prominent radio station, WHTG, which held it all together. They were pretty visionary, and the now famous Matt Pinfield was a major DJ there. Local bands got lots of airplay and interview time. Back then, radio was pretty much king, where now the internet is king. It was easier for working people back then to just keep WHTG on all day, which was common all across the local music scene. Everybody listened to it. Now, the main delivery method is the internet, which is a pretty short attention span medium, and I truly believe that it's had both a positive and negative effect on local music. The positive is that it's so much easier to spread the word about your band, but the competition is much more fierce when you have so many bands promoting themselves, compared to one cohesive radio station holding our attention. The funny thing is we are so close to Monmouth University, but I don't really see many MU people coming out to AP shows. They are more likely to go to cover band bars and a certain place on Brighton Ave. in LB. But, times have really changed. It's more expensive to go out to shows these days, and some people balk at paying a $10 admission and $6 beer, which can become an pretty expensive night out. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpipe...@... wrote: I'll post this again: http://nicoleatkinsblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/sweet-home-new- orleans.html Thoughts? You work at the Saint. What IS the music scene like there in town now? Is there a way for the musicians and club owners to work together to nurture a scene, independent from government or big business help/interference? If yes, why isn't it happening? What would it take? You've mentioned Austin. The city council didn't create the scene there. The Clifford Antones of the world did. Plus that's a college town. The audience is always around. How do you nurture a scene in a region from which the young tend to flee? And is the boardwalk the only thoroughfare on which it can happen? MM doesn't run the show on Main Street. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: You know what? I make no apologies about my opinions of AP. I'm not going to be dishonest to myself or anybody about it. I think what we have now is a pale version of what we could have, and once had. I think were merely accepting something marginal, and I don't feel bad at all in saying it. Sorry. Currently the boardwalk draws a fraction of what it once did. It's better then it was in recent years, but nothing like what it could be. And as part of the local music scene, yes, we have one, but once again, since I work in the business I feel confident in saying that it also isn't what it could be, but it's the best that it can be at the moment. Obviously you don't know much about Springsteen and his connection to the city. His most famous album is callled Greetings from Asbury Park and the album cover is a classic post card from it's heyday. He rose up in the scene playing at local clubs, most of which no longer exist. His name is inextricably associated with the city. We all have different likes and dislikes, and there's nothing wrong with expressing that. You ask me what I like about AP? Plenty. I love my classic apartment and being so close to the beach for a reasonable price. I love the architecture of Convention Hall and the acoustics of The Paramount. I love The Saint, where I work. I absolutely love Cookman Avenue because it still has a classic look with character. But, i greatly dislike the way the boardwalk pavilions have been renovated. It says nothing at all to me. I don't like the architecture at all. I see a strip mall, but that's
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
I'd love to see some photos of the Clover Club. I also think that in general, college age kids could care less about Springsteen music. I was thinking more about his role in music tourism to AP, but who knows. I'm probably wrong, and while he's huge in the world, he's not as vital as he was during the arena rock days. His new CD seems to be disliked even by hardcore fans. I definitely agree about the 18 issue. I just made it too. I can recall going to The Pour House in Tinton Falls for lunch during my senior year. Those were the days. I also recall working at the Haunted Mansion. I did that for one summer for a whopping $3.10 an hour and loving it. Good times. Maybe I'm just too nostalgic. I loved the time period we are talking about. Loved working at Criterion Chocolates in 2 locations in AP, 1 in Ocean Grove and 1 on the LB boardwalk. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: The Saint has a great scene. When we were in HS and College (we're the same age) we had the original Saint - The Clover Club. 2fers, cheap beer and kamikaze pitchers. They had a pool table I can sit here and recall the ride from sea bright to Belmar and once in while- dumps in Brick,Point or Seaside. In those days Long Branch we had the Pier. Frat nights for free or $1. I never heard of a cosmoHeinekens were a treat as was stealing cases of st pauli girls from my friends grandfathers garage in deal... College was real easy. We just made the drinking age of 18. How much do you think that killed the scene. You drank and drove but had brains, right? You got stopped - you pretty much would be told to go home. Not just the drinking age laws - but the promos as well - 2 fer 1, free booze hours, ladies free, and a hell lot more bands that were either free or what I thought was cheap. How much was booze? The boathouse was the rescue and we had .75 lowenbrau mugs... The MU kids now try to party at home with closed blinds so they don't get raided It's not yesterday - it's today. Times are different and the laws have changed. As have many peoples spending habits... and at MU, according to my dad, they dropped about 250 kids from the spring semester - above average drop rate. Could be tied to parents $. Do the kids at MU really care about Springsteen? Or will they go where their friends are or where THEY know or hop in a car and go to AC or NYC... or hang in the basement of that rented house in ocean with the kegs running? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
Here's an interesting tidbit about Criterion Chocolates. The factor has pretty much always been in Eatontown, and the original candy maker was a cranky German guy named Adolph Shultz He was a mechanical genius, and hand built all of the crazy candy making machines that still exist in the factory. This included a cooling tunnel exactly like the one in the famous I Love Lucy sketch, which had the same type of conveyor belt and women hand picking them. That was pretty much the best smelling place I ever worked at. Huge vats of molten milk and dark chocolate. Yum. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'd love to see some photos of the Clover Club. Now you're asking for alot. No cell phones, no digital cameras so no drunk facebook pics. I also think that in general, college age kids could care less about Springsteen music ..exactly - just once in awhile my kid will blast it - but that and thousands of other choices on the iPod. Not a couple cassettes stuck in your car. at Criterion Chocolates in 2 locations in AP, 1 in Ocean Grove and 1 on the LB boardwalk. And I miss the Criterion girls and Kohr's girls. It used to be so easy to barter. You want a tab and fries? Free ice cream? no problem. I got sweedish fish,taffy, Kohrs shakes and a few other dates here and there wathcing those summer students from up north guzzling long island ice teas and doing shots. then off to Xandau... Life changes. Now I'm looking to barter adspace for an apartment in NYC. See if this works. The CC was a classic. Bring that back and camarano's in Long branch... I'll end it now. When you hit the megamill, let me know. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Forget Bruce. How about Mickey Rourke?
The name of that movie was Home Boy When they were shooting it, they built a temporary carnival over in Ocean Grove. In Bruce's Tunnel of Love video, you can see it in the background as he's walking along the beach. Also, Debbie Gibson shot her Only in my Dreams video on our beach, and Skid Row did one in the rotting Casino. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: Ho hum ho hum. Part of a Golden Globe flick partially filmed in AP. Stills on Fox movie site with some stills of Rourke etc walking the BW and sitting on CH. There are some little things that you can capitalize on on - even if for a brief moment in time. Take the cheap and free pr and run with it, no? Asbury Park mayor is proud to have this film Asbury Park and it's unique Convention Hall and boardwalk used once again for scenes in... Or should it be asbury park's once grand casino and carousel house used as section of abandoned casino building in Grand Theft Auto series.. eeny meeny... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Forget Bruce. How about Mickey Rourke?
Oh, I'm talking about the earlier movie with Rourke shot in the 80's. Many of my friends were extras in it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hing...@... wrote: The name of that movie was Home Boy When they were shooting it, they built a temporary carnival over in Ocean Grove. In Bruce's Tunnel of Love video, you can see it in the background as he's walking along the beach. Also, Debbie Gibson shot her Only in my Dreams video on our beach, and Skid Row did one in the rotting Casino. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Ho hum ho hum. Part of a Golden Globe flick partially filmed in AP. Stills on Fox movie site with some stills of Rourke etc walking the BW and sitting on CH. There are some little things that you can capitalize on on - even if for a brief moment in time. Take the cheap and free pr and run with it, no? Asbury Park mayor is proud to have this film Asbury Park and it's unique Convention Hall and boardwalk used once again for scenes in... Or should it be asbury park's once grand casino and carousel house used as section of abandoned casino building in Grand Theft Auto series.. eeny meeny... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
The city blew it again. Yesterday a major exhibit was announced for the R n R Hall of Fame... a Bruce exhibit. Of course AP will be a part of that exhibit. And here we are with our most well known and recognizable export, with nothing. And what do we get? A boardwalk with mostly failing high end retail, acres of empty parking lots, and the ugly piece of crap C8 part 2 destined to mar the landscape for an indefinite time. I guess that's what we get when we allow a company who focuses on malls and retails to guide our destiny. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
Valid points, all of them, but the fact is that Bruce Springsteen and Asbury Park will be forever linked for so many reasons. I see people taking their photos all the time in front of the Stone Pony, and I tend to think that the only reason they do so is because of it's connection to Bruce. I've told this story before, but a few years ago I was working at the German MTV music video awards in Hannover Germany. I was wandering around the location, which was the Worlds Fair where it was being shot, and proudly wearing my Vaccarro Guitars shirt which features the name Asbury Park, NJ I can't tell you how many people stopped me to ask about the shirt, and 2 really nice women actually offered to buy the shirt right off my back. They kept asking if I knew Bruce and all sorts of related questions. And this happened to me many times. Many of us in AP have said for years that AP is completely ignoring the concept of music tourism as it relates to Bruce and the rich musical heritage that pretty much put the city on the world map for many people. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpipe...@... wrote: Your points in the second half of your post are valid, but I'm not sure I see a connection between those points and the city blowing anything in the context of the Hall of Fame exhibit. If you look at the Hall's Web site, there is no announcement. And the Associated Press article was noticeably short and devoid of detail. Rock Hall officials today couldn't disclose any specifics about what the exhibit will include, except to say it's a work in progress. So all anyone knows for sure is that there will be an exhibit, and it is tentatively titled ''From Asbury Park to the Promised Land: The Life and Music of Bruce Springsteen'' Since the arc of both his life and music began not in Asbury Park, but rather Freehold (and, to a lesser extent, Middletown and Sea Bright) it seems like based on the title alone the city has already come out ahead of the game - at least in terms of PR. If I were a resident of Freehold, however, I think I'd be a little miffed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: The city blew it again. Yesterday a major exhibit was announced for the R n R Hall of Fame... a Bruce exhibit. Of course AP will be a part of that exhibit. And here we are with our most well known and recognizable export, with nothing. And what do we get? A boardwalk with mostly failing high end retail, acres of empty parking lots, and the ugly piece of crap C8 part 2 destined to mar the landscape for an indefinite time. I guess that's what we get when we allow a company who focuses on malls and retails to guide our destiny. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
Valid points, all of them, but the fact is that Bruce Springsteen and Asbury Park will be forever linked for so many reasons. I see people taking their photos all the time in front of the Stone Pony, and I tend to think that the only reason they do so is because of it's connection to Bruce. I've told this story before, but a few years ago I was working at the German MTV music video awards in Hannover Germany. I was wandering around the location, which was the Worlds Fair where it was being shot, and proudly wearing my Vaccarro Guitars shirt which features the name Asbury Park, NJ I can't tell you how many people stopped me to ask about the shirt, and 2 really nice women actually offered to buy the shirt right off my back. They kept asking if I knew Bruce and all sorts of related questions. And this happened to me many times. Many of us in AP have said for years that AP is completely ignoring the concept of music tourism as it relates to Bruce and the rich musical heritage that pretty much put the city on the world map for many people. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpipe...@... wrote: Your points in the second half of your post are valid, but I'm not sure I see a connection between those points and the city blowing anything in the context of the Hall of Fame exhibit. If you look at the Hall's Web site, there is no announcement. And the Associated Press article was noticeably short and devoid of detail. Rock Hall officials today couldn't disclose any specifics about what the exhibit will include, except to say it's a work in progress. So all anyone knows for sure is that there will be an exhibit, and it is tentatively titled ''From Asbury Park to the Promised Land: The Life and Music of Bruce Springsteen'' Since the arc of both his life and music began not in Asbury Park, but rather Freehold (and, to a lesser extent, Middletown and Sea Bright) it seems like based on the title alone the city has already come out ahead of the game - at least in terms of PR. If I were a resident of Freehold, however, I think I'd be a little miffed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: The city blew it again. Yesterday a major exhibit was announced for the R n R Hall of Fame... a Bruce exhibit. Of course AP will be a part of that exhibit. And here we are with our most well known and recognizable export, with nothing. And what do we get? A boardwalk with mostly failing high end retail, acres of empty parking lots, and the ugly piece of crap C8 part 2 destined to mar the landscape for an indefinite time. I guess that's what we get when we allow a company who focuses on malls and retails to guide our destiny. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
Yes, I am saying exactly what you said in your second paragraph. To me, the fact is that a Bruce exhibit should've been a part of our redevelopment. Not only Bruce, but the many bands and musicians who've shaped our musical legacy, such as Arthur Pryor. There was a time when Asbury Park as a place to go for music was way on the map in our culture. It was even mentioned in The Honeymooners Once Bruce, Bon Jovi and Southside John came along, it only added more legend to the story. But, the city has all but forgotten about it. What's lost to me as that we didn't even take a stab at establishing anything related to our music heritage. I often mention Austin TX as a nice role model for AP. Music is Austins life, and with it they have a film industry. a world class music festival in South by South West, a whole district that's one club after another...and on and on. We could, and should have that. We have a dedicated core of new musicians here, but we only have a disjointed and tiny group of clubs for them to work in, and to attact big names to. We simply aren't connecting our musical music scene with our musical past. And it's not just about the S.O.A.P or current rock that comes from here. We're ignoring the west side, and that should be celebrated and encouraged too. AP could and should be like Memphis, Nashville and Austin all rolled into one. But instead, we have a few venues, acres of mostly empty parking, and a complete lack of a cohesive and walkable music scene that could sustain itself. I wish I had tons of money, because I'm sure the vision I share with so many others could be created in AP, and it would breath life into what we currently have. The Stone Pony won't do this by itself, nor will the other venues. But, if the whole oceanfront area and surrounding blocks were made into a wide variety of upscale, downscale and unique performance venues, coupled with a museum about our history, and some dining thrown inwe'd have something special, and successful. Entertainment is fairly recession proof... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpipe...@... wrote: Well, I don't wish to belabor the point, but while I think everyone can agree with what your saying here, I still don't see how the city blew anything vis a vis the Hall of Fame. When you used the adverb again after blew it, that sounded like there was an opportunity the city had regarding this particular exhibit, and that they lost that opportunity through inaction. Or is it more that this exhibit simply reminds you that the city has dropped the ball on cultural tourism continually over the course of many years? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Valid points, all of them, but the fact is that Bruce Springsteen and Asbury Park will be forever linked for so many reasons. I see people taking their photos all the time in front of the Stone Pony, and I tend to think that the only reason they do so is because of it's connection to Bruce. I've told this story before, but a few years ago I was working at the German MTV music video awards in Hannover Germany. I was wandering around the location, which was the Worlds Fair where it was being shot, and proudly wearing my Vaccarro Guitars shirt which features the name Asbury Park, NJ I can't tell you how many people stopped me to ask about the shirt, and 2 really nice women actually offered to buy the shirt right off my back. They kept asking if I knew Bruce and all sorts of related questions. And this happened to me many times. Many of us in AP have said for years that AP is completely ignoring the concept of music tourism as it relates to Bruce and the rich musical heritage that pretty much put the city on the world map for many people. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: Your points in the second half of your post are valid, but I'm not sure I see a connection between those points and the city blowing anything in the context of the Hall of Fame exhibit. If you look at the Hall's Web site, there is no announcement. And the Associated Press article was noticeably short and devoid of detail. Rock Hall officials today couldn't disclose any specifics about what the exhibit will include, except to say it's a work in progress. So all anyone knows for sure is that there will be an exhibit, and it is tentatively titled ''From Asbury Park to the Promised Land: The Life and Music of Bruce Springsteen'' Since the arc of both his life and music began not in Asbury Park, but rather Freehold (and, to a lesser extent, Middletown and Sea Bright) it seems like based on the title alone the city has already come out ahead of the game - at least in terms of PR. If I were a resident of Freehold, however, I think I'd be a little miffed
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
Yes, I am saying exactly what you said in your second paragraph. To me, the fact is that a Bruce exhibit should've been a part of our redevelopment. Not only Bruce, but the many bands and musicians who've shaped our musical legacy, such as Arthur Pryor. There was a time when Asbury Park as a place to go for music was way on the map in our culture. It was even mentioned in The Honeymooners Once Bruce, Bon Jovi and Southside John came along, it only added more legend to the story. But, the city has all but forgotten about it. What's lost to me as that we didn't even take a stab at establishing anything related to our music heritage. I often mention Austin TX as a nice role model for AP. Music is Austins life, and with it they have a film industry. a world class music festival in South by South West, a whole district that's one club after another...and on and on. We could, and should have that. We have a dedicated core of new musicians here, but we only have a disjointed and tiny group of clubs for them to work in, and to attact big names to. We simply aren't connecting our musical music scene with our musical past. And it's not just about the S.O.A.P or current rock that comes from here. We're ignoring the west side, and that should be celebrated and encouraged too. AP could and should be like Memphis, Nashville and Austin all rolled into one. But instead, we have a few venues, acres of mostly empty parking, and a complete lack of a cohesive and walkable music scene that could sustain itself. I wish I had tons of money, because I'm sure the vision I share with so many others could be created in AP, and it would breath life into what we currently have. The Stone Pony won't do this by itself, nor will the other venues. But, if the whole oceanfront area and surrounding blocks were made into a wide variety of upscale, downscale and unique performance venues, coupled with a museum about our history, and some dining thrown inwe'd have something special, and successful. Entertainment is fairly recession proof... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpipe...@... wrote: Well, I don't wish to belabor the point, but while I think everyone can agree with what your saying here, I still don't see how the city blew anything vis a vis the Hall of Fame. When you used the adverb again after blew it, that sounded like there was an opportunity the city had regarding this particular exhibit, and that they lost that opportunity through inaction. Or is it more that this exhibit simply reminds you that the city has dropped the ball on cultural tourism continually over the course of many years? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Valid points, all of them, but the fact is that Bruce Springsteen and Asbury Park will be forever linked for so many reasons. I see people taking their photos all the time in front of the Stone Pony, and I tend to think that the only reason they do so is because of it's connection to Bruce. I've told this story before, but a few years ago I was working at the German MTV music video awards in Hannover Germany. I was wandering around the location, which was the Worlds Fair where it was being shot, and proudly wearing my Vaccarro Guitars shirt which features the name Asbury Park, NJ I can't tell you how many people stopped me to ask about the shirt, and 2 really nice women actually offered to buy the shirt right off my back. They kept asking if I knew Bruce and all sorts of related questions. And this happened to me many times. Many of us in AP have said for years that AP is completely ignoring the concept of music tourism as it relates to Bruce and the rich musical heritage that pretty much put the city on the world map for many people. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: Your points in the second half of your post are valid, but I'm not sure I see a connection between those points and the city blowing anything in the context of the Hall of Fame exhibit. If you look at the Hall's Web site, there is no announcement. And the Associated Press article was noticeably short and devoid of detail. Rock Hall officials today couldn't disclose any specifics about what the exhibit will include, except to say it's a work in progress. So all anyone knows for sure is that there will be an exhibit, and it is tentatively titled ''From Asbury Park to the Promised Land: The Life and Music of Bruce Springsteen'' Since the arc of both his life and music began not in Asbury Park, but rather Freehold (and, to a lesser extent, Middletown and Sea Bright) it seems like based on the title alone the city has already come out ahead of the game - at least in terms of PR. If I were a resident of Freehold, however, I think I'd be a little miffed
[AsburyPark] Why was a dumpster buried at the Met hotel site?
This morning, I was told by 2 reliable friends that the dumpster that was sitting in front of the Met hotel was recently buried on the site. What's in the dumpster? Why was it buried? They believe that some kind of toxic waste was buried along with it. Can somebody direct me who to report this to? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why was a dumpster buried at the Met hotel site?
Do you still need the contact information you requested? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisem...@... wrote: Our solid wast enforcement team will handle this. Thanks for the info. From: Jack Pitzer hing...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:11:33 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Why was a dumpster buried at the Met hotel site? This morning, I was told by 2 reliable friends that the dumpster that was sitting in front of the Met hotel was recently buried on the site. What's in the dumpster? Why was it buried? They believe that some kind of toxic waste was buried along with it. Can somebody direct me who to report this to? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why was a dumpster buried at the Met hotel site?
Is there any possibility that burying a dumpster at the site was somehow approved? The 2 gentlemen that alerted it to me this morning are completely credible. They live right next door in the tower, and both said they saw it happen. I was wondering the same thing when i saw that the dumpster was missing. If this was something illegal, how could it happen without being noticed by anybody from the city? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- NJ DEP Department of enviromental protection http://www.state.nj.us/dep/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Can Metro Homes be fined?
So, if in fact they can be fined, why aren't they? Wasn't there talk a while back about them wrapping the site in something? Currently, it looks like crap. When is this city going to grow some balls and start coming down on the bigger players rather then going after people that obviously love the city such as Werner? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Can Metro Homes be fined for leaving us an eyesore, even if it's considered temporary? It's been sitting there for a year, and despite improvements around it, it still makes the whole area look like crap, and they aren't maintaining the site at all. Same thing goes for the remains of the Met Hotel. What's left is falling apart and it's also an eyesore. Can't the city fine both of these properties? === Fined ?? How about Jailed ?? Sure they could be. Not likely, since that requires attending public meetings and participating in the civic process in addition to needing repairs. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Can Metro Homes be fined?
Oh lighten up. There is a major difference. Werner's property is in no means the eyesore that the Metro property is. And the Metro property is a wart on the redevelopment. It looks like shit and brings the whole area down. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, maubddny filecabinet...@... wrote: If you are forced to live next to an eyesore, it wouldn't make a difference to you if the perpetrator was a big fish or your beloved Werner. Both should punished to the fullest extent of the law and fined repeatedly until the situation is rectified. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: So, if in fact they can be fined, why aren't they? Wasn't there talk a while back about them wrapping the site in something? Currently, it looks like crap. When is this city going to grow some balls and start coming down on the bigger players rather then going after people that obviously love the city such as Werner? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Can Metro Homes be fined for leaving us an eyesore, even if it's considered temporary? It's been sitting there for a year, and despite improvements around it, it still makes the whole area look like crap, and they aren't maintaining the site at all. Same thing goes for the remains of the Met Hotel. What's left is falling apart and it's also an eyesore. Can't the city fine both of these properties? === Fined ?? How about Jailed ?? Sure they could be. Not likely, since that requires attending public meetings and participating in the civic process in addition to needing repairs. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Can Metro Homes be fined?
Can Metro Homes be fined for leaving us an eyesore, even if it's considered temporary? It's been sitting there for a year, and despite improvements around it, it still makes the whole area look like crap, and they aren't maintaining the site at all. Same thing goes for the remains of the Met Hotel. What's left is falling apart and it's also an eyesore. Can't the city fine both of these properties? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: speaking of gayness...
Metro Makeover --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Maybe we need the speedo straight challenge. You have to be over 35 and married. I see a tv show here. Get your picture taken now in your speedo. July 4, you get on stage on the beach - best improved - wins drinks at paradise A mix of The Biggest Loser and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy AP style. Very interesting. Finals are at RT not July 4. Think of a catchy name. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Find a New Business Plan before You Vanish
Amazingly, vinyl records sales are up more then 80% this years. Why? Nostalgia factor, plus new generations are discovering that it's nice to hold an album in your hands, and cover art is being rediscovered. Plus, vinyl is now cheaper. I think it's time for me to get a new record player. I miss vinyl. It still sounds better then CDs. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: An overview of the newspaper vs. the web issue recently discussed here from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School for Business. parts must be dated because this comment isn't true any longer... Pay satellite radio has flourished despite the availability of free AM and FM radio and the ubiquity of iPods. I once had a brief assignment for someone looking at Sat radio. I never did get it, other then if you're a sports fan or really needed to listen to howard or that stuff. Our first record player was from sears. * track from two guys. My cassette recorder from bradlees reel to reel from the hadassah thrift shop...as was the am/fm radio. Cd player fromanother place that went BK.. The speakers in my room were from a bunch of old radios, masking tape to the walls tied into an earphone jack..never purchased a record, cassette...maybe a few cds for my kids and wife. WJLK was am and fm. I got XM for my wife when it came out casue it was portable...She said sirrius was better. And now. I canned the cable box in the bedroom. Sat radio NOW is given away free with one or two years paid in new cars...on units that can hold a ton of donwloaded music or music from your cds or ipods. And play AM/FM. SO I listened to Outlaw country radio this morning on the way in. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A black eye
Just letting people pay for parking when it's free is complete BS. Werner, don't you get the point that one of the issues that AP is constantly dealing with is decades of bad PR about the city? So, you get people coming here for a concert or dinner, they mistakenly pay to park, and when they find out it was actually free, they will then complain to their friends about the ridiculous parking situation in our city. Bottom line, city is once again dropping the ball by not properly informing the public. Letting people pay is ripping them off. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Telling people not to feed the meters certainly doesn't help, just let them do it. Werner I normally don't say a word. But it wasn't working. I even TRIED to HELP him put the money in. I didn't feel that generous do spend $1 on the credit card. It was beeping away. Let me know where to send the $1 to. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A black eye
Yes, the city needs every dime it can find. But taking those dimes at the risk of perpetuating our bad reputation isn't worth it in my opinion. Either parking is free, or it isn't, and it's the cities responsibility to publicize it, and it's done a horrible job doing so. I'm sorry, but there's no defense for taking peoples money when they are unaware that parking is free. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Just letting people pay for parking when it's free is complete BS. Werner, don't you get the point that one of the issues that AP is constantly dealing with is decades of bad PR about the city? So, you get people coming here for a concert or dinner, they mistakenly pay to park, and when they find out it was actually free, they will then complain to their friends about the ridiculous parking situation in our city. Bottom line, city is once again dropping the ball by not properly informing the public. Letting people pay is ripping them off. = WADR - Don't you get that the City needs every dime it can find? Should the city refund all the parking fees it collected for decades from the old mechanical meters that were not in official operation ? There has been free parking since the 80s yet people bought peace of mind by putting a quarter in the slot. The City was happy to collect 100s of thousands in revenue during that time. There has been much discussion about a 50 cent an hour fee not being a big deal when a night out can cost $50 +++. Complaints should be directed to our policy makers. The initial proposal was to suspend enforcement so as not to aggravate people with summonses and fines. Nw that was a good idea until the bugs were worked out. Somehow that morphed into Lets Advertise Free Parking. Implementation of which has been ridiculous as you noted. That much we can agree on. However, let visitors buy some peace of mind for 50 cents. I stress again that people need to shift their thinking to what is in the best interests of the City given there is a deficit of $13+ Million in spite of almost 10 years of (cough, cough) Redevelopment. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A black eye
Exactly! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Yes, the city needs every dime it can find. But taking those dimes at the risk of perpetuating our bad reputation isn't worth it in my opinion. Either parking is free, or it isn't, and it's the cities responsibility to publicize it, and it's done a horrible job doing so. I'm sorry, but there's no defense for taking peoples money when they are unaware that parking is free. == Speaking to the point of how the City could have properly and easily made the policy of Free Parking clear... Make fabric bags that completely cover the pay stations, Clearly printed on both sides - Free Parking - Thanks for Visiting. Simple, clear, reusable - The machine is inaccessible, cant pay even if you want to. and we say Thank You too. Incredible that a paid staff of professionals could not figure that out. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A black eye
Because the city announced that parking is currently free. The city also has completely dropped the ball on public awareness of this issue. No signs and little PR. Why should people mistakenly pay for something that is supposed to be free at the moment? Just taking their money because people make the mistake of paying is really shady. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Some guy was putting money in the meter...it kept on beeping at him. Told him don't bother it's free. How much has been collected in the off season. Need glow in the dark numbers. = Why would you discourage someone from adding revenue to the City's budget?? Telling people not to feed the meters certainly doesn't help, just let them do it. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Happy New Year 2009
To all my AP friends, Happy New Year, 2009! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Humbug to You!
It's one thing to defend something you believe in. What you are doing is something entirely different. You judge and attack people. And whenever possible, you attacks include proclaiming that it's all liberals fault and blah blah blah. What you lack is the ability to be objective, and you also refuse to admit that there's something wrong with America. Guess what? This country is a mess right now, and it doesn't look like it's going to become any better anytime soon, if ever. I thought of a metaphor this morning that makes me think of you. In a way, I think the way people drive on the GSP and NJ Turnpike is a little glimpse into what conservatives have done to America. What do I mean? Well, conservatives don't want people to be governed. They want America to be a free for all, where people govern themselves. And on NJ highways, we currently have practically no enforcement of speed limits, and people drive like crap. They tailgate. They are angry. They act entitled, as if going 90 mph is their right. This morning, I briefly went into the left lane, going 80, to get around a text messaging person that was a menace on the road. And what happens next? Some old guy in an SUV comes up behind me going probably 90 mph and starts tailgating. He wants me out of his way, despite the fact that there isn't an opening for a few more cars. He gives me the finger. He does everything except run me off the road. Finally, I get into the right lane and this guy floors it past me, and gives me a look that basically said I want to beat the shit out of you and away he went. He had a W bumper sticker. I guess he was also upset about my Obama sticker. So what do I mean by all this? Here in NJ, our roadways are a mess with out of control drivers who think they are entitled to their shitty, selfish driving. And here in America, our country is a mess because for the past 8 years, our president has been asleep at the wheel, and our citizens are becoming more and more selfish, self centered and disconnected with the meaning of being part of a once great country. We need government to keep us in line, because just like our out of control highways, unless there's somebody out there to keep us under control, we'll make a mess out of everything, because we'll take advantage of the system. Now the mess that America has become is dragging the rest of the world down with it. And behind the scenes, we have people like you...more interested in your own agenda then the bigger picture. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2...@... wrote: Well when ever you put the country down you will hear from me. You are describing yourself. You still haven't told me who it is that is holdin you down. I already know it yourself. If you don't get an education it is no ones fault but your own and the parents of dropouts. You don't understand what keeping your eyes on the prize even means. From: sharon_b283 sharon_b...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:01:34 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Humbug to You! Mario, I will now go back to ignoring as if he doesn't exist, this resident troll, who manages to get me off course, as far as Asbury Park, it's comeback or demise, to take even 2 seconds to reply to such bigoted rantings! To the rest of the group, I humbly apologize for having become the subject of an apparent wannabe Klansman/separatist /bigoted/ segregationists/ skinhead, that make all citizens Black/White or other, practice this stupidity and try to ruin our common goal and that is to address the redevelopment or not of this beloved City. --- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: Keeping your eyes on the prize means finishing high school. You were never a slave so get over it. Farrakhan is a segragationist and a terrific calypso dancer back in the day I might add. Save your slave speech I can't listen to that crap anymore. To me Liberal means FREE STUFF! _ _ __ From: sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ ... To: asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:45:40 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Humbug to You! Watch one episode of Eyes On the Prize, which PBS is re-airing and you'll know why riots happened! 450 years of slavery, coupled by segregation and Jim Crow, including the East Coast, you have the formula. Apparently, you never studied history! I guarantee you, that Mario knows a hell of a lot more than YOU do! If you consider yourself a Conservative, that's code speak for segregationists/ states rights advocate, which would perpetuate separate and unequal! I call myself a Liberal, capital L and proud of it! --- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: Mario I really don't care what the hell you have to say. You really have to get out
[AsburyPark] Suspended Asbury schools chief to get $169G
Suspended Asbury schools chief to get $169G BOE settles part of lawsuit superintendent filed when he was removed in 03 BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU DECEMBER 24, 2008 ASBURY PARK The Board of Education has approved a payment of $169,500 to suspended Schools Superintendent Antonio Lewis that represents the settlement of just a portion of a lawsuit Lewis filed against the board the first time he was removed from his post late in 2003. State education officials reinstated Lewis in June 2004, and he oversaw the district for two more years before a subsequent school board, with different people in power, again suspended him in September 2006. The board tried to buy Lewis out the second time he was removed for $600,000. But state education officials stopped the buyout, and the state Attorney General's Office began an investigation of Lewis' central office operations. No findings have been released, and Lewis has continued to be paid just under $188,000 a year. His contract, which he received after being reinstated, expires in June 2009. The board this fall started a search for a new superintendent. Board Attorney Alan Schnirman said Tuesday that part of Lewis' original lawsuit against the board is still in court, but the district settled certain portions early on. This was settled to protect the board's members and the board's interests because certain of the claims are not covered by board insurance, Schnirman said. The settlement amount was $150,000, and the $169,500 total approved to be paid last week reflects interest that accumulated when the payment was not immediately made, school board members said last week. It was not clear Tuesday why the payment was delayed, resulting in extra thousands going to Lewis. Schnirman said he was not sure why. A lawyer for an insurance carrier is handling the overall case, Schnirman said. The only members still on the board from the first time Lewis was suspended are Adrienne Sanders, who was his supporter, and Robert DiSanto, who voted to suspend him but later attempted to work with Lewis when he was reinstated in 2004. In Lewis' first suspension on Dec. 10, 2003, the board brought tenure charges against him, based in large part on a state education report critical of several areas in which the district was found to be still deficient. But by early April of 2004, a state administrative law judge said the charges that Lewis was not improving the district appeared to constitute inefficiency, not removal, and required that Lewis be given at least 90 days to address those issues. William Librera, the state education commissioner at that time, reinstated Lewis in June 2004. During that time, Superior Court Judge Lawrence M. Lawson also ruled the school board, under its then-president, Remond Palmer, had shown a blatant disregard for the Open Public Meetings Act during the process of attempting to get Lewis out. Once reinstated in 2004, Lewis and the board, under new president Di-Santo, attempted to work together, and Lewis got a new multiyear contract. Eventually, however, the working relationship broke down. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TriCityNews featured by the NYT for ignoring the Web
The best part of the TCN being 72 pages is that I hardly ever run out of paper to use for cleaning up dog poo. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorej...@... wrote: One day of world-wide attention, and only through the NYTimes and the internet. Otherwise, generally spent in obscurity with no web presence or clout of any kind. Most people would not describe the NYTimes as a failing paper. Hysterical? Whatever. On Dec 22, 2008, at 4:02 PM, justifiedright wrote: This is hysterical! New York Times, Gannett, etc. all failing, and the business model of the mighty triCityNews in AP is getting world-wide attention today as the place to go for how to make all work. Hysterical! How about some of the quotes? Double digit profitable. Dan is funnier than hell. Regarding the web: Why would I do something that would destroy my business? Or the Christmas party with 3.5 employees. Ha! The irony though is that he does seem to be way ahead of the curve here. Costs cut to the bone. Not taking risks - going with what works. The Wall Street guys and the auto companies should take note. triCityNews is about 75 pages now. That has to be the most pages of any paper published on a Thurday in the State (I'm guessing). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Congrats to TCN. Yes congrats, but YAWN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TriCityNews featured by the NYT for ignoring the Web
The best part of the TCN being 72 pages is that I hardly ever run out of paper to use for cleaning up dog poo. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorej...@... wrote: One day of world-wide attention, and only through the NYTimes and the internet. Otherwise, generally spent in obscurity with no web presence or clout of any kind. Most people would not describe the NYTimes as a failing paper. Hysterical? Whatever. On Dec 22, 2008, at 4:02 PM, justifiedright wrote: This is hysterical! New York Times, Gannett, etc. all failing, and the business model of the mighty triCityNews in AP is getting world-wide attention today as the place to go for how to make all work. Hysterical! How about some of the quotes? Double digit profitable. Dan is funnier than hell. Regarding the web: Why would I do something that would destroy my business? Or the Christmas party with 3.5 employees. Ha! The irony though is that he does seem to be way ahead of the curve here. Costs cut to the bone. Not taking risks - going with what works. The Wall Street guys and the auto companies should take note. triCityNews is about 75 pages now. That has to be the most pages of any paper published on a Thurday in the State (I'm guessing). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Congrats to TCN. Yes congrats, but YAWN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AC - Asbury Park Parallels
I don't get it. While I agree with you on certain things, why is it important to you to attack people? What's in it for you? If you are so concerned, then why not move here and try and make a difference? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeet...@... wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? You chew me out for not being local yet I seem to care more about whats going on than you do. I dont drive a mercedes BTW. Were you just blowing smoke when you asked about the budget, not a peep since the information was posted. How about it? Some questions about why a 7 year redevelopment has put the city 13 million in hock? Instead of rambling about... well I cant really figure out what you ramble about. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't this a symptom of a cultures reliance on a consumer mentality? America is all about money. google commodity fetishism. read guy debord's society of the spectacle, you can read it online. i don't know what it means to be a marxist, i enjoy my ipod touch, my poison free cleaning products and organic lotions, but he knew what was coming. people think anything can be bought. women turn themselves into products all the time. and think their products make them. a few years ago my then young beauty of a dog was leaning out the window of my car. an man in a mercedes pulled up. how much for her? i explained she wasn't for sale. aw come on, everybody's got a price. clearly the woman in the passenger seat did. what's real is rising. you gotta remember we live in a county of staggering wealth. as long as people have their hundred grand coming in, they aren't gonna question anything. we aren't exactly swimming in a community pool of extraordinary thinking. pretty mainstream TV thinking going on here. work, spawn, consume and compare is pretty much the extent of most peoples' existence. as for the internet instead of sex...and if it was the same poll I saw it was the women opting out...maybe they are watching youporn. or more likely they are in a relationship, the intention of which was not to have a lover, it was to be a couple in a couple obsessed culture, not to connect the masculine and feminine in a fun and delicious way. we're still too repressed to have that as an intent. there are some thinkers that connect sexual repression/shame with fascism. late capitalism. we can move to conscious capitalism. just a choice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AC - Asbury Park Parallels
Isn't this a symptom of a cultures reliance on a consumer mentality? America is all about money. We worship it more then we worship our own history. It also may be the case that American's care less about historic buildings then they used to because our entertainment choices are moving more toward passive stay at home thing. Our youth is happier online then in the real world. I saw results from a poll yesterday that showed about half of us would rather give up sex then the internet. I recently got the current issue of Weird NJ and there was a depressing article about the current fate of Waterloo Village, which is very similar to Allaire State Park. It's currently rotting away and abandoned since last year, because of NJ budget cuts. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: Demolition of cultural and historic sites in the name of Redevelopment. 2008 NJ Endangered Historic Site: http://tinyurl.com/6ywp8n To be demolished: http://tinyurl.com/5z79l3 Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: When you steal, make it big, real big.
Much respect to you for this post. Well said... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburyche...@... wrote: Hi Werner, That's because the big boys who steal billions from innocent people or who betray their country by revealing CIA undercover agents have the best lawyers or the worst President money can buy. Look at the lawyers you've had. Might as well throw ourselves under a bus, rather than have those losers do it to us. There's one law for the big boys and one law for the rest of us. So much for blind justice in the home of the free and the land of the brave. Frank D'Alessandro --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: $50 BILLION. An ankle bracelet and a curfew. = A cracked driveway... 9 months incarceration and a $2.000 fine. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Design Explained
It's hard to convince people that something has been poorly designed in the case of our boardwalk. It was such as mess, for so long, that even bad design is better then what we had before. Does that justify what we now have? Good question, but it is what it is, and unless we want our boardwalk to be a perpetual construction site, we have to learn to live with it. We honestly can't expect a redesign to occur at this point. And, I'm beginning to wonder if anybody in this cities administration is going to take MM to task about their elimination of the band shell. What a huge waste in my opinion. As a person that both attended and performed in performances up there, I can honestly say it was a great place to enjoy music, and it's a huge loss in my opinion. As for the bad design, well, to me, MM made a huge mistake in their choice of designer, and a huge mistake by not attempting to create a more vintage, unique look that played off of the height of AP's popularity. As it stands now, the boardwalk has little or no personality looks wise. It's generic and pedestrian. Not memorable. But, I believe we are stuck with it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: well one pouring night in the summer we left the Supper club and had to get back to the car parked on 4th ave. No umbrella. I tried giving the keys to my wife to get the car. Didn't work. Where's the valet They do it very well in Long Branch @ Mcloone's and Serena.. and people use it at $10+ per or you can park in the pay garage once all the free spots are filled. I'm not a people. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Boardwalk observation - Why are the remains of Halloween maze still there
I'm trying not to complain, but why would MM leave the remains of the hay maze, and it's signs still sitting there? The signs are all ripped up and laying all over the place. The maze is partially taken apart, but Halloween was weeks ago. With the concept of trying to make the boardwalk a year round retail and dining destination, does it really have to look like a perpetual construction site, with the remains of an attraction falling apart for all to see? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Library calls cops over Springsteen collection
Library calls cops over Springsteen collection BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU DECEMBER 11, 2008 Read Comments(1) Recommend Print this pageE-mail this articleShare ASBURY PARK The Asbury Park Public Library has asked police to help get back about $30,000 worth of Bruce Springsteen memorabilia that was removed in 2007 to be microfilmed in Pennsylvania. The library board of directors filed a complaint dated Dec. 9 charging theft of library materials and naming Bob Crane of Maryland, who led the Save the Palace and Save Tillie efforts, and Dan Toskaner of New York as the two people who picked up 1,334 items March 14, 2008, from the OCLC Preservation Resources microfilming facility in Bethlehem, Pa. The items never made it back to Asbury Park. Crane and Toskaner are members of the board of directors of the Friends of the Bruce Springsteen Special Collection, a nonprofit organization formed in 2004 to support and promote the collection housed at the historic city library since 2001, according to the complaint. It was in their status as members of the Springsteen board that Crane and Toskaner were allowed to take the materials to be microfilmed in September 2007. The memorabilia, which included worldwide magazine articles, books, tour programs and high school yearbook photos, evidently are mired in a dispute over ownership. According to the complaint that police are investigating, the materials were to be returned immediately. The library sent letters in March, April, May, August and October and an ultimatum in November. In May, 208 items were returned, though about 1,120 were still missing, library officials said. The value of individual items taken varies widely, but it is our very conservative estimate that the value of the stolen property is $29,520, the complaint states. By late Wednesday afternoon, it appeared the library board's decision to go to the police might have helped instigate a resolution. The documents will be returned before the end of the week, Crane said in a telephone interview. Toskaner could not be reached for comment. The board of trustees just wants to protect themselves legally, library Director Robert Stewart said in a telephone interview Wednesday. At the time they took these items to be microfilmed, the library board was the custodian for the collection. It was under our care and management. We told them (Crane and Toskaner) if they want to discuss the future of this being relocated somewhere else, just first bring the stuff back, Stewart said. Stewart and Crane were in agreement Wednesday that the original 744 documents that Crane turned over to the library in 2001 when the collection began were indeed a gift. Crane took a tax deduction on them. Crane said Wednesday that the collection held 6,500 documents in all, and contended that only the original 744 were gifted. We're saying the stuff in the library, we own, Stewart said. There's a dispute. According to the complaint, a grant from the New Jersey Historical Commission paid for the materials to be microfilmed. This is so ridiculous, Crane said. What this is an extension of is an ongoing attempt to make sure to resolve ownership of part of the collection and to make sure that the environmental condition in which the collection is held meets proper environmental standards. Until some of those issues are resolved, we were holding on to some of those materials that were never gifted to the library, Crane said. They belong to members of the Friends and people who donated through us to the collection. That's what we've been trying to resolve, Crane said. Instead of meeting with us and sitting down with us, they went to the police. The two sides have tried to resolve the issue over the past year but were unsuccessful. The library board insisted that the materials be returned before more talks take place. They knew what this place was like when they insisted it be set up here, Stewart said. I don't know if they have some other place in mind. Of course we're not going to drop the charges until everything is back and we make sure it's the original stuff, he said. It probably will take us weeks to check out 1,300 documents. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: tommy is on now
Interesting that it says Don't taze me bro in the background. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?chanId=3 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: tommy is on now
Interesting that it says Don't taze me bro in the background. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?chanId=3 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: tommy is on now
I only heard him say one thing. I think he's having a hard time getting a word in because there's too many panelists and they appear to have more experience with this kind of thing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: I see that. Cat has Tommy's tongue. maybe heather has him lured in I finally hooked up the speakers under my desk. didn't want them on as not to waste more time... or maybe he has vodka in that bottle. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: tommy is on now
I think you did fine, and with that many people on a panel, you just have to be more assertive. Plus, it's a lot of pressure to do one of those things live. Congrats. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedri...@... wrote: Hey guys thanks so much for watching that means alot to me. Jack's right I felt a little cat has his tongue for a while. I was trying to walk the line between contributing and not trying to look too eager or like a hog since I was the newbie. Seems the show is based on breaking news - Heather would go there then come back to us. She sort of picks someone to go to first and then you have to pick a spot to jump in. When I did start getting into it with Cohen, Heather said let's move to another topic. I wasn't sure if that was a signal that she didn't want me going all Asbury Park Yahoo Group Crazy Argument or if she really needed to go to another topic. Still learning. Dan I wish you had texted me some lines. My wife texted me in the middle and said Sit up, stop touching your face and get rid of the water bottle. Must have done OK though because they booked me again for Monday at 9:00 am. Heather asked me if I would come back next week to do another spot on her show. I drove in. After the show it took me 45 minutes of walking around to remember where I parked. Lots of tall buildings in NYC and every street looks the same to me. I ended up at the wrong parking lot. That guy had mercy on me and gave me directions to my lot. Destroyed my shoes in the rain with the extra walking. I'm a beach boy. Don't get that big city life. Unless I know where the Ocean is I'm lost. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Lights are back on!
Ha! I should've had a party. It was such a surreal experience last night, with helicopters overhead, and the occasional silent convoy of PD cars moving thru the city. The thing that really struck me last night was how quiet the world was, and how dark a night really can be. Honestly, I loved it. No distracting TV. No computer. Just my dog, cat and me hanging out. I played guitar for them. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am never there when it is exciting... or am I? Jack had a Black Out Party! Well, I am taking creative liberties there. Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ wrote: From 6:15 PM until 9:45, AP and surrounding neighborhoods were without power. Thanks for calling Glenn! I had my shortwave radio tuned to New Jersey 101.5, keeping up with the reports, the whirl of helicopters flying overhead, squad cars screaming up and down the street, scaring the BeJesus out of everyone, etc. Anyway, it appears we're out of danger! Reports of a transformer blowing up in Neptune, is what did it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Lights are back on!
What interesting to me is that people at work today are talking about how nice it was to spend a night at home as an actual family, instead of staring blankly at the TV while the kids are in another room either on the internet or playing video games. One coworker said that her family decorated their Christmas tree by candlelight. That sounds nice. I'd vote for a dark few hours one night a week. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Ha! was, and how dark a night really can be. down it ft. lauderdale area, they had some lights completely covered over and others, just the ocean side blacked out. It bothers the nesting turtles certain times of the year... What if someone were to try covering or turning off/disconnecting every other of the new lights along ocean ave as an experiement - to see how much light is actaully needed. Never know. My son suggested last night that the lights be turned off everywhere for two hours/night. Save energy. Then again, there's solar. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Lights are back on!
Random comment from the story on the APP website: Although we were in the dark for a couple of hours, it was nice to have this time to sit with family members and be able to talk without the phone, computer, and t.v. interruptions. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/10/2008 9:34:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ha! I should've had a party. It was such a surreal experience last night, with helicopters overhead, and the occasional silent convoy of PD cars moving thru the city. The thing that really struck me last night was how quiet the world was, and how dark a night really can be. Honestly, I loved it. No distracting TV. No computer. Just my dog, cat and me hanging out. I played guitar for them. = Cats were definitely cool. Neighbors too. Citizen traffic handlers at Sunset and Wickapecko need to review their hand signals. Confused the hell out of most drivers. Scrambled here to find alternate lighting. So-called high tech battery lanterns phizzled out. Kerosene lantern was missing a wick. Best lighting from batteried L.E.D intended for kitched cabinets, but never installed, so they were great portables. Cheapest palm-sized battery radio worked fine. Needed that to counter scary rumors floating around. Never installed the back up batteries on all the other electronic clocks and phones, so they're blinking away now. But TV STB auto booted itself within 15 minutes. I went from must be my Christmas lights overloading grid. lol to terrorist attack paranoia. Good grief! Nice to get phone calls from neighbors checking in. Time to re-evaluate my emergency preparedness. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.ao l.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new story about 1967
My favorite part: Memories keep it magic. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on asburyboardwalk.com - a warm and fuzzy... http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/mail/mail47.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'll Be On Fox Tomorrow
Believe it or not, I actually do wish you good luck. Just make sure you don't sweat too much because that can look bad on camera --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not on the TV but their streaming Internet Show called the Strategy Room. When you go to their website www.FoxNews.com I think you have to download a viewer first. Strategy Room runs all day with different hosts in 2 hour segments. I'll be on at 10:30 with host Heather Nauert and 3 other guests (one a Democrat Strategist) to talk about the politics of the day. Love my stuff or hate it I hope you wish me luck. I've only had a camera pointed at me one other time and I appled up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'll Be On Fox Tomorrow
Wear a Tillie pin. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to think of a way to work Asbury Park into the conversation. At least I can pull a Carol Burnett and tug my ear as a way of saying hello to you guys. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Love my stuff or hate it I hope you wish me luck. I've only had a camera pointed at me one other time and I appled up. we love you. Once the $$$ come in and you replace Oprah you owe us a few drinks. Time to update wikipedia with notable figures from asbury. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Justified Right spews venom toward Jim Keady
Posters note - please take notice of the ludicrous moment when JR calls JK A Bill Ayers wannabe. He also seems to refuse to acknowledge the good work that JK does in trying to prevent child labor over seas, and puts him down because he's trying to make a difference in the world. Finally, he refers to JK as A constant attention prostitute Seems to be a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. Amazing stuff To call Jim Keady liberal doesn't draw the picture. He's a leftist. And he just quit his elected position as Councilman in Asbury Park, 6 months shy of the end of his term. Despite his claims of undying commitment to the poor of Asbury Park during his campaign, Keady now says he is too busy for them. He runs a non-profit dedicated primarily to complaining about the Nike company, who he thinks are slave traders or something (see picture). His company Educating for Justice fights other windmills around the world too, but more troubling is that he travels the country where colleges allow him to give seminars to students about the evils of capitalism. A Bill Ayers wannabe. Even in a City that just voted 9 to 1 Democrat, Jim Keady is alarmingly left. I've been to speeches by him where audience members yelled Communist in response to his words. From the dais he would read excerpts from books by such notorious America-haters as Howard Zinn, while he tried to end long held Asbury Park traditions like the Columbus Day Landing. Bringing condescension to new lows, the thirty-something gen-Xer felt he needed to counsel every person he spoke to as if they needed it, often handing out reading lists to people to improve themselves when in fact the people he was speaking to were on a higher moral plane than him. A constant attention prostitute, he sought out media whenever possible and was noted for sandbagging fellow councilmembers with surprise grandiose pronouncements designed for no other purpose than to make himself look relevant. His gaffes in his short career were many. He got caught overstating the amount of gang members in Asbury Park by 12x the real number and met the wrath of the business community. He played the liberal victimology card and ended up with nothing but a bad beat on the hand. He got caught entering the High School without permission to play make believe Dr. Phil by counseling students, even though he isn't qualified to do so. He was taken to task by the President of the Board of Education for it. He was on the failed side of an effort to build in a residential community a Shelter run by a company notorious for housing child molesters. The Shelter would have been a few blocks from a grammar school. Keady always voted no on Eminent Domain issues as if he were righteous, but likely because he knew there were three votes for yes to pass the measures. That theory was proved true when he was asked to help write a plan to develop Springwood Avenue. He wrote the City's power of Eminent Domain into the plan. Here are a list of his accomplishments as City Councilman: 1. 2. 3. Good Riddance, Lefty. DLTDHYITAOTWO. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Justified Right spews venom toward Jim Keady
I posted it, because Jim always made the effort to reach out to us here. Most of us thanked him for his service to the city. When I read JR's rant, it just blew me away because of his use of personalization and outright character assassination. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really wish you hadn't reprinted this toilet mold of an opinion. On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Jack Pitzer wrote: Posters note - please take notice of the ludicrous moment when JR calls JK A Bill Ayers wannabe. He also seems to refuse to acknowledge the good work that JK does in trying to prevent child labor over seas, and puts him down because he's trying to make a difference in the world. Finally, he refers to JK as A constant attention prostitute Seems to be a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. Amazing stuff To call Jim Keady liberal doesn't draw the picture. He's a leftist. And he just quit his elected position as Councilman in Asbury Park, 6 months shy of the end of his term. Despite his claims of undying commitment to the poor of Asbury Park during his campaign, Keady now says he is too busy for them. He runs a non-profit dedicated primarily to complaining about the Nike company, who he thinks are slave traders or something (see picture). His company Educating for Justice fights other windmills around the world too, but more troubling is that he travels the country where colleges allow him to give seminars to students about the evils of capitalism. A Bill Ayers wannabe. Even in a City that just voted 9 to 1 Democrat, Jim Keady is alarmingly left. I've been to speeches by him where audience members yelled Communist in response to his words. From the dais he would read excerpts from books by such notorious America-haters as Howard Zinn, while he tried to end long held Asbury Park traditions like the Columbus Day Landing. Bringing condescension to new lows, the thirty-something gen-Xer felt he needed to counsel every person he spoke to as if they needed it, often handing out reading lists to people to improve themselves when in fact the people he was speaking to were on a higher moral plane than him. A constant attention prostitute, he sought out media whenever possible and was noted for sandbagging fellow councilmembers with surprise grandiose pronouncements designed for no other purpose than to make himself look relevant. His gaffes in his short career were many. He got caught overstating the amount of gang members in Asbury Park by 12x the real number and met the wrath of the business community. He played the liberal victimology card and ended up with nothing but a bad beat on the hand. He got caught entering the High School without permission to play make believe Dr. Phil by counseling students, even though he isn't qualified to do so. He was taken to task by the President of the Board of Education for it. He was on the failed side of an effort to build in a residential community a Shelter run by a company notorious for housing child molesters. The Shelter would have been a few blocks from a grammar school. Keady always voted no on Eminent Domain issues as if he were righteous, but likely because he knew there were three votes for yes to pass the measures. That theory was proved true when he was asked to help write a plan to develop Springwood Avenue. He wrote the City's power of Eminent Domain into the plan. Here are a list of his accomplishments as City Councilman: 1. 2. 3. Good Riddance, Lefty. DLTDHYITAOTWO. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Justified Right spews venom toward Jim Keady
You are a good man Jim Keady. Best wishes for the holidays and with all of your future pursuits. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, Thank you for your concern, I sincerely appreciate it. Given my line of work and the stands I have taken on social justice issues in the past (both in my professional life and on Council), Mr. DeSeno's ad hominem attack was not the first, nor will it likely be the last, levied against me. It is part of the job so to speak and I gain solace and strength from my belief in social justice warriors that have gone before me. As imperfect as I am (and believe me, there is no shortage of examples of my falls from grace), I try to follow the words and actions of my heroes - St. Ignatius, St. Francis, Archbishop Romero, Dorothy Day, Jesus of Nazareth. It was Jesus who said: But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you - Matthew 5:44 (NIV translation) I have never seen Mr. DeSeno as an enemy, it is he who has unfortunately chosen to take that posture regarding me. Perhaps in the future that will change, I guess time will tell. For the moment, I sincerely wish you a Merry Christmas Tommy. I pray that you and your family enjoy this Holyday season and that 2009 brings you all that you hope for. Peace, JWK Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
I'll say. What an ignorant way to start a post any of you white liberals... Insult people and make yourself look like an ass, simultaneously. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/5/2008 12:52:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not that any of you white liberals always blabbering about how much you love Asbury Park = A model of Christian charity, joy, kindness, self-restraint and peace-keeping. Keeping Christ in Christmas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
Wow, simply amazing. I guess all the money I've donated for uniforms doesn't count as support. And who are you to make a statement about what I'll be doing tomorrow night? You know what, just as I wanted to like and respect you again, you blew it. Now, you are just another asshole with twisted opinions. You blew it today, big time, and I doubt anybody here is going to read any of your crap with anything less then contempt and dislike. Good job. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're just making an excuse not to go support the Black kids tomorrow, Jack. You think about them while you suck on your drink at Market in the Middle tomorrow night. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'll say. What an ignorant way to start a post any of you white liberals... Insult people and make yourself look like an ass, simultaneously. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 12/5/2008 12:52:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedright@ writes: Not that any of you white liberals always blabbering about how much you love Asbury Park = A model of Christian charity, joy, kindness, self-restraint and peace-keeping. Keeping Christ in Christmas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
This is all a pretty good example of why the Republican party means virtually nothing in this country now. You spew the word liberal like it's a dirty word, and use it as an insult. In doing so, you just turn the attention on yourself, rather then those you chose to negatively judge. More good work. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario drive down DeWitt Avenue Saturday night and take note of the color of the faces. Then go Downtown and take note of the color of the faces. Asbury Park may have diversity but it sure as hell doesn't have integration. But you just tell yourself whatever you need to, so that you feel better about yourself. You libs are good at that. Segregation is the issue that's firing me up lately. Asbury Park is segregated worse than I've ever seen it. Monmouth County has segregationist policies and it shows. New Jersey may as well be in the antebellum south it's so segregated. So fuck off, latte sipping liberal in denial who dares question my moral authority. Go pretend all is well as you drive past Asbury's state sponsored segregated high school that you couldn't care less about. Go raise money to save Trees whales and polar bears like a 21st Century liberal should. I'll be at the game. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 12/5/2008 2:32:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedright@ writes: Just taking you all to taskI looked across the field I noticed not one white person showed up to support the kids. So if anyone laments that the surrounding suburbs for some reason don't know that Asbury Park is a place of such wonderful diversity, blame the white liberals that live there. = A model of logic and a reasonable conclusion. Not. Linking attendance at a game to an indictment of anyone's commitment to diversity is absurd. Those of us who live in Asbury Park don't need to prove anything. Especially about diversity: We live it. And after your smear campaign against one of our councilmen, lampooning his stance on social justice, you don't have the moral authority to take any of us to task. Take yourself to task; retract the malicious overstatements in your blog. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
FAIL --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference is Oak that I don't deny the conditions where I live, like the white liberals in Asbury who live as separately from Black people as anyone else while falsly claiming diversity. And, I'll be at the game and they won't. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: meanwhile you have a nice yard in un-african-american Howell. Underserved in apartments given the size of the community. When my daughter was a pop-Warner cheerleader, we went to the high school to watch ocean play AP... I bought more food from the kids using a little bbq - cause I felt I had to. The girls only had t-shirts for uniforms... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
Let's look on the bright side, he'll never be able to use his personalizing schtick again without us all laughing at him. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Mario drive down DeWitt Avenue Saturday night and take note of the color of the faces. Then go Downtown and take note of the color of the faces. Count the colors of the face on your block? Do you have a block or is it homesteads way out there? So fuck off, latte sipping liberal in denial who dares question my moral authority. Go pretend all is well as you drive past Asbury's state sponsored segregated high school that you couldn't care less about. Go raise money to save Trees whales and polar bears like a 21st Century liberal should. I'll be at the game. Run out of meds today? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
Oak - No need to defend or explain yourself. Let Tommy continue to make a complete ass out of himself. At the moment, he is clueless to the fact that his own words have made a fool of him, and that every single member of this group is now going to look down upon him for his ignorance. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The difference is Oak that I don't deny the conditions where I live, like the white liberals in Asbury who live as separately from Black people as anyone else while falsly claiming diversity. And I grew up in Colonial Terrace a part of Wanamassa. My next door neighbor - Tom Hamilton, an african american who had a business in AP and lived next to us as did the Mcclean's another african american family holding down the corner... Do wealthier african american families also have a choice and choose not to live in an predominantly african american neighborhood? Are there not african american doctors, lawyers, accountants, teachers - how many live in AP and where in AP?? Today is not the same as yesterday like Sunset Ave Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
It's over Johnny --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Let's look on the bright side, he'll never be able to use his personalizing schtick again Wasn't working anyway you and Maryo were still doing it anyway. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
How classy, blame the messenger for your own vile opinions. Nice, it just keeps getting better today... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 12/5/2008 4:54:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedright@ writes: == The smear on JK was all personalizing. Dan J and Ed Johnson had enough class to avoid any bile in their comments about JK's resignation. Call it personalizing if you want. I see it as objectifying the abject content of your posts. Except I didn't post it here. Jack did. You commented on it. I knew no one here would appreciate so I was respectful and left it alone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Rockwell/AsburyPark/Xanadu
Zanadu is a complete eyesore. But, even if we question the look of the pavilions, isn't it far too late for a change of direction? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While doing some research I came across a page of comments about the new Xanadu complex being built in the Meadow Lands. Designed by the Rockwell Group, the same architect engaged for our beachfront who is responsible for the 'Containers' I thought the following comment was rather connected. Posted by mcjasper on 09/11/08 at 11:54AM I am a recent graduate from Manhattan College and while driving down to my parents house at the shore many weekends would drive past the mall. I must say as a civil engineer, if I were the engineer of this building I would take a wet noodle and beat the architect. How any architect could think this is a good look is beyond me. It would have looked ugly in the 1970's when these colors were in style. Thank God I decided to move out of NJ and now live in Tampa, FL. Now I will not have to deal with an ugly mess called a mall like all you northern Jersey folk. P.S. stop coming down to the shore and cluttering up my beaches!!! http://blog.nj.com/jerseyblogs/2008/04/xanadu_too_ugly_for_the_meadow.html I continue to be concerned about the direction of architecture chosen for the beachfront and think that the Rockwell Group is an inappropriate match for the job at hand. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] C-8 part 2....1 year later
Didn't the ESP shut down this month last year? Has anybody heard any updates about it fate, or plans to restart building? It's starting to be a real slap in the cities face that there's another derelict structure on the same exact location as the last one. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8 part 2....1 year later
Perhaps the ESP could be repurposed into being an urban paintball game, with a special area similar to Shoot the Geek in Pt. Pleasant, but in the AP version, the geek could be wearing a Dean Geibel mask. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cwpvt cwpvt@ wrote: It's been a year, can't the City force them to remove what is there if they are not going to use it? Or hire someone to remove it and bill the owner. I would assume that if they can arrest someone for a porch, they can have the owner (who is still in business) fined until it's gone. The same thing with the Metropolitan, why is that hulk still standing. I would have to assume they removed the good part, because they were afraid that someone was going to force them to restore it. If I remember correctly, the city sent an engineer over who said it was unsafe, or that was the excuse anyway! Wouldn't the remains qualify the same way? === == It would actually be better to include the Esperanza site in the parking discussion. The part that is built is the proposed parking levels. It could be finished as such rather easily forming the base of a future tower expansion should the economy warrant. The City could exercise Eminent Domain, take the site, make it public property and then lease the rights to operate it as Parking with some commercial uses perhaps. Thank you for the thought, I see myself in your post Several terms come to mind: - Selective Enforcement - Malicious Prosecution I've been photo documenting various sites for years. It's clear that there is some 'Personalizing' going on. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stepping Down from City Council
Jim, Congrats on all the great work you did for the city. We'll miss how you kept us connected via this group. Best wishes for the future. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends of Asbury Park: I sent the following memo to Mayor Sanders and my City Council colleagues this morning. For those of you who have supported me over the past three and a half years, I thank you and will be ever grateful for that support. For those of you who at times disagreed with my policy decisions, I also thank you, because I know that you did so out of your love for Asbury Park, and I deeply respect that. I look forward to serving all you in the remaining weeks of 2008. I hope this finds you well and enjoying this beautiful day. Peace, JWK ___ To: Mayor Kevin Sanders From: Councilman Jim Keady Re: Stepping down from City Council Date: December 2, 2008 Mayor Sanders, It has been my distinct pleasure to serve the City of Asbury Park and its citizens for the past three and a half years. However, due to increased personal and professional demands on my time, I will be stepping down from my position on City Council effective December 31, 2008. I look forward to participating in my two remaining City Council meetings on December 3, 2008 and December 17, 2008. Beyond these, I wish you, Deputy Mayor Bruno, Councilman Johnson, Councilman Loffredo, City Manager Reidy and all the City employees the best of luck as you continue the important and exciting work of revitalizing our wonderful community. I hope this finds you well. Peace, James W. Keady Councilman, City of Asbury Park _ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Budgets ???
Since music events are proven to be the biggest draw to the city, why not get a few more up and running, such as restore the Fastlane? Concert goers always mean more money for the city. Also, instead of letting the Baronet sit there and waste away as it currently is, get it back online with some creative booking, something complimentary to Asbury Lanes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: On the AP Budget. 1. Maybe the mayor or city manager should stand up and say we are broke. Kind of like Arnold has repeated in California... Then once that is done take a step back and figure out what departments CAN generate revenue and see if they are actaully producing revenue. a) If not, why not? Look to fees and fines to generate revenues. Look to police dept to issue MORE tickets. Ocean Twp sits on the circle almost all day. Let an AP cop sit on the entrances to AP. Interlaken does it as does Allenhurst. Get out of date registrations and who knows what else you get. Look at the parking meters. How much are they generating TODAY as people still put money in...DO NOT GIVE this up. How are they going to address the accumulated sick time as shown in the budget someone posted? How much state aid will be available, how much is actually needed. Will there be tax appeals by regular property owners and other commercial property owners - like Partners has done successfully? Has Partners paid all they taxes, fees and reimbursements related to the development effort? Can the city start a hotel room tax or liquor tax? Do you really think will make a difference to the final bill? If so then the owners may hav to take the little bump.. So how do handle a budget on a city that cannot generate enough revenues to cover their operations. And don't forget, taxpayers also contribute little to a $100m school budget. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
This is a horrible attempt to be right I suspect you weren't paying attention to the road. I drive on Ocean Ave. every single day, and night, and I've never had a problem seeing people in the road. Ocean and 4th has tons of lighting. Perhaps the glare got in your eyes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leaving CH Friday night. At Ocean and 4th I almost ran over 3 people crossing. Had to slam on my brakes. I could not see them until they were in my headlights. Why? Too damned dark. No sight of them when they were still at the curb. NEED BRIGHT LIGHTS! Case closed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
Good grief? The only good grief from this post is an analogy that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. It's amazing how desperate you are to win, once again. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure - that's why the keep the lights so low at Giants Stadium - so you can see the players better. Good grief. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Leaving CH Friday night. At Ocean and 4th I almost ran over 3 people crossing. Had to slam on my brakes. I could not see them until they were in my headlights. Why? Too damned dark. No sight of them when they were still at the curb. NEED BRIGHT LIGHTS! Case closed. === == === Your ability to see at night was compromised by the industrial flood lights shining into that intersection from South wall of the Wonder bar and the MM/APartners pavilion. The glare caused your eyes to compensate for the high contrast and not 'see' the people. Case Closed. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. Maybe there is no wrong or right here, just different opinions. Personally, I greatly dislike the way the area in question is lit, and I really dislike the lighting near the Casino. People in Ocean Grove don't like it either. Did you even take a second to read the article I posted from National Geographic? I read every word of all of your posts, because I have an open mind. Do you have an open enough mind to consider the possibility that other opinions are as valuable as you think yours are? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: This is a horrible attempt to be right Do you post to show yourself incorrect? Please explain. I don't understand the fault in being correct. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Knock, Knock...Hellooo....
Perhaps a Facebook group could help? If change is a possibility, I think the city would need to see how many people actually care about this. A few of us won't make a difference, but a few hundred might. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Newbie you don't think the relationship between gay and straight people in Asbury Park is an important topic with meat on it? They just held a symposium on the subject at Monmouth College which was covered in the Press. Not important for us though? Well excuse me for discussing an issue you personally find so terrible unimportant. So how about those beachfront lights then? === === There's a form of that word 'personal..' again. One has to wonder about double standards. As to the LIGHTS . I'll bite AGAIN... A few posts back the question was asked about what can be done about intrusive lighting. I've posted numerous resources on the topic. Well here's my offer, anyone willing to seriously address the issue kindly contact me privately by email or phone and if we can get a core group together we may be able to effect some positive change in the way things are handled. There you go, an open invitation, . Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
Thanks. I hope this doesn't ruin my attempt to do the right thing, but I have one more thing to add. Remember about a year ago, when I posted about buying a telescope? Well, part of the reason why I chose to do so was because of you Tommy, because I liked your posts about meteor showers. So, I bought a telescope, and I love it. At the time, I could take that telescope into the alley between my home and then next, and it became a sort of open air observatory. Many months later, that observatory isn't very ideal. Why? Because all the new lighting has created light pollution, and the night sky above my apt. is now filled with the ambient light bouncing off of the natural mist that accompanies living by the ocean, so in order to enjoy my telescope, I now need to pack it up, and go elsewhere, which kind've diminishes the joy I got from it. This whole argument isn't really about too much lighting, it's about appropriate lighting. Couldn't the city, and MM done a better, more coordinated job by installing lighting that does the job without flooding the entire area with light spillage? Couldn't the city and MM done a better job at creating a unified lighting plan, one which does the job, but still lets the night be the night? Unfortunately, AP has been in a state of desperation for years, so most of the solutions here is to just throw assets and redevelopment activities out there in a hurry, rather then take the time to do it right, the first time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. This is a good post, Jack. You attack my arguement. You say a street and a stadium are not comparable and therefore don't lead to an approprate conclusion by comparing them. Notice how not one word of what you wrote is dependant upon any conclusions about me. That's how all posts should be. Nice job. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Knowing each other
Thanks Jennifer! I tried to dislike Facebook because I wanted to unteather myself from the myriad of websites that take up way too much of my time, but it didn't work out, so I decided to embrace it. That being said, I recently created another Facebook group, Help the World - Christmas 2008 Here's a link: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=42031067015 The purpose of the group is to encourage people to make a donation to a charitable organization in the name of a friend or family member, instead of buying them a present. I was inspired to create the group after hearing a story on NPR about an elderly women in Zimbabwe, who's only source of food came from picking bits of undigested corn from cow dung. Can you imagine that? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Perhaps a Facebook group could help? Hi Jack, I like Facebook a lot. It helps me stay in touch with a lot of people and its gotten me back in touch with even more. I now know more about people I went to High School with than I did even in HS. I don't know if the groups ever become very active for discussions. I see your Greetings from Asbury Park group has a lot of members now (including Nils Lofgren and Roy Bittan). I think the larger point is that the anonymity that you can allow in Yahoo groups breeds behaviors that you don't see with people who know one another. How about we set a regular date for group members to socialize in person? We could do it in a local place, meet for drinks say once a month and get to know each other. I find email to be the worst form of communication ever made. It's way too easy to hear a tone in the writer's voice that is not as it was intended. I moderate two groups for work and I see a lot more listening and weighing of opposing opinions when my group members know and respect one another than when they are new and feeling anonymous. So who wants to meet and have a drink? Jennifer Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
Yes, but once again, the discussion isn't about having lighting, it's about having appropriate, well thought out lighting that fits into the community. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way Jack I did read the Nat Geo you posted. The following excerpt supports my position fully. Note the author makes no qualification about opinion. He cites it as fact. Good for him. Here it is: If humans were truly at home under the light of the moon and stars, we would go in darkness happily, the midnight world as visible to us as it is to the vast number of nocturnal species on this planet. Instead, we are diurnal creatures, with eyes adapted to living in the sun's light. This is a basic evolutionary fact, even though most of us don't think of ourselves as diurnal beings any more than we think of ourselves as primates or mammals or Earthlings. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. Maybe there is no wrong or right here, just different opinions. Personally, I greatly dislike the way the area in question is lit, and I really dislike the lighting near the Casino. People in Ocean Grove don't like it either. Did you even take a second to read the article I posted from National Geographic? I read every word of all of your posts, because I have an open mind. Do you have an open enough mind to consider the possibility that other opinions are as valuable as you think yours are? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: This is a horrible attempt to be right Do you post to show yourself incorrect? Please explain. I don't understand the fault in being correct. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
I've always had interest in astronomy, and your posts just pushed me a little further. But, to the topic of lighting, what about what Oak wrote, about the lighting ruining the view in Watermark? Isn't that a valid point? And people in OG have been complaining to the city about our light spilling into their homes. Aren't those valid point? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Jack, and thanks for not seeing it as patronizing like that other fellow, instead for seeing it as the true compliment to you from me that it was. It's much easier for me to say good point to your post ( or anyone else's) about a stretched point I may have made, when the post I'm conceding to isn't also filled with a bunch of negative conclusions about me personally. I think that is true of anyone. Hopefully you've started a new trend - no conclusions about other posters - just their arguements. I hope I didn't talk you into a telescope to look at meteor showers! Meteors are random in the sky and last for a split second, so you really can't use the scope for that. Best just scanning with your naked eye. I don't think City light planning should include we amatuer astronomers. If we had our way there'd be no electricity. It's the nature of hobby to travel to seek out the dark skies (and part of the fun). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Thanks. I hope this doesn't ruin my attempt to do the right thing, but I have one more thing to add. Remember about a year ago, when I posted about buying a telescope? Well, part of the reason why I chose to do so was because of you Tommy, because I liked your posts about meteor showers. So, I bought a telescope, and I love it. At the time, I could take that telescope into the alley between my home and then next, and it became a sort of open air observatory. Many months later, that observatory isn't very ideal. Why? Because all the new lighting has created light pollution, and the night sky above my apt. is now filled with the ambient light bouncing off of the natural mist that accompanies living by the ocean, so in order to enjoy my telescope, I now need to pack it up, and go elsewhere, which kind've diminishes the joy I got from it. This whole argument isn't really about too much lighting, it's about appropriate lighting. Couldn't the city, and MM done a better, more coordinated job by installing lighting that does the job without flooding the entire area with light spillage? Couldn't the city and MM done a better job at creating a unified lighting plan, one which does the job, but still lets the night be the night? Unfortunately, AP has been in a state of desperation for years, so most of the solutions here is to just throw assets and redevelopment activities out there in a hurry, rather then take the time to do it right, the first time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. This is a good post, Jack. You attack my arguement. You say a street and a stadium are not comparable and therefore don't lead to an approprate conclusion by comparing them. Notice how not one word of what you wrote is dependant upon any conclusions about me. That's how all posts should be. Nice job. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Happy Thanksgiving Asbury Park!
I'd like to wish all of my Asbury Park friends a happy and healthy Thanksgiving! Best wishes to all... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] My hope for the future of AP
This has been a pretty great year for our city so far. Crime is down, big time. Lot's of great events, year round. Big improvements to the boardwalk area. For next year, I'd like to see: 1) More attention paid to the west side 2) A more attractive Main Street 3) A move away from a boardwalk dominated by high end retail 4) A serious look at moving the boardwalk area in an entertainment direction. 5) Resolve the fate of the Arthur Pryor bandshell 6) The city take a serious look at resolving people's concerns with the lighting issues 7) The remaining eyesore of the Met Hotel demolished, and the lot made into a park, or dog run As a citizen, I'm going to follow up on an idea that I sent to the AP boardwalk website, and got a favorable response - Making the boardwalk a big, free, WIFI hotspot. I personally think that if this idea were to be properly promoted, it would be yet another attraction for our beach/boardwalk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hotels and BB's
I think if the city continues their push toward big name concert events via Live Nation, then there would be a need for more variety in the lodgings department. I think it would be amazing if AP once again hosted a few big, summer outdoor beach concerts like it did back in the 70's. This has been mentioned here before, but the best kept lodging secret in AP is the Tides Hotel, on 7th Ave. I took the tour over the summer, and I was blown away. http://hoteltides.com/ --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure if this topic has already been discussed in the distant past. I wonder how many hotels/BB's would make sense for Asbury now that there is a decent boardwalk for people to utilize in the summer. How many rooms there are in other towns and what level of supply would be too much. Does anyone have any insight on this topic? dan Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hotels and BB's
I also think that The Berkley could use the pressure of other hotels in order to push them to step up and get their act together. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: How many rooms there are in other towns and what level of supply would be too much. Does anyone have any insight on this topic? dan Enough rooms that owners want to buy more or add on... You can go to AC in the summer and not get a room or get one, but pay out the nose or today, drive down Rt 30 toards the marina disrict - and see rooms from abou $29 sun-thursday... or get free rooms in the hotels or $79 rooms at the casinos... I was in hollywood fl got a room via price at a hyatt place... via priceline cheap. YOu need a mix, a choice. The problem is, you need the land to build it on. Would a 25 story hotel work? That's grand. Would a 100 room family hotel work? Right now having extra hotel rooms is not the problem. That's my thoughts for what it's worth. Throw a holiday express or other simple style hotel and you have alomst the whole shore to draw from - steps to the beach... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hotels and BB's
Here's the 2 most recent Berkley reviews on Trip Advisor; Can I get directions to the nearest hospital Berkeley Hotel gtipunk10 philadelphia pa Nov 18, 2008 A bunch of our friends were in town to see a band that we all knew have their final show. So in addition to the room we had there were several other rooms booked in the same party or group. The hotel is as other reviews have stated trying to be hip and swanky. But it should deff not fool you. Just because there is an ihome in every room doesn't make it nice. It does lack a lot of normal amenities such as a mini-fridge. The place didn't even have a vending machine. What hotel do you know where you can not even get a bottle of water from a vending machine?! The next morning before check out a member staying in our room went to use the horribly designed shower. Instead of a shower curtain or a door there was just a stationary piece of glass about a 1/4 thick x 3'-6 wide to the ceiling. So needless to say water goes all over and doesn't stay in the shower. The person who was taking a shower leaned out to grab a towel with one hand out the glass and it fell out. Just came right out. He managed to catch it however since the water was running everything was slippery and it still fell on him. Causing a bloody mess! When I called down to the front desk to see what I was supposed to do she said she would send someone up. It was taking forever and we couldn't wait so I went down to the desk to ask for directions to the nearest hospital. The front desk woman said I was rude even though I apologized to the people in line when I butted it to get the directions. She then started to rattle off street names to me as though I knew where I was. In which case would I really be staying in your hotel or asking you where the hospital was. When I asked her for something that was written down I got an eye roll and attitude. When I got back upstairs the maintenance man was now in the room. He looked at the directions and told me they were incorrect. She then fought with the guy who's name the room at the desk about the incident but then got the manager to come in. Apparently he was nice and comped the room. And corporate is supposed to pickup the medical charges but we will see what happens there. So after a 3 hour ER visit the guy had to have his toenail surgically removed. We were late getting to an event in NYC that day. And now are inconvenienced all around with the injury. I would never go there again. This TripAdvisor Member: Liked it was close to asbury lanes Disliked having to spend 3 hours at the ER Convenient for closeness but Room Sevice was bad Berkeley Hotel magrat08 UK Nov 7, 2008 I have stayed at this hotel before and have to say it was much better then it is now, even though they are supposed to be improving it. The newly renovations look good, but it's the housekeeping and breakfast service was no good, infact both of them were NIL. We stayed for 4 nights and each day we never saw a cleaner in our room and our beds did not get changed until we left. Reception staff said they only do room after departure and only give fresh towels. We had to empty our room bins ourselves and take them down to reception to get emptied. There were no phones in the room so if you wanted something, we had keep going up and down to get things. The desperately need better cleaners in this hotel, the computer room downstairs near the reception, there were lots of empty bottles and rubbish in there, nothing much was clean. It stated that in included breakfast with the room, this breakast consisted of just a bagel and hot drink. They have a bar, but it was not open and not used at all. A little advice, if you want to go out for something decent to eat and drink, head to a place called Clancy's Tavern in Ocean Grove, the address is... 25 South Main Street Neptune, NJ 07753 They have some really good shops in that area too and a good launderette if needed :-) Don't be walking around on your own late at night in Asbury Park!! This TripAdvisor Member: Liked CLose by to the Stone Pony and other entertainment and Beach Disliked Room Service and hotel amenities --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also think that The Berkley could use the pressure of other hotels in order to push them to step up and get their act together. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: How many rooms there are in other towns and what level of supply would be too much. Does anyone have any insight on this topic? dan Enough rooms that owners want to buy more or add on... You can go to AC in the summer and not get a room or get one, but pay out the nose or today, drive down Rt 30 toards the marina disrict - and see rooms from abou $29 sun-thursday... or get free
[AsburyPark] Re: Hotels and BB's
Here's the 2 most recent Berkley reviews on Trip Advisor; Can I get directions to the nearest hospital Berkeley Hotel gtipunk10 philadelphia pa Nov 18, 2008 A bunch of our friends were in town to see a band that we all knew have their final show. So in addition to the room we had there were several other rooms booked in the same party or group. The hotel is as other reviews have stated trying to be hip and swanky. But it should deff not fool you. Just because there is an ihome in every room doesn't make it nice. It does lack a lot of normal amenities such as a mini-fridge. The place didn't even have a vending machine. What hotel do you know where you can not even get a bottle of water from a vending machine?! The next morning before check out a member staying in our room went to use the horribly designed shower. Instead of a shower curtain or a door there was just a stationary piece of glass about a 1/4 thick x 3'-6 wide to the ceiling. So needless to say water goes all over and doesn't stay in the shower. The person who was taking a shower leaned out to grab a towel with one hand out the glass and it fell out. Just came right out. He managed to catch it however since the water was running everything was slippery and it still fell on him. Causing a bloody mess! When I called down to the front desk to see what I was supposed to do she said she would send someone up. It was taking forever and we couldn't wait so I went down to the desk to ask for directions to the nearest hospital. The front desk woman said I was rude even though I apologized to the people in line when I butted it to get the directions. She then started to rattle off street names to me as though I knew where I was. In which case would I really be staying in your hotel or asking you where the hospital was. When I asked her for something that was written down I got an eye roll and attitude. When I got back upstairs the maintenance man was now in the room. He looked at the directions and told me they were incorrect. She then fought with the guy who's name the room at the desk about the incident but then got the manager to come in. Apparently he was nice and comped the room. And corporate is supposed to pickup the medical charges but we will see what happens there. So after a 3 hour ER visit the guy had to have his toenail surgically removed. We were late getting to an event in NYC that day. And now are inconvenienced all around with the injury. I would never go there again. This TripAdvisor Member: Liked it was close to asbury lanes Disliked having to spend 3 hours at the ER Convenient for closeness but Room Sevice was bad Berkeley Hotel magrat08 UK Nov 7, 2008 I have stayed at this hotel before and have to say it was much better then it is now, even though they are supposed to be improving it. The newly renovations look good, but it's the housekeeping and breakfast service was no good, infact both of them were NIL. We stayed for 4 nights and each day we never saw a cleaner in our room and our beds did not get changed until we left. Reception staff said they only do room after departure and only give fresh towels. We had to empty our room bins ourselves and take them down to reception to get emptied. There were no phones in the room so if you wanted something, we had keep going up and down to get things. The desperately need better cleaners in this hotel, the computer room downstairs near the reception, there were lots of empty bottles and rubbish in there, nothing much was clean. It stated that in included breakfast with the room, this breakast consisted of just a bagel and hot drink. They have a bar, but it was not open and not used at all. A little advice, if you want to go out for something decent to eat and drink, head to a place called Clancy's Tavern in Ocean Grove, the address is... 25 South Main Street Neptune, NJ 07753 They have some really good shops in that area too and a good launderette if needed :-) Don't be walking around on your own late at night in Asbury Park!! This TripAdvisor Member: Liked CLose by to the Stone Pony and other entertainment and Beach Disliked Room Service and hotel amenities --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also think that The Berkley could use the pressure of other hotels in order to push them to step up and get their act together. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: How many rooms there are in other towns and what level of supply would be too much. Does anyone have any insight on this topic? dan Enough rooms that owners want to buy more or add on... You can go to AC in the summer and not get a room or get one, but pay out the nose or today, drive down Rt 30 toards the marina disrict - and see rooms from abou $29 sun-thursday... or get free
