[MBZ] FEMA Fun - OT
My house is roughly 1/4 mile from a small river that leads to the bay and ultimately the Gulf. While it is a small tributary, in the event of a major hurricane the storm surge could push a significant amount of water inland. With this in mind, before we agreed to purchase our house we looked at the FEMA flood maps. Lo and behold, our house shows up right on the edge in a flood zone (AE, 100 year flood). Not good, we say, no deal. The owner tells us that they have never been required to purchase flood insurance. Strange. We contact our insurer and ask them to check it out with their underwriters. Insurance company comes back and says You're good, no flood insurance required. Hmm. Note that our property is built on fill that raised the original elevation a good 10 feet or more from the baseline flood elevation of 29 feet, and at the south end of the property there is what is referred to as a sea wall to contain the fill. From the top of this wall, which is at ground level for my property, it's a good four to five feet down to the original elevation. Looking at current USGS topo maps and FEMA flood maps, there is nothing that indicates the presence of the fill or sea wall. So I am thinking about this disparity in the records and wondering how I can get it corrected. I can file a LOMA with FEMA to get the change made, but that requires a survey with an elevation certificate. So the other day it occurs to me that I work right next to our GIS guys, so I go over and talk to them. They point me at our flood zone person down in Real Estate. I talk to her. Within minutes she comes back with a LOMA that was filed when the property was developed back in 1998 that exempts my house along with three others from the flood zone. ? I asked why the maps, while were redone in 2008, don't reflect the development or change in elevation, as any citizen who looked up our property would immediately assume it is in a flood zone? Oh, they never change the maps, I don't know why. They just issue LOMAs if the property is reclassified. head slap How's that for bureaucracy? Dan above the waterline Man Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Boiled heads
Grant, I like the idea, but unfortunately there are too many other leaks and the colored water would quickly enter the bath from those leaks (exhaust manifold-to-head junction leaks, also leaks past four of the exhaust valve stem seals). On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The thought comes, how about putting water with food coloring in the air pressure side? Then you could likely see the leak points as the colored water passed through the crack/s. Just a thought.. Might more clearly indicate the crack if it's not opening till the heat rise soaks the head. [ie heat soak]. Grant... Phoenix... where ambient coolant temps on a cold engine are already 100F. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Boiled heads
I'll follow this plan. Need to purchase enough citric acid to dissolve 500g/liter, not sure how many liters of water my tank holds, so I'll swag it and over-purchase so I'll have some extra left over. On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: I recommend what Gerry suggested: Boil out the water passages with citric acid solution until solution is clear. Then test it. You'll know the head is okay then. Besides that, the heat rejection capability of the head will be like that of a new head. In addition, you might want to take the head as close to 100 deg.C. as you can (for us here, that's 92 deg.C). Craig ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Boiled heads
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: I'll follow this plan. Need to purchase enough citric acid to dissolve 500g/liter, not sure how many liters of water my tank holds, so I'll swag it and over-purchase so I'll have some extra left over. You'll also have the cleanest head on the block! Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Very OT: My phone took a swim
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: My LG Optimus android phone accompanied me into the pool on Saturday and hasn't worked since. I left it in a sealed bag of (uncooked) rice for the I have had several water stories with phones: - My wife left her purse next to an ice pack, or something like that. Enough water condensed into her purse (one of the little ones) that there was nearly an inch sloshing around when I recovered her original Evo 4G. I dried it out and it worked, until she dropped it out of an SUV a few weeks later. The insurance replacement one still works several years later, though they are killing WiMax so that won't be true much longer. - My Sony Xperia TL fell into the bath while I was helping my daughter out. This one did not have a removable battery, but it still works - I use it as a permanent install for Torque in the van. - My HTC Touch Pro stopped working after I used it while sweating in the garden. Permanently destroyed the touchscreen, Sprint would not replace it without the deductible (which was well more than the value of the phone). That was the last time I carried insurance on my phone, and almost the last time I was a Sprint customer. Back when I used to repair phones for not-actually-a-profit, I found that installing the battery upside-down on a Touch Pro would fry the motherboard instantly. No smoke, just no more function. better part of 3 days, to no avail. It still won't come on, although when plugged into the wall charger the red light illuminates for awhile, then goes out. What else should I attempt or should i throw in the towel? If you have shorted something on the mainboard it won't be worth repairing, and if something is wacky (like a gyroscope, or compass, or NFC, or...) you might not know for a while. For a phone I use daily I would hunt a replacement on Craigslist, or suck up the insurance deductible if I had it. Since you seem to have gone the insurance route, if they let you keep the phone you should take it apart and see if you can stick in some other battery. If you can make it boot, I'm sure you can find a use for a spare computer around the house. (Torque is handy in my dash.) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FEMA Fun - OT
I thought you were east of Tampa; toward Lakeland. You must be south of Tampa from what you write. As far as flood lines and elevation are concerned, just keep a rowboat in your backyard and you'll be fine. (Just kidding) Gerry.who once lived near Palm River in a house on piers when the area was rural and headed north when hurricanes came our way. P.S. When we first arrived in Tampa from Indiana and lived in an apartment in Hyde Park, we were concerned about Old Tampa Bay flooding us out when a hurricane hit the area. Instead of that happening a hurricane stalled in the Gulf opposite the Tampa Bay area and sucked all the water out of Old Tampa Bay around Davis Islands and along Bayshore Drive. You could see thousands of crabs squirming around on the bay bottom, and the police later retrieved several bodies set in concrete that became visible. Tampa was a fun town back then! .. On 6/4/2014 7:21 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: My house is roughly 1/4 mile from a small river that leads to the bay and ultimately the Gulf. While it is a small tributary, in the event of a major hurricane the storm surge could push a significant amount of water inland. With this in mind, before we agreed to purchase our house we looked at the FEMA flood maps. Lo and behold, our house shows up right on the edge in a flood zone (AE, 100 year flood). Not good, we say, no deal. The owner tells us that they have never been required to purchase flood insurance. Strange. We contact our insurer and ask them to check it out with their underwriters. Insurance company comes back and says You're good, no flood insurance required. Hmm. Note that our property is built on fill that raised the original elevation a good 10 feet or more from the baseline flood elevation of 29 feet, and at the south end of the property there is what is referred to as a sea wall to contain the fill. From the top of this wall, which is at ground level for my property, it's a good four to five feet down to the original elevation. Looking at current USGS topo maps and FEMA flood maps, there is nothing that indicates the presence of the fill or sea wall. So I am thinking about this disparity in the records and wondering how I can get it corrected. I can file a LOMA with FEMA to get the change made, but that requires a survey with an elevation certificate. So the other day it occurs to me that I work right next to our GIS guys, so I go over and talk to them. They point me at our flood zone person down in Real Estate. I talk to her. Within minutes she comes back with a LOMA that was filed when the property was developed back in 1998 that exempts my house along with three others from the flood zone. ? I asked why the maps, while were redone in 2008, don't reflect the development or change in elevation, as any citizen who looked up our property would immediately assume it is in a flood zone? Oh, they never change the maps, I don't know why. They just issue LOMAs if the property is reclassified. head slap How's that for bureaucracy? Dan above the waterline Man Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FEMA Fun - OT
and who can forget championship wrestling from florida from the tampa sportatorium? dan is senstive about lakeland, btw On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:12 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I thought you were east of Tampa; toward Lakeland. You must be south of Tampa from what you write. As far as flood lines and elevation are concerned, just keep a rowboat in your backyard and you'll be fine. (Just kidding) Gerry.who once lived near Palm River in a house on piers when the area was rural and headed north when hurricanes came our way. P.S. When we first arrived in Tampa from Indiana and lived in an apartment in Hyde Park, we were concerned about Old Tampa Bay flooding us out when a hurricane hit the area. Instead of that happening a hurricane stalled in the Gulf opposite the Tampa Bay area and sucked all the water out of Old Tampa Bay around Davis Islands and along Bayshore Drive. You could see thousands of crabs squirming around on the bay bottom, and the police later retrieved several bodies set in concrete that became visible. Tampa was a fun town back then! .. On 6/4/2014 7:21 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: My house is roughly 1/4 mile from a small river that leads to the bay and ultimately the Gulf. While it is a small tributary, in the event of a major hurricane the storm surge could push a significant amount of water inland. With this in mind, before we agreed to purchase our house we looked at the FEMA flood maps. Lo and behold, our house shows up right on the edge in a flood zone (AE, 100 year flood). Not good, we say, no deal. The owner tells us that they have never been required to purchase flood insurance. Strange. We contact our insurer and ask them to check it out with their underwriters. Insurance company comes back and says You're good, no flood insurance required. Hmm. Note that our property is built on fill that raised the original elevation a good 10 feet or more from the baseline flood elevation of 29 feet, and at the south end of the property there is what is referred to as a sea wall to contain the fill. From the top of this wall, which is at ground level for my property, it's a good four to five feet down to the original elevation. Looking at current USGS topo maps and FEMA flood maps, there is nothing that indicates the presence of the fill or sea wall. So I am thinking about this disparity in the records and wondering how I can get it corrected. I can file a LOMA with FEMA to get the change made, but that requires a survey with an elevation certificate. So the other day it occurs to me that I work right next to our GIS guys, so I go over and talk to them. They point me at our flood zone person down in Real Estate. I talk to her. Within minutes she comes back with a LOMA that was filed when the property was developed back in 1998 that exempts my house along with three others from the flood zone. ? I asked why the maps, while were redone in 2008, don't reflect the development or change in elevation, as any citizen who looked up our property would immediately assume it is in a flood zone? Oh, they never change the maps, I don't know why. They just issue LOMAs if the property is reclassified. head slap How's that for bureaucracy? Dan above the waterline Man Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
I see a common thread here, when I include my experiences with the VA. The doctor I'm assigned to is excellent. His nursing staff superb. All other clerical types seem to think their job is to slow-roll, filter, obstruct. Things that in other clinics takes minutes, they take days at our local VA. Things which should take hours, take days and weeks. On some things, I give up and use my work health insurance, pay the co-pay, and get it done. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 3, 2014 10:57 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give reminds me: Because of horror stories I had heard about getting the run-around and long waiting times, I had never used VA medical care at all until about a year ago, when I received a letter from my neurologist at Duke University Hospital informing me that he'd no longer be able to see me for my CIDP condition at the Duke clinic. Clinic was being converted to see ALS patients only. Because he is the only neurologist of the many I've seen who would listen to me and help me work out a treatment regimen that helped me drastically, I sent him an e-mail pleading with him to not throw me back out there to find another neurologist who would likely think he/she already has all the answers and not want to listen to anything I have to say. He called me the next morning at 8 and talked to me for nearly an hour about ways that we may proceed. He reminded me that, if I could become registered at the Durham VA Medical Center, where he works in addition to Duke, he'd be able to see me there and continue the treatments with no other change at all. I had a little glitch in getting registered (cited below), saw the Duke neurologist at VA few weeks later and have continued my treatments with no break at all; Medicare and Tricare continue to pay as they have for years. He schedules me to see him at the VA Center every six months; no problem with all of it so far, except the registration glitch cited below. A little aside on getting registered at VA: I filled out application on-line and printed it out, but had coupla questions before sending it in. 'Called coordinator at Durham VA Medical Center; during our discussion, coordinator asked about my possible exposure to Agent Orange; 'told her, Don't think so; I was never on the ground in Vietnam; 'flew B-52's from Guam and U-Tapao, Thailand. When I told her U-Tapao, she got excited and insisted that I go right now and talk to Ms ?, registration supervisor. 'Got my stuff together and off we went to Durham. Quickly found Ms. Supervisor, who told me, Don't have time to talk to you right now. Fill out these papers and give 'em to lady at window. When I started filling out the papers, I realized they were the ones I had in my hand already completed! 'Handed them to lady at window, who told me to wait here, we'll call you by name. Twice during the next 2½ hours, we were rebuffed whenever we tried to remind lady at the window that I was still waiting - You'll be called by name, she insisted. At 4 PM, ladies behind window picked up their handbags, locked door and left. Nearly an hour later, I had become very suspicious that I had truly been forgotten, and it began to look as if people were leaving for the day. I asked wife to find Ms Supervisor, I think they're leaving for the day. Supervisor was, indeed, leaving for the day; when she saw SWMBO, she exclaimed, What?!! You're still here?!! Yes, indeed, they had forgotten me!! Lady who should have taken the registration nearly 4 hours earlier was also leaving; supervisor called her back and called me in to give the registration info. During the 15 minutes or so that the registration took, Ms Supervisor kept trying to apologize, Oh, Mister Strickland, I'm so terribly sorry. I never said a word; never responded to the apology; 'just let 'em stew over it overnight, worried about possible call from their supervisors the next day, but I never reported it to anybody. They got away with it, and I sure hope they had a sleepless night, but I doubt it. I regret having not reported it officially. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
My wife did a coupla months rotation at The Manch the VA hospital in Manchester, NH, like 20 yr ago. It was known then as a total disaster, and all the residents dreaded going there both because of the bureaucracy, conditions, tattoo/tooth ratio of the staff, and everything else plus it was in New Hamster (Live Free and Die!). A coupla weeks ago she posted this on her FB page and got a lot of colleagues who agreed totally. I find it bizarre that the media are apoplectic about delays scheduling in the VA system, and trying to turn it into the next Washington scandal. Where have these people been? Ask any medical student or resident who ever rotated through the VA and they will tell you it is an absolutely terrible system, inefficient, poor quality care, mediocre at best. VA system is interviewed with a 9 to 3 work ethic, there's no incentive to do anything better than it was done 40 years ago. In fact innovation, improvement are generally discouraged. The VA facilities are old, dirty, smell bad and the systems are ancient. The only good thing I can say about having spent many many months in various VA hospitals, is the spectrum of pathology is amazing and the vets themselves are even more amazing. The VA system and work ethic are old, inefficient, not patient centric and out of date. If you want to improve medical care for our vets, dissolve the VA system and incorporate them into mainstream medical care. The main driver seems to be the federal union mindset among the support staff, who can't be disciplined, fired, transferred, or basically made to do their jobs like anyone in the private sector would be expected to do. The docs and nurses have other motivations and strive within the system, but there is only so much they can do. Your tax dollars at work (??). BTW Milt, those staffers slept just fine, and came back refreshed to do it again the next day. YMMV. --R On 6/4/14 9:59 AM, Meade Dillon wrote: I see a common thread here, when I include my experiences with the VA. The doctor I'm assigned to is excellent. His nursing staff superb. All other clerical types seem to think their job is to slow-roll, filter, obstruct. Things that in other clinics takes minutes, they take days at our local VA. Things which should take hours, take days and weeks. On some things, I give up and use my work health insurance, pay the co-pay, and get it done. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 3, 2014 10:57 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give reminds me: Because of horror stories I had heard about getting the run-around and long waiting times, I had never used VA medical care at all until about a year ago, when I received a letter from my neurologist at Duke University Hospital informing me that he'd no longer be able to see me for my CIDP condition at the Duke clinic. Clinic was being converted to see ALS patients only. Because he is the only neurologist of the many I've seen who would listen to me and help me work out a treatment regimen that helped me drastically, I sent him an e-mail pleading with him to not throw me back out there to find another neurologist who would likely think he/she already has all the answers and not want to listen to anything I have to say. He called me the next morning at 8 and talked to me for nearly an hour about ways that we may proceed. He reminded me that, if I could become registered at the Durham VA Medical Center, where he works in addition to Duke, he'd be able to see me there and continue the treatments with no other change at all. I had a little glitch in getting registered (cited below), saw the Duke neurologist at VA few weeks later and have continued my treatments with no break at all; Medicare and Tricare continue to pay as they have for years. He schedules me to see him at the VA Center every six months; no problem with all of it so far, except the registration glitch cited below. A little aside on getting registered at VA: I filled out application on-line and printed it out, but had coupla questions before sending it in. 'Called coordinator at Durham VA Medical Center; during our discussion, coordinator asked about my possible exposure to Agent Orange; 'told her, Don't think so; I was never on the ground in Vietnam; 'flew B-52's from Guam and U-Tapao, Thailand. When I told her U-Tapao, she got excited and insisted that I go right now and talk to Ms ?, registration supervisor. 'Got my stuff together and off we went to Durham. Quickly found Ms. Supervisor, who told me, Don't have time to talk to you right now. Fill out these papers and give 'em to lady at window. When I started filling out the papers, I realized they were the ones I had in my hand already completed! 'Handed them to lady at window, who told me to wait here, we'll call you by
Re: [MBZ] Boiled heads
On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:46:38 -0400 Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: I'll follow this plan. Need to purchase enough citric acid to dissolve 500g/liter, not sure how many liters of water my tank holds, so I'll swag it and over-purchase so I'll have some extra left over. The in-car spec is 10%, 100g/liter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Amen. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA My wife did a coupla months rotation at The Manch the VA hospital in Manchester, NH, like 20 yr ago. It was known then as a total disaster, and all the residents dreaded going there both because of the bureaucracy, conditions, tattoo/tooth ratio of the staff, and everything else plus it was in New Hamster (Live Free and Die!). A coupla weeks ago she posted this on her FB page and got a lot of colleagues who agreed totally. I find it bizarre that the media are apoplectic about delays scheduling in the VA system, and trying to turn it into the next Washington scandal. Where have these people been? Ask any medical student or resident who ever rotated through the VA and they will tell you it is an absolutely terrible system, inefficient, poor quality care, mediocre at best. VA system is interviewed with a 9 to 3 work ethic, there's no incentive to do anything better than it was done 40 years ago. In fact innovation, improvement are generally discouraged. The VA facilities are old, dirty, smell bad and the systems are ancient. The only good thing I can say about having spent many many months in various VA hospitals, is the spectrum of pathology is amazing and the vets themselves are even more amazing. The VA system and work ethic are old, inefficient, not patient centric and out of date. If you want to improve medical care for our vets, dissolve the VA system and incorporate them into mainstream medical care. The main driver seems to be the federal union mindset among the support staff, who can't be disciplined, fired, transferred, or basically made to do their jobs like anyone in the private sector would be expected to do. The docs and nurses have other motivations and strive within the system, but there is only so much they can do. Your tax dollars at work (??). BTW Milt, those staffers slept just fine, and came back refreshed to do it again the next day. YMMV. --R On 6/4/14 9:59 AM, Meade Dillon wrote: I see a common thread here, when I include my experiences with the VA. The doctor I'm assigned to is excellent. His nursing staff superb. All other clerical types seem to think their job is to slow-roll, filter, obstruct. Things that in other clinics takes minutes, they take days at our local VA. Things which should take hours, take days and weeks. On some things, I give up and use my work health insurance, pay the co-pay, and get it done. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 3, 2014 10:57 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give reminds me: Because of horror stories I had heard about getting the run-around and long waiting times, I had never used VA medical care at all until about a year ago, when I received a letter from my neurologist at Duke University Hospital informing me that he'd no longer be able to see me for my CIDP condition at the Duke clinic. Clinic was being converted to see ALS patients only. Because he is the only neurologist of the many I've seen who would listen to me and help me work out a treatment regimen that helped me drastically, I sent him an e-mail pleading with him to not throw me back out there to find another neurologist who would likely think he/she already has all the answers and not want to listen to anything I have to say. He called me the next morning at 8 and talked to me for nearly an hour about ways that we may proceed. He reminded me that, if I could become registered at the Durham VA Medical Center, where he works in addition to Duke, he'd be able to see me there and continue the treatments with no other change at all. I had a little glitch in getting registered (cited below), saw the Duke neurologist at VA few weeks later and have continued my treatments with no break at all; Medicare and Tricare continue to pay as they have for years. He schedules me to see him at the VA Center every six months; no problem with all of it so far, except the registration glitch cited below. A little aside on getting registered at VA: I filled out application on-line and printed it out, but had coupla questions before sending it in. 'Called coordinator at Durham VA Medical Center; during our discussion, coordinator asked about my possible exposure to Agent Orange; 'told her, Don't think so; I was never on the ground in Vietnam; 'flew B-52's from Guam and U-Tapao, Thailand. When I told her U-Tapao, she got excited and insisted that I go right now and talk to Ms ?, registration supervisor. 'Got my stuff together and off we went to Durham. Quickly found Ms. Supervisor, who told me, Don't have time to talk to you
Re: [MBZ] Boiled heads
Yes, I was just figuring that out. Actually I think the ratio is slightly less. Procedure 20-015 says to dissolve 500g into 5 liters, add to system, then top up with water, for a total of 10 liters in an OM603 engine's cooling system. So I'm thinking that the math says 50g/liter in car, but that is supposed to be run in the engine for 15 minutes and then drain/flush. My hot tank / burner set-up requires 30 minutes or longer to heat up, so I'll cut the strength in half again, just to be safe. My tank is made from a 55 gallon drum, cut in half length-wise, so I think that 25 gallons (~95 liters) is the maximum capacity. Let's round up to 100 liters, at 25g/liter. 25 x 100 = 2500 grams, 2.5 kg, which is roughly 5.5 lbs (using 2.2 lbs / kg). Just ordered 10 lbs of citric acid, food grade, for $28 delivered from Amazon. Now, how will I dispose of this water? Down the toilet? Can't drain into the street, our storm drains go directly into the Cooper river. Im sure you are all aware that here in Charleston, the Ashley river and the Cooper river flow together at the end of the Charleston peninsula and form the Atlantic ocean. That's right, we're responsible for forming the Atlantic ocean. Can't be poisoning the Atlantic now, Andrew will be upset with me... -Max On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:46:38 -0400 Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: I'll follow this plan. Need to purchase enough citric acid to dissolve 500g/liter, not sure how many liters of water my tank holds, so I'll swag it and over-purchase so I'll have some extra left over. The in-car spec is 10%, 100g/liter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Very OT: My phone took a swim
Thanks for the great responses - impresive array of expertise out there! My phone is always on so when it got wet the damage was probably instantaneous. Plus, I did attempt to fire it up soon thereafter. In hindsight, I probably should have left it outside to bake in the hot DC sun for several hours, then marinated it in rice for a couple days to see if that reversed the outage. They want the old phone (LG Optimus) back ($500 if I didn't have the insurance). The deductible is $150 but the phone will be delivered overnight. Life is great without a cellphone, btw. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: My LG Optimus android phone accompanied me into the pool on Saturday and hasn't worked since. I left it in a sealed bag of (uncooked) rice for the I have had several water stories with phones: - My wife left her purse next to an ice pack, or something like that. Enough water condensed into her purse (one of the little ones) that there was nearly an inch sloshing around when I recovered her original Evo 4G. I dried it out and it worked, until she dropped it out of an SUV a few weeks later. The insurance replacement one still works several years later, though they are killing WiMax so that won't be true much longer. - My Sony Xperia TL fell into the bath while I was helping my daughter out. This one did not have a removable battery, but it still works - I use it as a permanent install for Torque in the van. - My HTC Touch Pro stopped working after I used it while sweating in the garden. Permanently destroyed the touchscreen, Sprint would not replace it without the deductible (which was well more than the value of the phone). That was the last time I carried insurance on my phone, and almost the last time I was a Sprint customer. Back when I used to repair phones for not-actually-a-profit, I found that installing the battery upside-down on a Touch Pro would fry the motherboard instantly. No smoke, just no more function. better part of 3 days, to no avail. It still won't come on, although when plugged into the wall charger the red light illuminates for awhile, then goes out. What else should I attempt or should i throw in the towel? If you have shorted something on the mainboard it won't be worth repairing, and if something is wacky (like a gyroscope, or compass, or NFC, or...) you might not know for a while. For a phone I use daily I would hunt a replacement on Craigslist, or suck up the insurance deductible if I had it. Since you seem to have gone the insurance route, if they let you keep the phone you should take it apart and see if you can stick in some other battery. If you can make it boot, I'm sure you can find a use for a spare computer around the house. (Torque is handy in my dash.) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Boiled heads
Cheapest citric acid is sold as canning additive. http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8keywords=citric+acid+bulktag=googhydr-20index=apshvadid=44722634265hvpos=1t2hvexid=hvnetw=ghvrand=5904205757530498362hvpone=hvptwo=hvqmt=bhvdev=cref=pd_sl_3h28iu62bj_b .or Google canning supplies citric acid Gerry .. On 6/4/2014 10:28 AM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:46:38 -0400 Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: I'll follow this plan. Need to purchase enough citric acid to dissolve 500g/liter, not sure how many liters of water my tank holds, so I'll swag it and over-purchase so I'll have some extra left over. The in-car spec is 10%, 100g/liter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FEMA Fun - OT
well, at least you didn't live in lakeland like penoff! also, for the sake of full disclosure, i may be moving to lakeland myself soon On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:42 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I remember wrestling at Fort Homer Hesterly during the late 1940s because girlfriend loved it. Never paid any attention to wrestling after that. Gerry On 6/4/2014 9:20 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: and who can forget championship wrestling from florida from the tampa sportatorium? dan is senstive about lakeland, btw On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:12 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I thought you were east of Tampa; toward Lakeland. You must be south of Tampa from what you write. As far as flood lines and elevation are concerned, just keep a rowboat in your backyard and you'll be fine. (Just kidding) Gerry.who once lived near Palm River in a house on piers when the area was rural and headed north when hurricanes came our way. P.S. When we first arrived in Tampa from Indiana and lived in an apartment in Hyde Park, we were concerned about Old Tampa Bay flooding us out when a hurricane hit the area. Instead of that happening a hurricane stalled in the Gulf opposite the Tampa Bay area and sucked all the water out of Old Tampa Bay around Davis Islands and along Bayshore Drive. You could see thousands of crabs squirming around on the bay bottom, and the police later retrieved several bodies set in concrete that became visible. Tampa was a fun town back then! .. On 6/4/2014 7:21 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: My house is roughly 1/4 mile from a small river that leads to the bay and ultimately the Gulf. While it is a small tributary, in the event of a major hurricane the storm surge could push a significant amount of water inland. With this in mind, before we agreed to purchase our house we looked at the FEMA flood maps. Lo and behold, our house shows up right on the edge in a flood zone (AE, 100 year flood). Not good, we say, no deal. The owner tells us that they have never been required to purchase flood insurance. Strange. We contact our insurer and ask them to check it out with their underwriters. Insurance company comes back and says You're good, no flood insurance required. Hmm. Note that our property is built on fill that raised the original elevation a good 10 feet or more from the baseline flood elevation of 29 feet, and at the south end of the property there is what is referred to as a sea wall to contain the fill. From the top of this wall, which is at ground level for my property, it's a good four to five feet down to the original elevation. Looking at current USGS topo maps and FEMA flood maps, there is nothing that indicates the presence of the fill or sea wall. So I am thinking about this disparity in the records and wondering how I can get it corrected. I can file a LOMA with FEMA to get the change made, but that requires a survey with an elevation certificate. So the other day it occurs to me that I work right next to our GIS guys, so I go over and talk to them. They point me at our flood zone person down in Real Estate. I talk to her. Within minutes she comes back with a LOMA that was filed when the property was developed back in 1998 that exempts my house along with three others from the flood zone. ? I asked why the maps, while were redone in 2008, don't reflect the development or change in elevation, as any citizen who looked up our property would immediately assume it is in a flood zone? Oh, they never change the maps, I don't know why. They just issue LOMAs if the property is reclassified. head slap How's that for bureaucracy? Dan above the waterline Man Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All
Re: [MBZ] FEMA Fun - OT
I remember wrestling at Fort Homer Hesterly during the late 1940s because girlfriend loved it. Never paid any attention to wrestling after that. Gerry On 6/4/2014 9:20 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: and who can forget championship wrestling from florida from the tampa sportatorium? dan is senstive about lakeland, btw On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:12 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I thought you were east of Tampa; toward Lakeland. You must be south of Tampa from what you write. As far as flood lines and elevation are concerned, just keep a rowboat in your backyard and you'll be fine. (Just kidding) Gerry.who once lived near Palm River in a house on piers when the area was rural and headed north when hurricanes came our way. P.S. When we first arrived in Tampa from Indiana and lived in an apartment in Hyde Park, we were concerned about Old Tampa Bay flooding us out when a hurricane hit the area. Instead of that happening a hurricane stalled in the Gulf opposite the Tampa Bay area and sucked all the water out of Old Tampa Bay around Davis Islands and along Bayshore Drive. You could see thousands of crabs squirming around on the bay bottom, and the police later retrieved several bodies set in concrete that became visible. Tampa was a fun town back then! .. On 6/4/2014 7:21 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: My house is roughly 1/4 mile from a small river that leads to the bay and ultimately the Gulf. While it is a small tributary, in the event of a major hurricane the storm surge could push a significant amount of water inland. With this in mind, before we agreed to purchase our house we looked at the FEMA flood maps. Lo and behold, our house shows up right on the edge in a flood zone (AE, 100 year flood). Not good, we say, no deal. The owner tells us that they have never been required to purchase flood insurance. Strange. We contact our insurer and ask them to check it out with their underwriters. Insurance company comes back and says You're good, no flood insurance required. Hmm. Note that our property is built on fill that raised the original elevation a good 10 feet or more from the baseline flood elevation of 29 feet, and at the south end of the property there is what is referred to as a sea wall to contain the fill. From the top of this wall, which is at ground level for my property, it's a good four to five feet down to the original elevation. Looking at current USGS topo maps and FEMA flood maps, there is nothing that indicates the presence of the fill or sea wall. So I am thinking about this disparity in the records and wondering how I can get it corrected. I can file a LOMA with FEMA to get the change made, but that requires a survey with an elevation certificate. So the other day it occurs to me that I work right next to our GIS guys, so I go over and talk to them. They point me at our flood zone person down in Real Estate. I talk to her. Within minutes she comes back with a LOMA that was filed when the property was developed back in 1998 that exempts my house along with three others from the flood zone. ? I asked why the maps, while were redone in 2008, don't reflect the development or change in elevation, as any citizen who looked up our property would immediately assume it is in a flood zone? Oh, they never change the maps, I don't know why. They just issue LOMAs if the property is reclassified. head slap How's that for bureaucracy? Dan above the waterline Man Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: I see a common thread here, when I include my experiences with the VA. The doctor I'm assigned to is excellent. His nursing staff superb. All other clerical types seem to think their job is to slow-roll, filter, obstruct. Things that in other clinics takes minutes, they take days at our local VA. Things which should take hours, take days and weeks. On some things, I give up and use my work health insurance, pay the co-pay, and get it done. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 3, 2014 10:57 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give reminds me: Because of horror stories I had heard about getting the run-around and long waiting times, I had never used VA medical care at all until about a year ago, when I received a letter from my neurologist at Duke University Hospital informing me that he'd no longer be able to see me for my CIDP condition at the Duke clinic. Clinic was being converted to see ALS patients only. Because he is the only neurologist of the many I've seen who would listen to me and help me work out a treatment regimen that helped me drastically, I sent him an e-mail pleading with him to not throw me back out there to find another neurologist who would likely think he/she already has all the answers and not want to listen to anything I have to say. He called me the next morning at 8 and talked to me for nearly an hour about ways that we may proceed. He reminded me that, if I could become registered at the Durham VA Medical Center, where he works in addition to Duke, he'd be able to see me there and continue the treatments with no other change at all. I had a little glitch in getting registered (cited below), saw the Duke neurologist at VA few weeks later and have continued my treatments with no break at all; Medicare and Tricare continue to pay as they have for years. He schedules me to see him at the VA Center every six months; no problem with all of it so far, except the registration glitch cited below. A little aside on getting registered at VA: I filled out application on-line and printed it out, but had coupla questions before sending it in. 'Called coordinator at Durham VA Medical Center; during our discussion, coordinator asked about my possible exposure to Agent Orange; 'told her, Don't think so; I was never on the ground in Vietnam; 'flew B-52's from Guam and U-Tapao, Thailand. When I told her U-Tapao, she got excited and insisted that I go right now and talk to Ms ?, registration supervisor. 'Got my stuff together and off we went to Durham. Quickly found Ms. Supervisor, who told me, Don't have time to talk to you right now. Fill out these papers and give 'em to lady at window. When I started filling out the papers, I realized they were the ones I had in my hand already completed! 'Handed them to lady at window, who told me to wait here, we'll call you by name. Twice during the next 2½ hours, we were rebuffed whenever we tried to remind lady at the window that I was still waiting - You'll be called by name, she insisted. At 4 PM, ladies behind window picked up their handbags, locked door and left. Nearly an hour later, I had become very suspicious that I had truly been forgotten, and it began to look as if people were leaving for the day. I asked wife to find Ms Supervisor, I think they're leaving for the day. Supervisor was, indeed, leaving for the day; when she saw SWMBO, she exclaimed, What?!! You're still here?!! Yes, indeed, they had forgotten me!! Lady who should have taken the registration nearly 4 hours earlier was also leaving; supervisor called her back and called me in to give the registration info. During the 15 minutes or so that the registration took, Ms Supervisor kept trying to apologize, Oh, Mister Strickland, I'm so terribly sorry. I never said a word; never responded to the apology; 'just let 'em stew over it overnight, worried about possible call from their supervisors the next day, but I never reported it to anybody. They got away with it, and I sure
Re: [MBZ] Boiled heads
Dilute it a bit more and clean your driveway with it. You might be responsible for adjusting the pH of the Atlantic ocean by about a trillionth of a percent. --R On 6/4/14 11:18 AM, Meade Dillon wrote: Now, how will I dispose of this water? Down the toilet? Can't drain into the street, our storm drains go directly into the Cooper river. Im sure you are all aware that here in Charleston, the Ashley river and the Cooper river flow together at the end of the Charleston peninsula and form the Atlantic ocean. That's right, we're responsible for forming the Atlantic ocean. Can't be poisoning the Atlantic now, Andrew will be upset with me... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Boiled heads
The solution to pollution is dilution! Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 4, 2014 11:58 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Dilute it a bit more and clean your driveway with it. You might be responsible for adjusting the pH of the Atlantic ocean by about a trillionth of a percent. --R On 6/4/14 11:18 AM, Meade Dillon wrote: Now, how will I dispose of this water? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FEMA Fun - OT
Actually I did live in Lakeland for a couple of years. It was socially conservative back in the '80s; not a bad place to live. Gerry On 6/4/2014 11:46 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: well, at least you didn't live in lakeland like penoff! also, for the sake of full disclosure, i may be moving to lakeland myself soon On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:42 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I remember wrestling at Fort Homer Hesterly during the late 1940s because girlfriend loved it. Never paid any attention to wrestling after that. Gerry On 6/4/2014 9:20 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: and who can forget championship wrestling from florida from the tampa sportatorium? dan is senstive about lakeland, btw On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:12 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I thought you were east of Tampa; toward Lakeland. You must be south of Tampa from what you write. As far as flood lines and elevation are concerned, just keep a rowboat in your backyard and you'll be fine. (Just kidding) Gerry.who once lived near Palm River in a house on piers when the area was rural and headed north when hurricanes came our way. P.S. When we first arrived in Tampa from Indiana and lived in an apartment in Hyde Park, we were concerned about Old Tampa Bay flooding us out when a hurricane hit the area. Instead of that happening a hurricane stalled in the Gulf opposite the Tampa Bay area and sucked all the water out of Old Tampa Bay around Davis Islands and along Bayshore Drive. You could see thousands of crabs squirming around on the bay bottom, and the police later retrieved several bodies set in concrete that became visible. Tampa was a fun town back then! .. On 6/4/2014 7:21 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: My house is roughly 1/4 mile from a small river that leads to the bay and ultimately the Gulf. While it is a small tributary, in the event of a major hurricane the storm surge could push a significant amount of water inland. With this in mind, before we agreed to purchase our house we looked at the FEMA flood maps. Lo and behold, our house shows up right on the edge in a flood zone (AE, 100 year flood). Not good, we say, no deal. The owner tells us that they have never been required to purchase flood insurance. Strange. We contact our insurer and ask them to check it out with their underwriters. Insurance company comes back and says You're good, no flood insurance required. Hmm. Note that our property is built on fill that raised the original elevation a good 10 feet or more from the baseline flood elevation of 29 feet, and at the south end of the property there is what is referred to as a sea wall to contain the fill. From the top of this wall, which is at ground level for my property, it's a good four to five feet down to the original elevation. Looking at current USGS topo maps and FEMA flood maps, there is nothing that indicates the presence of the fill or sea wall. So I am thinking about this disparity in the records and wondering how I can get it corrected. I can file a LOMA with FEMA to get the change made, but that requires a survey with an elevation certificate. So the other day it occurs to me that I work right next to our GIS guys, so I go over and talk to them. They point me at our flood zone person down in Real Estate. I talk to her. Within minutes she comes back with a LOMA that was filed when the property was developed back in 1998 that exempts my house along with three others from the flood zone. ? I asked why the maps, while were redone in 2008, don't reflect the development or change in elevation, as any citizen who looked up our property would immediately assume it is in a flood zone? Oh, they never change the maps, I don't know why. They just issue LOMAs if the property is reclassified. head slap How's that for bureaucracy? Dan above the waterline Man Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Aw shucks. I didn't know that it was supposed to be impossible. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You big meanie. It obviously was not her fault. It was the fault of her supervisor who did not make it expressly clear that her time at work was to be used for the work of the employer. Very obviously, it should have been her supervisor who fell on his sword. On 04/06/2014 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I especially enjoy what is supposedly impossible. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA Aw shucks. I didn't know that it was supposed to be impossible. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Or the Director or the Secretary. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA You big meanie. It obviously was not her fault. It was the fault of her supervisor who did not make it expressly clear that her time at work was to be used for the work of the employer. Very obviously, it should have been her supervisor who fell on his sword. On 04/06/2014 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What is that old saying on the sign? Something like the impossible just takes us a bit longer Cannot recall the first part of it - something like - we do great things all the time ... On 04/06/2014 1:57 PM, WILTON wrote: I especially enjoy what is supposedly impossible. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA Aw shucks. I didn't know that it was supposed to be impossible. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
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Or The tough we do immediately. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA What is that old saying on the sign? Something like the impossible just takes us a bit longer Cannot recall the first part of it - something like - we do great things all the time ... On 04/06/2014 1:57 PM, WILTON wrote: I especially enjoy what is supposedly impossible. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA Aw shucks. I didn't know that it was supposed to be impossible. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such,
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
I see it happen with some regularity, as I am one of the investigators who gathers the evidence for the administrative and HR staff. I'm still amazed at how brazen people are when they clearly know their actions are being monitored and recorded. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: You big meanie. It obviously was not her fault. It was the fault of her supervisor who did not make it expressly clear that her time at work was to be used for the work of the employer. Very obviously, it should have been her supervisor who fell on his sword. On 04/06/2014 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FEMA Fun - OT
Half of it is still, the other half appears to be very urban, so to speak. Strange place. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Actually I did live in Lakeland for a couple of years. It was socially conservative back in the '80s; not a bad place to live. Gerry On 6/4/2014 11:46 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: well, at least you didn't live in lakeland like penoff! also, for the sake of full disclosure, i may be moving to lakeland myself soon On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:42 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I remember wrestling at Fort Homer Hesterly during the late 1940s because girlfriend loved it. Never paid any attention to wrestling after that. Gerry On 6/4/2014 9:20 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: and who can forget championship wrestling from florida from the tampa sportatorium? dan is senstive about lakeland, btw On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:12 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I thought you were east of Tampa; toward Lakeland. You must be south of Tampa from what you write. As far as flood lines and elevation are concerned, just keep a rowboat in your backyard and you'll be fine. (Just kidding) Gerry.who once lived near Palm River in a house on piers when the area was rural and headed north when hurricanes came our way. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
On 04/06/2014 2:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I see it happen with some regularity, as I am one of the investigators who gathers the evidence for the administrative and HR staff. I'm still amazed at how brazen people are when they clearly know their actions are being monitored and recorded. Dan Especially with computer use. My wife works in a library where people have been dismissed for: 1 - spending all their time trading suff on eBay 2 - downloading movies to the point where they were almost stalling out the system (and that was one of the higher level computer folks) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry On 6/4/2014 2:39 PM, WILTON wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
I know that it's not the Feds, but I did hire two employees working for the State of OK - one was fraudulent, the other just incompetent. Both were political appointees, one current at the time, the other a hold-over from a previous Governor. I just followed the prescribed procedure, and they were gone. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
That was supposed to read fired, not hired! On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I know that it's not the Feds, but I did hire two employees working for the State of OK - one was fraudulent, the other just incompetent. Both were political appointees, one current at the time, the other a hold-over from a previous Governor. I just followed the prescribed procedure, and they were gone. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] injector Pump removal
Hi Gang -- Our local Pull n pay has a 91 300D and i was thinking I should get the IP if the price is right to keep as a spare. What tools would I need to remove it? I can look at mine for the obvious, but is there anything unusual I need to consider? Thanks -- LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
I was the supervisor, new to the job. My deputy explained how easy it would be to get rid of Darlene if I were to simply follow the procedures in the manual. I also forced someone to quit who abused the leave policies by taking extensive LWOP (leave without pay). I wasn't too happy about that, but she was never around and the personnel regs limit the amount of LWOP one can take. Now the OPM rules allow employees to donate their annual leave to others who have exhausted all their leave due to their own or a relative's illness... On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: That was supposed to read fired, not hired! On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I know that it's not the Feds, but I did hire two employees working for the State of OK - one was fraudulent, the other just incompetent. Both were political appointees, one current at the time, the other a hold-over from a previous Governor. I just followed the prescribed procedure, and they were gone. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
But you must know what you are doing (many civil service managers don't) and document efforts to counsel. This requires the ability to read and write, skills many first-line supervisors are lacking. Then there's arbitration, and some departments are quite weak at making a case before an arbitrator. I was involved for a few years in structured interviews of applicants, where hypothetical and ambiguous scenarios were pitched at applicants with a what would you do? question. The panel of 3 would then either pass or fail the applicant on the spot. It was a wonderful way to stop problem employees before they got their feet in the door. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:35 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Two ATTABOYS! Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA I know that it's not the Feds, but I did hire two employees working for the State of OK - one was fraudulent, the other just incompetent. Both were political appointees, one current at the time, the other a hold-over from a previous Governor. I just followed the prescribed procedure, and they were gone. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
On 04/06/2014 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry The useless folks are supposed to work for the government. How could any one else afford to keep them around? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] injector Pump removal
Also keep all the metal injection lines - pricey to replace. Only real gotcha is that the bolt holding the IP to the IP timer is reverse threaded. Please grab the power steering pump if it is tandem (i.e. has four hose connections instead of two, because the car either has SLS or ASD), and I'll reimburse you up to $100 for the pump. I'd also love to have the upper radiator hose with hose clamps, in order to make a flushing hose. $10? Tools: Lug wrench metric sockets (10mm up to 19mm) and ratchet with extensions metric open end wrench set (10mm up to 19mm) 5mm and 6mm hex socket bits - don't remember which size for the intake manifold stuff screw drivers Remove fan shroud Remove serpentine belt (May want to remove the radiator?) Remove vacuum pump (may have to remove pulley from power steering?) Remove the three bolts that go through the block (front to back) that hold the IP to the block (these are what you must loosen to adjust the timing). Access from engine front. Remove the intake manifold Remove the metal injection lines Remove the IP mount at rear of pump May have to remove cruise control actuator Remove bolt holding IP to the IP timer - left handed threads - access from engine front. Remove various vacuum / electrical connections -Max On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Larry Turner l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang -- Our local Pull n pay has a 91 300D and i was thinking I should get the IP if the price is right to keep as a spare. What tools would I need to remove it? I can look at mine for the obvious, but is there anything unusual I need to consider? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FEMA Fun - OT
there are three towns right around there: lakeland is a city of 100,000 winter haven, 35,000 auburndale, 12,000 i would desire in life not to be the victim of a crime, particularly a violent one, and live short walking/biking distance from a large health club. a post office and an amtrak station. lakeland also has a ball park with 2 MLB farm teams. additionally there is a public transit system in the area. in terms of shopping, i'm under an hour from two costcos, one in brandon near tampa and dan and one in orlando. i go to costco maybe every two months. i do most of my shopping online and i'm sure there will be plenty of saturday morning farmer's markets for fresh produce. with the amtrak, i'm an easy trip to orlando or tampa or even west palm beach. im 24 hours from penn station in new york. if i can get a little folding bike and take it on the train, i have a lot of mobility going for me. the only thing i'll miss is going out the beach at 2am and talking to the crazy kids out there trying to get themselves a big shark. i like the beach in the middle of the night. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Actually I did live in Lakeland for a couple of years. It was socially conservative back in the '80s; not a bad place to live. Gerry On 6/4/2014 11:46 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: well, at least you didn't live in lakeland like penoff! also, for the sake of full disclosure, i may be moving to lakeland myself soon On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:42 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I remember wrestling at Fort Homer Hesterly during the late 1940s because girlfriend loved it. Never paid any attention to wrestling after that. Gerry On 6/4/2014 9:20 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: and who can forget championship wrestling from florida from the tampa sportatorium? dan is senstive about lakeland, btw On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:12 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I thought you were east of Tampa; toward Lakeland. You must be south of Tampa from what you write. As far as flood lines and elevation are concerned, just keep a rowboat in your backyard and you'll be fine. (Just kidding) Gerry.who once lived near Palm River in a house on piers when the area was rural and headed north when hurricanes came our way. P.S. When we first arrived in Tampa from Indiana and lived in an apartment in Hyde Park, we were concerned about Old Tampa Bay flooding us out when a hurricane hit the area. Instead of that happening a hurricane stalled in the Gulf opposite the Tampa Bay area and sucked all the water out of Old Tampa Bay around Davis Islands and along Bayshore Drive. You could see thousands of crabs squirming around on the bay bottom, and the police later retrieved several bodies set in concrete that became visible. Tampa was a fun town back then! .. On 6/4/2014 7:21 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: My house is roughly 1/4 mile from a small river that leads to the bay and ultimately the Gulf. While it is a small tributary, in the event of a major hurricane the storm surge could push a significant amount of water inland. With this in mind, before we agreed to purchase our house we looked at the FEMA flood maps. Lo and behold, our house shows up right on the edge in a flood zone (AE, 100 year flood). Not good, we say, no deal. The owner tells us that they have never been required to purchase flood insurance. Strange. We contact our insurer and ask them to check it out with their underwriters. Insurance company comes back and says You're good, no flood insurance required. Hmm. Note that our property is built on fill that raised the original elevation a good 10 feet or more from the baseline flood elevation of 29 feet, and at the south end of the property there is what is referred to as a sea wall to contain the fill. From the top of this wall, which is at ground level for my property, it's a good four to five feet down to the original elevation. Looking at current USGS topo maps and FEMA flood maps, there is nothing that indicates the presence of the fill or sea wall. So I am thinking about this disparity in the records and wondering how I can get it corrected. I can file a LOMA with FEMA to get the change made, but that requires a survey with an elevation certificate. So the other day it occurs to me that I work right next to our GIS guys, so I go over and talk to them. They point me at our flood zone person down in Real Estate. I talk to her. Within minutes she comes back with a LOMA that was filed when the property was developed back in 1998 that exempts my house along with three others from the flood zone. ? I asked why the maps, while were redone in 2008, don't reflect the development or change in elevation, as any citizen who looked up our property would immediately assume it
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Government employees do get bad reps for a reason, but in my experience the vast majority come to work each day really wanting to do work and do it well. The examples cited previously make it clear that bad employees CAN be fired, but it takes management to get off their butt and do the work. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Concerning the original topic (VA), here's my opinion. As Fred likes to say, you know where the delete key is... A good house-cleaning of the management, followed up with fair/transparent incentives for those who do an exceptional job, and I'll bet that most of the current deadbeat staff would either get with the program or resign. Those who truly care and excel will stick around and (hopefully) get promoted up in to management and if the right culture can be cultivated, the VA could become a great organization. Might easily take 3-5 years. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?
Today my starter has failed to turn for two out of six starts. The first time I heard nothing over the noise of the HVAC fan, second time I shut off the fan and could clearly hear a thunk but no turnee. Cycling the key did eventually convince the starter to turn. This last Saturday, when I met Rich downtown to see the 500 SEC that was supposedly for sale but sold moments before we arrived, my car ended up in deep water (streets flooding due to torrential downpour). Rich - how deep was it? I think the water was at least up to the mid-point of my front bumper as we drove out. The water did get into my car, had to remove seats / carpet and vacuum out a few gallons, stinky stuff and I did see one wiggling creature in the soup. I think it was either a leach or a small earthworm. So, I suspect the starter (and many other engine parts low-down) were either submerged or probably got very wet. And of course the two-year warranty on the starter expired in May... -Max (drier but maybe about to be poorer) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Watch yourself. There are a number of government employees here Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry The useless folks are supposed to work for the government. How could any one else afford to keep them around? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
It's been my experience that there is an old guard of folks in government service who are truly the poster children for the public's perception of government workers. Having been in both private and public sectors, I don't see a whole lot of difference in the people these days. Yes, there are probably more slackers in public service, but the nature of the organization simply allows for such behavior. As government becomes more like the private sector, that will go away. Our county government is such that it is customer (taxpayer) driven, and our County Administrator places that value at the top of the list. There's no nasty people at the DMV or horror stories of trying to wade through the bureaucracy to get something done. If this occurs, he's on it in no time and the offenders are out or banished to some distant site in the County to be rehabilitated. County government is much smaller, agile, and far easier to change, I believe. That being said, it's a top-down sort of attitude. Otherwise, the inmates run the asylum. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Government employees do get bad reps for a reason, but in my experience the vast majority come to work each day really wanting to do work and do it well. The examples cited previously make it clear that bad employees CAN be fired, but it takes management to get off their butt and do the work. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Is there any reason why the VA couldn't be broken up and the private sector paid to render services? At least for health care? I realize the VA is more than just medical care Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Concerning the original topic (VA), here's my opinion. As Fred likes to say, you know where the delete key is... A good house-cleaning of the management, followed up with fair/transparent incentives for those who do an exceptional job, and I'll bet that most of the current deadbeat staff would either get with the program or resign. Those who truly care and excel will stick around and (hopefully) get promoted up in to management and if the right culture can be cultivated, the VA could become a great organization. Might easily take 3-5 years. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Observations: Medical professionals are medical professionals. Bureaucrats are bureaucrats, and Federal Government bureaucrats may have become the worst of these for reasons cited previously by others. For those that don't know, the Durham VA complex is, literally, right across the street from Duke Hospital. I did fire one civil servant who was guilty of misconduct back in the early 90s. It wasn't easy or fast. It literally took two years for all the reviews and hearings before administrative law judges. The facts were clear (he stole about $1K from a subordinate) but he probably would have been reinstated if his immediate supervisor or I (as Commander) had been reassigned before it was all over. This guy hired a top lawyer (Medal of Honor recipient Bud Day) and the local Union representative was fierce. On the flip side, I later worked in private industry where we fired three employees for cause (time card errors, security deviations, and watching porn at work) on our relatively small team. In each case, the employee was called into the boss's office and gone in an hour. The rest of the team understood that these individuals jeopardized everyone else's job. That's in addition to several other folks who had to be let go because the mission changed or because they didn't really fit the job requirements. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:56 PM To: mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] finally VA Clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give reminds me: Because of horror stories I had heard about getting the run-around and long waiting times, I had never used VA medical care at all until about a year ago... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FEMA Fun - OT
Do they try to roll you back in? --R On 6/4/14 4:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: the only thing i'll miss is going out the beach at 2am and talking to the crazy kids out there trying to get themselves a big shark. i like the beach in the middle of the night. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Govt unions, patronage, and a huge bureaucracy built up around it all that would suddenly find themselves out of work. Of course your solution is the correct one, but no politician would touch it, perhaps throwing in the mix a privatization of most of the general medical services, with some of the more specialized things (PTSD treatments, loss of limbs, etc.) remaining with experts in those fields (which are not as prevalent in the general population/hospitals). --R On 6/4/14 5:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Is there any reason why the VA couldn't be broken up and the private sector paid to render services? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?
Yeah, it probably got soaked. Maybe you could dry it out with a dose of alcohol and air? -_R On 6/4/14 4:43 PM, Meade Dillon wrote: Today my starter has failed to turn for two out of six starts. The first time I heard nothing over the noise of the HVAC fan, second time I shut off the fan and could clearly hear a thunk but no turnee. Cycling the key did eventually convince the starter to turn. This last Saturday, when I met Rich downtown to see the 500 SEC that was supposedly for sale but sold moments before we arrived, my car ended up in deep water (streets flooding due to torrential downpour). Rich - how deep was it? I think the water was at least up to the mid-point of my front bumper as we drove out. The water did get into my car, had to remove seats / carpet and vacuum out a few gallons, stinky stuff and I did see one wiggling creature in the soup. I think it was either a leach or a small earthworm. So, I suspect the starter (and many other engine parts low-down) were either submerged or probably got very wet. And of course the two-year warranty on the starter expired in May... -Max (drier but maybe about to be poorer) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
On 04/06/2014 3:31 PM, Meade Dillon wrote: Government employees do get bad reps for a reason, but in my experience the vast majority come to work each day really wanting to do work and do it well. The examples cited previously make it clear that bad employees CAN be fired, but it takes management to get off their butt and do the work. -Max I do agree for the most part. Government employees are just like any other employees. There are good ones and bad ones and lots in between. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?
I'm sure it's dry by now, I've been driving the car everyday since Saturday, today is the first day the starter acted up. I'm wondering if some flotsam is jamming the solenoid? Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 4, 2014 5:23 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yeah, it probably got soaked. Maybe you could dry it out with a dose of alcohol and air? -_R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?
On 04/06/2014 4:49 PM, Meade Dillon wrote: I'm sure it's dry by now, I've been driving the car everyday since Saturday, today is the first day the starter acted up. I'm wondering if some flotsam is jamming the solenoid? Max Dillon, Charleston SC I have a hard time believing that the water killed it if it worked for days after the event. Either it was about to go anyway, or there is some other issue. Take it apart and clean it out good and test it or get it tested before buying a new one. But, maybe before you do all that, check the easier things first. Are the cables clean? Is the battery up to the right voltage? Is the alternator putting out the right voltage etc. Are the grounds good? Is the neutral safety switch good? It is likely under the car and got wet too? Always try the easy things first. We do have a tendancy to rush into things and assume things that we ought not to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Well, I did not mean it applies to all govt employees. A good example - my wife has an employee who is mostly of little use but the poor woman was attacked many years ago and suffered brain damage. She tries hard but has limited abilities. Most private businesses - esp small businesses - could not afford to keep her but she has worked many years for the university and I guess we all help to keep her employed. On 04/06/2014 3:55 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Watch yourself. There are a number of government employees here Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry The useless folks are supposed to work for the government. How could any one else afford to keep them around? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?
Good points Randy. I would like to take the car to FLAPS and have the battery and alternator tested. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 4, 2014 5:57 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 4:49 PM, Meade Dillon wrote: I'm sure it's dry by now, I've been driving the car everyday since Saturday, today is the first day the starter acted up. I'm wondering if some flotsam is jamming the solenoid? Max Dillon, Charleston SC I have a hard time believing that the water killed it if it worked for days after the event. Either it was about to go anyway, or there is some other issue. Take it apart and clean it out good and test it or get it tested before buying a new one. But, maybe before you do all that, check the easier things first. Are the cables clean? Is the battery up to the right voltage? Is the alternator putting out the right voltage etc. Are the grounds good? Is the neutral safety switch good? It is likely under the car and got wet too? Always try the easy things first. We do have a tendancy to rush into things and assume things that we ought not to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. What would have been the likely result if she didn't cut and run? We see cops (not federal) resigning in disgrace all the time, but we also see other cops, fired for doing far worse than the ones who resigned, suing and getting their jobs back with back pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Dan Penoff wrote: It's been my experience that there is an old guard of folks in government service who are truly the poster children for the public's perception of government workers. Are those the ones you see screaming in the streets during working hours, wearing purple SEIU T-Shirts, or are the purple shirt posse made up of unemployed idiots hired as day labor by the union? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally
Max wrote: Nonsense, we have the best given government money can buy! Are you quoting Dieselhead? Not that what you wrote is new... but it made me laugh tonight. Peter - you don't really expect me to vote, do you? Seriously, now. Vote? Nepotism, money, vote? What kind of schill do you take me for? Vote? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Years ago I read a report on Navy bureaucracy that described the same problems being discussed here. The conclusion was that not much could be done about the bureaucracy but that the Navies ships and crews were not affected and remained a potent fighting force. The report was written in the 19th century about the British Navy. The conclusion was that as long as bureaucracies are staffed by human beings they will forever be inefficient but the organizations they direct can still function satisfactorily. I wonder if we could say the same thing about the Washington bureaucracy and the nation it directs? If you look at Americas position among the nations of the world, I don't think you can say the U.S. is unsuccessful. Gerry . On 6/4/2014 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Gerry wrote: If you look at Americas position among the nations of the world, I don't think you can say the U.S. is unsuccessful. If we want to be seriously realistic, I think we should be saying this to each other. Yes, the U.S. is unsuccessful. Really. Once we can own up to this reality, we can chart a path to proper and effective solutions. Until then, the slide to total depravity that we are suffering these days will continue until failure is exceptional, as all national failures are exceptional. Shall we join Greece and Rome in the list of exceptional failures of the eons? Let's be man enough to get our heads out of the sand and own up our unsuccessfulness so that we can get on with success. Please. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally
No, he's quoting Mark Twin --- On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Max wrote: Nonsense, we have the best given government money can buy! Are you quoting Dieselhead? mao -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Grant wrote: This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. So... Do you think we have our heads in the sand? We say vote - which sounds peaceful. Nobody says guns - which sounds not peaceful. Nobody says revolution - which sounds peaceful. btw, there is absotively zero possibility of something less than peaceful means in our kulture today. However, when you see something that is coming down, please let me know because I am a ready volunteer to be a target for the other side to hit, i.e. I will do that deed for my you and my countrymen and not ask my country for VA benefits. I will not volunteer in any of today's McCain warmongering, however. Bury that man, seriously. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
McCain: I'm from the government and I'm not happy until you are not happy Pretty much says it for me and he is my Senator. On 6/4/14, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Grant wrote: This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. So... Do you think we have our heads in the sand? We say vote - which sounds peaceful. Nobody says guns - which sounds not peaceful. Nobody says revolution - which sounds peaceful. btw, there is absotively zero possibility of something less than peaceful means in our kulture today. However, when you see something that is coming down, please let me know because I am a ready volunteer to be a target for the other side to hit, i.e. I will do that deed for my you and my countrymen and not ask my country for VA benefits. I will not volunteer in any of today's McCain warmongering, however. Bury that man, seriously. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Albania
# 1 grndson called via Skype from Tirana, Albania, early this afternoon; showed me around his apartment, the neighborhood, etc. I was very well impressed; nice-looking neighborhood; very nice 2nd floor apartment with balcony/terrace; could be in Anywhere, USA; hardwood floors, stainless appliances in American-looking kitchen, nice furniture/fixtures throughout; ceramic tile and modern fixtures in bathroom; 'was shocked, though, when I saw electrical receptacle at about chest height on back, inside wall of ceramic shower stall. Small electric water heater is mounted in upper, rear corner of shower stall; electric cord for the heater is plugged into the receptacle! Cost of living there seems to be about a third of that in Paris. So far, he's very well pleased. BTW, coupla days ago, I mentioned that I'd like for 'im to register at the American embassy - he says it's next door and sort of fortress-looking, and he walks past it to his job about 10 minutes away. I said, Great! S o stop in and let 'em know you're there. He has been to a shopping mall nearby and bought some nice-looking shirts and khaki pants. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Really? It appears to me that Al Qaeda has accomplished their objective of repelling the US from the Middle East. China and Russia, the other big kids on the block, seem unconcerned about potential US intervention. Meanwhile, China is buying up the US (piecemeal) while Europe is blackmailed by Russian energy. From where I stand it seems delusional to believe the US still has great influence in the world. I would be interested in views of some of our non-US members. Scott -Original Message- From: arche...@embarqmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:41 PM ... If you look at Americas position among the nations of the world, I don't think you can say the U.S. is unsuccessful. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Albania
'was shocked, though, when I saw electrical receptacle at about chest height on back, inside wall of ceramic shower stall. Small electric water heater is mounted in upper, rear corner of shower stall; electric cord for the heater is plugged into the receptacle! And household receptacles are 220v over there. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally
Another variant: we were supposed to get the government of the many, instead we got the government of the MONEY! I'm not sure who originally said these, the host of my favorite talk show uses them. Bob Brinker on Money Talk, Sunday afternoons from 4 to 7 eastern. Also realize there is a typo in my original, should be we have the best government money can buy. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 4, 2014 11:03 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: No, he's quoting Mark Twin --- On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Max wrote: Nonsense, we have the best given government money can buy! Are you quoting Dieselhead? mao -- OK Don ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] I probably shouldn't buy this...
I should probably stay away from rusty 4.5L C107s, right? http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/4504525995.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
