[Felvtalk] Neutering
I have a male 6 month old Felv + kitty. He's been to the vet for all the appropriate vaccines. I have 2 other cats. They’re all indoor/outdoor cats. Where ever they want to be is good with us. We have a large lot, 4 acres, trees, mice, all things wonderful for cats. My concern is that my vet did not want to neuter, “Bean”. He said there is some evidence that the extra testosterone my help with the leukemia. I have never had a non-neutered, spayed pet, I’m feeling a bit uncomfortable with this. Has anyone heard of this testosterone evidence? Debi ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Neutering males
Hi, Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at a gas station). We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. Thanks for any replies, Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering
NO! do do Neuter him! the stress of hormones on his body is more suppressing to his immune system that is already very low due to the virus. Im working with the rescue and vets i can provide vet email you can ask her opinion. I do have 3 of the 6 m old that are Positive , they need to be kept inside because there immune system may not fight off all sicknesses that they may catch outdoor even tho they got all the vacc that is recommended. email me for any questions. Thank you Marta Makowski On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Debi Kraal wrote: > I have a male 6 month old Felv + kitty. He's been to the vet for all the > appropriate vaccines. I have 2 other cats. They’re all indoor/outdoor > cats. Where ever they want to be is good with us. We have a large lot, 4 > acres, trees, mice, all things wonderful for cats. My concern is that my > vet did not want to neuter, “Bean”. He said there is some evidence that > the extra testosterone my help with the leukemia. I have never had a > non-neutered, spayed pet, I’m feeling a bit uncomfortable with this. Has > anyone heard of this testosterone evidence? > > Debi > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering
Debi, personally I would get a different vet if they told me that. Milkdud lived 4.5 years after diagnosis at age 1 or 1.5. He was neutered as an adult. Harley has been with me over 4 years, and he was neutered around 5 months. Two vets in this area have said average lifespan of FeLV+ cats they've seen in their practices was 2.5 years after diagnosis, but each had seen a cat that made it 10 years. I didn't ask whether those cats were neutered or not, but my guess is that they were. If you allow an un-neutered FeLV+ male outdoors, he will go looking for a mate, or a female in heat will find him. He may infect the female, who will pass it to her kittens, if she doesn't miscarry. He may fight with other males in the area, passing the virus to them. Outdoors, he may be exposed to diseases that are not covered by the standard vaccines, and being FeLV+, he is more vulnerable. I learned recently that some vaccines don't even cover all possible strains of a virus, just like each year's flu vaccine for humans only protects against the strains that are most likely to be prevalent that year. A local vet treated a FeLV negative cat with a bad calicivirus infection, that had been vaccinated against calicivirus. But it was a different strain that infected the cat, not covered by the vaccine. Also consider that an un-neutered male will most likely start to spray (6 months, could start any time now), including in the house. We had a sprayer once that started at 6 months, which continued even after he was neutered, because it became a learned behavior. And the older already-neutered cat observed and copied! Marsha On 10/27/2014 9:57 AM, Debi Kraal wrote: I have a male 6 month old Felv + kitty. He's been to the vet for all the appropriate vaccines. I have 2 other cats. They’re all indoor/outdoor cats. Where ever they want to be is good with us. We have a large lot, 4 acres, trees, mice, all things wonderful for cats. My concern is that my vet did not want to neuter, “Bean”. He said there is some evidence that the extra testosterone my help with the leukemia. I have never had a non-neutered, spayed pet, I’m feeling a bit uncomfortable with this. Has anyone heard of this testosterone evidence? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering
I’ve read quite a bit about FeLV, and I’ve never seen anything about testosterone being potentially helpful in fighting FeLV. I wouldn’t let your vet’s conjecture keep you from neutering the male kitten. As others have said, he needs to be an indoor cat for his own sake and out of respect for the safety of other cats. Best hopes that he has a long life. Lance > On Oct 27, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Debi Kraal wrote: > > I have a male 6 month old Felv + kitty. He's been to the vet for all the > appropriate vaccines. I have 2 other cats. They’re all indoor/outdoor cats. > Where ever they want to be is good with us. We have a large lot, 4 acres, > trees, mice, all things wonderful for cats. My concern is that my vet did > not want to neuter, “Bean”. He said there is some evidence that the extra > testosterone my help with the leukemia. I have never had a non-neutered, > spayed pet, I’m feeling a bit uncomfortable with this. Has anyone heard of > this testosterone evidence? > > Debi > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering
NEUTER HIM, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ALLOW HIM OUTSIDE. IF NOT, HE WILL GO LOOKING FOR A FIGHT, NATURE OF MALES. ANNIE IS NOW 8 AND WS SSPAYED AS ARE ALL OF MY CATS FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY. HARLEY IS MY MALE, NOT FELV, BUT HE IS NEUTERED. IF NOT HE WOULD BE COMEING HOME ALL SCARRED UP AND WORSE. Marsha wrote: > Debi, personally I would get a different vet if they told me that. > Milkdud lived 4.5 years after diagnosis at age 1 or 1.5. He was > neutered as an adult. Harley has been with me over 4 years, and he was > neutered around 5 months. Two vets in this area have said average > lifespan of FeLV+ cats they've seen in their practices was 2.5 years > after diagnosis, but each had seen a cat that made it 10 years. I > didn't ask whether those cats were neutered or not, but my guess is that > they were. > > If you allow an un-neutered FeLV+ male outdoors, he will go looking for > a mate, or a female in heat will find him. He may infect the female, > who will pass it to her kittens, if she doesn't miscarry. He may fight > with other males in the area, passing the virus to them. Outdoors, he > may be exposed to diseases that are not covered by the standard > vaccines, and being FeLV+, he is more vulnerable. I learned recently > that some vaccines don't even cover all possible strains of a virus, > just like each year's flu vaccine for humans only protects against the > strains that are most likely to be prevalent that year. A local vet > treated a FeLV negative cat with a bad calicivirus infection, that had > been vaccinated against calicivirus. But it was a different strain that > infected the cat, not covered by the vaccine. > > Also consider that an un-neutered male will most likely start to spray > (6 months, could start any time now), including in the house. We had a > sprayer once that started at 6 months, which continued even after he was > neutered, because it became a learned behavior. And the older > already-neutered cat observed and copied! > > Marsha > > > On 10/27/2014 9:57 AM, Debi Kraal wrote: > > I have a male 6 month old Felv + kitty. He's been to the vet for all the > > appropriate vaccines. I have 2 other cats. They’re all indoor/outdoor > > cats. Where ever they want to be is good with us. We have a large lot, 4 > > acres, trees, mice, all things wonderful for cats. My concern is that my > > vet did not want to neuter, “Bean”. He said there is some evidence that > > the extra testosterone my help with the leukemia. I have never had a > > non-neutered, spayed pet, I’m feeling a bit uncomfortable with this. Has > > anyone heard of this testosterone evidence? > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age doesn't matter. --Katy On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck < jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at > a gas station). > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him > neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. > > Thanks for any replies, > > Peggy > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
We neuter young I think it's 3 pounds. Not all vets do that though. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck wrote: > Hi, > > Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at > a gas station). > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him > neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. > > Thanks for any replies, > > Peggy > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or not. Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time. In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be done! So this would be a good time to do it. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Peggy Verdonck <jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgHi,Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittensneutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him ata gas station).We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have himneutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.Thanks for any replies,Peggy___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 weeks) > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 > From: athenapities...@gmail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age > doesn't matter. > > --Katy > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck < > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at > > a gas station). > > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him > > neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. > > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. > > > > Thanks for any replies, > > > > Peggy > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds. They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under. All are tested for the viral diseases. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: <ter...@tazzys.org>Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or not. Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time. In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be done! So this would be a good time to do it. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message ----Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Peggy Verdonck <jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgHi,Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittensneutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him ata gas station).We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have himneutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.Thanks for any replies,Peggy___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will also call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young kitten like that vaccinated against Felv? 2010/12/27 > Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight > of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds. > They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under. > All are tested for the viral diseases. > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > Sultan, WA. 98294 > Terrie Mohr-Forker > http://tazzys.org/ > Non-Profit national rescue > Dedicated to the welfare of animals. > > Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. > > > > ---- Original Message > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > From: > Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or > not. > Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time. > In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be > done! > So this would be a good time to do it. > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > Sultan, WA. 98294 > Terrie Mohr-Forker > http://tazzys.org/ > Non-Profit national rescue > Dedicated to the welfare of animals. > > Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. > > > > Original Message > Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > From: Peggy Verdonck > Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Hi, > > Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at > a gas station). > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him > neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. > > Thanks for any replies, > > Peggy > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > -- > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!! 2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck > I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will also > call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young kitten > like that vaccinated against Felv? > > 2010/12/27 > > Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight >> of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds. >> They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under. >> All are tested for the viral diseases. >> >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE >> Sultan, WA. 98294 >> Terrie Mohr-Forker >> http://tazzys.org/ >> Non-Profit national rescue >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals. >> >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. >> >> >> >> Original Message >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males >> From: >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> >> I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or >> not. >> Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time. >> In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be >> done! >> So this would be a good time to do it. >> >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE >> Sultan, WA. 98294 >> Terrie Mohr-Forker >> http://tazzys.org/ >> Non-Profit national rescue >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals. >> >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. >> >> >> >> Original Message >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males >> From: Peggy Verdonck >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> Hi, >> >> Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens >> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him >> at >> a gas station). >> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him >> neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. >> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. >> >> Thanks for any replies, >> >> Peggy >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Yes, they can be given the FELV vaccines. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Peggy Verdonck <jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:54 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgI have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will alsocall the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young kittenlike that vaccinated against Felv?2010/12/27 <ter...@tazzys.org>> Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight> of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.> They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.> All are tested for the viral diseases.>> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE> Sultan, WA. 98294> Terrie Mohr-Forker> http://tazzys.org/> Non-Profit national rescue> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.>> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.>>>> Original Message > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> From: <ter...@tazzys.org>> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>> I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or> not.> Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.> In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be> done!> So this would be a good time to do it.>> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE> Sultan, WA. 98294> Terrie Mohr-Forker> http://tazzys.org/> Non-Profit national rescue> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.>> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.>>>> Original Message > Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> From: Peggy Verdonck <jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Hi,>> Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at> a gas station).> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him> neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.>> Thanks for any replies,>> Peggy> ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org>>> --> ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org>>> ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org>>___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
LOL...guess he is good to go for his neutering! Big boy! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Peggy Verdonck <jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:57 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgI guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!!2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck <jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>> I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will also> call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young kitten> like that vaccinated against Felv?>> 2010/12/27 <ter...@tazzys.org>>> Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight>> of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.>> They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.>> All are tested for the viral diseases.>>>> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE>> Sultan, WA. 98294>> Terrie Mohr-Forker>> http://tazzys.org/>> Non-Profit national rescue>> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.>>>> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.>>>>>>>> Original Message >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males>> From: <ter...@tazzys.org>>> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>>>>> I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or>> not.>> Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.>> In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be>> done!>> So this would be a good time to do it.>>>> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE>> Sultan, WA. 98294>> Terrie Mohr-Forker>> http://tazzys.org/>> Non-Profit national rescue>> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.>>>> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.>>>>>>>> Original Message >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males>> From: Peggy Verdonck <jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>>> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>>> Hi,>>>> Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens>> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him>> at>> a gas station).>> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him>> neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.>> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.>>>> Thanks for any replies,>>>> Peggy>> ___>> Felvtalk mailing list>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org>>>>>> -->> ___>> Felvtalk mailing list>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org>>>>>> ___>> Felvtalk mailing list>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org>>>>>___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Yes, he is a big boy! We found him at a gas station about 3 weeks ago. He was a little skinny but not bad. The people from the gas station put food out for him. We had to trap him because he was completely wild and feral. And now...the sweetest kittens you can imagine!! He is still separated from the other cats because I don't want to take the risk. We had a good scare earlier this year. Our other cats still have to go for their second round of testing. Fingers crossed! 2010/12/27 > LOL...guess he is good to go for his neutering! > Big boy! > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > Sultan, WA. 98294 > Terrie Mohr-Forker > http://tazzys.org/ > Non-Profit national rescue > Dedicated to the welfare of animals. > > Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. > > > > ---- Original Message > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > From: Peggy Verdonck > Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:57 am > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > I guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!! > > 2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck > > > I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will > also > > call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young > kitten > > like that vaccinated against Felv? > > > > 2010/12/27 > > > > Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight > >> of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds. > >> They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under. > >> All are tested for the viral diseases. > >> > >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > >> Sultan, WA. 98294 > >> Terrie Mohr-Forker > >> http://tazzys.org/ > >> Non-Profit national rescue > >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals. > >> > >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. > >> > >> > >> > >> Original Message > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > >> From: > >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > >> > >> I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or > >> not. > >> Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time. > >> In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be > >> done! > >> So this would be a good time to do it. > >> > >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > >> Sultan, WA. 98294 > >> Terrie Mohr-Forker > >> http://tazzys.org/ > >> Non-Profit national rescue > >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals. > >> > >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. > >> > >> > >> > >> Original Message > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > >> From: Peggy Verdonck > >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens > >> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him > >> at > >> a gas station). > >> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him > >> neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. > >> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing > already. > >> > >> Thanks for any replies, > >> > >> Peggy > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
All fingers and paws crossed here for the boy! Good luck! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Peggy Verdonck <jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 9:22 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgYes, he is a big boy! We found him at a gas station about 3 weeks ago. Hewas a little skinny but not bad. The people from the gas station put foodout for him.We had to trap him because he was completely wild and feral. Andnow...the sweetest kittens you can imagine!!He is still separated from the other cats because I don't want to take therisk. We had a good scare earlier this year. Our other cats still have to gofor their second round of testing.Fingers crossed!2010/12/27 <ter...@tazzys.org>> LOL...guess he is good to go for his neutering!> Big boy!>> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE> Sultan, WA. 98294> Terrie Mohr-Forker> http://tazzys.org/> Non-Profit national rescue> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.>> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.>>>> Original Message > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> From: Peggy Verdonck <jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:57 am> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> I guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!!>> 2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck <jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>>> > I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will> also> > call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young> kitten> > like that vaccinated against Felv?> >> > 2010/12/27 <ter...@tazzys.org>> >> > Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight> >> of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.> >> They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.> >> All are tested for the viral diseases.> >>> >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE> >> Sultan, WA. 98294> >> Terrie Mohr-Forker> >> http://tazzys.org/> >> Non-Profit national rescue> >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.> >>> >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.> >>> >>> >>> >> Original Message > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> >> From: <ter...@tazzys.org>> >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >>> >>> >> I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or> >> not.> >> Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.> >> In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be> >> done!> >> So this would be a good time to do it.> >>> >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE> >> Sultan, WA. 98294> >> Terrie Mohr-Forker> >> http://tazzys.org/> >> Non-Profit national rescue> >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.> >>> >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.> >>> >>> >>> >> Original Message > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> >> From: Peggy Verdonck <jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>> >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >>> >> Hi,> >>> >> Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens> >> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him> >> at> >> a gas station).> >> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him> >> neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.> >> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing> already.> >>> >> Thanks for any replies,> >>> >> Peggy> >> ___> >> Felvtalk mailing list> >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> >>> >>> >> --> >> ___> >> Felvtalk mailing list> >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> http://felineleukemia.org/ma
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Thank you! :-) 2010/12/27 > All fingers and paws crossed here for the boy! > Good luck! > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > Sultan, WA. 98294 > Terrie Mohr-Forker > http://tazzys.org/ > Non-Profit national rescue > Dedicated to the welfare of animals. > > Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. > > > > ---- Original Message > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > From: Peggy Verdonck > Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 9:22 am > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Yes, he is a big boy! We found him at a gas station about 3 weeks ago. He > was a little skinny but not bad. The people from the gas station put food > out for him. > We had to trap him because he was completely wild and feral. And > now...the sweetest kittens you can imagine!! > He is still separated from the other cats because I don't want to take the > risk. We had a good scare earlier this year. Our other cats still have to > go > for their second round of testing. > Fingers crossed! > > 2010/12/27 > > > LOL...guess he is good to go for his neutering! > > Big boy! > > > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > > Sultan, WA. 98294 > > Terrie Mohr-Forker > > http://tazzys.org/ > > Non-Profit national rescue > > Dedicated to the welfare of animals. > > > > Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. > > > > > > > > Original Message > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > From: Peggy Verdonck > > Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:57 am > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > I guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!! > > > > 2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck > > > > > I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will > > also > > > call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young > > kitten > > > like that vaccinated against Felv? > > > > > > 2010/12/27 > > > > > > Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest > weight > > >> of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds. > > >> They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under. > > >> All are tested for the viral diseases. > > >> > > >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > > >> Sultan, WA. 98294 > > >> Terrie Mohr-Forker > > >> http://tazzys.org/ > > >> Non-Profit national rescue > > >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals. > > >> > > >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Original Message > > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > >> From: > > >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am > > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> > > >> > > >> I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral > or > > >> not. > > >> Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time. > > >> In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be > > >> done! > > >> So this would be a good time to do it. > > >> > > >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > > >> Sultan, WA. 98294 > > >> Terrie Mohr-Forker > > >> http://tazzys.org/ > > >> Non-Profit national rescue > > >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals. > > >> > > >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Original Message > > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > >> From: Peggy Verdonck > > >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am > > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens > > >> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found > him > > >> at > > >> a gas station). > > >> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him > > >> neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. > > >> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing > > already. > > >
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't blame him. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 > weeks) > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, > age > > doesn't matter. > > > > --Katy > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck < > > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens > > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found > him at > > > a gas station). > > > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him > > > neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. > > > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing > already. > > > > > > Thanks for any replies, > > > > > > Peggy > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
We do them at 2 pounds/2 months in northern California. With the girls we may wait till they are closer to 3 pounds though. Cats can start going into heat at 4-1/2 months. And with the boys, the sooner they are neutered the less likely they are to become sprayers. If you are planning on adopting the little guy out I would suggest fixing him as soon as possible. If he turns into a sprayer he will really not be adoptable to an indoor only home. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Kelley Saveika wrote: > From: Kelley Saveika > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:52 AM > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will > not do them before that, and from what > I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n > in dogs I can't > blame him. > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor > wrote: > > > > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before > surgery (usually 16 > > weeks) > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 > > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want the > kitten to weigh 2 pounds, > > age > > > doesn't matter. > > > > > > --Katy > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck > < > > > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Just a quick question. At what age do you > guys have your male kittens > > > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten > (not sure exactly, found > > him at > > > > a gas station). > > > > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and > I was thinking to have him > > > > neutered at the same time because it would > save us a lot of money. > > > > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his > testicals are showing > > already. > > > > > > > > Thanks for any replies, > > > > > > > > Peggy > > > > > ___ > > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > Please help Trooper! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper > > > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal > lovers they > can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the > animals, that they > should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to > continue." > > - Nathan Winograd > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Just make sure that the vet knows how to deal with neutering such a small kitten - not all do! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 11:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age doesn't matter. --Katy On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck < jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at > a gas station). > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him > neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. > > Thanks for any replies, > > Peggy > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I personally do NOT neuter/spay until much later and have never had a sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and believes that neutering males so early has some possible future risks that are not yet known. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't blame him. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 > weeks) > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, > age > > doesn't matter. > > > > --Katy > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck < > > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens > > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found > him at > > > a gas station). > > > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him > > > neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. > > > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing > already. > > > > > > Thanks for any replies, > > > > > > Peggy > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I usually wait until they are 6 months old also. However, I currently have a litter of 1 female and 2 males and I was wanting to get it done before they became sexually mature. I have them scheduled for the middle of January and they will be only 4 1/2 months old. What are the future health problems for early spays and neuters. I haven't heard about this before. Perhaps I need to reschedule for a later date? "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet..." The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males I personally do NOT neuter/spay until much later and have never had a sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and believes that neutering males so early has some possible future risks that are not yet known. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't blame him. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 > weeks) > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, > age > > doesn't matter. > > > > --Katy > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck < > > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens > > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found > him at > > > a gas station). > > > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him > > > neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. > > > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing > already. > > > > > > Thanks for any replies, > > > > > > Peggy > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Right our vet does 2 lb 2 mo for boys also and later for girls. We never have problems with the early neuter but like someone said *not all vets do it* - not all are experienced at doing it. So probably good to get one who's done it before and you trust. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: > We do them at 2 pounds/2 months in northern California. With the girls we > may wait till they are closer to 3 pounds though. > > Cats can start going into heat at 4-1/2 months. And with the boys, the > sooner they are neutered the less likely they are to become sprayers. If you > are planning on adopting the little guy out I would suggest fixing him as > soon as possible. If he turns into a sprayer he will really not be adoptable > to an indoor only home. > > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Kelley Saveika wrote: > >> From: Kelley Saveika >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:52 AM >> We do ours at 6 months; our vet will >> not do them before that, and from what >> I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n >> in dogs I can't >> blame him. >> >> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor >> wrote: >> >>> >>> My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before >> surgery (usually 16 >>> weeks) >>> >>>> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 >>>> From: athenapities...@gmail.com >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males >>>> >>>> Many of the vets I use with rescues want the >> kitten to weigh 2 pounds, >>> age >>>> doesn't matter. >>>> >>>> --Katy >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck >> < >>>> jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Just a quick question. At what age do you >> guys have your male kittens >>>>> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten >> (not sure exactly, found >>> him at >>>>> a gas station). >>>>> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and >> I was thinking to have him >>>>> neutered at the same time because it would >> save us a lot of money. >>>>> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his >> testicals are showing >>> already. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for any replies, >>>>> >>>>> Peggy >>>>> >> ___ >>>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. >> >> http://www.rescuties.org >> >> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! >> >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 >> >> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* >> >> Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! >> http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties >> >> Please help Trooper! >> >> http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper >> >> >> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal >> lovers they >> can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the >> animals, that they >> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to >> continue." >> >> - Nathan Winograd >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I've only heard that especially for males, if they're too young and not sexually mature, there could be urinary problems in the futurefor females, it seems OK to do it early. Right now, I have one female and 2 males of about 6-7 months of age. they're not large - absolutely no sign of anything sexual going on. But I will spay the female first. They are waiting to find homes. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 2:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males I usually wait until they are 6 months old also. However, I currently have a litter of 1 female and 2 males and I was wanting to get it done before they became sexually mature. I have them scheduled for the middle of January and they will be only 4 1/2 months old. What are the future health problems for early spays and neuters. I haven't heard about this before. Perhaps I need to reschedule for a later date? "...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet..." The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males I personally do NOT neuter/spay until much later and have never had a sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and believes that neutering males so early has some possible future risks that are not yet known. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't blame him. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 > weeks) > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, > age > > doesn't matter. > > > > --Katy > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck < > > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens > > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found > him at > > > a gas station). > > > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him > > > neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. > > > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing > already. > > > > > > Thanks for any replies, > > > > > > Peggy > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for adoption. In California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to adopt out an unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in Northern California who are very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's the standard here and the kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their surgery. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie wrote: > From: Natalie > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM > I personally do NOT neuter/spay until > much later and have never had a > sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and > believes that > neutering males so early has some possible future risks > that are not yet > known. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before > that, and from what > I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n > in dogs I can't > blame him. > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor > wrote: > > > > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before > surgery (usually 16 > > weeks) > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 > > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want the > kitten to weigh 2 pounds, > > age > > > doesn't matter. > > > > > > --Katy > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck > < > > > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Just a quick question. At what age do you > guys have your male kittens > > > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten > (not sure exactly, found > > him at > > > > a gas station). > > > > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and > I was thinking to have him > > > > neutered at the same time because it would > save us a lot of money. > > > > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his > testicals are showing > > already. > > > > > > > > Thanks for any replies, > > > > > > > > Peggy > > > > > ___ > > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > Please help Trooper! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper > > > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal > lovers they > can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the > animals, that they > should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to > continue." > > - Nathan Winograd > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I am a rescue group - but we don't have any laws in CT to alter them before adoptions. Probably a great idea! I keep in personal contact with adopters and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the appropriate times. But they found that even though people pay for the spay/neuter at the time of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do it...Whether they do it on their own or not, isn't known. More likely, they don't, and that's why such a problem continues. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for adoption. In California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to adopt out an unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in Northern California who are very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's the standard here and the kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their surgery. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie wrote: > From: Natalie > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM > I personally do NOT neuter/spay until > much later and have never had a > sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and > believes that > neutering males so early has some possible future risks > that are not yet > known. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before > that, and from what > I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n > in dogs I can't > blame him. > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor > wrote: > > > > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before > surgery (usually 16 > > weeks) > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 > > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want the > kitten to weigh 2 pounds, > > age > > > doesn't matter. > > > > > > --Katy > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck > < > > > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Just a quick question. At what age do you > guys have your male kittens > > > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten > (not sure exactly, found > > him at > > > > a gas station). > > > > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and > I was thinking to have him > > > > neutered at the same time because it would > save us a lot of money. > > > > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his > testicals are showing > > already. > > > > > > > > Thanks for any replies, > > > > > > > > Peggy > > > > > ___ > > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > Please help Trooper! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper > > > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal > lovers they > can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the > animals, that they > should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to > contin
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Unfortunately that has been the experience of too many people. Even with a contract and a spay/neuter deposit it does not happen. Or it doesn't happen until after that little surprise litter from a 7 month old cat. Early age spay/neuter goes a long way towards reducing pet overpopulation. The areas that do very young spay/neuter amd have active feral cat programs have fewer kittens in shelters and higher adult cat adoptions. So if you're going to adopt them out, fix them first. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie wrote: > From: Natalie > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:14 PM > I am a rescue group - but we don't > have any laws in CT to alter them before > adoptions. Probably a great idea! I keep in personal > contact with adopters > and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the > appropriate times. > But they found that even though people pay for the > spay/neuter at the time > of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do > it...Whether they do it > on their own or not, isn't known. More likely, they > don't, and that's why > such a problem continues. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for > adoption. In > California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to > adopt out an > unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in > Northern California who are > very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's the > standard here and the > kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their > surgery. > > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie > wrote: > > > From: Natalie > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM > > I personally do NOT neuter/spay until > > much later and have never had a > > sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, > and > > believes that > > neutering males so early has some possible future > risks > > that are not yet > > known. > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > > On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them > before > > that, and from what > > I've read about the bad possible side effects of early > s/n > > in dogs I can't > > blame him. > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor > > wrote: > > > > > > > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds > before > > surgery (usually 16 > > > weeks) > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 > > > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com > > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > > > > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want > the > > kitten to weigh 2 pounds, > > > age > > > > doesn't matter. > > > > > > > > --Katy > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy > Verdonck > > < > > > > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Just a quick question. At what age do > you > > guys have your male kittens > > > > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old > kitten > > (not sure exactly, found > > > him at > > > > > a gas station). > > > > > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv > and > > I was thinking to have him > > > > > neutered at the same time because it > would > > save us a lot of money. > > > > > He is a strong and healthy guy and both > his > > testicals are showing > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any replies, > > > > > > > > > > Peggy > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > &
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Wow, I went outside for a little bit to ride one of our horses.bunches of new replies :-) All our other cats were around 9 months old when spayed or neutered. I'm from the Netherlands and there are not many vets that will do it earlier then that. I've been reading and listening to the pros and cons to early/late neutering and spaying, but there are just as many pros as cons in either of them. I even lean towards early, because a kitten bounces back a lot quicker then an older cat. I've personally made up my mind that it is better to neuter young, but not at like 3 weeks old or so. I don't think much can go wrong with a male. If a vet messes that up, he needs to go back to school. With females I would wait till older. It is a lot harder on them because they actually get opened up and have all their female organs removed.. With my first question I was just wondering at what age most people have their male kittens neutered. Didn't even think about the weight of the kitten...makes a lot more sense! Thanks for the all the replies! 2010/12/27 Susan Hoffman > Unfortunately that has been the experience of too many people. Even with a > contract and a spay/neuter deposit it does not happen. Or it doesn't happen > until after that little surprise litter from a 7 month old cat. Early age > spay/neuter goes a long way towards reducing pet overpopulation. The areas > that do very young spay/neuter amd have active feral cat programs have fewer > kittens in shelters and higher adult cat adoptions. So if you're going to > adopt them out, fix them first. > > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie wrote: > > > From: Natalie > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:14 PM > > I am a rescue group - but we don't > > have any laws in CT to alter them before > > adoptions. Probably a great idea! I keep in personal > > contact with adopters > > and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the > > appropriate times. > > But they found that even though people pay for the > > spay/neuter at the time > > of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do > > it...Whether they do it > > on their own or not, isn't known. More likely, they > > don't, and that's why > > such a problem continues. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > > On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for > > adoption. In > > California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to > > adopt out an > > unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in > > Northern California who are > > very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's the > > standard here and the > > kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their > > surgery. > > > > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie > > wrote: > > > > > From: Natalie > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM > > > I personally do NOT neuter/spay until > > > much later and have never had a > > > sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, > > and > > > believes that > > > neutering males so early has some possible future > > risks > > > that are not yet > > > known. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > > > On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika > > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > > > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them > > before > > > that, and from what > > > I've read about the bad possible side effects of early > > s/n > > > in dogs I can't > > > blame him. > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds > > before > > > surgery (usually 16 > > > > weeks) > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 > > > > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com > >
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we s/n at 6 months. On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote: > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what > I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't > blame him. > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I totally agree it is the law here as well. Being a rescue and non-profit we do all kittens after they reach the desired weight before they are adopted out. Matter of fact I do not list any kittens until they have been done. I have 3 litters going next week with their moms to be altered. Yes, they do bounced back after have this done. It is harder the older the kitty. My Vets too are very experience doing these spay/neuters at young ages. I have seen females come into heat at 41/1-5 months old then be pregnant at 6 months popping out kittens. I've taken in several young moms in the last year more so than in the past years because of being too young to have kittens. People play off being stupid like they didn't know they could get pregnant at that age. Male kittens and adults do try to go after them. It's nature! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message ----Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Susan Hoffman <susan_hoff...@yahoo.com>Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 12:44 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgIt's different if you are a rescue who places animals for adoption. In California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to adopt out an unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in Northern California who are very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's the standard here and the kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their surgery.--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:> From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM> I personally do NOT neuter/spay until> much later and have never had a> sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and> believes that> neutering males so early has some possible future risks> that are not yet> known.> > -Original Message-> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]> On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before> that, and from what> I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n> in dogs I can't> blame him.> > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor <taylore...@msn.com>> wrote:> > >> > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before> surgery (usually 16> > weeks)> >> > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500> > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> > >> > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want the> kitten to weigh 2 pounds,> > age> > > doesn't matter.> > >> > > --Katy> > >> > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck> <> > > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>> wrote:> > >> > > > Hi,> > > >> > > > Just a quick question. At what age do you> guys have your male kittens> > > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten> (not sure exactly, found> > him at> > > > a gas station).> > > > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and> I was thinking to have him> > > > neutered at the same time because it would> save us a lot of money.> > > > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his> testicals are showing> > already.> > > >> > > > Thanks for any replies,> > > >> > > > Peggy> > > >> ___> > > > Felvtalk mailing list> > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > > >> > > ___> > > Felvtalk mailing list> > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> >> > ___> > Felvtalk mailing list> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> >> > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.> > http://www.rescuties.org> > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
DITTO here! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Susan Hoffman <susan_hoff...@yahoo.com>Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 1:22 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgUnfortunately that has been the experience of too many people. Even with a contract and a spay/neuter deposit it does not happen. Or it doesn't happen until after that little surprise litter from a 7 month old cat. Early age spay/neuter goes a long way towards reducing pet overpopulation. The areas that do very young spay/neuter amd have active feral cat programs have fewer kittens in shelters and higher adult cat adoptions. So if you're going to adopt them out, fix them first.--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:> From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:14 PM> I am a rescue group - but we don't> have any laws in CT to alter them before> adoptions. Probably a great idea! I keep in personal> contact with adopters> and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the> appropriate times.> But they found that even though people pay for the> spay/neuter at the time> of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do> it...Whether they do it> on their own or not, isn't known. More likely, they> don't, and that's why> such a problem continues.> > -Original Message-> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]> On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> > It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for> adoption. In> California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to> adopt out an> unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in> Northern California who are> very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's the> standard here and the> kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their> surgery.> > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie <at...@optonline.net>> wrote:> > > From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM> > I personally do NOT neuter/spay until> > much later and have never had a> > sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early,> and> > believes that> > neutering males so early has some possible future> risks> > that are not yet> > known.> > > > -Original Message-> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]> > On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> > > > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them> before> > that, and from what> > I've read about the bad possible side effects of early> s/n> > in dogs I can't> > blame him.> > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor <taylore...@msn.com>> > wrote:> > > > >> > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds> before> > surgery (usually 16> > > weeks)> > >> > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500> > > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com> > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> > > >> > > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want> the> > kitten to weigh 2 pounds,> > > age> > > > doesn't matter.> > > >> > > > --Katy> > > >> > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy> Verdonck> > <> > > > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>> > wrote:> > > >> > > > > Hi,> > > > >> > > > > Just a quick question. At what age do> you> > guys have your male kittens> > > > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old> kitten> > (not sure exactly, found> > > him at> > > > > a gas station).> > > > > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv> and> > I was thinking to have him> > > > > neutered at the same time because it> would> > save us a lot of money.>
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school and I haven't. The local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them chop n shops) will do them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that all animals be spayed and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of our kittens with a botched spay - never again. Our current vet does them at 6 months because his concern is the health of each individual animal - and I like that. We have never had anyone get pregnant. If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to adopt, which means we still own the animal and they are fostering. It works if you can keep up with it. We never transfer ownership on an unaltered animal. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie wrote: > Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we s/n at 6 months. > > > On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote: > > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from > what > > I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I > can't > > blame him. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Last year we had a brother/sister feral pair just in, crated together and when spayed 2 wks later at 5 1/2 mos, the female was pregnant already with one kitten. We can't afford to spay.neuter every single litter we take on right away, but follow up like crazy with adoptions and our rule is spay/neuter at 5 mos. They do heal faster at a younger age. See Winn Feline Foundation website for more information about this - it might dispel the myths of early spay/neuter, esp with boys. Human children seem to be more prone to early sexuality, why not cats? Janine - Original Message From: Peggy Verdonck To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6:00:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males Wow, I went outside for a little bit to ride one of our horses.bunches of new replies :-) All our other cats were around 9 months old when spayed or neutered. I'm from the Netherlands and there are not many vets that will do it earlier then that. I've been reading and listening to the pros and cons to early/late neutering and spaying, but there are just as many pros as cons in either of them. I even lean towards early, because a kitten bounces back a lot quicker then an older cat. I've personally made up my mind that it is better to neuter young, but not at like 3 weeks old or so. I don't think much can go wrong with a male. If a vet messes that up, he needs to go back to school. With females I would wait till older. It is a lot harder on them because they actually get opened up and have all their female organs removed.. With my first question I was just wondering at what age most people have their male kittens neutered. Didn't even think about the weight of the kitten...makes a lot more sense! Thanks for the all the replies! 2010/12/27 Susan Hoffman > Unfortunately that has been the experience of too many people. Even with a > contract and a spay/neuter deposit it does not happen. Or it doesn't happen > until after that little surprise litter from a 7 month old cat. Early age > spay/neuter goes a long way towards reducing pet overpopulation. The areas > that do very young spay/neuter amd have active feral cat programs have fewer > kittens in shelters and higher adult cat adoptions. So if you're going to > adopt them out, fix them first. > > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie wrote: > > > From: Natalie > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:14 PM > > I am a rescue group - but we don't > > have any laws in CT to alter them before > > adoptions. Probably a great idea! I keep in personal > > contact with adopters > > and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the > > appropriate times. > > But they found that even though people pay for the > > spay/neuter at the time > > of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do > > it...Whether they do it > > on their own or not, isn't known. More likely, they > > don't, and that's why > > such a problem continues. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > > On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for > > adoption. In > > California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to > > adopt out an > > unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in > > Northern California who are > > very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's the > > standard here and the > > kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their > > surgery. > > > > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie > > wrote: > > > > > From: Natalie > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM > > > I personally do NOT neuter/spay until > > > much later and have never had a > > > sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, > > and > > > believes that > > > neutering males so early has some possible future > > risks > > > that are not yet > > > known. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > > > On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika > > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > &g
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
My Vet spays and neuters when they are 4 lbs, so all of my guys were done about a month ago. 2 boys and a girl, all did fine. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
Sometimes you have to take the chance and pray you are right. I had a little girl spayed early..she had to stay at the vet's until she weighed enough and that was expensive. I think it was worth it though. She has a wonderful home and will have no kittens. She was a tiny feral and catching her once was very hard. Finding her a home at 3 months (???) of age worked. I don't know that she could have been caught or a home found if she had been much older. And yes, the unneutered males in the area would have led Angel off to an uncertain future. Copper and Thomas were done a little early because I wanted my very special vets in Louisville (Middletown Animal Clinic) to take care of them. They weighed enough and one was thinking about spraying. Both needed to be done at the same time to maintain the balance of power. There is two weeks or so difference in age. They did wonderfully. Don't ask how many times I checked on them that day... Like I said, sometimes you have to push the calendar and trust the vet. I would hate to turn a kitten/pup that was not spayed or neutered over to even the best home..I've watched too many people come up with reasons not to get the cat/dog fixed even when the bill was being paid and the baby transported and.always a reasonand more homeless animals. On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:46 PM, wrote: I totally agree it is the law here as well. Being a rescue and non-profit we do all kittens after they reach the desired weight before they are adopted out. Matter of fact I do not list any kittens until they have been done. I have 3 litters going next week with their moms to be altered. Yes, they do bounced back after have this done. It is harder the older the kitty. My Vets too are very experience doing these spay/neuters at young ages. I have seen females come into heat at 41/1-5 months old then be pregnant at 6 months popping out kittens. I've taken in several young moms in the last year more so than in the past years because of being too young to have kittens. People play off being stupid like they didn't know they could get pregnant at that age. Male kittens and adults do try to go after them. It's nature! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. ---- Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males From: Susan Hoffman Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 12:44 pm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for adoption. In California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to adopt out an unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in Northern California who are very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's the standard here and the kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their surgery. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie wrote: > From: Natalie > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM > I personally do NOT neuter/spay until > much later and have never had a > sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and > believes that > neutering males so early has some possible future risks > that are not yet > known. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before > that, and from what > I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n > in dogs I can't > blame him. > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor > wrote: > > > > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before > surgery (usually 16 > > weeks) > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 > > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > > > Many of the vets I use with rescues want the > kitten to weigh 2 pounds, > > age > > > doesn't matter. > > > > > > --Katy > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck > < > > > jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Just a quick question. At what age do you > guys have your male kittens > > > > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I had one kitten that I trapped at the dump, she was spayed early, very early. She was never "the same" after thatI will continue sticking to my 6 months for both sexes and make sure they are spayed (our cats are strictly indoor anyway). I have never had any problems in 18 1/2 yrs with people NOT altering them. If I were a huge group, I would probably spay/neuter earlier and before they were adopted. N -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 10:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males Sometimes you have to take the chance and pray you are right. I had a little girl spayed early..she had to stay at the vet's until she weighed enough and that was expensive. I think it was worth it though. She has a wonderful home and will have no kittens. She was a tiny feral and catching her once was very hard. Finding her a home at 3 months (???) of age worked. I don't know that she could have been caught or a home found if she had been much older. And yes, the unneutered males in the area would have led Angel off to an uncertain future. Copper and Thomas were done a little early because I wanted my very special vets in Louisville (Middletown Animal Clinic) to take care of them. They weighed enough and one was thinking about spraying. Both needed to be done at the same time to maintain the balance of power. There is two weeks or so difference in age. They did wonderfully. Don't ask how many times I checked on them that day... Like I said, sometimes you have to push the calendar and trust the vet. I would hate to turn a kitten/pup that was not spayed or neutered over to even the best home..I've watched too many people come up with reasons not to get the cat/dog fixed even when the bill was being paid and the baby transported and.always a reasonand more homeless animals. On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:46 PM, wrote: > I totally agree it is the law here as well. > Being a rescue and non-profit we do all kittens after they reach the > desired weight before they are adopted out. Matter of fact I do not > list any kittens until they have been done. I have 3 litters going > next week with their moms to be altered. > Yes, they do bounced back after have this done. It is harder the > older the kitty. > My Vets too are very experience doing these spay/neuters at young > ages. > I have seen females come into heat at 41/1-5 months old then be > pregnant at 6 months popping out kittens. > I've taken in several young moms in the last year more so than in > the past years because of being too young to have kittens. People > play off being stupid like they didn't know they could get pregnant > at that age. > Male kittens and adults do try to go after them. > It's nature! > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > Sultan, WA. 98294 > Terrie Mohr-Forker > http://tazzys.org/ > Non-Profit national rescue > Dedicated to the welfare of animals. > > Copyright C 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. > > > Original Message > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > From: Susan Hoffman > Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 12:44 pm > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for adoption. > In California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to adopt out > an unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in Northern > California who are very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's > the standard here and the kittens always seem to bounce back so > quickly from their surgery. > > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie wrote: > > > From: Natalie > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM > > I personally do NOT neuter/spay until > > much later and have never had a > > sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and > > believes that > > neutering males so early has some possible future risks > > that are not yet > > known. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > > On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > > > > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before > > that, and from what > > I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n > > in dogs I can&#x
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I have to say, while our monthly clinic vet does pediatric spay/ neuter, I wouldn't trust every one to do it, and I understand the term "chop shops". Compared with other local clinics, I think we do batter "aftercare" for cats in recovery than any of the others and that's so important. Can't just put them in a cage or carrier after surgery, and leave them. Fortunately we have a good system, and we all trust our vet, who is good with pediatric s/n, and he's also fast - amazing to watch him versus some of the other vets. Knowing the vet and trusting are so important. Otherwise I'd wait a while too. Gloria On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school and I haven't. The local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them chop n shops) will do them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that all animals be spayed and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of our kittens with a botched spay - never again. Our current vet does them at 6 months because his concern is the health of each individual animal - and I like that. We have never had anyone get pregnant. If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to adopt, which means we still own the animal and they are fostering. It works if you can keep up with it. We never transfer ownership on an unaltered animal. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie wrote: Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we s/n at 6 months. On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote: We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't blame him. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I volunteer at our local feral spay/neuter clinic (they also s/n cats and kittens being fostered for adoption) and I've watched the procedures so many times. My station is right next to where the neuters are done. The aftercare is amazing. We have so many volunteers just checking respiration all the way through the clinic. The cats at this particular clinic receive more post-surgical monitoring and attention than most private vets can provide. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > From: Gloria B. Lane > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:53 PM > I have to say, while our monthly > clinic vet does pediatric spay/neuter, I wouldn't trust > every one to do it, and I understand the term "chop shops". > Compared with other local clinics, I think we do batter > "aftercare" for cats in recovery than any of the others and > that's so important. Can't just put them in a cage or > carrier after surgery, and leave them. Fortunately we > have a good system, and we all trust our vet, who is good > with pediatric s/n, and he's also fast - amazing to watch > him versus some of the other vets. Knowing the vet and > trusting are so important. Otherwise I'd wait a while > too. > > Gloria > > > > On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: > > > I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school > and I haven't. The > > local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them > chop n shops) will do > > them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that > all animals be spayed > > and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of > our kittens with a > > botched spay - never again. Our current vet does > them at 6 months because > > his concern is the health of each individual animal - > and I like that. > > > > We have never had anyone get pregnant. > > > > If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to > adopt, which means we > > still own the animal and they are fostering. It > works if you can keep up > > with it. We never transfer ownership on an > unaltered animal. > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie > wrote: > > > >> Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we > s/n at 6 months. > >> > >> > >> On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote: > >>> We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do > them before that, and from > >> what > >>> I've read about the bad possible side effects > of early s/n in dogs I > >> can't > >>> blame him. > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > > > > > > --Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > > > http://www.rescuties.org > > > > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > > > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! > > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties > > > > Please help Trooper! > > > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper > > > > > > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true > animal lovers they > > can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for > the animals, that they > > should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to > continue." > > > > - Nathan Winograd > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
This is the same way it is done at the clinic I use for all my spays/neuters. I volunteer when I can as I do work closely with them. All are treated equally if any problems arise it is taken care of ASAP by the staff. Everyone is monitored the whole time there. There is plenty on staff to make sure the kitties are doing okay at all times. Like what Susan stated they are continuously checking their respiration making sure they are cared for. I agree they do more for them then the private Vets. I know as I was a Vet Tech for many years and my adult daughter is one as well she states the same thing the clinic does wonderful things cats are given more care then those in private practice. The kitties are also given some wet food when put back in their carriers, crates, or traps. I commend them all for their jobs well done. I have been to the "Chop Shops" this is not one. I'm very pleased in what they do. They have a mission that is to save any unwanted kittens born in this world. By doing so they alter all cats and kittens for free or low cost. If your a rescue this pertains to you as well. If you do not have the funds they will do it for free. Providing you can show proof your getting some type of revenue from the state/federal. In my case I pay for all my spays/neuters at a low cost. All Feral kitties are done free in which I have done as well. Kitties are given FVRCP vaccines along with the Rabies during this time. Their fees are very reasonable. Have specials during different times of the year. Many rescues from all over WA. take their kitties to them for spays/neuters. They are open 7 days a week. Even after the kitty leaves if any problems arise they request you contact them immediately so the proper care can be given. Of course I have regular and specialized Vets that I'm grateful to have for other illnesses and diseases for the rescues and my own personal cats. They too have made comments stating that the clinic does wonderful things for the cats and kittens. Would like to add they have received many awards locally and nationally for what they do. I have included their web site for you all to view. http://www.feralcatproject.org/default.aspx TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message ----Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Susan Hoffman <susan_hoff...@yahoo.com>Date: Tue, December 28, 2010 10:22 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgI volunteer at our local feral spay/neuter clinic (they also s/n cats and kittens being fostered for adoption) and I've watched the procedures so many times. My station is right next to where the neuters are done. The aftercare is amazing. We have so many volunteers just checking respiration all the way through the clinic. The cats at this particular clinic receive more post-surgical monitoring and attention than most private vets can provide. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Gloria B. Lane <gbl...@aristotle.net> wrote:> From: Gloria B. Lane <gbl...@aristotle.net>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:53 PM> I have to say, while our monthly> clinic vet does pediatric spay/neuter, I wouldn't trust> every one to do it, and I understand the term "chop shops".> Compared with other local clinics, I think we do batter> "aftercare" for cats in recovery than any of the others and> that's so important. Can't just put them in a cage or> carrier after surgery, and leave them. Fortunately we> have a good system, and we all trust our vet, who is good> with pediatric s/n, and he's also fast - amazing to watch> him versus some of the other vets. Knowing the vet and> trusting are so important. Otherwise I'd wait a while> too.> > Gloria> > > > On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:> > > I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school> and I haven't. The> > local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them> chop n shops) will do> > them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that> all animals be spayed> > and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of> our kittens with a> > botched spay - never again. Our current vet does> them at 6 months because> > his concern is the health of each individual animal -> and I like that.> > > > We have never had anyone get pregnant.> > > > If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to> adopt, which means we> > still own the animal and they are fostering. It> works if you can keep up> > with it. We never transfer ownership on an> unaltered animal.> &
[Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
.and on the same note, as the rabies providing immunity for up to 4 years, some states accept results of a titer to show that the animal is still protected, especially if an animal's immune system is compromised and too many vaccines aren't advisable. Find out if it applies in your states. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it. Then again, I'll probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter. "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark Twain _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event. The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating will result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats generally have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so much energy goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats are much calmer and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I have never seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost clinic we use does it. Michelle -Original Message- From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
One of our rescues tested positive at the time he was neutered. The vet went ahead and did the surgery. That was about a year ago. He was adopted in September and was fine at that time - and still is as of the last update I received. I'm not saying that neutering couldn't trigger a problem, but in our case, it didn't seem to. Good luck. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lynda Wilson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Agreed---not neutering a male cat ultimately is a whole lot more stressful for the cat. The procedure for male cats is a whole lot less intrusive than for female & I would think that while there is always risk in any surgery, a simple neuter would ultimately be better than not neutering. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of lernermiche...@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event. The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating will result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats generally have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so much energy goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats are much calmer and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I have never seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost clinic we use does it. Michelle -Original Message- From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Females can be spayed via laser which is a lot less traumatic. I don't know about males. Personally I would want a private vet who experienced in FeL+ cats.MHO On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event. The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating will result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats generally have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so much energy goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats are much calmer and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I have never seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost clinic we use does it. Michelle -Original Message- From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
My vet uses very small amount of anesthesia for males, it only takes 10-15 minutes, and they're up and about almost immediately. However, we always give cats to be altered some vitamin shots prior to surgery - Vitamin C, B12. As long as they are asymptomatic, well-fed and rested, no stress - altering males and females is not a problem. Yes, I have had both FeLV and FIV positive cats altered over the years and never had a problem. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 1:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Females can be spayed via laser which is a lot less traumatic. I don't know about males. Personally I would want a private vet who experienced in FeL+ cats.MHO On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event. The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating will result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats generally have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so much energy goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats are much calmer and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I have never seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost clinic we use does it. Michelle -Original Message- From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Thanks for your replies. Lynda, sorry to hear about your cat. That's what I fear. But I do agree as he gets older and is not neutered, he will become very frustrated. It is bad enough he can't be with other cats. When I first called, I was told they won't do the surgery b/c of fear of spreading disease in their facility. That sounded wrong since arent' they supposed to use sterile procedures and keep animals in surgery separate? So I called again and a different person told me the reason was liability. That doesn't sound right either since they make you sign a form accepting risk. This is a facility that euthanizes feral positive cats upon testing when brought for sterilzation unless theperson bringing the cat in takes it back unsterilzed. I do have a private vet but she has seen only one cat test positive in her practice t so I'm not sure if she would know about risks. From: dppl dppl To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:25 PM Subject: neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Tigger was FeLV+ from birth. he WAS tested positive before neutering. the only thing the vet did different was send him home quicker. he lived to be 1 mo short of 5 when he passed nov, 2011. neutering did him no harm...if anything made him even more of a lovebug From: dppl dppl To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Thanks for your replies. Lynda, sorry to hear about your cat. That's what I fear. But I do agree as he gets older and is not neutered, he will become very frustrated. It is bad enough he can't be with other cats. When I first called, I was told they won't do the surgery b/c of fear of spreading disease in their facility. That sounded wrong since arent' they supposed to use sterile procedures and keep animals in surgery separate? So I called again and a different person told me the reason was liability. That doesn't sound right either since they make you sign a form accepting risk. This is a facility that euthanizes feral positive cats upon testing when brought for sterilzation unless theperson bringing the cat in takes it back unsterilzed. I do have a private vet but she has seen only one cat test positive in her practice t so I'm not sure if she would know about risks. From: dppl dppl To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:25 PM Subject: neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is one of the complications of FelV. On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote: >Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the >time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg >for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & >other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if >getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've >mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery just fine regardless of their FelV status. Lorrie On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in >October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time >and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him >neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a >positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system >problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding >out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any >input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give >vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed >positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she >said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was >drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree, but admit, it had me thinking twice. It's heartbreaking that he was fine one day and on death's door the next :( I miss him so! Bless all the sick furry babies... L - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is one of the complications of FelV. On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: > Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we > did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he > was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications > due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered > this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else > heard of this? > - Original Message - > From: dppl dppl > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM > Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He > seems to be > healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have > him > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, > claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered > their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your > experience? > Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent > the > blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that > same visit > when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia wrote: From: Marcia Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Some jurisdictions accept a vet's letter that an animal is not well enough to receive rabies vaccinations. My vet did this when I had a dog with auto-immune issues. If that doesn't work, the vaccination does not have to be done at the same time as the neuter. My current cats are very health but I stretched their vaccinations and neutering out. More trips to the vet and more expensive but worth it to me. On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Gasper wrote: Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia wrote: From: Marcia Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they had never had any trouble with..." Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
yes, i totally agree with you. they should definitelty be stretched out!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote: > Some jurisdictions accept a vet's letter that an animal is not well enough > to receive rabies vaccinations. My vet did this when I had a dog with > auto-immune issues. > > If that doesn't work, the vaccination does not have to be done at the same > time as the neuter. My current cats are very health but I stretched their > vaccinations and neutering out. More trips to the vet and more expensive > but worth it to me. > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Gasper wrote: > > Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It > is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at > most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one > another but not FIV/FeLV. > And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give > rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. > One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or > they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were > killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary > manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic > staff on the other hand..argh > Marta > > http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ > > --- On *Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia * wrote: > > > From: Marcia > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM > > My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, > they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what > started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I > agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" > http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=longhornf...@verizon.net>> > wrote: > > Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time > we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when > he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other > complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him > neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. > Has anyone else heard of this? > > - Original Message - > *From:* dppl > dppl<http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dppl1...@yahoo.com> > *To:* > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > I still have Mitt, the kitten* I found in October who tested positive. He > seems to be* > *healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should > have him* > *neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a > positive cat,* > *claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone > neutered* > *their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your > experience?* > *Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the > vet give* > *vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She > sent the* > *blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and > that same visit* > *when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.* > -- > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > __
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Vaccinating FeLV+ kittens is far more dangerous than neutering them. However, since they would be indoor cats anyway, no danger of impregnating any females, I don’t see any real reason for neutering them. If one considers that their lives would not be that long, if they already exhibit symptoms, the only thing that could happen is that they might start spraying and have very stinky urine. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl <mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines.who would know? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta <http://homelessnomore.webs.com/> http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia wrote: From: Marcia Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=longhornf...@verizon.net> > wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl <http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dppl1...@yahoo.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the weather.you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they had never had any trouble with..." Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl <mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC might be a little off - I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of it as she was completely healthy - I was devastated. Hideyo > Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500 > From: felineres...@frontier.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or > spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery > just fine regardless of their FelV status. > > Lorrie > > On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in > > October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time > > and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him > > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a > > positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system > > problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding > > out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any > > input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give > > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed > > positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she > > said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was > > drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I had two females. One was treated as a regular cat, spayed, came home and was kept up and checked on regularly. She was fine, eating and.well fine when I checked her on the second/third night. She was dying in my arms the next morning. A very few months later I had another female, tested for everything, taken to another vet (she was not related to the first girl), spayed and given a lot more care. She came home, was kept up and was dying in my arms the third day. There was no evidence of any problems with either girl. And both vets are great but they are one person practices so they weren't around when I needed them the most. Two cats, two vets..it happens and we can't always predict it. Needless to say, I die inside every time I have a female spayed and have found a multiple vet practice that is a longer way from here and no girl comes home until after the third day. At least she will be near medical care if things go sour Things happen and sometimes there just isn't anything we can do. We do our very best and that is all we can do. On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:07 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC might be a little off - I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of it as she was completely healthy - I was devastated. Hideyo > Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500 > From: felineres...@frontier.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or > spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery > just fine regardless of their FelV status. > > Lorrie > > On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in > > October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time > > and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him > > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a > > positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system > > problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding > > out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any > > input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give > > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed > > positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she > > said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was > > drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I can't wait until they perfect non surgical sterilzation of animals. I suppose they will be other issues though as they always is with drugs, etc. But maybe not. This site http://www.spayusa.org/main_directory/04-sterilization_methods/nonsurgical/index.asp says they are working on non surgical sterilzation.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS wrote: > My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the > weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that > time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I > expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they had never had any > trouble with..." Given that most cats in this county, including the > little one in question, live outside, he would never know. > > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: > > > My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they > vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started > him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it > would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: > > Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we > did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he > was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications > due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered > this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else > heard of this? > - Original Message - > From: dppl dppl > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM > Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He > seems to be > healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have > him > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, > claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered > their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your > experience? > Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent > the > blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that > same visit > when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I'm so sorry you had to go through all of that, and for your cats too. How horrible. Marcia Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:44 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote: > I had two females. One was treated as a regular cat, spayed, came home and > was kept up and checked on regularly. She was fine, eating and.well fine > when I checked her on the second/third night. She was dying in my arms the > next morning. A very few months later I had another female, tested for > everything, taken to another vet (she was not related to the first girl), > spayed and given a lot more care. She came home, was kept up and was dying > in my arms the third day. There was no evidence of any problems with either > girl. And both vets are great but they are one person practices so they > weren't around when I needed them the most. Two cats, two vets..it > happens and we can't always predict it. Needless to say, I die inside every > time I have a female spayed and have found a multiple vet practice that is a > longer way from here and no girl comes home until after the third day. At > least she will be near medical care if things go sour Things happen and > sometimes there just isn't anything we can do. We do our very best and that > is all we can do. > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:07 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: > >> I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks >> good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC >> might be a little off - >> I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of >> triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month >> after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of >> it as she was completely healthy - I was devastated. >> >> Hideyo >> >> > Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500 >> > From: felineres...@frontier.com >> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat >> > >> > I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or >> > spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery >> > just fine regardless of their FelV status. >> > >> > Lorrie >> > >> > On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in >> > > October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time >> > > and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him >> > > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a >> > > positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system >> > > problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding >> > > out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any >> > > input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give >> > > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed >> > > positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she >> > > said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was >> > > drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Felvtalk mailing list >> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I cannot imagine having & uneutered cat in my house. The smell would get untolerable as they mature. I've always fixed my FeLV cats. The syress on them has to be worse than the surgery. I would not vaccinate for FVRCP. My one cat spiraled down hill quickly after the vaccine & I've heard of othrs having the same problem. I would have the CBC done 1st. Beth GRAS wrote: >Vaccinating FeLV+ kittens is far more dangerous than neutering them. However, >since they would be indoor cats anyway, no danger of impregnating any females, >I don’t see any real reason for neutering them. If one considers that their >lives would not be that long, if they already exhibit symptoms, the only thing >that could happen is that they might start spraying and have very stinky urine. > > > >From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia >Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:48 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > > >My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they >vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started >him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it >would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. > >Sent from my iPhone > > >On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: > >Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we >did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was >much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to >being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but >now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? > >- Original Message - > >From: dppl dppl <mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com> > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM > >Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > > >I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems >to be > >healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have >him > >neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, > >claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered > >their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your >experience? > >Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give > >vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent >the > >blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that >same visit > >when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. > > _ > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I agree with FeLV cats, but I never had an issue vaccinating my healthy FIV cat. I had to vaccinate him for FeLV as he lived with FeLV cats. I only gave him The FVRCP vaccine when I did a lot of rescue & was worried about exposure since I was dealing with a lot of kittens from bad situations. Beth Marta Gasper wrote: >Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is >most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the >rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but >not FIV/FeLV. >And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give >rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. >One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they >shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a >nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least >she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other >hand..argh >Marta > >http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ > >--- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia wrote: > > >From: Marcia >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM > > > > >My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they >vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started >him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it >would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: > > > > > > > >Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we >did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was >much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to >being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but >now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? > >- Original Message - >From: dppl dppl >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM >Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > > >I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems >to be >healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have >him >neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, >claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered >their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your >experience? >Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give >vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent >the >blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that >same visit >when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >-Inline Attachment Follows- > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc. He treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does surgery. Marcia wrote: > I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes > up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS wrote: > > > My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the > > weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any > > reactions > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > > > I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that > > time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When > > I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they had never had > > any trouble with..." Given that most cats in this county, > > including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: > > > > > > My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, > > they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what > > started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I > > agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" > > wrote: > > > > Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we > > did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he > > was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications > > due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered > > this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else > > heard of this? > > - Original Message - > > From: dppl dppl > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM > > Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > > > I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He > > seems to be > > healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should > > have him > > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive > > cat, > > claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered > > their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your > > experience? > > Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet > > give > > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She > > sent the > > blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that > > same visit > > when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
If the neutering was going to affect him it would have been right away. My own cat acted fine one day (playing in the yard under supervision) & at the emergency vet the next day with severe anemia. Cats are good at hiding illness. I know the anemia did not come on overnight. She was just hiding it until she couldn't hide it anymore. Don't beat yourself up over neutering your baby. That wasn't the problem. It was just this horrible virus. Beth Lynda Wilson wrote: >I agree, but admit, it had me thinking twice. It's heartbreaking that he was >fine one day and on death's door the next :( I miss him so! > >Bless all the sick furry babies... > >L >- Original Message - >From: "Lorrie" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:07 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > >>I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is >> one of the complications of FelV. >> >> >> On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote: >>>Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the >>>time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg >>>for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & >>>other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if >>>getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've >>>mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Stress definitely plays a role! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of HIDEYO YAMAMOTO Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC might be a little off - I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of it as she was completely healthy - I was devastated. Hideyo > Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500 > From: felineres...@frontier.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or > spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery > just fine regardless of their FelV status. > > Lorrie > > On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in > > October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time > > and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him > > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a > > positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system > > problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding > > out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any > > input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give > > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed > > positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she > > said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was > > drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on a cat without vaccinations. What if surgery is imminently required, does he wait until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if it may be dangerous for the cat to wait? This also means that a sick cat would have to be vaccinated, doesn't it? Very odd! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc. He treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does surgery. Marcia wrote: > I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes > up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS wrote: > > > My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the > > weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any > > reactions > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > > > I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that > > time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When > > I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they had never had > > any trouble with..." Given that most cats in this county, > > including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: > > > > > > My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, > > they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what > > started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I > > agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" > > wrote: > > > > Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we > > did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he > > was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications > > due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered > > this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else > > heard of this? > > - Original Message - > > From: dppl dppl > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM > > Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > > > I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested > > positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months > > old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane > > society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery > > could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive > > cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? > > Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why > > the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that > > showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she > > said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she > > went ahead and did vaccinations. > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem > > ia.org ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem > > ia.org ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem > > ia.org > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem > > ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what "outside" is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said "I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot". They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS wrote: > However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not > giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? > > ** ** > > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Marta Gasper > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:19 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > ** ** > > Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It > is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at > most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one > another but not FIV/FeLV. > > And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give > rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV.*** > * > > One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or > they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were > killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary > manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic > staff on the other hand..argh > > Marta**** > > > > http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ > > --- On *Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia * wrote: > > > From: Marcia > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM > > My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, > they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what > started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I > agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" > http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=longhornf...@verizon.net>> > wrote: > > Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time > we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when > he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other > complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him > neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. > Has anyone else heard of this? > > - Original Message - > > *From:* dppl > dppl<http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dppl1...@yahoo.com> > > > *To:* > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > > *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM > > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > ** ** > > I still have Mitt, the kitten* I found in October who tested positive. He > seems to be* > > *healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should > have him* > > *neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a > positive cat,* > > *claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone > neutered* > > *their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your > experience?* > > *Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the > vet give* > > *vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She > sent the * > > *blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and > that same visit* > > *when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.* > -- > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<http://us
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vets don't want unvaccinated animals in their clinics because they are trying to protect against the spread of disease. I was at the vet a few months ago when someone brought in a puppy which clearly had Parvo & placed it on the floor! The vet quickly took car of the issue, but if others had been in there with unvaccinated animals it could have been a real problem. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: GRAS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on a cat without vaccinations. What if surgery is imminently required, does he wait until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if it may be dangerous for the cat to wait? This also means that a sick cat would have to be vaccinated, doesn't it? Very odd! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc. He treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does surgery. Marcia wrote: > I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes > up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS wrote: > > > My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the > > weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any > > reactions > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > > > I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that > > time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When > > I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they had never had > > any trouble with..." Given that most cats in this county, > > including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: > > > > > > My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, > > they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what > > started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I > > agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" > > wrote: > > > > Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we > > did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he > > was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications > > due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered > > this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else > > heard of this? > > - Original Message - > > From: dppl dppl > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM > > Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > > > I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested > > positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months > > old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane > > society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery > > could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive > > cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? > > Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why > > the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that > > showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she > > said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she > > went ahead and did vaccinations. > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem > > ia.org _
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Interestingly, the vaccination is not retro-activethere is a time lapse between the vaccination and the time it takes effect so vaccinating one the day of surgery gives no one protection. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:26 AM, GRAS wrote: It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on a cat without vaccinations. What if surgery is imminently required, does he wait until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if it may be dangerous for the cat to wait? This also means that a sick cat would have to be vaccinated, doesn't it? Very odd! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc. He treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does surgery. Marcia wrote: I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS wrote: My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they had never had any trouble with..." Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" > wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what "outside" is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said "I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot". They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS wrote: However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia wrote: From: Marcia Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 " I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journ
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I said that to my vet one time about the vaccine offering no protection at all if given at the same time as surgery. The vet agreed. What could she say. We weren't talking about a specific pet though so there was no arguing but when I said it to a vet tech one time it kind of shocked her and she finally stumbled out that they just have to do it for the sake of liability, etc. just so they can say they gave the shot. We weren't talking about the rabies shot though so I know she was just grasping at straws. Matter of fact, I almost refuse to have vaccinations done at the time of surgery because I am already worried about the surgery weakening their immune system. I get them done ahead of time if at all possible. Every situation is different and I get by with certain things with certain vets because I've been in rescue for awhile. But yeah, most vets I know also won't do surgery without vaccinations. My normal vet won't even do surgery without the pre-surgery bloodwork. That should be optional not required. Pissed me off when I found out about it. It's not required for Humane society fosters but for normal clients it is. Regarding the cat needing to be neutered - many FeLV + cats get fixed and recover okay. I look at it like this - there's just no choice when it comes to spay/neuter. It's a necessary risk. The animal will be miserable without the surgery and will try to get out and might infect other cats. Just don't do the vaccinations like everyone else said. If the kitty needs a rabies get it done a couple weeks ahead if possible. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > From: maima...@gmail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:20:40 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > Interestingly, the vaccination is not retro-activethere is a time > lapse between the vaccination and the time it takes effect so > vaccinating one the day of surgery gives no one protection. > On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:26 AM, GRAS wrote: > > > It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on > > a cat without vaccinations. What if surgery is imminently required, > > does he wait until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if > > it may be dangerous for the cat to wait? This also means that a > > sick cat would have to be vaccinated, doesn't it? Very odd! Natalie > > > > -Original Message- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > ] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > > > > My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up > > to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc. He > > treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does > > surgery. > > > > Marcia wrote: > >> I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat > >> never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS wrote: > >> > >>> My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly > >>> under the weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have > >>> had any reactions > >>> > >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM > >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat > >>> > >>> I started making it very plain that I did not want the > >>> vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies > >>> shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the > >>> tech informed me that "they had never had any trouble > >>> with..." Given that most cats in this county, including > >>> the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered.
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Good point. All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten. I hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies shot. She's about four and a half months old right now. Do you think I should get one for her? She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she can't get out. It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I guess, but not likely. I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in case. What do you guys think? I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary vaccinations. Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote:My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what "outside" is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said "I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot". They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS wrote: However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Figure the chances of something biting her and that the something might be rabid and might pass that on to her vs possible issues with the vaccine. Remembering of course that she is young and compromised as is. On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: Good point. All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten. I hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies shot. She's about four and a half months old right now. Do you think I should get one for her? She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she can't get out. It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I guess, but not likely. I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in case. What do you guys think? I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary vaccinations. Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what "outside" is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said "I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot". They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS wrote: However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
When you do, get the 3-yr rabies; my vet says there's no longer of any danger as there used to be. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Figure the chances of something biting her and that the something might be rabid and might pass that on to her vs possible issues with the vaccine. Remembering of course that she is young and compromised as is. On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: Good point. All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten. I hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies shot. She's about four and a half months old right now. Do you think I should get one for her? She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she can't get out. It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I guess, but not likely. I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in case. What do you guys think? I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary vaccinations. Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old. "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark Twain _ From: maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what "outside" is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said "I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot". They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS wrote: However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines.who would know? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it. Then again, I'll probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:06:22 -0500 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat When you do, get the 3-yr rabies; my vet says there’s no longer of any danger as there used to be. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Figure the chances of something biting her and that the something might be rabid and might pass that on to her vs possible issues with the vaccine. Remembering of course that she is young and compromised as is.On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: Good point. All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten. I hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies shot. She's about four and a half months old right now. Do you think I should get one for her? She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she can't get out. It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I guess, but not likely. I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in case. What do you guys think? I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary vaccinations. Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark TwainFrom: maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so.On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what "outside" is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said "I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot". They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!!On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS wrote:However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
the 1 year and 3 year shots are the same shot. the recommendations just require a booster 1 year after the first shot, so the first time it's calle 1 year and thereafter 3 year. there is a less common brand called purevax that is only approved for every year versus every 3 years. it's only if you get that one that it's different than a 3 year. i get that for my cats because it does not have the adjuvant that can cause tumors. But I avoided vaccinating my positives entirely. They had one rabies and initial distemper when they came to me and i left it at that. when i moved and had to license i got a vet exemption letter due to health. Michelle -Original Message- From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it. Then again, I'll probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:06:22 -0500 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat When you do, get the 3-yr rabies; my vet says there’s no longer of any danger as there used to be. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Figure the chances of something biting her and that the something might be rabid and might pass that on to her vs possible issues with the vaccine. Remembering of course that she is young and compromised as is. On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: Good point. All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten. I hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies shot. She's about four and a half months old right now. Do you think I should get one for her? She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she can't get out. It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I guess, but not likely. I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in case. What do you guys think? I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary vaccinations. Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what "outside" is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said "I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot". They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS wrote: However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? __
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Oh, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. I had heard that the one year and the three year shots were the same but I didn't understand why the shots were a different price and the vets talk like it's a different shot. I might start asking for the Purevax without the adjuvant for my cats. I didn't really know there was an option so that's also helpful information. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: lernermiche...@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:22:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat the 1 year and 3 year shots are the same shot. the recommendations just require a booster 1 year after the first shot, so the first time it's calle 1 year and thereafter 3 year. there is a less common brand called purevax that is only approved for every year versus every 3 years. it's only if you get that one that it's different than a 3 year. i get that for my cats because it does not have the adjuvant that can cause tumors. But I avoided vaccinating my positives entirely. They had one rabies and initial distemper when they came to me and i left it at that. when i moved and had to license i got a vet exemption letter due to health. Michelle -Original Message- From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it. Then again, I'll probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Neutering a positive cat update
My little found positive kitten, now growing cat I found was neutered last week. He came thru ok. As a precaution, the vet gave fluids during the surgery b/c his bloodwork showed slightly elevated in one of the kidney function areas which the vet thought might be due to dehydration. Sadly, he tested positive under the IFA test after testing positive under ELISA in Nov. But he seems ok. Unfortunately I have to keep him isolated. Both tests were sent out, the ELISA cost 55 and the IFA 85. Is this the norm? If I didn't have other cats, I don't think I would do routine testing if the cat was not showing any symptoms and i kept the cat indoors.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering a positive cat update
If the IFA & Elisa tests are both positive there is no reason to retest. The cat is infected. The cost you mention is in line with what I've paid. You may want to search the archives on "mixing". Many on this list,including me, mix their positives & negatives. Beth dppl dppl wrote: > > My little found positive kitten, now growing cat I found was neutered last >week. He came thru ok. As a precaution, >the vet gave fluids during the surgery b/c his bloodwork showed slightly >elevated in one of the kidney function >areas which the vet thought might be due to dehydration. >Sadly, he tested positive under the IFA test after testing positive under >ELISA in Nov. But he seems ok. Unfortunately >I have to keep him isolated. Both tests were sent out, the ELISA cost 55 and >the IFA 85. >Is this the norm? If I didn't have other cats, I don't think I >would do routine testing if the cat was not showing any symptoms and i kept >the cat indoors. >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering a positive cat update
That's a reasonable cost! It means that the virus is in his bone marrow already. Glad he came through OK - good thing that neutering is such a short and easy procedure. It's a good idea TO TEST, BECAUSE YOU CAN TAKE STEPS TO HELP THE CAT THAT IS POSITIVE BY PROVIDING EXTRA NUTRITION, VITAMINS, ETC. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dppl dppl Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering a positive cat update My little found positive kitten, now growing cat I found was neutered last week. He came thru ok. As a precaution, the vet gave fluids during the surgery b/c his bloodwork showed slightly elevated in one of the kidney function areas which the vet thought might be due to dehydration. Sadly, he tested positive under the IFA test after testing positive under ELISA in Nov. But he seems ok. Unfortunately I have to keep him isolated. Both tests were sent out, the ELISA cost 55 and the IFA 85. Is this the norm? If I didn't have other cats, I don't think I would do routine testing if the cat was not showing any symptoms and i kept the cat indoors. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering a positive cat update
My vet said I can mix as long as the other cats are up to date On their FELV vaccinations and I have mixed them for 4 years now, no problems. As long as they don't have fights that involve biting. My guys hiss and slap, but no biting. Beth wrote: > If the IFA & Elisa tests are both positive there is no reason to retest. The > cat is infected. The cost you mention is in line with what I've paid. You may want to search the archives on "mixing". Many on this list,including me, mix their positives & negatives. Beth dppl dppl wrote: > > My little found positive kitten, now growing cat I found was neutered last >week. He came thru ok. As a precaution, >the vet gave fluids during the surgery b/c his bloodwork showed slightly >elevated in one of the kidney function >areas which the vet thought might be due to dehydration. >Sadly, he tested positive under the IFA test after testing positive under >ELISA in Nov. But he seems ok. Unfortunately >I have to keep him isolated. Both tests were sent out, the ELISA cost 55 and >the IFA 85. >Is this the norm? If I didn't have other cats, I don't think I >would do routine testing if the cat was not showing any symptoms and i kept >the cat indoors. >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
