subject:"\[osdcmy\] Re\: FiMOS \- For Malaysian, by Malaysian"

Nicely said Mr Fauzi, +1

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM, ApOgEE  wrote:

> For me, computer is just a tool to do my work. I don't really bother
> whether the OS is Open Source or proprietary. I use them all for certain
> work that they specialize in. For example, if I wanna do VB or VB script to
> solve my customer problem in windows, I will boot my windows and do the
> development and testing there. If I wanna do C or any linux or embedded
> linux work I will boot to my Linux and do my work there. And if I wanna do
> Graphic Design for printing, I will rather use Mac with the tools installed
> in it and finish my work there.
>
> There are a lot of reasons why I choose certain Operating System for
> certain situation to do certain work. It's like when you are choosing
> hammer, to hammer the nail in a wood. You may also use other things like
> stone, iron, or any thing near you to hammer it. But, when you are
> professional in such work, you may choose to use proper tools for proper
> work. Anyway, it is up to you to decide how you are going to finish your
> work. Isn't that the freedom we are searching for?
>
> My point is, keep it simple. Don't blame your torch light because it is not
> bright enough for your big room. Just call an electrician to fix a room
> light for you, turn on the room light and your room will be bright. Unless
> you are a developer or scientist who tried to develop a brightest torch
> light, you will try your best to find the solutions for what you develop.
> And when you have successfully develop them, share your solution to the
> others for the spirit of open source.
>
> OS and distro wars are endless and useless. If you don't like it, do not
> use it. If you think Mac is expensive, don't buy it. And if you encounter
> trouble while using any OS, develop a solution for it if you can, and share
> your solution if you like. Otherwise, you may also sell your solutions.
> Maybe someone will find your solution worth to buy. Please don't blame me
> for not choosing the same OS as you do. Please don't blame other people for
> choosing Microsoft Excel instead of OpenOffice.org Spreadsheet to do their
> work. They have money to buy whatever they like. Awareness is just to make
> people aware that there is alternatives to what they can use to solve their
> work. There is no obligation. Not even government could make that policy to
> only use 'that apps' for 'that works'.
>
> It is not a mentality issue if people choose Toyota instead of Proton Saga.
> We all have our own experience for what we choose. Innovation will not die
> when there is no 'fake support' from local user. Just keep it going and
> improving to beat other innovations if you can. If FiMOS can beat Ubuntu,
> Red Hat, Suse, or any other distro features, just do it!
>
> In my point of view, I see FiMOS is one of the linux distro among thousands
> or millions of other distros that is not currently even listed in
> distrowatch.com
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:50 AM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
>> The technology being used in RKHunter is 10-15 years behinds any standard
>> Windows anti-rookit.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Muhammad Syafiq <
>> creativeneur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux?
>>>
>>>
>>> How about rkhunter? Just wonder to know? not expert here. ;)
>>>
>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>> http://syafiq.me
>>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM, zarul shahrin 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
 jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin  > wrote:
>
>> Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a
>> hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems
>> using a tool which is easy to learn?
>>
>> is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p
>
> As someone who is working in the security field and who previously
 worked in the AV labs, I would say in most cases any windows machine
 infected by a rootkit is much easier to deal with compare to a Linux 
 machine
 infected by a rootkit. Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for
 Linux?



> but in the end, the people are the one who decide to do it easy way, or
> the hard way (wah, macam skrip filem pulak).
>
>>
>>
>>   Will not argue on this, it's a matter of "choice".  Everyone has
 the right to  choose how they do things as long as they don't go around
 and play down how other people do things.



> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:
>>
>>>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an
>>> example function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/13/11 11

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik ApOgEE

For me, computer is just a tool to do my work. I don't really bother whether
the OS is Open Source or proprietary. I use them all for certain work that
they specialize in. For example, if I wanna do VB or VB script to solve my
customer problem in windows, I will boot my windows and do the development
and testing there. If I wanna do C or any linux or embedded linux work I
will boot to my Linux and do my work there. And if I wanna do Graphic Design
for printing, I will rather use Mac with the tools installed in it and
finish my work there.

There are a lot of reasons why I choose certain Operating System for certain
situation to do certain work. It's like when you are choosing hammer, to
hammer the nail in a wood. You may also use other things like stone, iron,
or any thing near you to hammer it. But, when you are professional in such
work, you may choose to use proper tools for proper work. Anyway, it is up
to you to decide how you are going to finish your work. Isn't that the
freedom we are searching for?

My point is, keep it simple. Don't blame your torch light because it is not
bright enough for your big room. Just call an electrician to fix a room
light for you, turn on the room light and your room will be bright. Unless
you are a developer or scientist who tried to develop a brightest torch
light, you will try your best to find the solutions for what you develop.
And when you have successfully develop them, share your solution to the
others for the spirit of open source.

OS and distro wars are endless and useless. If you don't like it, do not use
it. If you think Mac is expensive, don't buy it. And if you encounter
trouble while using any OS, develop a solution for it if you can, and share
your solution if you like. Otherwise, you may also sell your solutions.
Maybe someone will find your solution worth to buy. Please don't blame me
for not choosing the same OS as you do. Please don't blame other people for
choosing Microsoft Excel instead of OpenOffice.org Spreadsheet to do their
work. They have money to buy whatever they like. Awareness is just to make
people aware that there is alternatives to what they can use to solve their
work. There is no obligation. Not even government could make that policy to
only use 'that apps' for 'that works'.

It is not a mentality issue if people choose Toyota instead of Proton Saga.
We all have our own experience for what we choose. Innovation will not die
when there is no 'fake support' from local user. Just keep it going and
improving to beat other innovations if you can. If FiMOS can beat Ubuntu,
Red Hat, Suse, or any other distro features, just do it!

In my point of view, I see FiMOS is one of the linux distro among thousands
or millions of other distros that is not currently even listed in
distrowatch.com

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:50 AM, zarul shahrin wrote:

> The technology being used in RKHunter is 10-15 years behinds any standard
> Windows anti-rookit.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Muhammad Syafiq <
> creativeneur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux?
>>
>>
>> How about rkhunter? Just wonder to know? not expert here. ;)
>>
>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>> http://syafiq.me
>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
>>> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin 
 wrote:

> Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a
> hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems
> using a tool which is easy to learn?
>
> is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p

 As someone who is working in the security field and who previously
>>> worked in the AV labs, I would say in most cases any windows machine
>>> infected by a rootkit is much easier to deal with compare to a Linux machine
>>> infected by a rootkit. Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for
>>> Linux?
>>>
>>>
>>>
 but in the end, the people are the one who decide to do it easy way, or
 the hard way (wah, macam skrip filem pulak).

>
>
>  Will not argue on this, it's a matter of "choice".  Everyone has the
>>> right to  choose how they do things as long as they don't go around and play
>>> down how other people do things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:
>
>>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
>> function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>>
>>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at sc

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

The technology being used in RKHunter is 10-15 years behinds any standard
Windows anti-rookit.


On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Muhammad Syafiq  wrote:

>  Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux?
>
>
> How about rkhunter? Just wonder to know? not expert here. ;)
>
> محمد شافق بن مذلي
> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
> http://syafiq.me
> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
>> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a
 hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems
 using a tool which is easy to learn?

 is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p
>>>
>>> As someone who is working in the security field and who previously worked
>> in the AV labs, I would say in most cases any windows machine infected by a
>> rootkit is much easier to deal with compare to a Linux machine infected by a
>> rootkit. Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux?
>>
>>
>>
>>> but in the end, the people are the one who decide to do it easy way, or
>>> the hard way (wah, macam skrip filem pulak).
>>>


  Will not argue on this, it's a matter of "choice".  Everyone has the
>> right to  choose how they do things as long as they don't go around and play
>> down how other people do things.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:

>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
> function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>
>
> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>
>
>
> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>
>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
>teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap.
>and no virus.
>6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and
>suppliers all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for
>quotations, purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, 
> reconciliation,
>balance sheet, weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning 
> schedule,
>manufacturing account.
>7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa
>sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
>crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>
>
> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above
> fictional use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in 
> malaysia.
>
> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a
> waste of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
> mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is 
> this
> attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation 
> in
> malaysia.
>
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik Muhammad Syafiq

>
> Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux?

How about rkhunter? Just wonder to know? not expert here. ;)

محمد شافق بن مذلي
Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
http://syafiq.me
67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>>
>>> Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a
>>> hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems
>>> using a tool which is easy to learn?
>>>
>>> is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p
>>
>> As someone who is working in the security field and who previously worked
> in the AV labs, I would say in most cases any windows machine infected by a
> rootkit is much easier to deal with compare to a Linux machine infected by a
> rootkit. Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux?
>
>
>
>> but in the end, the people are the one who decide to do it easy way, or
>> the hard way (wah, macam skrip filem pulak).
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will not argue on this, it's a matter of "choice".  Everyone has the
> right to  choose how they do things as long as they don't go around and play
> down how other people do things.
>
>
>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:
>>>
  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
 function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.

 On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:

 imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :

1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap.
and no virus.
6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers
all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for 
 quotations,
purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance 
 sheet,
weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
account.
7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa
sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]

 hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional
 use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia.

 on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a
 waste of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
 mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is 
 this
 attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in
 malaysia.

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On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
>> Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a hard-to-use
>> tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems using a tool
>> which is easy to learn?
>>
>> is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p
>
> As someone who is working in the security field and who previously worked
in the AV labs, I would say in most cases any windows machine infected by a
rootkit is much easier to deal with compare to a Linux machine infected by a
rootkit. Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux?



> but in the end, the people are the one who decide to do it easy way, or the
> hard way (wah, macam skrip filem pulak).
>
>>
>>
>>  Will not argue on this, it's a matter of "choice".  Everyone has the
right to  choose how they do things as long as they don't go around and play
down how other people do things.



> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:
>>
>>>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
>>> function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>>>
>>>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>>>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>>>3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>>>4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
>>>teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>>>5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap.
>>>and no virus.
>>>6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers
>>>all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations,
>>>purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance 
>>> sheet,
>>>weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
>>>account.
>>>7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa
>>>sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>>>8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
>>>crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>>>
>>>
>>> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional
>>> use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia.
>>>
>>> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste
>>> of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
>>> mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this
>>> attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in
>>> malaysia.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:

> Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a hard-to-use
> tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems using a tool
> which is easy to learn?
>
> is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p

but in the end, the people are the one who decide to do it easy way, or the
hard way (wah, macam skrip filem pulak).

>
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:
>
>>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
>> function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>>
>>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>>3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>>4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
>>teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>>5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap.
>>and no virus.
>>6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers
>>all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations,
>>purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance 
>> sheet,
>>weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
>>account.
>>7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah
>>tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>>8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
>>crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>>
>>
>> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional
>> use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia.
>>
>> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste
>> of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
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>> malaysia.
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

Windows need no learning? That's kind of over-statement. Knowledge comes
from experience sometimes, just because you 11-years old son could do well
in Excel doesn't mean that he is already an expert in Windows.  There is
more to windows than just "Excel".

There are infinity number of things that can be done easily on Linux  but
not Windows and vice versa. But I take that your field is limited to
software like Excel.

Also, computer is suppose to to help make our job easier and faster not the
other way around. If Windows is easier to learn and use, then why do things
the hard way? Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a
hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems
using a tool which is easy to learn?


Best Regards,

Zarul Shahrin

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:

>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
> function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>
>
> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>
>
>
> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>
>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
>teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and
>no virus.
>6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers
>all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations,
>purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet,
>weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
>account.
>7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah
>tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
>crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>
>
> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional
> use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia.
>
> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste
> of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
> mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this
> attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in
> malaysia.
>
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik Harisfazillah Jamel

Wah we  hit with the chicken and eggs situation.  What to do first.

Do we just teach OSS to our students like OpenOffice.org and Linux
Desktop or server anf then lets the market change.

or

we change the market demand that exist now.

Teaching OSS in school, we did have thats experience during the
implementation of projek perkomputeran makmal sekolah fasa 3 around
years 2005 and 2006. Arafat, Husni, myself and many more in the
project, as a trainer and went to schools around Malaysia teaching the
use of Linux in School labs. We try our best to deliver what is Linux
and how to use it. But, for me, we failed.

We failed because we don't have many knowledge persons that can
supports all the teachers and labs around Malaysia. The OSS had
already landed in our school but what happen during the execution we
lack of experience how to maintain and support the OSS in school.

We don't have local company that can push support and lobbying of OSS
until to the level that, the administration of schools, PTD, Negeri
and Kementerian can see the benefits. LONG TERM benefits.

Yes we can tell government with OSS the cost is free and we are free
as independence from depending on one company.

But what happen with the implementation, its not free. License is free
but implementation still costly. To maintain is also costly. Without
proper support and knowledge workers with OSS, its a lockin. Teachers
need to wait for supports that also don't know about Linux. And what
happen next, PC covert into Windows and dual boot PC only have

Our kerajaan has tried it and they will always will. But I don't want
the cycle failure of this process hits us again and failed us.

We need to come out with a different plan and we need to think outside the box.

How ? How we want to do this, politically winning it and we show the
cost of implementation much more cheaper (ROI)

Where ? In schools or in Universities. Which is which

What ? Desktop or servers or programming

Who? OSS community? We as OSS community need to support this seriuously.

What? What we want to used. Ubuntu ke? OpenSuse ke? FiMOS ke? nanti
distros war lagi.

We as OSS community need to push this. Bukan lagi menyalak, tapi
dengan cara pelaksanaan.

2011/3/13 Raja Iskandar Shah :
> excellent point !
>
> tajul has also pointed out a very valid point. ms windows and ms office are
> available to schools and students at a very discounted price.
>
> the larger problem is that all the it lab manuals / books are written based
> on ms products. therefore fimos need to address this larger overiding issue.
>

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik red1

I (try to) teach my kids smart stuff such as
1. What _not_ to do such as 'try to be a clerk filling in gaji
kakitangan gomen dalam spreadsheet.
2. Pareto principle - learn 20% that is worth 80%
3. Do what is important not urgent such as 'go play what u love which
is badminton and forget about exams'.

I believe those who landed in front of any interviewer is the ultimate
insult. I got thru my first humiliating interview in April 1982 and
never had any since then. The interview (Robert Teo, CEO of Dataprep M
Sdn Bhd that time) said to me,
"You are not to be treated special. I give you the lowest pay." Just
because my name is 'bumi' sounding. *Gr* still fuming with the
insult after all these years.

On 3/13/11 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
Windows need no learning? That's kind of over-statement.
Knowledge comes from experience sometimes, just because you 11-years
old son could do well in Excel doesn't mean that he is already an
expert in Windows. There is more to windows than just "Excel".

There are infinity number of things that can be done easily on
Linux but not Windows and vice versa. But I take that your field is
limited to software like Excel.

Also, computer is suppose to to help make our job easier and
faster not the other way around. If Windows is easier to learn and use,
then why do things the hard way? Why spend so much time and get into so
much trouble learning a hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted
time to tackle new problems using a tool which is easy to learn?

Best Regards,

Zarul Shahrin

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wrote:

Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.

On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik Soire Meira

try something new in linux like as VB6.. Gambas.. he3

2011/3/13 Raja Iskandar Shah 

> or my personal nightmare .
>
> i have come to know something which is worst than vb6 : database driven web
> applications using dreamweaver !!!
>
> aduh db connectors on every page !!!
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:30 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>
>> worst, VB6..
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2011/3/13 Raja Iskandar Shah :
>>> > interviewer : what software do you know ?
>>> > interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>>> > interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>>> > interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only teach
>>> fimos
>>> > (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>>> > interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and no
>>> > virus.
>>> > interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers all
>>> over
>>> > the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations,
>>> purchase
>>> > orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet,
>>> weekly
>>> > sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
>>> account.
>>> > interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah tak
>>> ajar
>>> > benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>>> > interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek crony.
>>> asyik2
>>> > bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>>>
>>> I think now you can see that the problem is not the tools but the
>>> education system itself. To continue this example, what those schools
>>> should teach is not Excel or OpenOffice calc, or Windows vs FiMOS but
>>> spreadsheet, word processor or operating system and pick one tools as
>>> 'referenced implementation' of these concepts. The same goes to
>>> programming language course or we would be forever getting a graduate
>>> who only know .NET or Java or even  worse ... VB.
>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik Raja Iskandar Shah

or my personal nightmare .

i have come to know something which is worst than vb6 : database driven web
applications using dreamweaver !!!

aduh db connectors on every page !!!



On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:30 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> worst, VB6..
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa 
> wrote:
>
>> 2011/3/13 Raja Iskandar Shah :
>> > interviewer : what software do you know ?
>> > interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>> > interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>> > interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only teach
>> fimos
>> > (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>> > interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and no
>> > virus.
>> > interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers all
>> over
>> > the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations,
>> purchase
>> > orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet,
>> weekly
>> > sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
>> account.
>> > interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah tak
>> ajar
>> > benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>> > interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek crony.
>> asyik2
>> > bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>>
>> I think now you can see that the problem is not the tools but the
>> education system itself. To continue this example, what those schools
>> should teach is not Excel or OpenOffice calc, or Windows vs FiMOS but
>> spreadsheet, word processor or operating system and pick one tools as
>> 'referenced implementation' of these concepts. The same goes to
>> programming language course or we would be forever getting a graduate
>> who only know .NET or Java or even  worse ... VB.
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik riZer Enterprise

hahaha
baru lah pikiran korang terbuka kan? baguslah alhamdulillah semoga semua sukses
hendaknya


peace


azhar

2011/3/13, sweemeng ng :
> Hell I don't excel, don't even know how to calculate stuff properly or using
> macro, and I always curse that my vim short cut doesn't work when I use it
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:
>
>>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
>> function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>>
>>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>>3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>>4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
>>teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>>5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and
>>no virus.
>>6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers
>>all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for
>> quotations,
>>purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance
>> sheet,
>>weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule,
>> manufacturing
>>account.
>>7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah
>>tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>>8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
>>crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>>
>>
>> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional
>> use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia.
>>
>> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste
>> of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
>> mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is
>> this
>> attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation
>> in
>> malaysia.
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik Raja Iskandar Shah

aha ! menarik ni.

imho, every software needs learning.

red1, here is the challenge ;p. if he gets to solve it, then you should
employ him to work on the payroll module for adempiere, coz it is not
trivial.

based on the lhdn jadual pcb :
http://www.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/SCHEDULESTD2010.pdf

i would like him to do a worksheet, where a person can enter the following
options
1. category : single / married spouse not working / married spouse working
2. number of children
3. monthly pay
and the worksheet will show how much pcb is supposed to be deducted

i believe pakcik google still have no solution for this ;-)

now if he can solve it, compare how long it took him to solve it using a
spreadsheet, as compared to if you had asked a java programmer to do it in a
java app.

with a few clicks and using google spreadsheet, your son can even turn his
spreadsheet into a web app ;-)






On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:

>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
> function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>
>
> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>
>
>
> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>
>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
>teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and
>no virus.
>6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers
>all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations,
>purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet,
>weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
>account.
>7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah
>tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
>crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>
>
> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional
> use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia.
>
> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste
> of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
> mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this
> attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in
> malaysia.
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik sweemeng ng

Hell I don't excel, don't even know how to calculate stuff properly or using
macro, and I always curse that my vim short cut doesn't work when I use it

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:

>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
> function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>
>
> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>
>
>
> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>
>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
>teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and
>no virus.
>6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers
>all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations,
>purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet,
>weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
>account.
>7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah
>tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
>crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>
>
> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional
> use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia.
>
> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste
> of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
> mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this
> attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in
> malaysia.
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik red1

Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.

On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:

imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :

interviewer : what software do you know ?
interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very
cheap. and no virus.
interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and
suppliers all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for
quotations, purchase orders, bill of material, accounts,
reconciliation, balance sheet, weekly sales reports, claims, overtime,
planning schedule, manufacturing account.
interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa
sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]

hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above
fictional use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in
malaysia.

on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a
waste of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread
somebody mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money
;p - it is this attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are
killing innovation in malaysia.

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik sweemeng ng

worst, VB6..

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa wrote:

> 2011/3/13 Raja Iskandar Shah :
> > interviewer : what software do you know ?
> > interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
> > interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
> > interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only teach
> fimos
> > (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
> > interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and no
> > virus.
> > interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers all
> over
> > the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations, purchase
> > orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet, weekly
> > sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
> account.
> > interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah tak
> ajar
> > benda jadah eksel ni ?]
> > interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek crony.
> asyik2
> > bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>
> I think now you can see that the problem is not the tools but the
> education system itself. To continue this example, what those schools
> should teach is not Excel or OpenOffice calc, or Windows vs FiMOS but
> spreadsheet, word processor or operating system and pick one tools as
> 'referenced implementation' of these concepts. The same goes to
> programming language course or we would be forever getting a graduate
> who only know .NET or Java or even  worse ... VB.
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa

2011/3/13 Raja Iskandar Shah :
> interviewer : what software do you know ?
> interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
> interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
> interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only teach fimos
> (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
> interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and no
> virus.
> interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers all over
> the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations, purchase
> orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet, weekly
> sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing account.
> interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah tak ajar
> benda jadah eksel ni ?]
> interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek crony. asyik2
> bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]

I think now you can see that the problem is not the tools but the
education system itself. To continue this example, what those schools
should teach is not Excel or OpenOffice calc, or Windows vs FiMOS but
spreadsheet, word processor or operating system and pick one tools as
'referenced implementation' of these concepts. The same goes to
programming language course or we would be forever getting a graduate
who only know .NET or Java or even  worse ... VB.

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin

setuju dengan tajul juga tuan raja iskandar.

kadang-kadang pihak universiti tak berani nak buat sebab mereka risau para
graduan mereka tak dapat kerja pun satu hal juga. nanti dilabel universiti
tak berkualiti.

tak apa, perjalanan masih jauh, dan sampai masa nanti luas terbentang dan
banyak exit untuk masuk ke IPT, insyaAllah.

rasa kalau kita offer IPT yang boleh buat diploma/degree dengan LPI ok dak?
kalau boleh, aku nak enroll masuk jadi 1st course student :p

2011/3/13 Raja Iskandar Shah 

> excellent point !
>
> tajul has also pointed out a very valid point. ms windows and ms office are
> available to schools and students at a very discounted price.
>
> the larger problem is that all the it lab manuals / books are written based
> on ms products. therefore fimos need to address this larger overiding issue.
>
> it is very easy for ms to justify why students should be learning using
> their products - coz it is by far the market dominant software for desktop -
> and all the employers represented by their hr dept heads know only of
> microsoft - even if they cant differentiate between windows and office.
>
> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>
>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
>teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and
>no virus.
>6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers
>all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations,
>purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet,
>weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
>account.
>7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah
>tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
>crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>
>
> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional
> use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia.
>
> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste
> of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
> mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this
> attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in
> malaysia.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2011/3/13 darXness darXness 
>
>> fuh...gile punye panjang explaination.tp menarik.banyak lgi nak kene
>> berguru.hurm...
>> pasal ubuntu n kat Matrikulasi tu,ade betul nyer.sbb skrng nie mostly
>> matrikulasi ade bljr sal OSS kat sane,lam sabjek sains
>> informatik.(demn,zaman ak dlu xde la bljr OSS).tp bagi ak,tu satu
>> perkembangan yang baek.
>>
>> tp ade 1 soalan,ak xtau la sama ade mnde nie terjadik kat mane2 lam
>> govt or swasta,tp kdg2 ak rase mcm kdg2 cepat berubah.kdg2,kite
>> implement stuff baru2,software2 baru,technology baru lam company.tp
>> sekejap je tahan.mcm xde plan for maybe 10 years.
>>
>> 2011/3/13 Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin :
>> > Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1?
>> > He he
>> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: "Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim" 
>> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:12:16
>> > To: 
>> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
>> >
>> > Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > e1
>> >
>> > Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
>> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04
>> > To: 
>> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
>> >
>> > The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the
>> > trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is
>> > the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada
>> > branding sendiri.
>> >
>> > Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Raja Iskandar Shah

excellent point !

tajul has also pointed out a very valid point. ms windows and ms office are
available to schools and students at a very discounted price.

the larger problem is that all the it lab manuals / books are written based
on ms products. therefore fimos need to address this larger overiding issue.

it is very easy for ms to justify why students should be learning using
their products - coz it is by far the market dominant software for desktop -
and all the employers represented by their hr dept heads know only of
microsoft - even if they cant differentiate between windows and office.

imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :

   1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
   2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
   3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
   4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only teach
   fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
   5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and
   no virus.
   6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers all
   over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations,
   purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet,
   weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
   account.
   7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah
   tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
   8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek crony.
   asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]


hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional use
case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia.

on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste of
rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody mentioned
that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this attitude
that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in malaysia.




2011/3/13 darXness darXness 

> fuh...gile punye panjang explaination.tp menarik.banyak lgi nak kene
> berguru.hurm...
> pasal ubuntu n kat Matrikulasi tu,ade betul nyer.sbb skrng nie mostly
> matrikulasi ade bljr sal OSS kat sane,lam sabjek sains
> informatik.(demn,zaman ak dlu xde la bljr OSS).tp bagi ak,tu satu
> perkembangan yang baek.
>
> tp ade 1 soalan,ak xtau la sama ade mnde nie terjadik kat mane2 lam
> govt or swasta,tp kdg2 ak rase mcm kdg2 cepat berubah.kdg2,kite
> implement stuff baru2,software2 baru,technology baru lam company.tp
> sekejap je tahan.mcm xde plan for maybe 10 years.
>
> 2011/3/13 Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin :
> > Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1?
> > He he
> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim" 
> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:12:16
> > To: 
> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
> >
> > Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > e1
> >
> > Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04
> > To: 
> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
> >
> > The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the
> > trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is
> > the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada
> > branding sendiri.
> >
> > Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open
> > sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada
> > Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak
> > penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan
> > maklumat).
> >
> > Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya
> > keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara
> > sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil
> > Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening.
> >
> > So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah
> > mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu.
> > Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik
> > dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are
> > using my

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

Projek dalam OSS di Matrikulasi banyak onar dan duri. Tapi terima kasih harus 
diberikan kepada teman-teman di OSCC (walau dah takde tinggal nama) tapi 
planning dah berjalan selama 3 tahun yang lepas.. Agak perlahan tapi berjalan. 
Tak nak terlalu laju dan banyak issue yang perlu diselesaikan, terutama 
kesedaran dan kelebihan OSS dalam pendidikan pra universiti. 
Anda sendiri adalah pejuang OSS dan saya banyak berjumpa pelajar ex-matrikulasi 
meneruskan perjuangan mereka. Sebab apa? OSS bukan belajar berkenaan teknologi 
sahaja, bahkan berkisar kepada keikhlasan dan perkongisian ilmu yang tiada 
sempadan..
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: darXness darXness 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:47:51 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

fuh...gile punye panjang explaination.tp menarik.banyak lgi nak kene
berguru.hurm...
pasal ubuntu n kat Matrikulasi tu,ade betul nyer.sbb skrng nie mostly
matrikulasi ade bljr sal OSS kat sane,lam sabjek sains
informatik.(demn,zaman ak dlu xde la bljr OSS).tp bagi ak,tu satu
perkembangan yang baek.

tp ade 1 soalan,ak xtau la sama ade mnde nie terjadik kat mane2 lam
govt or swasta,tp kdg2 ak rase mcm kdg2 cepat berubah.kdg2,kite
implement stuff baru2,software2 baru,technology baru lam company.tp
sekejap je tahan.mcm xde plan for maybe 10 years.

2011/3/13 Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin :
> Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1?
> He he
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim" 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:12:16
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
>
> Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss.
>
>
> Regards,
> e1
>
> Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
>
> The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the
> trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is
> the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada
> branding sendiri.
>
> Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open
> sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada
> Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak
> penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan
> maklumat).
>
> Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya
> keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara
> sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil
> Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening.
>
> So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah
> mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu.
> Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik
> dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are
> using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu
> wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai
> promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain
> daripada Ubuntu.
>
> Harap anda dapat maksud saya.
>
> Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan
> setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama
> Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat.
>
> Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling
> penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua
> software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka
> bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka.
>  Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD,
> maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka
> tidak berhak saman kita pun.
>
> Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita
> apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka.
> Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka
> punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau
> sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it.
>
> Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark
> dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan
> copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita j

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik darXness darXness

fuh...gile punye panjang explaination.tp menarik.banyak lgi nak kene
berguru.hurm...
pasal ubuntu n kat Matrikulasi tu,ade betul nyer.sbb skrng nie mostly
matrikulasi ade bljr sal OSS kat sane,lam sabjek sains
informatik.(demn,zaman ak dlu xde la bljr OSS).tp bagi ak,tu satu
perkembangan yang baek.

tp ade 1 soalan,ak xtau la sama ade mnde nie terjadik kat mane2 lam
govt or swasta,tp kdg2 ak rase mcm kdg2 cepat berubah.kdg2,kite
implement stuff baru2,software2 baru,technology baru lam company.tp
sekejap je tahan.mcm xde plan for maybe 10 years.

2011/3/13 Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin :
> Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1?
> He he
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim" 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:12:16
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
>
> Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss.
>
>
> Regards,
> e1
>
> Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
>
> The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the
> trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is
> the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada
> branding sendiri.
>
> Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open
> sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada
> Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak
> penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan
> maklumat).
>
> Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya
> keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara
> sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil
> Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening.
>
> So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah
> mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu.
> Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik
> dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are
> using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu
> wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai
> promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain
> daripada Ubuntu.
>
> Harap anda dapat maksud saya.
>
> Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan
> setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama
> Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat.
>
> Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling
> penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua
> software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka
> bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka.
>  Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD,
> maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka
> tidak berhak saman kita pun.
>
> Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita
> apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka.
> Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka
> punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau
> sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it.
>
> Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark
> dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan
> copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark
> nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan
> nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi anda
> semua perlu tahu. kita sebenarnya boleh disaman malu.
>
> Dan bagi saya, jika ada berlaku kes dimana, packager FiMOS diambil
> oleh syarikat lain dan diubah dan dikeluarkan FiMOS dan diedarkan,
> mereka tidak boleh marah. :) tapi jika syarikat itu katakan OSS dalam
> CD itu hak mereka, maka FiMOS boleh mewakili kita untuk pertahankan
> OSS dalam packager yang asal daripada mereka. Rumitkan perkara-perkara
> dalam OSS ...
>
> Sebagai packager, tidak kira FiMOS, OShirix, SimpleLinux dan Sabily,
> anda semua berhak untuk pakejkan khidmat bayaran terhadap usaha edaran
> dan sokongan terhadap hasil distros anda. Berapa harganya pun, itu
> ikut kiraan masing-masing, kalau nak bagi free pun

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin

Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1? 
He he
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From: "Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim" 
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:12:16 
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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss. 

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-Original Message-
From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the
trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is
the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada
branding sendiri.

Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open
sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada
Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak
penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan
maklumat).

Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya
keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara
sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil
Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening.

So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah
mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu.
Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik
dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are
using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu
wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai
promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain
daripada Ubuntu.

Harap anda dapat maksud saya.

Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan
setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama
Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat.

Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling
penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua
software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka
bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka.
 Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD,
maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka
tidak berhak saman kita pun.

Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita
apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka.
Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka
punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau
sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it.

Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark
dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan
copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark
nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan
nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi anda
semua perlu tahu. kita sebenarnya boleh disaman malu.

Dan bagi saya, jika ada berlaku kes dimana, packager FiMOS diambil
oleh syarikat lain dan diubah dan dikeluarkan FiMOS dan diedarkan,
mereka tidak boleh marah. :) tapi jika syarikat itu katakan OSS dalam
CD itu hak mereka, maka FiMOS boleh mewakili kita untuk pertahankan
OSS dalam packager yang asal daripada mereka. Rumitkan perkara-perkara
dalam OSS ...

Sebagai packager, tidak kira FiMOS, OShirix, SimpleLinux dan Sabily,
anda semua berhak untuk pakejkan khidmat bayaran terhadap usaha edaran
dan sokongan terhadap hasil distros anda. Berapa harganya pun, itu
ikut kiraan masing-masing, kalau nak bagi free pun bagus. Tapi khidmat
sokongan ini belanjanya besar. Gaji nak bayar, helpdesk nak bayar dan
admin nak bayar. Its cost. So jangan sampai rugi dan lepas tu hilang..
Its happen too last Malaysian distros

Bagi kita, jika rasa mahal support tu, Hmmm, pandai-pandailah runding
harga.. Tawar menawar. :)

Ada perkara mungkin kita tidak selesa dan tidak setuju, tapi dalam
dunia OSS ni, ia tidak salah. Contoh, jika FiMOS tidak sediakan
kemudahan download distros mereka, itu tidak salah, sebab mereka telah
memilih untuk edarkan dengan cara kita perlu beli CD mereka dan
perkhidmatan mereka. Mereka telah memilih cara edaran yang boleh
diterima pakai dalam lesen OSS.

Wahhh, pening-pening, saya pun mula-mula pening. Selepas naik motor
berjam-jam hari2 pergi kerja dan lawat projek2, baru saya terfikir, ia
tidak jadi satu kesalahan sebab kita masih ada satu perkara. Kita pun
boleh buat macam mereka. I can build my own Linux. Atau dengan cara
Centos pun boleh, beli CD mereka dan kemudian edarkan semula dengan
keluarkan semua trademark

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin

Nampaknya hasil yang digubal di dalam linux Fimos menggunakan framework bisnes 
yang baik. Tapi kadangkala tidak difahami oleh pengguna biasa dan baru yang 
didedahkan oleh Ubuntu dalam idea mereka yang menekankan prinsip free sampai 
bila-bila.
Fimos dah bergerak laju dihadapan depan pengurusan mereka menekankan support 
yang agak sukar dan membosankan pengguna baru yang ingin menggunakan Linux dan 
tidak mahu memikirkan masalah apabila menggunakan Linux. 
Langkah OSDC memantau pergerakan pembangunan Fimos adalah baik dan juga 
pemahaman kepada pengguna terhadap penggunaan Linux juga difikirkan perlu 
kerana jika di dalam Kementerian Pelajaran sendiri, licence untuk penggunaan 
produk adalah serendah RM 30 dengan hanya menunjukkan identiti anda sebagai 
pelajar atau kakitangan Kementerian Pelajaran anda layak mendapat harga produk 
daripada Microsoft daripada harga serendah RM 30.
Cabaran Fimos untuk memasuki Kementerian Pelajaran (sehingga ke peringkat 
sekolah dan Matrikulasi) perlu dikaji semula memandangkan harga yang ditawarkan 
mereka sebelum ini adalah RM 111 (betulkan saya jika ianya salah) dan harga 
yang ditawarkan daripada Microsoft adalah serendah RM 30, manakala Kolej-kolej 
Matrikulasi dalam cadangan menggunakan Ubuntu sebagai Sistem Pengendali Ubuntu 
secara total memandangkan kestabilan dan keselesaan dalam Teachinng and 
Learning Material mereka.
Tindakan fimos menggunakan nama selain daripada Ubuntu juga adalah betul (jika 
source code diambil daripada Ubuntu) kerana Canonical sendiri melarang sebarang 
penjualan Ubuntu Derivatives seperti yang dinyatakan di dalam Laman Web mereka.
Persoalannya, kita mahu menyokong dan kita semestinya tidak mahu OS ini lenyap 
satu hari nanti dan langkah dan rapi dan support yang berterusan haruslah 
dirangka, manakala OSDC sebagai satu badan yang mempunyai rangkaian expert yang 
tinggi boleh membantu dalam pembangunan OS mereka.
Sekadar pandangan biasa saya. 
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-Original Message-
From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the
trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is
the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada
branding sendiri.

Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open
sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada
Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak
penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan
maklumat).

Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya
keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara
sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil
Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening.

So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah
mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu.
Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik
dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are
using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu
wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai
promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain
daripada Ubuntu.

Harap anda dapat maksud saya.

Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan
setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama
Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat.

Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling
penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua
software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka
bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka.
 Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD,
maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka
tidak berhak saman kita pun.

Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita
apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka.
Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka
punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau
sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it.

Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark
dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan
copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark
nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan
nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi anda
semua perlu tahu. kita sebenarnya boleh disaman malu.

Dan bagi saya, jika ada berlaku kes dimana, packager FiMOS diambil
oleh syarikat lain dan diubah dan dikeluarkan

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim

Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss. 


Regards,
e1

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-Original Message-
From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the
trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is
the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada
branding sendiri.

Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open
sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada
Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak
penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan
maklumat).

Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya
keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara
sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil
Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening.

So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah
mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu.
Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik
dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are
using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu
wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai
promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain
daripada Ubuntu.

Harap anda dapat maksud saya.

Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan
setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama
Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat.

Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling
penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua
software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka
bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka.
 Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD,
maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka
tidak berhak saman kita pun.

Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita
apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka.
Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka
punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau
sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it.

Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark
dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan
copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark
nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan
nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi anda
semua perlu tahu. kita sebenarnya boleh disaman malu.

Dan bagi saya, jika ada berlaku kes dimana, packager FiMOS diambil
oleh syarikat lain dan diubah dan dikeluarkan FiMOS dan diedarkan,
mereka tidak boleh marah. :) tapi jika syarikat itu katakan OSS dalam
CD itu hak mereka, maka FiMOS boleh mewakili kita untuk pertahankan
OSS dalam packager yang asal daripada mereka. Rumitkan perkara-perkara
dalam OSS ...

Sebagai packager, tidak kira FiMOS, OShirix, SimpleLinux dan Sabily,
anda semua berhak untuk pakejkan khidmat bayaran terhadap usaha edaran
dan sokongan terhadap hasil distros anda. Berapa harganya pun, itu
ikut kiraan masing-masing, kalau nak bagi free pun bagus. Tapi khidmat
sokongan ini belanjanya besar. Gaji nak bayar, helpdesk nak bayar dan
admin nak bayar. Its cost. So jangan sampai rugi dan lepas tu hilang..
Its happen too last Malaysian distros

Bagi kita, jika rasa mahal support tu, Hmmm, pandai-pandailah runding
harga.. Tawar menawar. :)

Ada perkara mungkin kita tidak selesa dan tidak setuju, tapi dalam
dunia OSS ni, ia tidak salah. Contoh, jika FiMOS tidak sediakan
kemudahan download distros mereka, itu tidak salah, sebab mereka telah
memilih untuk edarkan dengan cara kita perlu beli CD mereka dan
perkhidmatan mereka. Mereka telah memilih cara edaran yang boleh
diterima pakai dalam lesen OSS.

Wahhh, pening-pening, saya pun mula-mula pening. Selepas naik motor
berjam-jam hari2 pergi kerja dan lawat projek2, baru saya terfikir, ia
tidak jadi satu kesalahan sebab kita masih ada satu perkara. Kita pun
boleh buat macam mereka. I can build my own Linux. Atau dengan cara
Centos pun boleh, beli CD mereka dan kemudian edarkan semula dengan
keluarkan semua trademark FiMOS.

Kita bebas untuk melakukan ia, tiada halangan daripada segi lesen OSS...

Ramai antara anda mungkin tidak tempoh zaman saya mula-mula dengan
Linux. Download 1 CD aje dekat seminggu. Its cost us. Waktu tu sekitar
1999 Internet mahal dan perlahan. Secara tidak langsung kita
sebenarnya telah membayar edaran Linux. Ada juga syarikat waktu tu
edarkan Linux dengan cara pos. Anda perlu

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Harisfazillah Jamel

The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the
trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is
the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada
branding sendiri.

Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open
sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada
Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak
penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan
maklumat).

Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya
keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara
sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil
Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening.

So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah
mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu.
Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik
dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are
using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu
wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai
promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain
daripada Ubuntu.

Harap anda dapat maksud saya.

Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan
setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama
Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat.

Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling
penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua
software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka
bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka.
 Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD,
maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka
tidak berhak saman kita pun.

Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita
apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka.
Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka
punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau
sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it.

Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark
dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan
copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark
nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan
nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi anda
semua perlu tahu. kita sebenarnya boleh disaman malu.

Dan bagi saya, jika ada berlaku kes dimana, packager FiMOS diambil
oleh syarikat lain dan diubah dan dikeluarkan FiMOS dan diedarkan,
mereka tidak boleh marah. :) tapi jika syarikat itu katakan OSS dalam
CD itu hak mereka, maka FiMOS boleh mewakili kita untuk pertahankan
OSS dalam packager yang asal daripada mereka. Rumitkan perkara-perkara
dalam OSS ...

Sebagai packager, tidak kira FiMOS, OShirix, SimpleLinux dan Sabily,
anda semua berhak untuk pakejkan khidmat bayaran terhadap usaha edaran
dan sokongan terhadap hasil distros anda. Berapa harganya pun, itu
ikut kiraan masing-masing, kalau nak bagi free pun bagus. Tapi khidmat
sokongan ini belanjanya besar. Gaji nak bayar, helpdesk nak bayar dan
admin nak bayar. Its cost. So jangan sampai rugi dan lepas tu hilang..
Its happen too last Malaysian distros

Bagi kita, jika rasa mahal support tu, Hmmm, pandai-pandailah runding
harga.. Tawar menawar. :)

Ada perkara mungkin kita tidak selesa dan tidak setuju, tapi dalam
dunia OSS ni, ia tidak salah. Contoh, jika FiMOS tidak sediakan
kemudahan download distros mereka, itu tidak salah, sebab mereka telah
memilih untuk edarkan dengan cara kita perlu beli CD mereka dan
perkhidmatan mereka. Mereka telah memilih cara edaran yang boleh
diterima pakai dalam lesen OSS.

Wahhh, pening-pening, saya pun mula-mula pening. Selepas naik motor
berjam-jam hari2 pergi kerja dan lawat projek2, baru saya terfikir, ia
tidak jadi satu kesalahan sebab kita masih ada satu perkara. Kita pun
boleh buat macam mereka. I can build my own Linux. Atau dengan cara
Centos pun boleh, beli CD mereka dan kemudian edarkan semula dengan
keluarkan semua trademark FiMOS.

Kita bebas untuk melakukan ia, tiada halangan daripada segi lesen OSS...

Ramai antara anda mungkin tidak tempoh zaman saya mula-mula dengan
Linux. Download 1 CD aje dekat seminggu. Its cost us. Waktu tu sekitar
1999 Internet mahal dan perlahan. Secara tidak langsung kita
sebenarnya telah membayar edaran Linux. Ada juga syarikat waktu tu
edarkan Linux dengan cara pos. Anda perlu order dan bayar tapi
oversea. Mahal gak tu.

Itu asal usulnya distros. Orang pakej dan jual pakej untuk tujuan
edaran dan mudahkan pemasangan Linux.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution

Apa yang FiMOS dan lain-lain syarikat Distros buat adalah ulang balik
cerita awal Linux.

Panjang ngomel saya pagi Ahad ni.

O

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:

> it is misunderstanding, but after the Sabily guy met Shuttleworth.
> lagipun banyak sangat version, nak follow mana satu pun payah.
>
> the stories goes same with Ultimate Edition (Ubuntu Ultimate Edition) and
> some number of project that got 'buntu' at the back :p
>

maybe this will help (it's not sabily, but one of the project got 'Ubuntu'
name)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyPeasy#Trademark_issues

>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin <
> pislissnif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sabily violated and accused by Ubuntu? I think its just misunderstanding
>> from Canonical Management, and after Sabily developer manage to meet Mark
>> Shuttleworth personally, he don't have any problem if Sabily want to use the
>> name Ubuntu Muslim Edition, eventhough we had change our name to Sabily.
>> Surprisingly, he didn't know that we have been accused to use word "Ubuntu
>> Muslim Edition".
>> After a discussion made in mailing list, everybody agreed to use Sabily as
>> a project name, and Mark don't have any problem with that.
>> Sabily is clearly derivatives from Ubuntu like edubuntu or kubuntu or any
>> derivatives from Ubuntu.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>> --
>> *From: * Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>> *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> *Date: *Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:15:04 +0800
>> *To: *
>> *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
>>
>> I do agree what rafe said.
>>
>> Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person
>> thought.
>>
>> For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if
>> you think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can
>> produce and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own
>> distro priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has
>> been freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came
>> out with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu.
>>
>> Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti
>> Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but
>> in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly
>> they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own
>> version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their
>> own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition
>> di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih
>> sama.
>>
>> Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan
>> dengan lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up
>> the project and let's the project bloom.
>>
>> Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca
>> satu-satu. Ahaks!
>>
>> OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I
>> heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise <
>> rizerenterpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop?
>>> hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang
>>> hehe...
>>> enjoy
>>>
>>> azhar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>>>
>>>> dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open
>>>> and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point
>>>> of dragging it longer and longer...
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> > the best kita face to face 26.3 ok?
>>>> > have a good night
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>>>> >>
>>>> >> bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which
>>>> is
>>>> >> right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
>>>> >> actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know
>>>> more
>>>> >> stories than you do..
>>>> >>
>>>

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

itu dah besau sangat tu..kasi dalam FiMOS aje sudeh :p

2011/3/13 Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin 

> Kita nak bincang dalam ruang lingkup OSS atau ruang lingkup FiMOS. Saya
> rasa better dalam tajuk baru, sebab nanti kita akan mengambil contoh FiMOS
> dan membuka semula isu My1OS atau FiMOS.
> Kita buka tajuk baru cemana?
> Sekadar cadangan
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:19:08
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
>
> Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
>
> Sebentar tadi baru saya terfikir, sedang kita minta mana-mana Distros
> untuk release source codes mereka, kita sebenarnya meminta yang
> sememang telah disebarkan oleh setiap projek dan perisian OSS yang
> dalam Distros.
>
> Sebagai contoh :-
>
> 1) Apabila sesebuah Distros mengatakan mereka base on Linux, maka
> dengan sendirinya kita boleh dapatkan source codes Kernel Linux dan
> apa jua yang digunakan oleh Distro tersebut terus daripada projek
> websites. Kita hanya perlu tahu apa yang mereka gunakan dan thats it.
> Source codes sememang ada dimana.
>
> Soalan saya, kepada pengguna Linux Distro seperti Debian, Ubuntu,
> OpenSuse dan Fedora, siapa yang config repos atau yum atau apt untuk
> download source codes RPM atau DEB.
>
> Saya pun tak mahu sebab terlalu besar
>
> 2) Jika ada customization atau sebarang trademark dimasukkan dalam
> hasil Distro maka ia adalah hak punya pembuatnya dan pemilik
> trademark.
>
> Sebagai contoh, jika kita ambil CD ubuntu dan keluarkan semua dalam CD
> tersebut apa jua trademark Ubuntu, dan sebarkan semula sebagai CD
> Linux, maka kita tidak salah.. Sebab isi perut CD adalah perisian OSS.
> Kita telah keluarkan perkara yang Canonical akan marah, perkataan dan
> logo Ubuntu.
>
> Begitu juga dalam kes Centos. Semua trademark dan copyright dan apa
> jua software bukan OSS telah dikeluarkan dan disebarkan semula sebagai
> Centos. Red Hat tidak bising pun... Malah secara tidak rasmi membantu
> pihak komuniti Centos untuk kenal pasti mana Red Hat yang punya dan
> diminta dikeluarkan.
>
> Jadi soalan saya, jika saya ambil asal dulu CD ubuntu yang dah jadi CD
> Linux kemudian saya customize dan masukkan logo dan apa jua nama saya
> dan namakan Distro LinuxMalaysia, adakah saya salah?
>
> 3) Apa juga perisian yang dibuat sendiri pembangun adalah hak mereka.
> Sekiranya mereka putuskan apa yang mereka tulis dan compile adalah
> copyright mereka dan source codes hak mereka, maka itu hak mereka.
> Jika mereka sebarkan dalam CD Linux distros pun, kita masih tiada hak
> untuk menuntut  mereka perlu tunjukkan source codes. Perisian tertutup
> yang dijalankan atas Linux yang sumber terbuka tiada kaitan apa pun
> dari segi lesen. Lesen anda adalah lesen anda dan lesen saya adalah
> lesen saya.
>
> Yang terdekat adalah Googlebuntu.
>
> Banyak lagi saya nak tulis tapi sudah jauh malam dan mengantuk, saya
> biarkan ini dulu untuk perbincangan.
>
> Wassalam.
>
> Harisfazillah Jamel
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin

it is misunderstanding, but after the Sabily guy met Shuttleworth.
lagipun banyak sangat version, nak follow mana satu pun payah.

the stories goes same with Ultimate Edition (Ubuntu Ultimate Edition) and
some number of project that got 'buntu' at the back :p

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin <
pislissnif...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sabily violated and accused by Ubuntu? I think its just misunderstanding
> from Canonical Management, and after Sabily developer manage to meet Mark
> Shuttleworth personally, he don't have any problem if Sabily want to use the
> name Ubuntu Muslim Edition, eventhough we had change our name to Sabily.
> Surprisingly, he didn't know that we have been accused to use word "Ubuntu
> Muslim Edition".
> After a discussion made in mailing list, everybody agreed to use Sabily as
> a project name, and Mark don't have any problem with that.
> Sabily is clearly derivatives from Ubuntu like edubuntu or kubuntu or any
> derivatives from Ubuntu.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> --
> *From: * Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
> *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:15:04 +0800
> *To: *
> *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
>
> I do agree what rafe said.
>
> Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person
> thought.
>
> For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if
> you think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can
> produce and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own
> distro priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has
> been freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came
> out with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu.
>
> Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti
> Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but
> in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly
> they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own
> version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their
> own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition
> di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih
> sama.
>
> Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan
> lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the
> project and let's the project bloom.
>
> Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca
> satu-satu. Ahaks!
>
> OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I
> heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise <
> rizerenterpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop?
>> hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang
>> hehe...
>> enjoy
>>
>> azhar
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>>
>>> dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open
>>> and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point
>>> of dragging it longer and longer...
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise
>>>  wrote:
>>> > the best kita face to face 26.3 ok?
>>> > have a good night
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>>> >>
>>> >> bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is
>>> >> right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
>>> >> actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more
>>> >> stories than you do..
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >> > orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that
>>> you
>>> >> > akan
>>> >> > dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing
>>> that we
>>> >> > got
>>> >> > untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga
>>> walaupun
>>> >> > korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
>>> >> > topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belam

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

Kita nak bincang dalam ruang lingkup OSS atau ruang lingkup FiMOS. Saya rasa 
better dalam tajuk baru, sebab nanti kita akan mengambil contoh FiMOS dan 
membuka semula isu My1OS atau FiMOS.
Kita buka tajuk baru cemana? 
Sekadar cadangan
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From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:19:08 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,

Sebentar tadi baru saya terfikir, sedang kita minta mana-mana Distros
untuk release source codes mereka, kita sebenarnya meminta yang
sememang telah disebarkan oleh setiap projek dan perisian OSS yang
dalam Distros.

Sebagai contoh :-

1) Apabila sesebuah Distros mengatakan mereka base on Linux, maka
dengan sendirinya kita boleh dapatkan source codes Kernel Linux dan
apa jua yang digunakan oleh Distro tersebut terus daripada projek
websites. Kita hanya perlu tahu apa yang mereka gunakan dan thats it.
Source codes sememang ada dimana.

Soalan saya, kepada pengguna Linux Distro seperti Debian, Ubuntu,
OpenSuse dan Fedora, siapa yang config repos atau yum atau apt untuk
download source codes RPM atau DEB.

Saya pun tak mahu sebab terlalu besar

2) Jika ada customization atau sebarang trademark dimasukkan dalam
hasil Distro maka ia adalah hak punya pembuatnya dan pemilik
trademark.

Sebagai contoh, jika kita ambil CD ubuntu dan keluarkan semua dalam CD
tersebut apa jua trademark Ubuntu, dan sebarkan semula sebagai CD
Linux, maka kita tidak salah.. Sebab isi perut CD adalah perisian OSS.
Kita telah keluarkan perkara yang Canonical akan marah, perkataan dan
logo Ubuntu.

Begitu juga dalam kes Centos. Semua trademark dan copyright dan apa
jua software bukan OSS telah dikeluarkan dan disebarkan semula sebagai
Centos. Red Hat tidak bising pun... Malah secara tidak rasmi membantu
pihak komuniti Centos untuk kenal pasti mana Red Hat yang punya dan
diminta dikeluarkan.

Jadi soalan saya, jika saya ambil asal dulu CD ubuntu yang dah jadi CD
Linux kemudian saya customize dan masukkan logo dan apa jua nama saya
dan namakan Distro LinuxMalaysia, adakah saya salah?

3) Apa juga perisian yang dibuat sendiri pembangun adalah hak mereka.
Sekiranya mereka putuskan apa yang mereka tulis dan compile adalah
copyright mereka dan source codes hak mereka, maka itu hak mereka.
Jika mereka sebarkan dalam CD Linux distros pun, kita masih tiada hak
untuk menuntut  mereka perlu tunjukkan source codes. Perisian tertutup
yang dijalankan atas Linux yang sumber terbuka tiada kaitan apa pun
dari segi lesen. Lesen anda adalah lesen anda dan lesen saya adalah
lesen saya.

Yang terdekat adalah Googlebuntu.

Banyak lagi saya nak tulis tapi sudah jauh malam dan mengantuk, saya
biarkan ini dulu untuk perbincangan.

Wassalam.

Harisfazillah Jamel

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Harisfazillah Jamel

Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,

Sebentar tadi baru saya terfikir, sedang kita minta mana-mana Distros
untuk release source codes mereka, kita sebenarnya meminta yang
sememang telah disebarkan oleh setiap projek dan perisian OSS yang
dalam Distros.

Sebagai contoh :-

1) Apabila sesebuah Distros mengatakan mereka base on Linux, maka
dengan sendirinya kita boleh dapatkan source codes Kernel Linux dan
apa jua yang digunakan oleh Distro tersebut terus daripada projek
websites. Kita hanya perlu tahu apa yang mereka gunakan dan thats it.
Source codes sememang ada dimana.

Soalan saya, kepada pengguna Linux Distro seperti Debian, Ubuntu,
OpenSuse dan Fedora, siapa yang config repos atau yum atau apt untuk
download source codes RPM atau DEB.

Saya pun tak mahu sebab terlalu besar

2) Jika ada customization atau sebarang trademark dimasukkan dalam
hasil Distro maka ia adalah hak punya pembuatnya dan pemilik
trademark.

Sebagai contoh, jika kita ambil CD ubuntu dan keluarkan semua dalam CD
tersebut apa jua trademark Ubuntu, dan sebarkan semula sebagai CD
Linux, maka kita tidak salah.. Sebab isi perut CD adalah perisian OSS.
Kita telah keluarkan perkara yang Canonical akan marah, perkataan dan
logo Ubuntu.

Begitu juga dalam kes Centos. Semua trademark dan copyright dan apa
jua software bukan OSS telah dikeluarkan dan disebarkan semula sebagai
Centos. Red Hat tidak bising pun... Malah secara tidak rasmi membantu
pihak komuniti Centos untuk kenal pasti mana Red Hat yang punya dan
diminta dikeluarkan.

Jadi soalan saya, jika saya ambil asal dulu CD ubuntu yang dah jadi CD
Linux kemudian saya customize dan masukkan logo dan apa jua nama saya
dan namakan Distro LinuxMalaysia, adakah saya salah?

3) Apa juga perisian yang dibuat sendiri pembangun adalah hak mereka.
Sekiranya mereka putuskan apa yang mereka tulis dan compile adalah
copyright mereka dan source codes hak mereka, maka itu hak mereka.
Jika mereka sebarkan dalam CD Linux distros pun, kita masih tiada hak
untuk menuntut  mereka perlu tunjukkan source codes. Perisian tertutup
yang dijalankan atas Linux yang sumber terbuka tiada kaitan apa pun
dari segi lesen. Lesen anda adalah lesen anda dan lesen saya adalah
lesen saya.

Yang terdekat adalah Googlebuntu.

Banyak lagi saya nak tulis tapi sudah jauh malam dan mengantuk, saya
biarkan ini dulu untuk perbincangan.

Wassalam.

Harisfazillah Jamel

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik MASOKIS

Saya mengucapkan agar projek FiMOS ni berjaya. Semoga mencapai sasaran
yang hendak dicapai.
Semoga pembangunan FiMOS ni berterusan. Saya cadangkan agar buka 1 IRC
@ FORUM @ Mailing list
tersendiri dari FiMOS. Supaya boleh dirujuk untuk tujuan dokumentasi,
penyelidikan, aduan masalah dan sebagainya. Lagipun memudahkan pihak
pembangun untuk merekod dan menapis informasi.sepanjang saya menuntut,
saya minat untuk mengali hasil pembangunan anak tempatan. Saya pun tak
tahu kenapa..cuma saya rasa, saya suka menkaji dan belajar.

Bagi saya, OSS yang utama ialah sistem operasi iaitu linux. barulah
dituruti dengan perisian. nak bawa nama sistem-operasi ni mesti
susahkan ? saya pun tak manpu.. tapi saya dah ada mencuba banyak kali.
sangat susah. Jadi, mungkin pihak FiMOS boleh tunjuk ajar sedikit
sebanyak bagaimana R&D dibuat.

pandangan saya, semua komen harus diterima dan difikirkan. Ambil yang
menjadi kekurangan itu untuk dibaiki. yang lain, boleh diabaikan
sahaja. Sejarah mengajar kita untuk meperbaiki kesilapan. Saya juga
minta maaf sebab my1os dahulu, niat saya nak belajar mcmana hendak
remaster sesebuah distro... tapi ada yang salah faham pula.. tapi
semua dah selesai, alhamdulillah  :)

saya juga dah cuba fahami (http://www.opensource.org/osd.html) maksud
sumber-terbuka. semoga perjalanan FiMOS berjalan lancar. bergitu juga
dengan pembangunan sistem operasi seperti oshirix , simpleLinux &
lain-lain lagi serta pembangunan perisian. Selamat maju jaya. :')

P.s : maaf.. pakai taip je, tak sempat nak susun ayat . cuma nak
melontarkan 1 pandangan.
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin

Sokong? Cam mengundi je ;)

P.S: Jangan lupa bawa ole2 dari Sarawak
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Sy tetap sokong tuan tajul .

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Sabily violated and accused by Ubuntu? I think its just misunderstanding from 
Canonical Management, and after Sabily developer manage to meet Mark 
Shuttleworth personally, he don't  have any problem if Sabily want to use the 
name Ubuntu Muslim Edition, eventhough we had change our name to Sabily. 
Surprisingly, he didn't know that we have been accused to use word "Ubuntu 
Muslim Edition".
After a discussion made in mailing list, everybody agreed to use Sabily as a 
project name, and Mark don't have any problem with that.
Sabily is clearly derivatives from Ubuntu like edubuntu or kubuntu or any 
derivatives from Ubuntu.
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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

I do agree what rafe said.

Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person
thought.

For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if you
think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can produce
and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own distro
priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has been
freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came out
with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu.

Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti
Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but
in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly
they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own
version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their
own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition
di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih
sama.

Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan
lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the
project and let's the project bloom.

Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca
satu-satu. Ahaks!

OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I
heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise  wrote:

> are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop?
> hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang
> hehe...
> enjoy
>
> azhar
>
>
>
> 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>
>> dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open
>> and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point
>> of dragging it longer and longer...
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise
>>  wrote:
>> > the best kita face to face 26.3 ok?
>> > have a good night
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>> >>
>> >> bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is
>> >> right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
>> >> actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more
>> >> stories than you do..
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you
>> >> > akan
>> >> > dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that
>> we
>> >> > got
>> >> > untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga
>> walaupun
>> >> > korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
>> >> > topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak
>> >> > pekena
>> >> > orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni
&

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim

Sy tetap sokong tuan tajul .

Regards,
e1

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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:31:43 
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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

Sabily violated and accused by Ubuntu? I think its just misunderstanding from 
Canonical Management, and after Sabily developer manage to meet Mark 
Shuttleworth personally, he don't  have any problem if Sabily want to use the 
name Ubuntu Muslim Edition, eventhough we had change our name to Sabily. 
Surprisingly, he didn't know that we have been accused to use word "Ubuntu 
Muslim Edition".
After a discussion made in mailing list, everybody agreed to use Sabily as a 
project name, and Mark don't have any problem with that.
Sabily is clearly derivatives from Ubuntu like edubuntu or kubuntu or any 
derivatives from Ubuntu.
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From: Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:15:04 
To: 
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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

I do agree what rafe said.

Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person
thought.

For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if you
think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can produce
and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own distro
priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has been
freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came out
with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu.

Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti
Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but
in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly
they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own
version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their
own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition
di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih
sama.

Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan
lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the
project and let's the project bloom.

Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca
satu-satu. Ahaks!

OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I
heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise  wrote:

> are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop?
> hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang
> hehe...
> enjoy
>
> azhar
>
>
>
> 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>
>> dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open
>> and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point
>> of dragging it longer and longer...
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise
>>  wrote:
>> > the best kita face to face 26.3 ok?
>> > have a good night
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>> >>
>> >> bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is
>> >> right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
>> >> actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more
>> >> stories than you do..
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you
>> >> > akan
>> >> > dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that
>> we
>> >> > got
>> >> > untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga
>> walaupun
>> >> > korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
>> >> > topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak
>> >> > pekena
>> >> > orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni
>> >> > bermaksud
>> >> > baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual
>> >> > korang
>> >> > seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti.
>> >> >
>> >> > azhar
>> >> >
>> >> > 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal 
>> >> >>
>> >&

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin

Sabily violated and accused by Ubuntu? I think its just misunderstanding from 
Canonical Management, and after Sabily developer manage to meet Mark 
Shuttleworth personally, he don't  have any problem if Sabily want to use the 
name Ubuntu Muslim Edition, eventhough we had change our name to Sabily. 
Surprisingly, he didn't know that we have been accused to use word "Ubuntu 
Muslim Edition".
After a discussion made in mailing list, everybody agreed to use Sabily as a 
project name, and Mark don't have any problem with that.
Sabily is clearly derivatives from Ubuntu like edubuntu or kubuntu or any 
derivatives from Ubuntu.
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-Original Message-
From: Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:15:04 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

I do agree what rafe said.

Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person
thought.

For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if you
think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can produce
and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own distro
priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has been
freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came out
with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu.

Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti
Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but
in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly
they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own
version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their
own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition
di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih
sama.

Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan
lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the
project and let's the project bloom.

Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca
satu-satu. Ahaks!

OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I
heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise  wrote:

> are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop?
> hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang
> hehe...
> enjoy
>
> azhar
>
>
>
> 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>
>> dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open
>> and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point
>> of dragging it longer and longer...
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise
>>  wrote:
>> > the best kita face to face 26.3 ok?
>> > have a good night
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>> >>
>> >> bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is
>> >> right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
>> >> actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more
>> >> stories than you do..
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you
>> >> > akan
>> >> > dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that
>> we
>> >> > got
>> >> > untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga
>> walaupun
>> >> > korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
>> >> > topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak
>> >> > pekena
>> >> > orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni
>> >> > bermaksud
>> >> > baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual
>> >> > korang
>> >> > seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti.
>> >> >
>> >> > azhar
>> >> >
>> >> > 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal 
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an
>> individual
>> >> >> but a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward
>> >> >> completing a single or multiple objective. You can't change the
>> world
>> >> >> over

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

kalau dapat jumpa orang buat OshiriX tu, memang menuntut aku buat kernal
compiling

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:39 PM, MASOKIS  wrote:

> Bermula dari oshirix lah.. saya kenal linux... alhamdullilah~
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:
> > @Rizer,
> > nop, this time's Inter-Distro Workshop is the 2nd ones. The 1st ones only
> > Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Debian, FreeBSD/PCBSD & Sabily attend.
> >
> > @Syazwan,
> > OshiriX is powerful.
> > A very good distro. The developer wanted to remain anonymous, which we
> all
> > should respect his decision, coz his intention, is only to share what he
> > made with the public, and not asking for fame.
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik MASOKIS

Bermula dari oshirix lah.. saya kenal linux... alhamdullilah~

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:
> @Rizer,
> nop, this time's Inter-Distro Workshop is the 2nd ones. The 1st ones only
> Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Debian, FreeBSD/PCBSD & Sabily attend.
>
> @Syazwan,
> OshiriX is powerful.
> A very good distro. The developer wanted to remain anonymous, which we all
> should respect his decision, coz his intention, is only to share what he
> made with the public, and not asking for fame.
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-12 Terurut Topik Garfield WTF

@Rizer,
nop, this time's Inter-Distro Workshop is the 2nd ones. The 1st ones only
Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Debian, FreeBSD/PCBSD & Sabily attend.

@Syazwan,
OshiriX is powerful.
A very good distro. The developer wanted to remain anonymous, which we all
should respect his decision, coz his intention, is only to share what he
made with the public, and not asking for fame.

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

I do agree what rafe said.

Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person
thought.

For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if you
think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can produce
and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own distro
priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has been
freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came out
with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu.

Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti
Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but
in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly
they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own
version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their
own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition
di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih
sama.

Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan
lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the
project and let's the project bloom.

Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca
satu-satu. Ahaks!

OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I
heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise  wrote:

> are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop?
> hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang
> hehe...
> enjoy
>
> azhar
>
>
>
> 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>
>> dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open
>> and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point
>> of dragging it longer and longer...
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise
>>  wrote:
>> > the best kita face to face 26.3 ok?
>> > have a good night
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>> >>
>> >> bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is
>> >> right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
>> >> actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more
>> >> stories than you do..
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you
>> >> > akan
>> >> > dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that
>> we
>> >> > got
>> >> > untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga
>> walaupun
>> >> > korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
>> >> > topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak
>> >> > pekena
>> >> > orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni
>> >> > bermaksud
>> >> > baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual
>> >> > korang
>> >> > seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti.
>> >> >
>> >> > azhar
>> >> >
>> >> > 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal 
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an
>> individual
>> >> >> but a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward
>> >> >> completing a single or multiple objective. You can't change the
>> world
>> >> >> overnight. It take times and it takes effort to built and to succed.
>> By
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> taking the +ve side of thing you are already a -ve person and your
>> >> >> whole
>> >> >> view are turn only to one side which limit the freedom of choice
>> >> >> itself. One
>> >> >> must be knowledgeable in what one have commented regardless or you
>> >> >> might end
>> >> >> up in a hole where you can't see the light anymore.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And to note to that how sure are you when you put a statement above
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> you said open bravo and open core are limited by capacity toward the
>> >> >> OSS
>> >> >> movement? You better be ready to stand and defend your statement,
>> where
>> >> >> if
>> >> >> you see and read in the mailing list a statement and explaination
>> was
>> >> >> clearly spoken upon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> rafe
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mar 11, 2011 10:27 PM, "riZer Enterprise"
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> anggaplah ini satu komen yang membina bukan nak condemned. condemntu
>> >> >> kalau
>> >> >> sakit hati sikit sikit tak pa sekurang kurangnya kita akan beringat
>> >> >> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/who-owns-linux/17
>> >> >> kalau kau taknak bantu komuniti jadi kau bukan lah geng open sos
>> >> >> kau leh kuar ke open bravo or open core or whateva you are not in.
>> go
>> >> >> sell
>> >> >> your stuff somewhere else. we community are the one who own it.
>> ingat
>> >> >> linux
>> >> >> ni kita punya kalau kau nak manipulate orang silakan tapi you r not
>> >> >> open
>> >> >> source ok?
>> >> >>
>

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop?
hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang
hehe...
enjoy

azhar


2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 

> dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open
> and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point
> of dragging it longer and longer...
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise
>  wrote:
> > the best kita face to face 26.3 ok?
> > have a good night
> >
> >
> > 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
> >>
> >> bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is
> >> right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
> >> actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more
> >> stories than you do..
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise
> >>  wrote:
> >> > orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you
> >> > akan
> >> > dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that
> we
> >> > got
> >> > untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga
> walaupun
> >> > korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
> >> > topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak
> >> > pekena
> >> > orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni
> >> > bermaksud
> >> > baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual
> >> > korang
> >> > seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti.
> >> >
> >> > azhar
> >> >
> >> > 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal 
> >> >>
> >> >> Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an
> individual
> >> >> but a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward
> >> >> completing a single or multiple objective. You can't change the world
> >> >> overnight. It take times and it takes effort to built and to succed.
> By
> >> >> not
> >> >> taking the +ve side of thing you are already a -ve person and your
> >> >> whole
> >> >> view are turn only to one side which limit the freedom of choice
> >> >> itself. One
> >> >> must be knowledgeable in what one have commented regardless or you
> >> >> might end
> >> >> up in a hole where you can't see the light anymore.
> >> >>
> >> >> And to note to that how sure are you when you put a statement above
> >> >> when
> >> >> you said open bravo and open core are limited by capacity toward the
> >> >> OSS
> >> >> movement? You better be ready to stand and defend your statement,
> where
> >> >> if
> >> >> you see and read in the mailing list a statement and explaination was
> >> >> clearly spoken upon.
> >> >>
> >> >> rafe
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mar 11, 2011 10:27 PM, "riZer Enterprise"
> >> >> 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> anggaplah ini satu komen yang membina bukan nak condemned. condemntu
> >> >> kalau
> >> >> sakit hati sikit sikit tak pa sekurang kurangnya kita akan beringat
> >> >> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/who-owns-linux/17
> >> >> kalau kau taknak bantu komuniti jadi kau bukan lah geng open sos
> >> >> kau leh kuar ke open bravo or open core or whateva you are not in. go
> >> >> sell
> >> >> your stuff somewhere else. we community are the one who own it. ingat
> >> >> linux
> >> >> ni kita punya kalau kau nak manipulate orang silakan tapi you r not
> >> >> open
> >> >> source ok?
> >> >>
> >> >> azhar
> >> >>
> >> >> Pada 11 Mac 2011 9:05 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
> linuxmalay...@gmail.com>
> >> >> menulis:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Kita perlu bermula. Sama ada kita suka atau tidak dengan cara
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-11 Terurut Topik rafe azsnal

dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open
and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point
of dragging it longer and longer...

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise
 wrote:
> the best kita face to face 26.3 ok?
> have a good night
>
>
> 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>>
>> bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is
>> right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
>> actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more
>> stories than you do..
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise
>>  wrote:
>> > orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you
>> > akan
>> > dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that we
>> > got
>> > untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga walaupun
>> > korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
>> > topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak
>> > pekena
>> > orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni
>> > bermaksud
>> > baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual
>> > korang
>> > seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti.
>> >
>> > azhar
>> >
>> > 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal 
>> >>
>> >> Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an individual
>> >> but a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward
>> >> completing a single or multiple objective. You can't change the world
>> >> overnight. It take times and it takes effort to built and to succed. By
>> >> not
>> >> taking the +ve side of thing you are already a -ve person and your
>> >> whole
>> >> view are turn only to one side which limit the freedom of choice
>> >> itself. One
>> >> must be knowledgeable in what one have commented regardless or you
>> >> might end
>> >> up in a hole where you can't see the light anymore.
>> >>
>> >> And to note to that how sure are you when you put a statement above
>> >> when
>> >> you said open bravo and open core are limited by capacity toward the
>> >> OSS
>> >> movement? You better be ready to stand and defend your statement, where
>> >> if
>> >> you see and read in the mailing list a statement and explaination was
>> >> clearly spoken upon.
>> >>
>> >> rafe
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 11, 2011 10:27 PM, "riZer Enterprise"
>> >> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> anggaplah ini satu komen yang membina bukan nak condemned. condemntu
>> >> kalau
>> >> sakit hati sikit sikit tak pa sekurang kurangnya kita akan beringat
>> >> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/who-owns-linux/17
>> >> kalau kau taknak bantu komuniti jadi kau bukan lah geng open sos
>> >> kau leh kuar ke open bravo or open core or whateva you are not in. go
>> >> sell
>> >> your stuff somewhere else. we community are the one who own it. ingat
>> >> linux
>> >> ni kita punya kalau kau nak manipulate orang silakan tapi you r not
>> >> open
>> >> source ok?
>> >>
>> >> azhar
>> >>
>> >> Pada 11 Mac 2011 9:05 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel 
>> >> menulis:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Kita perlu bermula. Sama ada kita suka atau tidak dengan cara mereka,
>> >> > we have to make that mo...
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

the best kita face to face 26.3 ok?
have a good night


2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 

> bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is
> right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
> actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more
> stories than you do..
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise
>  wrote:
> > orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you
> akan
> > dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that we
> got
> > untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga walaupun
> > korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
> > topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak pekena
> > orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni
> bermaksud
> > baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual korang
> > seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti.
> >
> > azhar
> >
> > 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal 
> >>
> >> Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an individual
> >> but a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward
> >> completing a single or multiple objective. You can't change the world
> >> overnight. It take times and it takes effort to built and to succed. By
> not
> >> taking the +ve side of thing you are already a -ve person and your whole
> >> view are turn only to one side which limit the freedom of choice itself.
> One
> >> must be knowledgeable in what one have commented regardless or you might
> end
> >> up in a hole where you can't see the light anymore.
> >>
> >> And to note to that how sure are you when you put a statement above when
> >> you said open bravo and open core are limited by capacity toward the OSS
> >> movement? You better be ready to stand and defend your statement, where
> if
> >> you see and read in the mailing list a statement and explaination was
> >> clearly spoken upon.
> >>
> >> rafe
> >>
> >> On Mar 11, 2011 10:27 PM, "riZer Enterprise"  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> anggaplah ini satu komen yang membina bukan nak condemned. condemntu
> kalau
> >> sakit hati sikit sikit tak pa sekurang kurangnya kita akan beringat
> >> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/who-owns-linux/17
> >> kalau kau taknak bantu komuniti jadi kau bukan lah geng open sos
> >> kau leh kuar ke open bravo or open core or whateva you are not in. go
> sell
> >> your stuff somewhere else. we community are the one who own it. ingat
> linux
> >> ni kita punya kalau kau nak manipulate orang silakan tapi you r not open
> >> source ok?
> >>
> >> azhar
> >>
> >> Pada 11 Mac 2011 9:05 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel 
> >> menulis:
> >>
> >> >
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-11 Terurut Topik rafe azsnal

bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is
right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more
stories than you do..

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise
 wrote:
> orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you akan
> dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that we got
> untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga walaupun
> korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
> topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak pekena
> orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni bermaksud
> baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual korang
> seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti.
>
> azhar
>
> 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal 
>>
>> Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an individual
>> but a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward
>> completing a single or multiple objective. You can't change the world
>> overnight. It take times and it takes effort to built and to succed. By not
>> taking the +ve side of thing you are already a -ve person and your whole
>> view are turn only to one side which limit the freedom of choice itself. One
>> must be knowledgeable in what one have commented regardless or you might end
>> up in a hole where you can't see the light anymore.
>>
>> And to note to that how sure are you when you put a statement above when
>> you said open bravo and open core are limited by capacity toward the OSS
>> movement? You better be ready to stand and defend your statement, where if
>> you see and read in the mailing list a statement and explaination was
>> clearly spoken upon.
>>
>> rafe
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2011 10:27 PM, "riZer Enterprise" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> anggaplah ini satu komen yang membina bukan nak condemned. condemntu kalau
>> sakit hati sikit sikit tak pa sekurang kurangnya kita akan beringat
>> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/who-owns-linux/17
>> kalau kau taknak bantu komuniti jadi kau bukan lah geng open sos
>> kau leh kuar ke open bravo or open core or whateva you are not in. go sell
>> your stuff somewhere else. we community are the one who own it. ingat linux
>> ni kita punya kalau kau nak manipulate orang silakan tapi you r not open
>> source ok?
>>
>> azhar
>>
>> Pada 11 Mac 2011 9:05 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel 
>> menulis:
>>
>> >
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you akan
dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that we got
untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga walaupun
korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak pekena
orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni bermaksud
baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual korang
seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti.

azhar

2011/3/11 rafe azsnal 

> Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an individual but
> a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward completing
> a single or multiple objective. You can't change the world overnight. It
> take times and it takes effort to built and to succed. By not taking the +ve
> side of thing you are already a -ve person and your whole view are turn only
> to one side which limit the freedom of choice itself. One must be
> knowledgeable in what one have commented regardless or you might end up in a
> hole where you can't see the light anymore.
>
> And to note to that how sure are you when you put a statement above when
> you said open bravo and open core are limited by capacity toward the OSS
> movement? You better be ready to stand and defend your statement, where if
> you see and read in the mailing list a statement and explaination was
> clearly spoken upon.
>
> rafe
>
> On Mar 11, 2011 10:27 PM, "riZer Enterprise" 
> wrote:
>
> anggaplah ini satu komen yang membina bukan nak condemned. condemntu kalau
> sakit hati sikit sikit tak pa sekurang kurangnya kita akan beringat
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/who-owns-linux/17
> kalau kau taknak bantu komuniti jadi kau bukan lah geng open sos
> kau leh kuar ke open bravo or open core or whateva you are not in. go sell
> your stuff somewhere else. we community are the one who own it. ingat linux
> ni kita punya kalau kau nak manipulate orang silakan tapi you r not open
> source ok?
>
> azhar
>
> Pada 11 Mac 2011 9:05 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel 
> menulis:
>
>
> >
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-11 Terurut Topik rafe azsnal

Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an individual but
a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward completing
a single or multiple objective. You can't change the world overnight. It
take times and it takes effort to built and to succed. By not taking the +ve
side of thing you are already a -ve person and your whole view are turn only
to one side which limit the freedom of choice itself. One must be
knowledgeable in what one have commented regardless or you might end up in a
hole where you can't see the light anymore.

And to note to that how sure are you when you put a statement above when you
said open bravo and open core are limited by capacity toward the OSS
movement? You better be ready to stand and defend your statement, where if
you see and read in the mailing list a statement and explaination was
clearly spoken upon.

rafe

On Mar 11, 2011 10:27 PM, "riZer Enterprise" 
wrote:

anggaplah ini satu komen yang membina bukan nak condemned. condemntu kalau
sakit hati sikit sikit tak pa sekurang kurangnya kita akan beringat
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/who-owns-linux/17
kalau kau taknak bantu komuniti jadi kau bukan lah geng open sos
kau leh kuar ke open bravo or open core or whateva you are not in. go sell
your stuff somewhere else. we community are the one who own it. ingat linux
ni kita punya kalau kau nak manipulate orang silakan tapi you r not open
source ok?

azhar

Pada 11 Mac 2011 9:05 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel menulis:

>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-11 Terurut Topik darXness darXness

+1 ngn abg haris...
xkshla step tu pendek or panjang.tp at least ade perubahan,tringt ngn
quote dari baju time anwar dlu,kalau takut dengan risiko,,usah bicara
tentang perjuangan.(lebey kurang la kot..:p)
tp bgi sy sndiri,sbgai seorng yg baru nak blajar sal linux nie,nak
jugak tgk cd yg based on linux kat pricelist lowyat.bkn ap,nti kalo
ade org tnye,at least kite leh ckp "ak tau la skit2,kalo ko nak
test,ak leh ajar skit2" dan seangkatan dengannyer.
lgpn skrng nie tgk dev FiMOS pn da brani nak slowtalk dgn kite,da
pndai bagi salam n join ngn kite,so rasenyer tu da menunjukkan
perkembangn yg baik.maybe kalo projek nie sukses,dorng nak wat versi
ntuk server lak ker,leh gak pnggil kite,jdik team skali.hehehe

2011/3/11 Harisfazillah Jamel :
> Kita perlu bermula. Sama ada kita suka atau tidak dengan cara mereka,
> we have to make that move.
>
> Saya hendak bertanya kepada semua. Hendak yang mana satu sekarang,
> selepas banyak projek OS Malaysia berkubur atau dormant, daripada
> Ketupat Linux (adoi mesti kena alert lagi nanti ni), Embun, KOMNAS
> (lupa nama projek) dan beberapa lagi.
>
> 1) Kita kondem dan kutuk dan mengata sampai thread ni beribu-ribu
> email tapi satu haram cadangan yang bergerak dan usaha alternatif atau
> usaha untuk berhubung dan untuk ke depan. Adakah kita mampu untuk jauh
> ke depan melawan big company yang banyak duit. Jangan hanya berjuang
> dengan pendapat dan padangan sahaja. Action needed. Jangan jadi
> pengikut jadilah leaders.
>
> Lepas tu bising dengan kerajaan tiada dana tiada peruntukan sedang,
> apa yang kita buat sekarang hanya menjadikan kita dipandang negatif
> oleh kerajaan.
>
> Setiap langkah mereka yang mahu menggunakan OSS kita lawan dan siasat
> sehingga ke akar ubi mengalah isteri cumburu suami keluar malam pulak
> nampaknya. Periksa HP, periksa email dan periksa entah apa lagi.
>
> Patutlah banyak syarikat tak mahu nak bantu kita. Kita ni dianggap
> macam melepas anjing yang tersepit. Sudah diberi sokongan (wang dan
> hubungan) kena kutuk balik.
>
> Pilihan ke dua
>
> Kita bantu dan kita tunjukkan jalan. Kita jumpa mereka dan kita bantu
> apa yang mereka perlu untuk menjadikan ia seperti apa yang kita
> hendak.
>
> Tapi timbul satu lagi soalan, apa sebenarnya kita hendak? sedangkan
> lesen OSS ni ada berpuluh yang menunjukkan ada pelbagai pendapat
> tentang pelaksanaan OSS.
>
> So fikir-fikirlah
>
> Saya mengambil pilihan kedua. Saya telah berhubung dengan FiMOS,
> berjumpa dengan mereka, malah ada CD FiMOS yang saya akan pasang nanti
> bila ada kesempatan. Saya akan cuba berikan pandangan dan bantuan mana
> yang saya mampu dalam memastikan usaha mereka berjaya. Bagi saya jika
> projek ini pun gagal, baik kita jangan buat OS kita sendiri.
>
> Sebab apa FiMOS? Tidak SimpleLinux dan OShirix dan yang lain. Sebab
> FiMOS telah ambil risiko ke depan yang melibatkan pelaburan modal
> sendiri dan politik. Dan juga tidak kurang 20 orang kakitangan yang
> telah berusaha untuk menjayakan projek ini. Besar risiko mereka.
>
> Jika kita dalam komuniti tidak bersama membantu siapa lagi? Berani ke
> kita? atau kita hanya berani menulis dalam email ini dan cakap
> sahaja
>
> Damp, sedih betul saya.
>
> Kerajaan dan masyarakat ada pandangan lain tentang bagaimana mereka
> menilaikan sesebuah projek itu berjaya. Sekali sekala jangan fikir
> tentang kita sahaja. Kita ni komuniti kecil aje. Tak ramai tapi maaf
> saya kata, kita ni berlagak
>
> Daripada banyak penulisan, maaf saya kata, kita ini selfish. Terlalu
> pentingkan diri sehingga memandang sebelah mata usaha orang lain.
>
> Wassalam.
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

anggaplah ini satu komen yang membina bukan nak condemned. condemntu kalau
sakit hati sikit sikit tak pa sekurang kurangnya kita akan beringat
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/who-owns-linux/17
kalau kau taknak bantu komuniti jadi kau bukan lah geng open sos
kau leh kuar ke open bravo or open core or whateva you are not in. go sell
your stuff somewhere else. we community are the one who own it. ingat linux
ni kita punya kalau kau nak manipulate orang silakan tapi you r not open
source ok?

azhar

Pada 11 Mac 2011 9:05 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel menulis:

> Kita perlu bermula. Sama ada kita suka atau tidak dengan cara mereka,
> we have to make that move.
>
> Saya hendak bertanya kepada semua. Hendak yang mana satu sekarang,
> selepas banyak projek OS Malaysia berkubur atau dormant, daripada
> Ketupat Linux (adoi mesti kena alert lagi nanti ni), Embun, KOMNAS
> (lupa nama projek) dan beberapa lagi.
>
> 1) Kita kondem dan kutuk dan mengata sampai thread ni beribu-ribu
> email tapi satu haram cadangan yang bergerak dan usaha alternatif atau
> usaha untuk berhubung dan untuk ke depan. Adakah kita mampu untuk jauh
> ke depan melawan big company yang banyak duit. Jangan hanya berjuang
> dengan pendapat dan padangan sahaja. Action needed. Jangan jadi
> pengikut jadilah leaders.
>
> Lepas tu bising dengan kerajaan tiada dana tiada peruntukan sedang,
> apa yang kita buat sekarang hanya menjadikan kita dipandang negatif
> oleh kerajaan.
>
> Setiap langkah mereka yang mahu menggunakan OSS kita lawan dan siasat
> sehingga ke akar ubi mengalah isteri cumburu suami keluar malam pulak
> nampaknya. Periksa HP, periksa email dan periksa entah apa lagi.
>
> Patutlah banyak syarikat tak mahu nak bantu kita. Kita ni dianggap
> macam melepas anjing yang tersepit. Sudah diberi sokongan (wang dan
> hubungan) kena kutuk balik.
>
> Pilihan ke dua
>
> Kita bantu dan kita tunjukkan jalan. Kita jumpa mereka dan kita bantu
> apa yang mereka perlu untuk menjadikan ia seperti apa yang kita
> hendak.
>
> Tapi timbul satu lagi soalan, apa sebenarnya kita hendak? sedangkan
> lesen OSS ni ada berpuluh yang menunjukkan ada pelbagai pendapat
> tentang pelaksanaan OSS.
>
> So fikir-fikirlah
>
> Saya mengambil pilihan kedua. Saya telah berhubung dengan FiMOS,
> berjumpa dengan mereka, malah ada CD FiMOS yang saya akan pasang nanti
> bila ada kesempatan. Saya akan cuba berikan pandangan dan bantuan mana
> yang saya mampu dalam memastikan usaha mereka berjaya. Bagi saya jika
> projek ini pun gagal, baik kita jangan buat OS kita sendiri.
>
> Sebab apa FiMOS? Tidak SimpleLinux dan OShirix dan yang lain. Sebab
> FiMOS telah ambil risiko ke depan yang melibatkan pelaburan modal
> sendiri dan politik. Dan juga tidak kurang 20 orang kakitangan yang
> telah berusaha untuk menjayakan projek ini. Besar risiko mereka.
>
> Jika kita dalam komuniti tidak bersama membantu siapa lagi? Berani ke
> kita? atau kita hanya berani menulis dalam email ini dan cakap
> sahaja
>
> Damp, sedih betul saya.
>
> Kerajaan dan masyarakat ada pandangan lain tentang bagaimana mereka
> menilaikan sesebuah projek itu berjaya. Sekali sekala jangan fikir
> tentang kita sahaja. Kita ni komuniti kecil aje. Tak ramai tapi maaf
> saya kata, kita ni berlagak
>
> Daripada banyak penulisan, maaf saya kata, kita ini selfish. Terlalu
> pentingkan diri sehingga memandang sebelah mata usaha orang lain.
>
> Wassalam.
>
> Harisfazillah Jamel
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-11 Terurut Topik Harisfazillah Jamel

Kita perlu bermula. Sama ada kita suka atau tidak dengan cara mereka,
we have to make that move.

Saya hendak bertanya kepada semua. Hendak yang mana satu sekarang,
selepas banyak projek OS Malaysia berkubur atau dormant, daripada
Ketupat Linux (adoi mesti kena alert lagi nanti ni), Embun, KOMNAS
(lupa nama projek) dan beberapa lagi.

1) Kita kondem dan kutuk dan mengata sampai thread ni beribu-ribu
email tapi satu haram cadangan yang bergerak dan usaha alternatif atau
usaha untuk berhubung dan untuk ke depan. Adakah kita mampu untuk jauh
ke depan melawan big company yang banyak duit. Jangan hanya berjuang
dengan pendapat dan padangan sahaja. Action needed. Jangan jadi
pengikut jadilah leaders.

Lepas tu bising dengan kerajaan tiada dana tiada peruntukan sedang,
apa yang kita buat sekarang hanya menjadikan kita dipandang negatif
oleh kerajaan.

Setiap langkah mereka yang mahu menggunakan OSS kita lawan dan siasat
sehingga ke akar ubi mengalah isteri cumburu suami keluar malam pulak
nampaknya. Periksa HP, periksa email dan periksa entah apa lagi.

Patutlah banyak syarikat tak mahu nak bantu kita. Kita ni dianggap
macam melepas anjing yang tersepit. Sudah diberi sokongan (wang dan
hubungan) kena kutuk balik.

Pilihan ke dua

Kita bantu dan kita tunjukkan jalan. Kita jumpa mereka dan kita bantu
apa yang mereka perlu untuk menjadikan ia seperti apa yang kita
hendak.

Tapi timbul satu lagi soalan, apa sebenarnya kita hendak? sedangkan
lesen OSS ni ada berpuluh yang menunjukkan ada pelbagai pendapat
tentang pelaksanaan OSS.

So fikir-fikirlah

Saya mengambil pilihan kedua. Saya telah berhubung dengan FiMOS,
berjumpa dengan mereka, malah ada CD FiMOS yang saya akan pasang nanti
bila ada kesempatan. Saya akan cuba berikan pandangan dan bantuan mana
yang saya mampu dalam memastikan usaha mereka berjaya. Bagi saya jika
projek ini pun gagal, baik kita jangan buat OS kita sendiri.

Sebab apa FiMOS? Tidak SimpleLinux dan OShirix dan yang lain. Sebab
FiMOS telah ambil risiko ke depan yang melibatkan pelaburan modal
sendiri dan politik. Dan juga tidak kurang 20 orang kakitangan yang
telah berusaha untuk menjayakan projek ini. Besar risiko mereka.

Jika kita dalam komuniti tidak bersama membantu siapa lagi? Berani ke
kita? atau kita hanya berani menulis dalam email ini dan cakap
sahaja

Damp, sedih betul saya.

Kerajaan dan masyarakat ada pandangan lain tentang bagaimana mereka
menilaikan sesebuah projek itu berjaya. Sekali sekala jangan fikir
tentang kita sahaja. Kita ni komuniti kecil aje. Tak ramai tapi maaf
saya kata, kita ni berlagak

Daripada banyak penulisan, maaf saya kata, kita ini selfish. Terlalu
pentingkan diri sehingga memandang sebelah mata usaha orang lain.

Wassalam.

Harisfazillah Jamel

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

red1 depa ni masih tak faham kut.. nak cakap macam mana lagi.
http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/12/19-percent-of-linux-kernel-development.html
kalau nak buat jual pilah kat negeri lain jangan jual kat kami
jangan buat orang kita macam hampa jual proton saga kat negeri org pputih  
murah

kat negeri sendiri hampa sauk kaw-kaw punye blahlah

azhar

try jual kat dublin ke baru gua respect
macam abang red1 kita
thanks for showing the light boss

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:22:50 +0800, [dev]Data Code   
wrote:

Thank you for your comment riZer Enterprise, we don't take any comment
lightly. Allow me to humbly disagree with your statement which is
"bukan malaysia punya rupenyer... :)" . To my knowledge, our appointed
technology partner is formed by local entrepreneur (usahawan) mostly
in ICT fields, is Malaysian by far of the current milestone. We also
open our hands to any local entrepreneur to join us and create an
ecosystem based on our current business model and see how we can move
forward to grow together. So to speak, everyone is invited by far as
to my knowledge in terms of being our appointed technology partner.
Allow me to suggest, to get current and accurate information from our
Facebook page or our official website for any information updates. You
can find the list of our appointed technology partner in our Contact
Us page (please scroll down a bit for the list) at the official
website.

Please do correct me, if i'm wrong interpreting your gesture.

Thank you, best regards

On Mar 10, 5:40 pm, riZer Enterprise 
wrote:

It is available through our appointed technology
partner which is listed through our official website. Thank you again.
bukan malaysia punya rupanyer ... :)

2011/3/10 sweemeng ng 

> Personally I think that by not having a public accessible iso image  
will be
> a liability, though I might understand the reason why you don't want  
to

> release this publicly.

> Just my 2 cent. Wish you guys luck anyway..

> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:41 PM, [dev]Data Code  
wrote:

>> Thank you for your interest in FiMOS, your comments and suggestion is
>> appreciated and important to us in order to make a better change
>> towards local distro. Unfortunately our distro is not available to
>> download officially. It is available through our appointed technology
>> partner which is listed through our official website. Thank you  
again.

>> On Mar 10, 10:09 am, Meling Mudin  wrote:
>> > > cekedaut fimos fb .. ada latest stable final release screen  
shot...

>> > Hi,

>> > Is there a download link for the ISO? I, for one, would really  
like to

>> test
>> > it.

>> > --mel

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[osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-10 Terurut Topik [dev]Data Code

Thank you for your comment riZer Enterprise, we don't take any comment
lightly. Allow me to humbly disagree with your statement which is
"bukan malaysia punya rupenyer... :)" . To my knowledge, our appointed
technology partner is formed by local entrepreneur (usahawan) mostly
in ICT fields, is Malaysian by far of the current milestone. We also
open our hands to any local entrepreneur to join us and create an
ecosystem based on our current business model and see how we can move
forward to grow together. So to speak, everyone is invited by far as
to my knowledge in terms of being our appointed technology partner.
Allow me to suggest, to get current and accurate information from our
Facebook page or our official website for any information updates. You
can find the list of our appointed technology partner in our Contact
Us page (please scroll down a bit for the list) at the official
website.

Please do correct me, if i'm wrong interpreting your gesture.

Thank you, best regards

On Mar 10, 5:40 pm, riZer Enterprise 
wrote:
> It is available through our appointed technology
> partner which is listed through our official website. Thank you again.
> bukan malaysia punya rupanyer ... :)
>
> 2011/3/10 sweemeng ng 
>
> > Personally I think that by not having a public accessible iso image will be
> > a liability, though I might understand the reason why you don't want to
> > release this publicly.
>
> > Just my 2 cent. Wish you guys luck anyway..
>
> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:41 PM, [dev]Data Code 
> > wrote:
>
> >> Thank you for your interest in FiMOS, your comments and suggestion is
> >> appreciated and important to us in order to make a better change
> >> towards local distro. Unfortunately our distro is not available to
> >> download officially. It is available through our appointed technology
> >> partner which is listed through our official website. Thank you again.
>
> >> On Mar 10, 10:09 am, Meling Mudin  wrote:
> >> > > cekedaut fimos fb .. ada latest stable final release screen shot...
>
> >> > Hi,
>
> >> > Is there a download link for the ISO? I, for one, would really like to
> >> test
> >> > it.
>
> >> > --mel
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-10 Terurut Topik Garfield WTF

actually i think of Makcik PC if they rebrand it with another name, just
that wat My1OS did, the Makcikc PC will be able to success.

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-10 Terurut Topik riZer Enterprise

It is available through our appointed technology
partner which is listed through our official website. Thank you again.
bukan malaysia punya rupanyer ... :)



2011/3/10 sweemeng ng 

> Personally I think that by not having a public accessible iso image will be
> a liability, though I might understand the reason why you don't want to
> release this publicly.
>
> Just my 2 cent. Wish you guys luck anyway..
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:41 PM, [dev]Data Code wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your interest in FiMOS, your comments and suggestion is
>> appreciated and important to us in order to make a better change
>> towards local distro. Unfortunately our distro is not available to
>> download officially. It is available through our appointed technology
>> partner which is listed through our official website. Thank you again.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 10, 10:09 am, Meling Mudin  wrote:
>> > > cekedaut fimos fb .. ada latest stable final release screen shot...
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Is there a download link for the ISO? I, for one, would really like to
>> test
>> > it.
>> >
>> > --mel
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-09 Terurut Topik sweemeng ng

Personally I think that by not having a public accessible iso image will be
a liability, though I might understand the reason why you don't want to
release this publicly.

Just my 2 cent. Wish you guys luck anyway..

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:41 PM, [dev]Data Code wrote:

> Thank you for your interest in FiMOS, your comments and suggestion is
> appreciated and important to us in order to make a better change
> towards local distro. Unfortunately our distro is not available to
> download officially. It is available through our appointed technology
> partner which is listed through our official website. Thank you again.
>
>
> On Mar 10, 10:09 am, Meling Mudin  wrote:
> > > cekedaut fimos fb .. ada latest stable final release screen shot...
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a download link for the ISO? I, for one, would really like to
> test
> > it.
> >
> > --mel
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[osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-09 Terurut Topik [dev]Data Code

Thank you and please do accept sincerest apology too.


Regards

On Mar 10, 1:29 pm, Umarzuki Mochlis  wrote:
> I was actually referring to Makcik PC as quoted from Haris Ali's reply.
> Sorry if I had made a wrong gesture.
>
> 2011/3/10 [dev]Data Code 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Thank for your comment and suggestion, i'm humbly disagree with your
> > statement towards our distro which we are not joking when we decided
> > to invite VVIP from federal level to officiate our distro launching
> > event and appoint our locals entrepreneur to join us in making an
> > ecosystem of opensource business related. If you need further
> > information, please refer to our group distro Facebook page and our
> > official page to get correct and accurate information about our
> > distro.
>
> > Above all, thank you for your interest, comments and suggestion
> > towards making a better local distro in Malaysia.
>
> > Regards
>
> > On Mar 10, 10:26 am, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar 
> > wrote:
> > > That would be a probable case of its unavailability. Everyone thought it
> > > was a joke.
>
> > > On 03/10/2011 07:41 AM, Haris bin Ali wrote:
>
> > > > Of course calling it the makcik PC might have something to do with
> > > > people not wanting to buy it... except maybe as a joke
>
> > > > //ha...@qedx.com
>
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>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-09 Terurut Topik Umarzuki Mochlis

I was actually referring to Makcik PC as quoted from Haris Ali's reply.
Sorry if I had made a wrong gesture.

2011/3/10 [dev]Data Code 

> Thank for your comment and suggestion, i'm humbly disagree with your
> statement towards our distro which we are not joking when we decided
> to invite VVIP from federal level to officiate our distro launching
> event and appoint our locals entrepreneur to join us in making an
> ecosystem of opensource business related. If you need further
> information, please refer to our group distro Facebook page and our
> official page to get correct and accurate information about our
> distro.
>
> Above all, thank you for your interest, comments and suggestion
> towards making a better local distro in Malaysia.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Mar 10, 10:26 am, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar 
> wrote:
> > That would be a probable case of its unavailability. Everyone thought it
> > was a joke.
> >
> > On 03/10/2011 07:41 AM, Haris bin Ali wrote:
> >
> > > Of course calling it the makcik PC might have something to do with
> > > people not wanting to buy it... except maybe as a joke
> >
> > > //ha...@qedx.com
>
> --
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Umarzuki Mochlis
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[osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-09 Terurut Topik [dev]Data Code

Thank for your comment and suggestion, i'm humbly disagree with your
statement towards our distro which we are not joking when we decided
to invite VVIP from federal level to officiate our distro launching
event and appoint our locals entrepreneur to join us in making an
ecosystem of opensource business related. If you need further
information, please refer to our group distro Facebook page and our
official page to get correct and accurate information about our
distro.

Above all, thank you for your interest, comments and suggestion
towards making a better local distro in Malaysia.

Regards

On Mar 10, 10:26 am, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar 
wrote:
> That would be a probable case of its unavailability. Everyone thought it
> was a joke.
>
> On 03/10/2011 07:41 AM, Haris bin Ali wrote:
>
> > Of course calling it the makcik PC might have something to do with
> > people not wanting to buy it... except maybe as a joke
>
> > //ha...@qedx.com

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[osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-09 Terurut Topik [dev]Data Code

Thank you for your interest in FiMOS, your comments and suggestion is
appreciated and important to us in order to make a better change
towards local distro. Unfortunately our distro is not available to
download officially. It is available through our appointed technology
partner which is listed through our official website. Thank you again.

On Mar 10, 10:09 am, Meling Mudin  wrote:
> > cekedaut fimos fb .. ada latest stable final release screen shot...
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there a download link for the ISO? I, for one, would really like to test
> it.
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-09 Terurut Topik Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar

That would be a probable case of its unavailability. Everyone thought it 
was a joke.


On 03/10/2011 07:41 AM, Haris bin Ali wrote:

Of course calling it the makcik PC might have something to do with
people not wanting to buy it... except maybe as a joke

//ha...@qedx.com



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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-09 Terurut Topik Meling Mudin


>
>
> cekedaut fimos fb .. ada latest stable final release screen shot...
>
>
Hi, 

Is there a download link for the ISO? I, for one, would really like to test 
it.

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-09 Terurut Topik Haris bin Ali

Of course calling it the makcik PC might have something to do with
people not wanting to buy it... except maybe as a joke

//ha...@qedx.com



On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:44 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
> don't forget makcik pc is originally running on windows XP(when I last
> heard, I could really be wrong).
> Which already not the same.
> Don't forget people only to take tablet seriously when apple shows that you
> need a different OS for a tablet for a different type of implementation, you
> can't just put a desktop OS add drivers to the hardware and make it a tablet
> PC, microsoft tried that, and it failed long time ago. Of course different
> OS is again one of many component. But it is one of the big one.
> But another reason of failure is, malaysian never seen support product from
> own countryman, never know why, never understood why. of course that is
> another story altogether.
> Also i got a feeling makcik pc hardware spec might even be obsolete, even
> for running linux. got a feeling that cheaper hardware is available for a
> cheaper cost
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
>  wrote:
>>
>> what we do need is people that make other people convincing..like what
>> steve jobs do
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> bayangkan.. kalau makcik pc release tahun 2007 even before ipad /
>>> android tablet / ubuntu netbook
>>>
>>> this is what happens when there are too many armchair critics, and not
>>> enough supporters who are bold enough to make the leap
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 

 rase mybe lam development lg kot.yg nmpk menjadik mcm produk netbook
 1malaysia.tp dsbbkan malaysia dah ade OS sndiri,cube krajaan combine
 netbook 1malaysia ngn FiMOS.msti menarik.2-2 produk malaysia.;)

 On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
  wrote:
 > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:26 PM, darXness darXness
 > 
 > wrote:
 >>
 >> hahaha..lupe sih.ala..google jer "makcik pc".mcm2 kuar.tp last news
 >> tahun 2009 kot.lame gak tu.tp rase ntuk netbook 1 malaysia same la
 >> mcm
 >> iDola.adik beradik makcik pc
 >
 > kerajaan tolak produk malaysiakah?
 >>
 >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Soire Meira 
 >> wrote:
 >> > xblh buka.. nk tgk jgk
 >> >
 >> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 12:12 PM, sallehy  menulis:
 >> >>
 >> >>
 >> >>
 >> >> http://www.wirespot.net/2007/12/02/makcik-introduced-by-mimos-in-malaysia/
 >> >> MakCik PC will be priced between RM500-RM1100 and will be
 >> >> available in
 >> >> certain models with different specs. It does not come with
 >> >> keyboard,
 >> >> and has
 >> >> a 16inch of wide screen.
 >> >> * pada 2 Dec 2007
 >> >>
 >> >> 2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
 >> >>>
 >> >>> ingat lagi masa kat UPSI? kan mimos ade buat showcase
 >> >>>
 >> >>> 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
 >> 
 >>  hahah.ye kot.ak pn xigt.tp kalo xslp,die penah kuar kat majalah
 >>  pc
 >>  dlu.kalo xslp mimos yg wat.
 >> 
 >>  2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
 >>  > 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
 >>  >>
 >>  >> lame xdgr makcik pc.rase da jdik nenek kot.huhuhu
 >>  >
 >>  > dah ramai dah cucu cicit dia..sebab seingat aku makcik pc
 >>  > keluar
 >>  > masa
 >>  > zaman
 >>  > P4 HT 2.4Ghz, plus aku tingkatan 2 kalau tak silap
 >>  >>
 >>  >> 2011/3/9 Soire Meira :
 >>  >> > device apa tu?
 >>  >> >
 >>  >> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
 >>  >> > 
 >>  >> > menulis:
 >>  >> >>
 >>  >> >> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada
 >>  >> >> siapa-siapa
 >>  >> >> boleh
 >>  >> >> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
 >>  >> >>
 >>  >> >> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
 >>  >> >>>
 >>  >> >>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang
 >>  >> >>> diberikan.
 >>  >> >>> sila
 >>  >> >>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil
 >>  >> >>> positif
 >>  >> >>> setiap
 >>  >> >>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap
 >>  >> >>> rakan2
 >>  >> >>> sudi
 >>  >> >>> memberi
 >>  >> >>> tunjuk ajar.
 >>  >> >>>
 >>  >> >>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 
 >>  >> 
 >>  >>  thank you for the clarification
 >>  >> 
 >>  >>  best wishes on your bold initiative.
 >>  >> 
 >>  >>  there will be many challenges, therefore many
 >>  >>  opportunities
 >>  >>  to
 >>  >>  learn.
 >>  >> 
 >>  >>  and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay
 >>  >>  /

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

Dari manual fimos

A. FiMOS is made up of individual software components that were
created by various
individuals and entities (͞Software Programmes͟). You may install
FiMOS on unlimited
home computers of his or hers for non-commercial use and one
commercial use computer.
When FiMOS is used with virtualization or emulation technology, each
virtual or emulated
environment shall be considered a computer effectively limiting an end
user to one
instance of the software running on a single physical computer for
commercial use.

Is it mean we can distribute to other mmber if one of us buy it?

2011/3/9 darXness darXness :
> rase mybe lam development lg kot.yg nmpk menjadik mcm produk netbook
> 1malaysia.tp dsbbkan malaysia dah ade OS sndiri,cube krajaan combine
> netbook 1malaysia ngn FiMOS.msti menarik.2-2 produk malaysia.;)
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
>  wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:26 PM, darXness darXness 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hahaha..lupe sih.ala..google jer "makcik pc".mcm2 kuar.tp last news
>>> tahun 2009 kot.lame gak tu.tp rase ntuk netbook 1 malaysia same la mcm
>>> iDola.adik beradik makcik pc
>>
>> kerajaan tolak produk malaysiakah?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>>> > xblh buka.. nk tgk jgk
>>> >
>>> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 12:12 PM, sallehy  menulis:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.wirespot.net/2007/12/02/makcik-introduced-by-mimos-in-malaysia/
>>> >> MakCik PC will be priced between RM500-RM1100 and will be available in
>>> >> certain models with different specs. It does not come with keyboard,
>>> >> and has
>>> >> a 16inch of wide screen.
>>> >> * pada 2 Dec 2007
>>> >>
>>> >> 2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ingat lagi masa kat UPSI? kan mimos ade buat showcase
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
>>> 
>>>  hahah.ye kot.ak pn xigt.tp kalo xslp,die penah kuar kat majalah pc
>>>  dlu.kalo xslp mimos yg wat.
>>> 
>>>  2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
>>>  > 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
>>>  >>
>>>  >> lame xdgr makcik pc.rase da jdik nenek kot.huhuhu
>>>  >
>>>  > dah ramai dah cucu cicit dia..sebab seingat aku makcik pc keluar
>>>  > masa
>>>  > zaman
>>>  > P4 HT 2.4Ghz, plus aku tingkatan 2 kalau tak silap
>>>  >>
>>>  >> 2011/3/9 Soire Meira :
>>>  >> > device apa tu?
>>>  >> >
>>>  >> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
>>>  >> > 
>>>  >> > menulis:
>>>  >> >>
>>>  >> >> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada
>>>  >> >> siapa-siapa
>>>  >> >> boleh
>>>  >> >> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
>>>  >> >>
>>>  >> >> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
>>>  >> >>>
>>>  >> >>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang
>>>  >> >>> diberikan.
>>>  >> >>> sila
>>>  >> >>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil
>>>  >> >>> positif
>>>  >> >>> setiap
>>>  >> >>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap rakan2
>>>  >> >>> sudi
>>>  >> >>> memberi
>>>  >> >>> tunjuk ajar.
>>>  >> >>>
>>>  >> >>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>>  >> 
>>>  >>  thank you for the clarification
>>>  >> 
>>>  >>  best wishes on your bold initiative.
>>>  >> 
>>>  >>  there will be many challenges, therefore many opportunities
>>>  >>  to
>>>  >>  learn.
>>>  >> 
>>>  >>  and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay /
>>>  >>  chinese /
>>>  >>  tamil localisation - and the many more more languages and
>>>  >>  dialects,
>>>  >>  then we
>>>  >>  would truly have a my1os : 1 os for all malaysians.
>>>  >> 
>>>  >>  back in 2004 drb-hicom it released its' own distro using an
>>>  >>  icon
>>>  >>  based
>>>  >>  desktop interface. a unique approach for a computer. but now,
>>>  >>  we
>>>  >>  have
>>>  >>  the
>>>  >>  ipad, the android tablet, the 'controversial' ubuntu unity
>>>  >>  
>>>  >>  a few
>>>  >>  years
>>>  >>  back, mimos also released the makcik pc, which used icons for
>>>  >>  the
>>>  >>  desktop
>>>  >>  interface on a tablet, unfortunately, it did not go to market
>>>  >>  (maybe
>>>  >>  too
>>>  >>  many critical comments). having said that i have been using
>>>  >>  the
>>>  >>  ubuntu
>>>  >>  netbook for more than 1 year now, and i love the icon
>>>  >>  interface
>>>  >>  desktop.
>>>  >> 
>>>  >>  therefore, these type of evolution is good. the first may not
>>>  >>  be
>>>  >>  good,
>>>  >>  the second may be a disaster, but hopefully the third will be
>>>  >>  a
>>>  >>  leader. have
>>>  >>  lots of patience a

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

rase mybe lam development lg kot.yg nmpk menjadik mcm produk netbook
1malaysia.tp dsbbkan malaysia dah ade OS sndiri,cube krajaan combine
netbook 1malaysia ngn FiMOS.msti menarik.2-2 produk malaysia.;)

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
 wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:26 PM, darXness darXness 
> wrote:
>>
>> hahaha..lupe sih.ala..google jer "makcik pc".mcm2 kuar.tp last news
>> tahun 2009 kot.lame gak tu.tp rase ntuk netbook 1 malaysia same la mcm
>> iDola.adik beradik makcik pc
>
> kerajaan tolak produk malaysiakah?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>> > xblh buka.. nk tgk jgk
>> >
>> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 12:12 PM, sallehy  menulis:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.wirespot.net/2007/12/02/makcik-introduced-by-mimos-in-malaysia/
>> >> MakCik PC will be priced between RM500-RM1100 and will be available in
>> >> certain models with different specs. It does not come with keyboard,
>> >> and has
>> >> a 16inch of wide screen.
>> >> * pada 2 Dec 2007
>> >>
>> >> 2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>> >>>
>> >>> ingat lagi masa kat UPSI? kan mimos ade buat showcase
>> >>>
>> >>> 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
>> 
>>  hahah.ye kot.ak pn xigt.tp kalo xslp,die penah kuar kat majalah pc
>>  dlu.kalo xslp mimos yg wat.
>> 
>>  2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
>>  > 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
>>  >>
>>  >> lame xdgr makcik pc.rase da jdik nenek kot.huhuhu
>>  >
>>  > dah ramai dah cucu cicit dia..sebab seingat aku makcik pc keluar
>>  > masa
>>  > zaman
>>  > P4 HT 2.4Ghz, plus aku tingkatan 2 kalau tak silap
>>  >>
>>  >> 2011/3/9 Soire Meira :
>>  >> > device apa tu?
>>  >> >
>>  >> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
>>  >> > 
>>  >> > menulis:
>>  >> >>
>>  >> >> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada
>>  >> >> siapa-siapa
>>  >> >> boleh
>>  >> >> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
>>  >> >>
>>  >> >> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
>>  >> >>>
>>  >> >>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang
>>  >> >>> diberikan.
>>  >> >>> sila
>>  >> >>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil
>>  >> >>> positif
>>  >> >>> setiap
>>  >> >>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap rakan2
>>  >> >>> sudi
>>  >> >>> memberi
>>  >> >>> tunjuk ajar.
>>  >> >>>
>>  >> >>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>  >> 
>>  >>  thank you for the clarification
>>  >> 
>>  >>  best wishes on your bold initiative.
>>  >> 
>>  >>  there will be many challenges, therefore many opportunities
>>  >>  to
>>  >>  learn.
>>  >> 
>>  >>  and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay /
>>  >>  chinese /
>>  >>  tamil localisation - and the many more more languages and
>>  >>  dialects,
>>  >>  then we
>>  >>  would truly have a my1os : 1 os for all malaysians.
>>  >> 
>>  >>  back in 2004 drb-hicom it released its' own distro using an
>>  >>  icon
>>  >>  based
>>  >>  desktop interface. a unique approach for a computer. but now,
>>  >>  we
>>  >>  have
>>  >>  the
>>  >>  ipad, the android tablet, the 'controversial' ubuntu unity
>>  >>  
>>  >>  a few
>>  >>  years
>>  >>  back, mimos also released the makcik pc, which used icons for
>>  >>  the
>>  >>  desktop
>>  >>  interface on a tablet, unfortunately, it did not go to market
>>  >>  (maybe
>>  >>  too
>>  >>  many critical comments). having said that i have been using
>>  >>  the
>>  >>  ubuntu
>>  >>  netbook for more than 1 year now, and i love the icon
>>  >>  interface
>>  >>  desktop.
>>  >> 
>>  >>  therefore, these type of evolution is good. the first may not
>>  >>  be
>>  >>  good,
>>  >>  the second may be a disaster, but hopefully the third will be
>>  >>  a
>>  >>  leader. have
>>  >>  lots of patience and pay close attention to your customers.
>>  >> 
>>  >>  best wishes and good luck.
>>  >> 
>>  >> 
>>  >> 
>>  >> 
>>  >>  2011/3/9 [dev]Data Code 
>>  >> >
>>  >> > W,salam w.b.t,
>>  >> >
>>  >> > Terima kasih tuan Haris dan kepada semua rakan sekelian.
>>  >> > Kami
>>  >> > berharap
>>  >> > kehadiran kami tidak membebankan mana mana pihak dan
>>  >> > insyallah
>>  >> > kami
>>  >> > sedaya upaya untuk memastikan yang terbaik pada semua pihak.
>>  >> > Segala
>>  >> > tunjuk ajar dan komentar amatlah dihargai dan diucapkan
>>  >> > setinggi
>>  >> > terima kasih.
>> >

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:26 PM, darXness darXness wrote:

> hahaha..lupe sih.ala..google jer "makcik pc".mcm2 kuar.tp last news
> tahun 2009 kot.lame gak tu.tp rase ntuk netbook 1 malaysia same la mcm
> iDola.adik beradik makcik pc
>
kerajaan tolak produk malaysiakah?

>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
> > xblh buka.. nk tgk jgk
> >
> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 12:12 PM, sallehy  menulis:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.wirespot.net/2007/12/02/makcik-introduced-by-mimos-in-malaysia/
> >> MakCik PC will be priced between RM500-RM1100 and will be available in
> >> certain models with different specs. It does not come with keyboard, and
> has
> >> a 16inch of wide screen.
> >> * pada 2 Dec 2007
> >>
> >> 2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
> >>>
> >>> ingat lagi masa kat UPSI? kan mimos ade buat showcase
> >>>
> >>> 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
> 
>  hahah.ye kot.ak pn xigt.tp kalo xslp,die penah kuar kat majalah pc
>  dlu.kalo xslp mimos yg wat.
> 
>  2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
>  > 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
>  >>
>  >> lame xdgr makcik pc.rase da jdik nenek kot.huhuhu
>  >
>  > dah ramai dah cucu cicit dia..sebab seingat aku makcik pc keluar
> masa
>  > zaman
>  > P4 HT 2.4Ghz, plus aku tingkatan 2 kalau tak silap
>  >>
>  >> 2011/3/9 Soire Meira :
>  >> > device apa tu?
>  >> >
>  >> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
>  >> > 
>  >> > menulis:
>  >> >>
>  >> >> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada
>  >> >> siapa-siapa
>  >> >> boleh
>  >> >> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
>  >> >>
>  >> >> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
>  >> >>>
>  >> >>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang
>  >> >>> diberikan.
>  >> >>> sila
>  >> >>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil positif
>  >> >>> setiap
>  >> >>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap rakan2
>  >> >>> sudi
>  >> >>> memberi
>  >> >>> tunjuk ajar.
>  >> >>>
>  >> >>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>  >> 
>  >>  thank you for the clarification
>  >> 
>  >>  best wishes on your bold initiative.
>  >> 
>  >>  there will be many challenges, therefore many opportunities to
>  >>  learn.
>  >> 
>  >>  and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay /
>  >>  chinese /
>  >>  tamil localisation - and the many more more languages and
>  >>  dialects,
>  >>  then we
>  >>  would truly have a my1os : 1 os for all malaysians.
>  >> 
>  >>  back in 2004 drb-hicom it released its' own distro using an
> icon
>  >>  based
>  >>  desktop interface. a unique approach for a computer. but now,
> we
>  >>  have
>  >>  the
>  >>  ipad, the android tablet, the 'controversial' ubuntu unity
> 
>  >>  a few
>  >>  years
>  >>  back, mimos also released the makcik pc, which used icons for
>  >>  the
>  >>  desktop
>  >>  interface on a tablet, unfortunately, it did not go to market
>  >>  (maybe
>  >>  too
>  >>  many critical comments). having said that i have been using
> the
>  >>  ubuntu
>  >>  netbook for more than 1 year now, and i love the icon
> interface
>  >>  desktop.
>  >> 
>  >>  therefore, these type of evolution is good. the first may not
> be
>  >>  good,
>  >>  the second may be a disaster, but hopefully the third will be
> a
>  >>  leader. have
>  >>  lots of patience and pay close attention to your customers.
>  >> 
>  >>  best wishes and good luck.
>  >> 
>  >> 
>  >> 
>  >> 
>  >>  2011/3/9 [dev]Data Code 
>  >> >
>  >> > W,salam w.b.t,
>  >> >
>  >> > Terima kasih tuan Haris dan kepada semua rakan sekelian. Kami
>  >> > berharap
>  >> > kehadiran kami tidak membebankan mana mana pihak dan
> insyallah
>  >> > kami
>  >> > sedaya upaya untuk memastikan yang terbaik pada semua pihak.
>  >> > Segala
>  >> > tunjuk ajar dan komentar amatlah dihargai dan diucapkan
>  >> > setinggi
>  >> > terima kasih.
>  >> >
>  >> >
>  >> > On Mar 9, 2:34 am, Harisfazillah Jamel
>  >> > 
>  >> > wrote:
>  >> > > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
>  >> > >
>  >> > > Buat rakan-rakan di FiMOS
>  >> > >
>  >> > > First at all tahniah  Saya tak kesempatan lagi hendak
>  >> > > mencuba.
>  >> > > Memang ada hajat hendak format NB di rumah yang semakin
> slow.
>  >> > >
>  >> > > First of all tulisan saya adalah pandangan peribadi.
>  >> > >
>  >> > > By

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

hahaha..lupe sih.ala..google jer "makcik pc".mcm2 kuar.tp last news
tahun 2009 kot.lame gak tu.tp rase ntuk netbook 1 malaysia same la mcm
iDola.adik beradik makcik pc

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
> xblh buka.. nk tgk jgk
>
> Pada 9 Mac 2011 12:12 PM, sallehy  menulis:
>>
>> http://www.wirespot.net/2007/12/02/makcik-introduced-by-mimos-in-malaysia/
>> MakCik PC will be priced between RM500-RM1100 and will be available in
>> certain models with different specs. It does not come with keyboard, and has
>> a 16inch of wide screen.
>> * pada 2 Dec 2007
>>
>> 2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>>
>>> ingat lagi masa kat UPSI? kan mimos ade buat showcase
>>>
>>> 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 

 hahah.ye kot.ak pn xigt.tp kalo xslp,die penah kuar kat majalah pc
 dlu.kalo xslp mimos yg wat.

 2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
 > 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
 >>
 >> lame xdgr makcik pc.rase da jdik nenek kot.huhuhu
 >
 > dah ramai dah cucu cicit dia..sebab seingat aku makcik pc keluar masa
 > zaman
 > P4 HT 2.4Ghz, plus aku tingkatan 2 kalau tak silap
 >>
 >> 2011/3/9 Soire Meira :
 >> > device apa tu?
 >> >
 >> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
 >> > 
 >> > menulis:
 >> >>
 >> >> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada
 >> >> siapa-siapa
 >> >> boleh
 >> >> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
 >> >>
 >> >> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
 >> >>>
 >> >>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang
 >> >>> diberikan.
 >> >>> sila
 >> >>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil positif
 >> >>> setiap
 >> >>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap rakan2
 >> >>> sudi
 >> >>> memberi
 >> >>> tunjuk ajar.
 >> >>>
 >> >>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 
 >> 
 >>  thank you for the clarification
 >> 
 >>  best wishes on your bold initiative.
 >> 
 >>  there will be many challenges, therefore many opportunities to
 >>  learn.
 >> 
 >>  and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay /
 >>  chinese /
 >>  tamil localisation - and the many more more languages and
 >>  dialects,
 >>  then we
 >>  would truly have a my1os : 1 os for all malaysians.
 >> 
 >>  back in 2004 drb-hicom it released its' own distro using an icon
 >>  based
 >>  desktop interface. a unique approach for a computer. but now, we
 >>  have
 >>  the
 >>  ipad, the android tablet, the 'controversial' ubuntu unity 
 >>  a few
 >>  years
 >>  back, mimos also released the makcik pc, which used icons for
 >>  the
 >>  desktop
 >>  interface on a tablet, unfortunately, it did not go to market
 >>  (maybe
 >>  too
 >>  many critical comments). having said that i have been using the
 >>  ubuntu
 >>  netbook for more than 1 year now, and i love the icon interface
 >>  desktop.
 >> 
 >>  therefore, these type of evolution is good. the first may not be
 >>  good,
 >>  the second may be a disaster, but hopefully the third will be a
 >>  leader. have
 >>  lots of patience and pay close attention to your customers.
 >> 
 >>  best wishes and good luck.
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >>  2011/3/9 [dev]Data Code 
 >> >
 >> > W,salam w.b.t,
 >> >
 >> > Terima kasih tuan Haris dan kepada semua rakan sekelian. Kami
 >> > berharap
 >> > kehadiran kami tidak membebankan mana mana pihak dan insyallah
 >> > kami
 >> > sedaya upaya untuk memastikan yang terbaik pada semua pihak.
 >> > Segala
 >> > tunjuk ajar dan komentar amatlah dihargai dan diucapkan
 >> > setinggi
 >> > terima kasih.
 >> >
 >> >
 >> > On Mar 9, 2:34 am, Harisfazillah Jamel
 >> > 
 >> > wrote:
 >> > > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
 >> > >
 >> > > Buat rakan-rakan di FiMOS
 >> > >
 >> > > First at all tahniah  Saya tak kesempatan lagi hendak
 >> > > mencuba.
 >> > > Memang ada hajat hendak format NB di rumah yang semakin slow.
 >> > >
 >> > > First of all tulisan saya adalah pandangan peribadi.
 >> > >
 >> > > By launching FiMOS, we are opening a Pandora box. Macam-macam
 >> > > akan
 >> > > timbul. Saya rasa ada antara kita akan rasa tidak puas hati,
 >> > > rasa
 >> > > tak
 >> > > betul, rasa mcm nak komen, kurang setuju dan semua
 >> > > negatiflah.
 >> > > Termasuklah saya pada masa dahulu..
 >> > >
 >> > > Tapi,

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-08 Terurut Topik Soire Meira

xblh buka.. nk tgk jgk

Pada 9 Mac 2011 12:12 PM, sallehy  menulis:

> http://www.wirespot.net/2007/12/02/makcik-introduced-by-mimos-in-malaysia/
>
> *MakCik
> PC will be priced between RM500-RM1100 and will be available in certain
> models with different specs. It does not come with keyboard, and has a
> 16inch of wide screen.*
> ** pada 2 Dec 2007*
>
>
> 2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>
>> ingat lagi masa kat UPSI? kan mimos ade buat showcase
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
>>
>>> hahah.ye kot.ak pn xigt.tp kalo xslp,die penah kuar kat majalah pc
>>> dlu.kalo xslp mimos yg wat.
>>>
>>> 2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
>>> > 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
>>> >>
>>> >> lame xdgr makcik pc.rase da jdik nenek kot.huhuhu
>>> >
>>> > dah ramai dah cucu cicit dia..sebab seingat aku makcik pc keluar masa
>>> zaman
>>> > P4 HT 2.4Ghz, plus aku tingkatan 2 kalau tak silap
>>> >>
>>> >> 2011/3/9 Soire Meira :
>>> >> > device apa tu?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > menulis:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada siapa-siapa
>>> >> >> boleh
>>> >> >> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang
>>> diberikan.
>>> >> >>> sila
>>> >> >>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil positif
>>> setiap
>>> >> >>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap rakan2 sudi
>>> >> >>> memberi
>>> >> >>> tunjuk ajar.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>> >> 
>>> >>  thank you for the clarification
>>> >> 
>>> >>  best wishes on your bold initiative.
>>> >> 
>>> >>  there will be many challenges, therefore many opportunities to
>>> learn.
>>> >> 
>>> >>  and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay /
>>> chinese /
>>> >>  tamil localisation - and the many more more languages and
>>> dialects,
>>> >>  then we
>>> >>  would truly have a my1os : 1 os for all malaysians.
>>> >> 
>>> >>  back in 2004 drb-hicom it released its' own distro using an icon
>>> >>  based
>>> >>  desktop interface. a unique approach for a computer. but now, we
>>> have
>>> >>  the
>>> >>  ipad, the android tablet, the 'controversial' ubuntu unity  a
>>> few
>>> >>  years
>>> >>  back, mimos also released the makcik pc, which used icons for the
>>> >>  desktop
>>> >>  interface on a tablet, unfortunately, it did not go to market
>>> (maybe
>>> >>  too
>>> >>  many critical comments). having said that i have been using the
>>> >>  ubuntu
>>> >>  netbook for more than 1 year now, and i love the icon interface
>>> >>  desktop.
>>> >> 
>>> >>  therefore, these type of evolution is good. the first may not be
>>> >>  good,
>>> >>  the second may be a disaster, but hopefully the third will be a
>>> >>  leader. have
>>> >>  lots of patience and pay close attention to your customers.
>>> >> 
>>> >>  best wishes and good luck.
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >>  2011/3/9 [dev]Data Code 
>>> >> >
>>> >> > W,salam w.b.t,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Terima kasih tuan Haris dan kepada semua rakan sekelian. Kami
>>> >> > berharap
>>> >> > kehadiran kami tidak membebankan mana mana pihak dan insyallah
>>> kami
>>> >> > sedaya upaya untuk memastikan yang terbaik pada semua pihak.
>>> Segala
>>> >> > tunjuk ajar dan komentar amatlah dihargai dan diucapkan setinggi
>>> >> > terima kasih.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mar 9, 2:34 am, Harisfazillah Jamel >> >
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> > > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Buat rakan-rakan di FiMOS
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > First at all tahniah  Saya tak kesempatan lagi hendak
>>> mencuba.
>>> >> > > Memang ada hajat hendak format NB di rumah yang semakin slow.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > First of all tulisan saya adalah pandangan peribadi.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > By launching FiMOS, we are opening a Pandora box. Macam-macam
>>> akan
>>> >> > > timbul. Saya rasa ada antara kita akan rasa tidak puas hati,
>>> rasa
>>> >> > > tak
>>> >> > > betul, rasa mcm nak komen, kurang setuju dan semua negatiflah.
>>> >> > > Termasuklah saya pada masa dahulu..
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Tapi, itukan tabiat lama. Tabiat yang kita selalu buat untuk
>>> >> > > bancuh
>>> >> > > dan basuh team lain Apa kata kali ini kita bersikap
>>> sebagai
>>> >> > > tuan
>>> >> > > rumah yang menerima tetamu baru. Yang masih baru dalam dunia
>>> OSS.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Rakan baru kita ini adalah newbies dengan OSS, masih merangkak
>>> >> > > kita
>>> >> > > kata, tapi mereka ada peneraju yang berjiwa belia mahu cepat
>>> k

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-08 Terurut Topik sallehy

http://www.wirespot.net/2007/12/02/makcik-introduced-by-mimos-in-malaysia/

*MakCik
PC will be priced between RM500-RM1100 and will be available in certain
models with different specs. It does not come with keyboard, and has a
16inch of wide screen.*
** pada 2 Dec 2007*


2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 

> ingat lagi masa kat UPSI? kan mimos ade buat showcase
>
>
> 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
>
>> hahah.ye kot.ak pn xigt.tp kalo xslp,die penah kuar kat majalah pc
>> dlu.kalo xslp mimos yg wat.
>>
>> 2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
>> > 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
>> >>
>> >> lame xdgr makcik pc.rase da jdik nenek kot.huhuhu
>> >
>> > dah ramai dah cucu cicit dia..sebab seingat aku makcik pc keluar masa
>> zaman
>> > P4 HT 2.4Ghz, plus aku tingkatan 2 kalau tak silap
>> >>
>> >> 2011/3/9 Soire Meira :
>> >> > device apa tu?
>> >> >
>> >> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
>> >> > 
>> >> > menulis:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada siapa-siapa
>> >> >> boleh
>> >> >> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang
>> diberikan.
>> >> >>> sila
>> >> >>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil positif
>> setiap
>> >> >>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap rakan2 sudi
>> >> >>> memberi
>> >> >>> tunjuk ajar.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>> >> 
>> >>  thank you for the clarification
>> >> 
>> >>  best wishes on your bold initiative.
>> >> 
>> >>  there will be many challenges, therefore many opportunities to
>> learn.
>> >> 
>> >>  and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay / chinese
>> /
>> >>  tamil localisation - and the many more more languages and
>> dialects,
>> >>  then we
>> >>  would truly have a my1os : 1 os for all malaysians.
>> >> 
>> >>  back in 2004 drb-hicom it released its' own distro using an icon
>> >>  based
>> >>  desktop interface. a unique approach for a computer. but now, we
>> have
>> >>  the
>> >>  ipad, the android tablet, the 'controversial' ubuntu unity  a
>> few
>> >>  years
>> >>  back, mimos also released the makcik pc, which used icons for the
>> >>  desktop
>> >>  interface on a tablet, unfortunately, it did not go to market
>> (maybe
>> >>  too
>> >>  many critical comments). having said that i have been using the
>> >>  ubuntu
>> >>  netbook for more than 1 year now, and i love the icon interface
>> >>  desktop.
>> >> 
>> >>  therefore, these type of evolution is good. the first may not be
>> >>  good,
>> >>  the second may be a disaster, but hopefully the third will be a
>> >>  leader. have
>> >>  lots of patience and pay close attention to your customers.
>> >> 
>> >>  best wishes and good luck.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>  2011/3/9 [dev]Data Code 
>> >> >
>> >> > W,salam w.b.t,
>> >> >
>> >> > Terima kasih tuan Haris dan kepada semua rakan sekelian. Kami
>> >> > berharap
>> >> > kehadiran kami tidak membebankan mana mana pihak dan insyallah
>> kami
>> >> > sedaya upaya untuk memastikan yang terbaik pada semua pihak.
>> Segala
>> >> > tunjuk ajar dan komentar amatlah dihargai dan diucapkan setinggi
>> >> > terima kasih.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mar 9, 2:34 am, Harisfazillah Jamel 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Buat rakan-rakan di FiMOS
>> >> > >
>> >> > > First at all tahniah  Saya tak kesempatan lagi hendak
>> mencuba.
>> >> > > Memang ada hajat hendak format NB di rumah yang semakin slow.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > First of all tulisan saya adalah pandangan peribadi.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > By launching FiMOS, we are opening a Pandora box. Macam-macam
>> akan
>> >> > > timbul. Saya rasa ada antara kita akan rasa tidak puas hati,
>> rasa
>> >> > > tak
>> >> > > betul, rasa mcm nak komen, kurang setuju dan semua negatiflah.
>> >> > > Termasuklah saya pada masa dahulu..
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Tapi, itukan tabiat lama. Tabiat yang kita selalu buat untuk
>> >> > > bancuh
>> >> > > dan basuh team lain Apa kata kali ini kita bersikap sebagai
>> >> > > tuan
>> >> > > rumah yang menerima tetamu baru. Yang masih baru dalam dunia
>> OSS.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Rakan baru kita ini adalah newbies dengan OSS, masih merangkak
>> >> > > kita
>> >> > > kata, tapi mereka ada peneraju yang berjiwa belia mahu cepat ke
>> >> > > depan
>> >> > > :) ... Berlari dah ni.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > So kita ambil sikap terbuka. Sebagi komuniti OSS yang sudah
>> lama,
>> >> > > sudah matang dan punya pandangan luas, we have to e open

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

ingat lagi masa kat UPSI? kan mimos ade buat showcase

2011/3/9 darXness darXness 

> hahah.ye kot.ak pn xigt.tp kalo xslp,die penah kuar kat majalah pc
> dlu.kalo xslp mimos yg wat.
>
> 2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
> > 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
> >>
> >> lame xdgr makcik pc.rase da jdik nenek kot.huhuhu
> >
> > dah ramai dah cucu cicit dia..sebab seingat aku makcik pc keluar masa
> zaman
> > P4 HT 2.4Ghz, plus aku tingkatan 2 kalau tak silap
> >>
> >> 2011/3/9 Soire Meira :
> >> > device apa tu?
> >> >
> >> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
> >> > 
> >> > menulis:
> >> >>
> >> >> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada siapa-siapa
> >> >> boleh
> >> >> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
> >> >>
> >> >> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
> >> >>>
> >> >>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang diberikan.
> >> >>> sila
> >> >>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil positif
> setiap
> >> >>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap rakan2 sudi
> >> >>> memberi
> >> >>> tunjuk ajar.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 
> >> 
> >>  thank you for the clarification
> >> 
> >>  best wishes on your bold initiative.
> >> 
> >>  there will be many challenges, therefore many opportunities to
> learn.
> >> 
> >>  and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay / chinese
> /
> >>  tamil localisation - and the many more more languages and dialects,
> >>  then we
> >>  would truly have a my1os : 1 os for all malaysians.
> >> 
> >>  back in 2004 drb-hicom it released its' own distro using an icon
> >>  based
> >>  desktop interface. a unique approach for a computer. but now, we
> have
> >>  the
> >>  ipad, the android tablet, the 'controversial' ubuntu unity  a
> few
> >>  years
> >>  back, mimos also released the makcik pc, which used icons for the
> >>  desktop
> >>  interface on a tablet, unfortunately, it did not go to market
> (maybe
> >>  too
> >>  many critical comments). having said that i have been using the
> >>  ubuntu
> >>  netbook for more than 1 year now, and i love the icon interface
> >>  desktop.
> >> 
> >>  therefore, these type of evolution is good. the first may not be
> >>  good,
> >>  the second may be a disaster, but hopefully the third will be a
> >>  leader. have
> >>  lots of patience and pay close attention to your customers.
> >> 
> >>  best wishes and good luck.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  2011/3/9 [dev]Data Code 
> >> >
> >> > W,salam w.b.t,
> >> >
> >> > Terima kasih tuan Haris dan kepada semua rakan sekelian. Kami
> >> > berharap
> >> > kehadiran kami tidak membebankan mana mana pihak dan insyallah
> kami
> >> > sedaya upaya untuk memastikan yang terbaik pada semua pihak.
> Segala
> >> > tunjuk ajar dan komentar amatlah dihargai dan diucapkan setinggi
> >> > terima kasih.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mar 9, 2:34 am, Harisfazillah Jamel 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
> >> > >
> >> > > Buat rakan-rakan di FiMOS
> >> > >
> >> > > First at all tahniah  Saya tak kesempatan lagi hendak
> mencuba.
> >> > > Memang ada hajat hendak format NB di rumah yang semakin slow.
> >> > >
> >> > > First of all tulisan saya adalah pandangan peribadi.
> >> > >
> >> > > By launching FiMOS, we are opening a Pandora box. Macam-macam
> akan
> >> > > timbul. Saya rasa ada antara kita akan rasa tidak puas hati,
> rasa
> >> > > tak
> >> > > betul, rasa mcm nak komen, kurang setuju dan semua negatiflah.
> >> > > Termasuklah saya pada masa dahulu..
> >> > >
> >> > > Tapi, itukan tabiat lama. Tabiat yang kita selalu buat untuk
> >> > > bancuh
> >> > > dan basuh team lain Apa kata kali ini kita bersikap sebagai
> >> > > tuan
> >> > > rumah yang menerima tetamu baru. Yang masih baru dalam dunia
> OSS.
> >> > >
> >> > > Rakan baru kita ini adalah newbies dengan OSS, masih merangkak
> >> > > kita
> >> > > kata, tapi mereka ada peneraju yang berjiwa belia mahu cepat ke
> >> > > depan
> >> > > :) ... Berlari dah ni.
> >> > >
> >> > > So kita ambil sikap terbuka. Sebagi komuniti OSS yang sudah
> lama,
> >> > > sudah matang dan punya pandangan luas, we have to e open up.
> Kita
> >> > > perlu bantu mereka dan pandu mereka.
> >> > >
> >> > > Instrak dan FiMOS (My1OS) team telah secara terbuka berjumpa
> >> > > dengan
> >> > > banyak pihak, termasuk saya dan beberapa lagi rakan-rakan
> >> > > komuniti.
> >> > > Mereka telah menerima baik pandangan kita. Malah rakan-rakan OSS
> >> > > dalam
> >> > > agensi-agensi turut memberikan pandangan dalam pelbagai perkara.
> >> > >
> >> > > Tapi kita perlu sedar FiMOS bukan sahaja projek pembangunan. Ia

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

hahah.ye kot.ak pn xigt.tp kalo xslp,die penah kuar kat majalah pc
dlu.kalo xslp mimos yg wat.

2011/3/9 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
> 2011/3/9 darXness darXness 
>>
>> lame xdgr makcik pc.rase da jdik nenek kot.huhuhu
>
> dah ramai dah cucu cicit dia..sebab seingat aku makcik pc keluar masa zaman
> P4 HT 2.4Ghz, plus aku tingkatan 2 kalau tak silap
>>
>> 2011/3/9 Soire Meira :
>> > device apa tu?
>> >
>> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
>> > 
>> > menulis:
>> >>
>> >> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada siapa-siapa
>> >> boleh
>> >> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
>> >>
>> >> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
>> >>>
>> >>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang diberikan.
>> >>> sila
>> >>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil positif setiap
>> >>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap rakan2 sudi
>> >>> memberi
>> >>> tunjuk ajar.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>> 
>>  thank you for the clarification
>> 
>>  best wishes on your bold initiative.
>> 
>>  there will be many challenges, therefore many opportunities to learn.
>> 
>>  and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay / chinese /
>>  tamil localisation - and the many more more languages and dialects,
>>  then we
>>  would truly have a my1os : 1 os for all malaysians.
>> 
>>  back in 2004 drb-hicom it released its' own distro using an icon
>>  based
>>  desktop interface. a unique approach for a computer. but now, we have
>>  the
>>  ipad, the android tablet, the 'controversial' ubuntu unity  a few
>>  years
>>  back, mimos also released the makcik pc, which used icons for the
>>  desktop
>>  interface on a tablet, unfortunately, it did not go to market (maybe
>>  too
>>  many critical comments). having said that i have been using the
>>  ubuntu
>>  netbook for more than 1 year now, and i love the icon interface
>>  desktop.
>> 
>>  therefore, these type of evolution is good. the first may not be
>>  good,
>>  the second may be a disaster, but hopefully the third will be a
>>  leader. have
>>  lots of patience and pay close attention to your customers.
>> 
>>  best wishes and good luck.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  2011/3/9 [dev]Data Code 
>> >
>> > W,salam w.b.t,
>> >
>> > Terima kasih tuan Haris dan kepada semua rakan sekelian. Kami
>> > berharap
>> > kehadiran kami tidak membebankan mana mana pihak dan insyallah kami
>> > sedaya upaya untuk memastikan yang terbaik pada semua pihak. Segala
>> > tunjuk ajar dan komentar amatlah dihargai dan diucapkan setinggi
>> > terima kasih.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mar 9, 2:34 am, Harisfazillah Jamel 
>> > wrote:
>> > > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
>> > >
>> > > Buat rakan-rakan di FiMOS
>> > >
>> > > First at all tahniah  Saya tak kesempatan lagi hendak mencuba.
>> > > Memang ada hajat hendak format NB di rumah yang semakin slow.
>> > >
>> > > First of all tulisan saya adalah pandangan peribadi.
>> > >
>> > > By launching FiMOS, we are opening a Pandora box. Macam-macam akan
>> > > timbul. Saya rasa ada antara kita akan rasa tidak puas hati, rasa
>> > > tak
>> > > betul, rasa mcm nak komen, kurang setuju dan semua negatiflah.
>> > > Termasuklah saya pada masa dahulu..
>> > >
>> > > Tapi, itukan tabiat lama. Tabiat yang kita selalu buat untuk
>> > > bancuh
>> > > dan basuh team lain Apa kata kali ini kita bersikap sebagai
>> > > tuan
>> > > rumah yang menerima tetamu baru. Yang masih baru dalam dunia OSS.
>> > >
>> > > Rakan baru kita ini adalah newbies dengan OSS, masih merangkak
>> > > kita
>> > > kata, tapi mereka ada peneraju yang berjiwa belia mahu cepat ke
>> > > depan
>> > > :) ... Berlari dah ni.
>> > >
>> > > So kita ambil sikap terbuka. Sebagi komuniti OSS yang sudah lama,
>> > > sudah matang dan punya pandangan luas, we have to e open up. Kita
>> > > perlu bantu mereka dan pandu mereka.
>> > >
>> > > Instrak dan FiMOS (My1OS) team telah secara terbuka berjumpa
>> > > dengan
>> > > banyak pihak, termasuk saya dan beberapa lagi rakan-rakan
>> > > komuniti.
>> > > Mereka telah menerima baik pandangan kita. Malah rakan-rakan OSS
>> > > dalam
>> > > agensi-agensi turut memberikan pandangan dalam pelbagai perkara.
>> > >
>> > > Tapi kita perlu sedar FiMOS bukan sahaja projek pembangunan. Ia
>> > > adalah
>> > > satu usaha dan projek melibatkan 20 orang dan pelaburan modal
>> > > bukan
>> > > sahaja untuk pembangunan malah marketing, sale, support, helpdesk
>> > > dan
>> > > pelbagai.
>> > >
>> > > Banyak perkara perlu dibuat dalam satu jangka masa yang pendek.
>> > > Banyak
>> > > perkara perlu baru perlu

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011/3/9 darXness darXness 

> lame xdgr makcik pc.rase da jdik nenek kot.huhuhu
>

dah ramai dah cucu cicit dia..sebab seingat aku makcik pc keluar masa zaman
P4 HT 2.4Ghz, plus aku tingkatan 2 kalau tak silap

>
> 2011/3/9 Soire Meira :
> > device apa tu?
> >
> > Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
> jipangmenje...@gmail.com>
> > menulis:
> >>
> >> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada siapa-siapa
> boleh
> >> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
> >>
> >> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
> >>>
> >>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang diberikan.
> sila
> >>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil positif setiap
> >>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap rakan2 sudi
> memberi
> >>> tunjuk ajar.
> >>>
> >>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 
> 
>  thank you for the clarification
> 
>  best wishes on your bold initiative.
> 
>  there will be many challenges, therefore many opportunities to learn.
> 
>  and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay / chinese /
>  tamil localisation - and the many more more languages and dialects,
> then we
>  would truly have a my1os : 1 os for all malaysians.
> 
>  back in 2004 drb-hicom it released its' own distro using an icon based
>  desktop interface. a unique approach for a computer. but now, we have
> the
>  ipad, the android tablet, the 'controversial' ubuntu unity  a few
> years
>  back, mimos also released the makcik pc, which used icons for the
> desktop
>  interface on a tablet, unfortunately, it did not go to market (maybe
> too
>  many critical comments). having said that i have been using the ubuntu
>  netbook for more than 1 year now, and i love the icon interface
> desktop.
> 
>  therefore, these type of evolution is good. the first may not be good,
>  the second may be a disaster, but hopefully the third will be a
> leader. have
>  lots of patience and pay close attention to your customers.
> 
>  best wishes and good luck.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  2011/3/9 [dev]Data Code 
> >
> > W,salam w.b.t,
> >
> > Terima kasih tuan Haris dan kepada semua rakan sekelian. Kami
> berharap
> > kehadiran kami tidak membebankan mana mana pihak dan insyallah kami
> > sedaya upaya untuk memastikan yang terbaik pada semua pihak. Segala
> > tunjuk ajar dan komentar amatlah dihargai dan diucapkan setinggi
> > terima kasih.
> >
> >
> > On Mar 9, 2:34 am, Harisfazillah Jamel 
> > wrote:
> > > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
> > >
> > > Buat rakan-rakan di FiMOS
> > >
> > > First at all tahniah  Saya tak kesempatan lagi hendak mencuba.
> > > Memang ada hajat hendak format NB di rumah yang semakin slow.
> > >
> > > First of all tulisan saya adalah pandangan peribadi.
> > >
> > > By launching FiMOS, we are opening a Pandora box. Macam-macam akan
> > > timbul. Saya rasa ada antara kita akan rasa tidak puas hati, rasa
> tak
> > > betul, rasa mcm nak komen, kurang setuju dan semua negatiflah.
> > > Termasuklah saya pada masa dahulu..
> > >
> > > Tapi, itukan tabiat lama. Tabiat yang kita selalu buat untuk bancuh
> > > dan basuh team lain Apa kata kali ini kita bersikap sebagai
> tuan
> > > rumah yang menerima tetamu baru. Yang masih baru dalam dunia OSS.
> > >
> > > Rakan baru kita ini adalah newbies dengan OSS, masih merangkak kita
> > > kata, tapi mereka ada peneraju yang berjiwa belia mahu cepat ke
> depan
> > > :) ... Berlari dah ni.
> > >
> > > So kita ambil sikap terbuka. Sebagi komuniti OSS yang sudah lama,
> > > sudah matang dan punya pandangan luas, we have to e open up. Kita
> > > perlu bantu mereka dan pandu mereka.
> > >
> > > Instrak dan FiMOS (My1OS) team telah secara terbuka berjumpa dengan
> > > banyak pihak, termasuk saya dan beberapa lagi rakan-rakan komuniti.
> > > Mereka telah menerima baik pandangan kita. Malah rakan-rakan OSS
> > > dalam
> > > agensi-agensi turut memberikan pandangan dalam pelbagai perkara.
> > >
> > > Tapi kita perlu sedar FiMOS bukan sahaja projek pembangunan. Ia
> > > adalah
> > > satu usaha dan projek melibatkan 20 orang dan pelaburan modal bukan
> > > sahaja untuk pembangunan malah marketing, sale, support, helpdesk
> dan
> > > pelbagai.
> > >
> > > Banyak perkara perlu dibuat dalam satu jangka masa yang pendek.
> > > Banyak
> > > perkara perlu baru perlu dipelajari.
> > >
> > > OSS adalah satu dunia yang berlainan ... Kita perlu bagi masa dan
> > > peluang untuk orang lain yang mahu bersama untuk mencuba, jatuh
> > > bangun
> > > kita bantu dan kita tekad memberikan jalan.
> > >
> > > Saya dah tengok banyak OS daripada kita hilang dalam angin. So
> untuk
> > > kali yang ini, kita cari jalan bagaimana kita bo

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

lame xdgr makcik pc.rase da jdik nenek kot.huhuhu

2011/3/9 Soire Meira :
> device apa tu?
>
> Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
> menulis:
>>
>> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada siapa-siapa boleh
>> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
>>
>> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
>>>
>>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang diberikan. sila
>>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil positif setiap
>>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap rakan2 sudi memberi
>>> tunjuk ajar.
>>>
>>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 

 thank you for the clarification

 best wishes on your bold initiative.

 there will be many challenges, therefore many opportunities to learn.

 and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay / chinese /
 tamil localisation - and the many more more languages and dialects, then we
 would truly have a my1os : 1 os for all malaysians.

 back in 2004 drb-hicom it released its' own distro using an icon based
 desktop interface. a unique approach for a computer. but now, we have the
 ipad, the android tablet, the 'controversial' ubuntu unity  a few years
 back, mimos also released the makcik pc, which used icons for the desktop
 interface on a tablet, unfortunately, it did not go to market (maybe too
 many critical comments). having said that i have been using the ubuntu
 netbook for more than 1 year now, and i love the icon interface desktop.

 therefore, these type of evolution is good. the first may not be good,
 the second may be a disaster, but hopefully the third will be a leader. 
 have
 lots of patience and pay close attention to your customers.

 best wishes and good luck.




 2011/3/9 [dev]Data Code 
>
> W,salam w.b.t,
>
> Terima kasih tuan Haris dan kepada semua rakan sekelian. Kami berharap
> kehadiran kami tidak membebankan mana mana pihak dan insyallah kami
> sedaya upaya untuk memastikan yang terbaik pada semua pihak. Segala
> tunjuk ajar dan komentar amatlah dihargai dan diucapkan setinggi
> terima kasih.
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2:34 am, Harisfazillah Jamel 
> wrote:
> > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
> >
> > Buat rakan-rakan di FiMOS
> >
> > First at all tahniah  Saya tak kesempatan lagi hendak mencuba.
> > Memang ada hajat hendak format NB di rumah yang semakin slow.
> >
> > First of all tulisan saya adalah pandangan peribadi.
> >
> > By launching FiMOS, we are opening a Pandora box. Macam-macam akan
> > timbul. Saya rasa ada antara kita akan rasa tidak puas hati, rasa tak
> > betul, rasa mcm nak komen, kurang setuju dan semua negatiflah.
> > Termasuklah saya pada masa dahulu..
> >
> > Tapi, itukan tabiat lama. Tabiat yang kita selalu buat untuk bancuh
> > dan basuh team lain Apa kata kali ini kita bersikap sebagai tuan
> > rumah yang menerima tetamu baru. Yang masih baru dalam dunia OSS.
> >
> > Rakan baru kita ini adalah newbies dengan OSS, masih merangkak kita
> > kata, tapi mereka ada peneraju yang berjiwa belia mahu cepat ke depan
> > :) ... Berlari dah ni.
> >
> > So kita ambil sikap terbuka. Sebagi komuniti OSS yang sudah lama,
> > sudah matang dan punya pandangan luas, we have to e open up. Kita
> > perlu bantu mereka dan pandu mereka.
> >
> > Instrak dan FiMOS (My1OS) team telah secara terbuka berjumpa dengan
> > banyak pihak, termasuk saya dan beberapa lagi rakan-rakan komuniti.
> > Mereka telah menerima baik pandangan kita. Malah rakan-rakan OSS
> > dalam
> > agensi-agensi turut memberikan pandangan dalam pelbagai perkara.
> >
> > Tapi kita perlu sedar FiMOS bukan sahaja projek pembangunan. Ia
> > adalah
> > satu usaha dan projek melibatkan 20 orang dan pelaburan modal bukan
> > sahaja untuk pembangunan malah marketing, sale, support, helpdesk dan
> > pelbagai.
> >
> > Banyak perkara perlu dibuat dalam satu jangka masa yang pendek.
> > Banyak
> > perkara perlu baru perlu dipelajari.
> >
> > OSS adalah satu dunia yang berlainan ... Kita perlu bagi masa dan
> > peluang untuk orang lain yang mahu bersama untuk mencuba, jatuh
> > bangun
> > kita bantu dan kita tekad memberikan jalan.
> >
> > Saya dah tengok banyak OS daripada kita hilang dalam angin. So untuk
> > kali yang ini, kita cari jalan bagaimana kita boleh membantu dan
> > saling membantu.
> >
> > Rakan-rakan kita dalam FiMOS bersikap terbuka dengan kita, so kita
> > juga perlu bersikap terbuka dengan mereka.
> >
> > Untuk Distros Workshop 26 March ini nanti, kita bincang bersama apa
> > kita sebagai komuniti boleh sumbangkan dan apa yang mereka boleh
> > belajar daripada kita untuk membolehkan mereka bergerak dalam OSS.
> >
> > Tak jauh

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-08 Terurut Topik Soire Meira

device apa tu?

Pada 9 Mac 2011 9:27 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
menulis:

> I still do hope to see MakCik PC with Ubuntu Remix..ada siapa-siapa boleh
> dapatkan device tu tak? :p
>
>
> 2011/3/9 Khalid Mohd 
>
>> terima kasih kepada rakan di osdc.my kerana sokongan yang diberikan. sila
>> beri tunjuk ajar. kami di FiMOS akan sentiasa mengambil positif setiap
>> teguran dan kritikan dalam menambahbaik FiMOS. diharap rakan2 sudi memberi
>> tunjuk ajar.
>>
>> 2011/3/9 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>
>>> thank you for the clarification
>>>
>>>
>>> best wishes on your bold initiative.
>>>
>>> there will be many challenges, therefore many opportunities to learn.
>>>
>>> and plenty of opportunities to collaborate, esp on malay / chinese /
>>> tamil localisation - and the many more more languages and dialects, then we
>>> would truly have a my1os : 1 os for all malaysians.
>>>
>>> back in 2004 drb-hicom it released its' own distro using an icon based
>>> desktop interface. a unique approach for a computer. but now, we have the
>>> ipad, the android tablet, the 'controversial' ubuntu unity  a few years
>>> back, mimos also released the makcik pc, which used icons for the desktop
>>> interface on a tablet, unfortunately, it did not go to market (maybe too
>>> many critical comments). having said that i have been using the ubuntu
>>> netbook for more than 1 year now, and i love the icon interface desktop.
>>>
>>> therefore, these type of evolution is good. the first may not be good,
>>> the second may be a disaster, but hopefully the third will be a leader. have
>>> lots of patience and pay close attention to your customers.
>>>
>>> best wishes and good luck.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/9 [dev]Data Code 
>>>
>>> W,salam w.b.t,

 Terima kasih tuan Haris dan kepada semua rakan sekelian. Kami berharap
 kehadiran kami tidak membebankan mana mana pihak dan insyallah kami
 sedaya upaya untuk memastikan yang terbaik pada semua pihak. Segala
 tunjuk ajar dan komentar amatlah dihargai dan diucapkan setinggi
 terima kasih.


 On Mar 9, 2:34 am, Harisfazillah Jamel 
 wrote:
 > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
 >
 > Buat rakan-rakan di FiMOS
 >
 > First at all tahniah  Saya tak kesempatan lagi hendak mencuba.
 > Memang ada hajat hendak format NB di rumah yang semakin slow.
 >
 > First of all tulisan saya adalah pandangan peribadi.
 >
 > By launching FiMOS, we are opening a Pandora box. Macam-macam akan
 > timbul. Saya rasa ada antara kita akan rasa tidak puas hati, rasa tak
 > betul, rasa mcm nak komen, kurang setuju dan semua negatiflah.
 > Termasuklah saya pada masa dahulu..
 >
 > Tapi, itukan tabiat lama. Tabiat yang kita selalu buat untuk bancuh
 > dan basuh team lain Apa kata kali ini kita bersikap sebagai tuan
 > rumah yang menerima tetamu baru. Yang masih baru dalam dunia OSS.
 >
 > Rakan baru kita ini adalah newbies dengan OSS, masih merangkak kita
 > kata, tapi mereka ada peneraju yang berjiwa belia mahu cepat ke depan
 > :) ... Berlari dah ni.
 >
 > So kita ambil sikap terbuka. Sebagi komuniti OSS yang sudah lama,
 > sudah matang dan punya pandangan luas, we have to e open up. Kita
 > perlu bantu mereka dan pandu mereka.
 >
 > Instrak dan FiMOS (My1OS) team telah secara terbuka berjumpa dengan
 > banyak pihak, termasuk saya dan beberapa lagi rakan-rakan komuniti.
 > Mereka telah menerima baik pandangan kita. Malah rakan-rakan OSS dalam
 > agensi-agensi turut memberikan pandangan dalam pelbagai perkara.
 >
 > Tapi kita perlu sedar FiMOS bukan sahaja projek pembangunan. Ia adalah
 > satu usaha dan projek melibatkan 20 orang dan pelaburan modal bukan
 > sahaja untuk pembangunan malah marketing, sale, support, helpdesk dan
 > pelbagai.
 >
 > Banyak perkara perlu dibuat dalam satu jangka masa yang pendek. Banyak
 > perkara perlu baru perlu dipelajari.
 >
 > OSS adalah satu dunia yang berlainan ... Kita perlu bagi masa dan
 > peluang untuk orang lain yang mahu bersama untuk mencuba, jatuh bangun
 > kita bantu dan kita tekad memberikan jalan.
 >
 > Saya dah tengok banyak OS daripada kita hilang dalam angin. So untuk
 > kali yang ini, kita cari jalan bagaimana kita boleh membantu dan
 > saling membantu.
 >
 > Rakan-rakan kita dalam FiMOS bersikap terbuka dengan kita, so kita
 > juga perlu bersikap terbuka dengan mereka.
 >
 > Untuk Distros Workshop 26 March ini nanti, kita bincang bersama apa
 > kita sebagai komuniti boleh sumbangkan dan apa yang mereka boleh
 > belajar daripada kita untuk membolehkan mereka bergerak dalam OSS.
 >
 > Tak jauh mana pun kita. Masih 1Malaysia :)
 >
 > Wassalam.
 >
 > Harisfazillah Jamel
 >
 > OSDC.my
 >
 > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:40 AM, [dev]Data Code 
 wrote:
 > > Thank you for your interest i

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian