Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D
Such mechanism does exist.Google it and see for yourself. Mike - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D and how does this help them for spot inspection? if you need more money in the projects just so badly, i'd have no opposition to this as long as a simple mechanism actually exists. (i suspect you just made this up and don't really know any better than i do if any such mechanism exists. it would not surprise me if no mechanism existed or any mechanism would require a team of accountants and $72k in equipment to implement). i'd still be inclined to give them a pass. not only give them a pass, but give them some sort of positive recognition for their contributions. On 6/12/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what mechanism do you offer the veggie guys to pay their share? how can they even do it if they wanted to? Keep track of how many gallons they put in their car. Send the gov't a check every quarter for the taxes due. Not so hard. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 Wagon
no its not worth that much but it might bring that much Donald Snook wrote: Is a 1985 123 Wagon in good shape with 354,000 miles worth $2800? That sounds like a ton of miles, but these wagons are going for astronomical amounts of money - IMHO. I wondered if I could drive this for a year or so and sell it for $3500. I would put less than 12,000 miles on it in a year. The everything works including the a/c and cruise EXCEPT the driver's window is inop. I suppose that could be the switch. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector Line Leak @ Pump
Plastic clips I see NO plastic clips... That is probably why the line broke Picture or PDF anyone? There's an array of snap clips that hold the lines to each other and/or clamp them against rubber bumpers snapped into slotted sheet metal plates in the vicinity. They're vital. If you put your fingers on an unsecured line while the engine is idling you can really feel them 'singing'. That flexure induces cracking with time. The older engines had metal clamps tying the IP lines together, for the same purpose. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Anybody know if they mean 15 degrees ATDC, or BTDC? Anybody at all? Also, any opinions on the likelihood of my dark coolant being oil-contaminated, versus who-knows-what? There's no oil sheen on the bucket full of yuck. Or other opinions on the wisdom of pulling the head off of this NA 602? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
ATDC. This is NOT the start of injection, it's where the nub on the shaft locks into the locking tool. Oil floats and makes a slimy mess. Just filthy is very old coolant. I wouldn't pull the head unless you get cold pressure, use coolant, or collect black oil in the coolant tank. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D
R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, what is the going rate of road tax for hybrid electric vehicles? Do we calculate KWH and apply an electric tax? How about a pedal car? Do we tax the fries and burger consumed for lunch as a motive fuel? Funny you bring that up, in fact the taxing authorities are in a quiet panic because if real gains in fuel economy come to pass, they are in for a severe hit in the pocket book. Even discounting the false economy of the hybrid vehicle, conventional gasoline and diesel passenger vehicles today can achieve 40+ MPG, and if this is the next wave of what people buy the resulting drop in fuel consumption is going to put the pinch on budgets. [...] I really have to think that it is never going to become a widespread source of power. It is more of a Mother Earth News hippie back to the land sort of idea. Not very practical for most of us in urban settings with no barn to store the mess. You are correct, and as more light is shined into the dark corners of the bio fuel world, we find that it is not as environmently friendly as it might first appear, either. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1909827.ece -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Early june CL from Seattle
I though Gump was rare, but I am seeing all sorts of dunkel Grun w115 on the road now. There was a nice 240D with great interior that sold for $3500 a few weeks ago. Would have liked to have that, but it was auto. Also found some nice SE models in the color. clay On Jun 12, 2007, at 1:35 AM, Kevin Kraly wrote: but after the 170D I am just stuck. Got lust in my heart and can not look at another car. Buy that 170D and give Gump to me. You just don't see 170D's every day, a pretty rare car! Gump is rare too and would look quite nice in the driveway alongside the '83 300SD which is quite commonplace around here, especially ones that are up for sale. It's a shame that I don't have a place large enough to buy them all up. Kevin in Portland, OR for now 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW bikes (was: 85 BMW 524 TD)
You sold it? For WHAT!!!! That is just wrong! I would have gladly given you $501 and rebuilt her clay On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:19 AM, Zeitgeist wrote: I just sold my '78 R80/7 for $500...of course, it was completely disassembled, but that didn't deter the intrepid buyer in the least. Hardly, he even left here with my '67 Puch and '66 Benelli. Total bike freak. On 6/11/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just checked the BMWMOA website, and there are a few R models in the $2000 price range. Quite a few in the $3000 range. Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Maine Update
I knowbut the memories make it seem like yesterday.(sigh) Bob R. - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Maine Update 88 was many moons ago... Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Maine Update Go to the Seaman's Club and have a Narragansett for me and tell Maude hello if she is still the bar maidwe had an interesting time in October of '88(she was smokin' hot in '88) Bob R. - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] Maine Update I have worked my way down the coast visiting lighthouses and such. Am now in Portland. Will be headed back up toward Bangor etc tomorrow for the early flight back home Wednesday. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
In December I bought a 190D off of Kaleb I've put about 7k miles on it since then, and have decided to sell it. The main reason is that there was some hidden rust that put the car in the not worth making nice category in my book. There is nothing keeping it from being a reliable daily driver, but to me it just isn't worth doing. I also want a turbo :) http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/190D_ForSale/ The Ugly: -- Rust. 3/4 jack points + chunks missing out of the frame part of the unibody -- Transmission shifts like complete crap. Could be a vacuum issue, could be a modulator issue, I just haven't taken the time to look into it. Transmission also sometimes (done it about 5 or 6 times so far) flares for about 3-4 seconds between 2-3. -- Vacuum leak in the HVAC system. Worked great when the car was bought, developed a leak sometime along the way (tranny shifted the same regardless). Went to full heat so hacked in a manual shutoff valve where the aux pump is. Aux pump is still there so as soon as vac leak is fixed can plumb everything back as it should be. -- Suspension is really squirrelly. Gets really jumpy above 75. Rear end makes popping noises around town/bumps. The rear links need replacing basically. The bad: -- Motor mounts are worthless -- None of the windows on the passenger side work. IIRC, the lights dim when the switches are pressed which means its something with the regulator/motor. -- Sunroof doesn't work. Don't remember if the lights dim or not... could be a fuse or disconnected switch. Or not... -- I'm taking the stereo ;) -- No cruise actuator. Status of the rest of cruise control system is unknown. -- There is what appears to be an entire chocolate milkshake that was spilled on the floor underneath both front seats. I think the only way to get it up would be to tear out some of the floor insulation. It isn't noticeable with the floor mats down, and it doesn't smell... -- A brake light is burnt out (maybe a reverse light as well, don't remember). -- The speedo is psychotic. At 55mph it is about accurate below 55 indicated speed is higher than actual and above 55 indicated speed is lower than actual. What is broken to cause this is a mystery to me! -- Tires will need replaced in the near future. They are close to the wear markers and have some cracking on the sidewall. -- Before my time the car was rear-ended and whoever did the repair job did a horrible one. You have to *slam* the trunk to get it to close, and there is general funkiness around the right rear taillight. See pics. Trunk doesn't lock. No leaks though! -- Cracked dash (hard to see in pics) and the shifter wood trim doesn't seat properly. The Good: -- A/C is R12. I tore a seal on the new aux fan temp switch, and it has all leaked out (see pic of R/D for all the oil residue). I'll get a replacement seal and recharge if interested. A/C blew 38-40 vent temps while driving. New expansion valve. -- Seats are pretty decent. Only a single tear on the drivers bolster. Rest of them are fine and are pretty clean looking too! -- E-Code headlights. They're the sealed beam replacements. Cheapie eBay replacements, but the light output is good. -- Gets good gas mileage. I got 36mpg with the A/C on going 70. -- Headgasket was replaced recently -- All new glow plugs and injectors. -- Looks good from 30 feet Included parts: --Voltage regulator --Serp. belt --Strut mount --motor mounts Think there is another part or two... can't remember at the moment. Also, I am sure I have missed things that are wrong with it. Maybe a thing or two that is good about it, but mostly things that are wrong with it... The car *is* the same age as I am! I bought it off of Kaleb for $1500. That is what I want for it. I know with the rust it probably isn't worth that, but thats what I want for it anyway... Car is in Starkville, MS 39759. Thanks! John PS. Here are the pics Kaleb took when I bought it: http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/84190D/
Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 Wagon
Donald, If the wagon remains in clean enough condition, you can drive it, service it, and detail it. Then come out west to PDX of SEA and put it on Craigslist. It will sell for between $5600-13,000 clay On Jun 12, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Is a 1985 123 Wagon in good shape with 354,000 miles worth $2800? That sounds like a ton of miles, but these wagons are going for astronomical amounts of money - IMHO. I wondered if I could drive this for a year or so and sell it for $3500. I would put less than 12,000 miles on it in a year. The everything works including the a/c and cruise EXCEPT the driver's window is inop. I suppose that could be the switch. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Happy St. Mercedes day
Jim informed us: Saint Mercedes Maria Good name for a caror would that be sacrilegious? Bob R.
Re: [MBZ] BMW bikes (was: 85 BMW 524 TD)
I'd say that $500.00 is high for a completely disassembled 80's BMW, with exception of the R90S. Also, some of the /7's suffered from receding valve problems. Te valve seats were too soft. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] BMW bikes (was: 85 BMW 524 TD) You sold it? For WHAT!!!! That is just wrong! I would have gladly given you $501 and rebuilt her clay On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:19 AM, Zeitgeist wrote: I just sold my '78 R80/7 for $500...of course, it was completely disassembled, but that didn't deter the intrepid buyer in the least. Hardly, he even left here with my '67 Puch and '66 Benelli. Total bike freak. On 6/11/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just checked the BMWMOA website, and there are a few R models in the $2000 price range. Quite a few in the $3000 range. Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D
Seems IIRC there is a plan to put a GPS tag on cars to monitor how much they are driven and then tax you for that. PDX is doing a test of this system. Even had some idiots apply to be test subjects. Think there was talk of a test' here in Seattle too. Greenies On Jun 12, 2007, at 2:20 PM, R A Bennell wrote: So, what is the going rate of road tax for hybrid electric vehicles? Do we calculate KWH and apply an electric tax? How about a pedal car? Do we tax the fries and burger consumed for lunch as a motive fuel? If we convert used veggie oil, do we get a rebate on the tax charged to the restaurant for the cooking oil? Seems to me that the taxing authorities should just back off and leave the veggie wierdos alone for the moment. Anyone willing to fool around with that mess and put their vehicle engine at some risk in using it should reap some silly benefit. I really have to think that it is never going to become a widespread source of power. It is more of a Mother Earth News hippie back to the land sort of idea. Not very practical for most of us in urban settings with no barn to store the mess. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what mechanism do you offer the veggie guys to pay their share? how can they even do it if they wanted to? Keep track of how many gallons they put in their car. Send the gov't a check every quarter for the taxes due. Not so hard. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
John, I wish it was nice enough to be a road car - I would not mind a 190D to run between here Wisconsin. Should be a nice around town car for someone, even with the rust. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale In December I bought a 190D off of Kaleb I've put about 7k miles on it since then, and have decided to sell it. The main reason is that there was some hidden rust that put the car in the not worth making nice category in my book. There is nothing keeping it from being a reliable daily driver, but to me it just isn't worth doing. I also want a turbo :) http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/190D_ForSale/ The Ugly: -- Rust. 3/4 jack points + chunks missing out of the frame part of the unibody -- Transmission shifts like complete crap. Could be a vacuum issue, could be a modulator issue, I just haven't taken the time to look into it. Transmission also sometimes (done it about 5 or 6 times so far) flares for about 3-4 seconds between 2-3. -- Vacuum leak in the HVAC system. Worked great when the car was bought, developed a leak sometime along the way (tranny shifted the same regardless). Went to full heat so hacked in a manual shutoff valve where the aux pump is. Aux pump is still there so as soon as vac leak is fixed can plumb everything back as it should be. -- Suspension is really squirrelly. Gets really jumpy above 75. Rear end makes popping noises around town/bumps. The rear links need replacing basically. The bad: -- Motor mounts are worthless -- None of the windows on the passenger side work. IIRC, the lights dim when the switches are pressed which means its something with the regulator/motor. -- Sunroof doesn't work. Don't remember if the lights dim or not... could be a fuse or disconnected switch. Or not... -- I'm taking the stereo ;) -- No cruise actuator. Status of the rest of cruise control system is unknown. -- There is what appears to be an entire chocolate milkshake that was spilled on the floor underneath both front seats. I think the only way to get it up would be to tear out some of the floor insulation. It isn't noticeable with the floor mats down, and it doesn't smell... -- A brake light is burnt out (maybe a reverse light as well, don't remember). -- The speedo is psychotic. At 55mph it is about accurate below 55 indicated speed is higher than actual and above 55 indicated speed is lower than actual. What is broken to cause this is a mystery to me! -- Tires will need replaced in the near future. They are close to the wear markers and have some cracking on the sidewall. -- Before my time the car was rear-ended and whoever did the repair job did a horrible one. You have to *slam* the trunk to get it to close, and there is general funkiness around the right rear taillight. See pics. Trunk doesn't lock. No leaks though! -- Cracked dash (hard to see in pics) and the shifter wood trim doesn't seat properly. The Good: -- A/C is R12. I tore a seal on the new aux fan temp switch, and it has all leaked out (see pic of R/D for all the oil residue). I'll get a replacement seal and recharge if interested. A/C blew 38-40 vent temps while driving. New expansion valve. -- Seats are pretty decent. Only a single tear on the drivers bolster. Rest of them are fine and are pretty clean looking too! -- E-Code headlights. They're the sealed beam replacements. Cheapie eBay replacements, but the light output is good. -- Gets good gas mileage. I got 36mpg with the A/C on going 70. -- Headgasket was replaced recently -- All new glow plugs and injectors. -- Looks good from 30 feet Included parts: --Voltage regulator --Serp. belt --Strut mount --motor mounts Think there is another part or two... can't remember at the moment. Also, I am sure I have missed things that are wrong with it. Maybe a thing or two that is good about it, but mostly things that are wrong with it... The car *is* the same age as I am! I bought it off of Kaleb for $1500. That is what I want for it. I know with the rust it probably isn't worth that, but thats what I want for it anyway... Car is in Starkville, MS 39759. Thanks! John PS. Here are the pics Kaleb took when I bought it: http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/84190D/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Maine Update
Bob, I agree completely and share that (sigh)... Oh, what was and might have been forever! Take care and the memories will last forever... Chuck On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:47 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: I knowbut the memories make it seem like yesterday.(sigh)
Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D
Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems IIRC there is a plan to put a GPS tag on cars to monitor how much they are driven and then tax you for that. PDX is doing a test of this system. Even had some idiots apply to be test subjects. Think there was talk of a test' here in Seattle too. Greenies Ya know, if it was just an odometer not a GPS, and they did away with fuel taxes as a trade, I could probably live with that. I think a mandatory government GPS on cars would violate the constitution in several ways. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:24:50 -0500 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't pull the head unless you get cold pressure, use coolant, or collect black oil in the coolant tank. A citric acid flush might help it. Craig
[MBZ] '08 Model diesel fuel restrictions
From the 2008 C-Class Owner's Manual Commercially available diesel may contain 5 % bio-diesel. This proportion will not affect vehicle performance or wear. Using diesel fuel that does not comply with EN 590 requirements (or comparable standards) can lead to increased wear, engine damage and damage to the exhaust system. Do not use the following: • Marine diesel • Bio-diesel • Vegetable oil • Petrol • Petroleum • Kerosene • Heating oil Do not mix fuels such as these with diesel fuel. Do not use any special additives. For exceptions, see Low outside temperatures, flow improvers. The use of such non-approved fuels and/or fuel additives will result in a restriction of your warranty entitlement. Do not start the engine if you accidentally refuelled with the wrong fuel. Otherwise you risk engine damage. Have the fuel system emptied completely. Do not use gasoline to refuel vehicles with a diesel engine. Never mix diesel with gasoline. Even small amounts of gasoline result in damage to the injection system. Damage caused by adding gasoline is not covered by the warranty. Bio-diesel (VME fuels, oil methyl ester) and vegetable oil Your vehicle is not suitable for use with bio-diesel or vegetable oil. The use of bio-diesel or vegetable oil may lead to increased wear or engine damage. If you use bio-diesel/vegetable oil or mix diesel with bio-diesel/vegetable oil, your warranty entitlement will be restricted. Bio-diesel is sometimes referred to as fatty acid methyl ester (FAME). ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] 170D pepup?
But a really hot 37 Chevy! And from the hot rod point of view, the thing is enough to restore vigor to many an elderly fellow Don't get your hopes up. RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] Available 240D
I though Gump was rare, but I am seeing all sorts of dunkel Grun w115 on the road now. There was a nice 240D with great interior that sold for $3500 a few weeks ago. Would have liked to have that, but it was auto I say again, chug on out to 45th Ave. NE NE 97th and eyeball that dark green 240D, perhaps a '76. Looks quite decent but I haven't stopped. RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
it since then, and have decided to sell it. The main reason is that there was some hidden rust that put the car in the not worth making nice category in my book. Dead microwave ovens are easy to come by for cheap. And any Real Man always wants a welder. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D
It seems than at Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:11:51 -0400, Allan wrote: I think a mandatory government GPS on cars would violate the constitution in several ways. The Constitution of the United States seems to not even slow them down *sigh* -- Philip
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
ATDC. This is NOT the start of injection, it's where the nub on the shaft locks into the locking tool. I'm just thrown by the -15 that's in the manual. I disregarded the - part, and set it at 15 ATDC. Oil floats and makes a slimy mess. Just filthy is very old coolant. That would be nice. I've just never seen it so black. And, of course, the head is leaking some oil on one side. I wouldn't pull the head unless you get cold pressure, use coolant, or collect black oil in the coolant tank. No sign of these particular evils. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D
It seems than at Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:41:45 -0400, Allan wrote: I really have to think that it is never going to become a widespread source of power. It is more of a Mother Earth News hippie back to the land sort of idea. Not very practical for most of us in urban settings with no barn to store the mess. You are correct, and as more light is shined into the dark corners of the bio fuel world, we find that it is not as environmently friendly as it might first appear, either. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1909827.ece That report may be accurate, but the heading is twisted. Just because the currently popular oil sources have trouble doesn't mean the whole idea is wrong. I think the _concept_ is right, but the current implementation is flawed. Algae and waste biomass (like the turkey processing plant) is the right choice for the oil source. Certainly not soybeans! Algae can feed on our trash, and waste biomass is, well, waste. To turn trash into fuel deals with two problems. Maybe not enough to _solve_ them both. --Philip, arm-chair expert on anything.
Re: [MBZ] '08 Model diesel fuel restrictions
Pretty silly that they'll put that out on a car to be sold in the US. All diesel vehicles sold in Germany have been required to be compatible with bio diesel for a number of years now. -Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the 2008 C-Class Owner's Manual Commercially available diesel may contain 5 % bio-diesel. This proportion will not affect vehicle performance or wear. Using diesel fuel that does not comply with EN 590 requirements (or comparable standards) can lead to increased wear, engine damage and damage to the exhaust system. Do not use the following: • Marine diesel • Bio-diesel • Vegetable oil • Petrol • Petroleum • Kerosene • Heating oil Do not mix fuels such as these with diesel fuel. Do not use any special additives. For exceptions, see Low outside temperatures, flow improvers. The use of such non-approved fuels and/or fuel additives will result in a restriction of your warranty entitlement. Do not start the engine if you accidentally refuelled with the wrong fuel. Otherwise you risk engine damage. Have the fuel system emptied completely. Do not use gasoline to refuel vehicles with a diesel engine. Never mix diesel with gasoline. Even small amounts of gasoline result in damage to the injection system. Damage caused by adding gasoline is not covered by the warranty. Bio-diesel (VME fuels, oil methyl ester) and vegetable oil Your vehicle is not suitable for use with bio-diesel or vegetable oil. The use of bio-diesel or vegetable oil may lead to increased wear or engine damage. If you use bio-diesel/vegetable oil or mix diesel with bio-diesel/vegetable oil, your warranty entitlement will be restricted. Bio-diesel is sometimes referred to as fatty acid methyl ester (FAME). ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
Real men have a welder and a pickup truck. Real men have to wash their hands before using the bathroom. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:01 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale it since then, and have decided to sell it. The main reason is that there was some hidden rust that put the car in the not worth making nice category in my book. Dead microwave ovens are easy to come by for cheap. And any Real Man always wants a welder. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
Jim Cathey wrote: it since then, and have decided to sell it. The main reason is that there was some hidden rust that put the car in the not worth making nice category in my book. Dead microwave ovens are easy to come by for cheap. And any Real Man always wants a welder. Did you look at the pictures? Its in the reinforced frame part of the unibody... where you would put a floor jack... I don't know if I want to learn to weld in that area!! There is a guy at work who is going to teach a after work class for TIG welding... will definitely be taking that! :-) John
Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 Wagon
Clay wrote: If the wagon remains in clean enough condition, you can drive it, service it, and detail it. Then come out west to PDX of SEA and put it on Craigslist. It will sell for between $5600-13,000 That's amazing. Somebody should figure out how to buy 5-6 of these clean them up, transport out to your neck of the woods and a killing. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K For Sale
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
Did you look at the pictures? Its in the reinforced frame part of the unibody... where you would put a floor jack... I don't know if I want to learn to weld in that area!! You put the jack wherever you can! Control arms, etc., are always good. I had the Frankenheap tipped up pretty high when I was welding metal over the rockers, on the floor pan, and down the firewall. Not saying it would be all that fun! I just got in from pulling a mouse nest out of my Camaro that is in storage. Huge, three buckets full of soundproofing material and dog food, plus mucho vacuuming. Reeking. Ugh. It was mounded up over the pedals and back under the seat. I bet that smell never comes out, it's sad. At least they seem to have avoided going for the SL or the Falcon. I refreshed the mouse poison down there. I noticed that the dog food pile in the nest had a lot of green pellets in it, too! When we lost our cat we definitely started seeing more mice. Filthy little bastards. -- Jim
[MBZ] wheels falling off
So, the recent discussion of ball joint failure has me wondering, is there a way to detect a worn ball joint before it fails? I have some noises in the 300D front end but it seems to be right on the firewall so I'm thinking it's the track rods. How would I check for worn ball joints, or other wear in the front end? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] wheels falling off
i've always seen techs check for play every time the car is up in the air. On 6/13/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the recent discussion of ball joint failure has me wondering, is there a way to detect a worn ball joint before it fails? I have some noises in the 300D front end but it seems to be right on the firewall so I'm thinking it's the track rods. How would I check for worn ball joints, or other wear in the front end? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wheels falling off
Very simply, wiggle, pry etc to see if there is looseness in the joint. However, if you have to ask the question, you may be better advised to take it to a shop and have them check and advise. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:44 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] wheels falling off So, the recent discussion of ball joint failure has me wondering, is there a way to detect a worn ball joint before it fails? I have some noises in the 300D front end but it seems to be right on the firewall so I'm thinking it's the track rods. How would I check for worn ball joints, or other wear in the front end? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wheels falling off
Decided after I posted this that it sounded a bit cryptic. I mean no offense. I have been fooled myself at times. I replace upper ball joints in our 4Runner at one point because I was convinced that it needed it. However, after I had them out - and ruined in the process, I discovered that there really was nothing wrong with them. That is why I suggest that you have someone familiar with suspension check them even if you check them yourself. I am fortunate in that my wife's brother is a licenced mechanic and I can get a good second opinion without much trouble. I just go into the shop for an oil change and ask him to check anything that I have doubts about. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] wheels falling off Very simply, wiggle, pry etc to see if there is looseness in the joint. However, if you have to ask the question, you may be better advised to take it to a shop and have them check and advise. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:44 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] wheels falling off So, the recent discussion of ball joint failure has me wondering, is there a way to detect a worn ball joint before it fails? I have some noises in the 300D front end but it seems to be right on the firewall so I'm thinking it's the track rods. How would I check for worn ball joints, or other wear in the front end? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '08 Model diesel fuel restrictions
yes, seems silly, until you look at it further; BioDiesel standards adopted y the US are somewhat different than those of the EU. US standards (ASTM D6751 - Specification for Biodiesel Fuel Blend Stock) were allegedly based on those proposed by the NBB, who is in bed with the Soy Growers; not surprisingly, there are some facets of the standard that are completely irrelevant to the performance of the fuel, but are seemingly there only to make sure that the standard would only allow BioD made specifically from Virgin Soy oil, and even then the standard is for a B20 blend (only 20% BioD with 80% #2). most EU fuel is made from Rapeseed, widely considered to make far better BioD. current regulation of BioD is a mess, mostly due to politics and greed. it's going to be difficult for any vehicle mfr to safely endorse the use of US BioD until when (if!) the standards have a little more honesty/relevance built into them. cheers! e Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Pretty silly that they'll put that out on a car to be sold in the US. All diesel vehicles sold in Germany have been required to be compatible with bio diesel for a number of years now. -Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the 2008 C-Class Owner's Manual Commercially available diesel may contain 5 % bio-diesel. This proportion will not affect vehicle performance or wear. Using diesel fuel that does not comply with EN 590 requirements (or comparable standards) can lead to increased wear, engine damage and damage to the exhaust system. Do not use the following: • Marine diesel • Bio-diesel • Vegetable oil • Petrol • Petroleum • Kerosene • Heating oil Do not mix fuels such as these with diesel fuel. Do not use any special additives. For exceptions, see Low outside temperatures, flow improvers. The use of such non-approved fuels and/or fuel additives will result in a restriction of your warranty entitlement. Do not start the engine if you accidentally refuelled with the wrong fuel. Otherwise you risk engine damage. Have the fuel system emptied completely. Do not use gasoline to refuel vehicles with a diesel engine. Never mix diesel with gasoline. Even small amounts of gasoline result in damage to the injection system. Damage caused by adding gasoline is not covered by the warranty. Bio-diesel (VME fuels, oil methyl ester) and vegetable oil Your vehicle is not suitable for use with bio-diesel or vegetable oil. The use of bio-diesel or vegetable oil may lead to increased wear or engine damage. If you use bio-diesel/vegetable oil or mix diesel with bio-diesel/vegetable oil, your warranty entitlement will be restricted. Bio-diesel is sometimes referred to as fatty acid methyl ester (FAME). ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW bikes
here in the Bay Area, BMW motos seems to be more highly regarded than many other areas, and as a result of that and our year-round riding weather, are typically well kept (and more expensive than other areas). not surprisingly, because of this combination of factors, we also have 3 BMW moto shops within a half-hour ride of my home, 6 if you stretch it out to a 1-hour ride, and innumerable independents. obviously, the widely available support and their fanatic popularity feed on each other. on the flip side, once you get into the core of The City (San Fran), you'll see many old Airheads that are obviously kept just because of their reputation for running with little cost/care, much as with the W123 diesels (deservedly or not). Oilheads are typically still worth too much to let fall much into questionable tune, and provide more/better power/handling/braking at the cost of more maintenance. that said, i returned yesterday from a week-plus trip around Cali on my GS Adv, and can't think of another machine i would have rather done it on. while not a machine i recommend for a new or re-entering rider, what other machine could comfortably handle hours of ripping fwy at speeds approaching triple digits and equally well handle near-forgotten twisty mountains and backroads in questionable states of repair, all the while carrying all my camp gear and everything i needed for the formal event(s) i attended along the way? no sport bike or cruiser could even come close in overall ability and comfort. cheers! e '85 300D '02 R1150GS Adventure Allan Streib wrote: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A BMW Motorcycle and a Mercedes Benz Diesel make a good combination. (Been there since 1971) Do you find that BMW bikes on the used market tend to be well-cared-for? Interested in getting a bike again, myself. Allan
Re: [MBZ] Motorcycle Opinions
what the moto's going to be used for and where that's going to be makes a huge difference. while riding in SoCal again last week i noticed that when traffic is flowing freely on the fwys, it's typically around 80MPH. i've owned a variety of motos of different sizes and styles while growing up, but if i didn't have ample power to move about in and through traffic while cruising at those speeds and the necessary mass to be stable in the wind turbulence, i would not have been at all comfortable. personally, i endorse the idea that a mid-size enduro/dual-sport bike is the best starter for most new *adult* riders, due to the riding position, handling and weight distribution of the machine. interesting side note; SoCal traffic seems to consist of a much lower percentage of motorcycles when compared to here in the SF Bay Area, and the majority of those i saw were more toys (like Hardly/Cruisers and sporty-bikes) than true regular-use tools; i suppose the relative lack of awareness/consideration shown by the average motorist down there could be a factor,...? cheers! e '85 300D '02 BMW GS Adv Curt Raymond wrote: Around here a bike under 750cc is considered a starter bike to ride for a year until you graduate to a real bike. Thats crazy though. The 454 is plenty of bike to haul my 230# butt around. So then the argument is I have to shift too much which is naturally BS. Anyway what I'm getting at is if your ego doesn't need a bigger bike good deals can be had on smaller ones. I paid $750 for my wife's 454. -Curt
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:59:15 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least they seem to have avoided going for the SL or the Falcon. I refreshed the mouse poison down there. I noticed that the dog food pile in the nest had a lot of green pellets in it, too! When we lost our cat we definitely started seeing more mice. Green pellets being moved around are definitely a problem (I presume dog food means you have a dog). Try these folks: http://www.bugspray.com/ and specifically: http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page53.html They have poisons that attach to a wire in a feeding station that won't be moved around by rodents. Since we have a (very valuable) dog, I'm reluctant to use poisions. We got several multiple-catch traps from them, http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page353.html. We also got a couple of Tin Cats from a seller on eBay, similar to http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page62.html. We bait everything with http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page64.html. The traps are called live traps, but any mouse I catch (especially with the hantavirus around here) is going to die. I make up a large bucket of Shaklee Basic G and hot water solution and submerge a filled trap in it. Kills the mice and sterilizes the trap at the same time. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o
need to get a few things straight; firstly, running Veg Oil and BioD isn't the same thing. (i've yet to see any pump selling Veg Oil for road use,...) as for appeal; for starters, fuel made from what would otherwise be a waste product that already served some purpose and was originally made from a product that was domestically grown seems like a better plan to me than using fuel made from a non-renewable foreign resource that has to be obtained with the help/threat of military intervention,... (the fuel i'm currently using is made from oil that was used for making potato chips.) energy-wise; while BioD does typically provide slightly less power in *most* (not all) vehicles, it's hard to measure, and almost unnoticeable in actual use. pollution; BioD is generally credited as being *less* (not more) polluting than petro-fuels in all categories (with the possible exception of NOx, depending on fuel source, engine tuning, etc.). nothings perfect, but it's still the best non-petro-sourced fuel i'm aware of being available. screwing up your injection system? with a fuel that provides *better* lubricity than any available petro-based fuel? don't see how that's going to happen. leaks; balderdash; he higher solvency of BioD will clean the sludge that's been clogging up the leaks your old MBZ might already have, so it's likely that the leaks you already have he have will become more apparent shortly after the initial use of BioD... but wouldn't you rather find the leaks sooner than later, anyway? i watch the fuel system on our '85 the same way i would watch the fuel system on any 20+ year-old vehicle, and have yet to be able to detect any signs of any need to change anything, but i've only got about 3.5 years and 40K+ miles on B100 so far. BioD's not perfect, but it's probably the best step we can make in the immediate future. i'm looking forward to seeing where we go with the advent of fuels made from sources that provide better yields and energy content; algae is looking very promising at the moment. cheers! e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't really get the bio-fuel mania. There is of course some initial politically correct green appeal to the idea, but my guess is that veg. oil has less energy per volume unit than diesel #2, so you will get worse mileage, use more fuel, pollute more, etc. as well as chance screwing up your injection system. Me neither. The owner of my card-op gas station told me last week that he sells twice as much bio-diesel as the regular stuff and at a premium price, needless to say. And my personal MB Tech at the dealer told me that they have sealed up many a leak on old diesels after switching to bio. RLE
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle Opinions
$2K? did you already budget separately for dressing to ride? while you can do it for cheaper if you're careful, proper riding gear could easily cost you that much, or even more. proper riding gear = stuff you actually want to have on when (not *if*) you fall off, not the bottle-cap helmets and bar-fight costumes so many Hardly riders seem to be fond of... and don't think i'll get 'X' now and the rest of the stuff later; you're *most* likely to have an incident shortly after just starting or getting back onto a moto. note; don't skimp on boots! while the consequences of not having a helmet should be obvious to anyone with a head worth protecting (wanna' relearn the alphabet *if* you live?), feet are statistically the most likely part of the body to be injured. not being able to walk can put a serious crimp in your style. cheers! e LWB250 wrote: Yeah, I'm in the market and trying to get an idea of what to look for. I finish my endorsement class this weekend, and ideally I would like to find something decently priced in the 500cc - 750cc range for a starter bike. I'm aghast at the prices commanded by older bikes, even things as old as the 1980s, that bring thousands of dollars - almost what they cost when they were new. I've got an acquaintance at work that has a 1994 Yamaha Virago 1100 with around 46k on it. He's the second owner (I know the original owner as well) and has taken good care of it. He seems to think it's worth $2k, but in the same breath he tells me he's gotten no takers at that price. I would add that he has a GoldWing in the garage, too, but for some reason he's not terribly motivated to sell the Yamaha. It might be because the GW is i pieces, or so I've heard. I would probably offer him $1700 and go to $1800, max. I'm going to finish up my endorsement class this weekend and then pay him a visit on Wednesday next week to look over the Yamaha in more detail and take it for a test ride. I'm not keen about starting back on two wheels with such a big bike, but I'm not having a lot of luck finding anything smaller and decent in the area for under $2k. Dan Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW bikes
I had the pleasure of riding a friend's '83 R80 ST all over SF for a weekend. That was a fun fun fun bike--a real hybrid. I've wanted one ever since, but unfortunately, they're extremely rare. On 6/13/07, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here in the Bay Area, BMW motos seems to be more highly regarded than many other areas Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar
Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel restrictions
Pretty silly that they'll put that out on a car to be sold in the US. All diesel vehicles sold in Germany have been required to be compatible with bio diesel for a number of years now. This info was extracted found on the MB-Germany factory website and is not referring to US models in particular. It refers to current Bluetec cars, obviously, since it's for '08 models. Please provide an explanation for your claim. RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] Taxes
Right on! Don't forget the $$ billion/week (day?) W is spending on a no-win war in Iraq. On 6/12/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on a similar subject, new used car dealers have started charging a paperwork fee or other such name - ranging from $50 to $200 or more. Those fees are negotiable like everything else related to buying a car. Just refuse to pay it and get up from the table if they balk. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Taxes
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right on! Don't forget the $$ billion/week (day?) W is spending on a no-win war in Iraq. What? -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 19, Issue 64
Maryland has awesome roads in the back county areas. On 6/12/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tony, I noticed the same thing about Pa roads when we went to Hershey a couple of years ago. we like to attend the Porsche swap meet and had considered driving the 911 there until we saw how the roads were. Yuck! Va is somewhat better but it's amazing how the quality of the roads - even federal interstates - change at the state line. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Tony Wirtel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 19, Issue 64 \ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:07:14 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Taxes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Here in Washington State we must pay sales tax on new or used cars (natch) [SNIP] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Taxes
Ah, but isn't that supposed to be good for the economy? Nothing like a good little war to ramp up military spending etc? (Lord help us all!) Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Taxes Right on! Don't forget the $$ billion/week (day?) W is spending on a no-win war in Iraq.
Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D
The friendliest biofuel is used McSoybean oil that would otherwise serve to create some really low value product, or simply trashed On 6/13/07, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:41:45 -0400, Allan wrote: I really have to think that it is never going to become a widespread source of power. It is more of a Mother Earth News hippie back to the land sort of idea. Not very practical for most of us in urban settings with no barn to store the mess. You are correct, and as more light is shined into the dark corners of the bio fuel world, we find that it is not as environmently friendly as it might first appear, either. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1909827.ece That report may be accurate, but the heading is twisted. Just because the currently popular oil sources have trouble doesn't mean the whole idea is wrong. I think the _concept_ is right, but the current implementation is flawed. Algae and waste biomass (like the turkey processing plant) is the right choice for the oil source. Certainly not soybeans! Algae can feed on our trash, and waste biomass is, well, waste. To turn trash into fuel deals with two problems. Maybe not enough to _solve_ them both. --Philip, arm-chair expert on anything. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 Wagon
Mileage means NOTHING in a 300TD as long as the car starts easily, shifts smoothly, and has adequate power. On 6/13/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clay wrote: If the wagon remains in clean enough condition, you can drive it, service it, and detail it. Then come out west to PDX of SEA and put it on Craigslist. It will sell for between $5600-13,000 That's amazing. Somebody should figure out how to buy 5-6 of these clean them up, transport out to your neck of the woods and a killing. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K For Sale ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW bikes
I owned a silver R26 in college (made for export to Switzerland prior to being shipped to the US). I purchased it for $250, spent $6 on repairs to fix the ignition, and sold it 9 mos. later for $290. On 6/13/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the pleasure of riding a friend's '83 R80 ST all over SF for a weekend. That was a fun fun fun bike--a real hybrid. I've wanted one ever since, but unfortunately, they're extremely rare. On 6/13/07, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here in the Bay Area, BMW motos seems to be more highly regarded than many other areas Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Taxes
People were complaining about how their state taxes are spent without considering the tragic waste waste of infinitely more tax dollars (and lives) towards a lost cause. On 6/13/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right on! Don't forget the $$ billion/week (day?) W is spending on a no-win war in Iraq. What? -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle Opinions
My wife is a former Harley-Davidson exec. We have closets full of gear. Not an issue. I think I have at least 5 H-D leather jackets at minimum. Chaps, boots, gloves, etc., you name it, I've probably got at least one of everything you would need, at least. My old H-D helmet's padding was sort of ratty, so I went out and bought a new helmet last week. Dan --- ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $2K? did you already budget separately for dressing to ride? while you can do it for cheaper if you're careful, proper riding gear could easily cost you that much, or even more. proper riding gear = stuff you actually want to have on when (not *if*) you fall off, not the bottle-cap helmets and bar-fight costumes so many Hardly riders seem to be fond of... and don't think i'll get 'X' now and the rest of the stuff later; you're *most* likely to have an incident shortly after just starting or getting back onto a moto. note; don't skimp on boots! while the consequences of not having a helmet should be obvious to anyone with a head worth protecting (wanna' relearn the alphabet *if* you live?), feet are statistically the most likely part of the body to be injured. not being able to walk can put a serious crimp in your style. cheers! e LWB250 wrote: Yeah, I'm in the market and trying to get an idea of what to look for. I finish my endorsement class this weekend, and ideally I would like to find something decently priced in the 500cc - 750cc range for a starter bike. I'm aghast at the prices commanded by older bikes, even things as old as the 1980s, that bring thousands of dollars - almost what they cost when they were new. I've got an acquaintance at work that has a 1994 Yamaha Virago 1100 with around 46k on it. He's the second owner (I know the original owner as well) and has taken good care of it. He seems to think it's worth $2k, but in the same breath he tells me he's gotten no takers at that price. I would add that he has a GoldWing in the garage, too, but for some reason he's not terribly motivated to sell the Yamaha. It might be because the GW is i pieces, or so I've heard. I would probably offer him $1700 and go to $1800, max. I'm going to finish up my endorsement class this weekend and then pay him a visit on Wednesday next week to look over the Yamaha in more detail and take it for a test ride. I'm not keen about starting back on two wheels with such a big bike, but I'm not having a lot of luck finding anything smaller and decent in the area for under $2k. Dan Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [MBZ] Taxes
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People were complaining about how their state taxes are spent without considering the tragic waste waste of infinitely more tax dollars (and lives) towards a lost cause. Ah. Sorry I didn't make the leap from the discussion of dealer doc fees, which incidentally aren't even a tax, to the cost of the Iraq war.
Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The friendliest biofuel is used McSoybean oil that would otherwise serve to create some really low value product, or simply trashed Unfortunately not only is the amount of waste oil from McDonalds a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of fuel we buy daily for our vehicles (a typical restaurant will discard 5 - 10 gallons a day) most of that is already spoken for; used fry oil is generally sold to rendering companies who pick it up and use it to make things like soap. This market has been well established for decades. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle Opinions
LOL! you hit on one of my pet Hardly Ableson peeves, and i just can't resist; what the heck are chaps for (aside from providing a certain 'look' in certain bars)? keeping bugs off of your jeans while you ride (although they don't often get worn with jeans in *those* bars you see them in around here,...)? they sure as heck don't provide protection to any bony bits when you fall, and what they leave hanging out is something most people wouldn't be anxious to have collecting scar tissue... in case it's not obvious, i admire little about HD other than their success in marketing a 'lifestyle' (as opposed to their product, which would never sell if based purely on its own merits). cheers! e LWB250 wrote: My wife is a former Harley-Davidson exec. We have closets full of gear. Not an issue. I think I have at least 5 H-D leather jackets at minimum. Chaps, boots, gloves, etc., you name it, I've probably got at least one of everything you would need, at least. My old H-D helmet's padding was sort of ratty, so I went out and bought a new helmet last week. Dan --- ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $2K? did you already budget separately for dressing to ride? while you can do it for cheaper if you're careful, proper riding gear could easily cost you that much, or even more. proper riding gear = stuff you actually want to have on when (not *if*) you fall off, not the bottle-cap helmets and bar-fight costumes so many Hardly riders seem to be fond of... and don't think i'll get 'X' now and the rest of the stuff later; you're *most* likely to have an incident shortly after just starting or getting back onto a moto. note; don't skimp on boots! while the consequences of not having a helmet should be obvious to anyone with a head worth protecting (wanna' relearn the alphabet *if* you live?), feet are statistically the most likely part of the body to be injured. not being able to walk can put a serious crimp in your style. cheers! e LWB250 wrote: [snippage]
[MBZ] wrecked 300 value vs. insurance offer
A friend of my daughter has an '85 300 Turbo Diesel as described below. I suspect the insurance company is low-balling her, but don't know what questions to ask to figure a more favorable value. Can anyone suggest a procedure to follow from this point? They sent pictures but only of the damage and I can't really tell what vehicle I am looking at. Thanks - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 290k miles I am Dania's friend and she had called me and mentioned your love for the Mercedes Benz Diesel. Dania will send picture of my wrecked car shortly. I was offered $2,168.00 from the insurance company. They first offered me $2042.70 and then my attorney faxed all of the maintenance receipts to them and they came back with the second price. Merz 300 Turbo Diesel 1985 4 door Miles 211,000 My parents bought the car used from the German mechanic that they continued to use used for repairs. They had maintained it extremely well (they had intended to keep this as their last car that they would ever need) and when I got the car they still took it for me to the same mechanic to keep it maintained. I appreciate your time and any thoughts that you might have on the value of the car.
Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D
Market for what? My understanding is that they haul it away for free or even charge the fast food outlets to get rid of it. On 6/13/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The friendliest biofuel is used McSoybean oil that would otherwise serve to create some really low value product, or simply trashed Unfortunately not only is the amount of waste oil from McDonalds a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of fuel we buy daily for our vehicles (a typical restaurant will discard 5 - 10 gallons a day) most of that is already spoken for; used fry oil is generally sold to rendering companies who pick it up and use it to make things like soap. This market has been well established for decades. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrecked 300 value vs. insurance offer
BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A friend of my daughter has an '85 300 Turbo Diesel as described below. I suspect the insurance company is low-balling her, but don't know what questions to ask to figure a more favorable value. Can anyone suggest a procedure to follow from this point? They sent pictures but only of the damage and I can't really tell what vehicle I am looking at. Their offer might be a bit low for a nice one, but certainly in the ballpark of what they sell for. Might try to find some comparable eBay sales history, those always seem to go for astronomical prices. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] wheels falling off
It seems than at Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:43:36 -0400, Allan wrote: So, the recent discussion of ball joint failure has me wondering, is there a way to detect a worn ball joint before it fails? I have some noises in the 300D front end but it seems to be right on the firewall so I'm thinking it's the track rods. How would I check for worn ball joints, or other wear in the front end? The chassis manual for the W123 says to to grab the end of the front bumper and shake the car side-to-side while watching the two sides of the upper ball joint. If it wobbles, it's bad. For the lower joint, jack up the car by the lower arm so the tire is an inch or two above the ground. Put a prybar in the gap between the tire and the ground. Lift up and let off while watching for movement on the two sides of the lower Fuhrungsgelenk - er, I mean ball joint. -- Philip
Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel restrictions
Could be that their server detected your computer coming from a US server and directed it to information regarding models sold outside of germany. I saw the report on Deutsche Welle TV ( Berlin )a few years ago where the German government made it mandatory for all new diesels sold in Germany to be bio diesel compatible. They sell the stuff at most stations there and a good portion of German police vehicles are diesel and run on bio diesel. About the time that regulation went into place is when all the rebuild kits from Bosch for injection pumps on older diesels were changed to be bio diesel compatible. I can't imagine the German government backpedaling on that one. -Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty silly that they'll put that out on a car to be sold in the US. All diesel vehicles sold in Germany have been required to be compatible with bio diesel for a number of years now. This info was extracted found on the MB-Germany factory website and is not referring to US models in particular. It refers to current Bluetec cars, obviously, since it's for '08 models. Please provide an explanation for your claim. RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I am back in Paradise
Back at the Okiebenz ranch. Airline lost my bags. Thats just great. They said something about they had a weight problem on the plane. I think it was because they had a 350lb fat kid flying the plane. Boy that was the scariest landing I have seen in a while. Came in too high and when he did touch down he didnt have much runway left, so had to slam on the brakes and thrust reversers on full. Everyone was slammed into the seat in front, no kidding. Smoke coming up from the tires. Geez. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrecked 300 value vs. insurance offer
Try NADA values. You'll have to go with the collector book. My daughter got t-boned a couple yrs back in an 85 SD with about 240K well maintained but still showing the miles a bit. She got $4500 and we still kept the car. Eric 85 300CD 112K --- BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of my daughter has an '85 300 Turbo Diesel as described below. I suspect the insurance company is low-balling her, but don't know what questions to ask to figure a more favorable value. Can anyone suggest a procedure to follow from this point? They sent pictures but only of the damage and I can't really tell what vehicle I am looking at. Thanks - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 290k miles I am Dania's friend and she had called me and mentioned your love for the Mercedes Benz Diesel. Dania will send picture of my wrecked car shortly. I was offered $2,168.00 from the insurance company. They first offered me $2042.70 and then my attorney faxed all of the maintenance receipts to them and they came back with the second price. Merz 300 Turbo Diesel 1985 4 door Miles 211,000 My parents bought the car used from the German mechanic that they continued to use used for repairs. They had maintained it extremely well (they had intended to keep this as their last car that they would ever need) and when I got the car they still took it for me to the same mechanic to keep it maintained. I appreciate your time and any thoughts that you might have on the value of the car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: [MBZ] I am back in Paradise
Welcome back to civilization! I wish all these pilots had to fly from 1900' grass strips weekly - you learn to ALWAYS touch down on the first 50 feet of the runway. On 6/13/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back at the Okiebenz ranch. Airline lost my bags. Thats just great. They said something about they had a weight problem on the plane. I think it was because they had a 350lb fat kid flying the plane. Boy that was the scariest landing I have seen in a while. Came in too high and when he did touch down he didnt have much runway left, so had to slam on the brakes and thrust reversers on full. Everyone was slammed into the seat in front, no kidding. Smoke coming up from the tires. Geez. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] 2.3-16v on eBay
I seem to miss a lot of tell-tale signs in the these listings, but even so, this one seems to be rather low. Maybe it'll get sniped up --- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=160126389323ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:ITih=006 or: http://tinyurl.com/2vlce2 -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel restrictions
One of the early posts in this thread mention EN 590 as being acceptable. EN 590 is the eurpoean biodiesel standard. Perhaps the US biodiesel standard, is not acceptable for some reason, or more likely there is no standard formulation that is available widely enough to endorse. Certainly I can understand MB not warranting a sophisticated system such as the Blutek diesel using fuel that Joe Hippie brewed up in a discarded water heater in his barn. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Market for what? My understanding is that they haul it away for free or even charge the fast food outlets to get rid of it. Well you know I don't know if they pay or get paid to have it taken away. But the real point is, it *is* already being reprocessed. And there is not enough of it to make even a tiny dent in our diesel fuel consumption. It's fine for an individual or small co/op if they strike up a deal with a local fry joint to take their old oil, but that's about it. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel restrictions
Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Certainly I can understand MB not warranting a sophisticated system such as the Blutek diesel using fuel that Joe Hippie brewed up in a discarded water heater in his barn. Not that Joe Hippie is likely to be driving a 2008 Blutec, though... -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] I am back in Paradise
Must not have brought back the 300TE 4matic... You continue to live Bob R. - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: [MBZ] I am back in Paradise Back at the Okiebenz ranch. Airline lost my bags. Thats just great. They said something about they had a weight problem on the plane. I think it was because they had a 350lb fat kid flying the plane. Boy that was the scariest landing I have seen in a while. Came in too high and when he did touch down he didnt have much runway left, so had to slam on the brakes and thrust reversers on full. Everyone was slammed into the seat in front, no kidding. Smoke coming up from the tires. Geez. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrecked 300 value vs. insurance offer
A friend of my daughter has an '85 300 Turbo Diesel as described below. I suspect the insurance company is low-balling her, but don't know what questions to ask to figure a more favorable value. Can anyone suggest a procedure to follow from this point? They sent pictures but only of the damage and I can't really tell what vehicle I am looking at. Thanks - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 290k miles I am Dania's friend and she had called me and mentioned your love for the Mercedes Benz Diesel. Dania will send picture of my wrecked car shortly. I was offered $2,168.00 from the insurance company. They first offered me $2042.70 and then my attorney faxed all of the maintenance receipts to them and they came back with the second price. Go look on AutoTrader, Ebay and the like to get similar cars. You might ask that they find you a car in like condition that would sell for the amount they are offering. Ebay will allow you to see completed sales; get some color images from those cars and compare them objectively with yours. Its best if the average price is say $3k but based on images of these cars x, y, and z compared to pics of your car yours is nicer you've got more ammo. Factual data is your friend and if you have time to wait them out, better still. If it works, it takes the numbers almost completely out of the equation. To write you a check is the easiest path, to lowball makes it better for them. Tony Wirtel
