[FairfieldLife] 'Tea Party Successionist[s]Funders'...
Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 1:05 AM
cnnra...@cnn.com,
Part I
This begins a series designed to uncover what's really going on in WaSHIngton
D.C.
First of all, these 'Tea Party Folks' are mostly funded by the what's called
the:
the tea party elite.
They are mostly white folks, europeans, mostly, that are funding the tea party
folks
Now not only are they terrorizing our country, mostly the poorest among us...
But these folks, are also, Successionists...
Take a look at this video of Sarah Parlin and Mr.Sarah Palin..
These folks are like the 'Misters of the Grand 'Ol South'...
When slavery ruled the land...
they were{in their own distorted egos]...
the master race, destined to rule over the lessor mongrols, and aborijinals...
So, like Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump...all these very fake masks..
they are basically cold and devoid of any real 'soul'...
they lack any compassion for tthe poor,
and only care about maintaining their elitism...
they thrive on cultural chaos, which they clock in 'they're strange version of
'Christianity...
Because the 'Entity that they Created'...by messure of the 'U.S. Supreme
Court'...
[they want to reverse everything the founding fathers wanted...]
Is the a 'Corporation is equal to a 'souled human being..;'
this entity is without 'soul' so to speak...\
{they mostly drain our economy of the wealth of:
Education, housing, oil, overseas manufacturing, and so on...
They...or:
it lacks any compassion and only seeks to 'pump itself up'...
In ancient times, Jesus called this entity:
the evil one...
And today still:
It Rears It's Ugly Head!'
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[FairfieldLife] 'Sarah Palin=Successionist'...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI
[FairfieldLife] 'Conclusion to Patanjali's Yoga Sutras'...[with sanskrit]
M had everyone read, 'Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras' on the 6 mos. course... here is a sanskrit translation of the final condition for YogA... Union! http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras-35356.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Evans Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator There are many different methods for meditation. TM is a technique taught by Maharishi who was a Hindu. Nothing against it, as I haven't done it or paid to learn it, but it is based on an interpretation of Hinduism possibly somewhat unique to Maharishi from what I've gleaned from posts on these website. There are many ways to meditate that are free and published. But I think itâs noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. IMHO, far more noteworthy, in the long run, is Fred Travis' finding that the most obvious during-meditation effects of TM level out soon after learning, but that the out-side-of-meditation effects keep growing year after year. L 'When in Rome, do what the Romans Do!'... r.
[FairfieldLife] 'Bin Laden Family-Wrote of Bush Tax Cut[s]...
It seems that when the 'bin Laden Family'...needed to escape the U.S Shortly after the 'Events of nine, One, One... They used a 'Bush Tax Write-off... For their private jet, Used to 'Escape the U.S. Terrified Territory... r.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Conclusion to Patanjali's Yoga Sutras'...[with sanskrit]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: M had everyone read, 'Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras' on the 6 mos. course... here is a sanskrit translation of the final condition for YogA... Union! http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras-35356.htm I hope you are aware that's one of them bloody siddhi-s... ;D
[FairfieldLife] English word for adult female human being?
Is 'woMAN' really based on the Bible: Wiki: Describing her as bone of my bones, flesh of my flesh, the man calls his new help-mate woman (Heb. ishshah), for this one was taken from a man (Heb. ish). Naah, most probably not!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Conclusion to Patanjali's Yoga Sutras'...[with sanskrit]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: M had everyone read, 'Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras' on the 6 mos. course... here is a sanskrit translation of the final condition for YogA... Union! http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras-35356.htm I hope you are aware that's one of them bloody siddhi-s... ;D The way to freedom, is to realize that we are not the body...we are beyond blood, and so on.. We are oneness itself. Egoless, Cosmic Ego... The pure experience of [I-I] Transcendence of ego, and realizing the cosmic ego... Freedom in Action Freedom in Silence Distilling Purusha, Bliss pure frangrance of Atma Matma Ha Na Na Na.
[FairfieldLife] Woman by John Lennon 1980
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-x1FsvOAz4
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Conclusion to Patanjali's Yoga Sutras'...[with sanskrit]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: M had everyone read, 'Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras' on the 6 mos. course... here is a sanskrit translation of the final condition for YogA... Union! http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras-35356.htm I hope you are aware that's one of them bloody siddhi-s... ;D Amazing web page, thanks. That 3.50. I like (in a non-attached way) that sutra the most of all we got to play with. On my six month course he gave it in the sandskrit. Discernment too, of bhuti and purusha. I love sitting with those.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In FF memorium
A picture is worth a thousand words...(usually). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: http://www.estatevaults.com/lm/_all_souls.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: An old FF friend, Jeff Wells passed away this evening. !Jai Jeff Wells!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: A few hours of dying, having the senses removed and all that, especially if you are habituated to loosing everything during real meditations anyway is nothing compared to having to spend 9 months in a dark and damp place only to be pushed out through a slimy, bloodful channel into a place full of bright lights where the people babble in a language you don't even understand. I can die anytime. But being born, not so much. Belly Button Window http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGuzvPpTCggfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] 'Song of Mooji'..circa: transition point 2011
A beautiful music/video of enlightened sage: Mooji http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3MXekJ7-0kfeature=player_embedded#at=303
[FairfieldLife] What's fun got to do, got to do with it?
Today I took the day off and went into Den Haag, just for the fun of it, and thus find myself sitting in this sidewalk cafe pondering the weighty topic of fun. The subject comes to mind because I'm still thinking about what I'd invent as secular spirituality. Although I'm still more than a little light in the loafers as to specifics (maybe I'll write about that next), one thing I think would be key is that practitioners of my version of Open Source Spirituality should look as if they are having FUN with it. I think that's key to any successful pathway to self discovery. One of the reasons I bailed on the TMO was that it had stopped being fun for me. An oh-so-serious seriousness had descended on the joint. It was work, work, work to get as many people to start TM as possible, or at least enough to earn sufficient ATR credit to go on a course, where you could work work work to get enlightened. The occasional celebrations held at National or in TM centers were on the whole about as much fun as a wake, and without the whiskey. Even Jerry had stopped telling jokes. Time to leave. So I did, with no intention of ever becoming involved with another spiritual path, ever. I wanted to see what the outside world had to offer in the way of fun. It was the early 80s, and L.A.; there was a lot of fun to be had. And then I ran into some folks I'd known from the TMO who told me that they'd met a spiritual teacher they liked, and had begun studying with him. I would have been completely uninterested except that I couldn't help but notice the change that had taken place in these people since I'd last seen them, about a year earlier. Back then they'd been as much fun as a funeral, On The TM Program to the max and not looking as if they were enjoying it very much. Now they were vibrant, laughing, cracking jokes, and obviously having a good time with their lives. That interested me, because up to then I honestly hadn't associated that level of having FUN with one's life with the spiritual path. I decided to go see this Rama guy and check him out. The day I was to see him, I stopped L.A.'s premiere mecca of spirituality, the Bodhi Tree bookstore. It's pretty much where everyone in town would go to get their literary spiritual fix. I knew a clerk there, and she had told me that she and her fellow employees often amused themselves by trying to figure out which spiritual trip their customers were affiliated with. Some were easy to bag, like the Sikhs or the Hare Krishnas, because they were always in costume. Same with the Rajneeshis, because they all wore the same variants of red, orange, and purple. Other trips were harder to bag from the vibe of the customers. I mentioned to her that I was going to see Rama that night, and asked her what the clerks' concensus was on them. She said, Oh, they're by far the easiest to identify. I asked why, and she said, They're happy. They look like they're having a good time on the spiritual path. You have no idea how few students of other traditions I can say that about. Her insight proved to be true. Studying with Rama -- at least in those early days -- really was FUN. Yeah, we'd study meditation and hear talks, like everybody else in town, but we'd do weird shit like go to Disneyland together. Or to a disco. Or to the desert or similar places of power. We'd dress up in tuxedos and evening dresses (I would be one of the ones wearing the tux, BTW) and have fancy formal dinners. Occasionally we'd even go to Hawaii or to Paris. Fun. Fun was even considered a good indicator to look for in one's practice of mindfulness. The rap was, If you're not having fun with your life, the energy of enlightenment is blocked; it cannot flow through you. In an odd way, this credo equated MMY's stress as the thing that prevented the realization of enlightenment with *not having any fun*. And this condition, unlike the more undefined stress, was easy to get rid of. If you found yourself in a bit of a spiritual rut, with your meditations and realizations less shiny than you wanted them to be, you could break out of this spiritual writer's block at any time. There was a patented Rama technique (no trademark symbol) for doing so. And it was a real bitch to practice -- just go out and do something fun. It worked like a charm. It was as if the simple act of having fun was the stress remover that TM always claimed to be. Spend a few hours laughing and enjoying yourself, and suddenly your meditations were back to profound again, and your life was back on track. It still works like a charm. That's why I'm in Den Haag today, taking a day off to do some cafe writing. That, oddly enough, is one of my ideas of fun. It's not that my meds are less than shiny lately or that my life feels off in any way; everything's been pretty great. Today I'm practicing the fun technique just to spice up an already shiny day and maybe inspire me on a particular project. And y'know...the best thing about this technique is that even if it
[FairfieldLife] Re: In FF memorium
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: An old FF friend, Jeff Wells passed away this evening. !Jai Jeff Wells! Australian guy who worked at MIU back in the 1980s?
[FairfieldLife] Secular Spirituality, the followup
Thought I'd take a shot at answering some of my own questions: What would a completely secularized set of meditation and self-development techniques LOOK LIKE? If you were to design one or speculate about one, what would it involve and not involve? No teacher reverence, and no hierarchy. There would almost certainly be teachers, but IMO students would perceive and treat them more as friends or mentors than spiritual teachers. In my mythical secular org, the emphasis would be on the pragmatic and the practical, not on philosophy or intangible subjective goals like enlightenment. The way I figure it is that if you get your meditation cookin' and your life workin' well, either the enlightenment stuff will take care of itself or you can find some more traditional path to help you get there. Also, there would not only be no prohibitions against psychiatry or other therapies, if they've proved of value they would be integrated into the recommended set of practices. Needless to say, the org's finances should be completely transparent and available to the public. Romantic or sexual relationships between teachers and students would be completely verboten; if a teacher chooses to pursue one he or she should step down as a teacher with the org. Most important, the whole recommended set of techniques should be FUN; students should *want* to be practicing them, not feel as if they had to. Which elements from traditional spiritual practices would you preserve, and which would you not? I would include some form of sitting meditation, mindfulness, some suggested form of bodywork such as yoga or martial arts, and talks on the pragmatic aspects of spiritual practice. The latter might include talks on work as sadhana (how to extend your spiritual practice into the realm of career and make work itself a form of meditation), and ethics from the inside out (no list of do's and don'ts, more training in how to become more aware of minor shifts in your state of attention, so that you can use those shits to clue you in as to whether you're doing the right thing or the wrong thing). As with FFL, any topic would be fair game as long as the students have an interest in it and all agree that discussing it would help them in their own self discovery. No question would ever be considered heretical or Off The Program. If the meditation practices you suggest use mantras, where would they come from? If I were to try to create a true secular spiriuality, I wouldn't recommend meditation that used mantras at all. I'd teach a simple form of meditation that involved a light focus on the heart chakra, followed by letting go. I'd probably demo such a method both meditating to music and in silence, and suggest that students practice the one that feels best to them. I've taught such a method before and found that students can learn it very quickly and effectively, and that they report many subjective benefits from that form of meditation, as many as were ever reported to me when teaching TM. In talks my mythical secular org would then describe other forms of meditation and encourage the students to try them out if they felt they wanted to. There would be zero restrictions on seeing other teachers or performing other techniques. If the meditation practices don't involve mantras, what would they be? For example, some techniques rely on visualization, either inwardly or with the eyes open, on certain designs (yantras, mandalas) or individuals (gods, goddesses, saints). Would you use these same objects of focus, or others? If others, what would they be? I doubt I'd recommend heavy visualization techniques to folks just starting meditation, but again my mythical org would discuss the various types and their supposed benefits and tell students where they could learn them. If we had to recommend a starting point, I suspect that a lot of the geometric yantra designs would pass the secular sniff test. More traditional mandalas or images of holy folks definitely would not. How would you make this technique or set of techniques attractive to people who could benefit from them without relying on the appeal to 'lineage' or 'tradition?' Word of mouth. Success stories. And, if anyone wanted to do some research, that would be gravy. I don't value lineage the way that many do, and I suspect most people in the real world don't either. Bottom line is that the recommended set of techniques would either work in the lives of the students or they wouldn't. If they do, then the students' lives are the best advertisement. Do you feel that such a secularized spiritual practice would be a Good Thing or a Bad Thing? Would one approach be inherently better or more effective and the other...uh...less? And if so, WHY? I think it would be a Good Thing. I suspect that a truly secular form of spirituality would be just as beneficial as any traditional approach, especially if done well, and cleanly, avoiding many of the pitfalls we've discussed ad nauseum on this forum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
That is good. Take a look at Janet Sussman for example. There are others. Her teaching fulfills a lot of what you peg as a more secular meditational/spiritual non-religious practice. She has been at it for a long time as a spiritual teacher. You can google her name. She also has a page at http://timeportalpubs.com/about.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Thought I'd take a shot at answering some of my own questions: What would a completely secularized set of meditation and self-development techniques LOOK LIKE? If you were to design one or speculate about one, what would it involve and not involve? No teacher reverence, and no hierarchy. There would almost certainly be teachers, but IMO students would perceive and treat them more as friends or mentors than spiritual teachers. In my mythical secular org, the emphasis would be on the pragmatic and the practical, not on philosophy or intangible subjective goals like enlightenment. The way I figure it is that if you get your meditation cookin' and your life workin' well, either the enlightenment stuff will take care of itself or you can find some more traditional path to help you get there. Also, there would not only be no prohibitions against psychiatry or other therapies, if they've proved of value they would be integrated into the recommended set of practices. Needless to say, the org's finances should be completely transparent and available to the public. Romantic or sexual relationships between teachers and students would be completely verboten; if a teacher chooses to pursue one he or she should step down as a teacher with the org. Most important, the whole recommended set of techniques should be FUN; students should *want* to be practicing them, not feel as if they had to. Which elements from traditional spiritual practices would you preserve, and which would you not? I would include some form of sitting meditation, mindfulness, some suggested form of bodywork such as yoga or martial arts, and talks on the pragmatic aspects of spiritual practice. The latter might include talks on work as sadhana (how to extend your spiritual practice into the realm of career and make work itself a form of meditation), and ethics from the inside out (no list of do's and don'ts, more training in how to become more aware of minor shifts in your state of attention, so that you can use those shits to clue you in as to whether you're doing the right thing or the wrong thing). As with FFL, any topic would be fair game as long as the students have an interest in it and all agree that discussing it would help them in their own self discovery. No question would ever be considered heretical or Off The Program. If the meditation practices you suggest use mantras, where would they come from? If I were to try to create a true secular spiriuality, I wouldn't recommend meditation that used mantras at all. I'd teach a simple form of meditation that involved a light focus on the heart chakra, followed by letting go. I'd probably demo such a method both meditating to music and in silence, and suggest that students practice the one that feels best to them. I've taught such a method before and found that students can learn it very quickly and effectively, and that they report many subjective benefits from that form of meditation, as many as were ever reported to me when teaching TM. In talks my mythical secular org would then describe other forms of meditation and encourage the students to try them out if they felt they wanted to. There would be zero restrictions on seeing other teachers or performing other techniques. If the meditation practices don't involve mantras, what would they be? For example, some techniques rely on visualization, either inwardly or with the eyes open, on certain designs (yantras, mandalas) or individuals (gods, goddesses, saints). Would you use these same objects of focus, or others? If others, what would they be? I doubt I'd recommend heavy visualization techniques to folks just starting meditation, but again my mythical org would discuss the various types and their supposed benefits and tell students where they could learn them. If we had to recommend a starting point, I suspect that a lot of the geometric yantra designs would pass the secular sniff test. More traditional mandalas or images of holy folks definitely would not. How would you make this technique or set of techniques attractive to people who could benefit from them without relying on the appeal to 'lineage' or 'tradition?' Word of mouth. Success stories. And, if anyone wanted to do some research, that would be gravy. I don't value lineage the way that many do, and I suspect most people in the real world don't either. Bottom line is that the recommended set of techniques would either work in the lives of the students or they wouldn't. If they do, then the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In FF memorium
On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:35 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: An old FF friend, Jeff Wells passed away this evening. !Jai Jeff Wells! Australian guy who worked at MIU back in the 1980s? I remember hearing the name, but can't really place him. Was he some bigwig with a bunch of kids, or was that the other Jeffrey? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: In FF memorium
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: An old FF friend, Jeff Wells passed away this evening. !Jai Jeff Wells! Jeff was a kindhearted soul. He had been a tech at the Raj until he was in a car accident about 10 or 12 years ago. It affected his ability to work. Doug, let us know when you hear about a service for him. Rest in peace, dearest, Jeff.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: That is good. Take a look at Janet Sussman for example. There are others. Her teaching fulfills a lot of what you peg as a more secular meditational/spiritual non-religious practice. She has been at it for a long time as a spiritual teacher. You can google her name. She also has a page at http://timeportalpubs.com/about.htm Buck, I think it's great when you post responses like this that actually have substance. However, you also insist on posting those cascade posts that add nothing and only burn up your allotment of posts. Unfortunately for you, this post was your 51st for the week. Tomorrow's post count will say you're at 50, but I've made it clear several times that the post count is off this week, and I've posted corrected counts for the top posters, including you. So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Beth Cook bethcook84@... wrote: My name is Beth, I'm from Canada. I was just initiated into Transcendental Meditation and I just joined Fairfield Life. I'm hoping to learn more about meditation but I'm concerned my questions have already been discussed. Should I look in the Fairfield Life archives or can I just post my questions? Congratulations on starting TM, Beth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
Doug, If you find out about a service for Jeff, please email me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: That is good. Take a look at Janet Sussman for example. There are others. Her teaching fulfills a lot of what you peg as a more secular meditational/spiritual non-religious practice. She has been at it for a long time as a spiritual teacher. You can google her name. She also has a page at http://timeportalpubs.com/about.htm Buck, I think it's great when you post responses like this that actually have substance. However, you also insist on posting those cascade posts that add nothing and only burn up your allotment of posts. Unfortunately for you, this post was your 51st for the week. Tomorrow's post count will say you're at 50, but I've made it clear several times that the post count is off this week, and I've posted corrected counts for the top posters, including you. So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
We need another Libertarian in the White House like a hole in the head. The Libertarian idiots at the Mises Institute actually endorse the stateless state of affairs in Somalia. Scratch beneath the surface and you'll see that Ron Paul is cut from the same cloth as these heartless, greedy, SOB's. Stateless in Somalia, and Loving It http://mises.org/daily/2066 Libertarian Magic Dust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0 Ayn Rand, heartthrob of Libertarian propagandist, Glenn Beck and Tea Party crazies, worshiped a notorious serial killer who was the inspiration for Howard Roark, the ideal man in her book The Fountainhead. Figures. Ayn Rand, Hugely Popular Author and Inspiration to Right-Wing Leaders, Was a Big Admirer of Serial Killer http://www.alternet.org/books/145819/ayn_rand,_hugely_popular_author_and_inspiration_to_right-wing_leaders,_was_a_big_admirer_of_serial_killer/ http://tinyurl.com/42w4cal --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: At 7 pm on Tues Aug 9th Ron Paul will be speaking on the Fairfield Square!! Attached is the insert that will be going in both the Weekly Reader and the Fairfield Ledger this week. Our goal is to attract 500 persons to hear Ron Paul like we did in 2007! We need volunteers to set up and to staff tables to reserve Straw Poll tickets. On Thursday Aug 11th Ron Paul will be in a televised debate from Ames. On Thurs Aug 11 Fri Aug 12 weâll need help calling our FF Ron Paul supporters to remind them of the Straw Poll and to coordinate carpooling. Saturday Aug 13th is the Straw Poll in Ames!! Bring your friends! Letâs WIN this for Ron Paul. Bus info to be announced. Our Goal is to have 200 persons from Fairfield vote for Ron Paul in the Straw Poll this time!! Please stay in touch and volunteer if you can. Call Roger at 919-8414 with questions. Roger, Brian, Bernadette, Caroline, April
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12. Bhur hoo! OM MG! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: That is good. Take a look at Janet Sussman for example. There are others. Her teaching fulfills a lot of what you peg as a more secular meditational/spiritual non-religious practice. She has been at it for a long time as a spiritual teacher. You can google her name. She also has a page at http://timeportalpubs.com/about.htm Buck, I think it's great when you post responses like this that actually have substance. However, you also insist on posting those cascade posts that add nothing and only burn up your allotment of posts. Unfortunately for you, this post was your 51st for the week. Tomorrow's post count will say you're at 50, but I've made it clear several times that the post count is off this week, and I've posted corrected counts for the top posters, including you. So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
I don't disagreethat's the one draw for me as well. Efficacy. However, I think it is important in any endeavor not to obfuscate the origins. Yes, TM comes from the Hindu tradition and yes, it costs a fair amount of money. I did the meditation outlined in this Pema Chodron book awhile back during a relationship breakup (The Places that Scare You) and found it very useful...am heading towards mindfulness, which I think will benefit me. http://www.amazon.com/Places-That-Scare-You-Fearlessness/dp/1590302656/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_c --- On Wed, 8/3/11, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 6:49 PM From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Evans Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator There are many different methods for meditation. TM is a technique taught by Maharishi who was a Hindu. Nothing against it, as I haven't done it or paid to learn it, but it is based on an interpretation of Hinduism possibly somewhat unique to Maharishi from what I've gleaned from posts on these website. There are many ways to meditate that are free and published. But I think it’s noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. --- On Wed, 8/3/11, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 5:01 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Beth Cook bethcook84@... wrote: Also I'm trying to get my husband to start meditating but he is a devote Catholic and says TM is a form of Hinduism. I've told him that's nonsense but he's still not convinced. Any thoughts, I know it would be very good for him. Don't worry about it. When he sees you relaxed and shining, he will want the same for himselves ! :-)No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3807 - Release Date: 08/03/11
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12. Bhur hoo! OM MG! I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
I agree - seems like consciousness and compassion are completely missing and demonizing has set in, consistent with one of the key criteria of ideological warfare. It is true that we seem far from that as a society, but with consciousness, anything is possible... And so there... Maybe a less dumbed down society would suffice. The US establishment has made quite an effort to keep the US public docile. --- On Wed, 8/3/11, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 7:12 PM On 08/03/2011 06:35 PM, Robert wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 08/03/2011 05:36 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 08/03/2011 04:03 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@wrote: The Fed is just another scam by the bankers to control the money system. That has always been obvious. It's easy for them to pull the wool over the public's eyes because the public is so ignorant of economics and the schemes that the bankers have played down through the centuries. We shouldn't have bailed them out in 2008 and they'll soon be asking for another bailout. Screw 'em! Time for these vampires to burn up! Don't worry about it, it has been taken care of by the collective consciousness of the american people, nourished in the Domes of Fairfield, IOWA and backed by the Masters of Wisdom. One of Their brothers put it this way; Now that communism is gone, the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi, 1989 Who says I'm worried about it? Just pointing out some things. Doncha just want to come over to the Dome and watch the fall of America, Nabby? The americans exported capitalism vigoursly worldwide since WWII, even within academia, the whole world economic system will fall as a result. Those born in the US are young, daredevil souls. Exceptions will be Jim, Rory and a few others. Why they landed there; do ask them ! :-) I don't enjoy this situation any more than you do. Next time around, wiser systems of economy will be implemented. Not based on aggression or expoiting our fellow beings but based on compassion and brotherhood. What they really should have done is just sit down with everybody and say, hey look, the world has now shrunk due to the Internet. Folks in third world countries want to live at the same level that people in the first world countries do. We don't have enough resources to do that. But people in many of the first world countries are living excessively unsustainable lifestyles. Things need to be equalized out. We have a plan to even things out and here it is. Well we know what would happen then. The me people would start whining like three year olds because they would have to give up their monster homes or their excessive lifestyle. But those who are noticing how much their monthly bills are might want to hear the plan. I think we have the technology to live very simply but at the same time very comfortably and with much less daily noise. And not so much time spent working! Basically it is the greedy who create all the noise anyway to keep the public distracted and fooled. Most of the time I just laugh at how stupid the pretentious human race is. It's like Dante were writing a new chapter of the Divine Comedy. The only way, is an evolution in Consciousness... When people are more blissful from within, they wouldn't need to seek and hold power as they do now... Until people stop indentifying with the material world, as being the ultimate reality, then they will continue to play these materialistic games, like someone like Donald Trump, and the ones like him, that are completely overshadowed by their enormous egos, that can never be satisfied...and who likes to think of himself, or itself, as being superiour then mere mortals, who have less money, fame, power and influence... We need enlightened leaders, to lead an enlightened population, then there would be plenty to go around... It is true that we seem far from that as a society, but with consciousness, anything is possible... And so there... Maybe a less dumbed down society would suffice. The US establishment has made quite an effort to keep the US public docile.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: All eyes are on Iowa
A...the saviourlet us give him as much money as possible - Tee Hee --- On Wed, 8/3/11, wle...@aol.com wle...@aol.com wrote: From: wle...@aol.com wle...@aol.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: All eyes are on Iowa To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 12:22 PM From: ron_p...@ronpaul2012.com To: wle...@aol.com Sent: 8/2/2011 3:29:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: All eyes are on Iowa Dear William, What is Mitt Romney afraid of? When news came out that Big Government establishment Republican Mitt Romney was just going to skip all straw polls from here on out, I couldn't help but chuckle... After we beat him fair and square at CPAC and, more recently, the Southern Republican Leadership Straw Poll in New Orleans, he must be tired of losing! But the truth is, the decision to skip the Iowa Straw Poll is a sign of weakness - and one that gives you and me a real opening we MUST exploit. That's why I'm counting on you to act IMMEDIATELY. You see, right now, all eyes are on Iowa. And unlike other polls, the August 13 Iowa Straw Poll isn't one the media can spend weeks hyping and then simply dismiss. The Iowa Straw Poll has always been a crucial bellwether for the first-in-the-nation Iowa caucuses. It can turn a candidate into an instant contender - or CRUSH any hope of future success with a poor showing. This year, the Iowa Straw Poll is more important than ever. Many GOP voters are repulsed with establishment frontrunner Romney's flip-flopping on key issues. They're not happy with his liberal record as Governor of Massachusetts and his signature health care bill that served as the model for ObamaCare. Governor Romney isn't even bothering to try to soothe grassroots misgivings by showing up at the most important straw poll in the nation. That's why, right now, many GOP voters are desperately searching for a candidate who can go toe-to-toe with Governor Romney. Some candidates get handed the chance to do just that, then swing and miss on live TV. Well, that won't be me. While we should be civil and keep campaigns about issues, I'm not going to sit back and let someone try to pull the wool over your eyes, either. This race is too important. Our COUNTRY is too important. Right now, columnists, TV pundits, talk radio hosts, and national media commentators are all looking to the Iowa Straw Poll to see which candidate or candidates have what it takes to take on Mitt Romney and win. And with my record of NEVER toeing the establishment line, I am the LAST candidate they want to acknowledge as a top contender. So I'm counting on you to help me send shockwaves throughout the national political establishment with a strong finish at the Iowa Straw Poll. The good news is, you and I are stunning the political establishment at virtually every turn. I reported an incredible $4.5 million fundraising take on June 30th – MORE than I had originally hoped for! Poll after national primary poll shows my campaign within striking distance of first place, and grassroots support for my campaign is growing by leaps and bounds. Just four years ago, my opponents took every opportunity they could to scoff at my limited government, constitutional views in Presidential debates. They've been proven wrong. And now, as you and I saw in the recent New Hampshire debate, my opponents are falling all over themselves to see who can agree with me the most! But here's what they won't tell you: their Big Government, big spending views haven't really changed, of course. They are just being FORCED to recognize that the American people are flat-out sick of being taxed, groped, spied on, and spent into bankruptcy - just as I predicted. You see, I warned of the housing bubble and the Federal Reserve's print now, ask questions later, dollar-destroying policies. I opposed the bailouts and loudly and forcefully explained why they were not only morally wrong, but would make things WORSE. I argued against never-ending, TRILLION-dollar occupations and unpopular, undeclared wars like President Obama's new outrageous misadventure in Libya. And if elected President, I will: *** Stop the spread of socialist, Big Government health care and instead work to repeal the ObamaCare monstrosity; *** Stop the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip If I were to try to create a true secular spiriuality, I wouldn't recommend meditation that used mantras at all. snip I doubt I'd recommend heavy visualization techniques to folks just starting meditation, but again my mythical org would discuss the various types and their supposed benefits and tell students where they could learn them. If we had to recommend a starting point, I suspect that a lot of the geometric yantra designs would pass the secular sniff test. More traditional mandalas or images of holy folks definitely would not. I'm curious why you feel you could recommend geometric yantras but not mantras, at least not bija mantras, since both are deeply embedded in religious traditions in which they are said to be abstract representations of qualities of the divine. Why would geometric yantras pass the secular sniff test, but bija mantras would not? Seems to me the explanations of why, despite their religious associations, a yantra or a mantra can be used in a purely secular meditation context would be very similar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here. The save counts, I missed it too. BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the oppression of women, and you love it don't you? You love your ancient texts full of superstitions because you are a superstitious boy yourself, aren't you now? You are a bad thinking, a bad bad thinker, your thinking is bad and you are wrong but you don't care because you don't love knowledge, you just want to protect your special class of ideas that you hold for bad, bad, dirty reasons. Now tell me you love your masters, all of them, including Sai Baba, say you love Sai Baba and you believe in the second coming of Maitreya and crop circles as alien messages and the hairy monstrous bigfoot (not Bevan)and you believe that John Hegelin has proven scientifically, beyond any doubt, that the chilled-out feeling in meditation IS the basis for the universe, and you believe it because you feel it is right in your dirty, dirty, illogical mind. And you love disco too. You love the pounding beat like a cranial jackhammer pounding in the rhythms of the night.And you eat at McDonalds more than Jason Spurlock did for that 30 days because you hate to cook. Wow! I'm just glad I didn't admit that outside my own head. That is not the kind of confession I would like to go into cyberspace for others to see...hey what is this button for that says send...ooops --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12. Bhur hoo! OM MG! I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: I agree - seems like consciousness and compassion are completely missing and demonizing has set in, consistent with one of the key criteria of ideological warfare. Well, except that compassion is the very basis of Democratic ideology. Kind of a catch-22 for those for whom compassion is a core value: It's hard to show compassion for folks whose ideology makes a virtue of *lack* of compassion and who want to eliminate compassion from public policy. Those who lack compassion, on the other hand, don't face a similar conflict between their ideals and the urge to demonize their ideological opponents.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
As I remember reading...many who have had a near-death experience talk about the light and the love they feel...or floating above their bodies. Were they enlightened or practiced at disassociation? My grandfather died at 99.5 years...never having meditated in his lifeand slipped away peacefully from what we know... Mararishi uses a lot of words to describe what I basically translate as a version of if you have not accepted Jesus into your heart, the road paved with gold and the pearly gates of heaven, will be closed to you. Or, if you do not do TM and transcend consciousness, a blissful death will be you denied I was reminded of the Christian version at a recent funeral where the Baptist minister took it upon himself to lay down the fiery damnation that awaits us all without Jesus. --- On Tue, 8/2/11, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 3:54 PM The different experience of dying by the ignorant and the enlightened. Maharishi: When an ordinary man leaves his body it's a very great pain. When a realized man leaves the body it's the experience of greatest happiness-bliss. Why? Because the state of enlightenment comes by many times becoming unaware of the body. Metabolic rate comes to nil. Million times the metabolic state has come to nil. And in that state what we had experienced? Bliss consciousness-during meditation. Because the state of enlightenment is the result of millions of times getting to that time of pure awareness, transcendental, that means physically the body comes to that restfulness, comes to that restfulness, comes to that restfulness. . During meditation the mind becomes finer and finer and finer, and then disassociates itself with the body. Prana also-that is breath- becomes finer and finer and finer and finer, and then eventually in the transcendental consciousness, disassociates itself with the body. So, senses: based on the finer aspect of the senses start function finer, finer, finer, finest aspect of the senses start functioning. And then the senses remain behind, the area of the senses remains behind and they are no more in the transcendental awareness. What is happening during that: the prana is disassociating itself from the body, and the mind disassociates itself from the body, senses disassociating themselves from the body. All this disassociation of the subtle body, or the inner man, has been a habit. And the experience has been: when all these disassociate from the body, then bliss consciousness is the direct experience. And therefore, as long as the machinery is functioning with the disassociation of these subtle aspects, the experience is that of pure consciousness or bliss consciousness. So the last experience that the body can give will be of bliss consciousness when the subtle body starts disassociating itself and drops off. This is the time of death. So the death of an enlightened man is just the same phenomenon of transcending and gaining transcendental consciousness. Whereas in the case of others who have not experienced the inner man's disassociation from the body-who have never experienced that-then it is a very terrible thing for the eyesight to disassociate itself from the eyes. It's a very terrible thing for the sense of touch to disassociate itself from the hands. Like that. Very terrible experience of pain. Very great. For the sense of hearing to disassociate itself from the ears, from the whole machinery. You can imagine how a man cries if his house is not insured [laughter]. If he is not hooked to safety, not insured then if the house begins to fall and burns away, he cries out and sees that oh, what beautiful ceiling I made, with such great labor and such great love and this and this, and now it is falling off and falling off and falling off. Everything that he built so dearly and with such great love and joy and labor, all that, is falling off. He starts crying at the fall of everything. Such a great pain at the time of death-for someone who has not known how to disassociate himself from his body. And in TM, every time we get disassociated from the body, at that time the experience is bliss consciousness. Great experience! It's like someone whose insurance is much greater than the value of the house [laughter]. When it begins to burn, he puts a little more petrol there [laughter]. He enjoys that. Because it is hooked to safety. So it's no loss. So, the experience of death of an enlightened man is the same experience of transcending when we meditate. So that is bliss to the enlightened and the greatest suffering to the ignorant. This is the difference. And that's why-he's always ready to die. Doesn't matter what. Always ready to die means: he
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
Rightthe core ideology...which is why I am a Democrat. But, I do think that the Democratic party machine...at least the money grubbing/raising part has sold out to a similar degree. After receiving way too many requests for money with attendant emails (targeted towards our baser instincts that reflected the back and forth slander and sniping)...I eliminated myself from the list. Two sides of the same coinwhere is the Democratic party? Is it possible to restructure from a new set of small parties (as was mentioned). Isn't this what the Koch brothers did for the Republican's and now we have the Tee Hee Party to add insanity to the mix. --- On Thu, 8/4/11, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: From: authfriend jst...@panix.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 8:29 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: I agree - seems like consciousness and compassion are completely missing and demonizing has set in, consistent with one of the key criteria of ideological warfare. Well, except that compassion is the very basis of Democratic ideology. Kind of a catch-22 for those for whom compassion is a core value: It's hard to show compassion for folks whose ideology makes a virtue of *lack* of compassion and who want to eliminate compassion from public policy. Those who lack compassion, on the other hand, don't face a similar conflict between their ideals and the urge to demonize their ideological opponents.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
On 08/03/2011 06:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Evans Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator There are many different methods for meditation. TM is a technique taught by Maharishi who was a Hindu. Nothing against it, as I haven't done it or paid to learn it, but it is based on an interpretation of Hinduism possibly somewhat unique to Maharishi from what I've gleaned from posts on these website. There are many ways to meditate that are free and published. But I think it’s noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. It says something about the efficacy of meditation. We don't know what would have happened if she would have tried a different form of meditation. It may have worked the same.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
In a nutshell, what Maharishi said is that it is the transition after death that is rougher for someone whose nervous system has not been practiced at transcending. Once that transition (supposedly about 3 days) from having a body to not having a body is over, the soul does whatever it does. In the TM paradigm, it is good to think loving and positive thoughts about the recently deceased so as to help them along through the confusion of a few days duration that supposedly arises when the body is lost. MMY said a sudden death could be more confusing than one in which a person was aging or ill and had time to begin to let go. MMY never in my hearing made it sound as if only TM'ers would do well after death or in their next incarnation. Just that TM helped that individual be more much evolved than they would be otherwise. So this differs from a Baptist viewpoint that Jesus is the only way, or TM is the only way. MMY was very clear that in his opinion TM was the Best meditation of all for many reasons. He did credit Yogananda's Kriya Yoga as being a valid technique, altho much slower in its effects than TM. Really, MMY did not talk much about life after death, or dying, given all the thousands of hours of lectures he gave. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: As I remember reading...many who have had a near-death experience talk about the light and the love they feel...or floating above their bodies.  Were they enlightened or practiced at disassociation?  My grandfather died at 99.5 years...never having meditated in his lifeand slipped away peacefully from what we know... Mararishi uses a lot of words to describe what I basically translate as a version of if you have not accepted Jesus into your heart, the road paved with gold and the pearly gates of heaven, will be closed to you.  Or, if you do not do TM and transcend consciousness, a blissful death will be you denied  I was reminded of the Christian version at a recent funeral where the Baptist minister took it upon himself to lay down the fiery damnation that awaits us all without Jesus. --- On Tue, 8/2/11, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: Rick Archer rick@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 3:54 PM  The different experience of dying by the ignorant and the enlightened. Maharishi: When an ordinary man leaves his body it's a very great pain. When a realized man leaves the body it's the experience of greatest happiness-bliss. Why? Because the state of enlightenment comes by many times becoming unaware of the body. Metabolic rate comes to nil. Million times the metabolic state has come to nil. And in that state what we had experienced? Bliss consciousness-during meditation. Because the state of enlightenment is the result of millions of times getting to that time of pure awareness, transcendental, that means physically the body comes to that restfulness, comes to that restfulness, comes to that restfulness. . During meditation the mind becomes finer and finer and finer, and then disassociates itself with the body. Prana also-that is breath- becomes finer and finer and finer and finer, and then eventually in the transcendental consciousness, disassociates itself with the body. So, senses: based on the finer aspect of the senses start function finer, finer, finer, finest aspect of the senses start functioning. And then the senses remain behind, the area of the senses remains behind and they are no more in the transcendental awareness. What is happening during that: the prana is disassociating itself from the body, and the mind disassociates itself from the body, senses disassociating themselves from the body. All this disassociation of the subtle body, or the inner man, has been a habit. And the experience has been: when all these disassociate from the body, then bliss consciousness is the direct experience. And therefore, as long as the machinery is functioning with the disassociation of these subtle aspects, the experience is that of pure consciousness or bliss consciousness. So the last experience that the body can give will be of bliss consciousness when the subtle body starts disassociating itself and drops off. This is the time of death. So the death of an enlightened man is just the same phenomenon of transcending and gaining transcendental consciousness. Whereas in the case of others who have not experienced the inner man's disassociation from the body-who have never experienced that-then it is a very terrible thing for the eyesight to disassociate itself from the eyes. It's a very terrible thing for the sense of touch to disassociate itself from the hands. Like that. Very terrible
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
A guy who called into Thom Hartmann's show said he attended one of the Drinking Liberals gatherings and found that they didn't want to discuss the economic situation because they all had jobs! So much for the Drinking Liberals thing which was Thom's idea for a counter to the Tea Party. That's the problem is that people who are working and getting an income are burying their heads in the sand. The demographics this round on unemployment show that many well educated and experience people at the white collar level are unemployed. And those in the blue collar areas who do grunt jobs that anyone supposedly can do aren't paying attention either. And we have the rest of the world screaming at us because they got scammed with our banksters derivatives. Those should have never been legal to begin with. But why should ordinary Americans be stuck with the banksters bill? On 08/04/2011 07:26 AM, Denise Evans wrote: I agree - seems like consciousness and compassion are completely missing and demonizing has set in, consistent with one of the key criteria of ideological warfare. It is true that we seem far from that as a society, but with consciousness, anything is possible... And so there... Maybe a less dumbed down society would suffice. The US establishment has made quite an effort to keep the US public docile. --- On Wed, 8/3/11, Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: F
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: I agree - seems like consciousness and compassion are completely missing and demonizing has set in, consistent with one of the key criteria of ideological warfare. Well, except that compassion is the very basis of Democratic ideology. Kind of a catch-22 for those for whom compassion is a core value: It's hard to show compassion for folks whose ideology makes a virtue of *lack* of compassion and who want to eliminate compassion from public policy. Those who lack compassion, on the other hand, don't face a similar conflict between their ideals and the urge to demonize their ideological opponents. The ideology of Libertarian selfishness makes me too pissed off to find compassion in my core values for them. They should all go live in Somalia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here. The save counts, I missed it too. BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the oppression of women, and you love it don't you? You love your ancient texts full of superstitions because you are a superstitious boy yourself, aren't you now? You are a bad thinking, a bad bad thinker, your thinking is bad and you are wrong but you don't care because you don't love knowledge, you just want to protect your special class of ideas that you hold for bad, bad, dirty reasons. Now tell me you love your masters, all of them, including Sai Baba, say you love Sai Baba and you believe in the second coming of Maitreya and crop circles as alien messages and the hairy monstrous bigfoot (not Bevan)and you believe that John Hegelin has proven scientifically, beyond any doubt, that the chilled-out feeling in meditation IS the basis for the universe, and you believe it because you feel it is right in your dirty, dirty, illogical mind. And you love disco too. You love the pounding beat like a cranial jackhammer pounding in the rhythms of the night.And you eat at McDonalds more than Jason Spurlock did for that 30 days because you hate to cook. Wow! I'm just glad I didn't admit that outside my own head. That is not the kind of confession I would like to go into cyberspace for others to see...hey what is this button for that says send...ooops * * Thank you for your interest in our unique services, Curtis. Before you sign with us, please carefully read the fine print below: A: All of our services are unconditionally free, unlimited, and based upon our client's genuine willingness to receive, once you have unburdened yourself of all of your physical goods and chattels, estate(s) both real and personal, and prior metaphysical concepts and/or beliefs by charitable donation to us. B: You may try deducting any or all of your charitable donation(s) on your federal income-tax return, but we are not responsible for how the IRS decides to treat your deduction and, consequently, to treat you. For that matter, we cannot and shall not be held responsible for any aspect of your life, as defined by you, anywhere in any dimension at any time: past, present or future, real or imagined. C: In some circumstances and for as long as we deem necessary, we may also require other uncoerced donations, including but not limited to any or all of your time, energy, talents, emotions, health, relationships, reputation, self-esteem, and/or sanity, as conventionally defined. Depending upon the nature of your attachment(s), as determined by us, we may or may not return all or any of these donations, or any portion thereof, to you, should you decide to leave us at any time, or should we at any time decide to downsize you. Should such a decision on the part of either party become necessary, you will be responsible for forming your own exit strategies and/or finding or creating your own support-group to attempt a recovery. In re any responsibility on our part, please review Paragraph B, above. D: In return for your sizable donation(s) you will probably receive room, board, course credits, a modest living stipend, and a temporary set of working beliefs for as long as you continue to interest us, though we reserve the right to revoke any or all of these, temporarily or permanently, at any time for any reason, stated or unstated. If and when you no longer interest us, you're on your own. (See also paragraph C, above.) If your donations amount to $1,000,000 or more, you may also be required to wear ridiculous costumes in public and participate in other masochistic rituals, as we deem suitable. (Your signature here) As you probably have already heard, Curtis, we are a full-spectrum service, offering everything from the very highest-intensity mind-blowing ultraviolation down to the fundamentally warm and tingly infra-rediwhipping you mention above. But Curtis, we feel you would be wasting your talents as a client; with your multiple gifts of tongues, charisma, and dramaturgy, you really should consider working with us as an
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/03/2011 06:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Evans Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator There are many different methods for meditation. TM is a technique taught by Maharishi who was a Hindu. Nothing against it, as I haven't done it or paid to learn it, but it is based on an interpretation of Hinduism possibly somewhat unique to Maharishi from what I've gleaned from posts on these website. There are many ways to meditate that are free and published. But I think itâs noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. It says something about the efficacy of meditation. We don't know what would have happened if she would have tried a different form of meditation. It may have worked the same. Or not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: All this sounds vaguely familiar, I think I signed this exact document when I became a teacher! You left out the part of equitable relief if the contract (which we were not given a copy of) was broken. I appreciate your generous offer to join the staff of your fair and balanced services. I'm not sure I can ever commit to top or bottom however, so I remain too ambivalent to be effective in laying it on the customers. I would be the guy who would untie them and tell them to run, run like the wind, run Forest run! Excellent rap Rory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here. The save counts, I missed it too. BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the oppression of women, and you love it don't you? You love your ancient texts full of superstitions because you are a superstitious boy yourself, aren't you now? You are a bad thinking, a bad bad thinker, your thinking is bad and you are wrong but you don't care because you don't love knowledge, you just want to protect your special class of ideas that you hold for bad, bad, dirty reasons. Now tell me you love your masters, all of them, including Sai Baba, say you love Sai Baba and you believe in the second coming of Maitreya and crop circles as alien messages and the hairy monstrous bigfoot (not Bevan)and you believe that John Hegelin has proven scientifically, beyond any doubt, that the chilled-out feeling in meditation IS the basis for the universe, and you believe it because you feel it is right in your dirty, dirty, illogical mind. And you love disco too. You love the pounding beat like a cranial jackhammer pounding in the rhythms of the night.And you eat at McDonalds more than Jason Spurlock did for that 30 days because you hate to cook. Wow! I'm just glad I didn't admit that outside my own head. That is not the kind of confession I would like to go into cyberspace for others to see...hey what is this button for that says send...ooops * * Thank you for your interest in our unique services, Curtis. Before you sign with us, please carefully read the fine print below: A: All of our services are unconditionally free, unlimited, and based upon our client's genuine willingness to receive, once you have unburdened yourself of all of your physical goods and chattels, estate(s) both real and personal, and prior metaphysical concepts and/or beliefs by charitable donation to us. B: You may try deducting any or all of your charitable donation(s) on your federal income-tax return, but we are not responsible for how the IRS decides to treat your deduction and, consequently, to treat you. For that matter, we cannot and shall not be held responsible for any aspect of your life, as defined by you, anywhere in any dimension at any time: past, present or future, real or imagined. C: In some circumstances and for as long as we deem necessary, we may also require other uncoerced donations, including but not limited to any or all of your time, energy, talents, emotions, health, relationships, reputation, self-esteem, and/or sanity, as conventionally defined. Depending upon the nature of your attachment(s), as determined by us, we may or may not return all or any of these donations, or any portion thereof, to you, should you decide to leave us at any time, or should we at any time decide to downsize you. Should such a decision on the part of either party become necessary, you will be responsible for forming your own exit strategies and/or finding or creating your own support-group to attempt a recovery. In re any responsibility on our part, please review Paragraph B, above. D: In return for your sizable donation(s) you will probably receive room, board, course credits, a modest living stipend, and a temporary set of working beliefs for as long as you continue to interest us, though we reserve the right to revoke any or all of these, temporarily or permanently, at any time for any reason, stated or unstated. If and when you no
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:26 PM, raunchydog wrote: But I think it’s noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. It says something about the efficacy of meditation. We don't know what would have happened if she would have tried a different form of meditation. It may have worked the same. Or not. The sign of a truly spiritual person: wishing failure on others if they dare to try something else, even in theory. I do find it interesting that even in a discussion of a hypothetical~~concerning a person who has already started TM and found it beneficial, no less~~that rd is so brainwashed she can't even admit to the possibility that any other brand of meditation could have any value. Way to go, rd. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Rightthe core ideology...which is why I am a Democrat. Â But, I do think that the Democratic party machine...at least the money grubbing/raising part has sold out to a similar degree. Â After receiving way too many requests for money with attendant emails (targeted towards our baser instincts that reflected the back and forth slander and sniping)...I eliminated myself from the list. Â Two sides of the same coinwhere is the Democratic party? Where indeed? A sizable number of people thought Obama would lead us to a restoration of Democratic ideals. Many of those who paid closer attention to what he actually said during the primary campaign than to his aura and their own hopes were dubious. And when we voiced our doubts, we were scorned and despised. Somebody once said that the ugliest four words in the English language are I told you so. Well, too bad. We told you so, dammit. Is it possible to restructure from a new set of small parties (as was mentioned). Â Isn't this what the Koch brothers did for the Republican's and now we have the Tee Hee Party to add insanity to the mix. --- On Thu, 8/4/11, authfriend jstein@... wrote: From: authfriend jstein@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 8:29 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: I agree - seems like consciousness and compassion are completely missing and demonizing has set in, consistent with one of the key criteria of ideological warfare. Well, except that compassion is the very basis of Democratic ideology. Kind of a catch-22 for those for whom compassion is a core value: It's hard to show compassion for folks whose ideology makes a virtue of *lack* of compassion and who want to eliminate compassion from public policy. Those who lack compassion, on the other hand, don't face a similar conflict between their ideals and the urge to demonize their ideological opponents.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:26 PM, raunchydog wrote: But I think itâs noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. It says something about the efficacy of meditation. We don't know what would have happened if she would have tried a different form of meditation. It may have worked the same. Or not. The sign of a truly spiritual person: wishing failure on others if they dare to try something else, even in theory. I do find it interesting that even in a discussion of a hypothetical~~concerning a person who has already started TM and found it beneficial, no less~~that rd is so brainwashed she can't even admit to the possibility that any other brand of meditation could have any value. Way to go, rd. You'll have to forgive Stupid Sal; she has trouble grasping the meaning of long, complicated words like or.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: A few hours of dying, having the senses removed and all that, especially if you are habituated to loosing everything during real meditations anyway is nothing compared to having to spend 9 months in a dark and damp place only to be pushed out through a slimy, bloodful channel into a place full of bright lights where the people babble in a language you don't even understand. I can die anytime. But being born, not so much. Belly Button Window http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGuzvPpTCggfeature=related The sound of a rare american genius, so prematurely passing on. Hendrix never stops surprising, this text is beautiful. Thanks for posting this PaliGap ! It would be interesting, regarding the rescent discussion on FFL on Jyotish if a future bithdate and place could be predicted. Since most of the FFL'ers are getting on timewise, I suppose this would interest more than myself. Anyone knows about this ?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Masked Zebra responds to seventhray1: When I skimmed the post regarding Maharishi's talk about dying, it rekindled the feeling I had that drew me into this knowledge. BlahBlah, snip, BlahBlah, more snip. Robin, again you fall into your own trap. Why not keep it simple. You could say; Maharishi was a clown, but I'm brilliant ! Something like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
Denise Evans: Two sides of the same coin... Well, it's a difference in what is right. On the one side you have people who think the purpose of government is to redistribute wealth, to make everyone economically equal, and to be able determine that nobody get more than anyone else. On the other hand, there are the people who believe that it is right to be able to take advantage of economic opportunity, to work for more, and to own what they earn, and keep it, without having to give part of it away to others who do not work for their income. One is morally right, the other is immoral. In my opinion, free enterprise is right and moral, and communism and socialism are immoral.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Masked Zebra responds to seventhray1: When I skimmed the post regarding Maharishi's talk about dying, it rekindled the feeling I had that drew me into this knowledge. BlahBlah, snip, BlahBlah, more snip. Robin, again you fall into your own trap. Why not keep it simple. You could say; Maharishi was a clown, but I'm brilliant ! Something like this. RESPONSE: But no, nablusoss1008, it was the reverse: Maharishi as brilliant, I was the clown. I would like to *think* I was up to Maharishi now [but I am probably not], and as I indicated in that post to seventhray1, I would seek out a major confrontation with himin his physical presence. Nothing but the act of standing up to him, and especially his *context* could produce the final deliverance from him that I am still seeking. None of us were able to do this. It seemed the universe itself would not let us. No, Maharishi will always be the most powerful and brilliant human being I have ever known, read about, heard of. He had everything. But for all that at bottom he was corrupt and deceived. I will never experiencewith any other persona love which even begins to command me the way my love for Maharishi commanded me. I still hold all of what he was in my consciousness, even as I have tried, as best I could, to extirpate what was the mystical deceit of Maharishi [from having an influence over me]. I could become at a touch more fanatically devoted to Maharishi and TM than even Bevan is. But I have control over myself now, and I know Maharishi was not the real thing (although in saying that, no one will ever, in my judgment, exceed Maharishi in terms of beauty, charm, wisdom, and a certain kind of original intelligence. To witness Maharishi in action for me I am sure was easily the equivalent of Peter witnessing Christ). But you see, Peter's Master *was* the real thing. Maharishi was not. I always feel this affection for someone who has remained as loyal as you have to the Master to whom I surrendered all of myself, Nablusoss. Your comments always have the ring of that perfect sincerity which I myself recognize, because you could be me, I have had to kill the clown in me, because that is what I became on that mountain in September '76. Why a clown, Robin? Because by becoming enlightened, at some level I was being mocked by the devas, the intelligences that had prayed to so desperately that finally they relented, and made me enlightened. I write the way I do, nablusoss1008, because this is my way of getting rid of all the vestiges of my clowned-ness. Thank you for your honest and sincere reaction to my posts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: snip If, as Maharishi says, one can dispense with the agony of death through getting identified with transcendental consciousness, why should it not be conceivable in principle to do the same thing when one is getting bornassuming that one haspotentiallyaccess to the memory of doing TM in a previous life? Minor quibble: If transcending makes death easier because one has practiced separation of mind/soul from body, wouldn't birth be the opposite--mind/soul coming together with body? And wouldn't that be the equivalent, not of transcending, but of stress release--which, as we know, can be unpleasant?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
On 08/04/2011 10:26 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 08/03/2011 06:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Evans Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator There are many different methods for meditation. TM is a technique taught by Maharishi who was a Hindu. Nothing against it, as I haven't done it or paid to learn it, but it is based on an interpretation of Hinduism possibly somewhat unique to Maharishi from what I've gleaned from posts on these website. There are many ways to meditate that are free and published. But I think it’s noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. It says something about the efficacy of meditation. We don't know what would have happened if she would have tried a different form of meditation. It may have worked the same. Or not. Yup, other techniques may work better and definitely safer. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] ZomGas 7 (could be a visa for Jesus - was Zombie in my Gas Tank)
Tom, On behalf of the Producers, thank you for this. I think you're on to something with Jesus slipping in as an IT worker. Certainly he would not have to fool with his appearance. My only tweak is that I think its been established that Paul The Apostle had an overactive pineal gland producing too much DMT. From: Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:30:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ZomGas 7 (could be a visa for Jesus - was Zombie in my Gas Tank) On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: Since one of our favourite Canadians is feeling too delicate to be interviewed on ZomGas the producers have decided that our very favourite Jew, Jesus of Nazareth, is more than up to taking his place in the exalted number 7 spot. For something different we've decided 12 answers following by 3 questions might be the ticket. Anyone wishing to provide questions to the answers or answers to the questions is encouraged to do so. If you pretend to be ignoring us we reserve the right to provide questions and answers in a later episode. 12 Answers: 1. Love Me ever. 2. Tolerance Is for other people. 3. Money Makes misery a whole lot more bearable. 4. America Got watches over fools, little children, drunks and the United States of America. America is a democracy. In a democracy a rich man have an equal right to sleep under a bridge at night. 5. God Is everywhere except in Arkansas and parts of Pasadena, Texas. 6. Hinduism Is ever born anew. 7. The Pope Dresses like a Raja. 8. Young Children Are cute and fun since they're somebody else's problem. 9. Newfoundland Nice place. 10. Summa Theologica I read it in 9th grade and many times since then. Scheiße. 11. Paul the Apostle Never met Jesus. Did peyote on a trip. One of the many people who's gospels should not have been included into the Bible. My codex, in Nag Hammadi, where I've spent many days and worked not far away, should have been included. 12. The US Dollar Will prevail. The Euro will self-destruct. We need to default on all debt to China as they acquired it under false pretenses, by keeping the Yuan at an artificially low exchange rate compared to other currencies. 3 Questions: 1. If Jesus arrived at the US Mexican border would he be given a visa? Yes, he would. I've had friends who worked most of the year out of the country. Most of my US colleagues lived in Pittsburgh, so they flew into Montreal then got a ride back into the US, not having to show their passport when crossing the border. That way on holiday they still had their 330 days working out of the country. Some colleagues lived in Texas. They drove to Mexico, got a visa (and their passport stamped) and when about to go back as expat went back across the border and when entering, asked to have their passports stamped by US Immigration. Plus the Mexicans are into Jesus in a big way through they like Mary better. PES 14,000 will get even Christ a visa. Problem is, when someone yells out Jusus, a hundred guys will answer. 2. If Jesus arrived at the US Mexican boader would he consider himself a Christian? He ever considered himself a Jew. He came to fulfill the prophecy and the Law. But he never called himself the Christ. 3. If I took a car abondoned by the roadside due its driver experiencing The Rapture would that be considered stealing in the biblical sense? The rapture was made up by some dude in the 1800s who found a passage reading about Jesus and his followers being in the clouds. Sort of like Maharishi and those in the TMO and the TBs here on FFL. Hmm. Will there be a Vedic Rapture?
[FairfieldLife] Stocks Plunge as Economic Worries Continue
The US national chart shows the effects of the latest Congressional decision to raise the government debt-limit. The negative public sentiment of the political squabbling is a reflection of Rahu being debilitated in Scorpio, the field of expenditures and losses. As such, Scorpio gives a malefic aspect or rashi dhristi to Aries, the field of investments. Thus, we are experiencing a massive selloff in Wall Street. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Stocks-slump-as-economic-apf-169769799.html?x=
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ZomGas 7 (could be a visa for Jesus - was Zombie in my Gas Tank)
Steve, I think we're all in agreement that next time around Jesus will be a Mexican. Only tweak, Peter started the Catholic Church like Paul Allen started Microsoft. From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 8:05:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ZomGas 7 (could be a visa for Jesus - was Zombie in my Gas Tank) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Since one of our favourite Canadians is feeling too delicate to be interviewed on ZomGas the producers have decided that our very favourite Jew, Jesus of Nazareth, is more than up to taking his place in the exalted number 7 spot. For something different we've decided 12 answers following by 3 questions might be the ticket. Anyone wishing to provide questions to the answers or answers to the questions is encouraged to do so. If you pretend to be ignoring us we reserve the right to provide questions and answers in a later episode. 12 Answers: 1. Love What's Mike's last name? 2. Tolerance What is social lubricant? 3. Money What is close to Being? 4. America What is the name of reincarnated Rome? 5. God What is doG spelled backward? 6. Hinduism What does Vaj get a hard on about? 7. The Pope What is the title sometimes given to the head of Greenwich Villiage? 8. Young Children Who often get loaded with issues pertaining to divorce? (can't speak from experience) 9. Newfoundland What is a breed of dog? 10. Summa Theologica What is the name of a religious treatise probably no one has heard of? 11. Paul the ApostleWhat is the name of the goy who started the Catholic Church? (Okay, I meant to write guy, but it came out wrong. I will let it stand. Also, my wife and son just advise me that it was Peter who started the Catholic Church. Okay.) 12. The US Dollar What are people drinking rum and Coca Cola, and working for, if you substitute Yankee for US? 3 Questions: 1. If Jesus arrived at the US Mexican border would he be given a visa? Yes, because Jesus is a common Mexican name, although pronounced differently there. 2. If Jesus arrived at the US Mexican boader would he consider himself a Christian? This we don't know. We think so, though. 3. If I took a car abondoned by the roadside due its driver experiencing The Rapture would that be considered stealing in the biblical sense?No, but the more important question would be would you then know the car in the biblical sense.
[FairfieldLife] St. Francis Xavier trashes Hindu idols of Goa
Definitely bad karma on his part, especially if the idols were images of Ganesh or Kali. (the latter would be less unforgiving than the former). Catholocism in its present form is doomed to extinction. http://www.lightomatic.com/images/goa_trash/ .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
Doesn't sound like you are a candidate for being born again :) --- On Thu, 8/4/11, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 10:48 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: A few hours of dying, having the senses removed and all that, especially if you are habituated to loosing everything during real meditations anyway is nothing compared to having to spend 9 months in a dark and damp place only to be pushed out through a slimy, bloodful channel into a place full of bright lights where the people babble in a language you don't even understand. I can die anytime. But being born, not so much. Belly Button Window http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGuzvPpTCggfeature=related The sound of a rare american genius, so prematurely passing on. Hendrix never stops surprising, this text is beautiful. Thanks for posting this PaliGap ! It would be interesting, regarding the rescent discussion on FFL on Jyotish if a future bithdate and place could be predicted. Since most of the FFL'ers are getting on timewise, I suppose this would interest more than myself. Anyone knows about this ?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: snip Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: snip If, as Maharishi says, one can dispense with the agony of death through getting identified with transcendental consciousness, why should it not be conceivable in principle to do the same thing when one is getting bornassuming that one haspotentiallyaccess to the memory of doing TM in a previous life? Minor quibble: If transcending makes death easier because one has practiced separation of mind/soul from body, wouldn't birth be the opposite--mind/soul coming together with body? And wouldn't that be the equivalent, not of transcending, but of stress release--which, as we know, can be unpleasant? Judy, I think I understand you perfectly here, and I yield to you on this point (as you have interpreted me). I would say, however, that I had originally wanted to compare death to *conception*, because this (we are speaking about a reality which none of us knows anything about: death, conception) circumstance has everything to do with the person we are going to be. Conception is where God is determining who we are going to be; so, in this sense, he is nearest us. (As well has forming the person we are, he also *starts to make us exist*.) Same with death: as I see, intuit it, it we come face-to- with the Person who first created usand gave us the free will to make of ourselves what we would (I go along with Aquinas here and believe God has a perfect knowledge of not only the determined future, but the contingent future (what might or might not happenespecially as this concerns our free willand therefore he already knows what we will do with our free will). We, as it were, come into the presence of the author of the very self that we are (that omnisubjectivity I have referred to: the sense of being an I that reflects the internal reality of God himself, who, in my way of thinking about it, is very much an Iand a person). This will be an unspeakable, inexpressible reality, because imagine meeting the person who designed your innermost sense of who you are. Well, that's what I believe happens at death: you meet the Person who created you. Now things are different in what I have deemed a post-Catholic universe: I doubt there is the same Judgment thing going on; nevertheless I don't doubt the actual circumstance is the same, viz. you will meet the person who created the person that you are, and the person that you are in seeing and knowing God for the first time. Intimate: that doesn't even begin to describe it. So, then, Judy, if I could somewhere compare death to conception, I would have done this, but it seemed a more intelligible and accessible idea to compare death to birth. But, as I say, I tend to go along with you, although I think the mind/soul coming together with body had already happened. What is traumatic and powerful is going from the womb into the physical universe. We may, none of us, have ever completely got over *that* even if we do not, evidently, have the capacity to remember it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noah wayback71@... wrote: In a nutshell, what Maharishi said is that it is the transition after death that is rougher for someone whose nervous system has not been practiced at transcending. Once that transition (supposedly about 3 days) from having a body to not having a body is over, the soul does whatever it does. In the TM paradigm, it is good to think loving and positive thoughts about the recently deceased so as to help them along through the confusion of a few days duration that supposedly arises when the body is lost. MMY said a sudden death could be more confusing than one in which a person was aging or ill and had time to begin to let go. MMY never in my hearing made it sound as if only TM'ers would do well after death or in their next incarnation. Just that TM helped that individual be more much evolved than they would be otherwise. So this differs from a Baptist viewpoint that Jesus is the only way, or TM is the only way. MMY was very clear that in his opinion TM was the Best meditation of all for many reasons. He did credit Yogananda's Kriya Yoga as being a valid technique, altho much slower in its effects than TM. Really, MMY did not talk much about life after death, or dying, given all the thousands of hours of lectures he gave. Well said Wayback ! I do remeber one inscident when Maharishi was asked by a nurse who was attending to dying people on a daily basis. The tape is there, does anyone remember ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Doesn't sound like you are a candidate for being born again :) Did you read my post ? Thougt so !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
Most of these organization have been taken over by political junkies who think politics 24/7. They think we all need to be activists 24/7. As I said recently that is why we have a representative form of government: so we don't have to be political junkies 24/7. If we had good representative government then we could afford to send them money but then they wouldn't need to be asking for it either. Funny aside about FFL. When things get really serious outside the spiritual dilettantes here bury their heads in the sand by waxing nostalgia about their Maharishi days or was it daze? You can see it right now. On 08/04/2011 08:42 AM, Denise Evans wrote: Rightthe core ideology...which is why I am a Democrat. But, I do think that the Democratic party machine...at least the money grubbing/raising part has sold out to a similar degree. After receiving way too many requests for money with attendant emails (targeted towards our baser instincts that reflected the back and forth slander and sniping)...I eliminated myself from the list. Two sides of the same coinwhere is the Democratic party? Is it possible to restructure from a new set of small parties (as was mentioned). Isn't this what the Koch brothers did for the Republican's and now we have the Tee Hee Party to add insanity to the mix.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ZomGas 7 (could be a visa for Jesus - was Zombie in my Gas Tank)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Steve, I think we're all in agreement that next time around Jesus will be a Mexican. This reminds me of a bit by Mort Sahl. He was doing a comedy riff on the bishop at Grace Cathedral in San Francisco having to phone the Vatican because Christ had shown up. He was asking advice on what to do about him. In the comedy bit we could only hear the Bishop's side of the conversation [from memory, and thus almost certainly not word for word]: Yes, I'm pretty sure it's him. Wounds on the wrists, loads of charisma. It's him. [ Silence, as if the Bishop is listening to the Pope's response ] Of course he's white! Only tweak, Peter started the Catholic Church like Paul Allen started Microsoft. Good line. Although I should point out that Paul Allen retired in New Mexico, where Microsoft was first started. He is viewed as a great neighbor and a wonderful person. Bill Gates would never have been able to go back to New Mexico because when he decided to move the company to Bellevue he ran out on most of the company's New Mexico debts, and left without paying hundreds of creditors there. In all the years since -- and with all of the success he's enjoyed since -- it has never occurred to him to go back and pay those outstanding debts. New Mexicans have never forgotten that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
You define the argument in terms of assuming those who do not think like you are automatically socialist...sounds fear-based and extremist. ...and yours as a very reasonable one. Your position involves the assumption that you are being forced to give away your money to those who do not work for their income. Also a fairly extremist statementjust so you knowdon't include me in that category. I simply say, that you enjoy all the benefits of federal parks, for example. Perhaps you'd like to contribute to their maintenance? Is there no common ground? I doubt that you would like to earn and keep all that you have earned living in one of the lawless countries with a failed government. --- On Thu, 8/4/11, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 11:27 AM Denise Evans: Two sides of the same coin... Well, it's a difference in what is right. On the one side you have people who think the purpose of government is to redistribute wealth, to make everyone economically equal, and to be able determine that nobody get more than anyone else. On the other hand, there are the people who believe that it is right to be able to take advantage of economic opportunity, to work for more, and to own what they earn, and keep it, without having to give part of it away to others who do not work for their income. One is morally right, the other is immoral. In my opinion, free enterprise is right and moral, and communism and socialism are immoral.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
On 08/04/2011 11:27 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Denise Evans: Two sides of the same coin... Well, it's a difference in what is right. On the one side you have people who think the purpose of government is to redistribute wealth, to make everyone economically equal, and to be able determine that nobody get more than anyone else. What about just reining in the disparity in income levels. We don't need any stinkin' billionaires. On the other hand, there are the people who believe that it is right to be able to take advantage of economic opportunity, to work for more, and to own what they earn, and keep it, without having to give part of it away to others who do not work for their income. Their ability to do that often came from publicly funded education, government agencies that allowed them to set up a business and maybe even keep someone else from unfairly keeping them out of business. The commons isn't free but it need not be expensive either. Or do you want to pay some evil lord a toll for driving down the highway? Beside just working hard is not going to make you rich. It usually just makes one tired. :-D Oh, but I forgot you are just one lottery ticket away from becoming a billionaire. :-D :-D One is morally right, the other is immoral. In my opinion, free enterprise is right and moral, and communism and socialism are immoral. The bed of free enterprise has been soiled by the dogs who championed it. Now it is collapsing. Enjoy communism, Willy. You'll be living under corporate communism very soon (or maybe we already are).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ZomGas 7 (could be a visa for Jesus - was Zombie in my Gas Tank)
Thanks for this. I love Mort Sahl! Since Peter was crucified in Rome I wonder if he left any bad credit card debt back in Palestine? If he did, knowing VISA, they're still sending over due notices. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 12:25:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ZomGas 7 (could be a visa for Jesus - was Zombie in my Gas Tank) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Steve, I think we're all in agreement that next time around Jesus will be a Mexican. This reminds me of a bit by Mort Sahl. He was doing a comedy riff on the bishop at Grace Cathedral in San Francisco having to phone the Vatican because Christ had shown up. He was asking advice on what to do about him. In the comedy bit we could only hear the Bishop's side of the conversation [from memory, and thus almost certainly not word for word]: Yes, I'm pretty sure it's him. Wounds on the wrists, loads of charisma. It's him. [ Silence, as if the Bishop is listening to the Pope's response ] Of course he's white! Only tweak, Peter started the Catholic Church like Paul Allen started Microsoft. Good line. Although I should point out that Paul Allen retired in New Mexico, where Microsoft was first started. He is viewed as a great neighbor and a wonderful person. Bill Gates would never have been able to go back to New Mexico because when he decided to move the company to Bellevue he ran out on most of the company's New Mexico debts, and left without paying hundreds of creditors there. In all the years since -- and with all of the success he's enjoyed since -- it has never occurred to him to go back and pay those outstanding debts. New Mexicans have never forgotten that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
It may have worked the same. Or not. Bhairitu: Yup, other techniques may work better and definitely safer. Nope, I've tried at least seventeen different techniques and none work better or are safer, definitely. TM is simply the best and top-most meditation technique on the planet, and the fastest - enlightenment in 5-7 years, if not instantly.
[FairfieldLife] Amma and Amma
I read this and thought HI think I was expecting more of a Karunamayi feel instead of the Mata feel, which may have contributed to my aftershock - although, while I will never be a devotee, I have come to think of my visit as a gift and I hold no ill will...just skepticism re: the effect of celebrity on guru and a few other things. http://webhome.idirect.com/~aum108/amma.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul coming to Fairfield Tues Aug 9th! - Please forward widely
On the one side you have people who think the purpose of government is to redistribute wealth, to make everyone economically equal, and to be able determine that nobody get more than anyone else. Bhairitu: What about just reining in the disparity in income levels. You don't have the right to tell anyone what they can earn and what they can keep -it's their money. We don't need any stinkin' billionaires. Everyone should be a billionaire, if they earn it. One is morally right, the other is immoral. In my opinion, free enterprise is right and moral, and communism and socialism are immoral. The bed of free enterprise has been soiled by the dogs who championed it... If you don't like it , why not move to Cuba? We don't need any more free-loaders in this country! All we need is good paying jobs so that everyone can pay their own way, and donate to charity if they want to. That's the ticket, not to take from those that have to give to those who don't have. One thing we could do to cut the spending is to get the government out of the school business and to cut all foreign aid. Save a trillion or two.
[FairfieldLife] Let me go; Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ft23qDRmOofeature=related Going is a natural theme. Does Jyotish have a technology to reveal when to come into this world ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuThNm_iLRsfeature=related Jimi on Born under a bad sign I guess the socalled Buddhists helped him in his understanding of suicide. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuThNm_iLRsfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] An American Ghandarva playing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuThNm_iLRsfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let me go; Jimi Hendrix
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ft23qDRmOofeature=related No way! That's never Jimi - unless he was twiddling in his sleep? Going is a natural theme. Does Jyotish have a technology to reveal when to come into this world ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuThNm_iLRsfeature=related Yeah, that is. Thanks! Jimi on Born under a bad sign I guess the socalled Buddhists helped him in his understanding of suicide.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stocks Plunge as Economic Worries Continue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: The US national chart shows the effects of the latest Congressional decision to raise the government debt-limit. The negative public sentiment of the political squabbling is a reflection of Rahu being debilitated in Scorpio, the field of expenditures and losses. As such, Scorpio gives a malefic aspect or rashi dhristi to Aries, the field of investments. Thus, we are experiencing a massive selloff in Wall Street. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Stocks-slump-as-economic-apf-169769799.html?x= Yep, and the testosterone levels of (naked) short sellers go through the roof? LoL! Those who here in Finland are called 'bullero-s or tuulipuku-s (wind-suits: inexperienced investors, or stuff), loose huge amounts of money in favor of short sellers??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stocks Plunge as Economic Worries Continue
Thus, we are experiencing a massive selloff in Wall Street. cardemaister: Those who here in Finland are called 'bullero-s or tuulipuku-s (wind-suits: inexperienced investors, or stuff), loose huge amounts of money in favor of short sellers?? Around here, we just call it our 401K. But, Bhairitu wants to give even that away to the government! Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let me go; Jimi Hendrix
Voodoo Child: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF2ZqlPNuqU nablusoss: Jimi on Born under a bad sign...
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi and Jimi Hendrix
During the mid 80's an american was asked to pick up Maharishi at the Delhi airport. During the ride Maharishi noticed the driver had tapes lying on the right seat and asked to put on the music. The american said it is nothing, I suppose he was ashamed of listening to hard rock. Again Maharishi asked him to put on the tape. The fellow said no, trying to gain time. Mahaharishi asked the fellow for the 3'rd time to put on the tape, he insisted on hearing the tape. Hearing the tape to it's end Maharishi said; This is the beautiful voice of Kali Yuga Jimi did just that, he summed up not just a generation with his music but a whole Yuga Now Kali Yuga is gone. But Jimi lives ! Jai Guru Dev http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuThNm_iLRsfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stocks Plunge as Economic Worries Continue
On 08/04/2011 01:25 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Thus, we are experiencing a massive selloff in Wall Street. cardemaister: Those who here in Finland are called 'bullero-s or tuulipuku-s (wind-suits: inexperienced investors, or stuff), loose huge amounts of money in favor of short sellers?? Around here, we just call it our 401K. But, Bhairitu wants to give even that away to the government! Go figure. Where did I say that? Stop making things up.
[FairfieldLife] Dog Park at Lamson Woods?
Forwarded from a friend: Greetings Friends! As you know, the theme of tomorrow's Art Walk is Bark in the Park, and among the many dog-centered activities of the evening there will be fundraising for the proposed off-leash dog park. As you may know, Parks Rec and the dog park committee had been making serious plans to construct the dog park in the open lawn area adjacent to Lamson Woods State Preserve, in SE Fairfield near the golf course. Many people, though not at all opposed to a dog park per se, are strongly opposed to placing the dog park in a high quality natural area like Lamson Woods. Recent letters to the editor in the Ledger addressed this controversy. At a meeting held at City Hall on August 26th [July 26th?],the dog park committee presented to the public their imminent plans to start the construction of the dog park at Lamson Woods, and many people in the audience expressed their strong opposition to this location. Based on this, the City is presently looking more seriously into alternative sites. Lamson Woods has not been ruled out, however, and should that continue to be the site of choice, the final decision will be made by the City Council (rather than the Parks Rec Board). In order to have this decision reflect wide community input, please contact your City Council person and at-large representatives (see link below). Let them know what you think about this issue! Thank you! http://cityoffairfieldiowa.com/Public/TheCity/CityCouncil/Members/index.cfmhttp://cityoffairfieldiowa.com/Public/TheCity/CityCouncil/Members/index.cfm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
Reply to Lawson (sparaig) via Judy's (authfriend) post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 1, 2011, at 4:10 PM, sparaig wrote: Of course, the only research on TM they cite in that book is from 25 years ago, so one assumes that they are also quoting the descriptions of pure consciousness in the research done 25 years ago. Not true Lawson, they used research up to 2004! And they used what little was needed and of decent quality. It doesn't take volumes to show what the relaxation response occurring in TM looks like. I think your problem is you let yourself be wowed that something special is happening. Real neuroscientists aren't as easily fooled. They can do all the research they want and fudge all the data they want: we already know what is. http://www.mbcttrainingen.nl/Resources/Meditation%20and% 20Neuroscience.pdf They cite a theoretical paper by Travis and Wallace from 2004, and a book on the EEG of meditation published in 1987. Everything else is older than that. My point still stands: the studies cited are from 25 years ago. That's because TM has been around that long. Good science doesn't need to be repeated if it was done right the first time. So they leave the first good science as that is sufficient. If it's BS, they're better off leaving it. I guess you could say 'it's ship has sailed'. We know what it is and there's not much more to be said at this late date. This is meaningless babble designed to obscure the fact that Vaj is attempting to mislead. Lawson is correct about the dates of the TM studies discussed by the researchers Vaj cites. They cited only the early TM research on the EEG signature of pure consciousness and ignored everything done after that. The single later study they cited is in a different category entirely, and their citation of it does not disprove what Lawson said. The abstract of that study is here if anyone is interested: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810004000212 The point is that TM researchers have continually refined their methodology over the years. The researchers Vaj touts dismissed the early studies as not definitive, but there's no indication in their paper that they looked at the later, post-1985 studies to see whether those studies had more definitive findings as a result of the improved methodology. Vaj has claimed in other posts, and implies above, that his researchers didn't mention or cite the later studies because they found those studies no more definitive than the earlier ones, but of course one can't make that assumption. It's entirely possible that his researchers *did* look at the later studies and didn't discuss them because they *were* more definitive and couldn't be dismissed so easily. The tell in the study Vaj touts that his researchers at the very least did not understand what TM involves is this statement: The initial claim that TM produces a unique state of consciousness different than sleep has been refuted by several EEG meditation studies which reported sleep-like stages during this technique with increased alpha and then theta power. Of course the EEG findings of sleep-like stages during TM practice does *not* refute the claim that TM produces a unique state of consciousness. Nowhere does TM claim that this unique state is found *throughout* the TM meditation period, to the contrary. One hopes this was an inadvertent straw man, not a deliberate attempt by the researchers to mislead. But even if inadvertent, as noted, that this statement was made at all indicates that Vaj's researchers do not have a good grasp of what TM *does* claim. And this in turn calls into question how well they understand what the TM studies are attempting to show. Bottom line, Vaj's reliance on this study (the one in the Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness) as evidence that TM research is no good is maintained in bad faith. Vaj is correct in that well done science does not have to be repeated, but it is not always possible to know if that is the final say on a subject. Most of the studies on TM both my TM movement involved scientists and those outside of the movement are typically too small to definitively answer most questions. Characterising consciousness with physiological signatures is a tricky thing when no definition of what consciousness is or how it comes to be the way it is in experience is known. Many of the early studies on TM have been refuted, and I once heard MUM scientist Fred Travis say so many years ago, in the late 1990s. Dr Travis said that in light of the early studies being overturned, it was up to him to
[FairfieldLife] Adieu
Hi all, I guess I'll be signing off for now. Heartfelt thanks to all of you to whom thanks are due, you know who you are, and especially those who showed me generosity. A special thanks, again, to those who gave me résumé and job advice, I never thanked you individually. I may return, but feel the need to narrow down my vision to what may be my highest way forward now and, perhaps, too, that this forum may not be my forum anymore, though it certainly was till now, more so than most others I've engaged in recently (this being the only Internet forum I've ever joined, the others being movements of one stripe or another). I probably won't pull the plug for a few days, but, by Sunday or Monday, probably will. Love and blessings to all of you and all that is, m
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: snip and back to the first blogger, we have a report of a Wikipedia editor speaking of the troubles they were having with articles related to TM, with editors who came online removing all negative references to the practice and people in the organisation. The Wikipedia editor in question is Andrew Skolnick, who is even more violently biased against TM than Vaj. His description of what was going on with TM-related articles should be taken with a large saltshaker handy. As far as Skolnick is concerned, any negative reference to TM is one that should be preserved, regardless of its degree of accuracy. Just for one thing--I read a good deal of the editors' discussion on the main TM article--the TM editors weren't *removing* negative references they thought were excessive or exaggerated or wrong; they were bringing them up for discussion and *proposing* that they be removed, explaining the problems they saw. There may have been a few who just went ahead and deleted things without first obtaining a consensus of opinion, but most of what I saw involved considerable discussion of the pros and cons. There were as many TM critics as TM supporters among those who were discussing the page. Also, in case everyone isn't aware of it, anyone can edit a Wikipedia article; you don't have to have any special qualifications.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:20 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: The different experience of dying by the ignorant and the enlightened by Maharishi Another opinion: BlahBlahBlah Why use so many words ? All you had to say is Maharishi was an ignorant clown and I know much more abouth death and dying than him. Very well put, Nabby. In my religion (Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism) Maharishi is in Hell. He slung enough lies, showed endless avarice, was a non-believer, that I can't ask him questions, for he most assuredly is in Hell, where he'll spend eternity. If the Hindu view of things prevail, he's still in Hell because of the b.s. he pulled. So I can't communicate with him and ask him questions. Nor can I pray for him, as I can pray to shorten someone's stay in Limbo or Purgatory but not in Hell. Was Maharishi rent asunder and is no more? Good question. IMO, he did more harm than good, no matter what y'all and the TMO say. So he popularized the East, Meditation and the Vedas. And also explained that there was one true interpretation of all of these, his (SM), (TM). Another would/could have come along who didn't do as much harm, who wasn't filled with avarice and hate as he was. May he Rest In Pieces. BTW,. there was a Come to Jesus meeting in the Men's Dome today. Jeff Cohen was viciously attacked verbally by CPs. Jeff is being replaced by a committee.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/04/2011 10:26 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 08/03/2011 06:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Evans Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator There are many different methods for meditation. TM is a technique taught by Maharishi who was a Hindu. Nothing against it, as I haven't done it or paid to learn it, but it is based on an interpretation of Hinduism possibly somewhat unique to Maharishi from what I've gleaned from posts on these website. There are many ways to meditate that are free and published. But I think itâs noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. It says something about the efficacy of meditation. We don't know what would have happened if she would have tried a different form of meditation. It may have worked the same. Or not. Yup, other techniques may work better and definitely safer. Your evidence for this is...? L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
On 08/04/2011 03:51 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 08/04/2011 10:26 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 08/03/2011 06:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Evans Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator There are many different methods for meditation. TM is a technique taught by Maharishi who was a Hindu. Nothing against it, as I haven't done it or paid to learn it, but it is based on an interpretation of Hinduism possibly somewhat unique to Maharishi from what I've gleaned from posts on these website. There are many ways to meditate that are free and published. But I think it’s noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. It says something about the efficacy of meditation. We don't know what would have happened if she would have tried a different form of meditation. It may have worked the same. Or not. Yup, other techniques may work better and definitely safer. Your evidence for this is...? L. My experience and what Indian traditions have found down throughout the centuries. I used to check people who should not have learned TM. I took it that the teacher was so hard up for money they ignored the rules about teaching people with certain problems. I wound up checking some psychotics. The mantra shastra on this is that agni mantras are not for the public and yet they are taught in TM. And MMY started out teaching shanti mantras which ARE safe. But then so did every other guru. Guess he wanted to be different. The first technique is just a warm up since the second is a more traditional mantra though an agni mantra. Not to worry though. The TMO will have it's head in the clouds as the economy collapses and never adjust their prices. Hence no one except those with money to throw away will learn. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
thx, I believe (as a speculative hypothesis based on my limited psychic abilities...pending further corroboration); that MMY has been torn to countless pieces by Kali, and unlike some of the pieces coming back together (as in the Terminator movie), they are permanently torn asunder and separated for all time so that there will not be another Maharishi clone. For that reason, there have been very limited sightings of MMY's Celestial form, since it's been shredded by Kali. http://thepaganmomblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Hindu-kali.jpg ... Same fate as Sathya Sai Baba. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:20 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: The different experience of dying by the ignorant and the enlightened by Maharishi Another opinion: BlahBlahBlah Why use so many words ? All you had to say is Maharishi was an ignorant clown and I know much more abouth death and dying than him. Very well put, Nabby. In my religion (Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism) Maharishi is in Hell. He slung enough lies, showed endless avarice, was a non-believer, that I can't ask him questions, for he most assuredly is in Hell, where he'll spend eternity. If the Hindu view of things prevail, he's still in Hell because of the b.s. he pulled. So I can't communicate with him and ask him questions. Nor can I pray for him, as I can pray to shorten someone's stay in Limbo or Purgatory but not in Hell. Was Maharishi rent asunder and is no more? Good question. IMO, he did more harm than good, no matter what y'all and the TMO say. So he popularized the East, Meditation and the Vedas. And also explained that there was one true interpretation of all of these, his (SM), (TM). Another would/could have come along who didn't do as much harm, who wasn't filled with avarice and hate as he was. May he Rest In Pieces. BTW,. there was a Come to Jesus meeting in the Men's Dome today. Jeff Cohen was viciously attacked verbally by CPs. Jeff is being replaced by a committee.
[FairfieldLife] The Economy is So Bad...
The economys so bad, Exxon-Mobil laid off 25 Congressmen. The economy is so bad, that Martha Stewart did a show on creative uses for food stamps. The economy is so bad, Bill Gates had to switch to dial up. More here: http://www.badeconomyjobs.com/bad-economy-jokes/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: [...] Vaj is correct in that well done science does not have to be repeated, Excuse me?? That is the ANTITHESIS of science.Science that need not be repeated is repeated all the time in classrooms as examples of how to setup a study because the teacher knows the results ahead of time and doesn't want to confuse the student with ambiguous results. Science that isn't repeatable may also be well done within the context and era in which it was performed. Repeatability of an experiment is the very definition of science. If you can't replicate the outcome, it implies that the theory predicting the experimental outcome isn't so hot, but repeating science is what science is all about... especially the well done science. but it is not always possible to know if that is the final say on a subject. It is never possible in science to know if some experiment is the final say on a subject. In fact, the laws of science are called laws BECAUSE repeated experiments haven't found exceptions or if there are, these exist in the edge cases where the theory couldn't be tested when it was first introduced. E.G. Newton's Laws of Motion don't work at all in the context of a varying gravitation field and start to fall apart measurably as the relative velocities of objects start to approach the speed of light. Most of the studies on TM both my TM movement involved scientists and those outside of the movement are typically too small to definitively answer most questions. Leaving aside the term definitive, because because there is no such thing in science, you are correct: meditation studies are almost always too small to justify the hype given for them, whether it is a TM study, or a mindfulness study or whatever. Medical studies often have 100x as many subjects asthe largest meditation studies ever published. Characterising consciousness with physiological signatures is a tricky thing when no definition of what consciousness is or how it comes to be the way it is in experience is known. Many of the early studies on TM have been refuted, and I once heard MUM scientist Fred Travis say so many years ago, in the late 1990s. Dr Travis said that in light of the early studies being overturned, it was up to him to find out what the differences really are. Well early studies were poorly done, that is true but... For example Dr David Holmes tested experienced TM teachers and non-meditators to study arousal reducing effects, using better controlled conditions than Wallace and Benson used in their original research and found essentially no difference. Homles exposed his group to stressful situations and found the meditators did not do any better than the controls. This resulted in protests from the meditating community. Still Holmes only employed 20 people total in this study, so it should be considered preliminary, but what he did address was fixing the protocol that skewed the results of the original study. Sloppy protocol is responsible for skewing the results in many many experiments and is a particular problem with those who have heavily invested belief that the outcome should conform to a particular result. Holmes own meditation survey compared the results of 20 different studies on meditation, of which which only a few involved TM, and concluded that meditation, in general, had no difference in effect on metabolism than rest. His own study used only 10 people in the experimental group while one of the TM studies with a different finding used 50% or more more. Still very tiny, but the nature of stistics in small studies is that the fewer people used in a study, the more likely that small, but important effects would be missed. In fact, when you use a vote counting methodology as Holmes did for his survey of the literature, the odds of missing an important effect actually go DOWN as the number of studies increases, at least when only small studies are used. Holme's survey lumped the results of perhaps 5 or more different meditation techniques into one number, and the size of the studies ranged from 7 per subject to 30 per subject, with an average of less than 15 per study. In fact, IIRC, the largest TM study he cites actually DID show a difference in metabolism but his survey counted it as a no difference study. There were plenty of TM studies at that time that DID show a difference in metabolism, but the definitive study that convinced MIU researchers that they were on the wrong track was the study on metabolism in people reporting regular periods of pure consciousness. While there was often a marked reduction or even apparent suspension of breathing during pure consciousness, there was no change in O2 consumption, even for the people with the highest incidence of pure consciousness (breath suspension) episodes. This was completely different to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip and back to the first blogger, we have a report of a Wikipedia editor speaking of the troubles they were having with articles related to TM, with editors who came online removing all negative references to the practice and people in the organisation. The Wikipedia editor in question is Andrew Skolnick, who is even more violently biased against TM than Vaj. His description of what was going on with TM-related articles should be taken with a large saltshaker handy. As far as Skolnick is concerned, any negative reference to TM is one that should be preserved, regardless of its degree of accuracy. ANdrew accused me of reverting an entire section when I first came into Wikipedia. He appolgized after I pointed out that I didn't even know HOW to revert at that point in time so he double checked and sure-'nuff... Just for one thing--I read a good deal of the editors' discussion on the main TM article--the TM editors weren't *removing* negative references they thought were excessive or exaggerated or wrong; they were bringing them up for discussion and *proposing* that they be removed, explaining the problems they saw. There may have been a few who just went ahead and deleted things without first obtaining a consensus of opinion, but most of what I saw involved considerable discussion of the pros and cons. There were as many TM critics as TM supporters among those who were discussing the page. I was guilty of that at one point much more recently than anything ANdrew has complained about, as far as I know. Is he even still contributing to that wiki article? Also, in case everyone isn't aware of it, anyone can edit a Wikipedia article; you don't have to have any special qualifications. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/04/2011 03:51 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 08/04/2011 10:26 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 08/03/2011 06:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Evans Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator There are many different methods for meditation. TM is a technique taught by Maharishi who was a Hindu. Nothing against it, as I haven't done it or paid to learn it, but it is based on an interpretation of Hinduism possibly somewhat unique to Maharishi from what I've gleaned from posts on these website. There are many ways to meditate that are free and published. But I think itâs noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. It says something about the efficacy of meditation. We don't know what would have happened if she would have tried a different form of meditation. It may have worked the same. Or not. Yup, other techniques may work better and definitely safer. Your evidence for this is...? L. My experience and what Indian traditions have found down throughout the centuries. I used to check people who should not have learned TM. I took it that the teacher was so hard up for money they ignored the rules about teaching people with certain problems. I wound up checking some psychotics. Are you suggesting that psychotics are never taught by other meditation teachers? Kundalini syndrome is a proposed DSM term used to describe super-heavy unstressing found in some who practice certain kinds of meditation techniques. TM wasn't mentioned as one of those practices, at least by name, IIRC. In fact, research on TM is used to justify the new proposal in the DSM that practitioners of meditation who report derealization but who otherwise have no symptoms, shouldn't be counted as being mentally unhealthy. The mantra shastra on this is that agni mantras are not for the public and yet they are taught in TM. And MMY started out teaching shanti mantras which ARE safe. But then so did every other guru. Guess he wanted to be different. The first technique is just a warm up since the second is a more traditional mantra though an agni mantra. Eh, MMY believed differently. In fact, he insisted that his was the proper interpretation, but time will tell. Not to worry though. The TMO will have it's head in the clouds as the economy collapses and never adjust their prices. Hence no one except those with money to throw away will learn. Other than the kids learning via the David Lynch Foundation, you mean? Sounds to me like someone is in denial here, and it isn't necessarily the True Believers... L.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator
On 08/04/2011 04:52 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 08/04/2011 03:51 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 08/04/2011 10:26 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@wrote: On 08/03/2011 06:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Evans Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a new meditator There are many different methods for meditation. TM is a technique taught by Maharishi who was a Hindu. Nothing against it, as I haven't done it or paid to learn it, but it is based on an interpretation of Hinduism possibly somewhat unique to Maharishi from what I've gleaned from posts on these website. There are many ways to meditate that are free and published. But I think it’s noteworthy how deep her meditation is right off the bat. I think that says something about the efficacy of TM. It says something about the efficacy of meditation. We don't know what would have happened if she would have tried a different form of meditation. It may have worked the same. Or not. Yup, other techniques may work better and definitely safer. Your evidence for this is...? L. My experience and what Indian traditions have found down throughout the centuries. I used to check people who should not have learned TM. I took it that the teacher was so hard up for money they ignored the rules about teaching people with certain problems. I wound up checking some psychotics. Are you suggesting that psychotics are never taught by other meditation teachers? Other techniques have rules about teaching unstable people too. What direct experience do you have of other techniques? Kundalini syndrome is a proposed DSM term used to describe super-heavy unstressing found in some who practice certain kinds of meditation techniques. TM wasn't mentioned as one of those practices, at least by name, IIRC. Western researchers are probably poor judges of any of this. They are blind men feeling an elephant. :-D In fact, research on TM is used to justify the new proposal in the DSM that practitioners of meditation who report derealization but who otherwise have no symptoms, shouldn't be counted as being mentally unhealthy. research of TM by whom? The mantra shastra on this is that agni mantras are not for the public and yet they are taught in TM. And MMY started out teaching shanti mantras which ARE safe. But then so did every other guru. Guess he wanted to be different. The first technique is just a warm up since the second is a more traditional mantra though an agni mantra. Eh, MMY believed differently. In fact, he insisted that his was the proper interpretation, but time will tell. Not to worry though. The TMO will have it's head in the clouds as the economy collapses and never adjust their prices. Hence no one except those with money to throw away will learn. Other than the kids learning via the David Lynch Foundation, you mean? Sounds to me like someone is in denial here, and it isn't necessarily the True Believers... L. Nonsense. And your experience of teaching meditation? It is laughable that giving someone just a bija akshara is a superior technique. All that does is replace (very slowly) the process of shaktipat. The bij mantras are like sparks and full mantras like flames. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
Thank you for the explanationNOWwith regard to these three dayshere is Dave Matthews take - solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J8aAt4PaDk --- On Thu, 8/4/11, noah waybac...@yahoo.com wrote: From: noah waybac...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 9:20 AM In a nutshell, what Maharishi said is that it is the transition after death that is rougher for someone whose nervous system has not been practiced at transcending. Once that transition (supposedly about 3 days) from having a body to not having a body is over, the soul does whatever it does. In the TM paradigm, it is good to think loving and positive thoughts about the recently deceased so as to help them along through the confusion of a few days duration that supposedly arises when the body is lost. MMY said a sudden death could be more confusing than one in which a person was aging or ill and had time to begin to let go. MMY never in my hearing made it sound as if only TM'ers would do well after death or in their next incarnation. Just that TM helped that individual be more much evolved than they would be otherwise. So this differs from a Baptist viewpoint that Jesus is the only way, or TM is the only way. MMY was very clear that in his opinion TM was the Best meditation of all for many reasons. He did credit Yogananda's Kriya Yoga as being a valid technique, altho much slower in its effects than TM. Really, MMY did not talk much about life after death, or dying, given all the thousands of hours of lectures he gave. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: As I remember reading...many who have had a near-death experience talk about the light and the love they feel...or floating above their bodies.  Were they enlightened or practiced at disassociation?  My grandfather died at 99.5 years...never having meditated in his lifeand slipped away peacefully from what we know... Mararishi uses a lot of words to describe what I basically translate as a version of if you have not accepted Jesus into your heart, the road paved with gold and the pearly gates of heaven, will be closed to you.  Or, if you do not do TM and transcend consciousness, a blissful death will be you denied  I was reminded of the Christian version at a recent funeral where the Baptist minister took it upon himself to lay down the fiery damnation that awaits us all without Jesus. --- On Tue, 8/2/11, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: Rick Archer rick@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 3:54 PM  The different experience of dying by the ignorant and the enlightened. Maharishi: When an ordinary man leaves his body it's a very great pain. When a realized man leaves the body it's the experience of greatest happiness-bliss. Why? Because the state of enlightenment comes by many times becoming unaware of the body. Metabolic rate comes to nil. Million times the metabolic state has come to nil. And in that state what we had experienced? Bliss consciousness-during meditation. Because the state of enlightenment is the result of millions of times getting to that time of pure awareness, transcendental, that means physically the body comes to that restfulness, comes to that restfulness, comes to that restfulness. . During meditation the mind becomes finer and finer and finer, and then disassociates itself with the body. Prana also-that is breath- becomes finer and finer and finer and finer, and then eventually in the transcendental consciousness, disassociates itself with the body. So, senses: based on the finer aspect of the senses start function finer, finer, finer, finest aspect of the senses start functioning. And then the senses remain behind, the area of the senses remains behind and they are no more in the transcendental awareness. What is happening during that: the prana is disassociating itself from the body, and the mind disassociates itself from the body, senses disassociating themselves from the body. All this disassociation of the subtle body, or the inner man, has been a habit. And the experience has been: when all these disassociate from the body, then bliss consciousness is the direct experience. And therefore, as long as the machinery is functioning with the disassociation of these subtle aspects, the experience is that of pure consciousness or bliss consciousness. So the last experience that the body can give will be of bliss consciousness when the subtle body starts disassociating itself and drops off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
Or...with the full band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lS4EoTY1nQ --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 5:22 PM Thank you for the explanationNOWwith regard to these three dayshere is Dave Matthews take - solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J8aAt4PaDk --- On Thu, 8/4/11, noah waybac...@yahoo.com wrote: From: noah waybac...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 9:20 AM In a nutshell, what Maharishi said is that it is the transition after death that is rougher for someone whose nervous system has not been practiced at transcending. Once that transition (supposedly about 3 days) from having a body to not having a body is over, the soul does whatever it does. In the TM paradigm, it is good to think loving and positive thoughts about the recently deceased so as to help them along through the confusion of a few days duration that supposedly arises when the body is lost. MMY said a sudden death could be more confusing than one in which a person was aging or ill and had time to begin to let go. MMY never in my hearing made it sound as if only TM'ers would do well after death or in their next incarnation. Just that TM helped that individual be more much evolved than they would be otherwise. So this differs from a Baptist viewpoint that Jesus is the only way, or TM is the only way. MMY was very clear that in his opinion TM was the Best meditation of all for many reasons. He did credit Yogananda's Kriya Yoga as being a valid technique, altho much slower in its effects than TM. Really, MMY did not talk much about life after death, or dying, given all the thousands of hours of lectures he gave. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: As I remember reading...many who have had a near-death experience talk about the light and the love they feel...or floating above their bodies.  Were they enlightened or practiced at disassociation?  My grandfather died at 99.5 years...never having meditated in his lifeand slipped away peacefully from what we know... Mararishi uses a lot of words to describe what I basically translate as a version of if you have not accepted Jesus into your heart, the road paved with gold and the pearly gates of heaven, will be closed to you.  Or, if you do not do TM and transcend consciousness, a blissful death will be you denied  I was reminded of the Christian version at a recent funeral where the Baptist minister took it upon himself to lay down the fiery damnation that awaits us all without Jesus. --- On Tue, 8/2/11, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: Rick Archer rick@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 3:54 PM  The different experience of dying by the ignorant and the enlightened. Maharishi: When an ordinary man leaves his body it's a very great pain. When a realized man leaves the body it's the experience of greatest happiness-bliss. Why? Because the state of enlightenment comes by many times becoming unaware of the body. Metabolic rate comes to nil. Million times the metabolic state has come to nil. And in that state what we had experienced? Bliss consciousness-during meditation. Because the state of enlightenment is the result of millions of times getting to that time of pure awareness, transcendental, that means physically the body comes to that restfulness, comes to that restfulness, comes to that restfulness. . During meditation the mind becomes finer and finer and finer, and then disassociates itself with the body. Prana also-that is breath- becomes finer and finer and finer and finer, and then eventually in the transcendental consciousness, disassociates itself with the body. So, senses: based on the finer aspect of the senses start function finer, finer, finer, finest aspect of the senses start functioning. And then the senses remain behind, the area of the senses remains behind and they are no more in the transcendental awareness. What is happening during that: the prana is disassociating itself from the body, and the mind disassociates itself from the body, senses disassociating themselves from the body. All this disassociation of the subtle body, or the inner man, has been a habit. And the experience has been: when all these disassociate from
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re-Mindfulness
On Aug 4, 2011, at 7:43 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: [...] Vaj is correct in that well done science does not have to be repeated, Excuse me?? You (not surprisingly) missed the point. If science was done right the first time it does not need to be repeated by the ™ Org and have the data sorted, massaged and made to talk. It simply stands on it's own. But the ™ org isn't interested in replication: they're interested in one thing: pushing their agenda. Always have been, always will. See this squiggle? It's pure consciousness. Honest. Tell it to someone else. That is the ANTITHESIS of science.Science that need not be repeated is repeated all the time in classrooms as examples of how to setup a study because the teacher knows the results ahead of time and doesn't want to confuse the student with ambiguous results. Science that isn't repeatable may also be well done within the context and era in which it was performed. Repeatability of an experiment is the very definition of science. If you can't replicate the outcome, it implies that the theory predicting the experimental outcome isn't so hot, but repeating science is what science is all about... especially the well done science.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re-Mindfulness
On Aug 4, 2011, at 7:46 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip and back to the first blogger, we have a report of a Wikipedia editor speaking of the troubles they were having with articles related to TM, with editors who came online removing all negative references to the practice and people in the organisation. The Wikipedia editor in question is Andrew Skolnick, who is even more violently biased against TM than Vaj. His description of what was going on with TM-related articles should be taken with a large saltshaker handy. As far as Skolnick is concerned, any negative reference to TM is one that should be preserved, regardless of its degree of accuracy. ANdrew accused me of reverting an entire section when I first came into Wikipedia. He appolgized after I pointed out that I didn't even know HOW to revert at that point in time so he double checked and sure-'nuff... Andrew is probably one of the most insightful people when it comes to ™ and valid criticism. It's that naked, raw insight that so disturbs ™-TB's. And he has a real knack for spotting habitual liars and that always gets their goat.
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