Re: Problems at DR test
On 6/21/2011 9:18 AM, Scott Rohling wrote: my 2 cents: because most 009 consoles are defined as 3215 on z/VM guests. (as for the ones that are listed.. ummm.. darts? :-) Scott Rohling On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 8:09 AM, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net mailto:dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote: 1) This is the default value for Operator_Consolesin the SYSTEM CONFIGfile (and probably most shops do not delete or change the last two entries): Operator_Consoles 0020 0021 0022 0023 0E20 0E21 1020 , System_3270 System_Console As I understand it, the Operating System Messages window is always available to each LPAR. So if it is in most paths for z/VM to find a console, why should we ever see PSWs of 1010? Shouldn't z/VM always find the Operating System Messages window as a last resort? (I must have one of my assumptions wrong, because we do see 1010s). Related question: given the addresses listed in the default list seem kinda random, is there any reason why 009 **isn’t** listed? The other addresses listed are the default addresses of so 3274 and 3174 terminal controllers that were popular in the 1970's and 1980's. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Mobile: (405) 464-7818 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23
When you must support both you need to always state which you are referring to (zVM) or (VMware). Scott Rohling wrote: I just say zVM (or zed-VM) whenever referring to 'our' VM -- that seems to keep everyone clear. And I don't refer to VMWare at all - which keeps it even clearer ;-) Scott -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23
On VMware you can move a running virtual machine from one ESX machine to another without the operating systems running on the virtual machine knowing it. There are many good ideas from zVM that have been copied by VMware. This is an example going the other way - zVM is using a VMware idea. Both VMware and zVM developers will tell you that they don't get ideas from the other - but as an administrator of both systems I can see what is happening. Same thing different names - a minidisk on zVM is a vmdk on VMware. A vSwitch on VMware is ... Now zVM is adding vmotion from VMware, so they call it Single System Image. Alain Benveniste wrote: I'm not sure what should be understood by Single System Image ? Could you give me a brief explanation of this meaning ? -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23
Alan Altmark wrote: On Thursday, 10/22/2009 at 04:04 EDT, Stephen Frazier ste...@doc.state.ok.us wrote: Now zVM is adding vmotion from VMware, so they call it Single System Image. Actually, no. Single System Image is a cluster architecture. Live Guest Relocation (which requires an SSI cluster) is just one of the services that an SSI cluster will provide. [See my other post.] Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott So SSI (zVM0 is HA (VMware) and Live Guest Relocation (zVM) is vmotion (VMware). The architecture is SSI or HA and LGR or vmotion is what you can do with the architecture. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: ISPF/PDF CMS MACLIB - Maintenance
Schuh, Richard wrote: The developers of the application chose to have the data maintained in a single, ever-increasing, highly used, frequently updated ISPF library, with no maintenance routines, and no good way to identify obsolete members. The application was already firmly entrenched when Mark and I arrived at Visa. There have been at least three unsuccessful attempts to replace in during my tenure here. The current attempt is nearing completion. With luck, we only have to keep the application running for a few more months.. Don't worry about it breaking. If the old one dies then that is a great incentive for the developers to get the new one working quickly. :) I didn't say that. Who me. Never. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Network Problem?
Schuh, Richard wrote: At 9:57 local time, I sent a reply to something on the list. I just received, at 13:50, a notice that said Delivery delayed for the note. Is anybody else getting this kind of response? Assuming that this note reaches its destination, which may be a bad assumption. Regards, Richard Schuh I noticed some messages arriving out of order today. Replies that came before the message they replied to. The list must be in some kind of a time warp today. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
Alan Altmark wrote: That's true, but it goes even deeper. Backup/Restore is vendor space, including IBM's own offerings. We can't do things in the base product or give away things that would negatively affect the value of such software. But that's all stuff that gets sorted out when the actual requirement is analyzed by product planners and we understand what technology is needed and how it is best delivered. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott It looks to me like we are talking about 2 separate requirements. 1. Add and document the ability for VM to read and write to bootable DVD and USB drives. 2. Change the Backup/Restore products (both IBM and other vendors) to exploit the abilities added in requirement 1. Requirement #1 is a prerequisite for requirement #2. But, requirement #2 is the justification for requirement #1. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Last release for 3420s?
Alan Altmark wrote: On Friday, 06/05/2009 at 11:17 EDT, Lee Stewart lstewart.dsgr...@attglobal.net wrote: Do I recall right that the last VM release to support 3420 type tapes was z/VM 4.4? Was that just CMS that no longer supports them, or both CP CMS? Whatever the release was, it was a z/VM statement covering all components. However, no code was harmed in the making of that announcement. All it means is that we're no longer maintaining the 3420 code and if something doesn't work quite right, we're under no obligation to fix it. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott Some people who have tried 3420's on z/VM 5.3 said they work. However IBM is no longer testing 3420 code and if it ever stops working they may not fix it. Finding the actual 3420 hardware that still works is getting difficult. :) -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Clean Linux Guest Shutdown
Mark Post wrote: On 6/3/2009 at 2:52 PM, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: In /etc/zipl.conf, change parameters = root=/dev/dasda1 TERM=dumb To parameters = root=/dev/dasda1 TERM=dumb vmpoff=LOGOFF vmhalt=LOGOFF This is also unnecessary. It just causes the guest to log itself off, which z/VM doesn't really care about one way or the other. Mark Post It may be unnecessary, but I like to see them go away when they are finished shutting down. I also prefer my desktop to actually turn off instead of displaying a message saying you can power off now but maybe I am . :) -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Virtualized Desktop
Ward, Mike S wrote: Hello, all. I have a question. It seems that we are looking into a virtualized desktop environment (Single Image) on our distributed side. I kind of laugh at this because that's where we came from with VM and an OS running under VM (Green Screen) long ago and now it's making full circle. In VM how do you determine the amount of hardware MIPS, Disk, Etc... for let's say 1000 users? Is there any kind of formula to go by? I know in the distributed environment, it will probably take a lot of disk space, and as far as performance I don't think it would be as snappy as a real VM system. I used to work at a shop where we had 2500 users and a few with APL, that's right APL. Anyone that's been around knows what APL programmers did for VM. And in that shop response time was good even under MVS/CICS under VM. Anyway any comments, suggestions, criticisms are welcome. We recently did a POC to see if we could replace about 1000 Windows PC with thin clients linked to VMware running on HP blades and a HP SAN storage. The POC worked well with 10 users. We are probably going to implement it in the next fiscal year. I don't have the costs with me now but the 10 HP blades that we will need cost more than a z10. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Question on SERVICE EXEC and PUT2PROD
Karl Kingston wrote: We're about to apply some RSU's to our current 5.3 system.System has been running great without issues. Right now, I'd like to minimize the downtime for our users.Since we're running z/Linux with production servers. Is running SERVICE EXEC distruptive to the running system? I would think PUT2PROD would be. Can I run SERVICE to apply the service and then at a later time when we schedule an outage, I can run PUT2PROD and SHUTDOWN/re-IPL? Thanks Run SERVICE at any time. When you are ready run PUT2PROD and re-IPL. Unlike some systems PUT2PROD will not force a re-IPL but you should do one soon after it runs if there were updates to the CP NUCLEUS on the RSU. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Empty Service tapes?
I used to have a utility from some user group called TAPEMAP that would scan a tape and tell how many tapemarks were on a tape and where they were in feet from the beginning reflector strip. It also told you haw many blocks of data were recorded between each tapemark and the size of the largest block. There were some other things on the report but I don't remember what they were. The utility would not work on tape cartages just reel tapes. On rare occasions I wish I had it to find what is on a tape. If anyone updated it to work with newer tapes it would be what you need to get started on finding the data. Now, I just mount the tape on VSE and use interactive DITTO to look at unknown tapes. FWIW, the PSP tape shares a common format with MVS and starts with a tape mark, then the file in MOVEFILE format, then (I think) another TM. That's why the EOT option is important on VMFPLC2 SCAN. Believe me, Sir, I tried all of the above! The error started with FSF and Movefile and continued with VMFPLC2 (with and without (EOT) ... -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: 5.4 Install curiosity
Steve Mitchell wrote: To the best of my knowledge 'YES'. I do know I put the DVD in the drive, and when the lights quit flashing entered go. I though I verified all the messages, but as I said originally, I am human, ie 'to err is human'! In that case then you have installed the RSU that was shipped with the order. Is it the latest RSU available? I don't know and neither do you. Order from IBM the latest RSU. Apply it. If anything applies then you didn't have the latest RSU. If nothing applies then you have it already. When IBM releases a new RSU order it and apply it. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: XSTORE
Schuh, Richard wrote: What size does it have to be to become a fist? There are USB flash memory drives that are at least 64GB. Regards, Richard Schuh I have one that is 1000GB. Thats very close to a TB. :) Mine is bigger than yours. :) -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Mantissa and X86
Dave Jones wrote: Hi, Steve. On July 22,2008, Gary Dennis of Mantissa Corp made the following statement on the VM list: In Q1 2009 Mantissa will deliver a system that permits unaltered Windows operating systems to run under z/VM. Gary Dennis Mantissa Corporation I am guessing that the way that this might work is to run the Windows system 'headless' on z/VM, and then have some sort of thin client connect to the server. I believe that Microsoft has implemented a protocol for doing just this sort of thing. Have a good one. I expect that it will work somewhat like VMware VIEW. The user logs on to VIEW with a thin client and their desktop (running on a X86 VMware server) appears. VIEW keeps track of the users and which virtual machine belongs to which user. VIEW also creates new virtual machines for new users from a template (think of a virtual machine with no cpu or memory). VIEW is a well thought out front end for VMware. Now that Mantissa is running Windows on z/VM the obvious next step is VIEW for z/VM. :) Maybe Mantissa has already done it. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Short user description in sample CP directory
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! The most beautiful and well written web page I ever saw. Should be required reading for everyone who ever allocates VM dasd. Alan Altmark wrote: By the way, the VTOC page is done. Please see http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/altmarka/vtoc.html for information about the VTOC on a CP-owned volume. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: DASD VOL1 doc
Tony Thigpen wrote: Anybody know where in the VM manuals the layout of the VOL1 label is documented? I don't know where it is documented now but the DASD and tape VOL1 records are the same format. The fields that are meaningful only tor tape are reserved on DASD and those that are for DASD only are reserved on tape. There was a manual called something like Labels Formats for MVS, DOS, and VM that covered both DASD and tape labels. I have not seen it in many years and do not know if it still exists. It probably was renamed after MVS became z/OS and DOS became VSE. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: A modest request
Chip Davis wrote: I suspect most folks are unaware of this issue. It really should be added to the listserver netiquette guide along with trim your quotes, avoid long siglines, and never annoy Chuckie (I'm sure that one's in there; if not it should be added too. :-) DO NOT HIJACK A THREAD is a part of listserver netiquette. It has been for almost as long as their have been lists and threads. But some people are so selfish that they don't bother to use netiquette. I try never to reply to hijackers. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Fw: Disk Accounting Records
I have been using it for at least 10 years. I think it has been there as long as account records has. Scott Rohling wrote: So I guess it's on MAINT 193 :-) Thanks to everybody for the replies.. I wonder how long ACCOUNT MODULE has been out there -- I coded up an EXEC to do the tallying some time ago -- definitely not the first time I found myself having reinvented a wheel :-) Thanks again! Scott Rohling -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: support type questions.
John McKown wrote: Is the following statement true? (I don't know) If insert OS and release and insert VM relase is supported on insert machine, then insert OS and release is supported under insert VM relese on insert machine. That is what a supported VM means. I.e. is there ever a case where an OS will run on some machine, but will not run under z/VM on that same machine? Only if you are missing a PTF on VM. When a new machine is released sometimes VM will require a PTF to support the new machine. Also, could there be a case when an OS, which is designed to run native (aka bare metal) will __NOT__ run on a particular machine, but will run on that machine under z/VM? Please ignore any OS which is specifically designed to run only under z/VM, such as CMS or the Solaris port that I've read about. On some machines some releases of VSE will only run under VM. Example - at one time VSE would not run native on a machine with more than 16 meg of storage. If you had a machine with more memory you could run VM on it and define virtual machines with 16 meg or less and run VSE in those machines. There may be other examples of VM hiding a feature of a machine from a guest OS so that it can run. Just curious. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: LOGONBY
LOGONBY has been a part of CP since before VM/ESA 2.3 (1998). It is not mentioned in the Quick Reference for VM/SP 6 (1988) so it was added between 1988 and 1998. It has been around a long time. Maybe even longer that RACF. (I don't know when it was introduced on VM.) David Boyes wrote: It’s controllable by RACF, but is part of CP (finally). Is LOGONBY a RACF thing or z/VM??? -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Undocumented return code for message DTCOSD223E
Whenever I find an undocumented message from IBM software I open a support call with IBM. They will find the answer for me and will request an update to the manual. The message is then included in the next version of the manual so everyone else can find it. Raymond Noal wrote: I receive a return code of ‘E010 from SETRTG for IPv4’ in message DTCOSD223E when my virtual switch virtual machine is XAUTOLOG’ed. I have RTFM’ed the TCP/IP Messages and Codes manual and also searched IBMLINK for this return code for this message – all to no avail. Have any of you encountered this return code or have any idea of where to go for further research? -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: SPOOL/PAGE and cylinder zero
I remember IBM sent out an APAR for VM/SP to fix the problem. I would hope the code has been included in every VM since then. Bill Holder wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:54:51 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Look in the archives of this listserver and you will find z/VM Developme nt stating that the volume label is safe from CP, even if cyl zero is allocated as page or spool. From a system management point of view, however, and for your sanity's sake, however, I suggest that cylinder zero SHOULD always be allocated a s PERM. Adding one additional cylinder will not help the system in any meaningful way and only serves to create controversy and risk. So, someone is wrong from a technology perspective, but right in terms of Best Practice. BTW, CP will happily hand out cylinder 0 to a guest if it is marked as T-disk. Dumb, perhaps, but true. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott = For what it's worth, ICKDSF (which CPFMTXA uses) was changed several year s ago and no longer permits allocation cylinder 0 as tdisk, though the prob lem could still occur with volumes formatted before that change (or by some other utility). Page and Spool usage of cylinder 0 has worked properly and been supported by the VM/XA - VM/ESA - z/VM lineage the entire time I've been with VM (th at is, since 1986). In that entire time, I'm unaware of even one problem involving page or spool usage of cylinder 0 (and I've been the team leade r / subsystem owner of the most affected area for 18+ of those years, so I wo uld have heard). Still, as long as there's any risk (with tdisk allocations) and confusion and misunderstanding, I won't argue with the recommended best practices of avoiding cylinder 0 simply to avoid having to have these discussions ever y few months (or at least, to keep them short). - Bill Holder, z/VM Development, IBM -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Interesting bit of reporting
I haven't used a T3 system. However, we have had a FLEX-ES system from Cornerstone for about 6 years. It uses the same emulator software as the T3 system and similar hardware. I have observed a mean time between unplanned outages of 1 to 2 years. Macioce, Larry wrote: With the last reply, I guess the question needs to be asked ,What was the mtfb of the t systems? Are there any subscribers here who are familiar with these systems?? Mace -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Safety Reminder: If you are planning disk upgrades, make sure you switch your Linux guests to by-path IDs in /etc/fstab BEFORE you switch
Two questions that anyone who is new enough to need your reminder will ask are: What default do you suggest? When changing it, how should it be changed? The old timers here will know the answers. David Boyes wrote: A safety reminder: If you’re planning to replace disk subsystems, make sure your Linux guests (particularly any SLES 10 or above) guests do NOT use by-ID paths in /etc/fstab. Fix this BEFORE the new disk goes in, both RH and SuSE (Debian, too), or your guests will not be able to find their filesystems (and thus won’t boot or run). This really should be in IBM and other DASD vendors planning information for new installs, and I’d demand a fix from your Linux vendors. By-ID is a stupid default for this architecture (for any architecture, I’d argue…) and needs a fix ASAP. IBM, EMC, Hitachi: how do we get this added to your planning guides? RH, Novell, how about it? -- db -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Safety Reminder: If you are planning disk upgrades, make sure you switch your Linux guests to by-path IDs in /etc/fstab BEFORE you switch
And thank you Bobby for admitting that you didn't understand David's reminder. You probably helped lots of other newbies that were wondering what this was about but were afraid to ask. Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] wrote: Thanks David, something new to look into. Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 I'm new enough to ask. What? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 -Original Message- From: Stephen Frazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:47 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Safety Reminder: If you are planning disk upgrades, make sure you switch your Linux guests to by-path IDs in /etc/fstab BEFORE you switch Two questions that anyone who is new enough to need your reminder will ask are: What default do you suggest? When changing it, how should it be changed? The old timers here will know the answers. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: TCPIP
Could be. Ask your network people who is at IP address 10.17.2.5 and what they are doing. Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) wrote: Denial of service attacks: Attacks Elapsed Attack Attack IP Address Detected Time Duration --- - - - Smurf-IC 10.17.2.5 210 0:04:46 0:04:45 Does anyone know what this means and if it is a real problem? It looks like the ATTACKS number is rising quickly. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Moving User Maint's minidisks.
Do the renames (MAINT--MAINTOLD and MAINTX--MAINT) in the source directory and update the object directory. That will put both into effect at the same time. With no problems with new users log on. If they logon before the DIRECTXA command they get the old disks and if the logon after the command is issued they get the new disks. The only problem is that there are service machines that are not normally ever logged off. (Like TCPIP, VTAM, OPERATOR, SFS servers, etc.) If any of those use one of the disks you moved then they would need to be restarted. Restarting some of these could cause an outage. Shimon Lebowitz wrote: I would not do step 6 - updating all your users to MAINTX would be a nightmare. What you need is a 30 second window for problems, while you rename MAINT to MAINTOLD and MAINTX to MAINT. Then all new links will get the new versions. I don't remember the setting that prevents any new users from logging on (SET MAXUSERS 0?) but try it before the change so that no one will get messed up, and remember to fix it immediately afterwards. Shimon -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Moving User Maint's minidisks.
If you are moving MAINT 190 you must use DDR to copy all of it. If you move MAINT 19E and you use DDR then you don't have to save CMS after it is moved. With any other disk you can save the FORMAT step and the ACCESS. Your plan would work if you are careful. If you just comment out the original MDISK, DIRMAP will show that as free space. No problem, unless you or someone else decides to use that free space. :( Anyone that is still linked to the old space will get errors. Howard Rifkind wrote: For example, I created a new 193 ... new address 1193 accessed it as E and did a format of the new 1193 mini accessed as F. I then did a copy from 193 to 1193. No issue here. Now is it save to swap the 1193 to 193 although several user have access to the 193. In the directory I'm going to comment out the original 193 and give the 1193 mini the 193 address. (your comments please) Several people have mentioned DDR for the copy. What is the advantage there ... if any. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
Bottomless pits, dwarves, and huge fierce green snakes that bar the way, rod with rusty star, pay troll, yellow canary - 1969. Wumpas was a rewrite in Basic of adventure which was in PL/I. Adam Thornton wrote: On Jun 3, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Stephen Frazier wrote: No, I meant 1970. It was one of the first games that ran on the computer centers TSO system. (It seems like it had another name before it was called TSO but I don't remember it.) Startrek and Football were the others. They all appeared about 1969. I don't remember which was first. Adventure was written in PL/I and Startrek was in Fortran. Football was in another language. (Cobol? or Basic? maybe) I wrote the OU version of adventure in my spare time while working on the help desk. The university version wasn't that much different it just had the names changed and a few new passages added. You are in an administration building filled with twisty little passages all alike. I left the help desk in 1973 to work for DHS as a programmer. I will be eternally grateful if anyone can come up with documentation showing Adventure to have bee0n played before 1975. A dated printout of a session transcript would197 be ideal, or even a dated listing showing the file resident on some system. I'm guessing that what's going on here is conflation of Adventure and something sorta-kinda-similar, like Hunt the Wumpus (Gregory Yob, Dartmouth BASIC, 1972 or earlier)--it had definitely migrated to mainframes by 1972 according to Wikipedia and was first published in 1973, so I would not be surprised if *it* were around in 1970. Bottomless pits, bats, and dodecahedrons? Wumpus. Bottomless pits, dwarves, and huge fierce green snakes that bar the way? Adventure. Adam -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
Your ship has blown up! The vile Klingon hordes will conquer the universe. was the message that STARTREK put out when you lost. Phil Smith III wrote: Stephen Frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I meant 1970. It was one of the first games that ran on the computer centers TSO system. (It seems like it had another name before it was called TSO but I don't remember it.) Startrek and Football were the others. They all appeared about 1969. I don't remember which was first. Adventure was written in PL/I and Startrek was in Fortran. Football was in another language. (Cobol? or Basic? I think FOOTBALL was in BASIC. The early ADVENT that I played on VM/370 back at UofW was in FORTRAN, not PL/I. What I remember from STARTREK but haven't been able to verify is Your ship has blown up! The vile Klingon hordes will conquer the universe. Anyone? ObAnecdote: I got my start programming when I discovered that SUMER (aka Hammurabi) was written in BASIC (not that I knew what BASIC was). It only played for two years (cycles) and I wanted to play longer, so I hacked it. No manual, no idea wtf I was doing, just played with it. The start of a long descent... ...phsiii -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
I have a copy of the source code for an early version of Adventure. I do not seem to have the University of Oklahoma mods that I wrote around 1970 anymore. It was still runnable about 2 years ago when I last tried it. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
No, I meant 1970. It was one of the first games that ran on the computer centers TSO system. (It seems like it had another name before it was called TSO but I don't remember it.) Startrek and Football were the others. They all appeared about 1969. I don't remember which was first. Adventure was written in PL/I and Startrek was in Fortran. Football was in another language. (Cobol? or Basic? maybe) I wrote the OU version of adventure in my spare time while working on the help desk. The university version wasn't that much different it just had the names changed and a few new passages added. You are in an administration building filled with twisty little passages all alike. I left the help desk in 1973 to work for DHS as a programmer. Adam Thornton wrote: On Jun 3, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Stephen Frazier wrote: I have a copy of the source code for an early version of Adventure. I do not seem to have the University of Oklahoma mods that I wrote around 1970 anymore. That seems unlikely; pretty much all the sources agree that Adventure itself was written about 1975, and the Woods collaboration that really enabled its breakout success was 1976. So I think you probably meant 1980. Adam -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: XEDIT and non-printables
Checking my 3270 Reference Summary after blowing the dust off I see - x'11' is 'Set Buffer Address' - the next two bytes are the address on the screen where following characters are displayed. Kris Buelens wrote: Xedit will never send X'11' to a 3270 when present in data, everything below X'40' is replaced by the non-disp character. 3270 control characters do exist below x'40': Start field, Set Buffer address, .. But I don't know these by heart. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Overcommit ratio
Correct I do not have WAS, DB2, or Domino. My point exactly. What kind of users you have makes all the difference in overcommit ratio. If I added 4 WAS machines I would need a lot more storage than 4 more MYSQL or Oracle machines. Barton Robinson wrote: Stephen, you are doing great. Your workload must be Oracle, and not WAS, DB2 or Domino. If it is WAS, it must be old prior to performance enhancements. so don't upgrade it. And the metric IS useful, you know if you add 4 more servers how much more mainframe storage you need. And your number gives a reference point to others to show what they could be doing if everything worked correctly. Stephen Frazier wrote: My overcommit ratio is about 5:1 not counting CMS users. If you count them it is more like 15:1. It seems to work fine. I don't think overcommit ratio is very useful for anything. It is two dependent on the kind of users you have to be meaningful. Marcy Cortes wrote: I keep hearing things like shouldn't be overcommitted in prod more than 2:1 or 3 or 4:1 in test. How is that calculated? Can I just take the (Pageable storage number + Pages on DASD ) / pageable storage number? Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Overcommit ratio
My overcommit ratio is about 5:1 not counting CMS users. If you count them it is more like 15:1. It seems to work fine. I don't think overcommit ratio is very useful for anything. It is two dependent on the kind of users you have to be meaningful. Marcy Cortes wrote: I keep hearing things like shouldn't be overcommitted in prod more than 2:1 or 3 or 4:1 in test. How is that calculated? Can I just take the (Pageable storage number + Pages on DASD ) / pageable storage number? Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Hipersockets - xposted to VM-L IBM-Main
My recollection is that the port name must be the same everywhere or absent everywhere. Try removing your port names and see if that works. Mark Pace wrote: The only difference I see is that I have a port name in z/VM that i do not have in z/OS. But the z/OS that works does not have a port name specified either. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Problem with stacked ddr tape and possible DYNAM
I bet because the code was written before multiuser attach support existed. Les Geer (607-429-3580) wrote: Curious as to why a tape give is issued here rather than exploiting the multiuser attach support in RMS Best Regards, Les Geer IBM z/VM and Linux Development -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: SCP/SFTP functionality
That will never get past an auditor who has read about but doesn't understand REXEC. :) David Boyes wrote: Move his files to SFS, export the SFS directory via NFS to a Linux guest, and configure REXEC on the Linux guest via a private guest LAN that is not connected to external network to allow him to remotely execute SCP on Linux from CMS. Done. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Are used P/390s available?
The attached message was posted to the flexes list yesterday. You ought to contact Tony Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Tom Duerbusch wrote: I have a client that is using a P/390, off the top of my head, it was using the 330 box. Anyway, it is still going strong long with VM/ESA 2.4. Now, they are looking at acquiring another box, for disaster recovery purposes. I seem to recall, that many shops ended up just throwing them away as there wasn't a market for them. (software pricing killed the used market) For disaster recovery purposes, the box may still be viable. So, are there vendors with used P/390 boxes or are we more on the ebay side and/or knowing someone that is getting rid of one? Thanks Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Law of Cat Acceleration A cat will accelerate at a constant rate, until he gets good and ready to stop. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us Original Message Subject:Any one interests in IBM P390 servers? Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:11:36 -0400 From: Tony Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLEX-ES S/390 Emulator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have two fully functioning IBM P390 servers for sale. ___ Part # and description of IBM P390 QUANTITY EOUIPMENT DESCRIPTION 1 8640ES2 IBM PC Server 330 1 70G8489 PCI ServRAID Adapter 6 94G6494 4.51G SCSI-2 F/W HS HD III Slim 1 70G9859 SCSI-2 Internal Cable 7-drop 1 32G3925 SCSI Internal Converter 1 74G8632 4/10 GB Int SCSI DAT Tape Drive 1 25H4374 PCI Ethernet 32 bit busmaster 100/10 1 92G7342 32 mb EDO SO DIMM 1 70G9739 PC Server Power Supply Upgr 220 Watts 1 76H2670 PC Server HS BackPlane III 1 9662128 IBM PC Server S/390 Microprocessor with 128MB P390 memory 1 9662005 S/370 Channel Emulator A 1 25H8002 OS/2 WARP Server V4.0 1 79G0258 Communications Manager/2 V1.1 3.5” Pulp and Paper Products Council Montréal • Bruxelles • www.pppc.org E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question about z/VM...
McKown, John wrote: Huh? What else, other than Hercules, allows Linux for System z to run on a non-z machine??? Flex-ES. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Now that you mention it, I remember that a recent release of VM added that ON option to the autolog command. I submitted a request for that enhancement back in the late 70's. :) Phil Smith III wrote: Stephen Frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. Actually, while this I think this was still true on his release (4.4), newer releases support the ON rdev/ldev option on XAUTOLOG, so you *can* fire up an ID on a terminal. But my real purpose for writing this is to note that Phillip's question really isn't a newbie question -- a newbie wouldn't worry about an unknown ID, as (s)he would be too afraid to touch anything. He gets full marks for being a Real Sysprog and saying It's on my system, I need to know what it does, damnit! And as usual, this list gets full points for engaging several millennia of VM experience to throw out breadcrumbs until the answer was found, without a single snarky remark. Would that other lists (mumble*ibm-main*mumble) were so mature and professional...! ...phsiii -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
No. After your IPL someone at the terminal 362 typed in a logon command for SERVICE. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would it be restarted after an IPL just because it was running when i shutdown? yes, it is an actual machine called SERVICE. Ready; T=0.02/0.02 12:09:05 q na SERVICE - 0362, SP4 - DSC , etc. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote’s for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: VTAM R.I.P.
It is the same with any VTAM. MVS, VSE, or VM VTAM jumps through the same hoops when establishing a SNA connection. Dave Jones wrote: I haven't heard that one before, Neale (maybe because I never worked in a VM-VTAM environment, lucky me), but it is laugh out loud funny. Neale Ferguson wrote: John Akers answers the phone: Hello Caller: John Akers? JA: Yes. Caller: John Akers of IBM? JA: Yes. Caller: John Akers of IBM, White Plains? JA: Yes! Caller: John Akers of IBM, White Plains, NY, USA? JA: Yes, WTF do you want!!! Caller: Just wanted to let you know how it feels to set up an SNA session. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: z/VM - Lightweight specific purpose file system
Sounds very interesting. I hope you present your method at a conference sometime. Even if it isn't a commercial success the idea is intriguing. Gary M. Dennis wrote: Emulation would be a non-starter for a production environment. I would describe this system as a single pass code segment translation system with conditional block invalidation. We have been using VM for 20 of our 27 years in business. A development environment without it has never been considered an option. Many companies (ours included) consider running a few dozen virtual Windows® images on a rack-mounted machine good business. We see no reason why z/System should not support from 250 images on the low end to several thousand on mid and high end systems. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: z/VM - Lightweight specific purpose file system
I would assume he needs VM because he needs several different versions of z/OS to support his products. If your developing a z/OS product you need to have all the supported versions of z/OS to test it on. David Boyes wrote: We have been using VM for 20 of our 27 years in business. A development environment without it has never been considered an option. Now that's the sort of quote that should appear in IBM marketing materials. -- db -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment
It might help if you included the error message. :) Gentry, Stephen wrote: Rob do you know what might be causing the errors below? -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: z/VM - Lightweight specific purpose file system
Are you attempting to write a windows emulator that runs under VM? Looking at your companies web site it looks like you mostly sell products that run under z/OS. If you can do this there will be a lot of interest. Gary M. Dennis wrote: Months ago. The development team was so focused on instruction result fidelity, machine state, and segment translation bypass issues that I/O subsystem did not receive the necessary attention. At least the tough part is done. Gary Dennis Mantissa -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Adding Spool Volumes
OK, the fact that one time there were no files on or partly on the disk in slot 16 when you IPLed with out it does not mean that there will not be the next time. As you have the disks at 16 and 17 marked for dump storage nothing else should be on them. If you are willing to lose all the dumps on the spool you can probably get away with changing their slots. If the regular spool space gets full and there is free space on the dump reserved space then VM will use that space. Also if you run out of dump reserved space and VM needs to allocate more space for a dump it will use any spool space. It sounds like you try to keep lots of extra spool space on your system. That is good if you can afford it. If you can keep your dumps and ordinary spool files separate that is helpful. Schuh, Richard wrote: The existing spool, not including dump space, volumes would remain in place on their current volumes. I do not think that, if there were no existing dumps, that relocating those two disks to different slots would be a problem. The system did not even whimper when it came up minus the first of the dump disks a short while ago. It happily allocated both dump files on the remaining disk. The operators did not notice any messages, much less have to respond to any, when the system was IPLed minus the disk. I noticed that it was missing the next day when I entered a Q ALLOC SPOOL command. It has since been IPLed with the disk present, and there was nothing out of the ordinary during the system start up. Regards, Richard Schuh -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment
Have you considered how you will get data from the local VTS to the remote VTS? Smith, Ann (ISD, IT) wrote: Thanks. I was hoping to VMTAPE mount the maintenance tapes to the other VM systems as FOREIGN tapes. And yes, there will be a VTS at the remote DR site. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Disaster Recovery question
Unless the hotsite is willing to reconfigure their machine to match your addresses you must run second level. I have never known of a hotsite that will do that. Define a guest on their VM with all the right addresses. Bring your system up second level on that guest. Karl Kingston wrote: We are in the process of planning our first disaster recovery of our z/VM system. We have access to an LPAR at our DR hotsite. 1) how do I account for differences in OSA addresses, Hipersocket addresses, and DASD addresses?The only DASD ww have that are VM only us the 530RES, 530SPL and 3 page volumes.All other devices are for z/Linux and are dedicated by directory entries. My take was to bring up z/VM 2nd level on the hotsite's floor system and run with that. But they are not recommending it. What can I do to avoid making config changes because of DR? Thanks! -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Using UDP port 514 in z/VM TCPIP...
That is part of the UDP design. If an error occurs the data is silently discarded. RPN01 wrote: I was going to ask what I was doing wrong... But I figured that out just a moment ago. My question now is what is the logic behind requiring a user to be in TCPIP’s Obey list to allow it to use certain TCP/IP ports and protocols. It isn’t everything, because things like FTP work, and I think you can play fairly fast and loose with higher numbered ports. But trying to connect to port 514 on another virtual machine wasn’t allowed until I put the user in the Obey list in the PROFILE TCPIP file. Also: If I violate this using Pipe and the UDP stage, why don’t I get a non-zero return code? The UDP stage quietly accepts records, and the pipe returns a zero return code, but no data is actually sent. There’s no errors in the TCPIP console log either; the data is just ignored and not sent anywhere. Shouldn’t there be an indication somewhere that the data wasn’t sent? Or (and I confess I haven’t tried to decode anything in the output string yet) is there something in the output of the UDP stage that would indicate that the message failed to send? -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Service level after RSU
You didn't move the new CPMODULE to the PARM disk you loaded from. The CPMODULE was generated on September 18, 2007. As you claim to have recently installed RSU0703 you either didn't generate a new CPMODULE or you didn't move it to your PARM disk or you IPLed from an old PARM disk. Shimon Lebowitz wrote: Hi, On my 5.3 system, I downloaded RSU0703, ran SERVICE ALL RPTF0167, then PUT2PROD, and then SHUTDOWN. On re-ipl of the system I do not see the correct levels. q cplevel Z/VM VERSION 5 RELEASE 3.0, SERVICE LEVEL 0702 (64-BIT) GENERATED AT 09/18/07 17:06:03 UTC IPL AT 03/02/08 13:44:20 UTC q cmslevel CMS LEVEL 23, SERVICE LEVEL 702 But when I ask VMSES: SERVICE ALL STATUS RSU VMFSRV2760I SERVICE PROCESSING STARTED VMFSRV1225I VMSESSFS (5VMSES30%VMSESSFS) STATUS: VMFSRV1225ISERVICE LEVEL 000- VMFSRV1225IPRODUCTION LEVEL 000- VMFSRV1225I CPSFS (5VMCPR30%CPSFS) STATUS: VMFSRV1225ISERVICE LEVEL RSU-0703 VMFSRV1225IPRODUCTION LEVEL RSU-0703 . VMFSRV1225I CMSSFS (5VMCMS30%CMSSFS) STATUS: VMFSRV1225ISERVICE LEVEL RSU-0703 VMFSRV1225IPRODUCTION LEVEL RSU-0703 . Why am I getting 702 if SES thinks I have 703? Thanks, Shimon -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Added central/expanded storage...
Why do you think that it wasn't added to VM? If q stor and q xstor show it, it is there. I have never known the amount shown by those commands to be wrong. Brian France wrote: Thanx. I'm thinking that z/VM must require that. Our z/OS systems picked up that change without that happening and after doing it on z/VM and seeing the q stor and q xstor show me the new values, I just ass/u/me/d the storage was added. At 01:09 PM 2/25/2008, Feller, Paul wrote: I always do a deactivate/activate of an lpar when I make changes on the HMC. I never tried to do just an activate of an lpar. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Forwarding guest console to a syslog server
Use the secondary console facility of VM to send the messages of any the linux guests you want to a service machine. Run PROP (programmable operator) or any other code you want on the service machine to do whatever you want with the messages. Patrick Spinler wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A question for all you good folks. We'd like to forward our linux guest's console spools to a workgroup wide syslog server. Does anyone know of any code that could send syslog messages from a VM service machine? -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: To define virtual processors or not
My R.O.T. is always define 1 virtual processor. Except when performance data shows that more than one is better. :) Also, you should never (except in certain really weird cases) define more virtual processors than you have real processors. Paul Vincent wrote: Hello List, I'm new to z/VM and have a question. Should I define virtual processors to z/VM service ids/guests (TCPIP, Linux guests...) with the 'MACHINE ESA ## CPU #' control statements in the USER DIRECT file? Is there a performance benefit/cost, if I have more than 1 IFL, to define virtual processors equal to the number of IFLs? Or will a single virtual processor perform just fine. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: How comments treated by DIRMAINT
The way I heard it was that there were 80 questions on the 1900 census. Machines were built to process the census data. As the machines were there they got used for other things. RPN01 wrote: I’m not sure why Mr. Hollerith chose 80 columns, but it has really hung on. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Anybody using a multi-sysres concept for maintenance?
That is one way to do it. The way I do it is to make a copy of the VM system on alternate disks. IPL that VM as guest of the running VM (second level). Apply the maintenance to the second level VM and test it. When it is working I then shut down VM and IPL from alternate disks (first level). If problems happen you can shut VM down and IPL from the old disks. Tobias Doerkes wrote: hi list, is there anybody out there using a multi-sysres-concept for activating maintenance? we are a mvs shop. so i would like to adopt some processes f or maintaining vm. normally we build up a sysres in our maintenance environment. after some testing we deploy this sysres to all systems/sysplexes and bring it up by ipling the image. parameters, ckpt, etc are separated from the sysres. i would like to share my thoughts and code to perform this process automa ted. regards, tobias. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: LOOKAT
You need to add all the web sites that you use to the list of web sites that are allowed pop ups. That will solve many problems with finding information on the internet. Schuh, Richard wrote: Adding the Lookat web site to the list of allowed popups did the trick. I should have thought of it, but I guess I haven't been around PCs and the Internet long enough to have that etched into my brain. Either that or the cells where it was have eroded beyond recovery. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Security Scans
I don't know what a SPI Dynamics AMP security scanner is. However, if it is a program that tries to use various known hacker methods through the internet to see if those holes are closed then it will probably report that there are no holes in you VM web site because it doesn't know about the possible holes in VM. I had a security scanner report that a Linux PC had no venerabilities because it tried known Windows holes. Schuh, Richard wrote: Does anyone know if the SPI Dynamics AMP security scanner work on a VM-based web site? Another one of those rules like we discussed yesterday, the ones created in a vacuum? Since everything on the site is Rexx and CMS Pipelines, I have my doubts. Rexx, possibly (except for the non-compliant CMS file structure); CMS Pipelines, very unlikely. Regards, Richard Schuh -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: 3590 tape drive support in zLinux/zVM?
You need a better email reader. Thunderbird displayed it fine. The only thing was that the vertical line that shows copied text was on the right margin. David Boyes wrote: Quoting Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] For some reason this post came in right justified and reversed right-to-left. Is this a side-effect of writing in Hebrew mode, Shimon? If so, it's really cool. Easily amused today, -- db -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: 3590 tape drive support in zLinux/zVM?
Support for 3590 tape drives was added to VM in version 2. Looking at model E11 there were no upgrades required for VM. I don't know of any manual that lists what hardware is supported by which level of VM. However, it is easy to search the IBM website. I did a search on 3590 Opened the announcement on 3590 model E11 and E1A. Scanned that to see that VM and VSE did not need any upgrade but OS/390 did. I looked in the 3590 Technical Guide and saw that support was added in VM version 2. It took me longer to type in this email than to look up the information. Collinson.Shannon wrote: Is there a manual or webpage somewhere that references all the types of hardware that will work under various versions of zLinux and zVM? Or could someone tell me where I could confirm that a Magstar 3590 model E11 standalone tape drive would work under zVM 5.3 and/or SLES9 SP3? We’re new to the zVM/zLinux world—just finished with our POC and now trying to ready an LPAR for production use—and didn’t realize till just recently that we’d need a tape drive to do a standalone dump of the zVM lpar. We have some no-longer-in-use 3590s available so thought we’d put them on the lpar as a temporary solution, but don’t know how to ensure they’re supported. Thanks! -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Ramsey succeeds Altman at IBM
Ramsey succeeds Altman at IBM Is this the same Altman who is on this list? -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: HCP743E from DIAL command on Integrated 3270 Console
The code you are proposing to modify was likely written before the Integrated 3270 Console existed. The writers of the code did not prevent using the DIAL command. They just never allowed it. Some future release of VM will probably include that capability. Mike Walter wrote: But CP responds to any DIAL command from the Integrated 3270 Console with message: HCPDIA743I DIAL function not available I could easily modify HCPDIA to get around this, but before doing so would like to understand the rationale which led IBM to prevent DIAL from an Integrated 3270 Console. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: HCP743E from DIAL command on Integrated 3270 Console
But Alan, that will just get it put on somebody's to do list and get it fixed. :) Alan Altmark wrote: On Friday, 12/21/2007 at 10:59 EST, Mike Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But CP responds to any DIAL command from the Integrated 3270 Console with message: HCPDIA743I DIAL function not available Have you opened a PMR? I'm with Stephen on this; it sure looks like an oversight. A PMR will let us crawl into it to see if that's really the case. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: 2nd Level IPL
If you change the name of a spool volume you must change the name in SYSTEM CONFIG. Make sure it is in the same slot number. The name doesn't matter the slot number does. If you change the slot number everything on the spool volume will be lost. RPN01 wrote: I'm fairly sure that if you change the name of a spool volume, it will not survive the next IPL. Back up your spool to tape before renaming the volume and re-IPLing. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Q ESM requirement submitted to WAVV
I vote +1. It would be nice to have. David Boyes wrote: Since I’ve gotten no dissent (in fact, no comments at all), I’ve submitted the requirement I posted for comment to WAVV. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: z/VM 5.2 ICC console connection problems
I have had good results with X3270 on Debian Etch. We use it on all of our consoles. James M wrote: It's very troubling not knowing what broke especially considering it's our mainframe console. I'm now wondering if there are certain emulators that are better than others. Does IBM support/recommend certain emulators? Here I am blaming the emulator - maybe I should be considering a linux based icc console. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Ghost users on z/VM 5.2
A Logoff/Force Pending state means that something unexpected happened. For years whenever a new cause was discovered IBM has added a test for that condition and does something about it. That is why they have gotten fewer and fewer. Apparently you found another unexpected condition. So call IBM and send them the info to find and fix it. Maybe it is the last one and no one will ever have a hung user again. :) Hooker, Don wrote: It's been *so* long since I've seen users stuck in Logoff/Force Pending state for any length of time that I thought it had been fixed. We have a z/VSE guest stuck in that state since Sunday. Anybody else seen this on current levels of z/VM? Many years ago when it was a more frequent problem, I wrote an assembler program that massaged some bits in the (then) VMBLOCK to free it up. I did not take some things into account at the time, so sometimes it worked, but then othertimes... expletive deleted Does anybody have any current tricks to free up a user in this state (short of VM IPL). -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: DASD Problems
Peter, That answer from your local Hitachi people is UNACCEPTABLE!!! If they don't know then they can call someone at the Hitachi main support office and get the right answer. If they will not do that then call the Hitachi sale representative and demand that he fix the problem. Threaten to refer it to your legal department. If they will not fix it then you will replace it with a machine that will work and Hitachi will pay for all the costs involved in the replacement. The sails representative know that you legal department will contact the Hitachi legal department and he doesn't want that. The Hitachi corporate office will get it fixed if you get them involved. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Stephen, The local Hitachi mainframe expert recently retired, so the people we have been dealing with are less experienced with these things. A learning process for all of us, I think. Peter -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Frazier Sent: August 29, 2007 15:49 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DASD Problems Ask Hitachi how the drive should be defined. They made the drives. They should know what is needed in the IOCP. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hitachi says it is a problem with our definition of the drives. Seems unlikely to me, but it beats me what the problem is. So, does anyone have any ideas? Peter -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: DASD Problems
Ask Hitachi how the drive should be defined. They made the drives. They should know what is needed in the IOCP. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hitachi says it is a problem with our definition of the drives. Seems unlikely to me, but it beats me what the problem is. So, does anyone have any ideas? Peter -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: hate to harp on SET SHARE but...
What make you think that WVLNX2 is getting more than 50% of your one IFL?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On ESAUSRC screen of ESAMON, it shows this:
-SHARE---
Account ACI GrpNormal -Maximum # of VM
Stor
UserID ClassID Code NameRel Abs Type Share Limit CPUs
Mode Mode
-- --- - -
VMSERVU *Linuxen 1 1500 . Rel 0.0 Soft1
XC V=V
WVLNX2 *Linuxen WVLNX2 100 . Abs 50.0 Hard1
ESA V=V
WVLNX4 *Linuxen WVLNX4 100 . Rel 0.0 Soft1
ESA V=V
WVLNX5 *Linuxen WVLNX5 100 . Rel 0.0 Soft1
ESA V=V
WVLNX6 *Linuxen WVLNX6 100 . Rel 0.0 Soft1
ESA V=V
WVLNX8 *Linuxen WVLNX8 100 . Rel 0.0 Soft1
ESA V=V
-
ESALNXP screen shows this:
Screen: ESALNXP State of West Virginia ESAMON 3.7.0 08/08
08:26-08:41
1 of 3 LINUX VSI Process Statistics Report NODE * LIMIT 500
2086 3E1FE
-Process Ident- -CPU Percents-
nice
Time Node Name IDPPID GRP Tot sys user syst usrt
valu
- - - -
08:39:00 wvlnx2 oracle19524 1 19524 0.4 0.4 0.1 0.0 0.0
0
oracle19520 1 19520 0.4 0.3 0.1 0.0 0.0
0
oracle19518 1 19518 0.2 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0
0
oracle19501 1 19501 20.2 15.9 4.3 0.0 0.0
0
oracle19499 1 19499 20.7 17.1 3.6 0.0 0.0
0
oracle19485 1 19485 27.1 21.6 5.5 0.0 0.0
0
oracle19478 1 19478 1.8 1.4 0.5 0.0 0.0
0
oracle19367 1 19367 6.1 4.5 1.7 0.0 0.0
0
oracle19336 1 19336 1.1 0.8 0.3 0.0 0.0
0
snmpd 5460 1 5459 0.5 0.2 0.3 0.0 0.0
10
cron570 1 570 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.3 0.0
0
tnslsnr 505 1 505 1.0 0.6 0.0 0.3 0.0
0
*Totals* 0 0 0 95.3 74.4 20.2 0.6 0.0
0
My understanding is that the LIMITHARD should prevent it from taking
more than 50% of my one IFL. (We only have 1!) Did I misunderstand?
Anne D. Crabtree
System Programmer
WV Dept of Administration - OT
304-558-1494
Fax 304-558-1441
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Re: OT: old equipment Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA
If you look closely you will see he is sitting on top of the tape drives not standing behind them. Therefor, they must be 3420's I cant think of any other tape drives with enough flat room on the top so you can sit on them. It is warm up there. :) That is a 3270 terminal on a 3274 control unit. Note the size of the slot for the floppy disk. The 3274 and the 3174 looked somewhat alike on the outside. At the edge of the picture is one of the rack mainframes. I cant tell which one. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve--I thought that your posting about the old equipment would cause the list to be swamped with old memories. The picture is kind of misleading. I recognized the tape drives as machines that looked like 3420 drives except at first glance, I thought that the person was standing behind them and they must be something really short such as the 3410 or 3415 or whatever the number. They were also known as creepy crawlers. The terminal is a 3270, but I think that what looks like a control unit that it's sitting on is a 3174 rather than a 3274 which would be a more likely control unit for a 3270. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004355FF85257316_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those of you who might be in the Lafayette, Indiana area this weekend. Vintage Computer Festival. How many of you can identify the equipment in the picture without reading the article? http://jconline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070712/NEWS/707120334/1152/NEWS Steve G. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: What VM oldest level can you bring Z/VM 5.3 2nd level?
z/VM 5.x must run in a 64-bit machine. As I recall the first VM that supported 64-bit virtual machines was 3.1. So z/VM 5.3 running as a guest would need to be on a 3.1 or higher VM. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually: Can you bring it up under VM 2.2 ( I was thinking no, but I don't find anything on the VM web page) -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Philosophy on Tool Installations
The answer is yes. A tool that is only needed by a few would be placed on its own mini-disk and linked to by those who need it. A tool that is used by almost everyone is placed on the Y disk so everyone has access to it all the time. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best practice for installing tools into the z/VM space? 1. Do you create a mini-disk for each tool and have everyone who needs it link to that disk for the time needed to use the tool? 2. Do you create a common mini-disk that is accessed by every user? (in z/OS I would put the tools into their own libraries and then put those libraries into the linklist if everyone needed access or provide information on how to steplib for those infrequent uses). Thanks (and please forgive the mention of z/OS) -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: CPFMTXA: Automation of?
The VTOC that is written by CPFMTXA or ICKDSF CPVOL will stop MVS or VSE from writing anything on the volume with normal commands. The VTOC has a free space record that shows no free space on the volume. MVS can not allocate any new data sets on the volume. The VTOC has no DSN records. So MVS cannot find anything to delete. Utilities that don't go through normal i/o (FDR, DITTO, ICKDSF, ...) will be able to use the volume. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm about 99.9% certain that what CPFMTXA or ICKDSF CPVOL puts out is a normal VOL1 label, along with an MVS recognizable VTOC. Jim Stracka, James (GTI) wrote: We CPFMTXA every VM DASD volume that DASD Management gives us and we return to them. We do not want any form of VTOC on those volumes and we want one complete run of the entire DASD just in case there is an I/O problem with the packs, unlikley today, but in days of old -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box
No, z/VM 5 works on Flex-ES. The problem is that if you have a commercial license then IBM will not sell you a license to run it. If you have a developers (PWD) license then Fundamental will not renew your Flex-ES license. So when the all the current licenses run out everyone is sed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm ... I thought it was/is *impossible* to license z/VM 5.anything on a Flex box! Did something change? -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: OT: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box
It is so obviously a benefit to both companies. A compromise is easy, neither has to give much. Therefore, it is unlikely to be resolved. But,if Fundamental would buy out IBM. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone think that IBM and FLEX will resolve their issues? I know of a company getting ready to get rid of their 800(going to windoze boxes) and I was going to suggest the FLEX solution but with all the problems I can't do it. Thanks Mace -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Link Multiple Write safely
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only people who find setting up SFS complicated are old VM system programmers. I don't know, even the experienced guys start to lose sphincter control when they need to expand a control disk. Just how many backups does it take before you feel safe enough to go ahead with that type of operation. Conceptually, that is no different than on a VSE system enlarging a VSAM catalog or a moving a Linux root to a larger disk. Do it carefully and get it right the first time. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Stand alone versions of ICKDSF and DDR
I like your thinking. I do the same except I also have tapes with just ICKDSF on them. During an emergency you never want to go looking for a copy of ICKDSF. Or try to remember where you put it. So, put it everywhere. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My away kit has two copies of an IPLable tape, first file is ICKDSF, second file is DDR, third file is a DDR backup of a small one pack z/VM system. I also have both of these utilities on the PARM disks of all of my z/VM systems. Belt, suspenders, superglue if I can... /Tom Kern /301-903-2211 On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:33:24 -0400, Hughes, Jim - OIT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are looking into updating our procedures should a failure requiring barefoot executions of ICFDSF and DDR occur. Do you recommend having a single IPL tape with both versions on it? Do you recommend an IPL tape for each product? Do you recommend running them from an area within the ZVM PARM disk(s)? None of the above? Both of the Above? Something not mentioned above? Wrong question asked?? We are running Z/VM 5.2 on a Z890 processor with a DS8100 for our dasd. It always pays to nudge the experts on matters such as this. Jim Hughes 603-271-5586 -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Stand alone versions of ICKDSF and DDR
I have found having ICKDSF on the PARM disk to be very helpful when I suddenly found myself without a PAGE disk. I did an IPL from the VM res pack selected the ICKDSF module from the PARM disk, formated a PAGE disk, did a second IPL from the VM res pack this time selecting the CP module and VM cam up. :) Don't ask what happened to the PAGE pack. :( [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you recommend running them from an area within the ZVM PARM disk(s)? Well, if things are so far gone that you need the SA tools, then the parm disks are probably toast too, so while it's useful to have them there, it doesn't really buy you much, IMHO. You're better off having a 1 pack system that you can restore to a spare volume, then use that to run the non-SA DDR in parallel to restore the rest of the system. It's a lot faster. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: CKDSVRST program from IBM Downloads
I would like IBM to include the source of all the programs on the download page. That way if the author leaves (or is busy) someone else who uses the program can still fix problems. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been able to graft a TAPE=TAPn function into PIPEDDR. It probably isn't the way the original author would have liked it, but it works for now. I have had some luck with contacting other contributors to the Downloads page and would like to continue that. My client's dependency on programs like this really has nothing to do with the legal aspects of any of this. The only considerations are that it doesn't cost them anything and they can blame me when it doesn't work after I am dead and gone. Having someone to blame is a pretty good midigation for risk. But my basic process is to try to get the current tools to work before throwing them away for something completely different. So I ask about CKDSVRST before switching completely to PIPEDDR. /Tom Kern -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: TIMEZONE
Back then we used 1 a character year, 0-9 was 1950-1959, A-J was 1960-1969 and K-T was 1970-1979. If you want to know why look at the punch card code. 0-9 was a single punch. A-J was a + (12 punch) with a 0-9. K-T was a - (11 punch) with a 0-9. We knew that this would break in 1980 but we thought by then we would not be using cards any more. :) However VM came along and now we have virtual cards in our RDR and PUN. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Henry wrote: On 3/9/07, *Mike Walter* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... and IBM has better things to work on than something 35 years from now, ... That's what everybody was saying back in 1965 about the y2k problem. :-) And because they said that, them mainframe thingies caught on! There was a reason they were so tight with those extra bytes for the 19 way back then! It might have had consequence, but I'm not sure it was the wrong choice _at the time_. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Spool/page devices online at ipl
During the IPL VM reads the SYSTEM CONFIG file to find the spool and page volumes. About the only thing that is done before SYSTEM CONFIG is loading the VM nucleus. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This extends a question I had earlier about DDRing spool and page dasd and conflicts with device names at ipl (ie the DDRed spool and page volumes share the same volser as production). Will using the DEVICE ONLINE/DEVICE OFFLINE statement in SYSTEM CONFIG prevent that from occuring? Or are spool/page initialized before SYSTEM CONFIG is read? Thanks, Chris -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Spool/page devices online at ipl
You probably changed the order of the spool volumes. That will force the spool to be empty. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without using the cookbook (where would I find it?), I updated the system config and relabelled the dasd a couple of weeks ago. It came up, said it couldn't find spool and deleted it all. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Looking for used 3490E tapes
I've got some 3480 cartridges. Does anyone want them? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cross posted to VSE and VM discussion lists. I need 3490E cartridges. Does anyone have used ones for sale? /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 43 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: SRU FTP Site now HTTP
This is a nice web site. What software do you use to drive it? I would like to set up something like it on my z/VM 3.1 system. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About a month ago I posted here that updates to CHARLOTTe for HTTPS were available on my VM FTP site. That's when I discovered that there were firewall issues with the VM FTP. So I have made all of the files available via HTTP. It is just a CMS FILELIST with a DOWNLOAD button on each line but it works. Go to: http://zvm.sru.edu/~download The site is running on an 18 MIP FLEX-ES z/VM 3.1 system with Rick Troth's WEBSHARE, also available on this site. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 43 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
WAVV 2007
I haven't seen anything on WAVV 2007 except the dates May 18-22 and location Green Bay. When will they start accepting registrations and hotel reservations? How much will it cost? -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: z/VM 5.2 conversion IP problem
You see the HOME statement. You see the 192.168.099.227 in the HOME statement. That must not be the same as the address of the Linux system. It is the same. I must be different. Two people have told you this. Maybe, if three do you will believe it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is different. But we might be talking about different things: HOME 205.235.227.74 255.255.255.000 QDIO1 192.168.099.227 255.255.255.000 LLINUX27 The IP address of my VM system is 205.235.227.74. The IP address of the Linux system is 192.168.99.227. So, I'm confused. What isn't different about them? Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Changing DOSRES SYSWK1 labels using ICKDSF under z/VM
Yes, but your VSE guest might not like it. :) If you know what you are doing (on the VSE side) and have several VSE guests then there are some benefits from having each guest use different labels fort their disks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you change DOSRES SYSWK1 labels using ICKDSF under z/VM ? -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: DNS question
I bet that there is a vendor (not IBM) that would be glad to sell you a minimal DNS server in a small Linux. It would probably come in DDR format ready to load on a minidisk and run. Is a salesman at Sine Nomine listening? :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 9:25 PM, Jack Woehr wrote: Adam Thornton wrote: Yes, unless you tossed in a minimal DNS server, say in a 16M Linux guest with, say, a tiny little filesystem in a shared segment. It's called 'Bind' Well, no. A minimal DNS server would be, say, tinydns. But then you'd have to deal with djbware. However, as Chuckie has pointed out, my post is moot because IBM is not going to get into the Linux distribution market. So...has anyone invested any time in a CMS port (OpenVM or otherwise) of one of the lightweight DNS servers? Adam -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Fork returning EAGAIN
If you want to ask that question on this list you need to be starting 8500 guests on one VM each running some Linux tasks. We can help you understand that performance problem. If you have one. :) As you are running 8500 tasks under one guest you might get better help on the LINUX-390 list. Your problem is likely to be something internal in the Linux guest and not a VM problem. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may not be the correct place to ask this question, but Google isn't helping a ton and I can't bear the thought of posting into most other Linux fora, so I'm going to run this past you folks first. To cut to the chase, as part of an effort to figur out why we had trouble with a prof-of-concept application that ate every CPU cycle our IFL could give it, I have written a couple of small Ruby scripts as a stress-testing mechanism. The basic idea is: * Create a small test database on our problematic MySQL image. (Database = 100,000 rows, each of which has a numeric key and one field consisting of 30 random alphabetic characters.) this part is fine. * On another guest, fork a bunch of processes, each of which will read a random row from the database, generate another random 30-character string, and update the record. This procedure goes fine as long as I fork a few thousand processes. Once I reach 8500 or so, however, I start receiving this: Resource temporarily unavailable - fork(2) (Errno::EAGAIN) According to everything I can find, EAGAIN on fork(2) indicates that the system can not allocate sufficient memory to create the child process, but if I issue free -m while my stress test script is running I show plenty of available memory. Am I hitting a per-user process limit or some such? Any ideas? TIA, Jon -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: DASD VOLSERs during install
Kind of yes. To start the install you must start with a VOLSER of 520RES. However if you are installing on a VM guest (2nd level) that can be minidisk on a disk with another VOLSER. After you do the first part (or all) of the install to the minidisk you then attach a full pack to the guest and copy all of VM to the full pack changing the needed files such as USER DIRECT and SYSTEM CONFIG. You then IPL the guest from the full pack and complete the install. This will give you a VM system that runs off of a disk with whatever VOLSER you want. Not easy, but if you know what you are doing it isn't hard either. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to verify for a friend that you can change the VOLSERs of the DASD during install of z/VM. I can't find my installation guide, so I'm asking here. He wants to be able to use VOLSERs other than 520RES, 520W01, etc -- Mark Pace -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: OT: S/360 hardware related.
That should be 360-50 not 36-50. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recognize it. That is a 360-25 with a MFCU at one end and a printer at the other. Back in the early 70's the Oklahoma Tax Commission had one that ran an operating system called DOS that later grew up to be z/VSE. My roommate was the systems programmer/operator on it. I was working at OU at the time we had a 36-50 that ran OS/MFT which is now called z/OS. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On page 50 of the Nov. 2006 issue of SC Magazine is a picture that has been labeled a System/360. I've seen a lot of S/360 pictures and have even been in the presence of one, but I don't ever recall a S/360 looking like this. Obviously, there is a printer and a card reader in the picture. Is the unit in the middle the controller for these devices? But on second look, I can see the Emergency Pull and the dials for setting addresses (IPL , etc.). So, what S/360 is this unit used on? Thanks, Steve -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Sharing unassigned tape
You message was unclear. Is z/VM 5.2 running as a guest of z/VM 4.4? If it is is XMSL the userid that z/VM 5.2 is running in? If both questions are yes then on the z/VM 4.4 system you need to have as the response to Q 0A10 be TAPE 0A10 ATTACHED TO XMSL 0A10 R/W The tape needs to be attached to the guest with the virtual address the same as the real address if you want to use the real address in commands on the guest system. In your message you used the real address in the commands that you were entering on the z/VM 5.2 system. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After mounting the tape in 4.4, I see this: TAPE 0A10 ATTACHED TO XMSL 0181 R/W NOASSIGN Then I go to the 5.2 system, and simply attach it: Q A10 TAPE 0A10 FREE ATT A10 * 181 NOASSIGN TAPE 0A10 ATTACHED TO MAINT 0181 Q A10 TAPE 0A10 ATTACHED TO MAINT0181 R/W NOASSIGN -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Open systems and FCP
If you promise to make your product work on VM or on Linux when running as a VM guest then your message is ok on this list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies for the following Blatant Product Advertising: Tivoli Storage Manager includes the concept of Lan Free Backup wherby a TSM agent on a system with content to be backed up has SAN access to the TSM tape drives owned by the TSM server. The TSM agent backs up directly to the tape drives and lets the TSM server know what went where. I know this is there for distributed platforms in general, but I do not know whether Linux on Z can play too. This concludes the Blatant Product Advertising. Thank you for your tolerance. -- Jay Brenneman -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Signal support
If somebody wants to write up a WAVV requirement, I would vote for it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This just in... Yes, VSE did briefly add registration for the LPAR deactivation signal (SIGNAL SHUTDOWN), but the implementation was incomplete and created other problems. In particular, VSE doesn't load the shutdown complete PSW, causing LPAR deactivation to delay 5 minutes. The support has been removed. If you need the support, work with your fave user group or the Support Center to get a requirement opened. If your need is urgent, you *may* be able to get the enablement fix, but it isn't supported. Those who have the fix already know they are on their own. And that's the way it is Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Secondary FTP Server Help
Sign on my wall - If you don't call it in, it isn't broken. Our users get to read it often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If no one opens a PMR, it doesn't get fixed. (Stop me if I start repeating myself.) If no one calls it in, and the problem has been in existence for multiple releases, then the pressure to fix it in the next release is non-existent. It is frowned upon for us to open an APAR without a customer PMR. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Linux mainframe game machine....
Adventure and Startrek will run on z/VM 3.1. I haven't tried Zork. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, there was also a game called Adventure that was played on VM way back when. Regards, Richard Schuh I think there is a copy in the vmgames.aws.bz2 file in the Yahoo H390-VM group. I know my VM/370R6 system on Hercules has it installed and I am sure it came from there. Zork and Startrek are also in there... Not sure if they run on a modern VM/ESA or zVM system though. Dave Wade. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
