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Bob is the product of millenia of cultural advancement, from grunting Neanderthals to Sir Isaaac Newton rubbing his sore head and beyond. That sort of stuff doesn't come in a paper tube. It comes in a glass. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/09/24 Wed PM 05:26:52 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview Bob W wrote: snip I think I really want some of what Bob is smoking... My cleaner's Bulgarian and she always puts my forks back in the wrong drawer. I don't think she knows what they are. The Chinese invented forks in 27,000 BC during the Tang dynasty, but their use as food implements was not discovered until the middle of the Third Kingdom of Aethereal Blessings, when the Grand Yang had entered it's ninth Charm. Before that they had been used as ceremonial halberds by the Chipmunk Guard. When all the chipmunks died following the Killer Rice Plague of Yuan Dong Ho people found it very convenient to use the forks to barbecue the tiny beasties. Parents learned from their children to eat the carbonised flesh directly from the forks and lo! a cutlery was born. Bob -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Who knows... haven't been there, haven't seen that :) It is highly possible, that in some regions fork was more known and accepted than in others. I'll have to ask my Bulgarian friend to query his friends there. Since the area's been constantly inhabited for nearly 8000 years, they're likely to have been early on the exposure/adoption curve for forks and lots of other stuff. My cleaner's Bulgarian and she always puts my forks back in the wrong drawer. I don't think she knows what they are. The Chinese invented forks in 27,000 BC during the Tang dynasty, but their use as food implements was not discovered until the middle of the Third Kingdom of Aethereal Blessings, when the Grand Yang had entered it's ninth Charm. Before that they had been used as ceremonial halberds by the Chipmunk Guard. When all the chipmunks died following the Killer Rice Plague of Yuan Dong Ho people found it very convenient to use the forks to barbecue the tiny beasties. Parents learned from their children to eat the carbonised flesh directly from the forks and lo! a cutlery was born. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: John Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/09/23 Tue PM 09:44:21 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview + Oops fix Just think of the messages we are saving...I read just yesterday that a fork in time saves nine! A fork in time saves tines. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Cotty wrote: Fork handles? Got any fork handles? Oh yes, one of the true classics. Here's another of my favourites: Swedish Made Simple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkWMcRlE1mQ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul, In low light there really is no comparison in AF performance between the D300 and the Pentax's the D300 is simply massively better. Of course it's also something of a category breaker, offering AF performance that previously was only available on $4k+ Pro bodies, there's nothing in the sub-$2k market that can match the D300's overall AF performance, nothing really comes close except for centre-point only performance where the A700, 40D/50D and E-3 can compete. IQ on the other hand... And the DA*'s really are gems. I'd much rather have that pair than the Nikon equivalents. -Adam On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the same two lenses for weddings. They're perfectly matched to that task. I would take the friend's comments and divide them by half. Yes, I'm sure the D300 offers better autofocus, but defending one's purchase tends to multiply benefits exponentially. And don't forget that the two lenses you're using are gems. That counts for a lot. Paul On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:58 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: That is most likely what I'll do. The cost of lens switching makes it a much bigger deal. And, I am happy with my lenses. For weddings I'm using the 16-50/2.8 and 50-135/2.8 - both of which are just right for that venue. But it would be nice to have Pentax cause some excitement again. Seeing one low end body after another released does get rather tedious. A friend of mine just switched away from Pentax to the Nikon D300 instead of going with a K20D. She indicates that the AF capability is no comparison between them. The Nikon is way better in her opinion. The areas she was particularly comparing were low light and action. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:39:29 PM, you wrote: PS I was pleased with the low light autofocus performance I got at last PS weeks wedding reception with the K20D and DA* 16-50/2.8. In dim PS tungsten lighting, I didn't have a problem with shots that didn't PS involve a lot of action. For some of the late night dancing, I went PS to a hyperfocal setting of f8 with the lens at about 24mm. The flash PS was able to handle that since I had to get in quite close. However, PS I'd love to have even better performance, and I think we'll PS eventually get it. I wouldn't hesitate to move into a K20D if you use PS two cameras. My program is buy the new one and sell the oldest one. PS It's worked fine for me so far. PS Paul PS On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview 6 frame RAW buffer on the D300? Huh? I typically get between 15-25 RAW frames depending on settings (RAW compression, bit depth, DR expansion and both types of NR all drop the buffer, you'd need to turn everything on to get 6-9 frames and some options are mutually exclusive or the buffer is irrelevant when they'd b used like long-exposure NR). Ditto the AF, it's VERY fast, but extremely complex and it's possible to seriously misconfigure it. Nikon does not even approach handholding with their serious cameras. It sounds like your friend needs to either read the manual or buy Thom Hogan's e-book. I suspect he needs to grow a brain. Or else he was trying to make me feel better.. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: snip I think I really want some of what Bob is smoking... My cleaner's Bulgarian and she always puts my forks back in the wrong drawer. I don't think she knows what they are. The Chinese invented forks in 27,000 BC during the Tang dynasty, but their use as food implements was not discovered until the middle of the Third Kingdom of Aethereal Blessings, when the Grand Yang had entered it's ninth Charm. Before that they had been used as ceremonial halberds by the Chipmunk Guard. When all the chipmunks died following the Killer Rice Plague of Yuan Dong Ho people found it very convenient to use the forks to barbecue the tiny beasties. Parents learned from their children to eat the carbonised flesh directly from the forks and lo! a cutlery was born. Bob -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: My cleaner's Bulgarian and she always puts my forks back in the wrong drawer. I don't think she knows what they are. P. J. Alling wrote: I think I really want some of what Bob is smoking... Screw that. I want someone to clean my house for me. -- Scott Loveless New Cumberland, PA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Scott Loveless wrote: Bob W wrote: My cleaner's Bulgarian and she always puts my forks back in the wrong drawer. I don't think she knows what they are. P. J. Alling wrote: I think I really want some of what Bob is smoking... Screw that. I want someone to clean my house for me. He only thinks someone is doing his house cleaning... -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For what it is worth: TeKaDe (www.tekade.de) is offering the 60-250mm lens on pre order for 1299 euro, and if pre ordered it will be shipped before Christmas. Frits Thibouille wrote: Difference being that it is officially announced to be available at that date. Before nothing was officially stated, except a tentative date... We'll see of course ... On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:58 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Official, details on Dpreview Ring flash: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092202pentaxringflash.asp DA15/4 Limited and 1.4X converter http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092203pentax15mmconverter.asp DA*55 and DA*60-250 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092204pentaxDAstarlenses.asp DA L 18-55 and DA L 50-200 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092205pentaxdallenses.asp Pentax K-m + previews http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp The lens roadmap has also just been updated. http://www.pentax.jp/english/imaging/digital/lens/roadmap.pdf They are now projecting the release of the 60-250 to be january 2009. This has to be the third or fourth time they have dropped the ball on the release date, and I believe the release date is now two years later than the original. I'll believe in the 60-250 when I can buy one, but right now it looks more like vapourware than hardware. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Ken, Ken Waller wrote: With the ringflash by itself, I had the best results by covering half of the flash tube with tape. I also carried a small slave flash (that was triggered by the flash from the ringflash), held off to the side of the subject surface - I generally got the best results with the slave. Cool! Thanks for the info. Now I just need to find the cash for a ring flash. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 23/9/08, Thibouille, discombobulated, unleashed: You may know more about your Pentax future in a couple months (not that many really) ... Free beer. Tomorrow. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Could you elaborate a bit more, please? Jaume - Mensaje original De: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 23 de septiembre, 2008 6:54:51 Asunto: Re: Official, details on Dpreview You may know more about your Pentax future in a couple months (not that many really) ... -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well I'm not under NDA so I do not have access to first hand informations but... my sources which I can't talk about advised me to wait for PMA (January if I'm not mistaken). The K-M IMO is a pretty nice low-end camera. Now Pentax needs a higher end one, either APS-C or FF (I don't care much personnaly) or 645D/67D. Now that the adressed the low-end issue (where the money is, they were right to address this end of the market first) they are under pressure to show more. If they do not deliver at PMA, a lot of people will jump ship. I do not agree with this but that's just how it is. If they do not deliver for PMA... well you know you have mostly no regret for jumping ship. Pentax might still show a mockup or something alike but Hoya acting makes me very doubious about that. Regards, -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Thibs, I am also not obsessed with FF, but better high ISO performance wouldn't hurt, and if APS-C sensors are reaching its limits, it may be a mandatory path. What I really would like to see is a Pentax DSLR with a better AF performance. They claim to have improved it in the K-m...I would be fun to see the lowest end body ever produced with the best DSLR AF ever. There is also the new 'micro' trend. It would be nice to have a micro-K mount, with a couple of kit zooms dedicated and the possibility to use APS-C/FF lenses on it (with a multiplying factor, of course). But I am afraid that this depends on the decision that Samsung may take around its planned micro system. (Hey, I am afraid to discover that I enjoy following the camera market as much as taking pictures...) ;-) Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 23 de septiembre, 2008 10:29:38 Asunto: Re: Official, details on Dpreview Well I'm not under NDA so I do not have access to first hand informations but... my sources which I can't talk about advised me to wait for PMA (January if I'm not mistaken). The K-M IMO is a pretty nice low-end camera. Now Pentax needs a higher end one, either APS-C or FF (I don't care much personnaly) or 645D/67D. Now that the adressed the low-end issue (where the money is, they were right to address this end of the market first) they are under pressure to show more. If they do not deliver at PMA, a lot of people will jump ship. I do not agree with this but that's just how it is. If they do not deliver for PMA... well you know you have mostly no regret for jumping ship. Pentax might still show a mockup or something alike but Hoya acting makes me very doubious about that. Regards, -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Boris Liberman wrote: On slightly different matter, I am surprised to see that DA* 55/1.4 weighs just a hair below 400 grams with filter diameter of whopping 58 mm. This is very big chunk of glass, much like just announced Nikon 50/1.4G lens. I wonder why? At least Nikon covers full frame, and DA* 55 doesn't necessarily have to. There are probably good reasons for the size of the DA55. My guess, trying to get the exit pupil as large as possible. Tele-centricity is good to avoid hairy CA problems, a path that Sigma have also followed with their 50/1.4. Plus, SDM doesn't come free. There needs to be some room in there to accommodate the drive. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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How many frames have you shot with the K10? It probably won't expire before 100,000. And you can already buy something better. It's called the K20D. Now, if you want a serious $5000 pro camera, you have to change brands. But unless you're going full commercial, that would be the photographic equivalent of buying a pinky ring. Paul On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:45 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Bill, I humbly disagree with you. People who buy K-m are likely to buy those plastic mount kit lenses along the way. Then of course, for them (-- please notice that) K20D would appear outdated. That's the problem. Say, you have K-m. You ask yourself, what can I buy next up the ranks? Oh, you say, there is this full frame camera, let it be called K-1D for sake of this little story here. Hmmm, it is big and it is expensive. What is in between? Oh, K20D. Good, good, where is my credit car? However what happens in reality? In reality what happens is what Bruce or myself wrote some messages ago in the same thread. I don't want to be perceived as pessimistic or anything. I am pretty much content about my gear. I only want to feel certain that when some of it expires (as it has to), I will be able to buy new gear just as good as my current one. To be totally honest, I am not entirely sure of that. Boris William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview Hello Boris, Very well put. I was waiting to see what would come out of Photokina. Unfortunately, what I see is more of the same. More and more low end bodies and nothing above the middle. Some day, they ought to get caught up with the bottom, since that is mostly what they have been producing. It's kind of sad that the best they can aspire to is to have the cheapest cameras on the market. At least the K20 might look like an upgrade path to K-m buyers William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview Bill, I humbly disagree with you. People who buy K-m are likely to buy those plastic mount kit lenses along the way. Then of course, for them (-- please notice that) K20D would appear outdated. That's the problem. Say, you have K-m. You ask yourself, what can I buy next up the ranks? Oh, you say, there is this full frame camera, let it be called K-1D for sake of this little story here. Hmmm, it is big and it is expensive. What is in between? Oh, K20D. Good, good, where is my credit car? However what happens in reality? In reality what happens is what Bruce or myself wrote some messages ago in the same thread. I don't want to be perceived as pessimistic or anything. I am pretty much content about my gear. I only want to feel certain that when some of it expires (as it has to), I will be able to buy new gear just as good as my current one. To be totally honest, I am not entirely sure of that. I was being slightly sarcastic. I've been pretty unsure of what to replace my cameras with when they expire for several years now, although so far, new bodies arrive and get used. If it makes you feel any better, my D300 user friend is already complaining about the AF in his shiny new toy, and the 6 frame RAW buffer and the somewhat slow write speeds (to be fair, he could buy a faster card than a 133x, I expect). Your point is a good one, Pentax has, for all intents, a 2 camera line, the choices being do you buy the cheap one (which the K200 fails miserably at) or the somewhat less cheap one. There should be a kind of expensive one somewhere in the line up with enhanced performance. I think you are correct and this would draw more buyers to the mid level camera. It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Your last comment On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR. When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to say that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than acceptable in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full frame. I can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images. But I would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements are always welcome as well. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No Paul, I don't want a pinky ring, for whatever that worth ($5000 may be ;-) ). But I would gladly invest $1,500 or may be even $2,000 in a new body that would have to be full frame with KAF mount. I should tell you that I am not worried about K10D mechanicals. However, my trusty *istD started to show some signs of sensor wear after 2 years of use... On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many frames have you shot with the K10? It probably won't expire before 100,000. And you can already buy something better. It's called the K20D. Now, if you want a serious $5000 pro camera, you have to change brands. But unless you're going full commercial, that would be the photographic equivalent of buying a pinky ring. Paul -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Argh, slightly sarcastic is too subtle for me to recognize. You got me here, sir William ;-). But I am glad that you understood me exactly right and that you seem to be in agreement with most of my argument. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was being slightly sarcastic. I've been pretty unsure of what to replace my cameras with when they expire for several years now, although so far, new bodies arrive and get used. If it makes you feel any better, my D300 user friend is already complaining about the AF in his shiny new toy, and the 6 frame RAW buffer and the somewhat slow write speeds (to be fair, he could buy a faster card than a 133x, I expect). Your point is a good one, Pentax has, for all intents, a 2 camera line, the choices being do you buy the cheap one (which the K200 fails miserably at) or the somewhat less cheap one. There should be a kind of expensive one somewhere in the line up with enhanced performance. I think you are correct and this would draw more buyers to the mid level camera. It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your last comment On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR. When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to say that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than acceptable in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full frame. I can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images. But I would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements are always welcome as well. Paul I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg The guy on the left has a fork. They never had forks in medieval times. Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either. I think they had like old folding Kodaks or something. I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding). cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg The guy on the left has a fork. They never had forks in medieval times. Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either. I think they had like old folding Kodaks or something. I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding). cheers, frank Well it is the Society for Creative /Anachronism/ I think the motto is; The middle Ages as they should have been. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P. J. Alling wrote: Ok, I just looked at the Pentax web site, they say it supports K and m43 lenses but with restrictions, so unless they did a quick cut and paste from a different camera I guess at least the shutter will fire with one mounted, however I didn't see a menu item to enable use of the aperture ring on the DP review site. I never understood why that item was there in the first place. Why didn't they just enable that use once and for all (when it was linked to a separate button and everything.) This seems like a prime example of the kind of completely misplaced customisation that I'm sort or going on about elsewhere. So maybe the designers have seen the light ;-) - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Impressive shot. David Savage wrote: 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your last comment On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR. When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to say that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than acceptable in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full frame. I can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images. But I would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements are always welcome as well. Paul I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/9/23 frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg The guy on the left has a fork. They never had forks in medieval times. Thats nothing check out the bottle premixed sprits being shared by the young couple 2 seats up :-) Ye olde muled vodka orange Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either. I think they had like old folding Kodaks or something. HAR! I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding). Thanks Frank. The lady on the right missing half her face was kinda gross I though. :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That'd be mulled. It's bad stuff, but not donkey piss bad 2008/9/23 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ye olde muled vodka orange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D, but it must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It would be perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a dozen lenses. Yikes! Paul On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, David Savage wrote: 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your last comment On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR. When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to say that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than acceptable in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full frame. I can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images. But I would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements are always welcome as well. Paul I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Toralf Lund wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: Ok, I just looked at the Pentax web site, they say it supports K and m43 lenses but with restrictions, so unless they did a quick cut and paste from a different camera I guess at least the shutter will fire with one mounted, however I didn't see a menu item to enable use of the aperture ring on the DP review site. I never understood why that item was there in the first place. Why didn't they just enable that use once and for all (when it was linked to a separate button and everything.) This seems like a prime example of the kind of completely misplaced customisation that I'm sort or going on about elsewhere. So maybe the designers have seen the light ;-) - Toralf One could hope. O:-) -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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6 frame RAW buffer on the D300? Huh? I typically get between 15-25 RAW frames depending on settings (RAW compression, bit depth, DR expansion and both types of NR all drop the buffer, you'd need to turn everything on to get 6-9 frames and some options are mutually exclusive or the buffer is irrelevant when they'd b used like long-exposure NR). Ditto the AF, it's VERY fast, but extremely complex and it's possible to seriously misconfigure it. Nikon does not even approach handholding with their serious cameras. It sounds like your friend needs to either read the manual or buy Thom Hogan's e-book. -Adam On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:17 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was being slightly sarcastic. I've been pretty unsure of what to replace my cameras with when they expire for several years now, although so far, new bodies arrive and get used. If it makes you feel any better, my D300 user friend is already complaining about the AF in his shiny new toy, and the 6 frame RAW buffer and the somewhat slow write speeds (to be fair, he could buy a faster card than a 133x, I expect). Your point is a good one, Pentax has, for all intents, a 2 camera line, the choices being do you buy the cheap one (which the K200 fails miserably at) or the somewhat less cheap one. There should be a kind of expensive one somewhere in the line up with enhanced performance. I think you are correct and this would draw more buyers to the mid level camera. It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi there, copy-paste from Wikipedia: First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanu, Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_II, the table fork had, by the 11th century, made its way to Italy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy. In Italy, it became quite popular by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by merchant and upper classes by 1600. 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for me... BR, Margus frank theriault wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg The guy on the left has a fork. They never had forks in medieval times. Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either. I think they had like old folding Kodaks or something. I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding). cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made another. After that forks started to get out of hand. Bob Hi there, copy-paste from Wikipedia: First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanu, Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_II, the table fork had, by the 11th century, made its way to Italy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy. In Italy, it became quite popular by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by merchant and upper classes by 1600. 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for me... BR, Margus frank theriault wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg The guy on the left has a fork. They never had forks in medieval times. Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either. I think they had like old folding Kodaks or something. I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding). cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well OK, let's continue with Wikipedia (right after the what I copied last time): It was proper for a guest to arrive with his own fork and spoon enclosed in a box called a /cadena/ In other words, everyone had their OWN fork, not just one for a whole table. BR, Margus Bob W wrote: but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made another. After that forks started to get out of hand. Bob Hi there, copy-paste from Wikipedia: First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanu, Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_II, the table fork had, by the 11th century, made its way to Italy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy. In Italy, it became quite popular by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by merchant and upper classes by 1600. 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for me... BR, Margus frank theriault wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg The guy on the left has a fork. They never had forks in medieval times. Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either. I think they had like old folding Kodaks or something. I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding). cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Margus Männik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, copy-paste from Wikipedia: First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanu, Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_II, the table fork had, by the 11th century, made its way to Italy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy. In Italy, it became quite popular by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by merchant and upper classes by 1600. 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for me... BR, Margus I don't know that this is definitive, but it seems that forks didn't make their way into Western Europe until the 16th Century and even then didn't catch on quickly: http://www.hospitalityguild.com/History/history_of_the_fork.htm By my sketchy knowledge of history, that's well after medieval times. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That is about the same for me. Low light performance, low light AF are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light performance. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:31:46 AM, you wrote: PS Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for PS wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D, but it PS must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It would be PS perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a dozen PS lenses. Yikes! PS Paul PS On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, David Savage wrote: 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your last comment On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR. When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to say that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than acceptable in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full frame. I can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images. But I would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements are always welcome as well. Paul I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 23/9/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made another. After that forks started to get out of hand. Fork handles? Got any fork handles? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 08:43:15PM +0100, Cotty wrote: On 23/9/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made another. After that forks started to get out of hand. Fork handles? Got any fork handles? Over there, next to the plugs. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hey, what the hell is this photography comment doing here? Some people have no respect for forks. Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/23/2008 3:41 PM That is about the same for me. Low light performance, low light AF are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light performance. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:31:46 AM, you wrote: PS Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for PS wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D, but it PS must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It would be PS perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a dozen PS lenses. Yikes! PS Paul PS On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, David Savage wrote: 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your last comment On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR. When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to say that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than acceptable in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full frame. I can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images. But I would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements are always welcome as well. Paul I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48d94ce3294036188091433! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon - the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the whole world was caught in a lie that no one could break out of. It was only Popes, Emperors and the Negus who ever owned THE fork, but to boost their own standing lesser mortals would make space in their cadena for the time in some unspecified future when they would rise to being Pope, Emperor or Negus. Nobody at that time had thought of actually making another fork, except of course Joan of Arc, and we toasted her with it. Bob Well OK, let's continue with Wikipedia (right after the what I copied last time): It was proper for a guest to arrive with his own fork and spoon enclosed in a box called a /cadena/ In other words, everyone had their OWN fork, not just one for a whole table. BR, Margus Bob W wrote: but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made another. After that forks started to get out of hand. Bob Hi there, copy-paste from Wikipedia: First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanu, Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_II, the table fork had, by the 11th century, made its way to Italy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy. In Italy, it became quite popular by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by merchant and upper classes by 1600. 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for me... BR, Margus frank theriault wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg The guy on the left has a fork. They never had forks in medieval times. Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either. I think they had like old folding Kodaks or something. I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding). cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Margus Männik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, copy-paste from Wikipedia: First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanu, Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_II, the table fork had, by the 11th century, made its way to Italy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy. In Italy, it became quite popular by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by merchant and upper classes by 1600. 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for me... BR, Margus I don't know that this is definitive, but it seems that forks didn't make their way into Western Europe until the 16th Century and even then didn't catch on quickly: http://www.hospitalityguild.com/History/history_of_the_fork.htm By my sketchy knowledge of history, that's well after medieval times. cheers, frank Who knows... haven't been there, haven't seen that :) It is highly possible, that in some regions fork was more known and accepted than in others. As they had no digital cameras those days (poor guys even had no film cameras and as we know - paintings do lie) we have no chance to check it out. I believe I've seen some really old forks here in local history museum (Tallinn is quite an old town, first mentioned in 1154). Whatever happened in history - we have really good medieval (15th century) restaurant here and they (thanks a lot!) do have forks :) BR, Margus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon - the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the whole world was caught in a lie that no one could break out of. It was only Popes, Emperors and the Negus who ever owned THE fork, but to boost their own standing lesser mortals would make space in their cadena for the time in some unspecified future when they would rise to being Pope, Emperor or Negus. Nobody at that time had thought of actually making another fork, except of course Joan of Arc, and we toasted her with it. Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne had thousands of forks. The unicorns had to eat with something, as you can well imagine. European explorers, soldiers and adventurers went searching for this mythical kingdom over a period of hundreds of years, based on a letter that circulated among the courts, however despite near misses, the Kingdom was never found. It was later said that the letter(s) were a hoax, but I think they only said that to explain their lousy sense of direction and the fact that they never found it. It seems that whevever they came to the fork in the road they chose the wrong way. They said we won't get fooled this tine... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Holy Fork :) BR, Margus Bob W wrote: No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon - the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the whole world was caught in a lie that no one could break out of. It was only Popes, Emperors and the Negus who ever owned THE fork, but to boost their own standing lesser mortals would make space in their cadena for the time in some unspecified future when they would rise to being Pope, Emperor or Negus. Nobody at that time had thought of actually making another fork, except of course Joan of Arc, and we toasted her with it. Bob Well OK, let's continue with Wikipedia (right after the what I copied last time): It was proper for a guest to arrive with his own fork and spoon enclosed in a box called a /cadena/ In other words, everyone had their OWN fork, not just one for a whole table. BR, Margus Bob W wrote: but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made another. After that forks started to get out of hand. Bob Hi there, copy-paste from Wikipedia: First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanu, Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_II, the table fork had, by the 11th century, made its way to Italy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy. In Italy, it became quite popular by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by merchant and upper classes by 1600. 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for me... BR, Margus frank theriault wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg The guy on the left has a fork. They never had forks in medieval times. Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either. I think they had like old folding Kodaks or something. I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding). cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne had thousands of forks. The unicorns had to eat with something, as you can well imagine. What a coincidence. I got my diploma from Prester Johanne High School. Unfortunately, the unicorns ran off with the forks long ago. Lunch time was particularly messy. -- Scott Loveless New Cumberland, PA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 23/9/08, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: Fork handles? Got any fork handles? Over there, next to the plugs. Try here :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz2-ukrd2VQ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just think of the messages we are saving...I read just yesterday that a fork in saves nine! John Graves WA1JG Scott Loveless wrote: frank theriault wrote: Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne had thousands of forks. The unicorns had to eat with something, as you can well imagine. What a coincidence. I got my diploma from Prester Johanne High School. Unfortunately, the unicorns ran off with the forks long ago. Lunch time was particularly messy. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 4:08 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon - the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the whole world was caught in a lie that no one could break out of. It was only Popes, Emperors and the Negus who ever owned THE fork, but to boost their own standing lesser mortals would make space in their cadena for the time in some unspecified future when they would rise to being Pope, Emperor or Negus. Nobody at that time had thought of actually making another fork, except of course Joan of Arc, and we toasted her with it. Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne had thousands of forks. The unicorns had to eat with something, as you can well imagine. European explorers, soldiers and adventurers went searching for this mythical kingdom over a period of hundreds of years, based on a letter that circulated among the courts, however despite near misses, the Kingdom was never found. It was later said that the letter(s) were a hoax, but I think they only said that to explain their lousy sense of direction and the fact that they never found it. It seems that whevever they came to the fork in the road they chose the wrong way. They said we won't get fooled this tine... cheers, frank Remember When you come to the fork in the road, take it! -- Yogi Berra -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I was pleased with the low light autofocus performance I got at last weeks wedding reception with the K20D and DA* 16-50/2.8. In dim tungsten lighting, I didn't have a problem with shots that didn't involve a lot of action. For some of the late night dancing, I went to a hyperfocal setting of f8 with the lens at about 24mm. The flash was able to handle that since I had to get in quite close. However, I'd love to have even better performance, and I think we'll eventually get it. I wouldn't hesitate to move into a K20D if you use two cameras. My program is buy the new one and sell the oldest one. It's worked fine for me so far. Paul On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: That is about the same for me. Low light performance, low light AF are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light performance. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:31:46 AM, you wrote: PS Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for PS wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D, but it PS must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It would be PS perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a dozen PS lenses. Yikes! PS Paul PS On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, David Savage wrote: 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your last comment On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR. When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to say that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than acceptable in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full frame. I can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images. But I would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements are always welcome as well. Paul I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just think of the messages we are saving...I read just yesterday that a fork in time saves nine! John Graves WA1JG Scott Loveless wrote: frank theriault wrote: Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne had thousands of forks. The unicorns had to eat with something, as you can well imagine. What a coincidence. I got my diploma from Prester Johanne High School. Unfortunately, the unicorns ran off with the forks long ago. Lunch time was particularly messy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Margus Männik wrote: Who knows... haven't been there, haven't seen that :) It is highly possible, that in some regions fork was more known and accepted than in others. I'll have to ask my Bulgarian friend to query his friends there. Since the area's been constantly inhabited for nearly 8000 years, they're likely to have been early on the exposure/adoption curve for forks and lots of other stuff. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 23/9/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: Remember When you come to the fork in the road, take it! -- Yogi Berra When you reach the top of the mountain, keep going! -- The Buddha. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 23/9/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: Remember When you come to the fork in the road, take it! -- Yogi Berra When you reach the top of the mountain, keep going! -- The Buddha. When you're at the bottom of the sea, take a breath! -- a Pisces ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That is most likely what I'll do. The cost of lens switching makes it a much bigger deal. And, I am happy with my lenses. For weddings I'm using the 16-50/2.8 and 50-135/2.8 - both of which are just right for that venue. But it would be nice to have Pentax cause some excitement again. Seeing one low end body after another released does get rather tedious. A friend of mine just switched away from Pentax to the Nikon D300 instead of going with a K20D. She indicates that the AF capability is no comparison between them. The Nikon is way better in her opinion. The areas she was particularly comparing were low light and action. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:39:29 PM, you wrote: PS I was pleased with the low light autofocus performance I got at last PS weeks wedding reception with the K20D and DA* 16-50/2.8. In dim PS tungsten lighting, I didn't have a problem with shots that didn't PS involve a lot of action. For some of the late night dancing, I went PS to a hyperfocal setting of f8 with the lens at about 24mm. The flash PS was able to handle that since I had to get in quite close. However, PS I'd love to have even better performance, and I think we'll PS eventually get it. I wouldn't hesitate to move into a K20D if you use PS two cameras. My program is buy the new one and sell the oldest one. PS It's worked fine for me so far. PS Paul PS On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: That is about the same for me. Low light performance, low light AF are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light performance. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:31:46 AM, you wrote: PS Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for PS wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D, but it PS must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It would be PS perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a dozen PS lenses. Yikes! PS Paul PS On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, David Savage wrote: 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your last comment On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR. When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to say that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than acceptable in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full frame. I can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images. But I would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements are always welcome as well. Paul I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I understand there once was a University of Fork, where the students would chant at athletic events FORK U;+} Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview frank theriault wrote: Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne had thousands of forks. The unicorns had to eat with something, as you can well imagine. What a coincidence. I got my diploma from Prester Johanne High School. Unfortunately, the unicorns ran off with the forks long ago. Lunch time was particularly messy. -- Scott Loveless New Cumberland, PA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I use the same two lenses for weddings. They're perfectly matched to that task. I would take the friend's comments and divide them by half. Yes, I'm sure the D300 offers better autofocus, but defending one's purchase tends to multiply benefits exponentially. And don't forget that the two lenses you're using are gems. That counts for a lot. Paul On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:58 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: That is most likely what I'll do. The cost of lens switching makes it a much bigger deal. And, I am happy with my lenses. For weddings I'm using the 16-50/2.8 and 50-135/2.8 - both of which are just right for that venue. But it would be nice to have Pentax cause some excitement again. Seeing one low end body after another released does get rather tedious. A friend of mine just switched away from Pentax to the Nikon D300 instead of going with a K20D. She indicates that the AF capability is no comparison between them. The Nikon is way better in her opinion. The areas she was particularly comparing were low light and action. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:39:29 PM, you wrote: PS I was pleased with the low light autofocus performance I got at last PS weeks wedding reception with the K20D and DA* 16-50/2.8. In dim PS tungsten lighting, I didn't have a problem with shots that didn't PS involve a lot of action. For some of the late night dancing, I went PS to a hyperfocal setting of f8 with the lens at about 24mm. The flash PS was able to handle that since I had to get in quite close. However, PS I'd love to have even better performance, and I think we'll PS eventually get it. I wouldn't hesitate to move into a K20D if you use PS two cameras. My program is buy the new one and sell the oldest one. PS It's worked fine for me so far. PS Paul PS On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: That is about the same for me. Low light performance, low light AF are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light performance. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:31:46 AM, you wrote: PS Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for PS wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D, but it PS must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It would be PS perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a dozen PS lenses. Yikes! PS Paul PS On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, David Savage wrote: 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your last comment On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote: It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was introduced in the ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it needs to be improved. Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR. When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to say that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than acceptable in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full frame. I can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images. But I would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements are always welcome as well. Paul I was shooting a medieval feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests causing a few odd expressions so I turned it off. Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused. Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2873443880_d16e513f24_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Official, details on Dpreview Ring flash: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092202pentaxringflash.asp DA15/4 Limited and 1.4X converter http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092203pentax15mmconverter.asp DA*55 and DA*60-250 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092204pentaxDAstarlenses.asp DA L 18-55 and DA L 50-200 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092205pentaxdallenses.asp Pentax K-m + previews http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp The lens roadmap has also just been updated. http://www.pentax.jp/english/imaging/digital/lens/roadmap.pdf They are now projecting the release of the 60-250 to be january 2009. This has to be the third or fourth time they have dropped the ball on the release date, and I believe the release date is now two years later than the original. I'll believe in the 60-250 when I can buy one, but right now it looks more like vapourware than hardware. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Difference being that it is officially announced to be available at that date. Before nothing was officially stated, except a tentative date... We'll see of course ... On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:58 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Official, details on Dpreview Ring flash: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092202pentaxringflash.asp DA15/4 Limited and 1.4X converter http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092203pentax15mmconverter.asp DA*55 and DA*60-250 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092204pentaxDAstarlenses.asp DA L 18-55 and DA L 50-200 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092205pentaxdallenses.asp Pentax K-m + previews http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp The lens roadmap has also just been updated. http://www.pentax.jp/english/imaging/digital/lens/roadmap.pdf They are now projecting the release of the 60-250 to be january 2009. This has to be the third or fourth time they have dropped the ball on the release date, and I believe the release date is now two years later than the original. I'll believe in the 60-250 when I can buy one, but right now it looks more like vapourware than hardware. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:06:56 +0200, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Pentax K-m + previews http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp It seems like a perfectly nice entry level camera. I'm not sure where this leaves the K200D - doesn't seem to be much reason to buy it over the K-m, unless you need the sealing. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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They claim here that the AF algorithms were reviewed... http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/2008/200819.html Also there's a new AF-Amode, whatever it is... I'm curious. As for the DA-L lenses those have plastic mount, no QuickShift and no distance markings on the focussing ring. The a lighter as well. They will be sold *only* as kit with the K-M. Other versions will live on... Also it seems it certain maker the camera is to be marketed under the K2000 name. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:06:56 +0200, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Pentax K-m + previews http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp It seems like a perfectly nice entry level camera. I'm not sure where this leaves the K200D - doesn't seem to be much reason to buy it over the K-m, unless you need the sealing. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview Difference being that it is officially announced to be available at that date. Before nothing was officially stated, except a tentative date... We'll see of course ... I would like to believe.. As I discovered yet again in the past couple of weeks, I can't manual focus fast enough to keep up with my dogs, and would really like a good AF lens in the short to mid tele range. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They claim here that the AF algorithms were reviewed... http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/2008/200819.html Also there's a new AF-Amode, whatever it is... I'm curious. AF-A is intelligent switching between AF-S and AF-C. Nikon and Sony/Minolta have had it for a while (It's a Minolta innovation) and Canon calls it AI Servo. As for the DA-L lenses those have plastic mount, no QuickShift and no distance markings on the focussing ring. The a lighter as well. They will be sold *only* as kit with the K-M. Other versions will live on... Good, I'd much rather have the DA versions, which are gems. But light is always an advantage. Also it seems it certain maker the camera is to be marketed under the K2000 name. Which is a better name for it all-round. Overall I'm relatively impressed with the K-m. It's what the K200D should have been. The still-crippled buffer is much more forgivable in a low end body than one priced the way the K200D was. hopefully Pentax will bring out a new K200D replacement for PMA with better specs. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. Having said that, if Pentax would as a matter of default actually include shiftable-P mode to all their lower level cameras, it would make them significantly more attractive to me. My K10D is about to become 2-years old. Thinking of an upgrade I don't think of staying at the same marketing level. I'd rather either go down to K-m (but lack of shiftable program is absolute show stopper to me) or up to whatever it will be above K20D. Another alternative, which I am starting to think very seriously about is likes of Panasonic G-1 with hopefully good 20/1.7 lens, a portrait lens and some wide lens, may be even wide zoom lens. On slightly different matter, I am surprised to see that DA* 55/1.4 weighs just a hair below 400 grams with filter diameter of whopping 58 mm. This is very big chunk of glass, much like just announced Nikon 50/1.4G lens. I wonder why? At least Nikon covers full frame, and DA* 55 doesn't necessarily have to. Just my cents. Boris On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overall I'm relatively impressed with the K-m. It's what the K200D should have been. The still-crippled buffer is much more forgivable in a low end body than one priced the way the K200D was. hopefully Pentax will bring out a new K200D replacement for PMA with better specs. -Adam -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Overall I agree, and Pentax can always let the K20D drift downwards in price to cover that. But a flagship is very, very necessary now that every other maker except Panasonic is offering a flagship model. And Panny's likely exiting the DSLR market in favour of M4/3 which fits their proclivities better. -Adam On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. Having said that, if Pentax would as a matter of default actually include shiftable-P mode to all their lower level cameras, it would make them significantly more attractive to me. My K10D is about to become 2-years old. Thinking of an upgrade I don't think of staying at the same marketing level. I'd rather either go down to K-m (but lack of shiftable program is absolute show stopper to me) or up to whatever it will be above K20D. Another alternative, which I am starting to think very seriously about is likes of Panasonic G-1 with hopefully good 20/1.7 lens, a portrait lens and some wide lens, may be even wide zoom lens. On slightly different matter, I am surprised to see that DA* 55/1.4 weighs just a hair below 400 grams with filter diameter of whopping 58 mm. This is very big chunk of glass, much like just announced Nikon 50/1.4G lens. I wonder why? At least Nikon covers full frame, and DA* 55 doesn't necessarily have to. Just my cents. Boris On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overall I'm relatively impressed with the K-m. It's what the K200D should have been. The still-crippled buffer is much more forgivable in a low end body than one priced the way the K200D was. hopefully Pentax will bring out a new K200D replacement for PMA with better specs. -Adam -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I may be wrong... I though that the K200D has indeed program shift although it is a dumb shoft and no way HyperProgram. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For my purposes, the K20D has proved a substantial upgrade from the K10D, and the two cameras make a nice work pair. I'm pleased that I bought in right away, since the next upgrade still appears to be well in the future. Unless I start getting $200/hr. assignments, I can't see investing in a $3000 camera. I think the Pentax line serves advanced amateurs and part-time professionals very well. Yes, a flagship would be a nice marketing tool, but in terms of real-world use, it's not an immediate necessity. Paul On Sep 22, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. Having said that, if Pentax would as a matter of default actually include shiftable-P mode to all their lower level cameras, it would make them significantly more attractive to me. My K10D is about to become 2-years old. Thinking of an upgrade I don't think of staying at the same marketing level. I'd rather either go down to K-m (but lack of shiftable program is absolute show stopper to me) or up to whatever it will be above K20D. Another alternative, which I am starting to think very seriously about is likes of Panasonic G-1 with hopefully good 20/1.7 lens, a portrait lens and some wide lens, may be even wide zoom lens. On slightly different matter, I am surprised to see that DA* 55/1.4 weighs just a hair below 400 grams with filter diameter of whopping 58 mm. This is very big chunk of glass, much like just announced Nikon 50/1.4G lens. I wonder why? At least Nikon covers full frame, and DA* 55 doesn't necessarily have to. Just my cents. Boris On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overall I'm relatively impressed with the K-m. It's what the K200D should have been. The still-crippled buffer is much more forgivable in a low end body than one priced the way the K200D was. hopefully Pentax will bring out a new K200D replacement for PMA with better specs. -Adam -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you want control over your camera the K-m makes it much more difficult. Two things the K200D has that the K-m Lacks, (that I noticed right off the bat), DOF preview and Green button modes. The K-m doesn't seem to support legacy K or M lenses and may not even allow m42 lenses, (unless they can be used wide open, which puts it back where the *ist-D began. Yes, I know the target market probably won't care. But bargain hunters will have to get the K200 to buy cheap lens capability, as will those of us who appreciate classic lenses. The K100/200 both have hyper manual, (as do the *ist-Dx models), disguised as the AF button kludge to use K class lenses, I would guess that's disappeared on the K-m as well. Still it looks like a perfectly good entry level camera with room to grow. Just not as much room as the K200 gives. Brian Walters wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:06:56 +0200, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Pentax K-m + previews http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp It seems like a perfectly nice entry level camera. I'm not sure where this leaves the K200D - doesn't seem to be much reason to buy it over the K-m, unless you need the sealing. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Agree, Paul. In a way, I'm sort of relieved that the biggy didn't show up (not surprisingly), as I can take advantage of the softening price of the K20D. It, also, looks like I'll have plenty of time to save for the 60~250, If and when... Jack --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:07 AM For my purposes, the K20D has proved a substantial upgrade from the K10D, and the two cameras make a nice work pair. I'm pleased that I bought in right away, since the next upgrade still appears to be well in the future. Unless I start getting $200/hr. assignments, I can't see investing in a $3000 camera. I think the Pentax line serves advanced amateurs and part-time professionals very well. Yes, a flagship would be a nice marketing tool, but in terms of real-world use, it's not an immediate necessity. Paul On Sep 22, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. Having said that, if Pentax would as a matter of default actually include shiftable-P mode to all their lower level cameras, it would make them significantly more attractive to me. My K10D is about to become 2-years old. Thinking of an upgrade I don't think of staying at the same marketing level. I'd rather either go down to K-m (but lack of shiftable program is absolute show stopper to me) or up to whatever it will be above K20D. Another alternative, which I am starting to think very seriously about is likes of Panasonic G-1 with hopefully good 20/1.7 lens, a portrait lens and some wide lens, may be even wide zoom lens. On slightly different matter, I am surprised to see that DA* 55/1.4 weighs just a hair below 400 grams with filter diameter of whopping 58 mm. This is very big chunk of glass, much like just announced Nikon 50/1.4G lens. I wonder why? At least Nikon covers full frame, and DA* 55 doesn't necessarily have to. Just my cents. Boris On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overall I'm relatively impressed with the K-m. It's what the K200D should have been. The still-crippled buffer is much more forgivable in a low end body than one priced the way the K200D was. hopefully Pentax will bring out a new K200D replacement for PMA with better specs. -Adam -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ok, I just looked at the Pentax web site, they say it supports K and m43 lenses but with restrictions, so unless they did a quick cut and paste from a different camera I guess at least the shutter will fire with one mounted, however I didn't see a menu item to enable use of the aperture ring on the DP review site. Oh well have to wait till someone plays with one and reports back. P. J. Alling wrote: If you want control over your camera the K-m makes it much more difficult. Two things the K200D has that the K-m Lacks, (that I noticed right off the bat), DOF preview and Green button modes. The K-m doesn't seem to support legacy K or M lenses and may not even allow m42 lenses, (unless they can be used wide open, which puts it back where the *ist-D began. Yes, I know the target market probably won't care. But bargain hunters will have to get the K200 to buy cheap lens capability, as will those of us who appreciate classic lenses. The K100/200 both have hyper manual, (as do the *ist-Dx models), disguised as the AF button kludge to use K class lenses, I would guess that's disappeared on the K-m as well. Still it looks like a perfectly good entry level camera with room to grow. Just not as much room as the K200 gives. Brian Walters wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:06:56 +0200, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Pentax K-m + previews http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp It seems like a perfectly nice entry level camera. I'm not sure where this leaves the K200D - doesn't seem to be much reason to buy it over the K-m, unless you need the sealing. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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How do you know the biggie won't show up after Photokina officially opens, that's not till tomorrow. Still plenty of time... Jack Davis wrote: Agree, Paul. In a way, I'm sort of relieved that the biggy didn't show up (not surprisingly), as I can take advantage of the softening price of the K20D. It, also, looks like I'll have plenty of time to save for the 60~250, If and when... Jack --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:07 AM For my purposes, the K20D has proved a substantial upgrade from the K10D, and the two cameras make a nice work pair. I'm pleased that I bought in right away, since the next upgrade still appears to be well in the future. Unless I start getting $200/hr. assignments, I can't see investing in a $3000 camera. I think the Pentax line serves advanced amateurs and part-time professionals very well. Yes, a flagship would be a nice marketing tool, but in terms of real-world use, it's not an immediate necessity. Paul On Sep 22, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. Having said that, if Pentax would as a matter of default actually include shiftable-P mode to all their lower level cameras, it would make them significantly more attractive to me. My K10D is about to become 2-years old. Thinking of an upgrade I don't think of staying at the same marketing level. I'd rather either go down to K-m (but lack of shiftable program is absolute show stopper to me) or up to whatever it will be above K20D. Another alternative, which I am starting to think very seriously about is likes of Panasonic G-1 with hopefully good 20/1.7 lens, a portrait lens and some wide lens, may be even wide zoom lens. On slightly different matter, I am surprised to see that DA* 55/1.4 weighs just a hair below 400 grams with filter diameter of whopping 58 mm. This is very big chunk of glass, much like just announced Nikon 50/1.4G lens. I wonder why? At least Nikon covers full frame, and DA* 55 doesn't necessarily have to. Just my cents. Boris On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overall I'm relatively impressed with the K-m. It's what the K200D should have been. The still-crippled buffer is much more forgivable in a low end body than one priced the way the K200D was. hopefully Pentax will bring out a new K200D replacement for PMA with better specs. -Adam -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 22/9/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: As I discovered yet again in the past couple of weeks, I can't manual focus fast enough to keep up with my dogs, and would really like a good AF lens in the short to mid tele range. Bill you're so a Canon guy and you just don't know it ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview On 22/9/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: As I discovered yet again in the past couple of weeks, I can't manual focus fast enough to keep up with my dogs, and would really like a good AF lens in the short to mid tele range. Bill you're so a Canon guy and you just don't know it ;) I still prefer Pentax glass. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul, I'm thinking something more along the lines of the E-3 or D300 than a A900 or D700 as flagship. More speed, tougher build similar IQ to the K20D. I don't think Pentax is in a position to do a $3k+ body anytime soon, if only because the lens line is overwhelmingly DA's. Pentax would need to release a complete set of D-FA or D-FA J lenses to viably offer a $3k body (Which would have to be FF to compete at that price range). As good as the K20D is, there are a fair number of people who need the performance advantages of a D300 or E-3. -Adam On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my purposes, the K20D has proved a substantial upgrade from the K10D, and the two cameras make a nice work pair. I'm pleased that I bought in right away, since the next upgrade still appears to be well in the future. Unless I start getting $200/hr. assignments, I can't see investing in a $3000 camera. I think the Pentax line serves advanced amateurs and part-time professionals very well. Yes, a flagship would be a nice marketing tool, but in terms of real-world use, it's not an immediate necessity. Paul On Sep 22, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. Having said that, if Pentax would as a matter of default actually include shiftable-P mode to all their lower level cameras, it would make them significantly more attractive to me. My K10D is about to become 2-years old. Thinking of an upgrade I don't think of staying at the same marketing level. I'd rather either go down to K-m (but lack of shiftable program is absolute show stopper to me) or up to whatever it will be above K20D. Another alternative, which I am starting to think very seriously about is likes of Panasonic G-1 with hopefully good 20/1.7 lens, a portrait lens and some wide lens, may be even wide zoom lens. On slightly different matter, I am surprised to see that DA* 55/1.4 weighs just a hair below 400 grams with filter diameter of whopping 58 mm. This is very big chunk of glass, much like just announced Nikon 50/1.4G lens. I wonder why? At least Nikon covers full frame, and DA* 55 doesn't necessarily have to. Just my cents. Boris On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overall I'm relatively impressed with the K-m. It's what the K200D should have been. The still-crippled buffer is much more forgivable in a low end body than one priced the way the K200D was. hopefully Pentax will bring out a new K200D replacement for PMA with better specs. -Adam -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul, I understand you very well. But admit it, K20D is in no way a competitor to A900, D700 or 5DmkII. As such, it is indeed an upgrade from K10D but marketing-wise it does not move upwards on the class ladder; it remains the mid-level camera for advanced photography connoisseur such as yourself. I am not speaking that much about technology here. I am speaking more about the perspective that common consumers are getting about Pentax. Even Oly E-3 has significant hype about it being the so-called professional offering from Olympus A.K.A. 4/3 system. No matter how good Pentax K20D is, it is not (marketing) positioned at the same level. Or even if it is, it is not perceived as such. That's been my point here. I still maintain that K10D is a darn good camera and a pleasure to work with. Peter, I humbly submit to the court that *istDS does not have HyP mode. Nor does K200D. Only *istD, K10D and K20D have it. Boris On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my purposes, the K20D has proved a substantial upgrade from the K10D, and the two cameras make a nice work pair. I'm pleased that I bought in right away, since the next upgrade still appears to be well in the future. Unless I start getting $200/hr. assignments, I can't see investing in a $3000 camera. I think the Pentax line serves advanced amateurs and part-time professionals very well. Yes, a flagship would be a nice marketing tool, but in terms of real-world use, it's not an immediate necessity. Paul -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Here I was feeling all comfortable (however temporarily) with my decision to likely go for the K20D and you had to go and spoil it. ;) At my age, I have to think about jumping in while I still can. If a $3000 biggie eventually shows up, I hope it has a Pentax name on it. Jack --- On Mon, 9/22/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:30 AM How do you know the biggie won't show up after Photokina officially opens, that's not till tomorrow. Still plenty of time... Jack Davis wrote: Agree, Paul. In a way, I'm sort of relieved that the biggy didn't show up (not surprisingly), as I can take advantage of the softening price of the K20D. It, also, looks like I'll have plenty of time to save for the 60~250, If and when... Jack --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:07 AM For my purposes, the K20D has proved a substantial upgrade from the K10D, and the two cameras make a nice work pair. I'm pleased that I bought in right away, since the next upgrade still appears to be well in the future. Unless I start getting $200/hr. assignments, I can't see investing in a $3000 camera. I think the Pentax line serves advanced amateurs and part-time professionals very well. Yes, a flagship would be a nice marketing tool, but in terms of real-world use, it's not an immediate necessity. Paul On Sep 22, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. Having said that, if Pentax would as a matter of default actually include shiftable-P mode to all their lower level cameras, it would make them significantly more attractive to me. My K10D is about to become 2-years old. Thinking of an upgrade I don't think of staying at the same marketing level. I'd rather either go down to K-m (but lack of shiftable program is absolute show stopper to me) or up to whatever it will be above K20D. Another alternative, which I am starting to think very seriously about is likes of Panasonic G-1 with hopefully good 20/1.7 lens, a portrait lens and some wide lens, may be even wide zoom lens. On slightly different matter, I am surprised to see that DA* 55/1.4 weighs just a hair below 400 grams with filter diameter of whopping 58 mm. This is very big chunk of glass, much like just announced Nikon 50/1.4G lens. I wonder why? At least Nikon covers full frame, and DA* 55 doesn't necessarily have to. Just my cents. Boris On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overall I'm relatively impressed with the K-m. It's what the K200D should have been. The still-crippled buffer is much more forgivable in a low end body than one priced the way the K200D was. hopefully Pentax will bring out a new K200D replacement for PMA with better specs. -Adam -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/9/22 William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Cotty Bill you're so a Canon guy and you just don't know it ;) I still prefer Pentax glass. So do I. Shame about the bodies though. Cheers. Dave (enjoying his new toy) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The *ist-Ds/l/[2] kx00d cameras don't have hyper program, but in manual mode the exposure lock button works just like the green button does on the *ist-D, (sets either aperture, shutter, or program line based on custom function) which is hyper manual by any other name. Boris Liberman wrote: Paul, I understand you very well. But admit it, K20D is in no way a competitor to A900, D700 or 5DmkII. As such, it is indeed an upgrade from K10D but marketing-wise it does not move upwards on the class ladder; it remains the mid-level camera for advanced photography connoisseur such as yourself. I am not speaking that much about technology here. I am speaking more about the perspective that common consumers are getting about Pentax. Even Oly E-3 has significant hype about it being the so-called professional offering from Olympus A.K.A. 4/3 system. No matter how good Pentax K20D is, it is not (marketing) positioned at the same level. Or even if it is, it is not perceived as such. That's been my point here. I still maintain that K10D is a darn good camera and a pleasure to work with. Peter, I humbly submit to the court that *istDS does not have HyP mode. Nor does K200D. Only *istD, K10D and K20D have it. Boris On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my purposes, the K20D has proved a substantial upgrade from the K10D, and the two cameras make a nice work pair. I'm pleased that I bought in right away, since the next upgrade still appears to be well in the future. Unless I start getting $200/hr. assignments, I can't see investing in a $3000 camera. I think the Pentax line serves advanced amateurs and part-time professionals very well. Yes, a flagship would be a nice marketing tool, but in terms of real-world use, it's not an immediate necessity. Paul -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now if Pentax can only get them into the big box stores, we'll get some support in the specialty shops... Michel Carrère-Gée wrote: Thibouille a écrit : .. Pentax K-m + previews http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp K2000 on US market ! : http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--K2000_Lens_and_Flash_System/reqID--10540163/subsection--digital_slr -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good to see the coming converter will work with older auto focus lenses. Just wonder which focal lengths? Would be nice if the ring flash had some way of turning off a segment of the flash for some increased con- trast. I have an older Pentax ring flash which works well, but at times I'd like to be able to get some contrast - a ring flash without segments to turn on off produces a flat image (shadows give a sense of depth, therefore contrast). Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Official, details on Dpreview Ring flash: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092202pentaxringflash.asp DA15/4 Limited and 1.4X converter http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092203pentax15mmconverter.asp DA*55 and DA*60-250 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092204pentaxDAstarlenses.asp DA L 18-55 and DA L 50-200 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092205pentaxdallenses.asp Pentax K-m + previews http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092206pentaxkm.asp Comments later... -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When I've used a ring flash like this, I simply used a piece of black construction paper or some aluminum foil to shade part of the flash tube if I wanted to provide more directional lighting. Godfrey On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Good to see the coming converter will work with older auto focus lenses. Just wonder which focal lengths? Would be nice if the ring flash had some way of turning off a segment of the flash for some increased con- trast. I have an older Pentax ring flash which works well, but at times I'd like to be able to get some contrast - a ring flash without segments to turn on off produces a flat image (shadows give a sense of depth, therefore contrast). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 03:28:37PM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. I'm really not convinced. I've worked for a company (Apollo computer) that poured a significant sum of RD money into developing a flagship; money that was never recovered from sales of the high-end model. Meanwhile the competition (Sun) cleaned up selling mod-range systems. I personally would like to see something a little above the K20D, but from a bottom-line perspective I'm not sure that anybody except Nikon and Canon can afford to develop really high-end systems (even if you accept the questionable proposition that having the top-of-the-line model really does increase sales of the entry-level bodies; I don't think the person who buys a D50, say, cares about the D3, as long as there is a D300 to aspire to). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ken's post: Good to see the coming converter will work with older auto focus lenses. Just wonder which focal lengths? - Earlier reports had it that it will be a rebadge of the optics of the Kenko Pro 300, which is a very good TC. I am waiting to get one to use with my F*600 F4. It should work with any lens. - Would be nice if the ring flash had some way of turning off a segment of the flash for some increased con- trast. - I believe it will have two lamps, which can be individually adjusted. Also, Metz is coming out with a very nice, capable ring flash for Pentax. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John, the main problem here is that many people (I think it is many, but I may be wrong) may be willing to go that extra-buck and stretch themselves as far as to buy 5DMkII or D700 or A900. This is what I would definitely do now if I had Canon, Nikon or Sony/Minolta equivalent of lenses that I have in Pentax mount. I can easily admit that I should very much like to have a full frame camera or alternatively to buy into the system that delivers the promise of small and light gear with excellent image quality (read - Olympus bodies with potentially Leica lenses). So I would go as far as to predict that all these full frame cameras are going to be selling really well. The multitude of recent announcements and the lowering of prices seems to be in line with my understanding. Naturally, it is driven by marketing departments of respective players. Some time ago, it has been written in the news that Pentax managed to grab the third spot in the list of top selling manufacturers (don't ask me what market exactly it was, I just don't remember). The question that invites to be asked is whether Pentax will manage to hold on to that spot. To tell you the truth, the recent news about manufacturing facilities being completely moved out of Japan does make me feel somewhat nervous. Yes, indeed, my gear is fine and it is shooting straight and going strong, but quite recent accident with that FA 43 lens that I had last year clearly indicates that no matter how good, my gear is not going to last forever, you know. Boris John Francis wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 03:28:37PM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. I'm really not convinced. I've worked for a company (Apollo computer) that poured a significant sum of RD money into developing a flagship; money that was never recovered from sales of the high-end model. Meanwhile the competition (Sun) cleaned up selling mod-range systems. I personally would like to see something a little above the K20D, but from a bottom-line perspective I'm not sure that anybody except Nikon and Canon can afford to develop really high-end systems (even if you accept the questionable proposition that having the top-of-the-line model really does increase sales of the entry-level bodies; I don't think the person who buys a D50, say, cares about the D3, as long as there is a D300 to aspire to). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When I've used a ring flash like this, I simply used a piece of black construction paper or some aluminum foil to shade part of the flash tube if I wanted to provide more directional lighting. That's why I carry some black electrical tape with my ring flash. I just wanted to point this out to those who might be interested. I use to do alot of evidence photography while the ring flash was great for alot of close up work, it was lacking when it came to capturing depth on fracture surfaces. Thanks Godfrey Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview When I've used a ring flash like this, I simply used a piece of black construction paper or some aluminum foil to shade part of the flash tube if I wanted to provide more directional lighting. Godfrey On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Good to see the coming converter will work with older auto focus lenses. Just wonder which focal lengths? Would be nice if the ring flash had some way of turning off a segment of the flash for some increased con- trast. I have an older Pentax ring flash which works well, but at times I'd like to be able to get some contrast - a ring flash without segments to turn on off produces a flat image (shadows give a sense of depth, therefore contrast). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wasn't aware... thanks Joe Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview Ken's post: Good to see the coming converter will work with older auto focus lenses. Just wonder which focal lengths? - Earlier reports had it that it will be a rebadge of the optics of the Kenko Pro 300, which is a very good TC. I am waiting to get one to use with my F*600 F4. It should work with any lens. - Would be nice if the ring flash had some way of turning off a segment of the flash for some increased con- trast. - I believe it will have two lamps, which can be individually adjusted. Also, Metz is coming out with a very nice, capable ring flash for Pentax. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hello Boris, Very well put. I was waiting to see what would come out of Photokina. Unfortunately, what I see is more of the same. More and more low end bodies and nothing above the middle. Some day, they ought to get caught up with the bottom, since that is mostly what they have been producing. It certainly doesn't give me much excitement. Still with the K10D and not sure where I'll head. The investment in the system certainly leans me towards hanging around and seeing what will eventually happen..but I'm not excited at this stage. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, September 22, 2008, 7:18:51 AM, you wrote: BL Paul, I understand you very well. But admit it, K20D is in no way a BL competitor to A900, D700 or 5DmkII. As such, it is indeed an upgrade BL from K10D but marketing-wise it does not move upwards on the class BL ladder; it remains the mid-level camera for advanced photography BL connoisseur such as yourself. BL I am not speaking that much about technology here. I am speaking more BL about the perspective that common consumers are getting about Pentax. BL Even Oly E-3 has significant hype about it being the so-called BL professional offering from Olympus A.K.A. 4/3 system. No matter how BL good Pentax K20D is, it is not (marketing) positioned at the same BL level. Or even if it is, it is not perceived as such. BL That's been my point here. BL I still maintain that K10D is a darn good camera and a pleasure to work with. BL Peter, I humbly submit to the court that *istDS does not have HyP BL mode. Nor does K200D. Only *istD, K10D and K20D have it. BL Boris BL On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my purposes, the K20D has proved a substantial upgrade from the K10D, and the two cameras make a nice work pair. I'm pleased that I bought in right away, since the next upgrade still appears to be well in the future. Unless I start getting $200/hr. assignments, I can't see investing in a $3000 camera. I think the Pentax line serves advanced amateurs and part-time professionals very well. Yes, a flagship would be a nice marketing tool, but in terms of real-world use, it's not an immediate necessity. Paul BL -- BL Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pentax no longer holds the #3 spot, their capture of that spot predates Sony's rollout of the A700 and then the A200/300/350 in January. Sony currently holds #3 by a fair margin, that's only going to get bigger as they build up their system to something similar to CaNikon's systems. Frankly, I wouldn't be shocked to find that Oly's overtaken Pentax for #4, given their far more successful consumer line in 2008. I see a lot more E-4x0's and E-5x0's than I do K200D's (I've never actually seen anyone actually using a K200D in public, I still see the older bodies and the occasional K20D around. Lots of DL's and K100D's) -Adam On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, the main problem here is that many people (I think it is many, but I may be wrong) may be willing to go that extra-buck and stretch themselves as far as to buy 5DMkII or D700 or A900. This is what I would definitely do now if I had Canon, Nikon or Sony/Minolta equivalent of lenses that I have in Pentax mount. I can easily admit that I should very much like to have a full frame camera or alternatively to buy into the system that delivers the promise of small and light gear with excellent image quality (read - Olympus bodies with potentially Leica lenses). So I would go as far as to predict that all these full frame cameras are going to be selling really well. The multitude of recent announcements and the lowering of prices seems to be in line with my understanding. Naturally, it is driven by marketing departments of respective players. Some time ago, it has been written in the news that Pentax managed to grab the third spot in the list of top selling manufacturers (don't ask me what market exactly it was, I just don't remember). The question that invites to be asked is whether Pentax will manage to hold on to that spot. To tell you the truth, the recent news about manufacturing facilities being completely moved out of Japan does make me feel somewhat nervous. Yes, indeed, my gear is fine and it is shooting straight and going strong, but quite recent accident with that FA 43 lens that I had last year clearly indicates that no matter how good, my gear is not going to last forever, you know. Boris John Francis wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 03:28:37PM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: Adam, IMO there is no immediate need for the camera between K-m and K20D. What is desperately needed, is camera (way) above K20D. For now, Pentax is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, and Canon in this respect. I'm really not convinced. I've worked for a company (Apollo computer) that poured a significant sum of RD money into developing a flagship; money that was never recovered from sales of the high-end model. Meanwhile the competition (Sun) cleaned up selling mod-range systems. I personally would like to see something a little above the K20D, but from a bottom-line perspective I'm not sure that anybody except Nikon and Canon can afford to develop really high-end systems (even if you accept the questionable proposition that having the top-of-the-line model really does increase sales of the entry-level bodies; I don't think the person who buys a D50, say, cares about the D3, as long as there is a D300 to aspire to). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From what I could find on the French website, you can program the '?' button to act as digital preview. I dunno if a usual 'in viewfinder' DOF preview is possible. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ken Waller wrote: I use to do alot of evidence photography while the ring flash was great for alot of close up work, it was lacking when it came to capturing depth on fracture surfaces. To get more depth on a textured surface, is it enough to have a two-segment flash and cover one of them? Or does it really need a three- or four-segment flash with one or two segments covered? Or do you have to work harder than that and try to balance the tubes more than blank one out? I'm interested in playing with this stuff, but I never have before. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Doug With the ringflash by itself, I had the best results by covering half of the flash tube with tape. I also carried a small slave flash (that was triggered by the flash from the ringflash), held off to the side of the subject surface - I generally got the best results with the slave. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview Ken Waller wrote: I use to do alot of evidence photography while the ring flash was great for alot of close up work, it was lacking when it came to capturing depth on fracture surfaces. To get more depth on a textured surface, is it enough to have a two-segment flash and cover one of them? Or does it really need a three- or four-segment flash with one or two segments covered? Or do you have to work harder than that and try to balance the tubes more than blank one out? I'm interested in playing with this stuff, but I never have before. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview Hello Boris, Very well put. I was waiting to see what would come out of Photokina. Unfortunately, what I see is more of the same. More and more low end bodies and nothing above the middle. Some day, they ought to get caught up with the bottom, since that is mostly what they have been producing. It's kind of sad that the best they can aspire to is to have the cheapest cameras on the market. At least the K20 might look like an upgrade path to K-m buyers William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill, I humbly disagree with you. People who buy K-m are likely to buy those plastic mount kit lenses along the way. Then of course, for them (-- please notice that) K20D would appear outdated. That's the problem. Say, you have K-m. You ask yourself, what can I buy next up the ranks? Oh, you say, there is this full frame camera, let it be called K-1D for sake of this little story here. Hmmm, it is big and it is expensive. What is in between? Oh, K20D. Good, good, where is my credit car? However what happens in reality? In reality what happens is what Bruce or myself wrote some messages ago in the same thread. I don't want to be perceived as pessimistic or anything. I am pretty much content about my gear. I only want to feel certain that when some of it expires (as it has to), I will be able to buy new gear just as good as my current one. To be totally honest, I am not entirely sure of that. Boris William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview Hello Boris, Very well put. I was waiting to see what would come out of Photokina. Unfortunately, what I see is more of the same. More and more low end bodies and nothing above the middle. Some day, they ought to get caught up with the bottom, since that is mostly what they have been producing. It's kind of sad that the best they can aspire to is to have the cheapest cameras on the market. At least the K20 might look like an upgrade path to K-m buyers William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You may know more about your Pentax future in a couple months (not that many really) ... -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
