Re: [newbie] RpmDrake
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Piero wrote: I downloaded an rpm-package for Realplayer. Can I use RpmDrake in order to install it? It looks as if the only available packages for RpmDrake are those contained in a list, probably coming from the installation cds, and I do not understand how to add a new package to this list. You could set up a local folder on your computer as a media source and then place any of the rpm's you download into that folder. You might need to update the media source every now and then. I would recommend just using urpmi to install the package though, would be a lot easier. More info on setting up media sources for rpmdrake and urpmi can be found here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/UrpmiResources Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake--Initializing
On Friday 18 June 2004 13:17, OOzy wrote: Every time I try to install a program from rpmdrake, it goes for initializing. I think it is looking for a connection. How can I make rpmdrake not to look for programs on-line. For example I am trying to install an FTP client and I am sure there is one on my disks; I don't want to get one from on-line. You have defined your sources as various on-line ones. You can edit those sources in mcc. Or : browse your CD's, copy the relevant rpm to some directory, cd directory to that one, become root and type : urpmi nameofrpm. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * http://www.haulrich.net * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake--Initializing
OOzy wrote: Every time I try to install a program from rpmdrake, it goes for initializing. I think it is looking for a connection. How can I make rpmdrake not to look for programs on-line. For example I am trying to install an FTP client and I am sure there is one on my disks; I don't want to get one from on-line. OOzy; If you have already defined external sources for packages (from the Internet, for example), rpmdrake will always attempt to connect to those locations to determine if any of the packages at those locations have changed and to receive an updated list of available packages. However, you can always install the packages from the command line if you prefer. After opening a root console, just mount the CD-rom drive and move to the RPM's directory on the CD (cd /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS), and install the package you need with the following command; rpm -ivh name of FTP client app that ends with .rpm If the package you're trying to install is not on that particular CD, you'll see an error similar to file not found. Replace the CD in the drive with the correct one. Unless the package has dependencies, it should install without a hitch. If it has dependencies, use the command; urpmi name of FTP client app that ends with .rpm and it should walk you through the install and tell you which CD (s) to insert. HTH Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake--Initializing
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:35:43 +0200 Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: Every time I try to install a program from rpmdrake, it goes for initializing. I think it is looking for a connection. How can I make rpmdrake not to look for programs on-line. For example I am trying to install an FTP client and I am sure there is one on my disks; I don't want to get one from on-line. You have defined your sources as various on-line ones. You can edit those sources in mcc. Or : browse your CD's, copy the relevant rpm to some directory, cd directory to that one, become root and type : urpmi nameofrpm. ...could you not also use the '--media' switch with urpmi (lets you define what source(s) you want to use)? I'm not sure how you would describe the media (I removed my CD's as sources ages ago), but it should show you the media name in MCC -- Software Mgmt -- Software Media Manager. Something like: urpmi --media CD1 packagename -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org 08:55:40 up 14:18, 5 users, load average: 0.14, 0.20, 0.12 +++ Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes a-begging. -- Martin Luther Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake bug and question re running 10.1 cooker
On Tuesday 06 April 2004 21:03, Chuck Mattsen wrote: Well, as it turns out my botched KDE (and other updates) was due to that rpmdrake bug (Bugzilla 9411) ... packages were downloading but not installing, and remaining in /var/cache/urpmi/rpms. I wonder if thats my problem? Given that I know cooker is the bleeding edge and not for a production machine (this one isn't), would it now make sense for me to simply remain with cooker, at least for awhile? If I were to do so, would I be able to continue updating using the cooker mirrors as I've been doing these past weeks with the 10CE updates, or would it require a different procedure(s) as 10.1 continues to diverge from 10.0, and onward? (I've seen mention of mirroring the directory structure, etc., locally, I think, and don't quite understand that concept, nor am I sure I would be able to do so.) For those more-than-newbies who have experience with running previous cooker versions, //how// volatile is it, i.e., are problems which occur generally annoyances from which one may recover after another update cycle or two, or are they more-critical show-stoppers which would render one's system useless and force a reinstall? For me Bleeding Edge says it all. The words mean to me if you use this expect to bleed a lot! Now if you enjoy that have fun. For me I'm not capable! --- Regards; Hoyt Ignore the past and you will fail! Ignore the future and you have already failed! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
rhein wrote: Hello, I try to use rpmdrake to add a medium (contrib file) and I get this error message after a long time of waiting... Unable to update medium... Errors: urpmi database locked urpmi database locked retrieve of source hdlist failed no hdlist file found for medium contrib problem reading synthesis file of medium contrib Does it say there is a problem with the ftp server or my computer? Thanks Christophe If your urpmi database is locked, as root navigate to /var/lib/urpmi and delete the two files called LOCK and RPMLOCK - then try again. Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
On Saturday 06 March 2004 06:09, rhein wrote: Hello, I try to use rpmdrake to add a medium (contrib file) and I get this error message after a long time of waiting... Unable to update medium... Errors: urpmi database locked urpmi database locked retrieve of source hdlist failed no hdlist file found for medium contrib problem reading synthesis file of medium contrib Does it say there is a problem with the ftp server or my computer? Thanks Christophe Hello Rhein, It would be helpfull if you include the exact command you are trying to run. In any case, I see the dadabase is locked, which suggests you are running another instance of URPMI in the background. Try closing all rpm related apps (urpmi, rpmdrake, rpmdrake-remove) and then add the desired media, using the console, and urpmi.addmedia. Good luck, .::. Amichai Rotman, The Jerusalem Linux Club - Founder. Smart IT people are staring out the window into the eye of a giant penguin! Short text-only e-mails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
On Friday 05 March 2004 11:09 pm, rhein wrote: Hello, I try to use rpmdrake to add a medium (contrib file) and I get this error message after a long time of waiting... Unable to update medium... Errors: urpmi database locked urpmi database locked retrieve of source hdlist failed no hdlist file found for medium contrib problem reading synthesis file of medium contrib Does it say there is a problem with the ftp server or my computer? Thanks Christophe Try using a new contrib mirror: www.urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
On Saturday 08 Nov 2003 4:40 pm, Phil Newcombe wrote: Hi all, Why don't I see all packages with rpmdrake? I think it's setup properly with ftp mirrors for main, contrib , etc but when I look for a package that I Know is on one of the mirrors (Python) it doesn't show up anywhere in rpmdrake. Thanks -- pn Two possible reasons come to mind. 1/ The sources are not set up correctly. 2/ Python is already installed. My money is on No 2 You can check with the Uninstall GUI. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 08:40:31 -0800 Phil Newcombe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Why don't I see all packages with rpmdrake? I think it's setup properly with ftp mirrors for main, contrib , etc but when I look for a package that I Know is on one of the mirrors (Python) it doesn't show up anywhere in rpmdrake. Try urpmq --sources filename and see if it shows up. filename doesn't have to be the entire name. You might need to update the sources, which can be done in the gui, or with urpmi.update -a You should probably do this with rpmdrake closed. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
Thank you - I'm checking it out now. -- pn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RPMDRAKE is looking in HDC??
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:43:25 +0100 Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: When I try to install rpm packages from the Mandrake 9.1 install cds, rpmdrake is trying to load them from hdc instead of cdrom2. Any ideas on how I would fix this problem? Go to MCC and make sure the Sources are configured properly. The CDs should be pointing to /mnt/cdrom I believe, at least normally. -- + Joe Hill + Registered Linux user #282046 + Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net + ICQ# 279518458 + Don't believe the Hype! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Friday 14 Feb 2003 12:51 am, et wrote: well really I think it was Anne that made the statement in question; OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist if you made that statement, perhaps you would like to explain it. I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh, but I am pretty sure we both exist. Et - I did make the statement in question. It was in response to a statement (by Rob? not sure) that there had been not a single voice raised in support/liking for the newer interface (and BTW, it doesn't sound much different from 9.0's). That was patently untrue, though there are far more posts about disliking it. I have since apologised for my angry retort. Manners cost nothing. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Friday 14 February 2003 04:25 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 14 Feb 2003 12:51 am, et wrote: well really I think it was Anne that made the statement in question; OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist if you made that statement, perhaps you would like to explain it. I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh, but I am pretty sure we both exist. Et - I did make the statement in question. It was in response to a statement (by Rob? not sure) that there had been not a single voice raised in support/liking for the newer interface (and BTW, it doesn't sound much different from 9.0's). That was patently untrue, though there are far more posts about disliking it. I have since apologised for my angry retort. Manners cost nothing. Anne I understood that, I just thought that my reply had caught the eye of others who were also a bit hot under the collar, so to speak, and they were hoping for something else to take out of context, I saw your apology and explaination, and I hope everyone that had so much energy over a GUI, noticed not one person said so if you want the gui your way, learn perl and/or C++ and write the GUI the way you want, since it (GNU-Linux) is all about choice and learning. No one is stopping anyone from writting their own GUI and offering it to the world as an additional choice. (it is GNU/GPL is it not?) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Friday 14 Feb 2003 11:14 am, et wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 04:25 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 14 Feb 2003 12:51 am, et wrote: well really I think it was Anne that made the statement in question; OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist if you made that statement, perhaps you would like to explain it. I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh, but I am pretty sure we both exist. Et - I did make the statement in question. It was in response to a statement (by Rob? not sure) that there had been not a single voice raised in support/liking for the newer interface (and BTW, it doesn't sound much different from 9.0's). That was patently untrue, though there are far more posts about disliking it. I have since apologised for my angry retort. Manners cost nothing. Anne I understood that, I just thought that my reply had caught the eye of others who were also a bit hot under the collar, so to speak, and they were hoping for something else to take out of context, I saw your apology and explaination, and I hope everyone that had so much energy over a GUI, noticed not one person said so if you want the gui your way, learn perl and/or C++ and write the GUI the way you want, since it (GNU-Linux) is all about choice and learning. No one is stopping anyone from writting their own GUI and offering it to the world as an additional choice. (it is GNU/GPL is it not?) Gerrofff! That's my line. 'Linux is about choice' g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
What exactly did you mean by that, ed? ;) LX __ if we don't agree we don't exist? that statement is so far in left field, unless it has something to do with part of this thread that was clipped, I can not begin to make sense of it. Hell, I don't agree with a lot of stuff that I am damn sure exists. And I don't (usually) object if we apply normal respect around here, and capitalize proper names, so if you want to call me Ed, I would not mind too much. Now, what exactly did you mean by that, LX? UMMM..ye, what he said, :-) Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
I understood that, I just thought that my reply had caught the eye of others who were also a bit hot under the collar, so to speak, and they were hoping for something else to take out of context, I saw your apology and explaination, and I hope everyone that had so much energy over a GUI, noticed not one person said so if you want the gui your way, learn perl and/or C++ and write the GUI the way you want, since it (GNU-Linux) is all about choice and learning. No one is stopping anyone from writting their own GUI and offering it to the world as an additional choice. (it is GNU/GPL is it not?) I have thought of doing this myself. I just dont know how to use perl THAT well since i barely know how to write a scripthehe Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
Gerrofff! That's my line. 'Linux is about choice' g Talking about lines... My line is no one likes whiners Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Friday 14 February 2003 12:47 pm, et wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 09:57 am, Robert Wideman wrote: Gerrofff! That's my line. 'Linux is about choice' g Talking about lines... My line is no one likes whiners Rob Ok,, if we are gonna all add their lines mine is OK So I AM an Asshole, but it's your probem to just deal with it. Of course I am the father of teenagers. You have seen mine I think: Life is good, just don't weaken -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Friday 14 February 2003 08:51 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: You have seen mine I think: Life is good, just don't weaken I have two. The first is You people are exhausting! and the other is I've gotta go! -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wednesday 12 Feb 2003 10:49 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: Tho many were vocal (as you are) about the changes, the logic and reasons for it as given by the Mdk. developers were compelling if not convincing, and much progress has been made with the new versions since. I have not seen one posting to Newbie OR Expert stating they like the separate programs for RPM installation. Its a hassle switching between the different progs. OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday 13 Feb 2003 7:59 am, Vahur Lokk wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 22:32, you wrote: (An example of a neglected new feature is the Samba setup wizard - To set up a basic Samba server, all you have to do is press the Samba wizard button in Mandrake Control Centre. Aaarrg Guess what I spent all day just yesterday?! OK, at least I learned something Wahur Well I exaggerated very slightly. Once the wizard completes it tells you to use smbpasswd to enable the home directories for the users, but does not tell you the full command to use is 'smbpasswd -a user_name' derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
I have not seen one posting to Newbie OR Expert stating they like the separate programs for RPM installation. Its a hassle switching between the different progs. OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist. Not understanding what you meant by this. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
(An example of a neglected new feature is the Samba setup wizard - To set up a basic Samba server, all you have to do is press the Samba wizard button in Mandrake Control Centre. Is there such a samba wizard? I dont have it installed, using NFS which i am not liking. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday 13 February 2003 10:43 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I have not seen one posting to Newbie OR Expert stating they like the separate programs for RPM installation. Its a hassle switching between the different progs. OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist. Not understanding what you meant by this. Rob my interpatation of statements like this is either it is no so freaking far out of context no one can possibly figure it out, or the author really should go ahead and start back with the caffeine in their coffee, or less working on beta testting of uubp. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 February 2003 10:43 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I have not seen one posting to Newbie OR Expert stating they like the separate programs for RPM installation. Its a hassle switching between the different progs. OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist. Not understanding what you meant by this. She was replying to your statement that you had not seen one person that liked the new rpmdrake. Essentially, I believe she meant that the fact that she likes the new interface has escaped you. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+S8EiwDpHP6GALAARAhM7AJ9PnSjOpHkNDkHVFJH9yZqLzQcD/ACfUTi2 gIEWPcqq+gPHNadIDqwZrko= =nGOt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday 13 February 2003 10:43 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I have not seen one posting to Newbie OR Expert stating they like the separate programs for RPM installation. Its a hassle switching between the different progs. OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist. Not understanding what you meant by this. Rob my interpatation of statements like this is either it is no so freaking far out of context no one can possibly figure it out, or the author really should go ahead and start back with the caffeine in their coffee, or less working on beta testting of uubp. I was the one that stated the above comment. I am subscribed to both newbie/expert for the last 2 months and i havent seen very much comparing the GURPMI. What i have seen/read is commenting on how much they with the 8.2 version was back, with the capabilities that have reached thus far. Meaning the interface (tabs, installed, uninstalled, available, not available) were in 9.x. I personally would like to have that back. But its not a big deal for me since i hardly ever use anything except install section. I use the CLI for everything else, querying, uninstalling, etc. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 20:15, Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: On Wed 2003-02-12 at 17:54:48 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 16:52, Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: [...] I wonder how often you change your sources, if you need to keep it open... The point is that version 1.4 had all four neatly integrated into one very usable interface. Therefore all was available if you needed it. No, the point is you exaggerated when you claimed that you *have* Boy you are some kind of arrogant, arent you? Why in the hell are you trying to tell *me* what MY point is? I know full well what I was saying, and I know you don't give a rat's damn about it. So don't try to restate *my* point; you keep your restatements of anything restricted to what you know, which is YOUR OWN sh*t. to keep *all four* open. Yes, it may have been easier to switch between them before, I never said otherwise. But it is not as bad as you described, because there is no reasonable need to use all four at the same time. And this was my original statement, which I'm requoting here to keep you from bastardizing it any further: In LM91 beta 3, to duplicate the functionality of one LM82 Rpmdrake UI instance, you must activate all four icon instances of rpmdrake listed in MCC. Then you end up with four seperate windows, each one of which looks identical to the other one except for the title bars. It's absurd. Again To duplicate the functionality of one LM82 Rpmdrake UI instance. As you are completely aware, this was nothing less than a demonstration to compare the abilities of rpmdrake 1.4 UI to the absurdity of rpmdrake UI in 9.0/9.1. It was never put forth as standard operating procedure; this is merely your blatant attempt to obfuscate and bastardize the primary point. That was my point: Please keep to the facts if you must rant. Now try running the new and improved rpmdrake from an Eterm. It puts you into software packages installation mode. Can you affect what mode you want it to go into? Not according to rpmdrake --help. There is not a method listed to do so. That's because they are four different programs. You don't expect to find rmdir when you type mkdir --help do you? Unfortunately the point continues to escape you, No. I just have a habit to answer to the point at hand. Your habit is to obfuscate and diffuse the discussion with fluff that has nothing to do with the main point. which is that all this functionality was inherent in rpmdrake version 1.4. What has that to do with what you said above? You were complaining that rpmdrake --help does not show what you want and I explained why it doesn't. End of story. Well, here's another place where you miss the forest for the trees; again, as usual. I don't *care* about the why, since it was nothing more than a demonstration; I never asked; what you submitted is what I call off topic unsolicited advice; and again the point is that the UI is inferior to what was available in rpmdrake 4.1. If you want to submit a 400 page code analysis of the butchered rpmdrake 2.X, feel free to go right ahead, but I suggest you do it in another thread where you might actually be making a point for a change. Looks like you need *some* kind of change. Yes, the interface has changed. Tough. [...] Because you don't NEED mcc to start a GUI program. You don't NEED four seperate UI's to handle what was once done in a single UI quite well. Now, in 9.1, you are *forced* to do this. I didn't intend to discuss the merits of the new interface (I even said so before) and so I won't start now. Of COURSE you won't. Why in the WORLD would you be interested in the actual point of this thread, since you've shown zero competence in doing so up to now? I just wrote to correct some facts that were presented, well, not completely right. In my opinion you wrote merely to muddy the water and deflect the issue from the main point, which happens to be the suck level of the new UI. Maybe so and maybe not. Read the archive and you can save the maybe for yourself. Apparently you don't care. And definitely I can state the same for you; the difference is that with me I'm stating a fact. But in any case there are two certainties: (1) The people's voice *will* be heard on the Club's RPM Voting page. (2) Rpmdrake 1.4 has progressed to 50 votes from 47 in the time that we have been writing to this thread this afternoon. It is now on page 2 out of 10, moving up fast, and *still* has not lost it's rank as a new entry. Yeah, that won't change that you cannot have 1.4 back for technical reasons. Same as if its source had been burned. Wow. What 10,000 goats were sacrificed to make you a god? The topic is the rpmdrake 1.4 UI. Not it's entirety. The entirety of 1.4 NEVER WAS the point. By the same token, the UI of rpmdrake 2.x is also the point; not it's totality. If you want to
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
Boy you are some kind of arrogant, arent you? Why in the hell are you trying to tell *me* what MY point is? I know full well what I was saying, and I know you don't give a rat's damn about it. So don't try to restate *my* point; you keep your restatements of anything restricted to what you know, which is YOUR OWN sh*t. Dude, go take some morphine (or your favorite illegal drug) and space out for a while. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 10:52, et wrote: On Thursday 13 February 2003 10:43 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I have not seen one posting to Newbie OR Expert stating they like the separate programs for RPM installation. Its a hassle switching between the different progs. OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist. Not understanding what you meant by this. Rob my interpatation of statements like this is either it is no so freaking far out of context no one can possibly figure it out, or the author really should go ahead and start back with the caffeine in their coffee, or less working on beta testting of uubp. What exactly did you mean by that, ed? ;) LX __ -- °°° Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk Mandrake Cooker 9.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5-12mdkEvolution 1.2.1-1mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 20:22, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday February 12 2003 03:17 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I used to could start rpmdrake 1.4 from an Eterm and then as I conducted actions in the UI, it would report back to Eterm exactly what it was doing, connecting to, unpacking, installing, etc, et al, ad infinitim. Very handy; very good UI experience; a good teamwork job between the CLI and the UI. Now with 9.1 all that is history. That's not fair. The underlying functionality (urpmi) is greatly improved, and the GUI frontend's for it are improving. OK, I agree that things are improving; but you should know that I never meant to intimate that the underlying functionality itself was not getting better. My beef is with the UI; and I realize that it will get better; I hope anyway. The thrust of this was never to actually resurrect all aspects of rpmdrake 1.4, backend and frontend. The objective is to reach a compromise where the backend performs to expectations while pushing a frontend that is as usable as 1.4 was, while perhaps at the same time having attributes that would satisfy the needs of users like Anne. At least the complaints from the naysayers have dimished. GUI's are always gonna be a hotbed of debate as to what's better, more intuitive, and userproof. If you read thru the past discussions on the cooker archives as I previously advised, I believe you'll understand that the change was necessary to improve functionality. I don't have any problems with the backend changes; but I continue to maintain that more compromises should have been considered with regard to the UI. If you always want to be able to see what's happening and when, use urpmi on the CL. You were sort'a kind'a doin it anyhow runnin rpmdrake in a terminal. As of right now, that's certainly what is happening, and I appreciate your advice in that direction. Well, I've expressed the following sentiment in regards to GUI's for burnin CDr's, and I believe it equally applies to rpm management (among many other tasks). The best way to learn how to use a GUI front end, is to become familiar and proficient with how the underlying task is accomplished on the CL first. That's fine, and for the most part I agree; but I just don't have time to examine every single aspect of the system in excruciating exhaustive detail all the time. Sometimes I need to actually get stuff done, and then move on to more important productive things. On a rainy day when I have time, great; but not right now. In other words, rpmdrake is not the sole reason for my existence on planet Mandrake, although it does (used to rather) grease the rails. Rpmdrake 1.4 was a valuable tool that allowed me to accomplish these things. As to votes for rpmdrake 1.4... don't hold your breath. It ain't gonna happen. MOF, I think I'll go vote for the status quo ;~PPP You go right ahead. That's what the voting system is supposed to be used for. :) LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk Mandrake Cooker 9.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5-12mdkEvolution 1.2.1-1mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 20:32, Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 04:17 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Behind the scenes the engine(s) may be new and improved, That is why it was changed but the interface just isn't getting it. That is your opinion, not a fact. Glad to see that you are finally catching on to the entire purpose of this thread. Congratulations on finally catching up with the rest of us. I don't understand *why* it was changed, Yes you do, you stated it very plainly above when you said 'Behind the scenes the engine(s) may be new and improved' The backend and the frontend do not have to be the same thing. That is the point. As I've stated before, there is always opportunity for compromise; and it's sorely needed with 9.0/9.1 in relation to the rpmdrake 4.1 UI. and I have not talked to anybody that does. Yes you have, unless I don't count. It seems to me that this should have been a discussion/vote within Mandrakeclub prior to the time that the change was made. Voting did not exist within the Club at that time. You really need to get in contact with the UI team for the draktools if you feel this strongly about it. They are simply not going to replace the new rpmdrake with the old rpmdrake, and they won't add it in as an option since real estate on the iso's is so precious (especially since the Club is also voting strongly for 650MB iso's). The best you can hope for is to get it into contribs or get them to change the UI. The best way for you to get it into contrib is to package it yourself and submit it. The best way for you to get the UI changed is to get in touch with the UI team and work with them by providing a solution instead of just saying it sucks. No one is going to be all over the change because a couple of people are ranting about it on the newbie list, or because 50 people voted for it on the Club. Once again, you continue to forcefully minimize the importance of people's opinions at the risk of your own credibility. You can continue to do so if you want, but I take the position that this posture of yours is related to a subconscious desire to be wrong. Throughout this thread you have continued to make the voters and dissenters sound insignificant, and to make it sound like there was just absolutely no way to go except for the path that was taken. Further, you intimate that the entirety of my activity in this issue involves rant or complaints; which is ironic since I compose this from within a cooker distro in a room with four other cooker candidate machines. From a broader point of view, I have defended the Mandrake distribution from the beginning in every way I have found personally possible to maintain, as far back as 6.1. I have put money forth when we did'nt have it, put time and effort into helping people locally and abroad when I didn't have it truly available, kept my mouth shut about certain things involving Mandrake corporate that did'nt suit me personally because of fear that it would damage them publically, pushed this distro to customers of mine, and taken hits graciously when the Mandrake distro did not suit some of the people I had recommended it to. For your information this is the first beef I've ever had with Mandrake, the first thing I've ever had a complaint about, and for me it is a dead serious thing. I fully plan on being active in rpmdrake's evolution from here on out. But in the present time, if I want to make my views known on this issue, I'm going to take the time to do so. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk Mandrake Cooker 9.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5-12mdkEvolution 1.2.1-1mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday 13 Feb 2003 3:52 pm, et wrote: On Thursday 13 February 2003 10:43 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I have not seen one posting to Newbie OR Expert stating they like the separate programs for RPM installation. Its a hassle switching between the different progs. OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist. Not understanding what you meant by this. Rob my interpatation of statements like this is either it is no so freaking far out of context no one can possibly figure it out, or the author really should go ahead and start back with the caffeine in their coffee, or less working on beta testting of uubp. I don't need caffeine, et. The statement was that no-one at all had expressed any liking for the newer version of rpmdrake. This is patently untrue, but apparently those of us that do like it can be ignored. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday 13 Feb 2003 4:00 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 February 2003 10:43 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I have not seen one posting to Newbie OR Expert stating they like the separate programs for RPM installation. Its a hassle switching between the different progs. OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist. Not understanding what you meant by this. She was replying to your statement that you had not seen one person that liked the new rpmdrake. Essentially, I believe she meant that the fact that she likes the new interface has escaped you. Thank you Greg. It is a matter of fact, as someone else pointed out, that we tend to make more noise when we are unhappy, than when we are happy. It is inevitable that we don't all like the same things. I was simply objecting to the tendency to ignore those that appear to disagree. We may not be in the majority in this thread, but I am not alone. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 12:33, Anne Wilson wrote: my interpatation of statements like this is either it is no so freaking far out of context no one can possibly figure it out, or the author really should go ahead and start back with the caffeine in their coffee, or less working on beta testting of uubp. I don't need caffeine, et. The statement was that no-one at all had expressed any liking for the newer version of rpmdrake. This is patently untrue, but apparently those of us that do like it can be ignored. Anne Anne, you were'nt being ignored. Robert (and I myself for that matter) was referring to *previous* posts prior to the advent of this thread. Obviously Greg, B.Pflugmann, you and maybe others I haven't mentioned have basically been in a war defending their rpmdrake 2.1. As such it ought to be obvious that since there IS a large amount of activity in this thread, we have two parties participating that have differing points of view. Therefore, how can we be ignoring each other? If I should have responded to your earlier post, I apologize for not doing so. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk Mandrake Cooker 9.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5-12mdkEvolution 1.2.1-1mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 12:17 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 14:51, Tom Brinkman wrote: Now Lyvim, I believe you read the cooker list and should know this was all hammered out, fuss'd about, reasons given, and concessions made months ago on the cooker list. If I'm terribly wrong, then search the cooker archives back in Oct., Nov., Dec Tho many were vocal (as you are) about the changes, the logic and reasons for it as given by the Mdk. developers were compelling if not convincing, and much progress has been made with the new versions since. I am somewhat new to the cooker list, and I just migrated to 9.1 beta. The difference is that now I've actually made the transition from theory to practice in my involvement with rpmdrake 2.x, and it isn't positive. I just don't believe the 4-way interface is as good as rpmdrake 1.4. Behind the scenes the engine(s) may be new and improved, but the interface just isn't getting it. I don't understand *why* it was changed, and I have not talked to anybody that does. It seems to me that this should have been a discussion/vote within Mandrakeclub prior to the time that the change was made. I assumed that that was one of the reasons that Mandrakeclub existed. But what do I know, it's much easier and quicker to manage packages on the CL anyhow ;~ppp I use rpm to install downloaded individual rpm's and rpmdrake to install from CD and update the OS from the net. Usually I get the latter two items done pretty easily from the rpmdrake 1.4 UI. But since I've been using LM91 Beta 3, I've developed a strong aversion to using rpmdrake. I used to could start rpmdrake 1.4 from an Eterm and then as I conducted actions in the UI, it would report back to Eterm exactly what it was doing, connecting to, unpacking, installing, etc, et al, ad infinitim. Very handy; very good UI experience; a good teamwork job between the CLI and the UI. Now with 9.1 all that is history. BTW, in the recent discussions of updating 9.1b3 from mirrors, I failed to mention there's a new tool 'urpmi.setup' available. A little GUI tool for the CL challenged to use urpmi. 'Course I haven't used it ;)urpmi.setup-0.4.2-1mdk I *could* start using the CLI for this stuff, I've just been occupied with too many *other* things in the CLI to pay attention. I don't spend all day playing with rpmdrake. But when I do use it, I like for there to be a decent UI sitting there waiting. With the advent of rpmdrake 2.1 it is now probably time to get a handle on the CLI procedures for urpmi, at least in the interim period that it takes for rpmdrake 1.4 to be voted back in. LX Hmmm, Y'know, I never really noticed the difference. I just start DrakConf from the CL in an Eterm and go to software in the picture window, and I see in the Eterm what is going on no matter which of the four I choose. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday 13 Feb 2003 5:47 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 12:33, Anne Wilson wrote: my interpatation of statements like this is either it is no so freaking far out of context no one can possibly figure it out, or the author really should go ahead and start back with the caffeine in their coffee, or less working on beta testting of uubp. I don't need caffeine, et. The statement was that no-one at all had expressed any liking for the newer version of rpmdrake. This is patently untrue, but apparently those of us that do like it can be ignored. Anne Anne, you were'nt being ignored. Robert (and I myself for that matter) was referring to *previous* posts prior to the advent of this thread. Obviously Greg, B.Pflugmann, you and maybe others I haven't mentioned have basically been in a war defending their rpmdrake 2.1. As such it ought to be obvious that since there IS a large amount of activity in this thread, we have two parties participating that have differing points of view. Therefore, how can we be ignoring each other? If I should have responded to your earlier post, I apologize for not doing so. Lyvim - I guess we all have rough-edge moments. I took offence at one small statement, which is ridiculous. I'm amazed at the strength of feeling on this thread, but apologise for my over-sensitivity. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned -- and a possile security issue
On Thursday 13 February 2003 08:08 am, Robert Wideman wrote: Dude, go take some morphine (or your favorite illegal drug) and space out for a while. Rob True..he's way out of line with that comment and that finally convinced me not to vote for the old rpmdrake in list of rpm's we want to find in 9.1. This yelling and sreaming does, sadly, take us away from the major point. The UI, not the underlying engine(s), are nuts. Let's remember what these 4 windows are doing. They are accessing funtionality in urpmi. (And no, I don't want to go back to the slower version.) These windows all access the same underlying engine(s). In normal UI design, given the above, it is normal practise to place all the functionality in a single window. Not 4..but 1. In O-O programming it ought to be a fairly trivial task to place all of these functions in a single, tabbed window. Even procedural programming, properly done, should allow for this. So I find the excuse that it can't be done to be nothing short of unbelieveable. And there have been times that I have had to have all 4 windows open at once, though not many. Often, though, it's at least 2. Incidentally it's times like this when I wish I was (a) retired or (b) independantly wealthy so that I could volunteer to write help files cause someone has to learn to do it. :-) One more, rather disturbing thing. I can close down, say, the Sources window and a minute or two later come back to open the Update window. Opening the secound window within something like a 120-160 secound time frame allows a user to open the second window without a challenge for the root password. IMHO this is not a good thing. That said..I'll go look at the cooker lists and say that this is my last comment on this subject. Have fun and happy computing! ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 04:54 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Well, I've done searches within the newbie and expert lists for rpmdrake and I see almost no vocality on a positive note for rpmdrake 2.1. This isn't from memory, this is from a hard search for rpmdrake thru all emails I have. My lists here date back to 1999. I saw no naysayers convinced in the discussions on the expert list, may they come here on this thread and correct me if I am wrong. And if they still don't like rpmdrake 2.1, I'd appreciate hearing about that as well. Well, this thread has been going for awile so I'll chip my 2 cents in. :-) I appreciate all the hard work the programmers have put into improving the backend functionality of rpmdrake, but like a few others, I believe that the user interface could be better. It is not as convenient to have to open up multiple windows to achieve something that was done in one window. Also, in the past, I've always dragged the rpmdrake icon to my task bar because I use it so much. Now...I would have to drag 2 icons there, and I'm hearing that I would have to use -4- with the new 9.1 beta? Is that right? Tad bit unhandy, that :-) Currently, I set my entries to 10 on the taskbar, with most used items, and it keeps open and remove software available to me from the Kmenu popup. Still, that takes up 2 slots it did not before...and will it take 4 slots with the new beta? Hmm... My opinion (next to worthless, I know), is that a single, *tabbed* interface using the new backend stuff would be...handier grin Thanks for listening... -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday 13 Feb 2003 8:00 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: This has gone on so long that I have forgotten the beginning. What are the 4 functions? Under 9.0, add software is among my most-used, remove software comes a good way behind that. What are the other two? Sources Manager and Mandrake Update. Right. I can see why you would want to link Sources Manager (I don;t feel strongly myself, but I can see why others may), but I tend to think of Mandrake Update as something quite different. I wouldn't have a great problem with it being in there, but it doesn't seem quite so logically connected as the others. SM should be a menu in the main program, MU should be a generic option in FileUpdate or something like that. Then should be the real program...Package Manager. A tab for installed and one for installable packageslike the MDK 8.2 version. ALSO, i hate going into the Installer and being defaulted to Mandrake Choices. This should NOT even be an option. It should be defaulted to ALL (alphabetical listing), then Catagorized (a drop down menu for type of package, source repository, update availability, group, size, selection state). I agree about the Mandrake Choices default, it's really annoying. I would prefer that it remembered your last use, as for most of us it would automaticlly come up with the right choice 95% of times. I have wondered sometimes, though, whether it is always clear where you are going to get the update from. I think plf always indicate that in their name, (I don't know about others because I don't use them), but I'm often taken by surprise when I expect to be asked for a disk but find that it just goes ahead and installs, from which I presume it is downloading, but it didn't tell me so. I would just feel happier if there was some indication before it does it, whether in the way the list is organised, or by message, I don't mind. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
I agree about the Mandrake Choices default, it's really annoying. I would prefer that it remembered your last use, as for most of us it would automaticlly come up with the right choice 95% of times. I totally agree. Same with asking for a password going into it since i always do it from my user rwideman. Then again, couldnt i just make the permissions on the file 770 and add rwideman to group wheel?? I have wondered sometimes, though, whether it is always clear where you are going to get the update from. I think plf always indicate that in their name, (I don't know about others because I don't use them), but I'm often taken by surprise when I expect to be asked for a disk but find that it just goes ahead and installs, from which I presume it is downloading, but it didn't tell me so. I would just feel happier if there was some indication before it does it, whether in the way the list is organised, or by message, I don't mind. Totally agree on where the hell is it getting the file from?. I believe ALL PLF files have PLF in the name, not sure tho. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On 12 Feb 2003, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Well, I've done searches within the newbie and expert lists for rpmdrake and I see almost no vocality on a positive note for rpmdrake 2.1. This isn't from memory, this is from a hard search for rpmdrake thru all emails I have. My lists here date back to 1999. I saw no naysayers convinced in the discussions on the expert list, may they come here on this thread and correct me if I am wrong. And if they still don't like rpmdrake 2.1, I'd appreciate hearing about that as well. I'm one of the original dissenters who didn't like the removal of tabbing in favor of separate open and close functions. I haven't actually seen 2.1 yet but from what I'm reading here the frontend has been further improved in a direction I probably won't like. Maybe a little story will help to convey what is bothering us who find the improvments kludgy, that the rest of you seem oblivious to. I worked 18 years for a bookstore, and had about 20 someodd sections to take care of. One of my regular tasks was the scan the file details for every book in every section I was responsible for. When we first got the program we used it was simple. Star with a list of sections, enter the section you want, then enter the first book in that section and scan the details to make sure they're right. Then hit the spacebar and you're viewing the details of the next book, hit the spacebar for the third book, etc. So I could rapidly go from book to book just by hitting the spacebar and quickly check the information for one of my sections. Then the programmers improved things. (Everytime they upgraded our package it became less usable.) Now you couldn't hit the spacebar to go to the detail file for the next title. You had to exit back to the list of titles, page down to the title you wanted, scan, then exit, then you're back at the top of the list of titles and have to page down one further than the last time, etc. So if I entered five titles down the last time I exited, I had to remember which title it was and/or count down six the next time. I didn't have to keep these things in mind before, nor did I have to exit, page down, and enter over and over. Just scan and hit the spacebar, scan and hit the spacebar until I reached the last title in the section. It made checking a section enormously more time consuming and made us less able and less likely to keep on top of our sections. Now while the parallel isn't perfect the improvements in the DrakConf GUI is of a similar nature. I used to find it VERY convenient to tab back and forth between installed and installable, and now I have to exit the one and start the other, and then exit the other and reopen the first if I want to jump back and forth, which I used to do a lot. Now I almost have to make a list of the things I want to check while I'm in the one, so I don't have to open and close so damned many times. Now in my bookstore job each of the upgrades was presented as an improvment in terms of the underlying code, and perhasps it was, but it damned sure wasn't an improvement for those of us who had to use the product to get our daily work done. I don't know if the processes or functions were grouped differently in the new and improved versions, so that the old frontend experience COULDN'T be coded in, but I damn sure know what it felt like to have to use it. And to a lesser extent that's the way I've felt with the improvements in DrakConf. It's the user whose experience should count. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:11:23 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have wondered sometimes, though, whether it is always clear where you are going to get the update from. Using rpmdrake right click in the info pane and select maximum information The info will now include the source repository from which the pkg will be fetched. Charles -- Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow. - Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-5mdk - msg119424/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 14:55, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 13 February 2003 02:49 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: This has gone on so long that I have forgotten the beginning. What are the 4 functions? Under 9.0, add software is among my most-used, remove software comes a good way behind that. What are the other two? Hey Anne! Well, I was following this thread and I got the impression that the new beta splits it up even more into 4? I'm not using the new beta so maybe I'm wrong on this? Ron, If you are looking at the default install of 9.1 Beta 3 right off the CD's, then when you go to MCC you see Software Management. When you enter that, you see the following: 1) RpmDrake helps you install software packages 2) Mandrake Update helps you apply any fixes or upgrades to installed packages 3) Rpmdrake helps you remove software packages 4) Software Sources Manager helps you define where software packages are downloaded from So, yes you're right; rpmdrake has been split four ways. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk Mandrake Cooker 9.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5-12mdkEvolution 1.2.1-1mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday 13 Feb 2003 9:03 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:11:23 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have wondered sometimes, though, whether it is always clear where you are going to get the update from. Using rpmdrake right click in the info pane and select maximum information The info will now include the source repository from which the pkg will be fetched. Thank you Charles. I saw that tip (yesterday, I think?) but haven't used it yet, so I didn't know that info was there. It does seem a pity that such a useful thing wasn't clearly available, but I'll certainly use it now I know. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 February 2003 04:23 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: 1) RpmDrake helps you install software packages 2) Mandrake Update helps you apply any fixes or upgrades to installed packages 3) Rpmdrake helps you remove software packages 4) Software Sources Manager helps you define where software packages are downloaded from So, yes you're right; rpmdrake has been split four ways. It was the same in 9.0, so it is not a new feature of 9.1. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+TB5DwDpHP6GALAARAsK/AJ9k5wJVNkv0XLvCVegYJ4Q05l0fYQCeM9V2 MvFM5ov3F2rkwThn8zR/4Ik= =WFoL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
Using rpmdrake right click in the info pane and select maximum information The info will now include the source repository from which the pkg will be fetched. I dont get this option in my screen. What version of GURPMI are you using, or whatever package it is? Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday 13 Feb 2003 10:43 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: Using rpmdrake right click in the info pane and select maximum information The info will now include the source repository from which the pkg will be fetched. I dont get this option in my screen. What version of GURPMI are you using, or whatever package it is? I've got the straight 9.0/KDE, and it works, but it doesn't seem to work for every package. I haven't had time to check enough to see if there's a pattern. I'll look at it again later. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:43:32 -0600 Robert Wideman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont get this option in my screen. What version of GURPMI are you using, or whatever package it is? On my 9.0 system it is the stock pkgs urpmi--4.0-20.1mdk gurpmi-4.0-20.1mdk rpmdrake-2.0-27mdk Charles -- Savage's Law of Expediency: You want it bad, you'll get it bad. - Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-5mdk - msg119436/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
I dont get this option in my screen. What version of GURPMI are you using, or whatever package it is? On my 9.0 system it is the stock pkgs urpmi--4.0-20.1mdk gurpmi-4.0-20.1mdk rpmdrake-2.0-27mdk Ah, this right-click has to be done on the right pane where the description already is. Thanks Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday February 13 2003 10:06 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: the author really should go ahead and start back with the caffeine in their coffee, or less working on beta testting of uubp. What exactly did you mean by that, ed? ;) LX The uubp part? I'm still lookin for testers and suitable transfer lines. We all know OSS is free as in speech, but not free beer We're tryin to change that ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday 13 February 2003 11:06 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 10:52, et wrote: On Thursday 13 February 2003 10:43 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I have not seen one posting to Newbie OR Expert stating they like the separate programs for RPM installation. Its a hassle switching between the different progs. OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist. Not understanding what you meant by this. Rob my interpatation of statements like this is either it is no so freaking far out of context no one can possibly figure it out, or the author really should go ahead and start back with the caffeine in their coffee, or less working on beta testing of uubp. What exactly did you mean by that, ed? ;) LX __ if we don't agree we don't exist? that statement is so far in left field, unless it has something to do with part of this thread that was clipped, I can not begin to make sense of it. Hell, I don't agree with a lot of stuff that I am damn sure exists. And I don't (usually) object if we apply normal respect around here, and capitalize proper names, so if you want to call me Ed, I would not mind too much. Now, what exactly did you mean by that, LX? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thursday 13 February 2003 10:59 am, Robert Wideman wrote: On Thursday 13 February 2003 10:43 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I have not seen one posting to Newbie OR Expert stating they like the separate programs for RPM installation. Its a hassle switching between the different progs. OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist. Not understanding what you meant by this. Rob my interpatation of statements like this is either it is no so freaking far out of context no one can possibly figure it out, or the author really should go ahead and start back with the caffeine in their coffee, or less working on beta testting of uubp. I was the one that stated the above comment. I am subscribed to both newbie/expert for the last 2 months and i havent seen very much comparing the GURPMI. What i have seen/read is commenting on how much they with the 8.2 version was back, with the capabilities that have reached thus far. Meaning the interface (tabs, installed, uninstalled, available, not available) were in 9.x. I personally would like to have that back. But its not a big deal for me since i hardly ever use anything except install section. I use the CLI for everything else, querying, uninstalling, etc. Rob well really I think it was Anne that made the statement in question; OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist if you made that statement, perhaps you would like to explain it. I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh, but I am pretty sure we both exist. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
well really I think it was Anne that made the statement in question; OK - if we don't agree, we don't exist if you made that statement, perhaps you would like to explain it. I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh, but I am pretty sure we both exist. OH, NM Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:11:23 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have wondered sometimes, though, whether it is always clear where you are going to get the update from. I think plf always indicate that in their name, (I don't know about others because I don't use them), but I'm often taken by surprise when I expect to be asked for a disk but find that it just goes ahead and installs, from which I presume it is downloading, but it didn't tell me so. I would just feel happier if there was some indication before it does it, whether in the way the list is organised, or by message, I don't mind. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Well if you use the Maximum Information option (right click in the right-side frame) it'll tell you where it's getting it from and all file's it's installing. Since Greg told me this option is available i've found it very useful. I don't know why it doesn't _default_ to max info, but it's there. Jerry -- -- Registered Linux user # 300600 Registered Linux machine # 185855 at http://counter.li.org (¬_ //\ V_/_ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 02:09 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The positive side to all this is that in the Mandrakeclub RPM voting page, you can let it be known if you do not like LM9X Rpmdrake by casting your vote for Ctardif's entry, listed as rpmdrake 1.4 (9.1/i586). This would bring back the old rpmdrake. FYI...the version of rpmdrake that LM91 Beta 3 has off of the CD's is rpmdrake-2.1-4mdk. The version of rpmdrake that was shipped with LM82 was rpmdrake-1.4-18mdk. If you are still on 8.2, you must have missed the fact that the new rpmdrake was introduced in 9.0 to quite favorable reaction. I think it is here to stay. Although some do agree with you, I don't. I personally like the new rpmdrake much better. It is much faster and I think the package selection is a lot easier. I really like the way it gives you the config files diffs when upgrading a pacage that already exists on the machine. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+SqMGwDpHP6GALAARAu24AJ9SMYu8OTDA1uA49IclSSbSKUfA1QCePXlq Wc43SQz53lMBBLETkngoyvs= =6jLU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wednesday February 12 2003 01:09 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Whew. I tell you what guysI love 9.1 in general and so far things have been working OK. But this new rpmdrake UI is the worst idea I've seen in a long long time. I wish I had one or two gallons of holy water, some wooden stakes and some nightvision goggles so I could put this undead monster to it's final rest. Rpmdrake in LM82 was very eloquent and I got addicted to it in record time; all functions right there at your fingertips, including update/install/removal/source configuration. I got used to using it almost on a daily basis. Contrast this with 9.1, where you have rpmdrake butchered into four seperate chunks, each one of which does not allow access to any of the other pieces. To get things done you have to go back to one of the other icons, which brings up a seperate incarnation of rpmdrake doing the separate thing. In LM91 beta 3, to duplicate the functionality of one LM82 Rpmdrake UI instance, you must activate all four icon instances of rpmdrake listed in MCC. Then you end up with four seperate windows, each one of which looks identical to the other one except for the title bars. It's absurd. Now try running the new and improved rpmdrake from an Eterm. It puts you into software packages installation mode. Can you affect what mode you want it to go into? Not according to rpmdrake --help. There is not a method listed to do so. Translation: Mandrake Update mode: unavailable. Remove software mode: unavailable. Software Sources Manager mode: unavailable. Previously all these functions were easily accessible from within the LM8X rpmdrake UI. NOW you have to activate a seperate icon for each one. El dumb-o. The positive side to all this is that in the Mandrakeclub RPM voting page, you can let it be known if you do not like LM9X Rpmdrake by casting your vote for Ctardif's entry, listed as rpmdrake 1.4 (9.1/i586). This would bring back the old rpmdrake. FYI...the version of rpmdrake that LM91 Beta 3 has off of the CD's is rpmdrake-2.1-4mdk. The version of rpmdrake that was shipped with LM82 was rpmdrake-1.4-18mdk. Now where did I put those NV gogs LX Now Lyvim, I believe you read the cooker list and should know this was all hammered out, fuss'd about, reasons given, and concessions made months ago on the cooker list. If I'm terribly wrong, then search the cooker archives back in Oct., Nov., Dec Tho many were vocal (as you are) about the changes, the logic and reasons for it as given by the Mdk. developers were compelling if not convincing, and much progress has been made with the new versions since. But what do I know, it's much easier and quicker to manage packages on the CL anyhow ;~ppp BTW, in the recent discussions of updating 9.1b3 from mirrors, I failed to mention there's a new tool 'urpmi.setup' available. A little GUI tool for the CL challenged to use urpmi. 'Course I haven't used it ;)urpmi.setup-0.4.2-1mdk -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 14:39, Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 02:09 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The positive side to all this is that in the Mandrakeclub RPM voting page, you can let it be known if you do not like LM9X Rpmdrake by casting your vote for Ctardif's entry, listed as rpmdrake 1.4 (9.1/i586). This would bring back the old rpmdrake. FYI...the version of rpmdrake that LM91 Beta 3 has off of the CD's is rpmdrake-2.1-4mdk. The version of rpmdrake that was shipped with LM82 was rpmdrake-1.4-18mdk. If you are still on 8.2, you must have missed the fact that the new rpmdrake was introduced in 9.0 to quite favorable reaction. Favorable reaction where, exactly? I haven't seen any and I've scanned all three lists. There's one thread on Expert regarding this titled Re: [expert] rpmdrake 9.0, a step backwards :(. This thread contains the major commentary on this subject that I've been able to find. In addition to that there is also no support for your favorable reaction theory when you look at the votes on the RPM Voting pages for rpmdrake-1.4-18mdk. It's gone all the way to page 2 out of 10 and as of right now is up to 47 votes. After today it will be 49 cause I will be casting my two cents in the wishing well. Among the dissenters on the thread above in the Expert list were Dale Huckeby, Toshiro, David Guntner, Franki and Piero Piutti. James Sparenburg made the following excellent point: Ok now the discussion has gone on to the point of creating two equally problomatic camps. My question is there a middle gournd. Can the UI of old be merged with the codebase of new. The answer is yes. Of the ones that were *for* the new rpmdrake, there was Todd Lyons alone; and I was unable to discern anybody else in the thread that made it clear that they were liking rpmdrake 2.1. Bottom line is that I find no basis in reality for your statement concerning a favorable reaction. I think it is here to stay. And I think it depends on the votes. And it should. THAT should be the determining factor, and not some arbitrary tyrannical decision handed down from an ivory tower. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk Mandrake Cooker 9.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5-12mdkEvolution 1.2.1-1mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
SNIP BTW, in the recent discussions of updating 9.1b3 from mirrors, I failed to mention there's a new tool 'urpmi.setup' available. A little GUI tool for the CL challenged to use urpmi. 'Course I haven't used it ;)urpmi.setup-0.4.2-1mdk Gosh. I like it :-) urpmi.setup seems to use the online database of urpmi sources at PLF. So it should be possible to dynamically adjust the list as sources are added/deleted. Every release of Mandrake has nice new goodies like this, but all too often very few people ever find out about them. I hope this little app is clearly marked somewhere since the people who need it most are the ones who are least likely to find it. derek (An example of a neglected new feature is the Samba setup wizard - To set up a basic Samba server, all you have to do is press the Samba wizard button in Mandrake Control Centre. Only problem is you have to install the drakwizard RPM before you can see the button) -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 03:17 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: If you are still on 8.2, you must have missed the fact that the new rpmdrake was introduced in 9.0 to quite favorable reaction. Favorable reaction where, exactly? I haven't seen any and I've scanned all three lists. There's one thread on Expert regarding this titled I just recall many discussions on a.o.l.m back during beta testing of 9.0 discussing this very thing, with some people liking it and some people hating it. I also recall the Cooker discussion during the development process that spelled out quite clearly why this was a positive change. A lot of naysayers were convinced during that discussion, which is why it changed. Re: [expert] rpmdrake 9.0, a step backwards :(. This thread contains the major commentary on this subject that I've been able to find. In addition to that there is also no support for your favorable reaction theory when you look at the votes on the RPM Voting pages for rpmdrake-1.4-18mdk. It's gone all the way to page 2 out of 10 and as of right now is up to 47 votes. After today it will be 49 cause I will be casting my two cents in the wishing well. Among the dissenters on the thread above in the Expert list were Dale Huckeby, Toshiro, David Guntner, Franki and Piero Piutti. James Sparenburg made the following excellent point: Ok now the discussion has gone on to the point of creating two equally problomatic camps. My question is there a middle gournd. Can the UI of old be merged with the codebase of new. The answer is yes. Of the ones that were *for* the new rpmdrake, there was Todd Lyons alone; and I was unable to discern anybody else in the thread that made it clear that they were liking rpmdrake 2.1. Bottom line is that I find no basis in reality for your statement concerning a favorable reaction. The people that don't like a change are always the most vocal about why they don't like something, which is why when you go back and look, the evidence will always point to the dissenters outweighing the people that like it. Take the recent discussion about the new mdkkdm as a case in point. I personally hate it and think it should go away yesterday. You, however, may like it and think it is the best change Mandrake ever made. The Internet is full of posts from me making a case for why it should be gone, but because you may like it, you didn't say anything. I think it is here to stay. And I think it depends on the votes. And it should. THAT should be the determining factor, and not some arbitrary tyrannical decision handed down from an ivory tower. I don't think a development decision made by the company that pays for the development a tyrannical one, and this was definitely not arbitrary. I also think Club voting was put into place in order to determine if fluxbox or blackbox goes on cd1 or 2, not determine the development direction of the Mandrake Tools. No matter how many people vote to put nVidia drivers in the distro, they won't go in. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+SrlWwDpHP6GALAARApMEAJ4w2HXnRHOIdi2jTBl1nQn34Wcd5QCfXASq Fj/Om7aaBnS/GeG8TrJynYw= =21jZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 03:51 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: I hate to argue with you Lyvim, but I found th 8.2 version a tad confusing. Sure it was all there, but somehow I was never sure that I was seeing what I wanted to find. Perhaps it was because I was so new, but then a good many users are. IMO, the bottom line is that despite the fact that it was all in one place, the ui was a terrible design, performance sucked and the application code was bloated. One can get around the common place to load everything by accessing the four different modules throught he MCC. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+SroOwDpHP6GALAARAtOBAJ9YUVA0vqyauhQpXVQV1I6im7Z87ACdFCOK rYqeY2PhvK4LUVMmqGiMxuo= =VkT2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 14:51, Tom Brinkman wrote: Now Lyvim, I believe you read the cooker list and should know this was all hammered out, fuss'd about, reasons given, and concessions made months ago on the cooker list. If I'm terribly wrong, then search the cooker archives back in Oct., Nov., Dec Tho many were vocal (as you are) about the changes, the logic and reasons for it as given by the Mdk. developers were compelling if not convincing, and much progress has been made with the new versions since. I am somewhat new to the cooker list, and I just migrated to 9.1 beta. The difference is that now I've actually made the transition from theory to practice in my involvement with rpmdrake 2.x, and it isn't positive. I just don't believe the 4-way interface is as good as rpmdrake 1.4. Behind the scenes the engine(s) may be new and improved, but the interface just isn't getting it. I don't understand *why* it was changed, and I have not talked to anybody that does. It seems to me that this should have been a discussion/vote within Mandrakeclub prior to the time that the change was made. I assumed that that was one of the reasons that Mandrakeclub existed. But what do I know, it's much easier and quicker to manage packages on the CL anyhow ;~ppp I use rpm to install downloaded individual rpm's and rpmdrake to install from CD and update the OS from the net. Usually I get the latter two items done pretty easily from the rpmdrake 1.4 UI. But since I've been using LM91 Beta 3, I've developed a strong aversion to using rpmdrake. I used to could start rpmdrake 1.4 from an Eterm and then as I conducted actions in the UI, it would report back to Eterm exactly what it was doing, connecting to, unpacking, installing, etc, et al, ad infinitim. Very handy; very good UI experience; a good teamwork job between the CLI and the UI. Now with 9.1 all that is history. BTW, in the recent discussions of updating 9.1b3 from mirrors, I failed to mention there's a new tool 'urpmi.setup' available. A little GUI tool for the CL challenged to use urpmi. 'Course I haven't used it ;)urpmi.setup-0.4.2-1mdk I *could* start using the CLI for this stuff, I've just been occupied with too many *other* things in the CLI to pay attention. I don't spend all day playing with rpmdrake. But when I do use it, I like for there to be a decent UI sitting there waiting. With the advent of rpmdrake 2.1 it is now probably time to get a handle on the CLI procedures for urpmi, at least in the interim period that it takes for rpmdrake 1.4 to be voted back in. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk Mandrake Cooker 9.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5-12mdkEvolution 1.2.1-1mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On 12 Feb 2003 14:09:03 -0500 Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rpmdrake in LM82 was very eloquent and I got addicted to it in record time; all functions right there at your fingertips, including update/install/removal/source configuration. I got used to using it almost on a daily basis. Contrast this with 9.1, where you have rpmdrake butchered into four seperate chunks, each one of which does not allow access to any of the other pieces. To get things done you have to go back to one of the other icons, which brings up a seperate incarnation of rpmdrake doing the separate thing. In LM91 beta 3, to duplicate the functionality of one LM82 Rpmdrake UI instance, you must activate all four icon instances of rpmdrake listed in MCC. Then you end up with four seperate windows, each one of which looks identical to the other one except for the title bars. It's absurd. this was changed in 9.0 and I was quite disappointed it with it too, ttytt. the most important feature of 8.2's rpmdrake was that you could see... right there in front of you... what files it would put where if you installed it. with rpmdrake in 9.0 it's not there. I can't figure out HOW on EARTH to tell WHAT FILES a package installs so some rpms get installed and i end up NEVER USING them because I have no idea what it names the executable or where it puts it. perhaps there's a CL command to do this but manpages make my brain numb and i give up because it's like someone's speaking martian at me. so, since rpmdrake's become enigmatic, anyone know what command used to query a package BEFORE istallation to list every file it's going to install (and where) so i could, for example, out the output to a text file and read it first? (ie command [option] [pakcage] files.txt) ?? Jerry. -- -- Registered Linux user # 300600 Registered Linux machine # 185855 at http://counter.li.org (¬_ //\ V_/_ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 04:30 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: this was changed in 9.0 and I was quite disappointed it with it too, ttytt. the most important feature of 8.2's rpmdrake was that you could see... right there in front of you... what files it would put where if you installed it. with rpmdrake in 9.0 it's not there. I can't figure out HOW on EARTH to tell WHAT FILES a package installs so some rpms get installed and i end up NEVER USING them because I have no idea what it names the executable or where it puts it. Right click the right pane and choose maximum information - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Sr5OwDpHP6GALAARAntJAJ0QjMB3kbWsSjKnofUStwx6M6daXwCeP5c/ QDREUAYFaqQbCy97j27N3hA= =XCOu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:36:14 -0500 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 04:30 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: this was changed in 9.0 and I was quite disappointed it with it too, ttytt. the most important feature of 8.2's rpmdrake was that you could see... right there in front of you... what files it would put where if you installed it. with rpmdrake in 9.0 it's not there. I can't figure out HOW on EARTH to tell WHAT FILES a package installs so some rpms get installed and i end up NEVER USING them because I have no idea what it names the executable or where it puts it. Right click the right pane and choose maximum information - -- OH! Greg you're a godsend! (what an odd way to do it... i never would have thought to do that... why isn't there a big huge sign saying right click the right pane and choose maximum information to see files list!!! on the titlebar? ROFL) ok that was my major gripe with rpmdrake. the only other think i don't like is that it's not all accessable from one window, tabbed, but that's minor to me. Thanx! Jerry (getting happy again) -- -- Registered Linux user # 300600 Registered Linux machine # 185855 at http://counter.li.org (¬_ //\ V_/_ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
Aside from Tom's insighful comments[1], to set some facts straight... On Wednesday February 12 2003 01:09 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: [...] thing. In LM91 beta 3, to duplicate the functionality of one LM82 Rpmdrake UI instance, you must activate all four icon instances of rpmdrake listed in MCC. Then you end up with four seperate windows, each one of which looks identical to the other one except for the title bars. It's absurd. For me, it's absurd to keep all four open. I keep my box up-to-date all the time and only need one (install). And from time to time, but far less often, I also need to start uninstall. I wonder how often you change your sources, if you need to keep it open... The only time I find the new scheme lacking is when I try to find out about the state of a package without knowing it's name (I try searching and cannot be sure whether I mistyped the name of it is not in the installed list). Now try running the new and improved rpmdrake from an Eterm. It puts you into software packages installation mode. Can you affect what mode you want it to go into? Not according to rpmdrake --help. There is not a method listed to do so. That's because they are four different programs. You don't expect to find rmdir when you type mkdir --help do you? Translation: Mandrake Update mode: unavailable. MandrakeUpdate Remove software mode: unavailable. rpmdrake-remove Software Sources Manager mode: unavailable. edit-urpm-sources.pl Previously all these functions were easily accessible from within the LM8X rpmdrake UI. What's wrong with using the GUI (mcc) to start a GUI-program? Or really using the CLI, if you start doing so (using urpmi instead of rpmdrake)? NOW you have to activate a seperate icon for each one. El dumb-o. The positive side to all this is that in the Mandrakeclub RPM voting page, you can let it be known if you do not like LM9X Rpmdrake by casting your vote for Ctardif's entry, listed as rpmdrake 1.4 (9.1/i586). This would bring back the old rpmdrake. I doubt that. There are technical reasons why it cannot be brought back with reasonable effort. Read the cooker list archives for why. Regards, Benjamin. [1] You are on the cooker list since at least October... Even if you had no opportunity to read the discussion about rpmdrake, you should know where to look for it by now. msg119271/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wednesday 12 Feb 2003 9:45 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:36:14 -0500 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 04:30 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: this was changed in 9.0 and I was quite disappointed it with it too, ttytt. the most important feature of 8.2's rpmdrake was that you could see... right there in front of you... what files it would put where if you installed it. with rpmdrake in 9.0 it's not there. I can't figure out HOW on EARTH to tell WHAT FILES a package installs so some rpms get installed and i end up NEVER USING them because I have no idea what it names the executable or where it puts it. Right click the right pane and choose maximum information - -- OH! Greg you're a godsend! (what an odd way to do it... i never would have thought to do that... why isn't there a big huge sign saying right click the right pane and choose maximum information to see files list!!! on the titlebar? ROFL) In 9.1 there is ;) Well actually it is a radio button/ derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 04:45 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: OH! Greg you're a godsend! (what an odd way to do it... i never would have thought to do that... why isn't there a big huge sign saying right click the right pane and choose maximum information to see files list!!! on the titlebar? ROFL) I tried to deadpan the response because you were so upset over something that was so simple. Seriously though, the major flaw to me of the new rpmdrake is documentation, or a lack thereof. Little things like that anoy users, when there is no good reason they have to. ok that was my major gripe with rpmdrake. the only other think i don't like is that it's not all accessable from one window, tabbed, but that's minor to me. I get around the lack of common ui by accessing it from the MCC, which gets around having to type in the root password everytime I want to switch from install to remove. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+SsKzwDpHP6GALAARAgNuAJ9gRFrTZVO+AIOyqtBn09q81z+rhwCeIZ0y cRjtZfUppGfxorgjzjVctiY= =Ai6z -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 16:15, Greg Meyer wrote: I just recall many discussions on a.o.l.m back during beta testing of 9.0 discussing this very thing, with some people liking it and some people hating it. I also recall the Cooker discussion during the development process that spelled out quite clearly why this was a positive change. A lot of naysayers were convinced during that discussion, which is why it changed. Well, I've done searches within the newbie and expert lists for rpmdrake and I see almost no vocality on a positive note for rpmdrake 2.1. This isn't from memory, this is from a hard search for rpmdrake thru all emails I have. My lists here date back to 1999. I saw no naysayers convinced in the discussions on the expert list, may they come here on this thread and correct me if I am wrong. And if they still don't like rpmdrake 2.1, I'd appreciate hearing about that as well. Re: [expert] rpmdrake 9.0, a step backwards :(. This thread contains the major commentary on this subject that I've been able to find. In addition to that there is also no support for your favorable reaction theory when you look at the votes on the RPM Voting pages for rpmdrake-1.4-18mdk. It's gone all the way to page 2 out of 10 and as of right now is up to 47 votes. After today it will be 49 cause I will be casting my two cents in the wishing well. Among the dissenters on the thread above in the Expert list were Dale Huckeby, Toshiro, David Guntner, Franki and Piero Piutti. James Sparenburg made the following excellent point: Ok now the discussion has gone on to the point of creating two equally problomatic camps. My question is there a middle gournd. Can the UI of old be merged with the codebase of new. The answer is yes. Of the ones that were *for* the new rpmdrake, there was Todd Lyons alone; and I was unable to discern anybody else in the thread that made it clear that they were liking rpmdrake 2.1. Bottom line is that I find no basis in reality for your statement concerning a favorable reaction. The people that don't like a change are always the most vocal about why they don't like something, which is why when you go back and look, the evidence will always point to the dissenters outweighing the people that like it. Perhaps or perhaps not; I think it varies with the situation. Be that as it may, the point was favorable reaction, and not the statistical weight of dissenters. On the point in question I maintain that there are historically almost no peeps pushing rpmdrake 2.1 according to the list mail. Except maybe the developers. Take the recent discussion about the new mdkkdm as a case in point. I personally hate it and think it should go away yesterday. You, however, may like it and think it is the best change Mandrake ever made. I happen to agree with you here. I also think that this UI should have been put to a vote before it was changed; it would have saved much debate and the end product would have been better. I think it is here to stay. And I think it depends on the votes. And it should. THAT should be the determining factor, and not some arbitrary tyrannical decision handed down from an ivory tower. I don't think a development decision made by the company that pays for the development a tyrannical one, and this was definitely not arbitrary. 1) The customers pay the company that pays for the development. 2) Wether the decision was arbitrary or not depends largely on the average joe's leverage in the decision, which I maintain was not alot. I also think Club voting was put into place in order to determine if fluxbox or blackbox goes on cd1 or 2, not determine the development direction of the Mandrake Tools. What it was put in place for originally has absolutely no relation to what it has evolved to and is being used for now. Be that as it may, basically you are saying that the Mandrake users should not determine the direction of the Mandrake tools UI. No matter how many people vote to put nVidia drivers in the distro, they won't go in. That debate concerns licensing issues and has nothing to do with rpmdrake, which btw is a Mandrakesoft creation and is already included in the distro, where the Nvidia drivers are *not*. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk Mandrake Cooker 9.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5-12mdkEvolution 1.2.1-1mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 04:54 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Well, I've done searches within the newbie and expert lists for rpmdrake and I see almost no vocality on a positive note for rpmdrake 2.1. This isn't from memory, this is from a hard search for rpmdrake thru all emails I have. My lists here date back to 1999. I saw no naysayers convinced in the discussions on the expert list, may they come here on this thread and correct me if I am wrong. And if they still don't like rpmdrake 2.1, I'd appreciate hearing about that as well. Well, these two lists are not the only place that this distro is discussed. There are reviews all over the net, and the old MandrakeUser.org, the new mandrakeusers.org, pclinuxonline, a.o.l.m, etc. And I am also referring to discussions I have had privately with people. If you limit your review to these two ML's, you don't get the whole picture. In fact, several others have already posted in this thread about their satisfaction with the program in question. So you cannot say there is no support for it either. The people that don't like a change are always the most vocal about why they don't like something, which is why when you go back and look, the evidence will always point to the dissenters outweighing the people that like it. Perhaps or perhaps not; I think it varies with the situation. Be that as it may, the point was favorable reaction, and not the statistical weight of dissenters. On the point in question I maintain that there are historically almost no peeps pushing rpmdrake 2.1 according to the list mail. Except maybe the developers. And they made their case well and many of the dissenter's stood down because of it. You're not acknowledging that many of the original dissenter's came on board. I don't think a development decision made by the company that pays for the development a tyrannical one, and this was definitely not arbitrary. 1) The customers pay the company that pays for the development. Only if they like what they are getting, except of course for Microsoft customers :-) No matter how many people vote to put nVidia drivers in the distro, they won't go in. That debate concerns licensing issues and has nothing to do with rpmdrake, which btw is a Mandrakesoft creation and is already included in the distro, where the Nvidia drivers are *not*. Yes, it is an exclusion by policy, and the codebase for the old rpmdrake violated current development policies for the distro. I can only suggest to you that if you feel that strongly about the ui of rpmdrake, get in touch with the rpmdrake team and help create a better ui. I don't think any bitching or discussion, especially on this list, is going to get it back, and I am simply being practical about it - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Ssi2wDpHP6GALAARAhvqAJ9veCM/vkhc67a257yTBOvUZN+TJgCgs63X 2cVBWyRHZQI3V3Nrv4nadBQ= =YFbD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wed 2003-02-12 at 14:30:04 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] the most important feature of 8.2's rpmdrake was that you could see... right there in front of you... what files it would put where if you installed it. with rpmdrake in 9.0 it's not there. Choose maximum information. If it is not there as button (I think that is only there in Cooker), use the context menu (press right mouse button while in the right side of the window. [...] so, since rpmdrake's become enigmatic, anyone know what command used to query a package BEFORE istallation to list every file it's going to install (and where) so i could, for example, out the output to a text file and read it first? (ie command [option] [pakcage] files.txt) Aside from the example above, you can use rpm for that, presumed you know a server holding the file, e.g. rpm -qlp http://mandrake.secsup.org/Mandrake/9.0/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/Apache-ASP-2.37-3mdk.noarch.rpm Learned that myself only this week. :-) HTH, Benjamin. msg119281/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 12:09 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip Now try running the new and improved rpmdrake from an Eterm. It puts you into software packages installation mode. Can you affect what mode you want it to go into? Not according to rpmdrake --help. There is not a method listed to do so. Translation: Mandrake Update mode: unavailable. Remove software mode: unavailable. Software Sources Manager mode: unavailable. Previously all these functions were easily accessible from within the LM8X rpmdrake UI. NOW you have to activate a seperate icon for each one. El dumb-o. If you want to open the software removal persona from a term Lyvim just type: rpmdrake-remove in the term and it'll open for you. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 http://counter.li.org Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. War is peace. -- George Orwell Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
Tho many were vocal (as you are) about the changes, the logic and reasons for it as given by the Mdk. developers were compelling if not convincing, and much progress has been made with the new versions since. I have not seen one posting to Newbie OR Expert stating they like the separate programs for RPM installation. Its a hassle switching between the different progs. But what do I know, it's much easier and quicker to manage packages on the CL anyhow ;~ppp MMM, i have tried to install/update packages (not that much) via CLI and it never worked. Then again i might be doing something wrong. BTW, in the recent discussions of updating 9.1b3 from mirrors, I failed to mention there's a new tool 'urpmi.setup' available. A little GUI tool for the CL challenged to use urpmi. 'Course I haven't used it ;)urpmi.setup-0.4.2-1mdk MMM, will have to check it out. Need to find the src.rpm so i can test it on 9.0 since i am not using the betas. Also, is there a page/site that states what features have been added/updated/upgraded from 9.0 to the 9.1 betas ?? This documentation would be nice. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
No matter how many people vote to put nVidia drivers in the distro, they won't go in. This is b/c of the nVidia license, not the voting of users. Correct? Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
I am somewhat new to the cooker list, and I just migrated to 9.1 beta. The difference is that now I've actually made the transition from theory to practice in my involvement with rpmdrake 2.x, and it isn't positive. I just don't believe the 4-way interface is as good as rpmdrake 1.4. Behind the scenes the engine(s) may be new and improved, but the interface just isn't getting it. I don't understand *why* it was changed, and I have not talked to anybody that does. It seems to me that this should have been a discussion/vote within Mandrakeclub prior to the time that the change was made. I assumed that that was one of the reasons that Mandrakeclub existed. There is a voting option to put all 4 modules into 9.1 but i dont know whats going to happen with it. I use rpm to install downloaded individual rpm's and rpmdrake to install from CD and update the OS from the net. This is what i do myself. I *could* start using the CLI for this stuff, I've just been occupied with too many *other* things in the CLI to pay attention. I don't spend all day playing with rpmdrake. But when I do use it, I like for there to be a decent UI sitting there waiting. With the advent of rpmdrake 2.1 it is now probably time to get a handle on the CLI procedures for urpmi, at least in the interim period that it takes for rpmdrake 1.4 to be voted back in. Since 9.0 i think we all need to learn CLI urpmi for installing rpms Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
the most important feature of 8.2's rpmdrake was that you could see... right there in front of you... what files it would put where if you installed it. with rpmdrake in 9.0 it's not there. I can't figure out HOW on EARTH to tell WHAT FILES a package installs so some rpms get installed and i end up NEVER USING them because I have no idea what it names the executable or where it puts it. perhaps there's a CL command to do this but manpages make my brain numb and i give up because it's like someone's speaking martian at me. so, since rpmdrake's become enigmatic, anyone know what command used to query a package BEFORE istallation to list every file it's going to install (and where) so i could, for example, out the output to a text file and read it first? If i am going to install something i open the GUI, if the requirements arent met i use CLI rpm to check...rpm -qa|grep package-name. If its not there and the GUI doesnt have access to getting the rpm then i DL it from http://rpm.pbone.net/ or http://rpmfind.net and then install the rpm via CLI rpm. Its a hassle. Oh well... Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wednesday February 12 2003 03:30 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: so, since rpmdrake's become enigmatic, anyone know what command used to query a package BEFORE istallation to list every file it's going to install (and where) so i could, for example, out the output to a text file and read it first? (ie command [option] [pakcage] files.txt) ?? Jerry. rpm -qpil /path/to/filename.rpm /path/to/files.txt But you don't need to type in the whole filename of the rpm. Just the first 3 or 4 letters and then hit Tab to auto complete it. Same for path, just type the first few letters of the directories, and use Tab to complete, on the way to its location. Quick, easy, no typo's ;) And you don't need to pipe it to a text file, you can read the whole rpm description and where the files will be placed in the terminal. rpm -Uvh --test filename.rpm will tell you if you're gonna need some dependencies, without installing the rpm. urpmi filename.mdk.rpmand you don't need to fret with any of ^^^ the above ;) Tab still works tho ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
This info is VERY useful for prep work on PLF DL's. You dont know how many libraries are illegal in the US (DMCA laws) and can not be DL through GURPMI for progs on PLF. pbone.net is great for this since it gets around it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned On Wednesday February 12 2003 03:30 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: so, since rpmdrake's become enigmatic, anyone know what command used to query a package BEFORE istallation to list every file it's going to install (and where) so i could, for example, out the output to a text file and read it first? (ie command [option] [pakcage] files.txt) ?? Jerry. rpm -qpil /path/to/filename.rpm /path/to/files.txt But you don't need to type in the whole filename of the rpm. Just the first 3 or 4 letters and then hit Tab to auto complete it. Same for path, just type the first few letters of the directories, and use Tab to complete, on the way to its location. Quick, easy, no typo's ;) And you don't need to pipe it to a text file, you can read the whole rpm description and where the files will be placed in the terminal. rpm -Uvh --test filename.rpm will tell you if you're gonna need some dependencies, without installing the rpm. urpmi filename.mdk.rpmand you don't need to fret with any of ^^^ the above ;) Tab still works tho ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 08:16 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 05:54 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: No matter how many people vote to put nVidia drivers in the distro, they won't go in. This is b/c of the nVidia license, not the voting of users. Correct? Rob Mandrake could create an iso distribution, like lycoris, Red Hat and others, that prevent redistribution because of the inclusion of these drivers. By policy they will not include something that prevents the redistribution under the GPL no matter how many people vote for it. Clarification: I included RedHat because of their inclusion of copyrighted graphics and logos that they use to prevent redistribution of their distro. You will notice that places liek CheapBytes no longer sell RedHat but a distro called Pink Tie, which is RedHat with the offending material removed. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+SwjawDpHP6GALAARAharAJ9M/9xXnfz0GeD6ZVhES2iFr5vKGQCgkFzZ MdOs+6kUWSly7yeDMAt0N3w= =Nu0R -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wednesday February 12 2003 08:21 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: This info is VERY useful for prep work on PLF DL's. You dont know how many libraries are illegal in the US (DMCA laws) and can not be DL through GURPMI for progs on PLF. pbone.net is great for this since it gets around it. Rob US DMCA, and Europe and other parts of the world have their own similar laws and legal pitfalls, and it's never that cut an dried, black and white. Most OSS providers can't sholder the burden, even the slightest hint of exposure to legality questions over included software in their disros. Legal or not, right or wrong. The reality is even if they're in the right from the start, and eventually prevail, the legal costs of any challenge would bury them forever. Now what has this to do with lookin inside rpms? ..or rpmdrake? or with PLF or pbone.net ? Get around what? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned On Wednesday February 12 2003 03:30 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: so, since rpmdrake's become enigmatic, anyone know what command used to query a package BEFORE istallation to list every file it's going to install (and where) so i could, for example, out the output to a text file and read it first? (ie command [option] [pakcage] files.txt) ?? Jerry. rpm -qpil /path/to/filename.rpm /path/to/files.txt -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wednesday February 12 2003 08:21 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: This info is VERY useful for prep work on PLF DL's. You dont know how many libraries are illegal in the US (DMCA laws) and can not be DL through GURPMI for progs on PLF. pbone.net is great for this since it gets around it. Rob US DMCA, and Europe and other parts of the world have their own similar laws and legal pitfalls, and it's never that cut an dried, black and white. Most OSS providers can't sholder the burden, even the slightest hint of exposure to legality questions over included software in their disros. Legal or not, right or wrong. The reality is even if they're in the right from the start, and eventually prevail, the legal costs of any challenge would bury them forever. Now what has this to do with lookin inside rpms? ..or rpmdrake? or with PLF or pbone.net ? Get around what? If you re-read my info it states that due to legal issues you can not DL/install certain libaries, that are needed by some programs, via GURPMI. Pbone.net is great for this...they allow US to DL DMCA-illegal libraries. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 22:32, you wrote: (An example of a neglected new feature is the Samba setup wizard - To set up a basic Samba server, all you have to do is press the Samba wizard button in Mandrake Control Centre. Aaarrg Guess what I spent all day just yesterday?! OK, at least I learned something Wahur Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake issue
On Wednesday 22 January 2003 07:01, Robert Wideman wrote: I suggest you do urpmi.removemedia -ac to remove *all* sources and start again. just to remind you in case you missed yesterdays post. To put your CD sources in, insert CD1 in your CD drive then urpmi.addmedia --distrib removable:///mnt/cdrom Ok, did that. At this point i can remove things from the Sources Manager and it actually goes away AND without closing the program, WAHOO. Issue: I am now trying to add sources. I tried through the Sources Manager and it cant retrieve the list. So i tried to manually doing it through urpmi.addmedia.here is what i got (this happens on any ftp/site i try to add): # urpmi.addmedia --update Updates ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub.linux/mandrake/updates with ../base/hdlist.cz added medium Updates examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1 (x86).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2 (x86).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD (x86).cz] retrieving description file of Updates... retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of Updates... curl: (7) Connect failed ...retrieving failed: curl failed: exited with 7 or signal 0 retrieve of source hdlist (or synthesis) failed no hdlist file found for medium Updates examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Updates.cz] problem reading synthesis file of medium Updates unable to update medium Updates Any ideas? Thanks Rob Probably 'cause there's no file of that name on the cd's. Check in the RPMS directory what it's really called (probably ../base/hdlist1.cz for the first) and use that instead. Good Luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] rpmdrake issue
I suggest you do urpmi.removemedia -ac to remove *all* sources and start again. just to remind you in case you missed yesterdays post. To put your CD sources in, insert CD1 in your CD drive then urpmi.addmedia --distrib removable:///mnt/cdrom Ok, did that. At this point i can remove things from the Sources Manager and it actually goes away AND without closing the program, WAHOO. Issue: I am now trying to add sources. I tried through the Sources Manager and it cant retrieve the list. So i tried to manually doing it through urpmi.addmedia.here is what i got (this happens on any ftp/site i try to add): # urpmi.addmedia --update Updates ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub.linux/mandrake/updates with ../base/hdlist.cz added medium Updates examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1 (x86).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2 (x86).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD (x86).cz] retrieving description file of Updates... retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of Updates... curl: (7) Connect failed ...retrieving failed: curl failed: exited with 7 or signal 0 retrieve of source hdlist (or synthesis) failed no hdlist file found for medium Updates examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Updates.cz] problem reading synthesis file of medium Updates unable to update medium Updates Any ideas? Thanks Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake issue
On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 9:44 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I suggest you do urpmi.removemedia -ac to remove *all* sources and start again. just to remind you in case you missed yesterdays post. To put your CD sources in, insert CD1 in your CD drive then urpmi.addmedia --distrib removable:///mnt/cdrom Ok, did that. At this point i can remove things from the Sources Manager and it actually goes away AND without closing the program, WAHOO. Issue: I am now trying to add sources. I tried through the Sources Manager and it cant retrieve the list. So i tried to manually doing it through urpmi.addmedia.here is what i got (this happens on any ftp/site i try to add): # urpmi.addmedia --update Updates ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub.linux/mandrake/updates with ../base/hdlist.cz added medium Updates examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1 (x86).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2 (x86).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD (x86).cz] retrieving description file of Updates... retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of Updates... curl: (7) Connect failed ...retrieving failed: curl failed: exited with 7 or signal 0 retrieve of source hdlist (or synthesis) failed no hdlist file found for medium Updates examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Updates.cz] problem reading synthesis file of medium Updates unable to update medium Updates Any ideas? Thanks Rob Inserting ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub.linux/mandrake/updates into the url line of a browser indicates that this is not a valid address. Try another one. I get good performance from ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/updates/9.0/RPMS derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] rpmdrake issue
I suggest you do urpmi.removemedia -ac to remove *all* sources and start again. just to remind you in case you missed yesterdays post. To put your CD sources in, insert CD1 in your CD drive then urpmi.addmedia --distrib removable:///mnt/cdrom Ok, did that. At this point i can remove things from the Sources Manager and it actually goes away AND without closing the program, WAHOO. Issue: I am now trying to add sources. I tried through the Sources Manager and it cant retrieve the list. So i tried to manually doing it through urpmi.addmedia.here is what i got (this happens on any ftp/site i try to add): # urpmi.addmedia --update Updates ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub.linux/mandrake/updates with ../base/hdlist.cz added medium Updates examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1 (x86).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2 (x86).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD (x86).cz] retrieving description file of Updates... retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of Updates... curl: (7) Connect failed ...retrieving failed: curl failed: exited with 7 or signal 0 retrieve of source hdlist (or synthesis) failed no hdlist file found for medium Updates examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Updates.cz] problem reading synthesis file of medium Updates unable to update medium Updates Any ideas? Thanks Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] rpmdrake issue
I suggest you do urpmi.removemedia -ac to remove *all* sources and start again. just to remind you in case you missed yesterdays post. To put your CD sources in, insert CD1 in your CD drive then urpmi.addmedia --distrib removable:///mnt/cdrom Ok, did that. At this point i can remove things from the Sources Manager and it actually goes away AND without closing the program, WAHOO. Issue: I am now trying to add sources. I tried through the Sources Manager and it cant retrieve the list. So i tried to manually doing it through urpmi.addmedia.here is what i got (this happens on any ftp/site i try to add): # urpmi.addmedia --update Updates ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub.linux/mandrake/updates with ../base/hdlist.cz added medium Updates examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1 (x86).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2 (x86).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD (x86).cz] retrieving description file of Updates... retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of Updates... curl: (7) Connect failed ...retrieving failed: curl failed: exited with 7 or signal 0 retrieve of source hdlist (or synthesis) failed no hdlist file found for medium Updates examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Updates.cz] problem reading synthesis file of medium Updates unable to update medium Updates Any ideas? Thanks Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake issue
On Monday 20 Jan 2003 6:38 am, Rob Wideman wrote: I am having issues where rpmdrake (Software Sources Manager) will not update when i add/delete something AND it closes when i hit the Remove button. So i have found the /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg files and removed the lines that i didnt want. They are not listed anymore. The problem that i still have is i dont know the specific syntax that i need for adding an update source. I have the following: -update_source -ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub.linux/mandrake/updates -../base/hdlist.cz but i do not know how to put that in the urpmi.cfg file. Any thoughts? Thanks Robert man urpmi.addmedia To add this source as an 'update' repository' urpmi.addmedia --update Updates ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub.linux/mandrake/updates with ../base/hdlist.cz (That command is all on 1 line) derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] rpmdrake issue
# urpmi.addmedia Updates ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub/linux/mandrake/updates with
../base/hdlist.cz
syntax error in config file at line 28
unable to find hdlist file for Updates-MDK9, medium ignored
added medium Updates
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1
(x86) (cdrom1).cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2
(x86) (cdrom2).cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD
(x86) (cdrom3).cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Local HD.cz]
unable to uncompress synthesis file at
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/urpm.pm line 869.
I also get the same thing with --update in there as well.
It just seems like urpmi is corrupted on my machine or something.
Here is my /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg file:
Installation\ CD\ 1\ (x86)\ (cdrom1) removable://mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS {
hdlist: hdlist.Installation CD 1 (x86) (cdrom1).cz
with_hdlist: ../base/hdlist1.cz
list: list.Installation CD 1 (x86) (cdrom1)
removable: /dev/scd0
}
Installation\ CD\ 2\ (x86)\ (cdrom2) removable://mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS2 {
hdlist: hdlist.Installation CD 2 (x86) (cdrom2).cz
with_hdlist: ../base/hdlist2.cz
list: list.Installation CD 2 (x86) (cdrom2)
removable: /dev/scd0
}
International\ CD\ (x86)\ (cdrom3) removable://mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS3 {
hdlist: hdlist.International CD (x86) (cdrom3).cz
with_hdlist: ../base/hdlist3.cz
list: list.International CD (x86) (cdrom3)
removable: /dev/scd0
}
Local-HD file://home/username/local-rpms {
hdlist: hdlist.Local HD.cz
list: list.Local HD
}
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Re: [newbie] rpmdrake issue
On Monday 20 Jan 2003 7:44 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: # urpmi.addmedia Updates ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub/linux/mandrake/updates with ../base/hdlist.cz syntax error in config file at line 28 unable to find hdlist file for Updates-MDK9, medium ignored added medium Updates SNIP Something is wrong somewhere. Your file does not even list a source called Updates-MDK9, and is less than 28 lines long. I suggest you do urpmi.removemedia -ac to remove *all* sources and start again. just to remind you in case you missed yesterdays post. To put your CD sources in, insert CD1 in your CD drive then urpmi.addmedia --distrib removable:///mnt/cdrom That will put all 3 CDs in at once. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
Viestissä Keskiviikko 8. Tammikuuta 2003 18:35, Tom Brinkman kirjoitti: as root, urpmi.update -a ...will update all sources you've installed urpmi --auto-select ...will get the updates. Or better yet, urpmi.update -a --wget urpmi --auto-select ** Thank you Tom, These commands worked well with this same mirror where this graphic rpmdrake stucked :-) Seems to me that these console commands are much more powerfull than trying to do something in Kde? What about kernels, does somebody make these urpmi-kernels too like they make rpm-kernels in rh? Is solid 2.4.20 available in Mdk too? Tuija Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
On Thursday January 9 2003 02:41 am, Tuija wrote: Viestissä Keskiviikko 8. Tammikuuta 2003 18:35, Tom Brinkman kirjoitti: as root, urpmi.update -a ...will update all sources you've installed urpmi --auto-select ...will get the updates. Or better yet, urpmi.update -a --wget urpmi --auto-select ** Thank you Tom, These commands worked well with this same mirror where this graphic rpmdrake stucked :-) Seems to me that these console commands are much more powerfull than trying to do something in Kde? What about kernels, does somebody make these urpmi-kernels too like they make rpm-kernels in rh? Is solid 2.4.20 available in Mdk too? Tuija The last one works even better if you make a bashrc alias for it ;) A lot less typing, EG, alias xxx='urpmi.update -a --wget urpmi --auto-select' (xxx is 3 or 4 descriptive letters of your choosing.) Just put the line (as root) in /etc/bashrc at the end of the file. It's OK to use urpmi for kernel-source rpms, but not (read _NEVER_) for kernel binary rpms (ie, the pre-compiled ones). Use 'rpm -ivh kernel-xx.rpm' Actually, urpmi already has a safeguard to prevent using it to upgrade a kernel, see /etc/urpmi/inst.list There were several 2.4.20 Mdk kernels recently. I had minor problems with one (the first one IIRC), the last one 2.4.20-2 had no problems (for me). Current one is 2.4.21-pre2.1, the first Mdk 2.4.21 kernel, and appears to have no problems. These kernels are on cooker mirrors, but should work on 9.0. There's also newer Mandrake kernels available from the Club, and I believe also on Mdk unsupported/ mirrors. These would probly be a better choice on a 'stock' system ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
Does anybody know what could be wrong and how to fix it? TIA, Just a shot in the dark, but have you tried rpm --rebuilddb? No, I didn't try that. But I managed to fix it by rebooting. So I guess I'll never know if rpm --rebuilddb would have fixed it... unless I get the same problem again. --- Guilherme Cirne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
On Wednesday January 8 2003 08:09 am, Tuija wrote: Hi, Wasn't so long ago when I wrote that I have no problems with Mdk9.0. Then I took these updates from Sweden mirror and now rpmdrake doesn't work, it stucks and its window remains open until reboot. How to fix this? Otherwise can not get updates? Or is there some command in Mdk like up2date in rh, or apt-get update in debian, what I can use in console? Tuija as root, urpmi.update -a ...will update all sources you've installed urpmi --auto-select ...will get the updates. Or better yet, urpmi.update -a --wget urpmi --auto-select Probly be a good idea to see 'man urpmi' ;) Most problems from this point on, IME, usually boil down to mirror problems. Sometimes waitin for the mirror to get fixed does it, sometimes you'll need to remove and re-install the sources. I like Software Sources Manager to do this. You can run it from the CL with 'edit-urpm-sources.pl' Hint: just type 'edit- ( and then hit the Tab key ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
Does anybody know what could be wrong and how to fix it? TIA, Just a shot in the dark, but have you tried rpm --rebuilddb? HTH Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 10:17, Damian Gatabria wrote: Does anybody know what could be wrong and how to fix it? TIA, Just a shot in the dark, but have you tried rpm --rebuilddb? HTH Damian I've had to do this before - so now I have a weekly cron job doing it - JUST in case. -- kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen katherine kuhn -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * Marge: Name one of your child's friends. Homer: Uh, let's see, Bart's friends ... Well, there's the fat kid with the thing; uh, the little wiener whose always got his hands in his pockets. Saturdays of Thunder Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake not showing manually installed packages ?
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:42:50 -0400 Zlatko Savic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering whether any packages that are installed manually by the user (i.e. tar, gzip, make, etc...) can be displayed as installed package The only way they will show up in the rpm db is if you use a program such as checkinstall to install them. Once you have checkinstall when you build a program from a gzip, etc., instead of using 'make install', you use 'checkinstall make install' checkinstall , after a few entries from you, will create and then install the package as an rpm. This rpm will then show up in your rpm db. in rpmdrake? I do not get it but maybe there is a way. The reason for this is simply because some rpm packages that I install using rpmdrake check their dependencies __IN___ rpmdrake ___only and always say that they are missing the packages Actually it checks the PATHs on your system for the required dependencies. The problem arises because the default installation dir and/or names used for resulting pkgs from most tgz, etc., is not the same as that used by mdk I installed manually. How can I avoid that problem? Use mdk rpms. There is a mdk.rpm for every depend given by any other mdk rpm. If you install from a tgz, etc., use checkinstall and build the pkg with --prefix=/xxx so that it will be installed with the same PATH that mdk would use. Charles --- Fortune's real live weird band names #594: Satan's Cheese -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake not showing manually installed packages ?
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:42:50 -0400 Zlatko Savic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering whether any packages that are installed manually by the user (i.e. tar, gzip, make, etc...) can be displayed as installed package The only way they will show up in the rpm db is if you use a program such as checkinstall to install them. Once you have checkinstall when you build a program from a gzip, etc., instead of using 'make install', you use 'checkinstall make install' checkinstall , after a few entries from you, will create and then install the package as an rpm. This rpm will then show up in your rpm db. in rpmdrake? I do not get it but maybe there is a way. The reason for this is simply because some rpm packages that I install using rpmdrake check their dependencies __IN___ rpmdrake ___only and always say that they are missing the packages Actually it checks the PATHs on your system for the required dependencies. The problem arises because the default installation dir and/or names used for resulting pkgs from most tgz, etc., is not the same as that used by mdk I installed manually. How can I avoid that problem? Use mdk rpms. There is a mdk.rpm for every depend given by any other mdk rpm. If you install from a tgz, etc., use checkinstall and build the pkg with --prefix=/xxx so that it will be installed with the same PATH that mdk would use. Charles --- Fortune's real live weird band names #594: Satan's Cheese -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake not showing manually installed packages ?
There is no way around it for packages you have already installed AFAIK, but next time you want to compile a package with ./configure make make install instead do ./configure make checkinstall (You must have the checkinstall RPM installed) checkinstall will turn your compiled code into an RPM and install the RPM for you :-) It is then easy to resolve dependencies or remove the application. If you compile your packages again, but this time using checkinstall, the same files will end up in the same places. derek On Friday 11 Oct 2002 2:42 pm, Zlatko Savic wrote: Hi, I was wondering whether any packages that are installed manually by the user (i.e. tar, gzip, make, etc...) can be displayed as installed package in rpmdrake? I do not get it but maybe there is a way. The reason for this is simply because some rpm packages that I install using rpmdrake check their dependencies __IN___ rpmdrake ___only and always say that they are missing the packages I installed manually. How can I avoid that problem? Regards, Zlatko Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmdrake not working
Dale Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (10/03/2002 10:58) Hi! I'm having trouble with rpmdrake, when I try to urpmi packages, the program hangs and when I try and install packages from graphical interface it seems to take forever, although they do eventually install. Can anyone explain the reason for this slowness? And tell me what I need to do to correct it. Please cc me a copy of email reply to my home address.. It's just general slowness of public mirror servers, for which there is no cure; Mandrake 9.0 and Red Hat 8.0 being issued within a week of one another has led to machines all round the world being reduced to iron filings as the CD images download ... slowly ;) An enhancement I'll suggest for 9.1 is that you can specify a server- specific timeout (if the server doesn't respond within N seconds, go on to the next server to get details from) as this timeout is, evidently, hardwired. To see what actually happens without the GUI hiding the details use the command line (as root): urpmi.update -a (to update all package lists from all servers); urpmi.update server (to update the package list from server server); urpmi --auto-select (to update all packages which are updateable). Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
