date:20030627

You need pygtk2.0-devel  but you would never guess from that error message.
I only found out by installing almost everything containing 'gtk'

derek


On Friday 27 Jun 2003 8:02 am, Eric Huff wrote:
 Ok, i am stumped, though i know it must be an easy answer.
 i am running a configure script and i get the following:


 Compiling /stuff/rpms_local/other/rox/Pager... please wait...
 creating cache ./config.cache
 checking that pkg-config runs... yes
 checking that gtk+-2.0 (version = 2.0.0) is installed... no
 configure: error: Package is not installed


 However, i have the following installed:

 Name: libgtk+2.0_0-devel
 Version: 2.2.1-2mdk
 Size: 8351 KB
 Source: main

 Name: libgtk+2.0_0
 Version: 2.2.1-2mdk
 Size: 181 KB


 I am unsure what to do, but i did try adding:

 /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk
 /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk
 /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/immodules

 to my ld.so.conf

 and ran ldconfig

 which did not help.

 pkg-config still won't find gtk. At the cli, i can't seem

 What do i need to install/configure to make this work?  I clearly have gtk
 because all the other things that need it run...

 Thanks,
 eric

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Re: [newbie] Printer virus problem

2003-06-27 Per discussione Robin Turner

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:36, Robin Turner wrote:

No, of course I haven't got a virus, but someone on our LAN has, and 
it's printing garbage (probably its own code) to my Samba printer. One 
line, one page, so we've got through two reams of paper this week. 
Short of updating virus definitions and scanning all our Windows boxes 
(eventually necessary, but a big job, especially since our institution 
is not subscribed for virus definiton updates) is there a way I can 
block this?

Sir Robin


Can't you simply blow out all the jobs for that printer, take the
printer offline, scan the network for the machine that's attempting to
communicate to your Samba printer and then blow it up?
Since the only machines with permissions to print to the Samba server 
are in our offices, I suspect the collateral damage would prove 
unpopular.  The other problem is that these bogus print jobs only come 
about once a day, so switching the printer off until we got one would 
not make me popular either, though it is an option.

What tools could I use to sniff for the offending computer?

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] Printer virus problem

On Friday 27 Jun 2003 10:17 am, Robin Turner wrote:
 Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:36, Robin Turner wrote:
 No, of course I haven't got a virus, but someone on our LAN has, and
 it's printing garbage (probably its own code) to my Samba printer. One
 line, one page, so we've got through two reams of paper this week.
 Short of updating virus definitions and scanning all our Windows boxes
 (eventually necessary, but a big job, especially since our institution
 is not subscribed for virus definiton updates) is there a way I can
 block this?
 
 Sir Robin
 
  Can't you simply blow out all the jobs for that printer, take the
  printer offline, scan the network for the machine that's attempting to
  communicate to your Samba printer and then blow it up?

 Since the only machines with permissions to print to the Samba server
 are in our offices, I suspect the collateral damage would prove
 unpopular.  The other problem is that these bogus print jobs only come
 about once a day, so switching the printer off until we got one would
 not make me popular either, though it is an option.

 What tools could I use to sniff for the offending computer?

 Sir Robin

How about looking at the log of print jobs. kjobviewer will help you.

derek

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Re: [newbie] Printer virus problem

2003-06-27 Per discussione Robin Turner

Derek Jennings wrote:
On Friday 27 Jun 2003 10:17 am, Robin Turner wrote:

Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:36, Robin Turner wrote:

No, of course I haven't got a virus, but someone on our LAN has, and
it's printing garbage (probably its own code) to my Samba printer. One
line, one page, so we've got through two reams of paper this week.
Short of updating virus definitions and scanning all our Windows boxes
(eventually necessary, but a big job, especially since our institution
is not subscribed for virus definiton updates) is there a way I can
block this?
Sir Robin
Can't you simply blow out all the jobs for that printer, take the
printer offline, scan the network for the machine that's attempting to
communicate to your Samba printer and then blow it up?
Since the only machines with permissions to print to the Samba server
are in our offices, I suspect the collateral damage would prove
unpopular.  The other problem is that these bogus print jobs only come
about once a day, so switching the printer off until we got one would
not make me popular either, though it is an option.
What tools could I use to sniff for the offending computer?

Sir Robin


How about looking at the log of print jobs. kjobviewer will help you.
I looked at kjobviewer, but it doesn't seem to have a history, just 
shows jobs in the queue.

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

Well all I can say is that I took particular care on my last M9.1 
install to try and find a skip lilo install facility, and if it's there 
I couldn't find it.

Part of the problem lies with the changed layout and method of install 
of DrakeX itself.
We did have a series of active tabs down the lefthand side of the 
installer window and in most cases it was possible to merely skip onto 
the next item on the list when install boot loader came up. this is now 
no longer possible. It insists on you at least entering the install 
bootloader programme, so I assumed there must be some way of clicking a 
cancell tab , but as I say I couldn't find one. Someone please inform me !

John

stormjumper wrote:

i'm not sure if this has been covered, but have you tried expert mode (or
text mode)?
i'm quite sure i've seen the option somewhere when installing 9.1, but it's
been some time since.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 03:03
Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

 

OK, But on the current release  M9.1 , where is the tab to not install
Lilo in the MBR or anywhere else for that matter. I have'nt noticed any
choice so far ?
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[newbie] hyper threading

2003-06-27 Per discussione tsyko

can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my hyper-threaded
machine?


Thanks in advance

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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

2003-06-27 Per discussione Joeb

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:45:45 +0100
John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well all I can say is that I took particular care on my last M9.1 
 install to try and find a skip lilo install facility, and if it's there 
 I couldn't find it.
 
 Part of the problem lies with the changed layout and method of install 
 of DrakeX itself.
 We did have a series of active tabs down the lefthand side of the 
 installer window and in most cases it was possible to merely skip onto 
 the next item on the list when install boot loader came up. this is now 
 no longer possible. It insists on you at least entering the install 
 bootloader programme, so I assumed there must be some way of clicking a 
 cancell tab , but as I say I couldn't find one. Someone please inform me !
 
 John
 

I'm thinking that you might need to use the expert mode to install MDK and not install 
LILO, but I'm not sure about that.  Just in case, that is not correct, make a backup 
copy of your existing lilo.conf and then do the install.  One of two things will 
happen.  Your new install will put lilo on the MBR of the new HD (meaning when your 
original mounts on reboot, your new one won't be there in the list, since the old lilo 
doesn't know about the new drive).  If that's the case, just add the lines to 
lilo.conf for your new drive, rerun lilo and reboot.  All should be fine.

On the other hand, your new install might overwrite the original MBR and you are now 
without your original lilo.conf.  If that is the case, add either add the lines to the 
new lilo.conf for your original drive or copy the backup of the lilo.conf back, edit 
it for the new drive.  Either way, run lilo before rebooting.

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Re: [newbie] Kernel configuration

2003-06-27 Per discussione Douglas Bainbridge

Noah,
Please don't hijack threads to post a query - it makes things very
confusing.The threads end up quite useless, as a random collection of messages .

Thanks,
DougB




On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 06:44, Noah A Hicks wrote:
 When someone says to use the following parameters to configure a kernel,
 how can this be implemented in makemenuconfig?
 CONFIG_APM=y
 # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set
 CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE=y
 # CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE is not set
 CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y
 
 Is this done by manually editing the configure script?  Just trying to
 figure out a website with kernel confige info for my hardware.
 
 Thanks
 Noah
 
 
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RE: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-27 Per discussione Frankie

yeh, that always amazes me... M$ claim that linux is a clone of a 20 year
old operating system.
what it doesn't mention is that they are copying what they see as all the
best bits of same 20 year OS.. no wonder they bought a SCO license.

I am amazed at the list of commands in windows that are almost a direct
ripoff of unix commands...

cracks me up..

and they have stated that they are envious of linux's modular nature whereby
not everything requires a reboot.. and now they add a command line version??

whats next? winux???


rgds


Franki

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?


On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:22:04 +0300
Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They don't need to - it's been point and click ever since NT came out.
 Though I hear the latest Windows server will have - gasp - a command
 line.  That'll confuse a lot of people.

Yes, M$ is going to implement a command line. They talk and bitch and
gripe about how *ni in archaic and lacks power and is difficult to use,
but they try to steal ideas and technology from *nix all the time.
Hypocritical two-faced lying bastards.

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Re: [newbie] checking that gtk+-2.0 (version = 2.0.0) isinstalled... no

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:37:50 +0100
Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 You need pygtk2.0-devel  but you would never guess from that error
 message. I only found out by installing almost everything containing
 'gtk'

Install pygtk from source, because otherwise it will force you to
uninstall the *ancient* Mandrake version. Apparently they are not
supposed to coexist, but I've had no probs. When you *do* install from
source tho, make sure you ./configure --prefix=/usr, or the ROX apps
will not find it.

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:23:03 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my hyper-threaded
 machine?

Ask it politely?

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Re: [newbie] checking that gtk+-2.0 (version = 2.0.0) isinstalled... no

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 17:02, Eric Huff wrote:
 Ok, i am stumped, though i know it must be an easy answer.
 i am running a configure script and i get the following:
 
 
 Compiling /stuff/rpms_local/other/rox/Pager... please wait...
 creating cache ./config.cache
 checking that pkg-config runs... yes
 checking that gtk+-2.0 (version = 2.0.0) is installed... no
 configure: error: Package is not installed
 

You can do a few things to try to get this working...

1.) When starting, do: ./configure --prefix=/usr
2.) Make links to the /usr/lib/gtk directories in the /usr/local/lib
directories (messy, but sometimes works)
3.) run pkg-config and point to the proper GTK lib directories

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Re: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

2003-06-27 Per discussione Tango Echo

Also, I could be wrong here, but the polling method
MAY be faulty.  I'm suspicious of Gentooers - maybe
this is what they do: Go to the site, place the vote,
clear the cookies, refresh the page, place the vote,
rinse and repeat...?  If you sit there and refresh the
page you'll notice at least 3 votes every 5 seconds -
steady stream or something else?  

Now if we see the Mandrake popularity go thru the roof
we'll know whats going on ;)


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 We have to put these things in perspective: it's not
 a scientific pol.,
 It may just be that more Gentoo types hang around
 Novell. And the
 Gentoo people probably told all their friends to
 vote to make it look
 more popular. How despicable :-D
 
 Miark
 
 
 
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 Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I was surprised that Gentoo is so popular.
  
  I've never used it myself and never had anybody
 ever recommend it to me
  either.
 
 
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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 22:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I tried but id didn't listen. Maybe I spoke into the wrong port?

Speak DIRECTLY into the mouse. Then it will listen.

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Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:39:13 +1000
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 Is there a problem with your mailer?  I seem to get a 'lot' of email
 here on this list from you that doesn't actually have anything from
 you in it.  It's as if you reply to an email and just click 'send'
 without adding anything of your own. Anything we can help you with
 maybe?

I've seen that too. It's not that he's not adding anything, it's that
his response shows up as quoted, so it appears he has said nothing. I've
always been curious myself, Aron, wassup wit dat?

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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:27:54 +0800
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 whats next? winux???

Thanks. I'm gonna have nightmares tonight...

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

2003-06-27 Per discussione tsyko

JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:23:03 +0200
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  can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my hyper-threaded
  machine?
 
 Ask it politely?

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RE: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 21:27, Frankie wrote:
 yeh, that always amazes me... M$ claim that linux is a clone of a 20 year
 old operating system.

For all intents and purposes, Windows basic layout ain't changed since
1993; and they're re-using code that's even older - from 1991...hmm...go
figure...

...and if something lasts for 20-30 years, there's got to be something
good about it, don't ya reckon?

UNIX = multi-user OS that developed from a multi-user OS
WindowsNT = pseudo-multi-user OS developed from a single-user OS

(and I stress PSEUDO because it does not multi-task as does *NIX or
variants thereof)

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Re: [newbie] Enemy Territory problems

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 14:35, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 I just d/l'ed this game, 258 megs, and I can't get it to install on 2 out of 3 
 machines.

Have you checked the connection between the chair and the keyboard?

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 21:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my hyper-threaded
 machine?
 Thanks in advance
 Tsyko
 LINUX ROCKS

Sadly, it probably isn't.
Are you running kernel 2.5.X ?

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Re: [newbie] Printer virus problem

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 19:17, Robin Turner wrote:

 Since the only machines with permissions to print to the Samba server 
 are in our offices, I suspect the collateral damage would prove 
 unpopular.  The other problem is that these bogus print jobs only come 
 about once a day, so switching the printer off until we got one would 
 not make me popular either, though it is an option.
 
 What tools could I use to sniff for the offending computer?
 
 Sir Robin

Last time I had this problem it was a Windows machine using the wrong
driver printing to a Samba printer - the print job was hung in the
spooler on the Windows machine, and had to be blown out from there. I
used Ethereal to determine the IP addy.

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Re[2]: [newbie] Printer virus problem

Hello Stephen,

Friday, June 27, 2003, 5:18:45 AM, you wrote:

SK On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 19:17, Robin Turner wrote:

 Since the only machines with permissions to print to the Samba server 
 are in our offices, I suspect the collateral damage would prove 
 unpopular.  The other problem is that these bogus print jobs only come 
 about once a day, so switching the printer off until we got one would 
 not make me popular either, though it is an option.

SK Last time I had this problem it was a Windows machine using the wrong
SK driver printing to a Samba printer - the print job was hung in the
SK spooler on the Windows machine, and had to be blown out from there. I
SK used Ethereal to determine the IP addy.

I had this problem on a Win-only local net, with an Epson printer. The
symptoms were a short line on each page, and a huge number of pages.
The data was transferred to the printer buffer and the only solution
was to shut off the printer. If it was a large print job, there was
still garbage remaining on the source computer too, and that had to be
flushed as well, otherwise it would continue if the printer was
restarted.

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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

Joeb wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:45:45 +0100
John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm thinking that you might need to use the expert mode to install MDK and not install LILO, but I'm not sure about that.

Joeb, I always use expert mode, only way to get choices.

Just in case, that is not correct, make a backup copy of your existing lilo.conf

Oh , sure I can do that, and usually do, since it's easier to copy and
paste script than rememeber all the individual lines.

and then do the install. One of two things will happen. Your new install will put lilo on the MBR of the new HD (meaning when your original mounts on reboot, your new one won't be there in the list, since the old lilo doesn't know about the new drive). If that's the case, just add the lines to lilo.conf for your new drive, rerun lilo and reboot.

Oh sure I know how to do all this, no problemo.

All should be fine.

On the other hand, your new install might overwrite the original MBR and you are now without your original lilo.conf.

that's right. and the new lilo install is mapped to the wrong /etc/lilo.conf

If that is the case, add either add the lines to the new lilo.conf for your original drive or copy the backup of the lilo.conf back, edit it for the new drive. Either way, run lilo before rebooting.

well yes but it leaves me the wrong way round, in escence I'm booting
form the wrong /etc/lilo.conf on the gash experimental OS , when I want
to be booting from the /etc/lilo.conf of the original first M9.1 install.

Is It possible to restore the original lilo install , the one mapped to
the first M9.1 /etc/lilo.conf ? You see I don't know how to do that
with the F1-rescue- install new boot loader when you have 2 identicle
M9.1 OS's for it to choose from. Suppose I were to bastardise the wrong
/etc/lilo.conf and leave it rejected in the /sbin/lilo check.
Maybe that would cause the CD1 f1-rescue-install new bootloader with no
other choice but to work with the correct /etc/lilo.conf. Dunno ? what
do you think ?

John

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Re[2]: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

Hello Miark,

Thursday, June 26, 2003, 2:55:26 PM, you wrote:

M but they try to steal ideas and technology from *nix all the time.

M$ calls it 'innovation'.

M Hypocritical two-faced lying bastards.

Of course. This is M$, remember? They are the Taliban of the software
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Re: [newbie] Enemy Territory problems

2003-06-27 Per discussione Troy Davidson

What computer did you download the game to?  If it was the one that
installed correctly, maybe when you transferred the file to the other
computers it became corrupt.

Troy Davidson 
Linux User #311107

** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer **


Quoting Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I just d/l'ed this game, 258 megs, and I can't get it to install on 2 out
 of 3 
 machines.
 
 It installs just fine on my 9 yr olds comp:
 
 900mhz Athlon T-bird, Nvidia 2, 384 megs Ram
 
 Won't install on my 12 yr olds:
 
 1.3 gig Duron, Nvidia 2, 384 megs Ram
 
 or mine:
 
 Athlon XP2100, Nvidia Ti4200, 512 megs Ram
 
 This is the message we are getting on both machines:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scripts]# sh et-linux-2.55.x86.run 
 Verifying archive integrity... All good.
 Uncompressing Enemy Territory 2.55Extraction failed.
 Signal caught, cleaning up
 
 Any ideas? Thanks.
 
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[newbie] Sound working! How to load at boot up?

2003-06-27 Per discussione Grant

I got the ESS Maestro sound card working on my Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop
last night.  All I have to enter now to make it work is:

modprobe snd-es1968;modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe snd-mixer-oss;modprobe
snd-seq-oss

and then raise the aumix volume.  What can I do to have the above take
place at boot up so I don't have to enter it each time?  The ALSA docs
mention adding this to modules.conf:

# ALSA portion
alias char-major-116 snd
alias snd-card-0 snd-es1968
# module options should go here

# OSS/Free portion
alias char-major-14 soundcore
alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0

# card #1
alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss

but I'm not even sure if that code is supposed to make it load at boot up or
not.  I did add it and there isn't any difference.  Can someone help me out
with this?

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Re: [newbie] checking that gtk+-2.0 (version = 2.0.0) isinstalled... no

2003-06-27 Per discussione Eric Huff

Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You need pygtk2.0-devel  but you would never guess from that error message.
 I only found out by installing almost everything containing 'gtk'

This pkg-config is a strange program indeed:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] huff]$ pkg-config --list-all
gdk  GDK - GIMP Drawing Kit
gmodule  GModule - Dynamic module loader for GLib
gnome-mime-data-2.0  gnome-mime-data - Base set of file types and applications for 
GNOME
glib GLib - C Utility Library
gmodule-2.0  GModule - Dynamic module loader for GLib
fontconfig   Fontconfig - Font configuration and customization library
libxml-2.0   libXML - libXML library version2.
Package gdk-x11-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gdk-x11-2.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
Package 'gdk-x11-2.0', required by 'GTK+', not found


I just asked it to --list-all, and it gives me an error.  Maybe it's pkg-config that 
needs the pygtk2.0-devel package?

Anyway, thanks for all the help.  I'll try it out tonite after work and report back.  
Then i'll add it to my growing list of Things you'll probably have to do when 
installing on a new machine.  

Thanks!
eric

  Compiling /stuff/rpms_local/other/rox/Pager... please wait...
  creating cache ./config.cache
  checking that pkg-config runs... yes
  checking that gtk+-2.0 (version = 2.0.0) is installed... no
  configure: error: Package is not installed

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Re: [newbie] Enemy Territory problems

2003-06-27 Per discussione Ronald J. Hall

On Friday 27 June 2003 08:09 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 14:35, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
  I just d/l'ed this game, 258 megs, and I can't get it to install on 2 out
  of 3 machines.

 Have you checked the connection between the chair and the keyboard?

As I told you before, I checked and yes, the A$$ socket is firmly planted in 
place and operational!

 :-)

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Re: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

Use the Chicago method Vote early and often
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 05:20, Tango Echo wrote:
 Also, I could be wrong here, but the polling method
 MAY be faulty.  I'm suspicious of Gentooers - maybe
 this is what they do: Go to the site, place the vote,
 clear the cookies, refresh the page, place the vote,
 rinse and repeat...?  If you sit there and refresh the
 page you'll notice at least 3 votes every 5 seconds -
 steady stream or something else?  
 
 Now if we see the Mandrake popularity go thru the roof
 we'll know whats going on ;)
 
 
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  a scientific pol.,
  It may just be that more Gentoo types hang around
  Novell. And the
  Gentoo people probably told all their friends to
  vote to make it look
  more popular. How despicable :-D
  
  Miark
  
  
  
  On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:00:59 +0100 Inhabitant of
  Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I was surprised that Gentoo is so popular.
   
   I've never used it myself and never had anybody
  ever recommend it to me
   either.
  
  
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Re: [newbie] Enemy Territory problems

2003-06-27 Per discussione Ronald J. Hall

On Friday 27 June 2003 10:11 am, Troy Davidson wrote:
 What computer did you download the game to?  If it was the one that
 installed correctly, maybe when you transferred the file to the other
 computers it became corrupt.

 Troy Davidson
 Linux User #311107

I wish. It installed fine on the last computer I transferred it to, via NFS.

Only thing in common (which really doesn't add up) with the 2 comps that it 
did not work on, is that both have Soyo MBs.

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Re: [newbie] mail list

2003-06-27 Per discussione dlwiggers

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:58:23 -0400
Paul M. Bucalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

big snip

Thanks Paul

Lee Wiggers


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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 05:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:23:03 +0200
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  
   can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my hyper-threaded
   machine?
  
  Ask it politely?
 
 I tried but id didn't listen. Maybe I spoke into the wrong port?
Well you could threaten it with winXP.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [newbie] Sound working! How to load at boot up?

2003-06-27 Per discussione Rebecca Willby


 and then raise the aumix volume.  

If you are using KDE have you tried removing aumix and adding the stuff  to 
modules.conf?

I would consider ditching aumix and using kmix instead.  

 - Grant
 

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Re: [newbie] Sound working! How to load at boot up?

2003-06-27 Per discussione Paul

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 17:32, Grant wrote:
 I got the ESS Maestro sound card working on my Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop
 last night.  All I have to enter now to make it work is:
 
 modprobe snd-es1968;modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe snd-mixer-oss;modprobe
 snd-seq-oss
 
 and then raise the aumix volume.  What can I do to have the above take
 place at boot up so I don't have to enter it each time?  The ALSA docs

You can add that to /etc/rc.local
To get aumix loading properly, add
aumix -L

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Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 05:04, JoeHill wrote:
 On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:39:13 +1000
 Trevor Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 
  Is there a problem with your mailer?  I seem to get a 'lot' of email
  here on this list from you that doesn't actually have anything from
  you in it.  It's as if you reply to an email and just click 'send'
  without adding anything of your own. Anything we can help you with
  maybe?
 
 I've seen that too. It's not that he's not adding anything, it's that
 his response shows up as quoted, so it appears he has said nothing. I've
 always been curious myself, Aron, wassup wit dat?
Dat is what I would like to find out theO/S is smarter than I am. ;-o


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RE: [newbie] Enemy Territory problems

2003-06-27 Per discussione Tony S. Sykes

You have checked the permissions I take it?

Tony.

-Original Message-
From: Ronald J. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Enemy Territory problems

On Friday 27 June 2003 08:09 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 14:35, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
  I just d/l'ed this game, 258 megs, and I can't get it to install on
2 out
  of 3 machines.

 Have you checked the connection between the chair and the keyboard?

As I told you before, I checked and yes, the A$$ socket is firmly
planted in 
place and operational!

 :-)

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Re: [newbie] Enemy Territory problems

2003-06-27 Per discussione Ronald J. Hall

On Friday 27 June 2003 12:44 pm, Tony S. Sykes wrote:
 You have checked the permissions I take it?

 Tony.

Hi Tony. Yes, I made it exec. by all. On 2 out of 3 comps, it quit out with 
the same error. It installed correctly on the oldest one (900mhz Athlon) 
using Mandrake d/l edition v9.0.

It would not install on Mandrake v9.0 boxed set on 1, and Mandrake d/l edition 
v9.1 on another. Doesn't seem to be anything common there, does it?

Anyways, I got around it - I used NFS and copied the installed directory from 
the machine it installed on over to the other 2.

Its not that big, so I'll burn a backup CD of it, after installation.

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

On 26 Jun 2003 21:11:11 -0700
Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 Well you could threaten it with winXP.

NO! It could suicide on you...I've seen it happen.

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

At 01:26 PM 6/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On 26 Jun 2003 21:11:11 -0700
Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 Well you could threaten it with winXP.

NO! It could suicide on you...I've seen it happen.

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ROFL !  the nuts strikes again.

thx for the giggles Joe. :)
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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

FemmeFatale wrote:

At 10:45 AM 6/27/2003 +0100, you wrote:

Well all I can say is that I took particular care on my last M9.1 
install to try and find a skip lilo install facility, and if it's 
there I couldn't find it.

Part of the problem lies with the changed layout and method of 
install of DrakeX itself.
We did have a series of active tabs down the lefthand side of the 
installer window and in most cases it was possible to merely skip 
onto the next item on the list when install boot loader came up. this 
is now no longer possible. It insists on you at least entering the 
install bootloader programme, so I assumed there must be some way of 
clicking a cancell tab , but as I say I couldn't find one. Someone 
please inform me !

John


Did you try writing this to floppy instead? Thus satisying LILO  in 
essence skipping writing to your MBR?
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FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt

No I didn't Femme, is that a way to prevent lilo being written then ?

John

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Re: [newbie] OT, new game for linux ppl!

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:16:17 -0600
FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 adding bots

i never even thought to check that out...! that would be cool.

I'll look at it as soon as this cd finishes burning...

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Re: [newbie] checking that gtk+-2.0 (version = 2.0.0) is installed... no

At 08:31 AM 6/27/2003 -0700, you wrote:

I just asked it to --list-all, and it gives me an error.  Maybe it's 
pkg-config that needs the pygtk2.0-devel package?

Anyway, thanks for all the help.  I'll try it out tonite after work and 
report back.  Then i'll add it to my growing list of Things you'll 
probably have to do when installing on a new machine.

Thanks!
eric
Fair warning:  AFAIK Pygtk needs a boatload of deps... I mean a HUGE amount 
of them.  Don't know why...its a sore spot with some pythoners I understand 
too.
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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

At 10:45 AM 6/27/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Well all I can say is that I took particular care on my last M9.1 install 
to try and find a skip lilo install facility, and if it's there I couldn't 
find it.

Part of the problem lies with the changed layout and method of install of 
DrakeX itself.
We did have a series of active tabs down the lefthand side of the 
installer window and in most cases it was possible to merely skip onto the 
next item on the list when install boot loader came up. this is now no 
longer possible. It insists on you at least entering the install 
bootloader programme, so I assumed there must be some way of clicking a 
cancell tab , but as I say I couldn't find one. Someone please inform me !

John


Did you try writing this to floppy instead? Thus satisying LILO  in 
essence skipping writing to your MBR?
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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

2003-06-27 Per discussione Charlie

quoting Michael; Friday 27 June 2003 02:06 pm:
whack

i threatened win98 with complete removal and 100% switch to linux when it
started giving me problems the other day. guess what it did

completely 100% encouraged me beyond a shadow of a doubt to make the
switch. as of right now, win media player and any audio file i have saved
on the computer will NOT play in windows, but gee, switch over to linux and
it's FINE! sound card is starting to give me problems in windows, but it's
working OK in linux (and my mobo getting up to 121 degrees the other day
sure didn't help matters either, had tons of problems that day).

and to try to correct the problems with windows, i insert the install CD
and try to do a full install with format...it stops before it even gets to
the install to tell me i don't have enough virtural memory to continue.
ok, lemme get this straight, an 800mhz Asus mobo, AMD 950 processor, 768mb
of ram, no programs running while i try to do the install, and i don't have
enough memory?! guess win98 didn't take the linux threat lightly!

Windows 9X (95, 98, 98SE, and ME) series won't install at all, or run for that
matter, when there's more than 512 MB memory TOTAL (too many people forgot
that Windows counts memory on video cards in that total) available without
some severe sweet talking. Sometimes Win2K even has trouble.

It's been a long time (3+ years) since I've had a Windows install of my own or
had to help anyone with one, but the workaround for running with that much
memory should still be in the Windows Knowledge Base or whatever oxymoronic
name they called it.

Yeah here it is. Word wrap will probably kill the link, it's all one line
though:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q253/9/12.aspNoWebContent=1

Take out enough memory to get below the limit and the trouble should go away.
Or just reclaim the disk space for Mandrake as I did. g

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Re: [newbie] make install

On Friday 27 Jun 2003 11:05 pm, Tsyko wrote:
 probably a very stupid question but if i don´t ask i won´t learn


 If i type ´make install´ to install a application is there a way to
 uninstall that program?

 thanks

make uninstall

Trouble is authors do not always define make uninstall, and even if they do 
you have to keep the directory you used to compile the application for when 
you might want to uninstall.

My preferred solution is to use 'checkinstall' to convert the compiled code 
into an RPM which can easily be uninstalled at a future date.
Checkinstall is on the CDs (or is it in contrib)
http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/

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[newbie] How do you do

I know that this sounds pre newbie but how do I take a screen from a
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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

2003-06-27 Per discussione Phares

I have two XP boxes, Two OSx boxes, one OS9 laptop,
one OS 8 server, One win2000 laptop, a 4 machine linux
cluster, and a playstation 2 on my home Lan, the only
issue I've noticed is that my power bills can get
pretty expensive. (Luckily half the computers are my
roomies)

No interbreeding yet.

The cluster however talks quietly behind my back about
how to destroy my pet fish... I just know it.




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 bring up some troubling
 issues.
 
 On me little home network here I've got seven
 machines, three Linux, two XP,
 one Win 2000 and
 this scrawny little p133 laptop I'm writing on with
 Win 98.
 
 Do I have to worry about interbreeding across the
 LAN?! Anxiously awaiting
 your instrucions.
 
 Peace,
 Mike Wafkowski
 
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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [newbie] hyper threading
 
 
  At 01:26 PM 6/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
  On 26 Jun 2003 21:11:11 -0700
  Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  
Well you could threaten it with winXP.
  
  NO! It could suicide on you...I've seen it
 happen.
  
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  ROFL !  the nuts strikes again.
 
  thx for the giggles Joe. :)
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Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive

Johan Scheepers wrote:

Hi John
The drive you are using is it live or clean?
Not sure what you mean. I have a 40gig maxtor . just the one.

I am reasonably sure that if your first istall will write its detections to
MBR

sure.

and the second install will overwrite MBR with its own detections.

sure it will

The
last install will activate its own flavour and maybe will have problem with
first install - that you can correct using the examples I posted.
ok.

OK I have a spare drive I will experiment over the weekend.
install dos
install mdk9.1 expert mode but let it write MBR.
install mdk9.1 auto mode
Make copies of lilo.conf of both installations.
Will check for lilo not to install
Did mine in auto - I am sure mdk9.0 has has that option.
I will do this just for the expspeariance.
Johan

I would like to do the second M9.1 install and be sure NOT to install a
lilo anywhere, but so far I haven't seen any means by which you can skip
the lilo install on current M9.1 install discs.
Then use the lilo of the first M9.1 install, and it's link with
/etc/lilo.conf in the first M9.1 OS, to enter a stanza to boot the
second M9.1 OS, but I'm not at all confident that ,
a) I can skip the second lilo install,
b) That the lilo of the first install will not get confused which of the
two /etc/lilo.conf scripts now available to it, and end up reading the
wrong lilo.conf script, the one from the second M9.1 install.
Am I assured this will not happen ? How does Lilo map itself to
/etc/lilo.conf, will it find the correct partition to read lilo.conf ?
when you have two identicle M9.1 on the same drive ?
I just wonder how lilo maps lilo.conf ?

I am guessing that it is merely set up to look for an /etc/lilo.conf in
/ partition, but that would be risky, it might find the /etc/lilo.conf
of any old linux OS, so there must be something more to make certain of
it. I suppose, when lilo is installed, it maps the partition table and
is told to look for a /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hd(x) where x is the
partition in question. So that would be all right then. That makes sure
it doesn't pick the wrong one.
In which case it's just a question of making sure lilo does not get
installed on the second M9.1 install, anyone know for sure how to do
that, because so far I haven't noticed how to do it on the current
version of drakeX.
John

Now that would indeed be very kind of you as I don't want to sod up what I've just spend days configuring, and I don't have a spare machine to experiment with right now. This whole thing must have a simple solution, I just cannot believe people haven't solved the problem by now. I am guessing in the past when you could easily skip the second lilo /mbr install it was just as simple as that, but do prove me wrong.

john

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Re[2]: [newbie] hyper threading

Hello MWafkowski,

Friday, June 27, 2003, 12:45:34 PM, you wrote:

M Do I have to worry about interbreeding across the LAN?! Anxiously
M awaiting your instrucions.

Watch out for the Win machines. In adhering to M$'s basic principles,
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Re: [newbie] checking that gtk+-2.0 (version = 2.0.0) isinstalled... no

2003-06-27 Per discussione Todd Slater

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:01:55 -0400
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:37:50 +0100
 Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 
  You need pygtk2.0-devel  but you would never guess from that error
  message. I only found out by installing almost everything containing
  'gtk'
 
 Install pygtk from source, because otherwise it will force you to
 uninstall the *ancient* Mandrake version. Apparently they are not
 supposed to coexist, but I've had no probs. When you *do* install from
 source tho, make sure you ./configure --prefix=/usr, or the ROX apps
 will not find it.

OK I'm totally late in this thread but pygtk and ROX rang a bell, I
remember needing pygtk to run ROX Wallpaper and not being able to
compile pygtk. This message might help:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbiem=104967089120371w=2

or it might be totally useless. :)

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Re: [newbie] checking that gtk+-2.0 (version = 2.0.0) is installed... no

On Friday 27 Jun 2003 11:01 pm, Todd Slater wrote:
 On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:01:55 -0400

 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:37:50 +0100
 
  Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
   You need pygtk2.0-devel  but you would never guess from that error
   message. I only found out by installing almost everything containing
   'gtk'
 
  Install pygtk from source, because otherwise it will force you to
  uninstall the *ancient* Mandrake version. Apparently they are not
  supposed to coexist, but I've had no probs. When you *do* install from
  source tho, make sure you ./configure --prefix=/usr, or the ROX apps
  will not find it.

 OK I'm totally late in this thread but pygtk and ROX rang a bell, I
 remember needing pygtk to run ROX Wallpaper and not being able to
 compile pygtk. This message might help:
 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbiem=104967089120371w=2

 or it might be totally useless. :)

 Todd

The Rox pager will compile OK if you install pygtk2, but then it will remove 
draksync which requires pygtk0.6 At the moment I am simply living without 
draksync. But there is a package called pygtk-wrapper which supposedly allows 
you to have both versions of pygtk installed at once. I have not tried it, 
and have no idea how to use it.

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Re[2]: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

Hello Robin,

Friday, June 27, 2003, 1:53:54 PM, you wrote:

RT Watch what you say about the Taliban, mate.  They might not take
RT too kindly to being compared with Microsoft ;-)

True. :-) Hitler maybe? After all, M$ is a master of Nazi propaganda
techniques. Naaahhh - there are still fans of the Nazis around. Can't
use them either.

Ghengis Khan maybe? Perhaps not - even he may still have 'friends'.

I guess it will have to be Ooga-Ooga.

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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

At 07:43 PM 6/27/2003 +0100, you wrote:

Did you try writing this to floppy instead? Thus satisying LILO  in 
essence skipping writing to your MBR?
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No I didn't Femme, is that a way to prevent lilo being written then ?

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Prevents it from being written to the MBR of your hard drive Yes.  It will 
write Lilo to the floppy's MBR tho  if you need to copy it from there to a 
relevant partition  change it to reflect new pointers you can.  Simple  
elegant solution IMO.  You can do this with a disk-on-key too if need be ofc.

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Re: [newbie] How do you do

2003-06-27 Per discussione Rob Blomquist

On Friday 27 June 2003 02:57 am, Aron Smith wrote:
 I know that this sounds pre newbie but how do I take a screen from a
 root terminal session and print it for further study?

All you need to do is highlight the text with your mouse, then right click the 
screen to reveal a context window, and choose copy. Then paste it to any text 
editor.

The other way is to run a command line like this:
the_command_line_writes_the_text  ~/outputfilename That will send the 
output to a text file of the outputfilename.

Rob

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Re: [newbie] How do you do

2003-06-27 Per discussione Chris

On Friday 27 June 2003 06:37 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote:
 On Friday 27 June 2003 02:57 am, Aron Smith wrote:
  I know that this sounds pre newbie but how do I take a screen from a
  root terminal session and print it for further study?

 All you need to do is highlight the text with your mouse, then right click
 the screen to reveal a context window, and choose copy. Then paste it to
 any text editor.

 The other way is to run a command line like this:
 the_command_line_writes_the_text  ~/outputfilename That will send the
 output to a text file of the outputfilename.

Possibly easier way, highlight txt, then ctrl c to copy txt to buffer,  open 
up txt file, ctrl v to paste txt into file or email or whatever you choose. 
At least it is for me.

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Re: [newbie] How do you do

2003-06-27 Per discussione Greg Meyer

On Friday 27 June 2003 08:09 pm, Chris wrote:
 On Friday 27 June 2003 06:37 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote:
  On Friday 27 June 2003 02:57 am, Aron Smith wrote:
   I know that this sounds pre newbie but how do I take a screen from a
   root terminal session and print it for further study?
 
  All you need to do is highlight the text with your mouse, then right
  click the screen to reveal a context window, and choose copy. Then paste
  it to any text editor.
 
  The other way is to run a command line like this:
  the_command_line_writes_the_text  ~/outputfilename That will send the
  output to a text file of the outputfilename.

 Possibly easier way, highlight txt, then ctrl c to copy txt to buffer, 
 open up txt file, ctrl v to paste txt into file or email or whatever you
 choose. At least it is for me.

easiest way by example

ls  ls.txt

This produces a text file named ls.txt with the output of the ls command.  
Replace the ls in my example with anything that creates text output, and name 
the output file anything you want.
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Re: [newbie] How do you do

Thanks Gang 
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 17:17, Greg Meyer wrote:
 On Friday 27 June 2003 08:09 pm, Chris wrote:
  On Friday 27 June 2003 06:37 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote:
   On Friday 27 June 2003 02:57 am, Aron Smith wrote:
I know that this sounds pre newbie but how do I take a screen from a
root terminal session and print it for further study?
  
   All you need to do is highlight the text with your mouse, then right
   click the screen to reveal a context window, and choose copy. Then paste
   it to any text editor.
  
   The other way is to run a command line like this:
   the_command_line_writes_the_text  ~/outputfilename That will send the
   output to a text file of the outputfilename.
 
  Possibly easier way, highlight txt, then ctrl c to copy txt to buffer, 
  open up txt file, ctrl v to paste txt into file or email or whatever you
  choose. At least it is for me.
 
 easiest way by example
 
 ls  ls.txt
 
 This produces a text file named ls.txt with the output of the ls command.  
 Replace the ls in my example with anything that creates text output, and name 
 the output file anything you want.


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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 15:55, rikona wrote:
 Hello Robin,
 
 Friday, June 27, 2003, 1:53:54 PM, you wrote:
 
 RT Watch what you say about the Taliban, mate.  They might not take
 RT too kindly to being compared with Microsoft ;-)
 
 True. :-) Hitler maybe? After all, M$ is a master of Nazi propaganda
 techniques. Naaahhh - there are still fans of the Nazis around. Can't
 use them either.
 
 Ghengis Khan maybe? Perhaps not - even he may still have 'friends'.
 
 I guess it will have to be Ooga-Ooga.
Perhaps Ming the Merciless? Naw he's head of MicroSuxs Marketing.


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Re: [newbie] How do you do

2003-06-27 Per discussione Rob Blomquist

On Friday 27 June 2003 05:09 pm, Chris wrote:
 On Friday 27 June 2003 06:37 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote:
  On Friday 27 June 2003 02:57 am, Aron Smith wrote:
   I know that this sounds pre newbie but how do I take a screen from a
   root terminal session and print it for further study?
 
  All you need to do is highlight the text with your mouse, then right
  click the screen to reveal a context window, and choose copy. Then paste
  it to any text editor.
 
  The other way is to run a command line like this:
  the_command_line_writes_the_text  ~/outputfilename That will send the
  output to a text file of the outputfilename.

 Possibly easier way, highlight txt, then ctrl c to copy txt to buffer, 
 open up txt file, ctrl v to paste txt into file or email or whatever you
 choose. At least it is for me.

That won't work. The ctrl-C will be taken as a command to end the program that 
was started. You will need to pull down a copy command from the XTerm window.

Rob

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

At 03:04 PM 6/27/2003 -0700, you wrote:
I have two XP boxes, Two OSx boxes, one OS9 laptop,
one OS 8 server, One win2000 laptop, a 4 machine linux
cluster, and a playstation 2 on my home Lan, the only
issue I've noticed is that my power bills can get
pretty expensive. (Luckily half the computers are my
roomies)
No interbreeding yet.

The cluster however talks quietly behind my back about
how to destroy my pet fish... I just know it.
laff.. u guys are good today... tho it may be just cause i started my 
torture sessions again..

Ed: watch this space in the coming weeks so you too can again ignore 
TV!  Tune in next time for more adventures with Femme On Morphine! :D

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Re: [newbie] How do you do

2003-06-27 Per discussione Chris


  Possibly easier way, highlight txt, then ctrl c to copy txt to buffer,
  open up txt file, ctrl v to paste txt into file or email or whatever you
  choose. At least it is for me.

 That won't work. The ctrl-C will be taken as a command to end the program
 that was started. You will need to pull down a copy command from the XTerm
 window.

 Rob

True, but if you scroll back in the term you can usually highlight all you 
want to copy or you can configure the history for more lines.

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[newbie] MS to investors: SCO is a good bet!


http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/Articles/StockPicks/P50807.asp

LOL, they really have no shame.

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

2003-06-27 Per discussione Michael

On Friday 27 June 2003 05:39 pm, Charlie wrote:

 Windows 9X (95, 98, 98SE, and ME) series won't install at all, or run for
 that matter, when there's more than 512 MB memory TOTAL (too many people
 forgot that Windows counts memory on video cards in that total) available
 without some severe sweet talking. Sometimes Win2K even has trouble.


wow, and i was told that win98 just wouldn't use more than 512mb of ram.  
that's why i was shocked when i added a 512 stick to the mobo and it actually 
ran for a few days before it started giving me problems.

 I Windows Knowledge Base or whatever
 oxymoronic name they called it.


you got that right


 Yeah here it is. Word wrap will probably kill the link, it's all one line
 though:

 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com
:80/support/kb/articles/q253/9/12.aspNoWebContent=1



i'm going to try that out and see if i can fix the problem w/out having to 
remove the ram.  see below.

 Take out enough memory to get below the limit and the trouble should go
 away. Or just reclaim the disk space for Mandrake as I did. g


not ready to get rid of windows yet.  i'm just starting with linux and my wife 
has a hard enough time with windows, let alone moving her to linux and 
confusing her even more.  maybe after i take basiclinux i'll be more 
comfortable scrapping windows 100%, but we'll see.  i'm in no way a 
programmer nor do i have any knowledge of programming, so windows is my 
backup if i make a mistake in linux that i can't fix.  Thanks for the link!


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Re: Re[4]: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 20:03, rikona wrote:
 Hello Aron,
 
 Friday, June 27, 2003, 5:55:36 AM, you wrote:
 
  I guess it will have to be Ooga-Ooga.
 
 AS Perhaps Ming the Merciless? Naw he's head of MicroSuxs Marketing.
 
 Watch out - he may have friends too. Go wa back to Ooga-Ooga.
 He was the most evil, despicable cave man to ever walk the face of the
 earth up to that time. Archaeologists are still trying to find out
 more about him. One of his well-used stone knives has very strange
 markings on it. It's a bit like a crude waving flag - even has a few
 specks of color still on it: red, green, yellow, and blue. Nearby are
 four lines, joined at the ends, a bit like the shape of a crude M or
 W. Archaeologists are quite puzzled by it..
Oh! yes I remember him didn't he invent Government aka Gimme most of
your worldly goods and I wont't throw you in the Saber tooth Pit?
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Re: [newbie] MS to investors: SCO is a good bet!

2003-06-27 Per discussione Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:46:06 -0400, JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/Articles/StockPicks/P50807.asp
 
 LOL, they really have no shame.

We've got a writeup about this at PCLinuxOnline:

  http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7039

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

2003-06-27 Per discussione Charlie

quoting Michael; Friday 27 June 2003 08:43 pm:
 On Friday 27 June 2003 05:39 pm, Charlie wrote:
  Windows 9X (95, 98, 98SE, and ME) series won't install at all, or run for
  that matter, when there's more than 512 MB memory TOTAL (too many people
  forgot that Windows counts memory on video cards in that total) available
  without some severe sweet talking. Sometimes Win2K even has trouble.

 wow, and i was told that win98 just wouldn't use more than 512mb of ram.
 that's why i was shocked when i added a 512 stick to the mobo and it
 actually ran for a few days before it started giving me problems.

  I Windows Knowledge Base or whatever
  oxymoronic name they called it.

 you got that right

  Yeah here it is. Word wrap will probably kill the link, it's all one line
  though:
 
  http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.c
 om
 
 :80/support/kb/articles/q253/9/12.aspNoWebContent=1

 i'm going to try that out and see if i can fix the problem w/out having to
 remove the ram.  see below.

  Take out enough memory to get below the limit and the trouble should go
  away. Or just reclaim the disk space for Mandrake as I did. g

 not ready to get rid of windows yet.  i'm just starting with linux and my
 wife has a hard enough time with windows, let alone moving her to linux and
 confusing her even more.  maybe after i take basiclinux i'll be more
 comfortable scrapping windows 100%, but we'll see.  i'm in no way a
 programmer nor do i have any knowledge of programming, so windows is my
 backup if i make a mistake in linux that i can't fix.  Thanks for the
 link!


 Mike

You're welcome.

Yep, you're quick Mike. ;-) That's why the suggestion was posted as an 
either/or. There are valid reasons to have the option to boot more than one 
operating system and GNU/Linux is about opening up options; not limiting 
them. The choices are all yours.

Making a mess that seems not fixable, and learning how not to make such 
mistakes, is what this list is about. Believe it or not there will come a 
time, probably very soon, when you'll even understand how to fix *those* 
seemingly unfixable mistakes. When that day comes you'll wonder what the 
panic was, and you'll have begun to be truly free. 

In a computing sense at least.

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Re[4]: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

Hello Aron,

Friday, June 27, 2003, 5:55:36 AM, you wrote:

 I guess it will have to be Ooga-Ooga.

AS Perhaps Ming the Merciless? Naw he's head of MicroSuxs Marketing.

Watch out - he may have friends too. Go wa back to Ooga-Ooga.
He was the most evil, despicable cave man to ever walk the face of the
earth up to that time. Archaeologists are still trying to find out
more about him. One of his well-used stone knives has very strange
markings on it. It's a bit like a crude waving flag - even has a few
specks of color still on it: red, green, yellow, and blue. Nearby are
four lines, joined at the ends, a bit like the shape of a crude M or
W. Archaeologists are quite puzzled by it...

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

2003-06-27 Per discussione Michael

On Saturday 28 June 2003 12:11 am, Charlie wrote:

 Making a mess that seems not fixable, and learning how not to make such
 mistakes, is what this list is about. Believe it or not there will come a
 time, probably very soon, when you'll even understand how to fix *those*
 seemingly unfixable mistakes. When that day comes you'll wonder what the
 panic was, and you'll have begun to be truly free.

 In a computing sense at least.


well, i've got a LONG way to go, but hopefully i can get there 
eventually.i look at it this way, when i was 16, i didn't have the first 
clue what all the componets on an engine were.  i had 2 friends drill it into 
me as to what everything was and how it worked.  now 10 years later, ok, so 
i'm not doing full engine rebuilds in my backyard, but i've learned and 
progressed to where most mechanical repairs i can do on my own and with a 
little bit of questioning to those that do know, i feel comfortable doing 
things myself.

i think the same is going to hold true for me using linux.

yes, i do want my OS to be running smoothly and error free, just like we all 
like our cars to run.  but i want to work with my OS the same way i work with 
my carsok, there's a problem, hmmm, well, i'm not going to just toss the 
whole engine and replace it to solve the problem, i'm going to locate the 
problem, fix the problem, test it, and keep going until it works right.  
windows seems to just be one of those it doesn't workformat and 
re-install type deals.  i chalk it up to my desire to learn, human nature 
basically, why is it doing this and how can i fix it?  seeing as how i like 
that approach, i think i'll do fine here.  thanks again!

Mike


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Re[6]: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?