Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...
As Stenquist said, timing is everything. IMO the real question is when they launch the hype campaign vs. when they do the production run. They may decide the production volume by gauging the success of the hype campaign. Pentax Germany has advertised for alpha users to receive early copies in exchange for extensive forum activity. Sounds to me like an activity to create demand before supply. OTOH, I mentioned Thanksgiving as a traditional introduction point, but realise that June is probably just as good for a camera. With northern-hemisphere summer vacations coming up, I mean. If that's what they aim for, they're in a hurry to get it out there. :-) Jostein 2009/5/20 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: I would think the camera has already gone to production, perhaps as much as a month ago. IIRC, the Pentax announcement stated that the camera would be available in around mid-June. If that's true, I would images that stores worldwide would be getting a limited and pre-ordered stock in the next two weeks. It's doubtful they would crank up an assembly line on the 10th of June, start shipping product on the 11th, for arrival on the 14th to sell on the 15th. Cases of K7s are most likely on their way to major distributors worldwide right now. They will in turn ship orders to the stores that still carry Pentax DSLRs. The first cameras to arrive at the stores are the pre-paid, pre-ordered bodies and kits, along with one of more for stock and display. At that point, the stores can order more for stock or replacement for purchases from their distributors, local, national, or regional. On May 19, 2009, at 20:11 , P. J. Alling wrote: I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera, even one as close to production as this one. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I measured the trigger voltage of my original series Metz 60CT-1 when I got my first digital camera with a hotshoe. I have the Mecamat shoe-mounted sensor so I don't need no stinkin' PC socket }:-) IIRC it was 9 volts so no problem with sensitive new age cameras. 2009/5/20 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: Joseph McAllister Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... And don't use old high voltage flash with this camera, or it will go 'poof'. When's the last time one of those was made? I never give that any thought. I suppose I should. I've used my K20 with an old set of Normans and my old Metz 60 without giving it any consideration. William Robb -- Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:56:15PM -0400, JC OConnell scripsit: canon did a full frame 50mm f1.0 that was with the FF registration. If pentax was to do a 30mm DA lens it would still have the same ole 45.5mm FF registration making it a retrofocus. It would not be easy to do as canon's 50mm F1.0 was. The FA 31, and the DA 35 Ltds. are both retrofocus designs, and both seem to get good reviews. So, for that matter, is the 15mm DA Ltd., about which initial indications are highly positive. I don't think needing to use retrofocus would be a reason not to do it. Price, probable market, and optical tradeoffs due to depth of field, sure, but Pentax doesn't seem to have much trouble with retrofocus. I will note that if Pentax/Hoya have decided to stick with an APS-C/MF progression, the APS-C lens line needs a weather resistant normal prime lens, to go with those new WR kit lenses and the DA* lenses. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:58:54AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: As Stenquist said, timing is everything. IMO the real question is when they launch the hype campaign vs. when they do the production run. They may decide the production volume by gauging the success of the hype campaign. Pentax Germany has advertised for alpha users to receive early copies in exchange for extensive forum activity. Sounds to me like an activity to create demand before supply. These days, what they're trying to do is move as much of the actual purchasing as possible as early in the price curve as they can. They've made them; the hype is to find out if they need to make them again, a little, but mostly to find out how much money they're going to make from selling them. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You have strong opinions, Graydon. Name a date for when it hits the market, then. :-) Jostein 2009/5/20 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:58:54AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: As Stenquist said, timing is everything. IMO the real question is when they launch the hype campaign vs. when they do the production run. They may decide the production volume by gauging the success of the hype campaign. Pentax Germany has advertised for alpha users to receive early copies in exchange for extensive forum activity. Sounds to me like an activity to create demand before supply. These days, what they're trying to do is move as much of the actual purchasing as possible as early in the price curve as they can. They've made them; the hype is to find out if they need to make them again, a little, but mostly to find out how much money they're going to make from selling them. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:53:21PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: 2009/5/20 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:58:54AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: As Stenquist said, timing is everything. IMO the real question is when they launch the hype campaign vs. when they do the production run. They may decide the production volume by gauging the success of the hype campaign. Pentax Germany has advertised for alpha users to receive early copies in exchange for extensive forum activity. Sounds to me like an activity to create demand before supply. These days, what they're trying to do is move as much of the actual purchasing as possible as early in the price curve as they can. They've made them; the hype is to find out if they need to make them again, a little, but mostly to find out how much money they're going to make from selling them. You have strong opinions, Graydon. This has occasionally been remarked on, but the above is not so much opinion as a description of standard consumer marketing for electronic devices. I might have believed Pentax was immune to such knowledge, but there's no evidence Hoya is. (And quite a bit that they're not; the various coloured camera bodies, for example.) Some of the components will have inelastic long lead times, up to 16 weeks or more. (Generally because the component producers are booked solid. The recession may be affecting that, but it won't be affecting that *evenly*.) Deciding on a shorter lead time than about 20 weeks how many to build is impractical because of those long lead time items; stockpiling them on spec is expensive. So it's highly unlikely that Pentax has done anything different from the standard consumer electronics pattern; make the smallest bunch that you will have net profit if you sell them all at median price foo, which is the price you think you can get. Hype as much as you can to push the median price up as far, and the sold-half time down as far, as you can. If the sold-half time is 1 week, start production again. If the sold-half time is 1 month, hold a meeting to distribute the responsibility for starting production again. It's a standard pattern. And if they're deciding *now* how many to make based on intangible evidences of demand due to internet marketing campaigns, it's not out until late October at the earliest. Which is entirely dreary to contemplate. Name a date for when it hits the market, then. :-) No idea. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/5/20 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: It's a standard pattern. A standard is a convenient reference. But believe me. There's nothing better to have opinions about than how to interpret standards. Or indeed patterns. Name a date for when it hits the market, then. :-) No idea. Then I'd say your proof is short of a pudding. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 02:19:52PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: 2009/5/20 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: It's a standard pattern. A standard is a convenient reference. But believe me. There's nothing better to have opinions about than how to interpret standards. Or indeed patterns. Ned has one. Ned has *nothing* to do with anything other than selling the things in the US. No one sane gives marketing information before they are compelled to do so. Ergo... Name a date for when it hits the market, then. :-) No idea. Then I'd say your proof is short of a pudding. :-) I don't know when this specific thing is going to be put on the market so I don't know about long lead time items on the BOM (Bill of Materials) for getting electronic devices built? There's a certain absence of sequitur going on there. I don't know what the release date is; I do know that unless the release date is 20 weeks or more from today, Pentax has a)already decided what the release date is and b)already started production. IF the release date is in June, production is mostly done and someone, somewhere, is swearing and cursing and trying to finalize the firmware. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/5/20 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: IF the release date is in June, production is mostly done and someone, somewhere, is swearing and cursing and trying to finalize the firmware. hehehe! I'll take your word for that one, at least. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon wrote: I don't know what the release date is; I do know that unless the release date is 20 weeks or more from today, Pentax has a)already decided what the release date is and b)already started production. That's about right, in my experience. IF the release date is in June, production is mostly done and someone, somewhere, is swearing and cursing and trying to finalize the firmware. That's an LOL :) Very true. Release dates are *targets*, not something carved in stone. The very concept of firmware has really put a wrinkle in the manufacturing process: A manufacturer can have a warehouse full of some product built and yet it still may not be ready to ship! I've heard late June or early July for availability. It will be interesting to see if the camera coming to the mountain next week has pre-production firmware. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 19, 2009, at 17:38, Joseph McAllister wrote: The PC cover: It does screw off. I use finger nail on each side in the grooves and a little counterclockwise pressure will break it loose from the factory rather firm tightness. It's about 2 or 3 revolutions to become free. Once the grip is broken it unscrews quite easily with one fingernail. I suppose you could push it back in, but you'd strip the threads doing so, and most likely lose it at a later time. Like some I know! :-) That makes sense, the way the ridges line up, that it's indeed threaded. But who cares, really? I want one of them K7s regardless of what the plug looks like or works like. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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...as long as he doesn't take the same road, counting on you as spare... LF (anyone willing to buy my mother-in-law's?? both???) Charles Robinson escreveu: On May 19, 2009, at 14:16, P. J. Alling wrote: mike Nilson wrote: AlunFoto wrote: I got it wrong, Mike. One huge battery it is. Jostein This thing is beginning to tempt me. Lord have mercy on my bank account. And hide the knives. Planning on selling a kidney? If it were legal... I'd consider it. Heck, if something goes wrong with my remaining one - that's what the twin brother is for... spare parts! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Charles Robinson wrote: But who cares, really? I want one of them K7s regardless of what the plug looks like or works like. I agree. I'm likely to skip the K20D for the K7, but if I do that I'll wait six months or a year until the K7 price gets more palatable. If I spend that much on the camera, there's no way I'll have the cash any time soon for the longer lenses, like the DA 300 or the DA 60-250 or, if they ever cough up, a DA, SDM 400/5.6 or faster. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/5/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: -10 C isn't much past brisk weather, but point. It is an improvement. The K20D recommended temp. range stops at 0°C / 32°F. Still, I have used both K20D and K10D continuously for 7-8 hours at -5 to -10°C. My eagle shots from january were obtained under such conditions. The only thing that suffers, it seems, is battery longevity. I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the rumored feature set is correct. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/05/2009, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: -10 C isn't much past brisk weather, but point. It is an improvement. The K20D recommended temp. range stops at 0°C / 32°F. Still, I have used both K20D and K10D continuously for 7-8 hours at -5 to -10°C. My eagle shots from january were obtained under such conditions. The only thing that suffers, it seems, is battery longevity. It never gets that cold here, but it sure gets hot. Shooting at 12am when it's +30°C is a good test of a sensors abilities. Hopefully the engineers have laid out the circuits a bit better to minimise heat build up the resulting amp glow.. What I like to do at night is a torture test of a cameras abilities, WRT long exposures, but it has a knock on effect for plain old high ISO shooting. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's an impressive specification, I hope the AF is better, from experience, if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic. I think I'll wait and see how it does in real world testing, especially the improved high ISO performance. Regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis [jo...@panix.com] Sent: 18 May 2009 22:36 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell o 4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise) o High-ISO performance (I've only got a K10D ..) o 100% viewfinder (0.92X) o 1/8000 top speed o 5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG) o More dedicated controls o 3 640x480 rear screen o Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good) o Faster, more accurate AF (ditto) o Battery Grip can accept AAs. Weakness: o Only 1/180 flash sync? The Pz-1p managed 1/250. o Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D Don't care: o Live View o Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?) o Movie mode (only 720p, though) o In-camera image manipulation (including HDR) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) Nice to see that the sensor plane is marked. I've missed that a lot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it. Paul On May 18, 2009, at 11:47 PM, John Francis wrote: I doubt if the IQ will be much, if any, better than the K20D. But, equally, I doubt if a K30D coming later this year will offer noticeably better IQ than the K-7; doing that would be guaranteed to piss off people who pay 2x the price of a K30D. If a K30D shows up I'd expect it to get the new AF metering, plus the other in-camera processing stuff, and probably live view, all in a cheaper package (probably BG-2 compatible). I'm not sure it would get the new 4-channel sensor or the higher top shutter speed; there needs to be differentiation between the expensive model (the K-7) and the midrange, which is where I expect any K30D to be positioned. Waiting for a K30D in any expectation of it in some way surpassing the K-7 doesn't sound like a good plan to me. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 07:30:32PM -0700, Jack Davis wrote: Pretty much my feeling too, Paul. Seems, at this point, certain improvements are to some extent theoretical and being left to some future real world testing. Many desirable features in the planning, but the IQ produced by my K20 may not be that seriously challenged by the K7. Jack --- On Mon, 5/18/09, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 4:18 PM This camera sounds good, although I'm disappointed with the flash synch speed. But if low light autofocus and autofocus speed in general are much improved, it's a major step up. The frame rate is also a big plus. But I may wait to see what the K30D offers. That camera is reportedly due later this year. I don't see the K7 as a game changer over the K20D, so I wonder if it's meant to be the flagship. In any case, I'll wait a bit, but if it seems that it won't be surpassed by another release very soon, I'll buy it and get rid of my K10D. Paul On May 18, 2009, at 6:53 PM, John Francis wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o? Metal body shell Why is this a strength? More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the polycarbonate.? It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera. Stiffness. I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue (there's an outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera is cold- weather certified).? But unless they're building the body out of carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with a metal shell.? The total lack of body flex is one of the things that I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon. And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this. My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it to make it at least to 10.? My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner), and that's over eight years old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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...if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic... Damn, what did we do with high frame rate cameras before the advent of auto focus... John Whittingham wrote: It's an impressive specification, I hope the AF is better, from experience, if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic. I think I'll wait and see how it does in real world testing, especially the improved high ISO performance. Regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis [jo...@panix.com] Sent: 18 May 2009 22:36 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell o 4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise) o High-ISO performance (I've only got a K10D ..) o 100% viewfinder (0.92X) o 1/8000 top speed o 5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG) o More dedicated controls o 3 640x480 rear screen o Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good) o Faster, more accurate AF (ditto) o Battery Grip can accept AAs. Weakness: o Only 1/180 flash sync? The Pz-1p managed 1/250. o Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D Don't care: o Live View o Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?) o Movie mode (only 720p, though) o In-camera image manipulation (including HDR) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:58AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: 2009/5/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: -10 C isn't much past brisk weather, but point. It is an improvement. The K20D recommended temp. range stops at 0°C / 32°F. Still, I have used both K20D and K10D continuously for 7-8 hours at -5 to -10°C. My eagle shots from january were obtained under such conditions. The only thing that suffers, it seems, is battery longevity. Oh, no question that it's an improvement. And I'm glad to see evidence that Pentax is thinking about that. It's not 'Oh, you don't have to worry about this' cold-proofing, though, which would have to go down to -40 C at a minimum and involve things like shutter box de-humidifiers and de-icers, the which I do not expect to see any time soon. :) I've had my K20D out in -15C or so, with minimal wind, and it was fine aside from a rather drastic lens condensation issue if brought inside various of the tropical pavilions at the Metro Zoo. Can't say that is an unreasonable constraint. :) I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the rumored feature set is correct. I don't recall seeing a K-7 picture with a bottom view. _Two_ 1860 mAh batteries seems unlikely in a body that size, though of course that battery spec from RiceHigh could easily be wrong. So far, the thing that's making me happiest is the cable-release plug moving to the right hand side of the camera. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell o 4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise) o High-ISO performance (I've only got a K10D ..) o 100% viewfinder (0.92X) o 1/8000 top speed o 5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG) o More dedicated controls o 3 640x480 rear screen o Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good) o Faster, more accurate AF (ditto) o Battery Grip can accept AAs. Weakness: o Only 1/180 flash sync? The Pz-1p managed 1/250. o Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D Don't care: o Live View o Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?) o Movie mode (only 720p, though) o In-camera image manipulation (including HDR) I hate to say it, but *YAWN*... Just about every improvement to this camera over the K20D that I can see is due to the 720p HD video capability. Faster sensor readout, larger and higher resolution rear screen, faster AF, better (possibly dual?) batteries, etc. I think still cameras and video cameras have requirements different enough to have different form factors, so it's a square-peg trying to fit into a round hole. ... that said it'll probalby sell like hotcakes (seeing as how I don't really give a sh*t). To each their own, but to me the best thing about this camera is that it will cause the K20D prices (with roughly identical IQ and operating qualities for the way I shoot) to drop. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D. Electrical Engineering, PPSEL-IA* * Research Associate, Vibrations and Acoustics Laboratory * * Mechanical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...
Its called manual focus prefocussing and it works in many cases. Its better than AF in cases where you can use it because you get less shutter lag and can shoot even higher frame rates than AF modes can because you take the required time to AF completely out of the loop. AF is great and necessary in certain cases, but in many cases its not necessary or even a help, its simply a hinderence. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:46 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... ...if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic... Damn, what did we do with high frame rate cameras before the advent of auto focus... John Whittingham wrote: It's an impressive specification, I hope the AF is better, from experience, if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic. I think I'll wait and see how it does in real world testing, especially the improved high ISO performance. Regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis [jo...@panix.com] Sent: 18 May 2009 22:36 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell o 4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise) o High-ISO performance (I've only got a K10D ..) o 100% viewfinder (0.92X) o 1/8000 top speed o 5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG) o More dedicated controls o 3 640x480 rear screen o Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good) o Faster, more accurate AF (ditto) o Battery Grip can accept AAs. Weakness: o Only 1/180 flash sync? The Pz-1p managed 1/250. o Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D Don't care: o Live View o Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?) o Movie mode (only 720p, though) o In-camera image manipulation (including HDR) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the rumored feature set is correct. Link? The new battery is _huge_. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P. J. Alling p_all...@hotmail.com wrote: ...if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic... Damn, what did we do with high frame rate cameras before the advent of auto focus... The same as after; close enough is good enough. John Whittingham wrote: It's an impressive specification, I hope the AF is better, from experience, if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic. I think I'll wait and see how it does in real world testing, especially the improved high ISO performance. Regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis [jo...@panix.com] Sent: 18 May 2009 22:36 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell o 4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise) o High-ISO performance (I've only got a K10D ..) o 100% viewfinder (0.92X) o 1/8000 top speed o 5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG) o More dedicated controls o 3 640x480 rear screen o Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good) o Faster, more accurate AF (ditto) o Battery Grip can accept AAs. Weakness: o Only 1/180 flash sync? The Pz-1p managed 1/250. o Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D Don't care: o Live View o Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?) o Movie mode (only 720p, though) o In-camera image manipulation (including HDR) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Of coursen no official word but Pentax suffered from the too narrow differences between K20D and K200D. They brought K-m/K2000 which is a nice low-end offering. The K-7 goes more pro than the K10/K20 were and it is obvious that a single body will replace K200/K20. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:30 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync socket cover. http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg BR, Margus Charles Robinson wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote: Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so. Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to grab onto to remove! But.. doesn't really matter. I'll be able to afford one of these in about 3 years. :-( -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/5/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:58AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the rumored feature set is correct. I don't recall seeing a K-7 picture with a bottom view. _Two_ 1860 mAh batteries seems unlikely in a body that size, though of course that battery spec from RiceHigh could easily be wrong. My bad. I confused a pic from Yvon Bourques page to be the bottom of a camera, but it's actually the RH part of the grip: http://pentaxdslrs.blogspot.com/2009/05/recap-on-k-7-pictures-leaked-from-all.html There's a pic of the camera bottom and the new battery at the link that Tim posted: http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_fang/3544415684/in/set-72157618438434400/ -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I got it wrong, Mike. One huge battery it is. Jostein 2009/5/19 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the rumored feature set is correct. Link? The new battery is _huge_. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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mike wilson wrote: P. J. Alling p_all...@hotmail.com wrote: ...if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic... Damn, what did we do with high frame rate cameras before the advent of auto focus... The same as after; close enough is good enough. Geez you guy's you're killing me, can't be a little oblique. That was kind of my point, without actually saying it. John Whittingham wrote: It's an impressive specification, I hope the AF is better, from experience, if the AF is no better, then 5fps frame rate would be academic. I think I'll wait and see how it does in real world testing, especially the improved high ISO performance. Regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis [jo...@panix.com] Sent: 18 May 2009 22:36 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell o 4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise) o High-ISO performance (I've only got a K10D ..) o 100% viewfinder (0.92X) o 1/8000 top speed o 5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG) o More dedicated controls o 3 640x480 rear screen o Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good) o Faster, more accurate AF (ditto) o Battery Grip can accept AAs. Weakness: o Only 1/180 flash sync? The Pz-1p managed 1/250. o Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D Don't care: o Live View o Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?) o Movie mode (only 720p, though) o In-camera image manipulation (including HDR) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I thought it was just push on, made to look like a screw in... Margus Männik wrote: What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync socket cover. http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg BR, Margus Charles Robinson wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote: Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so. Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to grab onto to remove! But.. doesn't really matter. I'll be able to afford one of these in about 3 years. :-( -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm 102 msgs behind at the moment, so this may already have been addressed. What you think is the second battery slot is in fact the storage point for the BG-4 contact cover, same as on the K10/K20 base. On May 19, 2009, at 05:49 , Graydon wrote: I have noticed that the K-7 pictures reveal _two_ battery slots underneath. Somehow I think this change is very significant, if the rumored feature set is correct. I don't recall seeing a K-7 picture with a bottom view. _Two_ 1860 mAh batteries seems unlikely in a body that size, though of course that battery spec from RiceHigh could easily be wrong. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it. Paul That probably depends on how well it sells. Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya). I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years. We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small. For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D. I'd want the new features. But how much would I pay for them? Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range, I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far lower price point. But, as I've mentioned before, I think that we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life. [All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't care] If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance), I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only working with SDM. The interesting point is aperture control; at present that's still done mechanically. Will we see lenses with stop-down motors in the lens itself? And, if so, will the adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator? (I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't think that would happen). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, if you push it REALLY hard... :) BRM P. J. Alling wrote: I thought it was just push on, made to look like a screw in... Margus Männik wrote: What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync socket cover. http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg BR, Margus Charles Robinson wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote: Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so. Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to grab onto to remove! But.. doesn't really matter. I'll be able to afford one of these in about 3 years. :-( -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Francis wrote: If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance), I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only working with SDM. That'll never happen as long as the pancake Limited lenses are big money-makers for Pentax: They're too small for motors to fit in the lens. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto wrote: I got it wrong, Mike. One huge battery it is. Jostein This thing is beginning to tempt me. Lord have mercy on my bank account. And hide the knives. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 19, 2009, at 11:07, Margus Männik wrote: What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync socket cover. http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg I still think it doesn't look like something that is easy to just grab and pull off - like, the ridges look (and I don't have a K20D so I wouldn't know from hands-on experience) like they're designed to make sure you are NOT able to get a good grip on the thing. The fact that it is the same design as something used before doesn't change how it looks to me - but, again, I'll state that I haven't used it so its ease of usage may in fact be far different from what I am inferring from a photo! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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mike Nilson wrote: AlunFoto wrote: I got it wrong, Mike. One huge battery it is. Jostein This thing is beginning to tempt me. Lord have mercy on my bank account. And hide the knives. Planning on selling a kidney? -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 19, 2009, at 14:16, P. J. Alling wrote: mike Nilson wrote: AlunFoto wrote: I got it wrong, Mike. One huge battery it is. Jostein This thing is beginning to tempt me. Lord have mercy on my bank account. And hide the knives. Planning on selling a kidney? If it were legal... I'd consider it. Heck, if something goes wrong with my remaining one - that's what the twin brother is for... spare parts! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Planning on selling a kidney? If it were legal... I'd consider it. Heck, if something goes wrong with my remaining one - that's what the twin brother is for... spare parts! Legal schmegal. eBay, my friend, eBay... ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Charles Robinson Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... On May 19, 2009, at 11:07, Margus Männik wrote: What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync socket cover. http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg I still think it doesn't look like something that is easy to just grab and pull off - like, the ridges look (and I don't have a K20D so I wouldn't know from hands-on experience) like they're designed to make sure you are NOT able to get a good grip on the thing. The fact that it is the same design as something used before doesn't change how it looks to me - but, again, I'll state that I haven't used it so its ease of usage may in fact be far different from what I am inferring from a photo! It's the sync cover socket, and it is fiddly. I've lost mine twice, and have managed to only find it once. I don't think there really is a good solution. They've put a PC socket onto the camera, but they also want to maintian some weatherproofing in that area, so a waterproof plug that won't fall out easily is called for. It also can't protrude very much or else it becomes a snag item. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The K20D synch socket cover is difficult to remove-- hard to grasp. I may have lost mine by now. It's tiny. I'll have to look. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 3:33 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... On May 19, 2009, at 11:07, Margus Männik wrote: What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync socket cover. http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg I still think it doesn't look like something that is easy to just grab and pull off - like, the ridges look (and I don't have a K20D so I wouldn't know from hands-on experience) like they're designed to make sure you are NOT able to get a good grip on the thing. The fact that it is the same design as something used before doesn't change how it looks to me - but, again, I'll state that I haven't used it so its ease of usage may in fact be far different from what I am inferring from a photo! It's the sync cover socket, and it is fiddly. I've lost mine twice, and have managed to only find it once. I don't think there really is a good solution. They've put a PC socket onto the camera, but they also want to maintian some weatherproofing in that area, so a waterproof plug that won't fall out easily is called for. It also can't protrude very much or else it becomes a snag item. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant in my book. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 1:46 PM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it. Paul That probably depends on how well it sells. Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya). I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years. We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small. For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D. I'd want the new features. But how much would I pay for them? Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range, I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far lower price point. But, as I've mentioned before, I think that we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life. [All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't care] If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance), I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only working with SDM. The interesting point is aperture control; at present that's still done mechanically. Will we see lenses with stop-down motors in the lens itself? And, if so, will the adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator? (I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't think that would happen). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant in my book. Where are you getting your numbers? The K20D body is listed at $660.95 at BH. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542060-REG/Pentax_19381_K20D_SLR_Digital_Camera.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Planning on selling a kidney? If it were legal... I'd consider it. Heck, if something goes wrong with my remaining one - that's what the twin brother is for... spare parts! Legal schmegal. eBay, my friend, eBay... ;-) cheers, frank Not eBay! craigslist. eBay has rules... -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 02:31:11PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: John Francis wrote: If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance), I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only working with SDM. That'll never happen as long as the pancake Limited lenses are big money-makers for Pentax: They're too small for motors to fit in the lens. If small size is the goal, then there's absolutely no point in using a K-mount lens on a body with a shorter register - you have to add an adapter to provide space between the mount and the lens, which rather defeats the point of a pancake lens. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Your book is out of date. I was assumung around $1500 street price at introduction. The K20D is selling for under $700 now. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 03:52:33PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant in my book. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 1:46 PM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it. Paul That probably depends on how well it sells. Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya). I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years. We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small. For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D. I'd want the new features. But how much would I pay for them? Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range, I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far lower price point. But, as I've mentioned before, I think that we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life. [All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't care] If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance), I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only working with SDM. The interesting point is aperture control; at present that's still done mechanically. Will we see lenses with stop-down motors in the lens itself? And, if so, will the adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator? (I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't think that would happen). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The PC cover: It does screw off. I use finger nail on each side in the grooves and a little counterclockwise pressure will break it loose from the factory rather firm tightness. It's about 2 or 3 revolutions to become free. Once the grip is broken it unscrews quite easily with one fingernail. I suppose you could push it back in, but you'd strip the threads doing so, and most likely lose it at a later time. Like some I know! :-) I suspect it is designed that way to enhance or even provide WR to the body. On May 19, 2009, at 12:06 , Charles Robinson wrote: On May 19, 2009, at 11:07, Margus Männik wrote: What's weird? K20D has the same screw-in (water-and dustproof) sync socket cover. http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/cover.jpg I still think it doesn't look like something that is easy to just grab and pull off - like, the ridges look (and I don't have a K20D so I wouldn't know from hands-on experience) like they're designed to make sure you are NOT able to get a good grip on the thing. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The K20D manual states: Pg. 151 - The contact of the X-sync socket is not splash or dust resistant. Attach the provided Sync Socket P2 socket cap when not in use. And don't use old high voltage flash with this camera, or it will go 'poof'. When's the last time one of those was made? On May 19, 2009, at 12:56 , paul stenquist wrote: The K20D synch socket cover is difficult to remove-- hard to grasp. I may have lost mine by now. It's tiny. I'll have to look. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, $669.95. But in the list of included items they do not list the X-Sync cover P2. Bait and switch? On May 19, 2009, at 13:48 , William Robb wrote: Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant in my book. Where are you getting your numbers? The K20D body is listed at $660.95 at BH. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542060-REG/Pentax_19381_K20D_SLR_Digital_Camera.html If it doesn’t excite you, This thing that you see, Why in the world, Would it excite me? —Jay Maisel Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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the SDM motor is very thin, and fits outside of the lens elements, attached to the focusing helicoil. It's the same kind of motor (only much more precise) that turns the CD in a Walkman or a minidisc player. This thick -- ===_^_^_^_^-- sensors to read position. A 40mm pancake could be made to work with one, especially given the size of the optical elements. On May 19, 2009, at 14:13 , John Francis wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 02:31:11PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: John Francis wrote: If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance), I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only working with SDM. That'll never happen as long as the pancake Limited lenses are big money-makers for Pentax: They're too small for motors to fit in the lens. If small size is the goal, then there's absolutely no point in using a K-mount lens on a body with a shorter register - you have to add an adapter to provide space between the mount and the lens, which rather defeats the point of a pancake lens. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Regarding the K-7 battery: http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_fang/3543612049/in/set-72157618438434400/ This photo is interesting. The guy had said that the grip could take AA (and/or the proprietary battery...?) but what about the camera? The voltage doesnt' add up so I expect the body will not take AAs, but wouldn't that be something? --M -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://enticingthelight.wordpress.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 2009/5/18 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://enticingthelight.wordpress.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, that's what the K20D is selling for now in the twilight of its run. It was introduced at around $1200. So if someone tells me that the K7 is twice the price of the K20D, I have to assume that its intro price is twice as high. In other words, what you're trying to say is that the K7 is priced about the same as the K20D. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 4:48 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant in my book. Where are you getting your numbers? The K20D body is listed at $660.95 at BH. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542060-REG/Pentax_19381_K20D_SLR_Digital_Camera.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Launch prices are the only valid comparison. But I think $1500 is too high. The video capability tells me that this is a camera aimed at enthusiasts and fun seekers. I suspect it will be closer to $1000. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 5:15 PM, John Francis wrote: Your book is out of date. I was assumung around $1500 street price at introduction. The K20D is selling for under $700 now. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 03:52:33PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant in my book. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 1:46 PM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it. Paul That probably depends on how well it sells. Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya). I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years. We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small. For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D. I'd want the new features. But how much would I pay for them? Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range, I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far lower price point. But, as I've mentioned before, I think that we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life. [All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't care] If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance), I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only working with SDM. The interesting point is aperture control; at present that's still done mechanically. Will we see lenses with stop-down motors in the lens itself? And, if so, will the adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator? (I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't think that would happen). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The 5DMkII is a bit more than an enthusiasts camera has HD video. As with live view, video is going to become a standard feature. A lot of people poo poo the video in DSLR's but I really wish the D700 had it. So much so that I briefly toyed with the idea of buying a D90. DS On 20/05/2009, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Launch prices are the only valid comparison. But I think $1500 is too high. The video capability tells me that this is a camera aimed at enthusiasts and fun seekers. I suspect it will be closer to $1000. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 5:15 PM, John Francis wrote: Your book is out of date. I was assumung around $1500 street price at introduction. The K20D is selling for under $700 now. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 03:52:33PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant in my book. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 1:46 PM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it. Paul That probably depends on how well it sells. Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya). I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years. We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small. For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D. I'd want the new features. But how much would I pay for them? Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range, I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far lower price point. But, as I've mentioned before, I think that we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life. [All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't care] If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance), I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only working with SDM. The interesting point is aperture control; at present that's still done mechanically. Will we see lenses with stop-down motors in the lens itself? And, if so, will the adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator? (I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't think that would happen). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Okay. I stand corrected. But before I buy, I want to make sure that the K30D won't top this camera six months from now. But I'll probably go for it when the price drops one level. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 9:09 PM, David Savage wrote: The 5DMkII is a bit more than an enthusiasts camera has HD video. As with live view, video is going to become a standard feature. A lot of people poo poo the video in DSLR's but I really wish the D700 had it. So much so that I briefly toyed with the idea of buying a D90. DS On 20/05/2009, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Launch prices are the only valid comparison. But I think $1500 is too high. The video capability tells me that this is a camera aimed at enthusiasts and fun seekers. I suspect it will be closer to $1000. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 5:15 PM, John Francis wrote: Your book is out of date. I was assumung around $1500 street price at introduction. The K20D is selling for under $700 now. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 03:52:33PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant in my book. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 1:46 PM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:30:08AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Will the K-7 be the expensive model, or is simply a new line? If it's clear that this will be the top offering, I'll go for it. Paul That probably depends on how well it sells. Really good sales could permit a follow-on model, but I don't regard this as a priority for Pentax (or, even more, for Hoya). I see this as the top offering for at least the next two years. We've already seen some of the posters here underwhelmed by anything new in this camera, so the number of people willing to pay twice the price of a K20D/K30D for a camera that doesn't offer them all that much in day-to-day use is probably fairly small. For that matter I'm not sure how I'd feel if I already had a K20D. I'd want the new features. But how much would I pay for them? Even if there are plans to make the K-7 the start of a range, I'm sure the next models to come along would be aimed at a far lower price point. But, as I've mentioned before, I think that we're a lot more likely to see Pentax moving to EVF cameras much more akin to the Panasonic G1; DSLRs, with complex and expensive mechanical assemblies, may well be near the end of their life. [All else below is even more speculative: stop now if you don't care] If Pentax do move to a new range (with a smaller register distance), I wouldn't be surprised to see auto focus for K-mount lenses only working with SDM. The interesting point is aperture control; at present that's still done mechanically. Will we see lenses with stop-down motors in the lens itself? And, if so, will the adapter for K-mount lenses have a mechanical aperture actuator? (I suppose it could also offer screwdriver-mode AF, but I don't think that would happen). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 06:10:07PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: 2009/5/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: [snip] I don't recall seeing a K-7 picture with a bottom view. _Two_ 1860 mAh batteries seems unlikely in a body that size, though of course that battery spec from RiceHigh could easily be wrong. My bad. I confused a pic from Yvon Bourques page to be the bottom of a camera, but it's actually the RH part of the grip: http://pentaxdslrs.blogspot.com/2009/05/recap-on-k-7-pictures-leaked-from-all.html Ah, OK, makes sense, what with the two doors and all. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EO9piAKCkcU/ShBJD8iHMSI/EiY/keeeBh78t1Y/s1600-h/3514739481_96a4d48143.jpg Shows, along with the 1/8000 shutter speed, F 1.0 Think we're in for a lens announcement, too? :) There's a pic of the camera bottom and the new battery at the link that Tim posted: http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_fang/3544415684/in/set-72157618438434400/ Saw that not too long after my post above. :) As batteries to charge carefully go, that's getting up there for a portable device. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There's a picture of the battery and the battery cavity somewhere, looks like you could put two double A batteries in it. No way that will power the camera. The battery selector is for the grip only I'm afraid. Miserere wrote: Regarding the K-7 battery: http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_fang/3543612049/in/set-72157618438434400/ This photo is interesting. The guy had said that the grip could take AA (and/or the proprietary battery...?) but what about the camera? The voltage doesnt' add up so I expect the body will not take AAs, but wouldn't that be something? --M -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's what they're saying, but that seems low for a much higher specified body. paul stenquist wrote: Well, that's what the K20D is selling for now in the twilight of its run. It was introduced at around $1200. So if someone tells me that the K7 is twice the price of the K20D, I have to assume that its intro price is twice as high. In other words, what you're trying to say is that the K7 is priced about the same as the K20D. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 4:48 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant in my book. Where are you getting your numbers? The K20D body is listed at $660.95 at BH. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542060-REG/Pentax_19381_K20D_SLR_Digital_Camera.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera, even one as close to production as this one. Graydon wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 06:10:07PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: 2009/5/19 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: [snip] I don't recall seeing a K-7 picture with a bottom view. _Two_ 1860 mAh batteries seems unlikely in a body that size, though of course that battery spec from RiceHigh could easily be wrong. My bad. I confused a pic from Yvon Bourques page to be the bottom of a camera, but it's actually the RH part of the grip: http://pentaxdslrs.blogspot.com/2009/05/recap-on-k-7-pictures-leaked-from-all.html Ah, OK, makes sense, what with the two doors and all. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EO9piAKCkcU/ShBJD8iHMSI/EiY/keeeBh78t1Y/s1600-h/3514739481_96a4d48143.jpg Shows, along with the 1/8000 shutter speed, F 1.0 Think we're in for a lens announcement, too? :) There's a pic of the camera bottom and the new battery at the link that Tim posted: http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_fang/3544415684/in/set-72157618438434400/ Saw that not too long after my post above. :) As batteries to charge carefully go, that's getting up there for a portable device. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well it's higher specified because it's a new model. The *istD was more expensive than the K20D. Specs have little to do with it. Timing is everything. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 11:07 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: That's what they're saying, but that seems low for a much higher specified body. paul stenquist wrote: Well, that's what the K20D is selling for now in the twilight of its run. It was introduced at around $1200. So if someone tells me that the K7 is twice the price of the K20D, I have to assume that its intro price is twice as high. In other words, what you're trying to say is that the K7 is priced about the same as the K20D. Paul On May 19, 2009, at 4:48 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... Has a price figure been quoted? You say twice the price of a K20D, so we're looking at $2400 for an APS-C camera? That would be exorbitant in my book. Where are you getting your numbers? The K20D body is listed at $660.95 at BH. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542060-REG/Pentax_19381_K20D_SLR_Digital_Camera.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Joseph McAllister Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... And don't use old high voltage flash with this camera, or it will go 'poof'. When's the last time one of those was made? I never give that any thought. I suppose I should. I've used my K20 with an old set of Normans and my old Metz 60 without giving it any consideration. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:11:30PM -0400, P. J. Alling scripsit: Graydon wrote: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EO9piAKCkcU/ShBJD8iHMSI/EiY/keeeBh78t1Y/s1600-h/3514739481_96a4d48143.jpg Shows, along with the 1/8000 shutter speed, F 1.0 Think we're in for a lens announcement, too? :) I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera, even one as close to production as this one. Since the display looks a lot like it was set up to demonstrate the shutter speed and the number of pictures per battery charge, I would not be at all surprised if the F 1.0 was completely spurious. On the other hand, the idea of the DA* 30mm returning from the dead as a F1.0 lens is wildly amusing. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would think the camera has already gone to production, perhaps as much as a month ago. IIRC, the Pentax announcement stated that the camera would be available in around mid-June. If that's true, I would images that stores worldwide would be getting a limited and pre- ordered stock in the next two weeks. It's doubtful they would crank up an assembly line on the 10th of June, start shipping product on the 11th, for arrival on the 14th to sell on the 15th. Cases of K7s are most likely on their way to major distributors worldwide right now. They will in turn ship orders to the stores that still carry Pentax DSLRs. The first cameras to arrive at the stores are the pre-paid, pre-ordered bodies and kits, along with one of more for stock and display. At that point, the stores can order more for stock or replacement for purchases from their distributors, local, national, or regional. On May 19, 2009, at 20:11 , P. J. Alling wrote: I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera, even one as close to production as this one. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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canon did a full frame 50mm f1.0 that was with the FF registration. If pentax was to do a 30mm DA lens it would still have the same ole 45.5mm FF registration making it a retrofocus. It would not be easy to do as canon's 50mm F1.0 was. IIRC, canon's 50m F1.4 was like $1500 street at the time. What would the more complex pentax DA 30mm F1.0 cost today? ? ? ? ? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Graydon Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:38 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:11:30PM -0400, P. J. Alling scripsit: Graydon wrote: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EO9piAKCkcU/ShBJD8iHMSI/EiY/keeeBh7 8t1Y/s1600-h/3514739481_96a4d48143.jpg Shows, along with the 1/8000 shutter speed, F 1.0 Think we're in for a lens announcement, too? :) I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera, even one as close to production as this one. Since the display looks a lot like it was set up to demonstrate the shutter speed and the number of pictures per battery charge, I would not be at all surprised if the F 1.0 was completely spurious. On the other hand, the idea of the DA* 30mm returning from the dead as a F1.0 lens is wildly amusing. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hardware is set in stone, firmware may still be in flux right up to the day they start to ship. I used to work for a company where we joked about coding on the loading dock. The sample cameras floating around out there may be release hardware with prerelease firmware. Joseph McAllister wrote: I would think the camera has already gone to production, perhaps as much as a month ago. IIRC, the Pentax announcement stated that the camera would be available in around mid-June. If that's true, I would images that stores worldwide would be getting a limited and pre-ordered stock in the next two weeks. It's doubtful they would crank up an assembly line on the 10th of June, start shipping product on the 11th, for arrival on the 14th to sell on the 15th. Cases of K7s are most likely on their way to major distributors worldwide right now. They will in turn ship orders to the stores that still carry Pentax DSLRs. The first cameras to arrive at the stores are the pre-paid, pre-ordered bodies and kits, along with one of more for stock and display. At that point, the stores can order more for stock or replacement for purchases from their distributors, local, national, or regional. On May 19, 2009, at 20:11 , P. J. Alling wrote: I'm not sure that the display is meaningful in a prerelease camera, even one as close to production as this one. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I didn't link to it because everything isn't confirmed yet but vast majority of this is indeed correct. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thibouille, would you think the x-sync speed would be incorrect?? Just a feeling??? :-) I understand the secrecy is pretty much hard on those under NDAs, and really feel it's been a great time, waiting - not over yet - and searching clues and leaks... and fake pics too. :-) LF (still smiling) Thibouille escreveu: I didn't link to it because everything isn't confirmed yet but vast majority of this is indeed correct. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well this very subject is still on debate. Some swear it is 1/180 others swear it is 1/250. And all have very good sources lol. Reason why I do not throw such info here without making sure as possible the info is solid. Either way, half a stop is no big deal IMO but 1/250 would certainly be very nice. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is, between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Flash sync terminal :) I do not care but I know a bunch of people do. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is, between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Button is the same style as the 67ii flash sync socket cover. Bob S. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is, between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If those specs are accurate, Pentax is in the game, big-time. The specs are competitive with just about everything short of a D300 (and close enough to a grip-less D300 to be worth a look). man, if Pentax had only had this when the K20D came out, I'd never have gone back to Nikon. In fact it looks like I might be selling some Nikon kit since Pentax has, in the K-7, a body with the performance I want in a package that's reasonably sized. -Adam On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is, between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button? Ken Rockwell. Dave -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so. LF Charles Robinson escreveu: On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is, between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 01:30:44PM -0500, Charles Robinson scripsit: On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is, between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button? I think that's a knurled cover, rather than a knob; it looks a lot like the K20D X-sync socket cover. Speaking as someone who has the X-sync port of his K20D covered with electrical tape, I kinda hope that's a screw-in cover instead of the K20D friction fit, but mentally adjusting for scale has it coming up as exactly the same cover. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Adam, I suppose you understand why I was (and still am) excited when I found out :) The thing I'm not sure but I think it could : AF with Video. That would kick 5DII bottom ;) On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: If those specs are accurate, Pentax is in the game, big-time. The specs are competitive with just about everything short of a D300 (and close enough to a grip-less D300 to be worth a look). man, if Pentax had only had this when the K20D came out, I'd never have gone back to Nikon. In fact it looks like I might be selling some Nikon kit since Pentax has, in the K-7, a body with the performance I want in a package that's reasonably sized. -Adam -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote: Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so. Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to grab onto to remove! But.. doesn't really matter. I'll be able to afford one of these in about 3 years. :-( -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Any indication on the retail price? Dan On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote: Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so. Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to grab onto to remove! But.. doesn't really matter. I'll be able to afford one of these in about 3 years. :-( -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:35:59PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: If those specs are accurate, Pentax is in the game, big-time. The specs are competitive with just about everything short of a D300 (and close enough to a grip-less D300 to be worth a look). Agreed. If, as you say, this is anywhere near accurate, it looks as though this is the camera body upgrade I've been waiting for. I wonder what the price will be (body only, plus grip)? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Considering the price of the DA 60~250, steep. But don't pass the kit zoom so quickly, it's supposed to be weather-protected too... LF (really interested, even if I don't have plans to buy one so soon) John Francis escreveu: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:35:59PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: If those specs are accurate, Pentax is in the game, big-time. The specs are competitive with just about everything short of a D300 (and close enough to a grip-less D300 to be worth a look). Agreed. If, as you say, this is anywhere near accurate, it looks as though this is the camera body upgrade I've been waiting for. I wonder what the price will be (body only, plus grip)? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Daniel, there is some talk about ~1300 euros with the kit zoom, but could be just vapor. Considering the price of the 60~250, should be steep. LF Daniel J. Matyola escreveu: Any indication on the retail price? Dan On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 13:39, Luiz Felipe wrote: Folks say that's the x-sync cover. Can't vouch, but looks so. Weird style.. looks like they make it intentionally difficult to grab onto to remove! But.. doesn't really matter. I'll be able to afford one of these in about 3 years. :-( -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd say 1300-1500 euros with kit lens but 1500 is really a max. Now some considerations: * Pentax (Hoya) has recently increased prices (lenses and accessories) in multiple countries but the price hike tends to diminish a couple weeks later, * Introduction price is always a bit steep, it will go down, even a little, quite quickly, * If previous trends with Pentax bodies continues, it will go down in price quite much in coming months. * Without the kit lens, it will be a bit more affordable but IMO I wouldn't pass the weather sealed kit, just because weather sealed. * US/EU price difference may play a role. Food for thoughts. We'll know soon enough. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell o 4-channel sensor readout (faster; lower noise) o High-ISO performance (I've only got a K10D ..) o 100% viewfinder (0.92X) o 1/8000 top speed o 5+ fps, 14-frame buffer (40 frame for JPEG) o More dedicated controls o 3 640x480 rear screen o Multi-Pattern metering (assuming the firmware is good) o Faster, more accurate AF (ditto) o Battery Grip can accept AAs. Weakness: o Only 1/180 flash sync? The Pz-1p managed 1/250. o Doesn't (apparently) share batteries with the K10D Don't care: o Live View o Low-temperature operation (how do the batteries do?) o Movie mode (only 720p, though) o In-camera image manipulation (including HDR) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 04:40:50PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: Considering the price of the DA 60~250, steep. But don't pass the kit zoom so quickly, it's supposed to be weather-protected too... I rarely use the 18-55 I bought with the K10D, especially since I now have the DA* 16-50. I don't expect to buy the kit zoom if it would add $100 to the package price. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell Why is this a strength? More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the polycarbonate. It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Effusive praise from RiceHigh, I never thought I'd see the day Pentax did anything right by his lights... (Now I'm almost as excited as when Pentax introduced the LX, I doubt I can justify the price of this beauty though). Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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PC socket cover. Charles Robinson wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is, between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David J Brooks wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 12:22, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) Does anyone (who is allowed to speak about it) know what that knob is, between the pop-up flash button and the RAW button? Ken Rockwell. Naa, Kennyboy is much larger and much lumpier... Dave -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd have to see some high ISO long exposure test shots before I'd be tempted. But I agree, on paper this looks like quite a beast. That said, I've sunk so many $'s into Nikon it's not that likely. My next camera will be 20+ MP FF. DS 2009/5/19 Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca: If those specs are accurate, Pentax is in the game, big-time. The specs are competitive with just about everything short of a D300 (and close enough to a grip-less D300 to be worth a look). man, if Pentax had only had this when the K20D came out, I'd never have gone back to Nikon. In fact it looks like I might be selling some Nikon kit since Pentax has, in the K-7, a body with the performance I want in a package that's reasonably sized. -Adam On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell Why is this a strength? More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the polycarbonate. It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera. Stiffness. I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue (there's an outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera is cold- weather certified). But unless they're building the body out of carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with a metal shell. The total lack of body flex is one of the things that I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon. And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this. My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it to make it at least to 10. My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner), and that's over eight years old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 06:53:26PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: [snip] Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell Why is this a strength? More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the polycarbonate. It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera. Stiffness. I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue (there's an outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera is cold- weather certified). -10 C isn't much past brisk weather, but point. But unless they're building the body out of carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with a metal shell. The total lack of body flex is one of the things that I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon. Something I have not done, so I will take your word for it. I will say I have not noticed any particular tendency in the K20D to flex. And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this. My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it to make it at least to 10. My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner), and that's over eight years old. It would be surprising if all the chips involved could make it to 10 years; 20 would be well past surprising and into how on earth? territory. Running a microchip will eventually break it, as the electrical current causes atoms to move and this eventually makes a transistor unable to trans. Relatively low power, and relatively low use (no one has their camera on 24/7, unlike a server) camera chips are going to last relatively well, but there's a certain amount of passive diffusion involved, too. All that cleverness isn't really stable; it's just that the house of cards takes some years to fall over. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This camera sounds good, although I'm disappointed with the flash synch speed. But if low light autofocus and autofocus speed in general are much improved, it's a major step up. The frame rate is also a big plus. But I may wait to see what the K30D offers. That camera is reportedly due later this year. I don't see the K7 as a game changer over the K20D, so I wonder if it's meant to be the flagship. In any case, I'll wait a bit, but if it seems that it won't be surpassed by another release very soon, I'll buy it and get rid of my K10D. Paul On May 18, 2009, at 6:53 PM, John Francis wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell Why is this a strength? More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the polycarbonate. It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera. Stiffness. I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue (there's an outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera is cold- weather certified). But unless they're building the body out of carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with a metal shell. The total lack of body flex is one of the things that I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon. And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this. My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it to make it at least to 10. My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner), and that's over eight years old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 06:53:26PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this. My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it to make it at least to 10. My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner), and that's over eight years old. It would be surprising if all the chips involved could make it to 10 years; 20 would be well past surprising and into how on earth? territory. Running a microchip will eventually break it, as the electrical current causes atoms to move and this eventually makes a transistor unable to trans. Relatively low power, and relatively low use (no one has their camera on 24/7, unlike a server) camera chips are going to last relatively well, but there's a certain amount of passive diffusion involved, too. All that cleverness isn't really stable; it's just that the house of cards takes some years to fall over. -- Graydon Graydon, Design lifetimes on that sort of failure are in the decades. Server failures are generally heat or mechanical failures (something overheated or spindle/fan failures) and often both. I've got functional systems dating back more than 20 years (Mac II, circa 1987) and 2 systems currently up 24x7 that have been running since the late 90's (one PowerMac BW G3, one PC) 20 years for a camera is easily achievable under light/moderate. The biggest issues will be batteries on those bodies that take proprietary batteries and overall shutter life. Chances are that getting replacements may become an issue and battery lifetimes are 18-24 months. Of course the Pentax bodies that take AA's lack the battery replacement issues. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 07:30:06PM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: [snip] It would be surprising if all the chips involved could make it to 10 years; 20 would be well past surprising and into how on earth? territory. Running a microchip will eventually break it, as the electrical current causes atoms to move and this eventually makes a transistor unable to trans. Relatively low power, and relatively low use (no one has their camera on 24/7, unlike a server) camera chips are going to last relatively well, but there's a certain amount of passive diffusion involved, too. All that cleverness isn't really stable; it's just that the house of cards takes some years to fall over. Design lifetimes on that sort of failure are in the decades. Server failures are generally heat or mechanical failures (something overheated or spindle/fan failures) and often both. Or current spikes, yes. But chip failures, particularly memory and processor failures, do happen. Managing materials migration is still something of a black art, especially as new process nodes are developed and theory meets practise. I've got functional systems dating back more than 20 years (Mac II, circa 1987) and 2 systems currently up 24x7 that have been running since the late 90's (one PowerMac BW G3, one PC) There is very likely a certain amount of long-right-tail going on there, and also a certain amount of 'larger process, less problem'; the Mac II probably doesn't have any migration issues to speak of, it's not miniaturized enough. Current ~40nm processes have much more of a problem with this sort of thing, there's just less distance involved. Camera parts won't be on that kind of process, though I'd suspect they're all down around ~100 nm by now; power is going to be a major driver for process selection in anything battery powered. And in a camera, the most vulnerable chip is the sensor. There are 2009 ACM papers presenting improved modelling methods for predicting sensor node (which if I understand the abstract means pixel) lifetime, so I suspect the 'black art' part is still at least somewhat the case. 20 years for a camera is easily achievable under light/moderate. I won't go for easy; possible, sure, but this is something that gets carried around and regularly rattled, a wide (or at least potentially wide) thermal environment, and where the most important chip is frequently directly exposed to daylight. The biggest issues will be batteries on those bodies that take proprietary batteries and overall shutter life. Chances are that getting replacements may become an issue and battery lifetimes are 18-24 months. Of course the Pentax bodies that take AA's lack the battery replacement issues. No arguments whatsoever on the batteries. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pretty much my feeling too, Paul. Seems, at this point, certain improvements are to some extent theoretical and being left to some future real world testing. Many desirable features in the planning, but the IQ produced by my K20 may not be that seriously challenged by the K7. Jack --- On Mon, 5/18/09, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 4:18 PM This camera sounds good, although I'm disappointed with the flash synch speed. But if low light autofocus and autofocus speed in general are much improved, it's a major step up. The frame rate is also a big plus. But I may wait to see what the K30D offers. That camera is reportedly due later this year. I don't see the K7 as a game changer over the K20D, so I wonder if it's meant to be the flagship. In any case, I'll wait a bit, but if it seems that it won't be surpassed by another release very soon, I'll buy it and get rid of my K10D. Paul On May 18, 2009, at 6:53 PM, John Francis wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell Why is this a strength? More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the polycarbonate. It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera. Stiffness. I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue (there's an outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera is cold- weather certified). But unless they're building the body out of carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with a metal shell. The total lack of body flex is one of the things that I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon. And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this. My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it to make it at least to 10. My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner), and that's over eight years old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I doubt if the IQ will be much, if any, better than the K20D. But, equally, I doubt if a K30D coming later this year will offer noticeably better IQ than the K-7; doing that would be guaranteed to piss off people who pay 2x the price of a K30D. If a K30D shows up I'd expect it to get the new AF metering, plus the other in-camera processing stuff, and probably live view, all in a cheaper package (probably BG-2 compatible). I'm not sure it would get the new 4-channel sensor or the higher top shutter speed; there needs to be differentiation between the expensive model (the K-7) and the midrange, which is where I expect any K30D to be positioned. Waiting for a K30D in any expectation of it in some way surpassing the K-7 doesn't sound like a good plan to me. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 07:30:32PM -0700, Jack Davis wrote: Pretty much my feeling too, Paul. Seems, at this point, certain improvements are to some extent theoretical and being left to some future real world testing. Many desirable features in the planning, but the IQ produced by my K20 may not be that seriously challenged by the K7. Jack --- On Mon, 5/18/09, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs... To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 4:18 PM This camera sounds good, although I'm disappointed with the flash synch speed. But if low light autofocus and autofocus speed in general are much improved, it's a major step up. The frame rate is also a big plus. But I may wait to see what the K30D offers. That camera is reportedly due later this year. I don't see the K7 as a game changer over the K20D, so I wonder if it's meant to be the flagship. In any case, I'll wait a bit, but if it seems that it won't be surpassed by another release very soon, I'll buy it and get rid of my K10D. Paul On May 18, 2009, at 6:53 PM, John Francis wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o? Metal body shell Why is this a strength? More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the polycarbonate.? It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera. Stiffness. I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue (there's an outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera is cold- weather certified).? But unless they're building the body out of carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with a metal shell.? The total lack of body flex is one of the things that I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon. And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this. My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it to make it at least to 10.? My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner), and that's over eight years old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...
In this case, indeed there's no point. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:40 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: I rarely use the 18-55 I bought with the K10D, especially since I now have the DA* 16-50. I don't expect to buy the kit zoom if it would add $100 to the package price. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...
K-7 is ike MZ-S, body is metal but it is covered with polycarbonate/rubber so you won't feel the metal touch. More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the polycarbonate. It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Flash sync speed is still not confirmed. It may be 1/250. Noise reportedly is quite better. We'll see. K-7 is top of the line, do not expect much better from the K200/K20 replacement, it will be lower end. Maybe better video but forget about fps and fast shutter speeds. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:18 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: This camera sounds good, although I'm disappointed with the flash synch speed. But if low light autofocus and autofocus speed in general are much improved, it's a major step up. The frame rate is also a big plus. But I may wait to see what the K30D offers. That camera is reportedly due later this year. I don't see the K7 as a game changer over the K20D, so I wonder if it's meant to be the flagship. In any case, I'll wait a bit, but if it seems that it won't be surpassed by another release very soon, I'll buy it and get rid of my K10D. Paul On May 18, 2009, at 6:53 PM, John Francis wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Graydon wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:36:53PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:22:00PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: http://www.ricehigh.blogspot.com Looks interesting indeed... :-) LF So - what are the perceived strengths weaknesses? Strengths, as I see them: o Metal body shell Why is this a strength? More expensive, not as strong, and conducts more heat than the polycarbonate. It might be a strength if you expect a 20 year working life and want something that won't become brittle when it runs out of elastomers, but that's not true of a digital camera. Stiffness. I'm sure heat conduction isn't going to be an issue (there's an outer skin of polycarbonate, after all, and the camera is cold- weather certified). But unless they're building the body out of carbon fibre it's not going to be as stiff as one with a metal shell. The total lack of body flex is one of the things that I noticed when I got to play with a high-end CaNikon. And I *do* expect close to a 20-year working life out of this. My *ist-D still works just fine after 5.5 years; I expect it to make it at least to 10. My old Canon PowerShot G1 is still delivering images (albeit now in the hands of its second owner), and that's over eight years old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
