[newbie-it] Uso drive NVIDIA per Unreal Tournament 2003
--- kudega [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On 2003.09.02 19:30, freefred wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 September 2003 02:31, kudega wrote: Si c'è l'estensione GLX ma non NV-GLX o NVIDIA-GLX Allora mi sono smazzato google e dovrei aggiornare il kernel per poi installare questi... NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4363.0.n0i.i386.rpm NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4363.2.4.20_13.9.n0i.i386.rpm In teoria dovrebbe funzionare ma dato che non ho mai provato a ricompilare il kernel per ora lascio perdere... Grazie comunque!!! Tranquillo, non è una operazione difficile, io l'ho fatta per la mia SuSe 7.3 e non ho avuto alcun problema, ha funzionato subito. Se sei interessato ad eseguire l'operazione, scrivimi ti darò le informazioni passo-passo per effettuare la cosa. __ Yahoo! Cellulari: loghi, suonerie, picture message per il tuo telefonino http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mobile.yahoo.com/index2002.html
[newbie-it] Login su Mandrake 9.1
Forse non mi sono spiegato bene nella scorsa e-mail. Il mio problema con la Mandrake 9.1 è che non riesco ad avere la videata di login dopo che ho fatto il logout, infatti ottengo come risultato lo stato di stand-bye del mio portatile ASUS L3540 (ossia tutto spento tranne il ventilatore di raffreddamento). Questo problema sembrerebbe un baco di Mandrake 9.1, in quanto che usando la distribuzione RedHat 9.0a questo non accade e quindi dopo il logout appare la videata di login (come tutti i sistemi Unix e Unix like fanno o dovrebbero fare). Qualcuno mi sa dire cosa devo fare ? __ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie-it] Login su Mandrake 9.1
Alle 08:56, mercoledì 3 settembre 2003, Giorgio GUGLIELMONE ha scritto: Forse non mi sono spiegato bene nella scorsa e-mail. Il mio problema con la Mandrake 9.1 è che non riesco ad avere la videata di login dopo che ho fatto il logout, infatti ottengo come risultato lo stato di stand-bye del mio portatile ASUS L3540 (ossia tutto spento tranne il ventilatore di raffreddamento). Questo problema sembrerebbe un baco di Mandrake 9.1, in quanto che usando la distribuzione RedHat 9.0a questo non accade e quindi dopo il logout appare la videata di login (come tutti i sistemi Unix e Unix like fanno o dovrebbero fare). Qualcuno mi sa dire cosa devo fare ? Vediamo un po' di capire cosa succede ... Quando accendi il PC, entri in modalità grafica o console? Se parti in modalità grafica entri direttamente come utente predefinito o ti appare un DM da cui scegliere l'utente? Quando fai logout, ti appare un menù in cui scegliere tra cambio utente, spegnimento e riavvio? Nell'ipotesi più probabile che parti con X più DisplayManager e che fai un semplice cambio utente, prova a cambiare il DM. Dal centro di controllo Mandrake, scegli la scheda avvio. Lì c'è la possibilità di cambiare da mndk-kdm (o un nome simile, che a volte dà problemi) a kdm-base o gdm (che sono più collaudati). ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie-it] Uso drive NVIDIA per Unreal Tournament 2003
Tranquillo, non è una operazione difficile, io l'ho fatta per la mia SuSe 7.3 e non ho avuto alcun problema, ha funzionato subito. Se sei interessato ad eseguire l'operazione, scrivimi ti darò le informazioni passo-passo per effettuare la cosa. Per curiosità mi scrivi in breve i passaggi da eseguire? grazie ciao ciao Davide
[newbie-it] ad Andrea CELLI: Login su Mandrake 9.1
--- Andrea Celli [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Vediamo un po' di capire cosa succede ... Quando accendi il PC, entri in modalità grafica o console? Sì, parto in modalità grafica. Se parti in modalità grafica entri direttamente come utente predefinito o ti appare un DM da cui scegliere l'utente? Mi appare la richiesta di Login grafico con indicati gli attuali profili, ossia root e utente normale (questo perchè ho abilitato la visualizzazione anche di root, che per default Mandrake 9.1 nell'installazione nasconde). Ho anche provato con un GDM (formato tarball: tra.gz) ma non cambia nulla, il problema resta. Quando fai logout, ti appare un menù in cui scegliere tra cambio utente, spegnimento e riavvio? Sì, ed è proprio da qui in poi che ho il problema, ossia quando mi appare il menù (che hai citato), quindi scelgo la voce di menù cambio utente ma per tutta risposta il mio portatile va in stand-bye (ossia si spegne tutto tranne la ventola di raffreddamento) e quindi mi vedo costretto a dover premere il pulsante di spegnimento del portatile per spegnerlo completamente (la ventola si ferma) e poi ripremere il pulsante di accensione portatile. Così facendo ovviamente parte il boot normale e quindi appare ovviamente il Login grafico. Nell'ipotesi più probabile che parti con X più DisplayManager e che fai un semplice cambio utente, prova a cambiare il DM. Dal centro di controllo Mandrake, scegli la scheda avvio. Lì c'è la possibilità di cambiare da mndk-kdm (o un nome simile, che a volte dà problemi) a kdm-base o gdm (che sono più collaudati). Sì, ho già provato come ho spiegato sopra, ma non cambia nulla, sono sempre costretto a dover riaccendere il portatile per far riapparire il Login grafico e quindi scegliere l'utente con cui voglio entrare. ciao, Giorgio __ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie-it] Login su Mandrake 9.1
Alle 11:52, mercoledì 3 settembre 2003, Giorgio GUGLIELMONE ha scritto: --- Andrea Celli [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: conviene sempre lasciare il dialogo aperto a tutti come vedi anch'io sto brancolando nel buio: non ho mai visto un problema simile :-) Sì, parto in modalità grafica. Mi appare la richiesta di Login grafico con indicati gli attuali profili, ossia root e utente normale (questo perchè ho abilitato la visualizzazione anche di root, che per default Mandrake 9.1 nell'installazione nasconde).. Quando fai logout, ti appare un menù in cui scegliere tra cambio utente, spegnimento e riavvio? Sì, ed è proprio da qui in poi che ho il problema, ossia quando mi appare il menù (che hai citato), quindi scelgo la voce di menù cambio utente ma per tutta risposta il mio portatile va in stand-bye (ossia si spegne tutto tranne la ventola di raffreddamento) e quindi mi vedo costretto a dover premere il pulsante di spegnimento del portatile per spegnerlo completamente (la ventola si ferma) e poi ripremere il pulsante di accensione portatile. Così facendo ovviamente parte il boot normale e quindi appare ovviamente il Login grafico. Hai provato a vedere cosa viene scritto nei messaggi di sistema? In diretta, puoi lanciare come root il comando tail -f /var/log/messages appena prima di fare logout. In differita, al riavvio successivo apri il file /var/log/messages e vedi cosa ha scritto prima del logout o, per non perderti in quel file enorme, prova a dare tail -f /var/log/messages messaggi appena prima del logout. Non l'ho mai fatto, ma ad occhio dovrebbe funzionare. ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie-it] Login su Mandrake 9.1
Hai provato a vedere cosa viene scritto nei messaggi di sistema? In diretta, puoi lanciare come root il comando tail -f /var/log/messages appena prima di fare logout. In differita, al riavvio successivo apri il file /var/log/messages e vedi cosa ha scritto prima del logout o, per non perderti in quel file enorme, prova a dare tail -f /var/log/messages messaggi appena prima del logout. Non l'ho mai fatto, ma ad occhio dovrebbe funzionare. ciao, Andrea Grazie Andrea, proverò a fare come dici tu e ti farò sapere in ogni caso. A te comunque questa stranezza non capita ? ciao, Giorgio __ Yahoo! Cellulari: loghi, suonerie, picture message per il tuo telefonino http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mobile.yahoo.com/index2002.html
Re: [newbie-it] Per Davide: Uso drive NVIDIA per Unreal Tournament 2003
Alle 11:58, mercoledì 3 settembre 2003, Giorgio GUGLIELMONE ha scritto: Per curiosità mi scrivi in breve i passaggi da eseguire? grazie ciao ciao Davide Lo farei ben volentieri se solo avessi qui con me la rivista che mi spiegava ciò, comunque se vai sul sito della NVIDIA dove hai scaricato i file, troverai anche il manuale di comoilazione ed installazione dei suoi driver. Domani dovrei essere in grado di dirti come fare, pazienta per un giorno. Ciao, installare i driver Nvidia? basta scaricare il loro script e lanciarlo con sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run poi apri il file /etc/X11/XF86-Config-4 e fare le modifiche richieste nel loro README .. find the relevant Device section and replace the line: Driver nv (or Driver vesa) with Driver nvidia In the Module section, make sure you have: Load glx You should also remove the following lines: Load dri Load GLcore puoi anche aggiungere Options NoLogo on per togliere il logo pubblicitario all'avvio Options CursorShadow on per mettere l'ombra al mouse :-) ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie-it] Login su Mandrake 9.1
Andrea Celli ha scritto: Alle 11:52, mercoledì 3 settembre 2003, Giorgio GUGLIELMONE ha scritto: --- Andrea Celli [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: conviene sempre lasciare il dialogo aperto a tutti come vedi anch'io sto brancolando nel buio: non ho mai visto un problema simile :-) Sì, parto in modalità grafica. Mi appare la richiesta di Login grafico con indicati gli attuali profili, ossia root e utente normale (questo perchè ho abilitato la visualizzazione anche di root, che per default Mandrake 9.1 nell'installazione nasconde).. Quando fai logout, ti appare un menù in cui scegliere tra cambio utente, spegnimento e riavvio? Sì, ed è proprio da qui in poi che ho il problema, ossia quando mi appare il menù (che hai citato), quindi scelgo la voce di menù cambio utente ma per tutta risposta il mio portatile va in stand-bye (ossia si spegne tutto tranne la ventola di raffreddamento) e quindi mi vedo costretto a dover premere il pulsante di spegnimento del portatile per spegnerlo completamente (la ventola si ferma) e poi ripremere il pulsante di accensione portatile. Così facendo ovviamente parte il boot normale e quindi appare ovviamente il Login grafico. Hai provato a vedere cosa viene scritto nei messaggi di sistema? In diretta, puoi lanciare come root il comando tail -f /var/log/messages appena prima di fare logout. In differita, al riavvio successivo apri il file /var/log/messages e vedi cosa ha scritto prima del logout o, per non perderti in quel file enorme, prova a dare tail -f /var/log/messages messaggi appena prima del logout. Non l'ho mai fatto, ma ad occhio dovrebbe funzionare. ciao, Andrea Anche io ho lo stesso problema. HO scavalcato parzialmente il tutto eseguendo da console il comando reboot o halt e la macchina si spegne regolarmente.Chiaramente non ho risolto il problema, del quale vorrei capire il perché!! Ciao, Totò
[newbie-it] Per Andrea: Uso drive NVIDIA per Unreal Tournament 2003
installare i driver Nvidia? basta scaricare il loro script e lanciarlo con sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run E dove lo trovo questo script ??? Io qui (http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0261.html) ho trovato dei driver per la mia RedHat 9,ho provato ad installare questo pacchetto (NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0261.rh90up_2.4.20_6.athlon.rpm) ma non trovo nessuno script pkg.run o roba del genere... Sono solo file di testo o .o Mi dice che devo ricompilare il kernel. Dove posso trovare il pacchetto che dici tu? Io utilizzo una RedHat 9 con 2,4,20-8. Grazie ancora! Ciao ciao Davide PS : Ecco il contenuto del pacchetto da me installato 16:22 root # rpm -ql NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0261.rh90up_2.4.20_6 /usr/src/nvidia/nvgart /lib/modules/2.4.20-6/kernel/drivers/net/nvnet.o /lib/modules/2.4.20-6/kernel/drivers/sound/nvaudio.o /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_nforce-1.0 /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_nforce-1.0/GNULicense.txt /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_nforce-1.0/NVLicense.txt /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_nforce-1.0/ReleaseNotes.html /usr/src/nvidia/nvgart/README /usr/src/nvidia/nvgart/linux-2.4.20-agpgart.diff
Re: [newbie-it] Webcam
Il mer, 2003-09-03 alle 01:31, kudega ha scritto: On 2003.09.02 20:37, Pollo wrote: Possiedo una webcam Digicom Galileo su porta parallela; dalle notizie che ho trovato su internet è compatibile con le webcam CPIA e supportata da linux. Però non riesco a farla funzionare. Qualcuno ha esperienze con webcam e linux? Uso la MDK9.1 con kernel 2.4.19. Grazie mille, Pollo. Io ho seguito queste istruzione che erano nel Cd d'installazione della Web e funzica alla perfezione. You must have first compiled USB support, support for your specific USB host controller (UHCI or OHCI), and Video4Linux support for your kernel (I recommend making them modules.) Make sure Enforce bandwidth allocation is NOT enabled. Next, (as root): modprobe usbcore modprobe usb-uhci OR modprobe usb-ohci modprobe videodev modprobe ov511 If it is not already there (it usually is), create the video device: mknod /dev/video c 81 0 Sometimes /dev/video is a symlink to /dev/video0 You will have to set permissions on this device to allow you to read/ write from it: chmod 666 /dev/video chmod 666 /dev/video0 (if necessary) Now you are ready to run a video app! ...e poi faccio partire xawtv Fammi sapere! Ciao ciao Davide Funziona! Avevo già fatto così anche io . Se ti dico perchè non andava ti metti a ridere: non avevo collegato il cavetto della webcam alla porta ps/2. Ho solo un problema ora: non riesco a catturare i filmari in avi. Ho provato usando xawtv ma non riesco. Tu sei riuscito in qualche modo? Ciao, grazie.
Re: [newbie-it] Unreal Tournament 2003
-- Initial Header --- Allora mi sono smazzato google e dovrei aggiornare il kernel per poi installare questi... NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4363.0.n0i.i386.rpm NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4363.2.4.20_13.9.n0i.i386.rpm In teoria dovrebbe funzionare ma dato che non ho mai provato a ricompilare il kernel per ora lascio perdere... Grazie comunque!!! No, non c'e' bisogno di ricompilare il kernel per installare i driver nvidia. Se non li hai installati, non hai nemmeno l'accelerazione grafica e quindi UT2003 certo non funzionera'. Scarica i driver dell'nvidia (non quelli in .rpm, che non sono aggiornati) da qui: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-4496 E' un installer, che lancerai da console, senza X insomma, e fa praticamente tutto lui. Leggi bene il README perche' se li installi per la prima volta dovrai fare a mano una piccola modifica nell /etc/XF86Config.
Re: [newbie-it] Login su Mandrake 9.1
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, toto wrote: Anche io ho lo stesso problema. HO scavalcato parzialmente il tutto eseguendo da console il comando reboot o halt e la macchina si spegne regolarmente.Chiaramente non ho risolto il problema, del quale vorrei capire il perché!! Non avevo mai sentito di problemi del genere... L'unico consiglio che posso darvi è, oltre a controllare messages come ha detto Andrea, togliere il login grafico e metterlo testuale, facendo poi partire X con startx (o con uno script automatico, evitando di dover ogni volta lanciare X manualmente). Facendo così e facendo poi il logout potete almeno capire se il problema c'è solo nel caso di login grafico oppure se il problema è proprio nel logout del window manager che usate. Ciao ciao, Chiara -- == L'uomo e' uomo e quel briciolo d'intelletto di cui disponiamo non conta molto ne' poco quando la passione infuria e ci si sente oppressi dalle pareti dell'umanita'. (Goethe)
[newbie-it] Mandrake 9.2
Qualcuno ha gia' provato la RC1? Cosa ne pensate? Quando potrebbe uscire la versione stabile? Grz.
Re: [newbie-it] Per Andrea: Uso drive NVIDIA per Unreal Tournament 2003
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 E dove lo trovo questo script ??? Io qui (http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0261.html) ho trovato dei driver per la mia RedHat 9,ho provato ad installare questo pacchetto (NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0261.rh90up_2.4.20_6.athlon.rpm) ma non trovo nessuno script pkg.run o roba del genere... Scusa se mi intrometto, ma quello che hai provato ad installare sono i driver per il chipset nforce, sempre prodotto dalla nvidia, ma che riguarda tutt'altra componentistica (agp, suono, scheda di rete, etc...) quello che devi cercare e scaricare il driver unico (non in formato rpm a meno che tu non abbia una suse): http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-4496/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run e comunque ti consiglio vivamente di leggerti anche la pagina: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-4496 dove puoi trovare tutte le info che ti servono Ciao Nicola - -- Un tizio si presenta dal dottore per una visita completa, dato che e' un po' di tempo che non si sente bene. Dopo la visita, il dottore si rivolge al paziente e dice: Sono spiacente, ma ho delle brutte notizie. Voi state molto male e non vi resta piu' molto tempo. Oh no, e' terribile! Quanto tempo mi rimane?. E il dottore: 10 E il paziente: 10 che cosa? Mesi? Settimane? Giorni?. E il medico: 9...8...7...6 -- Da it.hobby.umorismo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Vkuusz9TipRz9yIRAuEVAJ9rpBFwskNF8d5v0YhZ5MRS2MYovACggg5L IDrZ3Dq5UJZ1SGUcXbfUIrs= =tgK3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie-it] Uso drive NVIDIA per Unreal Tournament 2003
Scusa se mi intrometto, ma quello che hai provato ad installare sono i driver per il chipset nforce, sempre prodotto dalla nvidia, ma che riguarda tutt'altra componentistica (agp, suono, scheda di rete, etc...) quello che devi cercare e scaricare il driver unico (non in formato rpm a meno che tu non abbia una suse): http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-4496/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run e comunque ti consiglio vivamente di leggerti anche la pagina: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-4496 dove puoi trovare tutte le info che ti servono Ciao Nicola Argh! Che figuraccia.. avete proprio ragione! Ora sto scaricando il driver giusto... Grazie ancora.. vi farò sapere se riuscirò a far girare unreal! :) byebyeby Davide
RE: Re[2]: [newbie] MDK Gaming Mailing List?
Well, I have mailman, permanent connection and static IP/domain name.. I can run the gamming list if you like.. rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of HaywireMac Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2003 3:57 AM To: newbie Subject: Re: Re[2]: [newbie] MDK Gaming Mailing List? On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:30:36 -0700 rikona [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Does your ISP allow lists? If so, this might be easier and it is likely to be able to get mail all the time. Somehow I'd doubt it, but I'll check on that, thanks! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Dying is one of the few things that can be done as easily lying down. -- Woody Allen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
After that you have to sign the new EULA or have your access barred apparently. Which is nice. -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 YIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 07:26:31 up 21:01, 3 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Procmail and Fetchmail as system services
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:12, HaywireMac wrote: Why not /dev/null? Have you actually read through the entire RC file yet? The idea would be to collect the crap, inspect the crap, then delete the crap... What if something came through that WASN'T a bug and WAS important? Uh - why not just have the clients on the network use IMAP - so that you can share a public set of folders...?? Not familiar with that concept, I guess, is why I never thunk of it... Just like having Exchange and using a public message box/forum - do you want your wife to CC you on email funnies, or you to CC her on them? Why not dump them into a public folder that everyone in the house can access so that you're not necessarily CC'ing everyone that you live with - helps to cut down unnecessary email traffic, ya reckon? I've got public folders that I copy stuff to for legal purposes - so the wife and look at them or refer back to them for accounting/business reasons... How does that work? My wife uses Outhouse Express, can that even do IMAP? I'm scared to go near that machine... LookOut Express can do either POP3, IMAP or HTTP-mail... It's so bloody easy - but mind you, I substitute SENDMAIL for POSTFIX - other than that, it's easy as pie. Well, I'll take that as encouragement and get started in the AM. It's so easy even YOU can do it. But I want to know *how* I would do it in a large scale ops... apparently this Linux thing could become attractive in certain business sectors, or so I've read in the tabloids, so I would like to be able to say, hey, I know how to do that... Baby steps, Bob. Maybe, tho, I've got two things confused, using a *global* fetchmail, postfix, and procmail config, and running the lot as a system service. I *do* want it to run at boot, and not just as a regular user. If you setup proper cron jobs, they run at boot - and why even bother to reboot a unix/linux box anyways? stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - There are few people more often in the wrong than those who cannot endure to be thought so. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
or simpley use the new kopete(still under construction, but will be released soon) wich supports the msn protocol: http://www.hypothetic.org/docs/msn/index.php what's the news EULA? r. Zitat von Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED]: After that you have to sign the new EULA or have your access barred apparently. Which is nice. -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 YIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 07:26:31 up 21:01, 3 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Messed up my fonts! Help!
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:14, Trey Sizemore wrote: I installed an updated xft2 and some Microsoft fonts via URPMI (Texstar)...since then...well...seems Gnome apps are hosed. I don't know what the defaults were (which looked good), or how to change it. Any help is appreciated. Last time I toasted Gnome, I had to delete the .gnome and .gconf and .gtk directories and file and start fresh - also, there was a .fonts-cache file in my home dir that I had to constantly wipe out - and all was well - for a while - but then just gave up on Gnome completely because it tends to not play nice after it breaks once or twice...snowball effect... stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - Don't let people drive you crazy when you know it's in walking distance. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 13:30, Miark wrote: It's not quite like that. In the event that Microsoft offers a replacement or modified version of or any upgrade to the SOFTWARE, (a) your continued use of the SOFTWARE is conditioned on your acceptance of such replacement or modified version of or upgrade to the SOFTWARE and any accompanying superseding EULA... in other words you have to explicitly accept a change to Messenger or its EULA. As much as they'd love to, they can't just change it and mail you an invoice. Miark Fsck them anyways. They're getting way too pervasive, intrusive and overbearing. I hope that a million script kiddies get on the band wagon and ride M$'s hole-ee OS's down to the ground. Really. And I'll be laughing my way to the bank on it. Piss on Gates. He could care less about anything or anyone, and for someone that's only a few years older than most of us, he certainly ain't going to dictate WHAT kind of computer experience *I* want or enjoy, or WHAT type of content *I* want or enjoy - frag'em. ...sorry, didn't mean to sound sore... stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. - Frank Zappa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] enemy territory
On Tuesday 2 Sep 2003 Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I don't mean I am root, I mean just a stand alone game not online. So even if you are not playing others do you need access to the ports. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, you can host a game without connecting to the outside world. Though I don't see why you would want to that, since you would be all alone in the game and have no one to play against. Or have I missed something? Is it possible to play against the computer? -- Björn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] enemy territory
On Tuesday 2 Sep 2003 Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2003 08:48 am, Tango Echo wrote: Denis, any progress with this? After I installed it, a menu short cut (KGamesEnemy Territory) automatically appeared. Was this not the case with you? Yes I have the shortcut it just gives me a black screen. Nothing happens.-- Dennis M. linux user #180842 What if you try it from the command line? Does it give you any helpful error messages? Have you checked the XFree86 logs in /var/log? Maybe you can find a hint in there. -- Björn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Pay up, SCO
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 13:44, Miark wrote: A REPORT ON a German web site said that SCO faces a fine of 10,000 Euros or alternatively its CEO can spend 10 days in clink for violating an injunction. According to Pro-Linux.de, the site kept on claiming that Linux breaches SCO intellectual property and copyrights, even though it was ordered by a German judge earlier this year to stop doing that. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11321 I'd just assume make'em stay a week in Knoxville. Right offa Magnolia Ave. That'd teach'em. BTW, I got the CD's yesterday. Sent in June, arrived on Sept. 1 stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - Machines certainly can solve problems, store information, correlate, and play games -- but not with pleasure. -- Leo Rosten Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
the reason is mainly for system recovery IIRC. reiser fs support was marked as experimental in kernels, and some kernels may not be compiled with reiser fs. by comparison, it's hard to imagine anyone not compiling support for ext2 into any general purpose kernel, esp those used for the floppy disk system recovery distributions and such. also, IIRC, all(most?) ext3 partitions are simply read as ext2 if the kernel doesn't support ext3. so using as ext3 is quite safe as well, in term of kernel support. hope this helps. - Original Message - From: Tony S. Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 00:43 Subject: RE: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS? I am curious if it is for performance or stability? I remember Civileme from the list and he obviously has a lot of insight into the file system. So please Anne for future reference if you could find it for me. Many Thanks, Tony. -Original Message- From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 5:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS? On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 4:37 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Tuesday September 2 2003 09:23 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, What is the reason you make /boot ext3? I do everything reiserfs is this wrong? Thanks, Tony. Because Civileme told me too ;) If you don't know, Civileme was a Mandrake employee who use to be a regular on this list. His job was QA, and as part of that he did extensive file system testing. He recommended XFS or ReiserFS, but cautioned that /boot should be on an ext3 partition. I never did understand exactly why tho, I just trusted his advice. I'd go one further. Based on what Civileme said, my /boot is ext2. I think I may have the original post, if it helps, but it would take a bit of digging. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
or simpley use the new kopete(still under construction, but will be released soon) wich supports the msn protocol: http://www.hypothetic.org/docs/msn/index.php what's the news EULA? r. You obviously have not been following this thread. Basically the new protocol will only work, even with the new Kopete, up until the 15th Oct, then you have to agree to the Microsoft License (EULA) or your account will be closed. I think its going to spell trouble for them as I know there are people who are consulting laywers over this (seriously!). -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 YIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 08:03:02 up 21:38, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Wednesday 31 December, 1969 4:00PM
On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 2:04 am, Erylon Hines wrote: Because it's my WIFE'S e-mail account and she is xenophobic about it. I had a hell of a time getting her switched to Linux in the first place, so changing e-mail clients is TOTALLY OUT OF THE QUESTION. Fixing it is the only option. If the fault is on the sending computer you have no chance. I've forgotten just where this started - is it only from certain sources, or all her mail? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 8:09 am, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: Basically the new protocol will only work, even with the new Kopete, up until the 15th Oct, then you have to agree to the Microsoft License (EULA) or your account will be closed. You mean that the eula has to be signed to keep the hotmail account that fuels msn? There's no point in the new kopete if it can't connect, is there? I think its going to spell trouble for them as I know there are people who are consulting laywers over this (seriously!). Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] ARTICLE: A Galaxy of Possibility Part 1: Mandrake 9.1 ProSuite
We KNOW Mandrake is kick-arse, but here's some great PR ;) http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=262 stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - Anyone who knows history, particularly the history of Europe, will, I think, recognize that the domination of education or of government by any one particular religious faith is never a happy arrangement for the people. - Eleanor Roosevelt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 11:32 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Here's a tidbit to think about for anyone that really really wants to use the MSN Messenger on Windows; the past EULA's and the new EULA literally state that Microsoft has the right to view the contents of that particular machine without permission of the user/owner. Now what do they think? You're preaching to the converted, Stephen, but generally teenages are more interested in what their mates do than in security. It's a crazy world. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interpreting an e-mail
On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 5:42 am, Eric Huff wrote: I really wish Mandrake-admins would just zap these idiots off the list when they do boneheaded things like this. I haven't been able to contact the admins... I have sent mail to a couple diff accounts that should make their way to an admin, but no luck. One was this morning, so i'll give it a few days. I don't use the club as I ought to - somehow never seem to have time - but someone said using the forums - troll section, I think - should get back to them. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
Basically the new protocol will only work, even with the new Kopete, up until the 15th Oct, then you have to agree to the Microsoft License (EULA) or your account will be closed. more information bout eula: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5066412.html BUT: kopete will be able to run AFTER 15th of Oct, cause you can sign the eula in kopete.(information from a worker in my company. he read this on www.kde. org/kopete he said it will be version 0.8 of kopete. i didnt found something, i've to trust him ;) I think its going to spell trouble for them as I know there are people who are consulting laywers over this (seriously!). doesnt matter :) nothing can be totaly sure of hacking. the hack only takes more time ;) and if msn wont work anymore, most of the people will use another instant messenger. like icq. remo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fw: cheval-de-frise:______ __________ __________
On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 5:38 am, Eric Huff wrote: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:04:35 -0400 HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has *got* to be the most inscrutable piece of spam I have ever received...LOL! Oh, great. Now popfile will think this crap is ham... :) Will it? On mine, [newbie] is set as a magnet, and therefore not scanned. That crap would only be accepted inside the [newbie] protection. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/25/1910248.shtml?tid=16 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Software patent petition
On Tuesday 02 September 2003 05:43, John Richard Smith wrote: Eric Huff wrote: |h, can't sign it unless I live in EU I guess... | |only C choices were Cyprus and Czech Rep., no Canada... Wouldn't you qualify as North America? Is Canada in northamerica? On another note, it's kinda funny that the site for EU patents uses pics of the statue of liberty... Why not, isn't the original is in Paris. John The statue was designed and made in France as a gift to the US. It was assembled in France for a world fair for exhibition and fund raising purposes. The group involved had many problems funding the project in France as well as in the US. It was not until a New York paper picked up the banner and started publishing a series of articles on the statue that the funds were raised, literally shaming the US into action. The word donation leaves an impression of either used or leftover. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dell Inspiron 5150 laptop and linux..
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:35:07 -0600 Heather/Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:39:09 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, snip I have just ordered the following laptop. Does anyone have any suggestions or hints on loading linux on this thing? it comes with XP home which I will want to resize (the partition) and dualboot with linux.. Am I likely to have any troubles with this thing?(I am dieing to load some 3D games on this thing out of curiosity.) Any ideas or suggestion would be much appreciated. regards Franki Offhand I see no problems...tho you'll need to use Partition Magic. You wanna game? Try quake3 or Enemy Territory. That little laptop IIRC is well supported on linux. Have fun Femme Just got a new Dell 1100 last week. Love it. I did off the 1/2 ton of strange Dell and MS software and loaded win2k first. Then I did the 9.1 install, resized the drive there and added a small fat32 partition to buffer exchanges between ntfs and xfs. By far the best laptop experience I've had. BTW the win2k install 8 hrs. 9.1 install 1.5 hrs not counting massive update. The only panic was when win2k didn't recognize the mkd fat32 partition. I closed my eyes, hoped that it wasn't talking about the whole mdk partition(s) and reformatted. It did well and both os's see and use the fat32 fine. My original thought was to resize with Part Magic but I only have an older version. Femme warned me not to use it. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Software patent petition
Jesüs Arocho wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2003 05:43, John Richard Smith wrote: Eric Huff wrote: |h, can't sign it unless I live in EU I guess... | |only C choices were Cyprus and Czech Rep., no Canada... Wouldn't you qualify as North America? Is Canada in northamerica? On another note, it's kinda funny that the site for EU patents uses pics of the statue of liberty... Why not, isn't the original is in Paris. John The statue was designed and made in France as a gift to the US. It was assembled in France for a world fair for exhibition and fund raising purposes. The group involved had many problems funding the project in France as well as in the US. It was not until a New York paper picked up the banner and started publishing a series of articles on the statue that the funds were raised, literally shaming the US into action. The word donation leaves an impression of either used or leftover. Jesüs Arocho, That was very interesting. I did not know that was the case. I did not know it was nearly a non runner. I thoght I read somewhere that it was originally a gift by the French Government, but that obviously was not the case. However I refer to a smaller statue , which I am sure I have seen, that still exists today in Paris, somewhere on the river bank , cannot remember where , though. http://www.photovault.com/Link/Cities/Europe/France/Places/StatueOfLiberty.html http://www.photovault.com/Link/Cities/Europe/France/Places/Paris.html John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Slashdot fix for Dillo browsing
Hello there Dillo (http://www.dillo.org/) fans... As you may have noticed, slashdot.org is impossible to render since about 2 weeks ago with dillo, namely being the fact that /.'s code has gone from bad to M$ standards :-( For those of you wanting to still read /. with Dillo, I have created a php script which downloads it (main page only), and parses it through tidy (htmltidy) and sed's a few things out, namely the cookie / name I use to log in. Yeah, to get tidy to work, the only solution was to use my own cookie ;-) NOTE 1: Only the main page works. URL's on the page are not parsed through this script. NOTE 2: This page will also not read or use your own cookies at all, so your presonal preferences will be ignored NOTE 3: It will not allow any other browsers to use this. ONLY Dillo is allowed to parse this page, as each time a refresh is done, my server downloads a new copy of the index page of slashdot, and I wouldn't want to be spamming their server. If you have another browser which has problems and renders the main page black, let me know, and I'll see if I can include your browser too into it's browser-detection technique NOTE 4: This is a temporary page for until slashdot actually descide to read their bug reports posted on sourceforge, and not mark them as fixed when they actually are anything but fixed. When slashdot fixes itself, this page will be offline shortly afterwards. NOTE 5: This isn't a cache of the main page, it's a direct copy of it, with the big errors taken out. Hope this helps a few of you with /. with your favorite browser ;-) Oh yeah, the URL: http://slashdot.axljab.homelinux.org:8080/ (again, dillo only) Let me know how it works and if you have problems. Greetings Ralph -- http://axljab.homelinux.org:8080/ ...the software said Win95 or better, so I installed Linux pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [newbie] Dell Inspiron 5150 laptop and linux..
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2003 2:55 PM To: Mandrake Newbie Subject: RE: [newbie] Dell Inspiron 5150 laptop and linux.. On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 14:48, Frankie wrote: hmmm, Well I have an external 56k modem sitting here doing nothing, so if the winmodem has issues, I'll just use the external one. Have a pcmcia network card that works in linux as well, (from my last laptop.) well I guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and give it a shot, I will report my findings. Frankie Frankie Frankie...look mate, what are mates for? Send me the laptop, I'll take care of it for ya, mate. After I get it up and running like a champ, I'll send you a report on it. Whaddya reckon? stephen kuhn LOL, And would the laptop come back with the report??? cos if not, its a real expensive report :-) My Last laptop was a 6000 dollar Compaq M700 piece of junk... But it ran linux flawlessly (mandrake 8.2 back then.) Its a whole learning experiance.. I picked the geoforceFX card cos I want to try some linux games.. rgds Franki PS, anyone that has unlimited broadband should download all the linux games mentioned on the list thus far.. if they are counting downloads, it is a good idea to make them seem very popular. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
BUT: kopete will be able to run AFTER 15th of Oct, cause you can sign the eula in kopete.(information from a worker in my company. he read this on www.kde. org/kopete he said it will be version 0.8 of kopete. i didnt found something, i've to trust him ;) Yes but who in their right mind would sign that EULA? Yes a number of my friends have already decided to go over to ICQ. Unfortunately the Jabber GUI for Windows users is not nearly as nice as ICQ under Trillian or I'd get them to use that instead. BTW Anne yes this is for hotmail users as well as the EULA is in regard to your .net passport. -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 ICQ: 92791912 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YIM/AIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 11:49:09 up 1 day, 1:24, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [newbie] Dell Inspiron 5150 laptop and linux..
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 21:01, Frankie wrote: And would the laptop come back with the report??? Nothing was ever mentioned about RETURNING the test equipment. cos if not, its a real expensive report :-) Technology's expensive, mate. (g) stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - Eighty percent of married men cheat in America. The rest cheat in Europe. -- Jackie Mason Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
Yes but who in their right mind would sign that EULA? i didnt found some detailed information bout the eula. in google i only get some trash... what is eula for? wich targets? why? r. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 12:20 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: BUT: kopete will be able to run AFTER 15th of Oct, cause you can sign the eula in kopete.(information from a worker in my company. he read this on www.kde. org/kopete he said it will be version 0.8 of kopete. i didnt found something, i've to trust him ;) Yes but who in their right mind would sign that EULA? 99% of teenagers - oh - wait a mo - you said 'in their right minds' g Yes a number of my friends have already decided to go over to ICQ. Unfortunately the Jabber GUI for Windows users is not nearly as nice as ICQ under Trillian or I'd get them to use that instead. BTW Anne yes this is for hotmail users as well as the EULA is in regard to your .net passport. I wonder how the kopete crew intend to get round that? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:43:35 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/25/1910248.shtml?tid=16 LOL! for a second there, I almost believed it...out of wishful thinking more than gullibility, I might add. Can you imagine a debate between McBain and Torvalds? ROTFLMAO! Vat is dis kawmpewter tingy...my manly finkers are too laaarje to usse itt aannywaay...Maaariiiaa! Dis liittle Finnish maaan iss maaking fuun uff mee! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ You can't push on a string. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Procmail and Fetchmail as system services
On Tuesday 02 September 2003 09:15 pm, HaywireMac wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 07:35:42 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Look - it's dependent on your need and requirement. What I want to do is implement that wunderbar procmail recipe you linked us to, and test it out, eventually I would like to have a mail server up and running so that it: 1. Retrieves the mail from the ISP (fetchmail, precalls mailfilter as 1st line of defense against the viagra, penis enlargement, (definitely not needed ;-)), etc.) 2. Postfix then deposits the mail, I guess, from what others have posted, in appropriate users mailboxes (/var/spoo/mail/[username] 3. Procmail looks at the mail using said recipe and acts as second line of defense against .pif attachments, Nigerian free money scams etc. 4. IMAP package allows clients on LAN to retrieve mail from mailserver using POP. I gave up on this before, but I really think I can do it this time! But I want this to be a *system* service type deal, because I want to learn it as a sysadmin would see it, rather than as an end user, see? This doesn't sound too hard. 1. Run Fetchmail as root and pass the mail off through procmail on the way to Postfix. Procmail runs a /etc/procmailrc recipe as a root service and calls the nkvir recipe through an include file from that recipe. You can also add in Spamassassin and any other filters in this recipe. 2. Then the mail goes to Postfix who delivers to local mail box file, /var/spool/mail/user based on aliases or the rewrite done by fetchmail in the .fetchmailrc file ([EMAIL PROTECTED] is jblow here). 3. From the local user directory, create a .forward file that calls procmail and applies a local user.procmailrc recipe to do local filtering, although I imagine this is supposed to catch stuff that is different from the first set of recipes, I am imagining a conservative set of filters for global filtering and a more aggressive set here. So, you could also call spamassassin a second time here and apply user_prefs that would apply a customized set of filters for user mail. Procmail, called from the .forward file would then put the mail into $maildir/user, should be /home/user/Mail/etc. 4. Run an IMAP daemon that allows a user to connect with IMAP and they will pull read and write their mail directly to the maildir directories, no need to use POP which would remove the mail from the server to a local directory, with IMAP, mail stays on the server and the user just accesses through the client direct to the server and their maildir directories. This is way more complex than what I currently do but I think that this is the way that it would work. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Procmail and Fetchmail as system services
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:43:03 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Why not /dev/null? Have you actually read through the entire RC file yet? bows head in em-bare-ass-ment The idea would be to collect the crap, inspect the crap, then delete the crap... I generally don't want to inspect crap, but I see your point. Just like having Exchange and using a public message box/forum - do you want your wife to CC you on email funnies, or you to CC her on them? Why not dump them into a public folder that everyone in the house can access so that you're not necessarily CC'ing everyone that you live with - helps to cut down unnecessary email traffic, ya reckon? I've got public folders that I copy stuff to for legal purposes - so the wife and look at them or refer back to them for accounting/business reasons... Like I say, this is more of a learning thing than a practical thing... Like you say below, baby steps? Well, I'll take that as encouragement and get started in the AM. It's so easy even YOU can do it. Uh, er, thanks... G But I want to know *how* I would do it in a large scale ops... apparently this Linux thing could become attractive in certain business sectors, or so I've read in the tabloids, so I would like to be able to say, hey, I know how to do that... Baby steps, Bob. I gotcha. Maybe, tho, I've got two things confused, using a *global* fetchmail, postfix, and procmail config, and running the lot as a system service. I*do* want it to run at boot, and not just as a regular user. If you setup proper cron jobs, they run at boot - and why even bother to reboot a unix/linux box anyways? True, true. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes a-begging. -- Martin Luther Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
Does this mean he is going to bring all government services under the GPL and ban Microsoft, Microsoft products and any of its employees from the state of California unless they sign a EULA agreeing to give up everything including their basic human rights and turn over all their material possessions and earnings to IBM? I do hope so! -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 ICQ: 92791912 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YIM/AIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 12:45:58 up 1 day, 2:21, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.03, 0.01 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
i didnt found some detailed information bout the eula. in google i only get some trash... what is eula for? wich targets? why? Microsoft may wish to update or change the terms, conditions, and notices for the .NET Passport Services from time to time to reflect changes in the Services, changes in the laws affecting the Services, or for other good reasons. Continued access to or use of the .NET Passport Services after any such change shall constitute your consent to such change. You must enter into a different legal agreement with Microsoft if you wish to offer the .NET Passport Services to users of your own application, Web site, or Web service. MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, TIMELINESS, AND ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED ON OR OBTAINED THROUGH THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES FOR ANY PURPOSE. ALL SUCH INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS ARE PROVIDED AS IS WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND. MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, TITLE, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, PUNITIVE, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, WITH THE DELAY OR INABILITY TO USE THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, THE PROVISION OF OR FAILURE TO PROVIDE SERVICES, OR FOR ANY INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, OR SERVICES OBTAINED THROUGH THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, WHETHER BASED ON CONTRACT, TORT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY, OR OTHERWISE, EVEN IF MICROSOFT OR ANY OF ITS SUPPLIERS HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF DAMAGES. IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY PORTION OF THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, OR WITH ANY OF THESE TERMS OF USE, YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY IS TO DISCONTINUE USING THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES. Microsoft reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to terminate your access to the .NET Passport Services or any portion thereof at any time, without notice. Microsoft may also terminate or suspend your access to the .NET Passport Services for inactivity, which is defined as failing to sign in to the Services for an extended period of time, as determined by Microsoft. Upon termination of your .NET Passport account, your right to use the .NET Passport Services immediately ceases. Microsoft may assign these Terms of Use, in whole or in part, at any time. Microsoft's performance of this agreement is subject to existing laws and legal process, and nothing contained in these Terms of Use is in derogation of Microsoft's right to comply with governmental, court, and law enforcement requests or requirements relating to your use of the .NET Passport Services or information provided to or gathered by Microsoft with respect to such use. You agree to indemnify and hold Microsoft, its parents, subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, and employees, harmless from any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys' fees, asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct on the .NET Passport Services. Remind me again...why do people use this crud? -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 ICQ: 92791912 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YIM/AIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 12:49:44 up 1 day, 2:25, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [newbie] Americas' Army extraction problem
Yeah I'm running the download version of 9.1. Neither Enemy Territory or America's Army gave me problems... Any ideas what the prob could be? Would a rebuild of MDK be feasible? BTW, have you also checked your disk space - especially in /tmp? -Original Message- From: Ronald J. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Americas' Army extraction problem On Tuesday 02 September 2003 09:34 am, Tango Echo wrote: Well finally got around to trying it out. Download, extract, install and boot camp all went very smooth on my 9.1 box. Seems to be quite a fun game too! Don't think the drill sgt liked all those holes I put in his field during jump training tho ;) grin My 12 yr old had that same problem! Anyways, just out of curiosity - are you running the boxed set or the download version of v9.1? I've got the d/l version here - and I had the same problem with Enemy Territory. I'm assuming its something I've done somewhere - but I can run other stuff - just those 2 so far. Thanks! -- /\ DarkLord \/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Procmail and Fetchmail as system services
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:49:39 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: This doesn't sound too hard. To a software test engineer maybe... g 1. Run Fetchmail as root So, if I were to follow Stephen's advice and use cron instead of inetd, I could just su root and crontab -e to create an entry then? And fetchmail would call Procmail, and then Postfix would automagically be waiting when Procmail was done it's business? And the hip bone's connected to the... ;-) and pass the mail off through procmail on the way to Postfix. Procmail runs a /etc/procmailrc recipe as a root service and calls the nkvir recipe through an include file from that recipe. You can also add in Spamassassin and any other filters in this recipe. Ok, so I had it backwards, it's Procmail *b4* Postfix then... 2. Then the mail goes to Postfix who delivers to local mail box file, /var/spool/mail/user based on aliases or the rewrite done by fetchmail in the .fetchmailrc file ([EMAIL PROTECTED] is jblow here). Ya, since I'm already with configuring that on fetchmail I would probably start there, and learn aliases after. 3. From the local user directory, create a .forward file that calls procmail and applies a local user.procmailrc recipe to do local filtering, although I imagine this is supposed to catch stuff that is different from the first set of recipes, I am imagining a conservative set of filters for global filtering and a more aggressive set here. I am looking at sticking to a strictly global config, assuming that I will allow for a minimal amount of spam to reach the end user. The main thing is to catch *all* attachments that end in .pif, etc. The occasional bit of annoying spam is OK. So, you could also call spamassassin a second time here and apply user_prefs that would apply a customized set of filters for user mail. Procmail, called from the .forward file would then put the mail into $maildir/user, should be /home/user/Mail/etc. 4. Run an IMAP daemon that allows a user to connect with IMAP and they will pull read and write their mail directly to the maildir directories, no need to use POP which would remove the mail from the server to a local directory, with IMAP, mail stays on the server and the user just accesses through the client direct to the server and their maildir directories. Ok, so you and Stephen seem to be in agreement there. With IMAP, tho, is it still /var/spool/mail/*? This is way more complex than what I currently do but I think that this is the way that it would work. Ya, like I say, it's mainly a learning exercise. I'll take it slow, I have a test mail account I can use, and a seperate server box, so if I bork it I can just start over, no harm done. Nice to have that luxury, wot? Thanks very much! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it. -- Oscar Wilde, The Portrait of Mr. W.H. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:47:03 +0100 Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Does this mean he is going to bring all government services under the GPL and ban Microsoft, Microsoft products and any of its employees from the state of California unless they sign a EULA agreeing to give up everything including their basic human rights and turn over all their material possessions and earnings to IBM? I do hope so! Actually, there is a quote I saw from Linus once, when someone asked him about people who said Linux was ugly. He replied that they will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes... I just about fell off my chair. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Sometimes even to live is an act of courage. -- Seneca Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:48:45 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Fsck them anyways. and don't forget the horse they rode in on... -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ If a man has a strong faith he can indulge in the luxury of skepticism. -- Friedrich Nietzsche Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Printing....
halo everybody, 1. How can I pause or cancel printing in Mandrake? There is nothing in Print Manager. I usually turn my printer off, but I can not re print again. I must restart my machine to start print again. 2. Sometime when I print multiple pages, the first page is not printed. It jumps to the second page. So I must manually printe the first page. Can anybody solved my problems? Please explain in simple English, I do not speak it natively. PS: I use Mandrake 9.1, Printer Canon BJC2100SP and KDE for GUI. -- Makacih, Budhi mbUdh Astiyadi Pesanggrahan deket REL Bintaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] More email protection! NKVIR-RC
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:48:37 -0700 Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Cool! These will make great additions to the twiki. :) Sure, *if* I ever do figure them out... ;-) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Living in the complex world of the future is somewhat like having bees live in your head. But, there they are. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] enemy territory
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:34:24 +0200 Björn Olsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Or have I missed something? Is it possible to play against the computer? I don't think anyone has come up with bots *that* intelligent yet. But give 'em time... -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ No matter where I go, the place is always called here. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] MDK Gaming Mailing List?
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:15:45 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Well, I have mailman, permanent connection and static IP/domain name.. I can run the gamming list if you like.. To be honest with you, that might be a good idea. I still am not even sure I could get it to work with my setup, I may be switching ISP's soon, and I want to focus on Procmail and Apache right now. However, please please please let me know if there's anything I can do to help out, and keep me posted on how you set it up so that I can keep that for future reference. Thanks! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ One learns to itch where one can scratch. -- Ernest Bramah Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
Actually, there is a quote I saw from Linus once, when someone asked him about people who said Linux was ugly. He replied that they will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes... I just about fell off my chair. *SMILE* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
Can you imagine a debate between McBain and Torvalds? ROTFLMAO! Vat is dis kawmpewter tingy...my manly finkers are too laaarje to usse itt aannywaay...Maaariiiaa! Dis liittle Finnish maaan iss maaking fuun uff mee! who's mcbain? he's unknown here in switzerland ;) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: A Galaxy of Possibility Part 1: Mandrake 9.1 ProSuite
Everybody should visit this page to vote for your favorite distro! Miark On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:23:11 +1000, Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We KNOW Mandrake is kick-arse, but here's some great PR ;) http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=262 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:28:33 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: who's mcbain? he's unknown here in switzerland ;) Sorry, it's a reference to the Simpson's parody of Arnold Swarzenegger, who *is* running for governor of Kalifornia (Uber Alles!), no joke. Makes me think of that Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Goodbye, cool world. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
Sorry, it's a reference to the Simpson's parody of Arnold Swarzenegger, who *is* running for governor of Kalifornia (Uber Alles!), no joke. Makes me think of that Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times. mkeh ;) i'm more interested in southpark :p yeah the noldie(chwarzenegger) rules!! :D (Sprichste Deutsch, da über alles steht? ;) Und Kalifornien schreibt man im English mit c :p) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
Microsoft may wish to update or change the terms, conditions, and notices for the .NET Passport Services from time to time to reflect changes in the Services, changes in the laws affecting the Services, or for other good reasons. [...] You agree to indemnify and hold Microsoft, its parents, subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, and employees, harmless from any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys' fees, asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct on the .NET Passport Services. Remind me again...why do people use this crud? same thing i asked me after i read this... msn is very exiting. icq has much more features, but i dont need them. msn is easier to use and it has a nice looking. but if this terms will be released, i release my ass back to icq :) i'll forward your message to my friends, so they can read bout it... thank you! r. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Procmail and Fetchmail as system services
On Wednesday 03 September 2003 08:06 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:49:39 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: This doesn't sound too hard. To a software test engineer maybe... g Hey, those who can't do, test. ;-} My personal skillset consists, modestly, of being able to figure out where other people's elegant solutions are likely to fail. I don't mind the work and I am pretty good at it, but being able to figure out how to break other people's creations is not a skill that one should get too arrogant about. 1. Run Fetchmail as root So, if I were to follow Stephen's advice and use cron instead of inetd, I could just su root and crontab -e to create an entry then? Or use Webmin, if you prefer the easy way to do things. And fetchmail would call Procmail, and then Postfix would automagically be waiting when Procmail was done it's business? And the hip bone's connected to the... ;-) IIRC, Fetchmail can pass mail through Procmail like a filter, after passing through, Procmail adds whatever is called for by the recipes and then Fetchmail delivers mail back to the local MTA, Postfix or Sendmail or whichever MTA you are running. Also, Fetchmail can pass mail to Procmail which can act as an MDA and puts mail directly into the maildir folders, if that is the way that it is configured. and pass the mail off through procmail on the way to Postfix. Procmail runs a /etc/procmailrc recipe as a root service and calls the nkvir recipe through an include file from that recipe. You can also add in Spamassassin and any other filters in this recipe. Ok, so I had it backwards, it's Procmail *b4* Postfix then... Fetchmail to Procmail to Postfix to var/spool/mail to .forward file back to Procmail again and into maildir in the /home/user/mail directory. I think. 2. Then the mail goes to Postfix who delivers to local mail box file, /var/spool/mail/user based on aliases or the rewrite done by fetchmail in the .fetchmailrc file ([EMAIL PROTECTED] is jblow here). Ya, since I'm already with configuring that on fetchmail I would probably start there, and learn aliases after. I have more than one POP email address. Aliases are useful when you want mail from particular accounts to pass to specific user accounts. So, mail from one POP might go to postmaster which is aliased to a specific user account but gets filtered into a specific folder based on the To info. 3. From the local user directory, create a .forward file that calls procmail and applies a local user.procmailrc recipe to do local filtering, although I imagine this is supposed to catch stuff that is different from the first set of recipes, I am imagining a conservative set of filters for global filtering and a more aggressive set here. I am looking at sticking to a strictly global config, assuming that I will allow for a minimal amount of spam to reach the end user. The main thing is to catch *all* attachments that end in .pif, etc. The occasional bit of annoying spam is OK. Then why worry about the second call to Procmail at all. Simply pass mail from Fetchmail through Procmail with all filtering or even pass mail from Fetchmail directly to Postfix which passes mail through Procmail on the way to the /var/spool/mail file. My own setup passes mail from Fetchmail to Postfix, through Procmail and then on to /var/spool/mail. Mail that is flagged as virus, or spam by spamassassin is tagged by Procmail and then moved directly to /var/spool/mail/spam mailbox where I check it once per week before allowing a cron job to delete it. You could just as readily flag based on levels, pass viruses and definite-spam directly to /dev/null and then put possible-spam in a spam mailbox where you can check it periodically for false positives prior to deleting it. I find that a spamassassin level of 10 has no false positives and anything above a 4 is a possible with very few false positives. So above 10 gets sent to spam, above 4 is flagged for further checking prior to deletion. Nkvir gets called first before spamassassin so viruses and nigerian stuff doesn't even make it to spamassassin. Ok, so you and Stephen seem to be in agreement there. With IMAP, tho, is it still /var/spool/mail/*? Actually, I think that the way that IMAP works, mail goes directly to $maildir which would be /home/user/Mail/etc where users look directly at the mail in the directory. New mail goes to inbox in the maildir directory. With IMAP, I think that you bypass the /var/spool/mail which is an mbox type of file. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:00:17 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: (Sprichste Deutsch, da über alles steht? ;) Nein, eine kleine joke...a song by the Dead Kennedy's, Kalifornia Uber Alles. Und Kalifornien schreibt man im English mit c :p) Ja, ja, ich heise... ;-) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ All men know the utility of useful things; but they do not know the utility of futility. -- Chuang-tzu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 04:51, Angus Auld wrote: Hi folks, I'm using gaim v0.66 w/msn plugin. It seems to be working OK, except for the past couple days I've been getting this message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (13:43:47) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are running a version of messenger that requires an immediate security update. Please visit http://messenger.msn.com/Help/Upgrades.aspx to complete the update. Obviously I can't get the update from MS. :-| The message comes up each time I login. Maybe I won't be logging in for much longer? Anyone else get this message? Yep, get that using kopete and also with the MSN Messenger plugin for MozillaFirebird. I get the feeing that M$ will be blocking access to OSS clients in the near future. Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dell Inspiron 5150 laptop and linux..
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2003 7:18 PM To: Mandrake Newbie Subject: RE: [newbie] Dell Inspiron 5150 laptop and linux.. On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 21:01, Frankie wrote: And would the laptop come back with the report??? Nothing was ever mentioned about RETURNING the test equipment. cos if not, its a real expensive report :-) Technology's expensive, mate. (g) stephen kuhn In that case mate, I'll just give it a go myself.. :-) I've been able to get mandrake running on some really odd PC's mostly old IBM machines with odd bio's and vid cards, so I dont imagine a P4 laptop with nvidia graphics will be too hard. regards Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: Re[2]: [newbie] MDK Gaming Mailing List?
you can be an admin if you like Haywire... stop the spammers and stuff. Just one thing, no political discussions or 6000yo earth discussions.. :-) I'll start setting up the list tonight. What do you want to call it??? mandrake-games rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of HaywireMac Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2003 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [newbie] MDK Gaming Mailing List? On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:15:45 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Well, I have mailman, permanent connection and static IP/domain name.. I can run the gamming list if you like.. To be honest with you, that might be a good idea. I still am not even sure I could get it to work with my setup, I may be switching ISP's soon, and I want to focus on Procmail and Apache right now. However, please please please let me know if there's anything I can do to help out, and keep me posted on how you set it up so that I can keep that for future reference. Thanks! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ One learns to itch where one can scratch. -- Ernest Bramah Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] DrakConnect forgetfull --SOLVED
Title: RE: [newbie] DrakConnect forgetfull --SOLVED That fixed it! I had to replace via-rhine with 3c59x in /etc/modules.conf Thanks for the pointer Derek. --Matthew -Original Message- From: Derek Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] DrakConnect forgetfull On Monday 25 Aug 2003 9:14 pm, Sabin, Matthew wrote: -Original Message- From: Derek Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] DrakConnect forgetfull On Monday 25 Aug 2003 2:43 pm, Sabin, Matthew wrote: So I'm happily surfing away and my 'net conenction slows to a crawl. Then is stops entirely. snip DrakConnect never seems to save my changes. Which RAEDME or fine-manual should I be looking in to find out which settings DrakConnect is changing and not saving? Or more to the point which files I could edit myself and get this overwith? --Matthew Sounds like Bug 1881 I have reported it every release since 8.1 After going through the DrakConnect Wizard. Exit the wizard with 'Finish'. then exit DrakConnect with 'Cancel'. It should be OK then. If this helps you go to http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1881 and vote to have it fixed. derek Thanks for the tip Derek, but no-joy. The system still doesn't remember the new card (or the old one) after a power cycle. I'm looking for quieter fans/better heat dissipation, but would also like the machine to remember it's settings. Which files (or which fnie manual) should I bee looking in? --Matthew The config file is /etc/sysconfig/netwprk-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 You can edit it directly. Or your trouble may be the statement in /etc/modules.conf loading the wrong driver. You need a line saying alias eth0 module_name derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net
[newbie] KDE 3.1.3 not remembering Kicker applets
Each time I set my applets in the Kicker panes (KSysGuard, KWeather, etc.) then log out and log back in, the spaces where they were on the panel are there, but the applets don't load. KWeather even remembers my weather station when I add it back again, but doesn't load by default each time I log back in. Is this a known issue or is there some setting I need to change? Running Mandrake 9.1 with KDE 3.1.3 from Texstar. Thanks, Trey Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] MDK Gaming Mailing List?
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:18:13 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: you can be an admin if you like Haywire... stop the spammers and stuff. Kewwwlll... Just one thing, no political discussions or 6000yo earth discussions.. :-) Are you kidding me? I avoid those like the plague these days, and there should be no probs with gun-control debates when some of us are playing Urban Terror... ;-) I'll start setting up the list tonight. What do you want to call it??? mandrake-games I *was* going to call it MandrakeGamer, but why don't we see what some others think...? -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ The truth you speak has no past and no future. It is, and that's all it needs to be. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
achso... ja du dann muss ich wohl noch viel lernen damit ich das alle sbegreiffe :p bin eben ein junger schnaufer*g* Quoting HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:00:17 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: (Sprichste Deutsch, da über alles steht? ;) Nein, eine kleine joke...a song by the Dead Kennedy's, Kalifornia Uber Alles. Und Kalifornien schreibt man im English mit c :p) Ja, ja, ich heise... ;-) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ All men know the utility of useful things; but they do not know the utility of futility. -- Chuang-tzu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:15:03AM +1200, Sharrea Day wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 04:51, Angus Auld wrote: Hi folks, I'm using gaim v0.66 w/msn plugin. It seems to be working OK, except for the past couple days I've been getting this message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (13:43:47) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are running a version of messenger that requires an immediate security update. Please visit http://messenger.msn.com/Help/Upgrades.aspx to complete the update. Obviously I can't get the update from MS. :-| The message comes up each time I login. Maybe I won't be logging in for much longer? Anyone else get this message? Yep, get that using kopete and also with the MSN Messenger plugin for MozillaFirebird. I get the feeing that M$ will be blocking access to OSS clients in the near future. I'm using psi jabber client with a server that has a gateway to msn and I haven't had this message pop up yet. t Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SMC Gigabit NIC
Mandrake Control Center usually does it automatically, hardrake will find it when you boot the first time with the NIC. On Tuesday 02 September 2003 07:51 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently working on installing Mandrake 9.1 and need a step by step setup instruction for installing my SMC Gigabit NIC it's a 9452TX, any help will be appreciated. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE 3.1.3 not remembering Kicker applets
Oh! And I thought it was only me. I have to re-run kcpuload and knetload (the most important applets in existence!) everytime I login. I'd like an answer to this aswell. Miark On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:24:55 -0400, Trey Sizemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each time I set my applets in the Kicker panes (KSysGuard, KWeather, etc.) then log out and log back in, the spaces where they were on the panel are there, but the applets don't load. KWeather even remembers my weather station when I add it back again, but doesn't load by default each time I log back in. Is this a known issue or is there some setting I need to change? Running Mandrake 9.1 with KDE 3.1.3 from Texstar. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:50:08 +0100, Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Translation: MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, TIMELINESS, AND ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED ON OR OBTAINED THROUGH THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES FOR ANY PURPOSE. We don't claim it's good for anything. ALL SUCH INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS ARE PROVIDED AS IS WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND. Our software is what it is. Take it or leave it. MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, TITLE, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. We promise nothing. IN NO EVENT SHALL MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, PUNITIVE, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, WITH THE DELAY OR INABILITY TO USE THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, THE PROVISION OF OR FAILURE TO PROVIDE SERVICES, OR FOR ANY INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, OR SERVICES OBTAINED THROUGH THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, WHETHER BASED ON CONTRACT, TORT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY, OR OTHERWISE, EVEN IF MICROSOFT OR ANY OF ITS SUPPLIERS HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF DAMAGES. If something does happens, we are not accountable. IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY PORTION OF THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, OR WITH ANY OF THESE TERMS OF USE, YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY IS TO DISCONTINUE USING THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES. You don't like it, don't use it. Microsoft reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to terminate your access to the .NET Passport Services or any portion thereof at any time, without notice. If we don't like you, we won't use you. Microsoft may also terminate or suspend your access to the .NET Passport Services for inactivity, which is defined as failing to sign in to the Services for an extended period of time, as determined by Microsoft. Upon termination of your .NET Passport account, your right to use the .NET Passport Services immediately ceases. If you don't use it, you lose it. Just because. Microsoft may assign these Terms of Use, in whole or in part, at any time. We've warned you ahead of time that we're bastards. Don't be surprised when we smite you. Microsoft's performance of this agreement is subject to existing laws and legal process, We're as slimy as we're legally allowed to be. and nothing contained in these Terms of Use is in derogation of Microsoft's right to comply with governmental, court, and law enforcement requests or requirements relating to your use of the .NET Passport Services or information provided to or gathered by Microsoft with respect to such use. Of course, we're subject to subpoenas. You agree to indemnify and hold Microsoft, its parents, subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, and employees, harmless from any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys' fees, asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct on the .NET Passport Services. Again, we remind you that we are accountable for nothing. (But don't forget, folks, they want to _earn_ your trust!) Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
Translation: MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, TIMELINESS, AND ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED ON OR OBTAINED THROUGH THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES FOR ANY PURPOSE. We don't claim it's good for anything. [] You agree to indemnify and hold Microsoft, its parents, subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, and employees, harmless from any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys' fees, asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct on the .NET Passport Services. Again, we remind you that we are accountable for nothing. (But don't forget, folks, they want to _earn_ your trust!) *smile* very nice translation. why doesnt MS write their terms with these words? :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK Gaming Mailing List?
HaywireMac wrote: I *was* going to call it MandrakeGamer, but why don't we see what some others think...? does it have to limit itself to mandrake users? Why not something more general ? Even we mandrake-ers sometimes install games that are not in a mandrake rpms :P ... and having it include mandrake in the name might make people think it's just about 1-3 games produced by mandrake itself ... we could however show who's the people with the multimedia obsession ... the mandrake nation!!! ... for some reason GCC (game control center) ... derived from MCC keeps coming to mind .. but I know it's not a good name :) ... maybe more like LinuxGamers, LinGames, GamerzRus, GamerPenguin, LinuxMultimedia (I'd be interested not only in games .. but in 3d modelling, 2d artwork processing, music making, movie effects sometime ..), MdkGmz (ok, so it does include mandrake), Mandragamez, Mdgamez, anyway .. so I don't miss the topic ... please have a new clear topic stating when the mailing list is done so I'll know to subscribe ... or even add me .. I give ye my permission :P Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 12:20 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: BUT: kopete will be able to run AFTER 15th of Oct, cause you can sign the eula in kopete.(information from a worker in my company. he read this on www.kde. org/kopete he said it will be version 0.8 of kopete. i didnt found something, i've to trust him ;) Yes but who in their right mind would sign that EULA? 99% of teenagers - oh - wait a mo - you said 'in their right minds' g Yes a number of my friends have already decided to go over to ICQ. Unfortunately the Jabber GUI for Windows users is not nearly as nice as ICQ under Trillian or I'd get them to use that instead. BTW Anne yes this is for hotmail users as well as the EULA is in regard to your .net passport. I wonder how the kopete crew intend to get round that? Anne It's funny. In the Tampa, Florida area you cannot connect to any Microsoft run web sites or services right now. I haven't been able to use the MSN Messenger service for an entire day. Bright House Networks doesn't have them in their DNS at all. It's as if they just disappeared from the Internet. They're working to restore [dis]-service to the area. I had wondered if MS was sufferring a DOS attacks or something, but having seen no news about it I wondered what was going on. I was sad when I was able to connect to them via a co-located server I have access to, but right now it's an MS free Internet here in Tampa. :-) It would be great if I didn't have clients on MSN Messenger. :-( Oh well... -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 10:15:00 up 9:09, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.08, 0.08 ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] somebody disliking mandrake
I (of course?) am quite excited about Mandrake ... told somebody about it .. and that person gave me this stuff ... I was wondering what people think about it: (from here on it's not my stuff anymore) - I like Mandrake a lot. We're currently running 9.0 and 9.1 on a few of our machines, but we're slowly moving over to Debian based distros. I'll give you a quick run down of why. 1. We're sick of RPM. We've hard RPM break on a few machines already (I think the RPM database becomes corrupted if I remember correctly). Needless to say, it's hard to upgrade your machine when your package manager goes kaput. APT/debs are SO much easier to deal with anyway. 2. Too much crap! Literally, Mandrake has TOO MUCH crap these days. I know Debian is hardly innocent, but the dependency train for whatever reason seems to be much more palatable when using Debian as opposed to Mandrake. Maybe it's all the package/package-dev combo packs that the Mandrake/RedHat people like, I'm not entirely sure. It's just too much honestly. Let me install mySQL and be done with it. 3. The big reason (for me personally), the Mandrake security model is totally whack. Once upon a time, Mandrake used to just run a nightly script which would email an audit of your system to the Administrator letting you know what was wrong. That's all it did, and that was nice. Now there's a set of different (horribly documented) security models that have all sorts of (horribly documented) behavior. I don't mind the security model idea, what I do mind is my system doing things for me (such as changing file permissions) without being explicitly told when and why this is going to happen. This has caused major problems for us on a few occasions and it's simply unacceptable. Maybe we haven't looked in the right place for the documentation, but I've tried to find it in the past with little success. I should have to go reading scripts to find this out. What I've found is that with Debian I have a much better idea what's going on inside our systems. There are no surprises, things so far just straight up work the way we expect them to. We're competent programmers and system administrators, so this is great for us. If I were a newbie, I would definitely still recommend Mandrake. Whatever the security scripts are doing, it IS making the system more secure, but sometimes you don't want that. If I wanted Mandrake to do one thing (short of switching to .debs) to get me back on the Mandrake train: Please explain in absolutely explicit detail the difference between your security modes. You *HAVE* to do this during the install process as well. If I'm rebuilding my firewall, for instance, I don't have the option to go out to the internet to find out what these things mean. This is a very important critical decision that should not be taken lightly. The only way we can properly make that decision is if the knowlege is made available to us when we need it most. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Procmail and Fetchmail as system services
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:01:05 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: On Wednesday 03 September 2003 08:06 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:49:39 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: 1. Run Fetchmail as root So, if I were to follow Stephen's advice and use cron instead of inetd, I could just su root and crontab -e to create an entry then? Or use Webmin, if you prefer the easy way to do things. Yes, Webmin is a kickass tool, and cron entries still confuse the hell out of me. This way I could configure cron thru Webmin, then see what it spits out to get a better understanding... And fetchmail would call Procmail, and then Postfix would automagically be waiting when Procmail was done it's business? And the hip bone's connected to the... ;-) IIRC, Fetchmail can pass mail through Procmail like a filter, like so:? postconnect procmail? after passing through, Procmail adds whatever is called for by the recipes and then Fetchmail delivers mail back to the local MTA, Postfix or Sendmail or whichever MTA you are running. Also, Fetchmail can pass mail to Procmail which can act as an MDA and puts mail directly into the maildir folders, if that is the way that it is configured. Not to muddy the waters, but just out of curiosity, I could bypass Postfix completely? and pass the mail off through procmail on the way to Postfix. Procmail runs a /etc/procmailrc recipe as a root service and calls the nkvir recipe through an include file from that recipe. You can also add in Spamassassin and any other filters in this recipe. Ok, so I had it backwards, it's Procmail *b4* Postfix then... Fetchmail to Procmail to Postfix to var/spool/mail to .forward file I read in one quickstart guide that a .forward file is unnecessary if using fetchmail...is that correct? back to Procmail again and into maildir in the /home/user/mail directory. I think. 2. Then the mail goes to Postfix who delivers to local mail box file, /var/spool/mail/user based on aliases or the rewrite done by fetchmail in the .fetchmailrc file ([EMAIL PROTECTED] is jblow here). Ya, since I'm already with configuring that on fetchmail I would probably start there, and learn aliases after. I have more than one POP email address. Me too. I'm infamous for it, ;-) Aliases are useful when you want mail from particular accounts to pass to specific user accounts. So, mail from one POP might go to postmaster which is aliased to a specific user account but gets filtered into a specific folder based on the To info. But again, that can be done in the fetchmailrc, right? I might stick with that for now, just to keep it as simple as possible. I am looking at sticking to a strictly global config, assuming that I will allow for a minimal amount of spam to reach the end user. The main thing is to catch *all* attachments that end in .pif, etc. The occasional bit of annoying spam is OK. Then why worry about the second call to Procmail at all. Exactly, I use Mailfilter to delete *definite* no-no's right off the POP server, then Fetchmail -- Postfix -- Procmail will take care of the rest... Simply pass mail from Fetchmail through Procmail with all filtering or even pass mail from Fetchmail directly to Postfix which passes mail through Procmail on the way to the /var/spool/mail file. My own setup passes mail from Fetchmail to Postfix, through Procmail and then on to /var/spool/mail. I find that a spamassassin level of 10 has no false positives and anything above a 4 is a possible with very few false positives. So above 10 gets sent to spam, above 4 is flagged for further checking prior to deletion. Nkvir gets called first before spamassassin so viruses and nigerian stuff doesn't even make it to spamassassin. I'll add the Spamassassin option in later to *really* kick some spam butt! This is where I am still confused, though. In the procmailrc, I am under the impression that one must specify the maildir like so: MAILDIR=/var/spool/mail/joehill but of course, if I am dealing with mail for more than one user, do I just specify /var/spool/mail and Procmail will know which spool to dump it in, or is this where aliases come in? Thanks so much for your time and explanations, I *am* reading the docs at the same time, but as I always say, it is one thing to RTFM, it is another to UTFM! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ It is so stupid of modern civilisation to have given up believing in the devil when he is the only explanation of it. -- Ronald Knox, Let Dons Delight Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] somebody disliking mandrake
urpmi works just as well as apt for package management. To configure it, go to
http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php and follow the steps.
Mandrake's automated security system is called msec. If you don't like it you
can turn it off. More info at http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:31:54 +0300, Anarky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I (of course?) am quite excited about Mandrake ... told somebody
about it .. and that person gave me this stuff ... I was wondering what
people think about it:
(from here on it's not my stuff anymore)
-
I like Mandrake a lot. We're currently running 9.0 and 9.1 on a few of
our machines, but we're slowly moving over to Debian based distros. I'll
give you a quick run down of why.
1. We're sick of RPM. We've hard RPM break on a few machines already (I
think the RPM database becomes corrupted if I remember correctly).
Needless to say, it's hard to upgrade your machine when your package
manager goes kaput. APT/debs are SO much easier to deal with anyway.
2. Too much crap! Literally, Mandrake has TOO MUCH crap these days. I
know Debian is hardly innocent, but the dependency train for whatever
reason seems to be much more palatable when using Debian as opposed to
Mandrake. Maybe it's all the package/package-dev combo packs that the
Mandrake/RedHat people like, I'm not entirely sure. It's just too much
honestly. Let me install mySQL and be done with it.
3. The big reason (for me personally), the Mandrake security model is
totally whack. Once upon a time, Mandrake used to just run a nightly
script which would email an audit of your system to the Administrator
letting you know what was wrong. That's all it did, and that was nice.
Now there's a set of different (horribly documented) security models
that have all sorts of (horribly documented) behavior. I don't mind the
security model idea, what I do mind is my system doing things for me
(such as changing file permissions) without being explicitly told when
and why this is going to happen. This has caused major problems for us
on a few occasions and it's simply unacceptable. Maybe we haven't looked
in the right place for the documentation, but I've tried to find it in
the past with little success. I should have to go reading scripts to
find this out.
What I've found is that with Debian I have a much better idea what's
going on inside our systems. There are no surprises, things so far just
straight up work the way we expect them to. We're competent programmers
and system administrators, so this is great for us. If I were a newbie,
I would definitely still recommend Mandrake. Whatever the security
scripts are doing, it IS making the system more secure, but sometimes
you don't want that.
If I wanted Mandrake to do one thing (short of switching to
.debs) to get me back on the Mandrake train: Please explain in
absolutely explicit detail the difference between your security modes.
You *HAVE* to do this during the install process as well. If I'm
rebuilding my firewall, for instance, I don't have the option to go out
to the internet to find out what these things mean. This is a very
important critical decision that should not be taken lightly. The only
way we can properly make that decision is if the knowlege is made
available to us when we need it most.
--
Sridhar Dhanapalan [Yama | http://www.pclinuxonline.com/]
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Re: [newbie] somebody disliking mandrake
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:31:54 +0300 Anarky [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I (of course?) am quite excited about Mandrake ... told somebody about it .. and that person gave me this stuff ... I was wondering what people think about it: I once made the same bitchy comments about Mandrake and dependencies. The reply I got was: A poor craftsman blames his tools. and you know what? He was right. urpmi has worked flawlessly for me for a couple 'o years now, no shit. So if he's havin' probs, I can only put it down to 2 things: 1. User error 2. An accident/glitch Neither of which is a valid slight against Mandrake. Is the RPM model getting dated? Sure. But it works, and it works well for the average user. What most people forget is that the *whole fscking reason* there are different distro's is that different people have different needs. Those doing heavy development might want Debian or Gentoo to get around the GLibC barrier, but that can be done on Mandrake too, maybe not as easily, I don't know. Tom would prolly say no problemo. This debate has been raging on and off for years, Debian is falling behind IMHO, due to Gentoo, so they're getting a bit uppity, but it's nothing to spend any serious mental effort on. Whatever works for you, great. The best thing I can say about Debian is their *absolute* commitment to Free Software, whereas Mandrake obviously is following a more mixed path in that respect. I have to say though, I see Debian people *all the time* on various mailing lists complaining of build issues. I very rarely see that from Mandrake users, and when I do, the sol'n is simple: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Chance is perhaps the work of God when He did not want to sign. -- Anatole France Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] No sound in Games after running mplayer
After runnin mplayer, I get no sound in my games. I do lsof +D /dev/sound, and get: wmsmixer 1644 joehill4r CHR 14,0 1468 /dev/sound/mixer xscreensa 2441 joehill 13w CHR 14,3 1469 /dev/sound/dsp so, I kill those and restart the sound service, but still there is no sound in any of the games (MOHAA, Quake 1,2,3, etc.). any way to solve this without rebooting? (of course there is...there's gotta be... :-P) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ No matter where I go, the place is always called here. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installation problem.
Any hints anybody? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shame, the win2k is working and the LM9.1 on the same machine is not. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, During installation of LM9.1, the graphics card was recognized correctly (RIVA TNT2 with 32Megs) but the Futura monitor was not. Many alternate monitors from the generic monitor list and many combinations of horizontal rate, vertical rate, resolutions and colors for custom monitor configuration would not work. The test showed a grey screen for all of them. The display manager failed every time during bootup and the machine went into command line mode instead of graphics mode. After booting to command line was completed, Alt-F7 showed a blank screen. LM9.0 worked fine using the same hardware, and dual booted Win2k also works fine. Has anybody seen this problem? Thanx Ayoub Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Procmail and Fetchmail as system services
On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 4:28 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 03 September 2003 10:45 am, HaywireMac wrote: IIRC, Fetchmail can pass mail through Procmail like a filter, like so:? postconnect procmail? IIRC, I read this, but am not doing it myself. I would have to research to find the exact command and syntax to make it do this. If there is no MTA like Postfix or Sendmail listening on Port 25 fetchmail will automatically pass the mail to procmail so long as /etc/procmailrc or ~/.procmailrc exists. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Zynot
Anguo wrote: You mean that the person to whom you told you are excited about Mandrake went to slashdot to reply to you? Either that or this person pulled someone else's comments because he didn't have any opinion of his own? http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=77005cid=6855151 aaa :) another slashdot reader :P ... no, he didn't say these were his opinions :P In any case, for about the same reasons, I may one day switch from Mandrake to the future Zynot distro, Gentoo's fork. what's so special about this future distro? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Procmail and Fetchmail as system services
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:25:42 +0100 Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: If you install the fetchmail-daemon RPM then fetchmail will automatically start as a root service using /etc/fetcmailrc as its config file. BTW: I may have mentioned this before, but there is a writeup on my homepage on precisely the same application as you are trying to do. ya, ya, you mentioned it, but it was a little more complicated than my level of understanding up til now. I am reading it now, tho, there may still be bits which I am unclear on (my fault, not yours), so don't RTFM me if I still ask ?'s. k? -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ We have reason to be afraid. This is a terrible place. -- John Berryman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Tuesday September 2 2003 11:41 am, Guy Rouillier wrote: I didn't think it relevant but I do indeed have a separate partition for /boot that is 100 MB, formatted ext2. I have a single swap partition that is 500 MB. That should be okay, right? 100 MB for boot's a bit much, but it's fine. See Charles' post that /boot can be ReiserFS, ext2,3 /boot is still needed for XFS. Charles' advice is always to be trusted too. I use 500mb /swap with 500mb ram, but actually only at least a 250mb /swap is needed. Even when video encoding or recoding 700 to 800 mb movies, I don't get into /swap hardly at all if ever. [tom /tom] $ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 502458 43 0 83125 -/+ buffers/cache: 250252 Swap:509 0509 -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] ALSA
I downloaded a whole lot of alsa rpm files, I installed all of them but whenever I try and use ALSA it tells me that there are no sound cards. I have a SB Audigy card. I dug around it the directories and did find a audigy.conf file, But i can't figure out how to tell ALSA to use it. Can anybody please help. Thanks Tsyko Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Webmin and Cron
If you select all for the minutes it will run every minute, same for hours, days, months etc etc. If you select a minute and all hours it will run every hour on that minute. If you select every minute and 1 hour for every minute of that hour the script will run. Tony. -Original Message- From: HaywireMac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 4:35 PM To: Mandrake Newbs Subject: [newbie] Webmin and Cron Checkin' out configuring cron with webmin, and I'm not clear on something. The choices above each time sector are all or selected. If I choose all, say, above minutes, does that mean the job is going to be run every minute, or will it skip to hourly? Conversely, if I choose selected, do I just not select any minutes so that the job will skip minutes and go to hours? Basically what I want to do is execute this command, say every 3 or 4 hours, for my dynamic IP: zoneclient.py -l -r http://checkip.dyndns.org/ user pass www.orderinchaos.org,orderinchaos.org -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Intellect annuls Fate. So far as a man thinks, he is free. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] somebody disliking mandrake
Gentoo is about 4 light-years ahead of the stable Debian. I agree with that. Emerge and Portage is a way better system than apt and .deb because it uses source in a simple, uncomplicated and efficient way. Personally I hate debian with a passion.. yes, sorry to say it, I _don't_ like it at all. I don't like it either. I have it on my Sun Ultra 5 because its the only version of Linux that works and runs well on it. No but seriously, to get back to the question, what is the so-called link between these two distros? I'm interested / confused. I think they are clubbed together just because they take the non Redhat RPM route. However it has to be said it is theorectically possible to use Portage on any Linux system. Can't comment on the security thing as I know nothing about it! -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 ICQ: 92791912 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YIM/AIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 16:44:46 up 1 day, 6:20, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:33:46 -0500 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an you're still here ;) Yea, keep spending more and more time with cooker and what 'little' of I of development so am not able the devote the amount of attention to newbie as I did in the past. Still read most of the post but usually let others handle them. Charles -- Fortune's real live weird band names #700: The Very Idea of Fucking Hitler - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.4.22-3.tmb.2mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Printing....
On Wednesday 03 September 2003 17:22, Derek Jennings wrote: By the way : If you have a Canon BJC2100SP you will get greatly improved printing if you use Turbo Print. RPM available from Mandrake Club or here http://www.turboprint.de/english.html I've got one of those..what's greatly improved? With cups it's awfully slow in printing and if I print fom OpenOfficeOrg directly the qualitys is very shoddy. I configured another instance of the same printer as a bjc600 which gives an enormous speed gain on b/w printing BTW, almost 10 fold. -- Good luck, HarM Mandrake HowTo's More:-) http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] MDK Gaming Mailing List?
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 06:29, HaywireMac wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:18:13 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: you can be an admin if you like Haywire... stop the spammers and stuff. Kewwwlll... Just one thing, no political discussions or 6000yo earth discussions.. :-) Are you kidding me? I avoid those like the plague these days, and there should be no probs with gun-control debates when some of us are playing Urban Terror... ;-) I'll start setting up the list tonight. What do you want to call it??? mandrake-games I *was* going to call it MandrakeGamer, but why don't we see what some others think...?sounds good to me, When I say linux the adverage person asks me how many games there are for linux.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound in Games after running mplayer
On Wednesday 03 September 2003 10:10 am, HaywireMac wrote: After runnin mplayer, I get no sound in my games. I do lsof +D /dev/sound, and get: wmsmixer 1644 joehill4r CHR 14,0 1468 /dev/sound/mixer xscreensa 2441 joehill 13w CHR 14,3 1469 /dev/sound/dsp so, I kill those and restart the sound service, but still there is no sound in any of the games (MOHAA, Quake 1,2,3, etc.). any way to solve this without rebooting? (of course there is...there's gotta be... :-P) Check to make sure that mplayer is using the arts output plugin if you are running KDE. If it is using /dev/dsp, it may not be releasing the sound device when it is done and that would lock it up for other apps. Had this problem myself and once I configured mplayer to use arts, I haven't seen it since. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Webmin and Cron
On Wednesday 03 September 2003 11:34 am, HaywireMac wrote: Checkin' out configuring cron with webmin, and I'm not clear on something. The choices above each time sector are all or selected. If I choose all, say, above minutes, does that mean the job is going to be run every minute, or will it skip to hourly? If you choose all, it means it doesn't trigger it for a specific minute. You do need to choose selected on at least one or the cron job will just never be triggered at all. Conversely, if I choose selected, do I just not select any minutes so that the job will skip minutes and go to hours? Basically what I want to do is execute this command, say every 3 or 4 hours, for my dynamic IP: zoneclient.py -l -r http://checkip.dyndns.org/ user pass www.orderinchaos.org,orderinchaos.org Select selected under hours and then select an hour every 3 hours and it will run on those hours. You may also want to select at least one minute entry and choose selected there, so that it will run say at 1:15, 4:15, 7:15, etc. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] somebody disliking mandrake
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:04:31 -0400, HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the RPM model getting dated? Sure. How's that? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 06:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, it's a reference to the Simpson's parody of Arnold Swarzenegger, who *is* running for governor of Kalifornia (Uber Alles!), no joke. Makes me think of that Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times. mkeh ;) i'm more interested in southpark :p yeah the noldie(chwarzenegger) rules!! :D (Sprichste Deutsch, da über alles steht? ;) Und Kalifornien schreibt man im English mit c :p) Hey nobody in california speaks english anymore. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Torvalds feat. Colifornia
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 05:45, HaywireMac wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:28:33 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: who's mcbain? he's unknown here in switzerland ;) Sorry, it's a reference to the Simpson's parody of Arnold Schwarzenegger, who *is* running for governor of Kalifornia (Uber Alles!), no joke. Worse than that he is the leader in the polls ,personally I prefer the porn star ;- Makes me think of that Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
