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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 02:19:52PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:
> 2009/5/20 Graydon :
> > It's a standard pattern.
> A standard is a convenient reference. But believe me. There's nothing
> better to have opinions about than how to interpret standards. Or
> indeed patterns.

Ned has one.

Ned has *nothing* to do with anything other than selling the things in
the US.

No one sane gives marketing information before they are compelled to do
so.

Ergo...

> >> Name a date for when it hits the market, then. :-)
> >
> > No idea.
> 
> Then I'd say your proof is short of a pudding. :-)

I don't know when this specific thing is going to be put on the market
so I don't know about long lead time items on the BOM ("Bill of
Materials") for getting electronic devices built?

There's a certain absence of sequitur going on there.

I don't know what the release date is; I do know that unless the release
date is 20 weeks or more from today, Pentax has a)already decided what
the release date is and b)already started production.  IF the release
date is in June, production is mostly done and someone, somewhere, is
swearing and cursing and trying to finalize the firmware.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-20 Thread AlunFoto

2009/5/20 Graydon :
> It's a standard pattern.

A standard is a convenient reference. But believe me. There's nothing
better to have opinions about than how to interpret standards. Or
indeed patterns.

>> Name a date for when it hits the market, then. :-)
>
> No idea.

Then I'd say your proof is short of a pudding. :-)

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:53:21PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:
> 2009/5/20 Graydon :
> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:58:54AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:
> >> As Stenquist said, timing is everything.
> >> IMO the real question is when they launch the hype campaign vs. when
> >> they do the production run. They may decide the production volume by
> >> gauging the success of the hype campaign. Pentax Germany has
> >> advertised for alpha users to receive early copies in exchange for
> >> extensive forum activity. Sounds to me like an activity to create
> >> demand before supply.
> >
> > These days, what they're trying to do is move as much of the actual
> > purchasing as possible as early in the price curve as they can.
> >
> > They've made them; the hype is to find out if they need to make them
> > again, a little, but mostly to find out how much money they're going to
> > make from selling them.
>
> You have strong opinions, Graydon.

This has occasionally been remarked on, but the above is not so much
opinion as a description of standard consumer marketing for electronic
devices.  I might have believed Pentax was immune to such knowledge, but
there's no evidence Hoya is.  (And quite a bit that they're not; the
various coloured camera bodies, for example.)

Some of the components will have inelastic long lead times, up to 16
weeks or more.  (Generally because the component producers are booked
solid.  The recession may be affecting that, but it won't be affecting
that *evenly*.)  Deciding on a shorter lead time than about 20 weeks how
many to build is impractical because of those long lead time items;
stockpiling them on spec is expensive.

So it's highly unlikely that Pentax has done anything different from the
standard consumer electronics pattern; make the smallest bunch that you
will have net profit if you sell them all at median price , which
is the price you think you can get.  Hype as much as you can to push the
median price up as far, and the sold-half time down as far, as you can.

If the sold-half time is 1 week, start production again.

If the sold-half time is 1 month, hold a meeting to distribute the
responsibility for starting production again.

It's a standard pattern.

And if they're deciding *now* how many to make based on intangible
evidences of demand due to internet marketing campaigns, it's not out
until late October at the earliest.  Which is entirely dreary to
contemplate.

> Name a date for when it hits the market, then. :-)

No idea.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-20 Thread AlunFoto

You have strong opinions, Graydon.
Name a date for when it hits the market, then. :-)

Jostein

2009/5/20 Graydon :
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:58:54AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:
>> As Stenquist said, timing is everything.
>> IMO the real question is when they launch the hype campaign vs. when
>> they do the production run. They may decide the production volume by
>> gauging the success of the hype campaign. Pentax Germany has
>> advertised for alpha users to receive early copies in exchange for
>> extensive forum activity. Sounds to me like an activity to create
>> demand before supply.
>
> These days, what they're trying to do is move as much of the actual
> purchasing as possible as early in the price curve as they can.
>
> They've made them; the hype is to find out if they need to make them
> again, a little, but mostly to find out how much money they're going to
> make from selling them.
>
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:58:54AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:
> As Stenquist said, timing is everything.
> IMO the real question is when they launch the hype campaign vs. when
> they do the production run. They may decide the production volume by
> gauging the success of the hype campaign. Pentax Germany has
> advertised for alpha users to receive early copies in exchange for
> extensive forum activity. Sounds to me like an activity to create
> demand before supply.

These days, what they're trying to do is move as much of the actual
purchasing as possible as early in the price curve as they can.

They've made them; the hype is to find out if they need to make them
again, a little, but mostly to find out how much money they're going to
make from selling them.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:56:15PM -0400, JC OConnell scripsit:
> canon did a full frame 50mm f1.0 that was with the FF registration. If
> pentax was to do a 30mm DA lens it would still have the same ole
> 45.5mm FF registration making it a retrofocus.  It would not be easy
> to do as canon's 50mm F1.0 was.

The FA 31, and the DA 35 Ltds. are both retrofocus designs, and both
seem to get good reviews.

So, for that matter, is the 15mm DA Ltd., about which initial
indications are highly positive.

I don't think needing to use retrofocus would be a reason not to do it.

Price, probable market, and optical tradeoffs due to depth of field,
sure, but Pentax doesn't seem to have much trouble with retrofocus.

I will note that if Pentax/Hoya have decided to stick with an APS-C/MF
progression, the APS-C lens line "needs" a weather resistant normal prime
lens, to go with those new WR kit lenses and the DA* lenses.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-20 Thread Anthony Farr

I measured the trigger voltage of my original series Metz 60CT-1 when
I got my first digital camera with a hotshoe.  I have the Mecamat
shoe-mounted sensor so I don't need no stinkin' PC socket }:-)

IIRC it was 9 volts so no problem with sensitive new age cameras.

2009/5/20 William Robb :
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joseph McAllister"
> Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...
>
>
>
>>
>> And don't use old high voltage flash with this camera, or it will go
>> 'poof'.  When's the last time one of those was made?
>>
>
> I never give that any thought. I suppose I should. I've used my K20 with an
> old set of Normans and my old Metz 60 without giving it any consideration.
>
> William Robb
>
>

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

As Stenquist said, timing is everything.
IMO the real question is when they launch the hype campaign vs. when
they do the production run. They may decide the production volume by
gauging the success of the hype campaign. Pentax Germany has
advertised for alpha users to receive early copies in exchange for
extensive forum activity. Sounds to me like an activity to create
demand before supply.

OTOH, I mentioned Thanksgiving as a traditional introduction point,
but realise that June is probably just as good for a camera. With
northern-hemisphere summer vacations coming up, I mean. If that's what
they aim for, they're in a hurry to get it out there. :-)

Jostein

2009/5/20 Joseph McAllister :
> I would think the camera has already gone to production, perhaps as much as
> a month ago. IIRC, the Pentax announcement stated that the camera would be
> available in around mid-June. If that's true, I would images that stores
> worldwide would be getting a limited and pre-ordered stock in the next two
> weeks. It's doubtful they would crank up an assembly line on the 10th of
> June, start shipping product on the 11th, for arrival on the 14th to sell on
> the 15th.
>
> Cases of K7s are most likely on their way to major distributors worldwide
> right now. They will in turn ship orders to the stores that still carry
> Pentax DSLRs. The first cameras to arrive at the stores are the pre-paid,
> pre-ordered bodies and kits, along with one of more for stock and display.
> At that point, the stores can order more for stock or replacement for
> purchases from their distributors, local, national, or regional.
>
> On May 19, 2009, at 20:11 , P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera, even
>> one as close to production as this one.
>
> Joseph McAllister
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Hardware is set in stone, firmware may still be in flux right up to the 
day they start to ship.  I used to work for a company where we joked 
about coding on the loading dock.  The sample cameras floating around 
out there may be release hardware with prerelease firmware. 


Joseph McAllister wrote:
I would think the camera has already gone to production, perhaps as 
much as a month ago. IIRC, the Pentax announcement stated that the 
camera would be available in around mid-June. If that's true, I would 
images that stores worldwide would be getting a limited and 
pre-ordered stock in the next two weeks. It's doubtful they would 
crank up an assembly line on the 10th of June, start shipping product 
on the 11th, for arrival on the 14th to sell on the 15th.


Cases of K7s are most likely on their way to major distributors 
worldwide right now. They will in turn ship orders to the stores that 
still carry Pentax DSLRs. The first cameras to arrive at the stores 
are the pre-paid, pre-ordered bodies and kits, along with one of more 
for stock and display. At that point, the stores can order more for 
stock or replacement for purchases from their distributors, local, 
national, or regional.


On May 19, 2009, at 20:11 , P. J. Alling wrote:

I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera, 
even one as close to production as this one.


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RE: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread JC OConnell

canon did a full frame 50mm f1.0 that was
with the FF registration. If pentax was to
do a 30mm DA lens it would still have the
same ole 45.5mm FF registration making it a retrofocus.
It would not be easy to do as canon's 50mm F1.0 was.
IIRC, canon's 50m F1.4 was like $1500 street
at the time. What would the more complex pentax DA 30mm F1.0
cost today? ? ? ? ?

JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net)
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:11:30PM -0400, P. J. Alling scripsit:
> Graydon wrote:
>> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EO9piAKCkcU/ShBJD8iHMSI/EiY/keeeBh7
>> 8t1Y/s1600-h/3514739481_96a4d48143.jpg
>>
>> Shows, along with the 1/8000 shutter speed, F 1.0
>>
>> Think we're in for a lens announcement, too? :)
>
> I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera, 
> even  one as close to production as this one.

Since the display looks a lot like it was set up to demonstrate the
shutter speed and the number of pictures per battery charge, I would not
be at all surprised if the F 1.0 was completely spurious.

On the other hand, the idea of the DA* 30mm returning from the dead as a
F1.0 lens is wildly amusing.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

I would think the camera has already gone to production, perhaps as  
much as a month ago. IIRC, the Pentax announcement stated that the  
camera would be available in around mid-June. If that's true, I would  
images that stores worldwide would be getting a limited and pre- 
ordered stock in the next two weeks. It's doubtful they would crank up  
an assembly line on the 10th of June, start shipping product on the  
11th, for arrival on the 14th to sell on the 15th.


Cases of K7s are most likely on their way to major distributors  
worldwide right now. They will in turn ship orders to the stores that  
still carry Pentax DSLRs. The first cameras to arrive at the stores  
are the pre-paid, pre-ordered bodies and kits, along with one of more  
for stock and display. At that point, the stores can order more for  
stock or replacement for purchases from their distributors, local,  
national, or regional.


On May 19, 2009, at 20:11 , P. J. Alling wrote:

I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera,  
even one as close to production as this one.


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread Graydon

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:11:30PM -0400, P. J. Alling scripsit:
> Graydon wrote:
>> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EO9piAKCkcU/ShBJD8iHMSI/EiY/keeeBh78t1Y/s1600-h/3514739481_96a4d48143.jpg
>>
>> Shows, along with the 1/8000 shutter speed, F 1.0
>>
>> Think we're in for a lens announcement, too? :)
>
> I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera,
> even  one as close to production as this one.

Since the display looks a lot like it was set up to demonstrate the
shutter speed and the number of pictures per battery charge, I would not
be at all surprised if the F 1.0 was completely spurious.

On the other hand, the idea of the DA* 30mm returning from the dead as a
F1.0 lens is wildly amusing.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread William Robb


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Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...



>
> And don't use old high voltage flash with this camera, or it will go 
> 'poof'.  When's the last time one of those was made?
>

I never give that any thought. I suppose I should. I've used my K20 with an 
old set of Normans and my old Metz 60 without giving it any consideration.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Well it's higher specified because it's a new model. The *istD was  
more expensive than the K20D. Specs have little to do with it. Timing  
is everything.

Paul
On May 19, 2009, at 11:07 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

That's what they're saying, but that seems low for a much higher  
specified body.


paul stenquist wrote:
Well, that's what the K20D is selling for now in the twilight of  
its run. It was introduced at around $1200. So if someone tells me  
that the K7 is twice the price of the K20D, I have to assume that  
its intro price is twice as high. In other words, what you're  
trying to say is that the K7 is priced about the same as the K20D.

Paul
On May 19, 2009, at 4:48 PM, William Robb wrote:



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Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...


Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a  
K20D, so
we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be  
exorbitant  in

my book.


Where are you getting your numbers? The K20D body is listed at  
$660.95 at

B&H.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542060-REG/Pentax_19381_K20D_SLR_Digital_Camera.html

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera, even
one as close to production as this one.

Graydon wrote:

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 06:10:07PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:

2009/5/19 Graydon :

[snip]

I don't recall seeing a K-7 picture with a bottom view. _Two_ 1860 mAh
batteries seems unlikely in a body that size, though of course that
battery spec from RiceHigh could easily be wrong.

My bad. I confused a pic from Yvon Bourques page to be the bottom of a
camera, but it's actually the RH part of the grip:
http://pentaxdslrs.blogspot.com/2009/05/recap-on-k-7-pictures-leaked-from-all.html

Ah, OK, makes sense, what with the two doors and all.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EO9piAKCkcU/ShBJD8iHMSI/EiY/keeeBh78t1Y/s1600-h/3514739481_96a4d48143.jpg

Shows, along with the 1/8000 shutter speed, F 1.0

Think we're in for a lens announcement, too? :)

There's a pic of the camera bottom and the new battery at the link
that Tim posted:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_fang/3544415684/in/set-72157618438434400/

Saw that not too long after my post above. :)

As batteries to charge carefully go, that's getting up there for a
portable device.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

That's what they're saying, but that seems low for a much higher 
specified body.


paul stenquist wrote:
Well, that's what the K20D is selling for now in the twilight of its 
run. It was introduced at around $1200. So if someone tells me that 
the K7 is twice the price of the K20D, I have to assume that its intro 
price is twice as high. In other words, what you're trying to say is 
that the K7 is priced about the same as the K20D.

Paul
On May 19, 2009, at 4:48 PM, William Robb wrote:



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From: "paul stenquist"
Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...



Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so
we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be 
exorbitant  in

my book.


Where are you getting your numbers? The K20D body is listed at 
$660.95 at

B&H.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542060-REG/Pentax_19381_K20D_SLR_Digital_Camera.html 



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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

There's a picture of the battery and the battery cavity somewhere, looks 
like you could put two double A batteries in it.  No way that will power 
the camera.  The battery selector is for the grip only I'm afraid.


Miserere wrote:

Regarding the K-7 battery:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_fang/3543612049/in/set-72157618438434400/

This photo is interesting. The guy had said that the grip could take
AA (and/or the proprietary battery...?) but what about the camera? The
voltage doesnt' add up so I expect the body will not take AAs, but
wouldn't that be something?

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread Graydon

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 06:10:07PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:
> 2009/5/19 Graydon :
[snip]
> > I don't recall seeing a K-7 picture with a bottom view. _Two_ 1860 mAh
> > batteries seems unlikely in a body that size, though of course that
> > battery spec from RiceHigh could easily be wrong.
> 
> My bad. I confused a pic from Yvon Bourques page to be the bottom of a
> camera, but it's actually the RH part of the grip:
> http://pentaxdslrs.blogspot.com/2009/05/recap-on-k-7-pictures-leaked-from-all.html

Ah, OK, makes sense, what with the two doors and all.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EO9piAKCkcU/ShBJD8iHMSI/EiY/keeeBh78t1Y/s1600-h/3514739481_96a4d48143.jpg

Shows, along with the 1/8000 shutter speed, F 1.0

Think we're in for a lens announcement, too? :)

> There's a pic of the camera bottom and the new battery at the link
> that Tim posted:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_fang/3544415684/in/set-72157618438434400/

Saw that not too long after my post above. :)

As batteries to charge carefully go, that's getting up there for a
portable device.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Okay. I stand corrected. But before I buy, I want to make sure that  
the K30D won't top this camera six months from now. But I'll probably  
go for it when the price drops one level.

Paul
On May 19, 2009, at 9:09 PM, David Savage wrote:


The 5DMkII is a bit more than an enthusiasts camera & has HD video. As
with live view, video is going to become a standard feature.

A lot of people poo poo the video in DSLR's but I really wish the D700
had it. So much so that I briefly toyed with the idea of buying a D90.

DS

On 20/05/2009, paul stenquist  wrote:

Launch prices are the only valid comparison. But I think $1500 is too
high. The video capability tells me that this is a camera aimed at
enthusiasts and fun seekers. I suspect it will be closer to $1000.
Paul
On May 19, 2009, at 5:15 PM, John Francis wrote:



Your book is out of date.  I was assumung around $1500 street price
at introduction.  The K20D is selling for under $700 now.


On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 03:52:33PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a  
K20D, so

we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be
exorbitant in
my book.
Paul
On May 19, 2009, at 1:46 PM, John Francis wrote:


On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:

Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If
it's
clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it.
Paul


That probably depends on how well it sells.
Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't
regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya).
I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years.

We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by
anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to
pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer
them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small.
For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D.
I'd want the new features.  But how much would I pay for them?

Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range,
I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far
lower price point.  But, as I've mentioned before, I think that
we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much
more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive
mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life.

[All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't
care]

If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register  
distance),

I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only
working with SDM.  The interesting point is aperture control;
at present that's still done mechanically.  Will we see lenses
with stop-down motors in the lens itself?  And, if so, will the
adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator?
(I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't
think that would happen).


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread David Savage

The 5DMkII is a bit more than an enthusiasts camera & has HD video. As
with live view, video is going to become a standard feature.

A lot of people poo poo the video in DSLR's but I really wish the D700
had it. So much so that I briefly toyed with the idea of buying a D90.

DS

On 20/05/2009, paul stenquist  wrote:
> Launch prices are the only valid comparison. But I think $1500 is too
> high. The video capability tells me that this is a camera aimed at
> enthusiasts and fun seekers. I suspect it will be closer to $1000.
> Paul
> On May 19, 2009, at 5:15 PM, John Francis wrote:
>
>>
>> Your book is out of date.  I was assumung around $1500 street price
>> at introduction.  The K20D is selling for under $700 now.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 03:52:33PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
>>> Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so
>>> we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be
>>> exorbitant in
>>> my book.
>>> Paul
>>> On May 19, 2009, at 1:46 PM, John Francis wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
> Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If
> it's
> clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it.
> Paul

 That probably depends on how well it sells.
 Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't
 regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya).
 I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years.

 We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by
 anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to
 pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer
 them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small.
 For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D.
 I'd want the new features.  But how much would I pay for them?

 Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range,
 I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far
 lower price point.  But, as I've mentioned before, I think that
 we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much
 more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive
 mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life.

 [All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't
 care]

 If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance),
 I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only
 working with SDM.  The interesting point is aperture control;
 at present that's still done mechanically.  Will we see lenses
 with stop-down motors in the lens itself?  And, if so, will the
 adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator?
 (I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't
 think that would happen).

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Launch prices are the only valid comparison. But I think $1500 is too  
high. The video capability tells me that this is a camera aimed at  
enthusiasts and fun seekers. I suspect it will be closer to $1000.

Paul
On May 19, 2009, at 5:15 PM, John Francis wrote:



Your book is out of date.  I was assumung around $1500 street price
at introduction.  The K20D is selling for under $700 now.


On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 03:52:33PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:

Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so
we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be  
exorbitant in

my book.
Paul
On May 19, 2009, at 1:46 PM, John Francis wrote:


On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If  
it's

clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it.
Paul


That probably depends on how well it sells.
Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't
regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya).
I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years.

We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by
anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to
pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer
them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small.
For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D.
I'd want the new features.  But how much would I pay for them?

Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range,
I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far
lower price point.  But, as I've mentioned before, I think that
we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much
more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive
mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life.

[All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't  
care]


If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance),
I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only
working with SDM.  The interesting point is aperture control;
at present that's still done mechanically.  Will we see lenses
with stop-down motors in the lens itself?  And, if so, will the
adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator?
(I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't
think that would happen).

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Well, that's what the K20D is selling for now in the twilight of its  
run. It was introduced at around $1200. So if someone tells me that  
the K7 is twice the price of the K20D, I have to assume that its intro  
price is twice as high. In other words, what you're trying to say is  
that the K7 is priced about the same as the K20D.

Paul
On May 19, 2009, at 4:48 PM, William Robb wrote:



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Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...



Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so
we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be  
exorbitant  in

my book.


Where are you getting your numbers? The K20D body is listed at  
$660.95 at

B&H.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542060-REG/Pentax_19381_K20D_SLR_Digital_Camera.html

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread Miserere

Regarding the K-7 battery:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_fang/3543612049/in/set-72157618438434400/

This photo is interesting. The guy had said that the grip could take
AA (and/or the proprietary battery...?) but what about the camera? The
voltage doesnt' add up so I expect the body will not take AAs, but
wouldn't that be something?

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> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

the SDM motor is very thin, and fits outside of the lens elements,  
attached to the focusing helicoil. It's the same kind of motor (only  
much more precise) that turns the CD in a Walkman or a minidisc player.


This thick -->   ===_^_^_^_^<-- sensors to  
read position.


A 40mm pancake could be made to work with one, especially given the  
size of the optical elements.



On May 19, 2009, at 14:13 , John Francis wrote:


On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 02:31:11PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:

John Francis wrote:


If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance),
I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only
working with SDM.


That'll never happen as long as the pancake Limited lenses are big
money-makers for Pentax: They're too small for motors to fit in the
lens.


If small size is the goal, then there's absolutely no point in using
a K-mount lens on a body with a shorter register - you have to add an
adapter to provide space between the mount and the lens, which rather
defeats the point of a pancake lens.


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Actually, $669.95.  But in the list of included items they do not list  
the X-Sync cover P2.  Bait and switch?



On May 19, 2009, at 13:48 , William Robb wrote:


Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so
we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be  
exorbitant  in

my book.


Where are you getting your numbers? The K20D body is listed at  
$660.95 at

B&H.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542060-REG/Pentax_19381_K20D_SLR_Digital_Camera.html


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The K20D manual states: Pg. 151 - "The contact of the X-sync socket is  
not splash or dust resistant. Attach the provided Sync Socket P2  
socket cap when not in use."


And don't use old high voltage flash with this camera, or it will go  
'poof'.  When's the last time one of those was made?



On May 19, 2009, at 12:56 , paul stenquist wrote:

The K20D synch socket cover is difficult to remove-- hard to grasp.  
I may have lost mine by now. It's tiny. I'll have to look.


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The PC cover:

It does screw off. I use finger nail on each side in the grooves and a  
little counterclockwise pressure will break it loose from the factory  
rather firm tightness. It's about 2 or 3 revolutions to become free.  
Once the grip is broken it unscrews quite easily with one fingernail.


I suppose you could push it back in, but you'd strip the threads doing  
so, and most likely lose it at a later time. Like some I know!  :-)


I suspect it is designed that way to enhance or even provide WR to the  
body.



On May 19, 2009, at 12:06 , Charles Robinson wrote:


On May 19, 2009, at 11:07, Margus Männik wrote:

What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync  
socket cover.

http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg



I still think it doesn't look like something that is easy to just  
grab and pull off - like, the ridges look (and I don't have a K20D  
so I wouldn't know from hands-on experience) like they're designed  
to make sure you are NOT able to get a good grip on the thing.


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread John Francis


Your book is out of date.  I was assumung around $1500 street price
at introduction.  The K20D is selling for under $700 now.


On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 03:52:33PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
> Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so  
> we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant in 
> my book.
> Paul
> On May 19, 2009, at 1:46 PM, John Francis wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
>>> Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's
>>> clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it.
>>> Paul
>>
>> That probably depends on how well it sells.
>> Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't
>> regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya).
>> I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years.
>>
>> We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by
>> anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to
>> pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer
>> them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small.
>> For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D.
>> I'd want the new features.  But how much would I pay for them?
>>
>> Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range,
>> I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far
>> lower price point.  But, as I've mentioned before, I think that
>> we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much
>> more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive
>> mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life.
>>
>> [All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't care]
>>
>> If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance),
>> I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only
>> working with SDM.  The interesting point is aperture control;
>> at present that's still done mechanically.  Will we see lenses
>> with stop-down motors in the lens itself?  And, if so, will the
>> adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator?
>> (I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't
>> think that would happen).
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread John Francis

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 02:31:11PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
> John Francis wrote:
> 
> >If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance),
> >I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only
> >working with SDM.
> 
> That'll never happen as long as the pancake Limited lenses are big
> money-makers for Pentax: They're too small for motors to fit in the
> lens.

If small size is the goal, then there's absolutely no point in using
a K-mount lens on a body with a shorter register - you have to add an
adapter to provide space between the mount and the lens, which rather
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P. J. Alling wrote:


mike Nilson wrote:


AlunFoto wrote:


I got it wrong, Mike.
One huge battery it is.
Jostein



This thing is beginning to tempt me.  Lord have mercy on my bank 
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frank theriault wrote:

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:

  

Planning on selling a kidney?

  

If it were legal... I'd consider it.  Heck, if something goes wrong with my
remaining one - that's what the twin brother is for... spare parts!



Legal schmegal.

eBay, my friend, eBay...

;-)

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2009-05-19 Thread William Robb


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From: "paul stenquist"
Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...


> Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so 
> we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant  in 
> my book.

Where are you getting your numbers? The K20D body is listed at $660.95 at 
B&H.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542060-REG/Pentax_19381_K20D_SLR_Digital_Camera.html

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

The K20D synch socket cover is difficult to remove-- hard to grasp. I  
may have lost mine by now. It's tiny. I'll have to look.

Paul
On May 19, 2009, at 3:33 PM, William Robb wrote:



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From: "Charles Robinson"
Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...


On May 19, 2009, at 11:07, Margus Männik wrote:


What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync
socket cover.
http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg



I still think it doesn't look like something that is easy to just grab
and pull off - like, the ridges look (and I don't have a K20D so I
wouldn't know from hands-on experience) like they're designed to make
sure you are NOT able to get a good grip on the thing.

The fact that it is the same design as something used before doesn't
change how it looks to me - but, again, I'll state that I haven't used
it so its ease of usage may in fact be far different from what I am
inferring from a photo!


It's the sync cover socket, and it is fiddly. I've lost mine twice,  
and have

managed to only find it once.
I don't think there really is a good solution. They've put a PC  
socket onto
the camera, but they also want to maintian some weatherproofing in  
that
area, so a waterproof plug that won't fall out easily is called for.  
It also

can't protrude very much or else it becomes a snag item.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so  
we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant  
in my book.

Paul
On May 19, 2009, at 1:46 PM, John Francis wrote:


On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:

Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's
clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it.
Paul


That probably depends on how well it sells.
Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't
regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya).
I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years.

We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by
anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to
pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer
them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small.
For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D.
I'd want the new features.  But how much would I pay for them?

Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range,
I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far
lower price point.  But, as I've mentioned before, I think that
we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much
more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive
mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life.

[All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't care]

If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance),
I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only
working with SDM.  The interesting point is aperture control;
at present that's still done mechanically.  Will we see lenses
with stop-down motors in the lens itself?  And, if so, will the
adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator?
(I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't
think that would happen).

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread William Robb

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From: "Charles Robinson"
Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On May 19, 2009, at 11:07, Margus Männik wrote:

> What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync 
> socket cover.
> http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg
>

I still think it doesn't look like something that is easy to just grab
and pull off - like, the ridges look (and I don't have a K20D so I
wouldn't know from hands-on experience) like they're designed to make
sure you are NOT able to get a good grip on the thing.

The fact that it is the same design as something used before doesn't
change how it looks to me - but, again, I'll state that I haven't used
it so its ease of usage may in fact be far different from what I am
inferring from a photo!

It's the sync cover socket, and it is fiddly. I've lost mine twice, and have 
managed to only find it once.
I don't think there really is a good solution. They've put a PC socket onto 
the camera, but they also want to maintian some weatherproofing in that 
area, so a waterproof plug that won't fall out easily is called for. It also 
can't protrude very much or else it becomes a snag item.

William Robb 

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread frank theriault

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:

>> Planning on selling a kidney?
>>
>
> If it were legal... I'd consider it.  Heck, if something goes wrong with my
> remaining one - that's what the twin brother is for... spare parts!

Legal schmegal.

eBay, my friend, eBay...

;-)

cheers,
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2009-05-19 Thread Charles Robinson


On May 19, 2009, at 14:16, P. J. Alling wrote:


mike Nilson wrote:

AlunFoto wrote:


I got it wrong, Mike.
One huge battery it is.
Jostein


This thing is beginning to tempt me.  Lord have mercy on my bank  
account.  And hide the knives.




Planning on selling a kidney?



If it were legal... I'd consider it.  Heck, if something goes wrong  
with my remaining one - that's what the twin brother is for... spare  
parts!


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mike Nilson wrote:

AlunFoto wrote:


I got it wrong, Mike.
One huge battery it is.
Jostein


This thing is beginning to tempt me.  Lord have mercy on my bank 
account.  And hide the knives.




Planning on selling a kidney?


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread Charles Robinson


On May 19, 2009, at 11:07, Margus Männik wrote:

What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync  
socket cover.

http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg



I still think it doesn't look like something that is easy to just grab  
and pull off - like, the ridges look (and I don't have a K20D so I  
wouldn't know from hands-on experience) like they're designed to make  
sure you are NOT able to get a good grip on the thing.


The fact that it is the same design as something used before doesn't  
change how it looks to me - but, again, I'll state that I haven't used  
it so its ease of usage may in fact be far different from what I am  
inferring from a photo!


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AlunFoto wrote:


I got it wrong, Mike.
One huge battery it is.
Jostein


This thing is beginning to tempt me.  Lord have mercy on my bank 
account.  And hide the knives.


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread Mark Roberts

John Francis wrote:

>If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance),
>I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only
>working with SDM.

That'll never happen as long as the pancake Limited lenses are big
money-makers for Pentax: They're too small for motors to fit in the
lens.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread Margus Männik


Well, if you push it REALLY hard... :)

BRM


P. J. Alling wrote:

I thought it was just push on, made to look like a screw in...

Margus Männik wrote:
What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync 
socket cover.

http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg

BR, Margus


Charles Robinson wrote:

On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote:


Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so.



Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to 
grab onto to remove!


But..  doesn't really matter.  I'll be able to afford one of these 
in about 3 years.  :-(


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread John Francis

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
> Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's  
> clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it.
> Paul

That probably depends on how well it sells.
Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't
regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya).
I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years.

We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by
anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to
pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer
them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small.
For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D.
I'd want the new features.  But how much would I pay for them?

Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range,
I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far
lower price point.  But, as I've mentioned before, I think that
we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much
more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive
mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life.

[All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't care]

If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance),
I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only
working with SDM.  The interesting point is aperture control;
at present that's still done mechanically.  Will we see lenses
with stop-down motors in the lens itself?  And, if so, will the
adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator?
(I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't
think that would happen).

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

I'm 102 msgs behind at the moment, so this may already have been  
addressed.


What you think is the second battery slot is in fact the storage point  
for the BG-4 contact cover, same as on the K10/K20 base.


On May 19, 2009, at 05:49 , Graydon wrote:


I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots
underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the
rumored feature set is correct.


I don't recall seeing a K-7 picture with a bottom view. _Two_ 1860 mAh
batteries seems unlikely in a body that size, though of course that
battery spec from RiceHigh could easily be wrong.


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I thought it was just push on, made to look like a screw in...

Margus Männik wrote:
What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync 
socket cover.

http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg

BR, Margus


Charles Robinson wrote:

On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote:


Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so.



Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to grab 
onto to remove!


But..  doesn't really matter.  I'll be able to afford one of these in 
about 3 years.  :-(


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mike wilson wrote:
 "P. J. Alling"  wrote: 
  

...if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic...
  
Damn, what did we do with high frame rate cameras before the advent of 
auto focus...



The same as after; close enough is good enough.
  


Geez you guy's you're killing me, can't be a little oblique.  That was 
kind of my point, without actually saying it.
  

John Whittingham wrote:


It's an impressive specification, I hope the AF is better, from experience, if 
the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic. I think I'll wait 
and see how it does in real world testing, especially the improved high ISO 
performance.

Regards,

John

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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
  
  

http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com

Looks interesting indeed... :-)

LF



So - what are the perceived strengths & weaknesses?

Strengths, as I see them:
 o  Metal body shell
 o  4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise)
 o  High-ISO performance  (I've only got a K10D ..)
 o  100% viewfinder (0.92X)
 o  1/8000 top speed
 o  5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG)
 o  More dedicated controls
 o  3" 640x480 rear screen
 o  Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good)
 o  Faster, more accurate AF (ditto)
 o  Battery Grip can accept AAs.

Weakness:
 o  Only 1/180 flash sync?  The Pz-1p managed 1/250.
 o  Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D

Don't care:
 o  Live View
 o  Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?)
 o  Movie mode (only 720p, though)
 o  In-camera image manipulation (including HDR)





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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

I got it wrong, Mike.
One huge battery it is.
Jostein

2009/5/19 mike wilson :
>
>  AlunFoto  wrote:
>> I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots
>> underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the
>> rumored feature set is correct.
>
> Link?  The new battery is _huge_.
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009/5/19 Graydon :
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:58AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:
>> I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots
>> underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the
>> rumored feature set is correct.
>
> I don't recall seeing a K-7 picture with a bottom view. _Two_ 1860 mAh
> batteries seems unlikely in a body that size, though of course that
> battery spec from RiceHigh could easily be wrong.

My bad. I confused a pic from Yvon Bourques page to be the bottom of a
camera, but it's actually the RH part of the grip:
http://pentaxdslrs.blogspot.com/2009/05/recap-on-k-7-pictures-leaked-from-all.html

There's a pic of the camera bottom and the new battery at the link
that Tim posted:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_fang/3544415684/in/set-72157618438434400/


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2009-05-19 Thread Margus Männik

What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync 
socket cover.

http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg

BR, Margus


Charles Robinson wrote:

On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote:


Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so.



Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to grab 
onto to remove!


But..  doesn't really matter.  I'll be able to afford one of these in 
about 3 years.  :-(


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2009-05-19 Thread Thibouille

Of coursen no official word but Pentax suffered from the too narrow
differences between K20D and K200D.
They brought K-m/K2000 which is a nice low-end offering.

The K-7 goes more pro than the K10/K20 were and it is obvious that a
single body will replace K200/K20.

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:30 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's clear
> that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it.

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 "P. J. Alling"  wrote: 
> > ...if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic...
> Damn, what did we do with high frame rate cameras before the advent of 
> auto focus...

The same as after; close enough is good enough.

> 
> 
> John Whittingham wrote:
> > It's an impressive specification, I hope the AF is better, from experience, 
> > if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic. I think 
> > I'll wait and see how it does in real world testing, especially the 
> > improved high ISO performance.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John
> > 
> > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John 
> > Francis [jo...@panix.com]
> > Sent: 18 May 2009 22:36
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> > Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...
> >
> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
> >   
> >> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
> >>
> >> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
> >>
> >> LF
> >> 
> >
> > So - what are the perceived strengths & weaknesses?
> >
> > Strengths, as I see them:
> >  o  Metal body shell
> >  o  4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise)
> >  o  High-ISO performance  (I've only got a K10D ..)
> >  o  100% viewfinder (0.92X)
> >  o  1/8000 top speed
> >  o  5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG)
> >  o  More dedicated controls
> >  o  3" 640x480 rear screen
> >  o  Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good)
> >  o  Faster, more accurate AF (ditto)
> >  o  Battery Grip can accept AAs.
> >
> > Weakness:
> >  o  Only 1/180 flash sync?  The Pz-1p managed 1/250.
> >  o  Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D
> >
> > Don't care:
> >  o  Live View
> >  o  Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?)
> >  o  Movie mode (only 720p, though)
> >  o  In-camera image manipulation (including HDR)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...


 AlunFoto  wrote: 
> I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots
> underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the
> rumored feature set is correct.

Link?  The new battery is _huge_.

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RE: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread JC OConnell

Its called manual focus prefocussing and it works in many cases.
Its better than AF in cases where you can use it because
you get less shutter lag and can shoot even higher frame
rates than AF modes can because you take the required time to AF
completely out of the loop. AF is great and necessary in certain cases,
but
in many cases its not necessary or even a help, its simply a hinderence.

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> ...if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic...
Damn, what did we do with high frame rate cameras before the advent of 
auto focus...


John Whittingham wrote:
> It's an impressive specification, I hope the AF is better, from 
> experience, if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be 
> academic. I think I'll wait and see how it does in real world testing,

> especially the improved high ISO performance.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
> 
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John 
> Francis [jo...@panix.com]
> Sent: 18 May 2009 22:36
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> Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
>   
>> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
>>
>> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
>>
>> LF
>> 
>
> So - what are the perceived strengths & weaknesses?
>
> Strengths, as I see them:
>  o  Metal body shell
>  o  4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise)
>  o  High-ISO performance  (I've only got a K10D ..)
>  o  100% viewfinder (0.92X)
>  o  1/8000 top speed
>  o  5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG)
>  o  More dedicated controls
>  o  3" 640x480 rear screen
>  o  Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good)
>  o  Faster, more accurate AF (ditto)
>  o  Battery Grip can accept AAs.
>
> Weakness:
>  o  Only 1/180 flash sync?  The Pz-1p managed 1/250.
>  o  Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D
>
> Don't care:
>  o  Live View
>  o  Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?)
>  o  Movie mode (only 720p, though)
>  o  In-camera image manipulation (including HDR)
>
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread Cory Papenfuss


So - what are the perceived strengths & weaknesses?

Strengths, as I see them:
o  Metal body shell
o  4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise)
o  High-ISO performance  (I've only got a K10D ..)
o  100% viewfinder (0.92X)
o  1/8000 top speed
o  5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG)
o  More dedicated controls
o  3" 640x480 rear screen
o  Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good)
o  Faster, more accurate AF (ditto)
o  Battery Grip can accept AAs.

Weakness:
o  Only 1/180 flash sync?  The Pz-1p managed 1/250.
o  Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D

Don't care:
o  Live View
o  Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?)
o  Movie mode (only 720p, though)
o  In-camera image manipulation (including HDR)




	I hate to say it, but *YAWN*...  Just about every improvement to 
this camera over the K20D that I can see is due to the 720p HD video 
capability.  Faster sensor readout, larger and higher resolution rear 
screen, faster AF, better (possibly dual?) batteries, etc.  I think still 
cameras and video cameras have requirements different enough to have 
different form factors, so it's a square-peg trying to fit into a round 
hole.


	... that said it'll probalby sell like hotcakes (seeing as how I 
don't really give a sh*t).  To each their own, but to me the best thing 
about this camera is that it will cause the K20D prices (with roughly 
identical IQ and operating qualities for the way I shoot) to drop.


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread Graydon

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:58AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit:
> 2009/5/19 Graydon :
> > -10 C isn't much past brisk weather, but point.
> 
> It is an improvement. The K20D recommended temp. range stops at 0°C /
> 32°F. Still, I have used both K20D and K10D continuously for 7-8 hours
> at -5 to -10°C. My eagle shots from january were obtained under such
> conditions. The only thing that suffers, it seems, is battery
> longevity.

Oh, no question that it's an improvement.  And I'm glad to see evidence
that Pentax is thinking about that.

It's not 'Oh, you don't have to worry about this' cold-proofing, though,
which would have to go down to -40 C at a minimum and involve things
like shutter box de-humidifiers and de-icers, the which I do not expect
to see any time soon. :)

I've had my K20D out in -15C or so, with minimal wind, and it was fine
aside from a rather drastic lens condensation issue if brought inside
various of the tropical pavilions at the Metro Zoo.  Can't say that is
an unreasonable constraint. :)

> I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots
> underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the
> rumored feature set is correct.

I don't recall seeing a K-7 picture with a bottom view. _Two_ 1860 mAh
batteries seems unlikely in a body that size, though of course that
battery spec from RiceHigh could easily be wrong.

So far, the thing that's making me happiest is the cable-release plug
moving to the right hand side of the camera.

-- Graydon

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...if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic...
Damn, what did we do with high frame rate cameras before the advent of 
auto focus...



John Whittingham wrote:

It's an impressive specification, I hope the AF is better, from experience, if 
the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic. I think I'll wait 
and see how it does in real world testing, especially the improved high ISO 
performance.

Regards,

John

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis 
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
  

http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com

Looks interesting indeed... :-)

LF



So - what are the perceived strengths & weaknesses?

Strengths, as I see them:
 o  Metal body shell
 o  4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise)
 o  High-ISO performance  (I've only got a K10D ..)
 o  100% viewfinder (0.92X)
 o  1/8000 top speed
 o  5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG)
 o  More dedicated controls
 o  3" 640x480 rear screen
 o  Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good)
 o  Faster, more accurate AF (ditto)
 o  Battery Grip can accept AAs.

Weakness:
 o  Only 1/180 flash sync?  The Pz-1p managed 1/250.
 o  Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D

Don't care:
 o  Live View
 o  Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?)
 o  Movie mode (only 720p, though)
 o  In-camera image manipulation (including HDR)





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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's  
clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it.

Paul
On May 18, 2009, at 11:47 PM, John Francis wrote:



I doubt if the IQ will be much, if any, better than the K20D.
But, equally, I doubt if a K30D coming later this year will
offer noticeably better IQ than the K-7; doing that would be
guaranteed to piss off people who pay 2x the price of a K30D.

If a K30D shows up I'd expect it to get the new AF & metering,
plus the other in-camera processing stuff, and probably live
view, all in a cheaper package (probably BG-2 compatible).
I'm not sure it would get the new 4-channel sensor or the
higher top shutter speed; there needs to be differentiation
between the expensive model (the K-7) and the midrange,
which is where I expect any K30D to be positioned.

Waiting for a K30D in any expectation of it in some way
surpassing the K-7 doesn't sound like a good plan to me.


On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 07:30:32PM -0700, Jack Davis wrote:


Pretty much my feeling too, Paul.
Seems, at this point, certain "improvements" are to some extent  
theoretical and being left to some future real world testing.
Many desirable features in the planning, but the IQ produced by my  
K20 may not be that seriously challenged by the K7.


Jack

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From: paul stenquist 
Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 4:18 PM
This camera sounds good, although I'm
disappointed with the flash synch speed. But if low light
autofocus and autofocus speed in general are much improved,
it's a major step up. The frame rate is also a big plus. But
I may wait to see what the K30D offers. That camera is
reportedly due later this year. I don't see the K7 as a game
changer over the K20D, so I wonder if it's meant to be the
flagship. In any case, I'll wait a bit, but if it seems that
it won't be surpassed by another release very soon, I'll buy
it and get rid of my K10D.
Paul
On May 18, 2009, at 6:53 PM, John Francis wrote:


On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon

wrote:

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John

Francis scripsit:

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz

Felipe wrote:

http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com

Looks interesting indeed... :-)

LF


So - what are the perceived strengths &

weaknesses?


Strengths, as I see them:
o? Metal body shell


Why is this a strength?

More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more

heat than the

polycarbonate.? It might be a strength if you

expect a 20 year working

life and want something that won't become brittle

when it runs out of

elastomers, but that's not true of a digital

camera.


Stiffness.
I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue

(there's an

outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera

is cold-

weather certified).? But unless they're building

the body out of

carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with

a metal

shell.? The total lack of body flex is one of the

things that

I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon.

And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out

of this.

My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I

expect it

to make it at least to 10.? My old Canon

PowerShot G1 is still

delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its

second owner),

and that's over eight years old.


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...


 Luiz Felipe  wrote: 
> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
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> Looks interesting indeed... :-)

Nice to see that the sensor plane is marked.  I've missed that a lot.

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RE: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread John Whittingham

It's an impressive specification, I hope the AF is better, from experience, if 
the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic. I think I'll wait 
and see how it does in real world testing, especially the improved high ISO 
performance.

Regards,

John

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis 
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Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
>
> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
>
> LF

So - what are the perceived strengths & weaknesses?

Strengths, as I see them:
 o  Metal body shell
 o  4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise)
 o  High-ISO performance  (I've only got a K10D ..)
 o  100% viewfinder (0.92X)
 o  1/8000 top speed
 o  5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG)
 o  More dedicated controls
 o  3" 640x480 rear screen
 o  Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good)
 o  Faster, more accurate AF (ditto)
 o  Battery Grip can accept AAs.

Weakness:
 o  Only 1/180 flash sync?  The Pz-1p managed 1/250.
 o  Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D

Don't care:
 o  Live View
 o  Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?)
 o  Movie mode (only 720p, though)
 o  In-camera image manipulation (including HDR)

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-19 Thread David Savage

On 19/05/2009, AlunFoto  wrote:
> 2009/5/19 Graydon :
>>
>> -10 C isn't much past brisk weather, but point.
>
> It is an improvement. The K20D recommended temp. range stops at 0°C /
> 32°F. Still, I have used both K20D and K10D continuously for 7-8 hours
> at -5 to -10°C. My eagle shots from january were obtained under such
> conditions. The only thing that suffers, it seems, is battery
> longevity.

It never gets that cold here, but it sure gets hot. Shooting at 12am
when it's +30°C is a good test of a sensors abilities.

Hopefully the engineers have laid out the circuits a bit better to
minimise heat build up & the resulting amp glow..

What I like to do at night is a torture test of a cameras abilities,
WRT long exposures, but it has a knock on effect for plain old high
ISO shooting.

Cheers,

Dave

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2009/5/19 Graydon :
>
> -10 C isn't much past brisk weather, but point.

It is an improvement. The K20D recommended temp. range stops at 0°C /
32°F. Still, I have used both K20D and K10D continuously for 7-8 hours
at -5 to -10°C. My eagle shots from january were obtained under such
conditions. The only thing that suffers, it seems, is battery
longevity.

I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots
underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the
rumored feature set is correct.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Flash sync speed is still not confirmed. It may be 1/250.
Noise reportedly is quite better. We'll see.

K-7 is top of the line, do not expect much better from the K200/K20
replacement, it will be lower end.
Maybe better video but forget about fps and fast shutter speeds.

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:18 AM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> This camera sounds good, although I'm disappointed with the flash synch
> speed. But if low light autofocus and autofocus speed in general are much
> improved, it's a major step up. The frame rate is also a big plus. But I may
> wait to see what the K30D offers. That camera is reportedly due later this
> year. I don't see the K7 as a game changer over the K20D, so I wonder if
> it's meant to be the flagship. In any case, I'll wait a bit, but if it seems
> that it won't be surpassed by another release very soon, I'll buy it and get
> rid of my K10D.
> Paul
> On May 18, 2009, at 6:53 PM, John Francis wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit:

 On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
>
> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
>
> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
>
> LF

 So - what are the perceived strengths & weaknesses?

 Strengths, as I see them:
 o  Metal body shell
>>>
>>> Why is this a strength?
>>>
>>> More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the
>>> polycarbonate.  It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working
>>> life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of
>>> elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera.
>>
>> Stiffness.
>> I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue (there's an
>> outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera is cold-
>> weather certified).  But unless they're building the body out of
>> carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with a metal
>> shell.  The total lack of body flex is one of the things that
>> I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon.
>>
>> And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this.
>> My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it
>> to make it at least to 10.  My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still
>> delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner),
>> and that's over eight years old.
>>
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

K-7 is ike MZ-S, body is metal but it is covered with
polycarbonate/rubber so you won't feel the metal touch.


> More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the
> polycarbonate.  It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working
> life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of
> elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera.
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

In this case, indeed there's no point.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:40 PM, John Francis  wrote:

>
> I rarely use the 18-55 I bought with the K10D, especially
> since I now have the DA* 16-50.  I don't expect to buy the
> kit zoom if it would add $100 to the package price.
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...


I doubt if the IQ will be much, if any, better than the K20D.
But, equally, I doubt if a K30D coming later this year will
offer noticeably better IQ than the K-7; doing that would be
guaranteed to piss off people who pay 2x the price of a K30D.

If a K30D shows up I'd expect it to get the new AF & metering,
plus the other in-camera processing stuff, and probably live
view, all in a cheaper package (probably BG-2 compatible).
I'm not sure it would get the new 4-channel sensor or the
higher top shutter speed; there needs to be differentiation
between the expensive model (the K-7) and the midrange,
which is where I expect any K30D to be positioned.

Waiting for a K30D in any expectation of it in some way
surpassing the K-7 doesn't sound like a good plan to me.


On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 07:30:32PM -0700, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> Pretty much my feeling too, Paul.
> Seems, at this point, certain "improvements" are to some extent theoretical 
> and being left to some future real world testing.
> Many desirable features in the planning, but the IQ produced by my K20 may 
> not be that seriously challenged by the K7.
> 
> Jack
> 
> --- On Mon, 5/18/09, paul stenquist  wrote:
> 
> > From: paul stenquist 
> > Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 4:18 PM
> > This camera sounds good, although I'm
> > disappointed with the flash synch speed. But if low light
> > autofocus and autofocus speed in general are much improved,
> > it's a major step up. The frame rate is also a big plus. But
> > I may wait to see what the K30D offers. That camera is
> > reportedly due later this year. I don't see the K7 as a game
> > changer over the K20D, so I wonder if it's meant to be the
> > flagship. In any case, I'll wait a bit, but if it seems that
> > it won't be surpassed by another release very soon, I'll buy
> > it and get rid of my K10D.
> > Paul
> > On May 18, 2009, at 6:53 PM, John Francis wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon
> > wrote:
> > >> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John
> > Francis scripsit:
> > >>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz
> > Felipe wrote:
> > >>>> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> LF
> > >>> 
> > >>> So - what are the perceived strengths &
> > weaknesses?
> > >>> 
> > >>> Strengths, as I see them:
> > >>> o? Metal body shell
> > >> 
> > >> Why is this a strength?
> > >> 
> > >> More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more
> > heat than the
> > >> polycarbonate.? It might be a strength if you
> > expect a 20 year working
> > >> life and want something that won't become brittle
> > when it runs out of
> > >> elastomers, but that's not true of a digital
> > camera.
> > > 
> > > Stiffness.
> > > I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue
> > (there's an
> > > outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera
> > is cold-
> > > weather certified).? But unless they're building
> > the body out of
> > > carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with
> > a metal
> > > shell.? The total lack of body flex is one of the
> > things that
> > > I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon.
> > > 
> > > And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out
> > of this.
> > > My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I
> > expect it
> > > to make it at least to 10.? My old Canon
> > PowerShot G1 is still
> > > delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its
> > second owner),
> > > and that's over eight years old.
> > > 
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-18 Thread Jack Davis


Pretty much my feeling too, Paul.
Seems, at this point, certain "improvements" are to some extent theoretical and 
being left to some future real world testing.
Many desirable features in the planning, but the IQ produced by my K20 may not 
be that seriously challenged by the K7.

Jack

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, paul stenquist  wrote:

> From: paul stenquist 
> Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 4:18 PM
> This camera sounds good, although I'm
> disappointed with the flash synch speed. But if low light
> autofocus and autofocus speed in general are much improved,
> it's a major step up. The frame rate is also a big plus. But
> I may wait to see what the K30D offers. That camera is
> reportedly due later this year. I don't see the K7 as a game
> changer over the K20D, so I wonder if it's meant to be the
> flagship. In any case, I'll wait a bit, but if it seems that
> it won't be surpassed by another release very soon, I'll buy
> it and get rid of my K10D.
> Paul
> On May 18, 2009, at 6:53 PM, John Francis wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon
> wrote:
> >> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John
> Francis scripsit:
> >>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz
> Felipe wrote:
> >>>> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
> >>>> 
> >>>> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
> >>>> 
> >>>> LF
> >>> 
> >>> So - what are the perceived strengths &
> weaknesses?
> >>> 
> >>> Strengths, as I see them:
> >>> o  Metal body shell
> >> 
> >> Why is this a strength?
> >> 
> >> More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more
> heat than the
> >> polycarbonate.  It might be a strength if you
> expect a 20 year working
> >> life and want something that won't become brittle
> when it runs out of
> >> elastomers, but that's not true of a digital
> camera.
> > 
> > Stiffness.
> > I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue
> (there's an
> > outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera
> is cold-
> > weather certified).  But unless they're building
> the body out of
> > carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with
> a metal
> > shell.  The total lack of body flex is one of the
> things that
> > I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon.
> > 
> > And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out
> of this.
> > My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I
> expect it
> > to make it at least to 10.  My old Canon
> PowerShot G1 is still
> > delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its
> second owner),
> > and that's over eight years old.
> > 
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 07:30:06PM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit:
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Graydon  wrote:
[snip]
> > It would be surprising if all the chips involved could make it to 10
> > years; 20 would be well past surprising and into "how on earth?"
> > territory.  Running a microchip will eventually break it, as the
> > electrical current causes atoms to move and this eventually makes a
> > transistor unable to trans.  Relatively low power, and relatively low
> > use (no one has their camera on 24/7, unlike a server) camera chips are
> > going to last relatively well, but there's a certain amount of passive
> > diffusion involved, too.  All that cleverness isn't really stable; it's
> > just that the house of cards takes some years to fall over.
> 
> Design lifetimes on that sort of failure are in the decades. Server
> failures are generally heat or mechanical failures (something
> overheated or spindle/fan failures) and often both.

Or current spikes, yes.

But chip failures, particularly memory and processor failures, do
happen.  Managing materials migration is still something of a black art,
especially as new process nodes are developed and theory meets practise.

> I've got functional systems dating back more than 20 years (Mac II,
> circa 1987) and 2 systems currently up 24x7 that have been running
> since the late 90's (one PowerMac B&W G3, one PC)

There is very likely a certain amount of long-right-tail going on there,
and also a certain amount of 'larger process, less problem'; the Mac II
probably doesn't have any migration issues to speak of, it's not
miniaturized enough.  Current ~40nm processes have much more of a
problem with this sort of thing, there's just less distance involved.

Camera parts won't be on that kind of process, though I'd suspect
they're all down around ~100 nm by now; power is going to be a major
driver for process selection in anything battery powered.

And in a camera, the most vulnerable chip is the sensor. There are 2009
ACM papers presenting improved modelling methods for predicting sensor
node (which if I understand the abstract means "pixel") lifetime, so I
suspect the 'black art' part is still at least somewhat the case.

> 20 years for a camera is easily achievable under light/moderate. 

I won't go for easy; possible, sure, but this is something that gets
carried around and regularly rattled, a wide (or at least potentially
wide) thermal environment, and where the most important chip is
frequently directly exposed to daylight.

> The biggest issues will be batteries on those bodies that take
> proprietary batteries and overall shutter life. Chances are that
> getting replacements may become an issue and battery lifetimes are
> 18-24 months. Of course the Pentax bodies that take AA's lack the
> battery replacement issues.

No arguments whatsoever on the batteries.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-18 Thread Adam Maas

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Graydon  wrote:
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 06:53:26PM -0400, John Francis scripsit:
>
>> And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this.
>> My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it
>> to make it at least to 10.  My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still
>> delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner),
>> and that's over eight years old.
>
> It would be surprising if all the chips involved could make it to 10
> years; 20 would be well past surprising and into "how on earth?"
> territory.  Running a microchip will eventually break it, as the
> electrical current causes atoms to move and this eventually makes a
> transistor unable to trans.  Relatively low power, and relatively low
> use (no one has their camera on 24/7, unlike a server) camera chips are
> going to last relatively well, but there's a certain amount of passive
> diffusion involved, too.  All that cleverness isn't really stable; it's
> just that the house of cards takes some years to fall over.
>
> -- Graydon
>

Graydon,

Design lifetimes on that sort of failure are in the decades. Server
failures are generally heat or mechanical failures (something
overheated or spindle/fan failures) and often both.

I've got functional systems dating back more than 20 years (Mac II,
circa 1987) and 2 systems currently up 24x7 that have been running
since the late 90's (one PowerMac B&W G3, one PC)

20 years for a camera is easily achievable under light/moderate. The
biggest issues will be batteries on those bodies that take proprietary
batteries and overall shutter life. Chances are that getting
replacements may become an issue and battery lifetimes are 18-24
months. Of course the Pentax bodies that take AA's lack the battery
replacement issues.
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-18 Thread paul stenquist

This camera sounds good, although I'm disappointed with the flash  
synch speed. But if low light autofocus and autofocus speed in general  
are much improved, it's a major step up. The frame rate is also a big  
plus. But I may wait to see what the K30D offers. That camera is  
reportedly due later this year. I don't see the K7 as a game changer  
over the K20D, so I wonder if it's meant to be the flagship. In any  
case, I'll wait a bit, but if it seems that it won't be surpassed by  
another release very soon, I'll buy it and get rid of my K10D.

Paul
On May 18, 2009, at 6:53 PM, John Francis wrote:


On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon wrote:

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit:

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:

http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com

Looks interesting indeed... :-)

LF


So - what are the perceived strengths & weaknesses?

Strengths, as I see them:
o  Metal body shell


Why is this a strength?

More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the
polycarbonate.  It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year  
working

life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of
elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera.


Stiffness.
I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue (there's an
outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera is cold-
weather certified).  But unless they're building the body out of
carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with a metal
shell.  The total lack of body flex is one of the things that
I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon.

And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this.
My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it
to make it at least to 10.  My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still
delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner),
and that's over eight years old.


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 06:53:26PM -0400, John Francis scripsit:
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon wrote:
> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit:
[snip]
> > > Strengths, as I see them:
> > >  o  Metal body shell
> > 
> > Why is this a strength?
> > 
> > More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the
> > polycarbonate.  It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working
> > life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of
> > elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera.
> 
> Stiffness.
> I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue (there's an
> outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera is cold-
> weather certified).

-10 C isn't much past brisk weather, but point.

> But unless they're building the body out of carbon fibre it's not
> going to be as stiff as one with a metal shell.  The total lack of
> body flex is one of the things that I noticed when I got to play with
> a high-end CaNikon.

Something I have not done, so I will take your word for it.

I will say I have not noticed any particular tendency in the K20D to
flex.

> And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this.
> My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it
> to make it at least to 10.  My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still
> delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner),
> and that's over eight years old.

It would be surprising if all the chips involved could make it to 10
years; 20 would be well past surprising and into "how on earth?"
territory.  Running a microchip will eventually break it, as the
electrical current causes atoms to move and this eventually makes a
transistor unable to trans.  Relatively low power, and relatively low
use (no one has their camera on 24/7, unlike a server) camera chips are
going to last relatively well, but there's a certain amount of passive
diffusion involved, too.  All that cleverness isn't really stable; it's
just that the house of cards takes some years to fall over.

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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon wrote:
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit:
> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
> > > http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
> > >
> > > Looks interesting indeed... :-)
> > >
> > > LF
> > 
> > So - what are the perceived strengths & weaknesses?
> > 
> > Strengths, as I see them:
> >  o  Metal body shell
> 
> Why is this a strength?
> 
> More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the
> polycarbonate.  It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working
> life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of
> elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera.

Stiffness.
I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue (there's an
outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera is cold-
weather certified).  But unless they're building the body out of
carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with a metal
shell.  The total lack of body flex is one of the things that
I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon.

And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this.
My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it
to make it at least to 10.  My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still
delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner),
and that's over eight years old.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-18 Thread David Savage

I'd have to see some high ISO & long exposure test shots before I'd be
tempted. But I agree, on paper this looks like quite a beast.

That said, I've sunk so many $'s into Nikon it's not that likely. My
next camera will be 20+ MP FF.

DS

2009/5/19 Adam Maas :
> If those specs are accurate, Pentax is in the game, big-time. The
> specs are competitive with just about everything short of a D300 (and
> close enough to a grip-less D300 to be worth a look).
>
> man, if Pentax had only had this when the K20D came out, I'd never
> have gone back to Nikon. In fact it looks like I might be selling some
> Nikon kit since Pentax has, in the K-7, a body with the performance I
> want in a package that's reasonably sized.
>
> -Adam
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Luiz Felipe  
> wrote:
>> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
>>
>> Looks interesting indeed... :-)

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2009-05-18 Thread P. J. Alling


David J Brooks wrote:

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
  

On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote:



http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com

Looks interesting indeed... :-)

  

Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is,
between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button?



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Naa, Kennyboy is much larger and much lumpier...


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PC socket cover.

Charles Robinson wrote:

On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote:


http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com

Looks interesting indeed... :-)



Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is, 
between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button?


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-18 Thread P. J. Alling

Effusive praise from RiceHigh, I never thought I'd see the day Pentax 
did anything right by his lights...
(Now I'm almost as excited as when Pentax introduced the LX, I doubt I 
can justify the price of this beauty though).


Luiz Felipe wrote:

http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com

Looks interesting indeed... :-)

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit:
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
> > http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
> >
> > Looks interesting indeed... :-)
> >
> > LF
> 
> So - what are the perceived strengths & weaknesses?
> 
> Strengths, as I see them:
>  o  Metal body shell

Why is this a strength?

More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the
polycarbonate.  It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working
life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of
elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 04:40:50PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
> Considering the price of the DA 60~250, steep. But don't pass the kit  
> zoom so quickly, it's supposed to be weather-protected too...

I rarely use the 18-55 I bought with the K10D, especially
since I now have the DA* 16-50.  I don't expect to buy the
kit zoom if it would add $100 to the package price.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote:
> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
>
> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
>
> LF

So - what are the perceived strengths & weaknesses?

Strengths, as I see them:
 o  Metal body shell
 o  4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise)
 o  High-ISO performance  (I've only got a K10D ..)
 o  100% viewfinder (0.92X)
 o  1/8000 top speed
 o  5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG)
 o  More dedicated controls
 o  3" 640x480 rear screen
 o  Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good)
 o  Faster, more accurate AF (ditto)
 o  Battery Grip can accept AAs.

Weakness:
 o  Only 1/180 flash sync?  The Pz-1p managed 1/250.
 o  Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D

Don't care:
 o  Live View
 o  Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?)
 o  Movie mode (only 720p, though)
 o  In-camera image manipulation (including HDR)

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

I'd say 1300-1500 euros with kit lens but 1500 is really a max.
Now some considerations:

* Pentax (Hoya) has recently increased prices (lenses and accessories)
in multiple countries but the price hike tends to diminish a couple
weeks later,

* Introduction price is always a bit steep, it will go down, even a
little, quite quickly,

* If previous trends with Pentax bodies continues, it will go down in
price quite much in coming months.

* Without the kit lens, it will be a bit more affordable but IMO I
wouldn't pass the weather sealed kit, just because weather sealed.

* US/EU price difference may play a role.

Food for thoughts. We'll know soon enough.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Daniel, there is some talk about ~1300 euros with the kit zoom, but 
could be just vapor. Considering the price of the 60~250, should be steep.


LF

Daniel J. Matyola escreveu:

Any indication on the retail price?

Dan

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:

On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote:


Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so.


Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to grab onto
to remove!

But..  doesn't really matter.  I'll be able to afford one of these in about
3 years.  :-(

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Considering the price of the DA 60~250, steep. But don't pass the kit 
zoom so quickly, it's supposed to be weather-protected too...


LF (really interested, even if I don't have plans to buy one so soon)

John Francis escreveu:

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:35:59PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:

If those specs are accurate, Pentax is in the game, big-time. The
specs are competitive with just about everything short of a D300 (and
close enough to a grip-less D300 to be worth a look).


Agreed.  If, as you say, this is anywhere near accurate, it looks
as though this is the camera body upgrade I've been waiting for.
I wonder what the price will be (body only, plus grip)?


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:35:59PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
> If those specs are accurate, Pentax is in the game, big-time. The
> specs are competitive with just about everything short of a D300 (and
> close enough to a grip-less D300 to be worth a look).

Agreed.  If, as you say, this is anywhere near accurate, it looks
as though this is the camera body upgrade I've been waiting for.
I wonder what the price will be (body only, plus grip)?


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-18 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Any indication on the retail price?

Dan

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote:
>
>> Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so.
>>
>
> Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to grab onto
> to remove!
>
> But..  doesn't really matter.  I'll be able to afford one of these in about
> 3 years.  :-(
>
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-18 Thread Charles Robinson


On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote:


Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so.



Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to grab  
onto to remove!


But..  doesn't really matter.  I'll be able to afford one of these in  
about 3 years.  :-(


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Adam, I suppose you understand why I was (and still am) excited when I
found out :)
The thing I'm not sure but I think it could : AF with Video.
That would kick 5DII bottom ;)

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Adam Maas  wrote:
> If those specs are accurate, Pentax is in the game, big-time. The
> specs are competitive with just about everything short of a D300 (and
> close enough to a grip-less D300 to be worth a look).
>
> man, if Pentax had only had this when the K20D came out, I'd never
> have gone back to Nikon. In fact it looks like I might be selling some
> Nikon kit since Pentax has, in the K-7, a body with the performance I
> want in a package that's reasonably sized.
>
> -Adam
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 01:30:44PM -0500, Charles Robinson scripsit:
> On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote:
>> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
>> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
>
> Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is,  
> between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button?

I think that's a knurled cover, rather than a knob; it looks a lot like
the K20D X-sync socket cover.

Speaking as someone who has the X-sync port of his K20D covered with
electrical tape, I kinda hope that's a screw-in cover instead of the
K20D friction fit, but mentally adjusting for scale has it coming up as
exactly the same cover.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...


Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so.

LF

Charles Robinson escreveu:

On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote:


http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com

Looks interesting indeed... :-)



Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is, 
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-18 Thread David J Brooks

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote:
>
>> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
>>
>> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
>>
>
> Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is,
> between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button?

Ken Rockwell.

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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-18 Thread Adam Maas

If those specs are accurate, Pentax is in the game, big-time. The
specs are competitive with just about everything short of a D300 (and
close enough to a grip-less D300 to be worth a look).

man, if Pentax had only had this when the K20D came out, I'd never
have gone back to Nikon. In fact it looks like I might be selling some
Nikon kit since Pentax has, in the K-7, a body with the performance I
want in a package that's reasonably sized.

-Adam

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> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
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> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
>
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-18 Thread Bob Sullivan

Button is the same style as the 67ii flash sync socket cover.  Bob S.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote:
>
>> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
>>
>> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
>>
>
> Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is,
> between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button?
>
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Flash sync terminal :)
I do not care but I know a bunch of people do.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote:
>
>> http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com
>>
>> Looks interesting indeed... :-)
>>
>
> Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is,
> between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button?
>
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

2009-05-18 Thread Charles Robinson


On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote:


http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com

Looks interesting indeed... :-)



Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is,  
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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Well this very subject is still on debate.
Some swear it is 1/180 others swear it is 1/250. And all have very
good sources lol.
Reason why I do not throw such info here without making sure as
possible the info is solid.

Either way, half a stop is no big deal IMO but 1/250 would certainly
be very nice.


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

Thibouille, would you think the x-sync speed would be incorrect?? Just a 
feeling??? :-)


I understand the secrecy is pretty much hard on those under NDAs, and 
really feel it's been a great time, waiting - not over yet - and 
searching clues and leaks... and fake pics too. :-)


LF (still smiling)

Thibouille escreveu:

I didn't link to it because everything isn't confirmed yet but vast
majority of this is indeed correct.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Luiz Felipe  wrote:

http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com

Looks interesting indeed... :-)

LF





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