Re: Blastered comp (was: Re: Americana discussion)
Hey there, alt.country poster boy JW Sure, there's a f*cking review on the f*cking Twangzine if you people would ever bother to read the f*cking thing. g I cant get at it with 'NetNanny' in the way. Later... CK ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: I GOT A DAY JOB!
In a message dated 99-01-20 20:40:55 EST, Mike writes: Since you all lent your support when I was recently terminated by an idiot boss, I thought it only far that I share my good news with you. I will be PD and begin doing mornings Feb 1 on WCUL in Culpeper VA and while the format is a bit too HNC for me, it does pay about 30% better and I will have a bit of room to play with the music to bring some of the disaffected country listeners (read 35+) back into the fold. The best part is I get to go head to head with the jerk that fired me and since I built the jerk's station up, I'll take great pleasure in dismantling it 1 listener at a time. Thanks for all your support P2! That's great news Mike, congrats. Good luck, hope you make that bastard squirm. Elena SKye
Re: I GOT A DAY JOB!
Congrats Mike. Remember the key to MD success.All Garth, All the time. Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 727 Alder Circle - Va Beach, Va - 23462 -(757) 467-3764
Re: I GOT A DAY JOB!
In a message dated 99-01-20 20:41:30 EST, you write: Since you all lent your support when I was recently terminated by an idiot boss, I thought it only far that I share my good news with you. I will be PD and begin doing mornings Feb 1 on WCUL in Culpeper VA and while the format is a bit too HNC for me, it does pay about 30% better and I will have a bit of room to play with the music to bring some of the disaffected country listeners (read 35+) back into the fold. The best part is I get to go head to head with the jerk that fired me and since I built the jerk's station up, I'll take great pleasure in dismantling it 1 listener at a time. Thanks for all your support P2! np: Ricky Skaggs "Ancient Tones", real damn good NOW ONLINE, www.TwangCast.com TM RealCountry netcast 24 X 7 Please Visit Then let us know what you think! Good Luck, Mike. How is this going to affect TwangCast? Joe
3-sided albums
I'm way late in responding... I could NEVER get the individual messages and can't even say I keep up with digests. But bear with me. From the 15th... Jerry Curry wonders aboot blank vinyl sides. Joe Jackson's Big World is the only 3-sided album I recall. -- "an album and a half!" the sticker says. And a NYC punk-bar band called Angry Joey the Worms (I think) "released an album and ahalf of material," according to a Simon adn teh Bar Sinisters press bio. And the Essential Jimi Hendrix Vol. 2 LP came with a one-sided single of "Gloria" ... I remember those record changers. Sheesh. Destructive mothers. (At least I knew why 13 and 24 were paired.) I'm finding I have to be as ginger-fingered with my CDs as I ever was with vinyl. a skip on an album is far less annoying than a skip on a CD. Dan NP: Kelly Willis What I Deserve
Twangzine? (was: Re: Blastered comp)
someone going by the name J*ff W*ll wrote: Sure, there's a f*cking review on the f*cking Twangzine if you people would ever bother to read the f*cking thing. g I'm not too sure I know what you're talking about... twangzine? what's that? maybe someone could enlighten me on that too? and where'd I park the car? Paul np: The Adults - Action Street (this would be the Austin, TX band, not the Cleveland, OH one)
NYC-LOCAL 1-22-99
Hey New Yorkers, and those in nearby environs, Ruthie the Wranglers are comin' to town: Friday, Jan. 22, 1999: RODEO BAR 375 3rd Avenue New York, NY (212) 683-6500 10 pm ...their new album, "Life's Savings," just hit #20 on the Gavin Americana chart! http://www.ruthieandthewranglers.com Thanks for reading, Ted Ted Smouse Smouse Productions Rockville, Maryland [EMAIL PROTECTED] *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*
Musician question; Risk of Electrocution???
hey kids; So, I'm just getting around to reading my months-old copy of the Oxford American music issue, and inside it is a just incredible essay about the electrocution and very near-death of a young musician. It's written by the guy's brother, and what's so fascinating about this is not only how close the guy comes to playing the great gig in the sky, but all the phrases and thoughts that come out of his mouth as he emerges from his coma and his brain literally begins to unscramble itself. So, having been to a lot of shows but never having been a musician (or an electrician g), what do you folks do-other than the basics (grounding circuits, using clean cords etc.)-to know that you're kosher when it comes to plugging in or touching a mic? It was apparently some sort of ungrounded mic that zapped the kid in the OA piece. I mean I've been to a couple of shows where I remember mics making all sorts of bizarre noises and pops, and the look on some of the musicians' faces was certainly less than...comforting. 210, 220, whatever it takes, Dan
Re: Chicago Content: Honky Tonk Living Room
These guys are absolutely great live. My band has played with them in various spots at various times all over the country, most recently this past weekend in Little Rock and although my opinion of them might be clouded by how good of friends they've become, I honestly recomend them. And yes, their version of Moonshiner is a super good'un. -B -Original Message- From: stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: passenger side [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Chicago Content: Honky Tonk Living Room Kelly Kessler wrote: This Thursday, Jan. 21, starting at 9 P.M. we've got our most ambitious Honky Tonk Living Room to date: . Say Zuzu (o.k., they're from New Hampshire, but they're good!), I heard a cut of this band (I think, i wasn't sure of the name) on my local Americana station. It was some UT or Son Volt Song. Moonshiner maybe? Geez I'm gettin old. Cant remember a thing. Anyway what I heard, I liked alot. Very SonVoltish. Is this the same band? Stuart np Essential Ray Price its got a good beat and you can dance to it
Re: Clip: Radney Foster shelved
Shane wrote: Foster's latest deserves to be seen and heard I haven´t heard the new Radney Foster CD, and now it seems that I might never get to do it. I get so mad when things like this happens time after time. A major label record an album, and then they never bother to release it. It happened twice in a couple of years for Radney´s old Foster Lloyd partner, Bill Lloyd, when first RCA decided not to release the Sky Kings CD. Then they recorded a new one for Warner, but it was to no use ´cause Warner dropped them as well before the CD saw the light of day. Jerker Sound Asleep Sweden np.Beaver Nelson-The Last Hurrah (really dig this one)
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Whoa Oh yeah i like the beer and the whiskey If it's gone then so will my badass --Mat t Coko
Re: I GOT A DAY JOB!
Good Luck, Mike. How is this going to affect TwangCast? I laid it all out on the table at the first interview then again at yesterday's final interview to make sure it doesn't come up somewhere down the road. Since the format is basicaly non-competitive, the new boss simply said, "have a good time" and complimented me on my initiative and entrepreneurial spirit. TwangCast is now over 600 titles in the library with this weeks adds including the Deliberate Strangers, New Ricky Skaggs, Dick Curless, Flat Duo Jets, String Cheese Incident, "Cry Cry Cry", Steam Donkeys, Countypolitans, Walter Hyatt and a bunch more Buck Owens and Ray Price. Thanks for asking Mike NOW ONLINE, www.TwangCast.com TM RealCountry netcast 24 X 7 Please Visit Then let us know what you think! Mike Hays www.MikeHays.RealCountry.net For the best country artist web hosting, www.RealCountry.net
Re: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
I would just like to say that I do not understand what everybody has against line dancing. I think it's a lot of fun. Two-stepping, too. Brings back fond memories of a sawdust covered floor in a bitty roadhouse with a jukebox outside Pinetop, AZ, circa 1970. LR As I have said many times before, line-dancing is the dance of the devil. It's a mechanized, robotized, rote, brainless, unimaginative, zombie-istic, witchie, sinful, masturbatory tribute to 20th century industrial soullessness. Plus it's really difficult to feel anyone up while you're line-dancing! But I will agree about two-stepping and jitter-bugging and all that swing-type stuff, because, first, it's all the things that line-dancing isn't, and, second, it's a good way of avoiding getting drunk too quickly in a club. And, third, please don't take me too seriously. -- Terry Smith
Re: Americana discussion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rik makes a couple of points that really bug me: It's all relative and transitional at best because in 5-10 years these tunes we listen to now will be gathering dust in some used CD section of your local Media Play. Please tell me why this is a good thing. Rik, have you listened to country radio lately? Do you know the dreck that the "big boys" are foisting on the public? Can you honestly say that "these tunes we listen to now" aren't more interesting and just plain better than that fluff? Why shouldn't more people hear them, then? Remember there's always the delete key. g Jim, smilin' Looking over my play lists and what I also play at home, there is very little if anything 10 to 15 years old that came out of the "Trashville School of Music" that I still listen to. However, I stll regularly play off of the Uncle Tupelo releases, Blood Oranges, Rank File, Lone Justice, Robert Earl Keen, Rusty Wier, etc. The so called outlaw and alt-country stuff is still worth listening to. It doesn't date and it's not schlock. I would imagine some of this will still be wonderful long after Garth Brooks and his ilk have been forgotten. Iceman
de-lurking? (was: Re: Chicago Content: Honky Tonk Living Room)
Brent Best says: re: Say Zuzu-- These guys are absolutely great live. My band has played with them in various spots at various times all over the country, most recently this past weekend in Little Rock and although my opinion of them might be clouded by how good of friends they've become, I honestly recomend them. And yes, their version of Moonshiner is a super good'un. My apologies if you've been posting like crazy for months, and I just haven't noticed. Or perhaps you've been lurking for a while. But it's the first I've seen of it. Brent, welcome to P2! Ladies and gentlemen, Brent Best of Slobberbone (whose bass player told me a while back that there was a new computer in the household...I knew then that it was only a matter of time until one of them showed up here g). --Jamie S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wavetech.net/~swedberg http://www.usinternet.com/users/ndteegarden/bheaters
Re: Musician question; Risk of Electrocution???
Well, the first thing you DON'T do is imitate Keith Relf (singer for the Yardbirds, whom decided one day to play electric guitar while taking a bath). Many guitar amps (all amps SHOULD by law) have a ground switch, that helps curb the zap. Usually when musicians first go on stage, when they strap on their guitar and turn on the amp, they will approach the mic they will use and lightly/quickly touch it. If there is a shock, they'll flip the ground switch to the other position and check again (some of these switches even remove the ground completely). If that still doesn't eliminate the shock, then there is definitely something wrong in the electical wiring for the sound systen (either the PA or the venue), at which time the musician(s) need to decide if they want to continue. In some cases, the covering of the mic with a windscreen solves the problem, but many times, it's a matter of choosing to continue performing and keeping a distance from the mic, or not playing at all. Unfortunately, the wiring (especially if it is the problem with the PA or the venue) cannot be solved with a simple adapter or flick of a switch. Mitch Matthews Gravel Train/Sunken Road
Re: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
Terry A. Smith wrote: I would just like to say that I do not understand what everybody has against line dancing. I think it's a lot of fun. Dancing in part at least at its best involves flirting and enjoying your partners presence. It's a game and a wonderful suggestive game at that whether its slow dancing or flat out rock n soul. And that's impossible with line dancing. I've also said that it looks like the Richard Simmons show but the music is better on Richard's show. As an aside, I don't do the the Macarena either. If I'm on a dance floor and I'm gonna grab somebody's ass it sure as hell ain't gonna be my own. Iceman
Re: the point?
Babooski writes: What, do you think I was born yesterday? and the trademark holder doesn't take me too lightly either... in fact, I think the man does incredible work, and he has me right in his back pocket! "I am a foot soldier in the AMERICANA(TM) army" (to paraphrase a quote from an anonymous believer). The point was a simple one designed to enlighten in case the writer was unaware of the TM situation. As to who cares, probably the trademark holder, another warrior in the army of good music. I commend your fighting spirit! Mike NOW ONLINE, www.TwangCast.com TM RealCountry netcast 24 X 7 Please Visit Then let us know what you think! Mike Hays www.MikeHays.RealCountry.net For the best country artist web hosting, www.RealCountry.net
Re: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
At 08:18 AM 1/21/99 -0500, you wrote: I would just like to say that I do not understand what everybody has against line dancing. I think it's a lot of fun. Two-stepping, too. Brings back fond memories of a sawdust covered floor in a bitty roadhouse with a jukebox outside Pinetop, AZ, circa 1970. LR this is an old discussion, so I brought up my old answer. you've seen it before, but because I am holding the baby (baby says goo- i think that means hi) i will repost this. The truth about LineDancing There is a disease going around that is ruining America. Line-Dancing. You can't go into a Honky Tonk anywhere in this great land without being exposed to it's demonic lure. It's ruining marriages and stamping out the individualism that made our country great. Aids and Safe sex are responsible for line-dancing. People only dance for two reasons. Women dance for fun. They like to get on the dance floor and show off. But men dance for an entirely different reason. We dance to get laid. That's it. We would rather sit at the bar swapping lies, or prove our superior hand-eye coordination at the pool table. But the game of shooting pool is dominated by men. And most guys are more interested in spending quality time, that is time without their clothes on, with the female of the species. So we are forced to interact with them. The way to do this is by talking to them. Gone are the days when you could just whack them in the head with a club and drag them back to your cave. These days, this kind of behavior is frowned upon. And women will club your ass back now too. Nope. The way it's done these days is through the art of communication. Communication is a cruel trick imposed on us males by Nazi Feminists. Us men really aren't any good at it. But if you want that pretty little cave girl to come check out the paintings in your cave you are going to have to learn to communicate. And communication is hard to do at the bar. All the other cavemen there are trying to get underneath her animal skin robes as well. That's why they invented dancing. While dancing it is just you and her. A two step or a slow song is a perfect time for gazing into each others eyes and swapping lies back and forth. Now I'm not much of a dancer. Because of this I didn't get laid much either. So I had to figure out how to dance if I wanted to interact with someone less ugly than me. Slow dancing I had down cold. If you can hug, you can slow dance. Slow dancing is just a hug set to music. You might have to shuffle your feet a little bit, but even a completely uncoordinated drunken klutz can do it. Even a geek like me. But then I had to learn to Two-Step. This was a lot harder. You have to be able to count. I worked at this one for a while. (the counting) Then one night it was explained to me. A Two-Step is nothing more than a controlled stagger. Once I figured how how to Two-Step without causing anyone permanent injuries, I then had to learn how to dance and talk at the same time. This seemed about as simple as brain surgery. After a while I got better at it. I even started showering regularly and using toothpaste and deodorant. This really improved my Communication skills. I was able to spend Quality Time with several future young heartbreaking, home wrecking types. Then along came line-dancing. Line-dancing looks like a Broadway musical. Everything is so carefully choreographed. It looks to me like all line dancers should be wearing tights and a tutu. I don't look good in tights. I can't follow directions worth a damn. But women go for line-dancing. Because it looks pretty. It reminds me of Sumo Wrestling. You aren't close enough to your partner to be able to look into their eyes. You can't talk to them. Hell, line-dancing doesn't even require a partner. It has changed the art of dancing to the equivalent of a livestock show. You trot Ole Bessie out into the ring, circle her around a couple of times, The farmers are standing around talking and checking out Ole Bessie's teats. Then people start bidding. Whoever want's to spend the most on Ole Bessie takes her home. I ain't got a chance. My nights alone have increased dramatically. Give me one of those slow cheating songs where I can rest her large silicone enhanced breasts on top of my large fried chicken enhanced belly. Then I can lean over and whisper one of my world famous patented pickup lines in her ear. like "Them's nice jeans, I bet they'd look even better hanging over the back of my couch" or "Your prettier than a sheep with her back legs caught in a fence on a moonlite night" or my favorite "How would you like to come over and see the house that you are gonna take away in our nasty divorce". You can't break up a home with line-dancing. And it just ain't right to line-dance to cheatin, drinking, prison, or murdered girlfriend songs. You got to two-step or slow dance. That's why more lawyers listen to George Jones and Merle Haggard than Brooks and Dunn. Job Security. Jeff
Brent Say Zuzu
Brent Best says: re: Say Zuzu-- These guys are absolutely great live. My band has played with them in various spots at various times all over the country, most recently this past weekend in Little Rock and although my opinion of them might be clouded by how good of friends they've become, I honestly recomend them. And yes, their version of Moonshiner is a super good'un. You know, I was gonna say something about these guys after I saw them at the Star Bar in Atlanta and enjoyed them very much. Not bad for New Hampshirites.g Jon Byrd ps: thanks to all P2ers playing the Greta cd
RE: Americana guesswork
, why does anyone still *want* to be signed? Bob [Matt Benz] Cocaine, pills, good pot, port and brandy, Parties in Hollywood, Lear Jets Custom Coaches, Stadium shows, Getting to say "My good friend Elton John," Bimbos, Starlets Models!, That photo in Rolling Stone with a confused and bored looking Bob Dylan, Recording in Monseratt, Entire hotel floors at your disposal, trashing said hotel floors, Playboy Mansion, The room of guitars in a mansion of your own, fleet of cars outside, Managers, Lawyers, Roadies, Accountants, Dealers, Groupies, hangers-on, and Ron Wood, Cameo rolls in movies, Camero rolls down the hill, Your own record label, Producing the records of your fav ex-legends and obscure should be stars, Get to wear a suitcoat and tie with no shirt, Mob connections, blowing $500,000 in one weekend in Las Vegas, making it back the next week when Rod Stewart covers one of your oldies, People like Jeff Lynne pay attention when you throw a temper tantrum about the levels in your headphones, Making fun of David Geffen, Telling David Crosby to "shut the hell up, you whining walrus" backstage at the Grammies, while wearing a purple tux and your date's Lauren Hutton and you're bombed out of your gourd, Comeback album, Greatest Hits vol 2, with nary a hit on it, Ex-Wifes #3 and #4 still sleep with you, #1 writes a tell all book, #5 is 20 years younger than you, A Rock Opera, a "final" tour, oh wait, this isn't the 70's? Damn. Well, then, you're right, why do we want to get signed?
RE: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
The criticisms of line-dancing offered so far apply just about as well to square dancing and flat footin', neither of which typically involve grab-assin'; I guess that makes them evil and soulless. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
RE: Americana discussion
Geez, if you don't listen to any country music from 10 or 15 years ago, you're missing George Strait, Ricky Skaggs, Merle Haggard, Don Williams, Ricky Van Shelton, Conway Twitty, the Judds, John Anderson, Keith Whitley, Clint Black, Patty Loveless, Randy Travis, and a whole lot more. As far as the general Americana discussion goes, an issue that hasn't yet been addressed is this: what's going to happen when - ok, make that "if" - the core of mainstream country radio decides that its commercially viable path is to concentrate on retaining or winning back the core of the country music audience? If the format's defined only in contrast or opposition to the commercial mainstream, and the mainstream changes, where does that leave Americana? From my perspective, there's no inherent reason why a fair number of presently-excluded country artists like Heather Myles, or Dwight Yoakam, or Connie Smith, or a bunch of others who are charting or have charted on Americana couldn't be part of a more hardcore, yet still commercially viable country format that didn't include all, or very much at all of the rock-based stuff, and some good reasons (like musical similarity) why they could be. If that happens, what's the point of an Americana chart? Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Re: Clip: Radney Foster shelved
In a message dated 1/21/99 2:30:04 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It happened twice in a couple of years for Radney´s old Foster Lloyd partner, Bill Lloyd, when first RCA decided not to release the Sky Kings CD. Then they recorded a new one for Warner, but it was to no use ´cause Warner dropped them as well before the CD saw the light of day. I waited for that Sky kings CD as well. There was a band of songwriters who released an albumunder the name "Billy Hill", which was a great. They supposedly recorded a second album which was never released. I have a couple of promo CD singles that were from that disc, and they were really good songs as well. Matraca Berg recorded an album for RCA called "Bittersweet Surrender", which they never released. I got a cassete copy of it, and while it was not as good as "Lying To The Moon", it was better than a lot of stuff that was released. Major labels. Sheesh. Slim - off to the thorazine mines!
Re: old people's music
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Chris Orlet wrote: Mention country or alt.country and they look at me like I just fell off the turnip truck. My favorite dumb reaction: "You're in a country band? Do you wear chaps?" -- Mike Woods
RE: Americana guesswork
And who wants to be signed now that you can buy your own CD burner and laser printer and print up CDs as you need them, at the rate you need them, etc? I was talking recently to someone who has an indie album that's sold several thousand and a self-release that's only sold about 1,000. Apparently this person is already in the black on the self-release, whereas the indie still claims it hasn't recouped on sales 5 or 6 times that high And so on. Who needs 'em --junior
Re: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
In a message dated 1/21/99 8:04:34 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The criticisms of line-dancing offered so far apply just about as well to square dancing and flat footin', neither of which typically involve grab-assin'; I guess that makes them evil and soulless. No, they don't. You obviously never had to square dance on rainy days in elementary school, when some evil gym teacher forced you to (ACK!) hold hands with a girl. Too bad we didn't know then what we know now (see Jeff Wall's dissertation on dancing). I bet Jesco White gets laid. Imagine what kind of groupies he has. Slim
Re: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
Jon Weisberger wrote: The criticisms of line-dancing offered so far apply just about as well to square dancing and flat footin', neither of which typically involve grab-assin' . . . which reminds me of the most serious grab-assin' I've ever seen at any gig. It was during a local country band's last song, which happened to be "God Bless America." Boy, talk about your make-out tunes! Tom Smith
RE: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
I missed this one, but Jon, line dancing is about as far from square dancing (not talking modern western stuff here) and flat footin' as you can get. Jim N. "Jon Weisberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/21 8:03 AM The criticisms of line-dancing offered so far apply just about as well to square dancing and flat footin', neither of which typically involve grab-assin'; I guess that makes them evil and soulless. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
see ya
well, Signing off, thanks for watching/listening. Make sure you stand and remove your hats for the National Anthem. I'm moving, and it's time to box up the computer. BTW, if you ain't busy this weekend, or if you have a truck, I could use your help. Call me, or page me at 525-2207 Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 727 Alder Circle - Va Beach, Va - 23462 -(757) 467-3764
No Subject
Dear Joyce: Elena Skye forwarded you info to me. What genre is Mike Ireland in and then perhaps I can direct you to some gigs in England. Regards, Dianna Griffin Island Heart Artist Mgt. New York, NY USA Tel: 212-714-3815
Re: pppphhhhhh
Matt Cook=the dumbest person in the world --Matt Cook
Re: Americana guesswork
Junior writes: Apparently this person is already in the black on the self-release, whereas the indie still claims it hasn't recouped on sales 5 or 6 times that high And that's an indie. The break-even point at a major would probably be another five or six times higher than *that*, if not higher. --Jon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollaston, Massachusetts
A credo
Thought' I'd share the UK-market sticker attached to an old LP I have of Elvis Costello the Attractions' "Almost Blue": "WARNING! This album contains country and western music may produce radical reaction in narrow minded people" words to live by. Dan NP: Jennyanykind
Re: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
At 08:55 AM 1/21/99 -0500, you wrote: this is an old discussion, so I brought up my old answer. you've seen it before, but because I am holding the baby (baby says goo- i think that means hi) i will repost this. Sorry Jeff, joking or not, you are just wrong about this. Reading all these anti-line dance rants reminds me of our parents (or grandparents, for some of you) who claimed that rock music was the devil's music. You're sounding like a bunch of narrow-minded fuddy-duddies... Republican, even. There are many forms of dance, and only a few of them involve cuddling with your partner or flirting. Those who define dance as only being those dance forms that require a partner have a very limited (and ignorant) view of dancing. Line dancing is similar to Broadway choreography, but whether or not you dance on Broadway has no bearing on the goodness or "badness" of line dance. It's also similar to ethnic folk dance. I suppose you think that those guys dancing in "Fiddler on the Roof" aren't really dancing?! If you don't see any individual expression/interpretation in line dancing then you need to get out more, or else need to start paying more attention. I'm sure there are some clubs where the dancers perform like robots. But most dancers who have progressed beyond beginner's level tend to dance with "character." The truth about LineDancing ...Is that it became very popular with people who got tired of waiting for partners to ask them to dance. (What a bunch of lamers, those "cowboys" bellied up to the bar!) Lianne
Re: Chris Knight, anyone?
Anyone know what Chris Knight is up to? it seems a while since his debut appeared. I trust he hasnt been dropped by his label or anything evil like that any news, on or off list, appreciated thanks Stevie np Chris Knight, Mountain stage 12/7/98
RE: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
Well, Lianne's already said some of what I was going to say, but... I missed this one, but Jon, line dancing is about as far from square dancing (not talking modern western stuff here) and flat footin' as you can get. I didn't say they were the same, I said the criticisms of line-dancing apply about as well to those forms. They're not couples holding each other close, and square dancing is so regimented it has a dictator screaming out orders g. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
RE: Americana discussion
Re: Chris Knight, anyone?
In a message dated 1/21/99 10:25:00 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone know what Chris Knight is up to? it seems a while since his debut appeared. I trust he hasnt been dropped by his label or anything evil like that He is playing a solo gig at the Star Bar in Atlanta on Jan. 28. I would assume he is working on a new album. slim
Re: Line-d@#*@
At 09:55 AM 1/21/99 -0800, Lianne wrote: But it's also true that men have a hard time learning to dance. And not only do they have to learn how to coordinate their own movements, but then they have to "steer" (lead) the woman, too, and coordinate all her "tricks" (turns) to the right beat. It is a pretty complex maneuver. For some reason learning to dance comes fairly easily to most women. Er, uh, I can attest to that. I went to a cajun dance a couple of weeks ago and have never been so awkward at anything in my life. I kept thinking to myself "how the hell do I manage to play rhythm guitar in a band?" Cheryl picked it up in about 30 seconds. -John
Re: Line Dancing
In a message dated 1/21/99 11:49:50 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The strangest line dancing scene I ever saw was when I did an overseas tour. In Japan, everyone line dances, and it was a trip to see all that going on while I was playing. I got you all beat. The Convicts played two shows one summer at different nudist camps. You ain't seen nothing till you've seen a 70 year old Granny line dancing in nothing but her white fringe cowboy boots. Just A'Swingin' Slim - no, I did not get nekkid
Re: Line Dancing
. nudist camps. You ain't seen nothing till you've seen a 70 year old Granny line dancing in nothing but her white fringe cowboy boots. .owwwheee. Now *that's* Country!
The Booty Call (was Re: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@)
Great article in the Washington Post day befor yeaterday about the Booty Call, a new kinda line dance popular with the Black Community. Don't have the URL, but a search through http://www.washingtonpost.com/ should turn it up. I was struck by how folks who dig the Booty Call don't seem to take it quite as seriously as do country line dancers or anti-line dancers. -- Geff King * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www2.ari.net/gking/ "Don't let me catch you laughin' when the jukebox cries" - K. Friedman, "Sold American"
Re: Line-d@#*@
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, John confessed: Er, uh, I can attest to that. I went to a cajun dance a couple of weeks ago and have never been so awkward at anything in my life. I kept thinking to myself "how the hell do I manage to play rhythm guitar in a band?" Cheryl picked it up in about 30 seconds. I had relatively little trouble picking up Cajun dancing a few years ago, though I got as good as I was ever going to get pretty quickly. (Which wasn't bad, but wasn't good enough to keep me going, either.) I did have trouble, however, when I tried to learn swing dancing some time later; the upper body movements are much the same, but the lower body movements are very different, and I kept slipping back into the old movements. My three rules of Cajun dancing: keep bouncing; don't hold on too tightly; and do what the person next to you is doing, but try not to look like you're just copying. Bob
Clip: The Booty Call (Thanks to Geff King)
http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-01/19/029l-011999-idx.html The Stampede After the Booty Call Washington's Latest Line Dance Craze Is Gaining From Behind By Sarah Kaufman Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, January 19, 1999; Page C01 Can the ladies make a booty call? Yes they do! Do they ever. Things are moving along steadily at the Masonic Temple at 10th and U streets NW, where on a recent Saturday night middle-aged African American couples dressed in their best have been drifting in since about 10 o'clock. Stationed at one end of the dance floor in the big balloon-festooned hall, Disco Bird (a k a Warren Washington) has been getting them moving to the smooth sounds of Gladys Knight and Smokey Robinson. Close to midnight, however, he slips in his "Booty Call" CD, and the floor is suddenly thick with bodies moving in unison. The Booty Call is a frankly suggestive line dance that has kicked the Macarena squarely in the behind. Instead of the coy arm and wrist positions of that short-lived Latin-inspired dance, the Booty Call focuses on what's below the waist. It starts with a walk, has steps going forward and back, and some crisscrossing of the feet, but really, the secret of the Booty Call is in the booty -- the butt, the hips -- and how much shake you can give them. And at this well-attended party sponsored by the Charles Datcher Lodge No. 15, there's no stopping the shaking. The floor is choked with people in their forties and fifties bumping and grinding within inches of one another, in time with the insistent, raspy thump of the music. Young women in micro-minis or snug slacks and slashing necklines have popped up out of nowhere to ring the edges, where they have the most room for their gyrations. Booty booty booty call! "They won't stop," marvels Bird, who has played through his longest remix of the song and the instrumental version and has plugged in another beat, but still the floor throbs with folks moving through the Booty Call steps. "They'll just keep on doing the Booty Call no matter what I put on." Why? You need to ask? "The shake," says Kathy McCall of Northeast Washington, laughing with cherry-red fingernails held to her lips. "That's definitely what I like." McCall is a grandmother of four. That she is sharing the dance floor with twenty- and thirty-somethings in a dance of amorous abandon set to a driving '90s beat is the mystery and the miracle of the Booty Call. Like the Electric Slide before it, the Booty Call is firmly rooted in the black community, though it's slowly crossing over. It made its first appearance in local nightclubs about a year ago and was picked up by the more mature "oldies but goodies" crowd, who tend to favor line dances. Such dances are more structured than freestyle dancing but, unlike hand dancing or swing, they don't require a partner. The Booty Call's popularity is spotty but growing. It brings patrons to their feet at upscale establishments like the Coach and Four at 14th and U streets NW -- though just down U Street at Republic Gardens it's completely unknown. The Chateau, which caters to an over-30 crowd on Benning Road NE, gets jumping nightly with the Booty Call, as does the Eclipse on Bladensburg Road NE. Not to be outdone, suburban clubs have their own devotees: Tradewinds and Classics, both on Allentown Road in Camp Springs, Md., report that their deejays play the Booty Call several times a night. The dance had folks shaking at Christmas parties, is all the rage at weddings and reunions, and heats up private parties like the one held by the Masons. The song itself is out on a CD single from So Real Productions and gets heavy requests at local record shops like Roadhouse Oldies in Silver Spring. It is perhaps the first instance of grandparents passing a hot new trend down to their hip grandkids. "The senior citizen community had the dance first," says Scooter Magruder, who manages Roadhouse Oldies. "It's big on the hand-dance scene, where you might have 80 women show up and only 30 guys. Those women have to wait a long time for the guys to get around to them. You put on the Booty Call and they're all dancing." Just what is a "booty call"? You're lonely. You're, shall we say, romantically inclined. You're thinking of that special someone; you pick up the phone and make . . . a booty call. (Is the implication lost on the older set? Don't bet on it.) As with most trends, the origins of the Booty Call are murky. The term itself got a boost two years ago from a movie of the same name. As for the dance, general consensus says it came to the area by way of Baltimore. Folks up there were doing the dance a few years back to two different songs released on 12-inch recordings to deejay pools. By the time local deejays got wind of the dance -- this happened two or three years after the recordings' original release, an eternity in the music business -- the songs were
Re: Line Dancing
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could dance, but I was just not born with dance DNA. I can't swang unless I am behind a guitar, and even then I probably look like a dork. Nancy, that's OK: http://www.scripting.com/davenet/98/05/heyPockyWay.html Among other tips, Dave reminds his readers, "Don't forget to breathe." It may be one of the scariest things I've ever read. And it certainly reinforces the maxim, "Write what you know." Bob
St. Louis area show
St. Louis' "Best Country Band" (!?), Belle Starr, will headline a benefit show this Sat. Jan. 23 at the terrific Off Broadway club. All money goes towards community radio station KDHX and their ongoing drive to purchase a new transmittor (the old one is just about kaput). Since there are approximately 135,402 other shows and concerts that night in fair St. Lou, I'm making this special little announcement to the list. It would be a drag to hand KDHX fourteen bucks and some change at the end of the night g. Show starts 9PMish. Tom Wood opens. Kip
Re: Line-d@#*@
Yeah, I remember back in my single days, being at a club and getting the urge to dance, strolling up to a table of gals, and going around the whole damn table, asking every single one to dance. "No." "No." "No." "No." "No." "No." And then crawling into my own asshole for the rest of the evening. Naw, I was usually loaded enough I didn't give a damn, which explains why I was masochistic enough to keep asking. Then there's the women that assume you're hitting on them, when, by golly, you just want to dance. There was one like that in a small club in New Meadows, Idaho, around 82, I asked her to dance, she looked at me like I was a cockroach and said no. So I found someone else, we danced our asses off, and gal No. 1 sheepishly approaches me, and asks ME to dance. Then, of course, I went and tried to hit on her. My one big regret: Never learning how to polka dance very well. Now, that's dancin'. -- Terry Smith
Origins of line dancing
If anyone has seen the Laurel and Hardy movie "Way Out West" you will see what is conceivably the world's first line dance(1937). Stan and Ollie are about to go into a saloon and are distracted by a cowboy group on the steps and perform a 2-3 minute "linedance". Minutes later they perform one of the all time great movie songs, "On the Trail of the Lonesome Pine". Any suggestions as to other origins of the species are simply not true! And if you check the Guinness Book of Records you will find that Australia holds the record with some 5.5 thousand lined up to the extended version of "Boot Scootin' Boogie". Now...a mack truck travelling at 100 kph (60 mph) could do a hefty deal of damage.. ~
L.A. Show Friday
Hey you guys! Great show in Los Angeles tomorrow night (Friday, 1/22). James Intveld and Red Meat will play Jack's Sugar Shack in Hollywood, with the incomparable Ronnie Mack starting things off at 9:30. Red Meat goes on at about 10:15... Come on by and make some noise my friends! Owen Bly Ranchero Records Oakland, CA
Calling Owen Bly!
Owen, can you shoot me a message offlist? Just tried to write you and the address didn't work for me Thanks, apologies for list post, etc., --junior [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Calling Owen Bly!
Owen, tried to forward you the info you requested but it bounced back. At any rate, here's Pat Hagin's phone number: 314-963-1015. E-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry for the personal (and rather dull) content of this post, y'all. Kip
Re: Line Dancing
In a message dated 1/21/99 1:25:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I got you all beat. The Convicts played two shows one summer at different nudist camps. You ain't seen nothing till you've seen a 70 year old Granny line dancing in nothing but her white fringe cowboy boots. You guys played B.A.R.E. Acres? I wonder if they're still booking. Hmm -- well, maybe when the weather warms up. DEb
Re: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
Jeff Wall on line dancing -- Have you ever considered writing some of those male/female communication books like "Women are from Venus and Men are from Mars" -- I think you might be able to do a good job and make a shitload of money selling them to the redneck market g Deb Laughing her butt off
A Tribute to Ray Mason
For those of you who don't know Ray Mason, feel free to skip this. For those
of you do, and you know Ray, and know what kind of guy Ray is, and know his
music with the Ray Mason Band and The Lonesome Brothers, we're happy to
announce that we ("we" being Tar Hut) are proud to announce the release of
the Ray Mason Tribute album, called "It's Heartbreak That Sells." That was a
run-on sentence. It'll be released on April 20 in all record stores.
Here's the track listing:
Eric Ambel - "It's Heartbreak That Sells"
Cheri Knight - "Down in the Night"
The Ass Ponys - "Missyouville"
Angry Johnny - "All I Want is A Little Revenge"
King Radio - "Step Back Melody"
Steve Westfield The Slow Band - "I'm Only Human"
The Incredible Casuals - "Between Blue Okay"
The Bamboo Steamers - "If There's Ever A Way"
Gutterbirds (featruing Jim Armenti) - "Mr. Albert"
Jim Weeks - "From You To Me"
help needed
Hello my p2 friends, Due to unforeseen circumstances, I could use the help of an internet savvy person willing and able to administrate/take over the listservs I currently handle. Ideally someone with university access to free servers. The lists in question are p2ontour, p2ontour-digest and yes, even the twangfest "aka the fluff channel" mailing list. Administratively they aren't that hard to deal with if you've dealt with majordomo before and I'd be happy to spend the time to make sure they can be transferred seamlessly without interruption to the subscribers at large. Please reply off-list if you can offer help to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Stacey
Re: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
At 03:24 PM 1/21/99 EST, you wrote: Jeff Wall on line dancing -- Have you ever considered writing some of those male/female communication books like "Women are from Venus and Men are from Mars" -- I think you might be able to do a good job and make a shitload of money selling them to the redneck market g I been working on one. I'm trying to decide on the title now... I'm from Earth, Where the fuck are you from? Men are from Mars, Ex-Wives are from Uranus. I'm Ok, but you need professional help. Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 727 Alder Circle - Va Beach, Va - 23462 -(757) 467-3764
James Hand (was Re: Chuck E. Weiss other cool new shit)
Mike Hays wrote: James Hand's Shadows Where The Magic Was (100% hard country -- could be better I thought I had made arrangements to get a copy of that one but so far no dice, and now I can't find the contact info. Can someone help? Or are any of our friendly P2 merchants offering this? I've been interested in hearing it ever since that little piece ran in ND awhile back. I remember Slim co-signing on this, now Don. inquiring minds... b.s.
Re: Line Dancing
In a message dated 1/21/99 2:27:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I got you all beat. The Convicts played two shows one summer at different nudist camps. You ain't seen nothing till you've seen a 70 year old Granny line dancing in nothing but her white fringe cowboy boots. You guys played B.A.R.E. Acres? I wonder if they're still booking. Hmm -- well, maybe when the weather warms up. One of the shows was at BARE. It was way fun - $100, a case of PBR, and all the ugly naked people we wanted to look at. Don't know how to get booked there, though. It was arranged through a former member of the band. Slim
Re: Chuck E. Weiss other cool new shit
In a message dated 1/21/99 4:05:46 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Hand's Shadows Where The Magic Was (100% hard country -- could be better produced, but shows lotsa potential), I spoke to Dave Biller a week ago, and he is producing Hand's new album. That should solve the problem. Don't know if it's on a label, but I bet it will be a goodie. slim
Re: Chuck E. Weiss other cool new shit
In a message dated 1/21/99 5:27:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Hand's Shadows Where The Magic Was (100% hard country -- could be better I thought I had made arrangements to get a copy of that one but so far no dice, and now I can't find the contact info. Can someone help? Try (Ranger) Bob Ritchey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] James Hand is a strange fellow, but very nice and a hell of a singer/songwriter. Slim
Re: Naked granny
In a message dated 1/21/99 6:25:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You ain't seen nothing till you've seen a 70 year old Granny line dancing in nothing but her white fringe cowboy boots Thank you, I just lost my TV dinner, and it was one of the $2 kind that had a cobbler like substance.
Re: Jim Lauderdale and Ralph Stanley
Howdy, Hopelessly behind in reading P2 posts. Y'all got verbal in the last few days, didn't you? Who was it recently lamenting the relative quiet of the list, with the birth of the fluff channel? g Anyway, my original point here was to say that this little nugget of information from Elena caught my eye: A friend of mine is going down to Bristol, TN today to take pictures of Jim Lauderdale and Ralph Stanley, apparently they're down there recording a record together. Should be pretty cool. Which would explain Jim's surprise appearance on stage Saturday night with Ralph Stanley at the Tennessee Theater in Knoxville. They sang "I'll Lead You Home," from Whisper and another tune, I believe. Take care, Shane Rhyne Knoxville, TN [EMAIL PROTECTED] NP: Hillbilly Idol, Town and Country
Americana discussion
On 21 Jan 99 at 6:15, \ wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:15:57 -0800 Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "\"Doug Young aka \\\"The Iceman\\\"\"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:"passenger side" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Americana discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rik makes a couple of points that really bug me: It's all relative and transitional at best because in 5-10 years these tunes we listen to now will be gathering dust in some used CD section of your local Media Play. Please tell me why this is a good thing. Rik, have you listened to country radio lately? Do you know the dreck that the "big boys" are foisting on the public? Can you honestly say that "these tunes we listen to now" aren't more interesting and just plain better than that fluff? Why shouldn't more people hear them, then? Remember there's always the delete key. g Jim, smilin' Jim, Thanks for the response and no, I don't listen to top 40 country radio and haven't in 4 years. It sounded all alike back then and when I quickly spin by cmt/gac/ I cringe and move on as in addition to still sounding alike they all look alike. Regardless of what we listen to, the lollipop country or the quality stuff that falls under the broad Americana spectrum, it all ends up in the cutout bins(no sales) or used bins. The good thing is that the knowledge gained now will serve all of us who are paying attention to the quality of non-mainstream music currently being made and when we go shopping for music we will know the difference between Robbie Fulks/Mike Ireland/Red Meat and the Garth/David Kersch/Bryan White ilk. Also, the titles noted in the post below I have found used or in closeout. I seek Timeless music. It has to sound good today and sound good 10 years from now. That is the true definition of this americana stuff. I also need info on these artists so whatever you can do to add to mine everyones knowledge base will be greatly appreciated. Also working 30 hours a week in an independant music store building up a non-existant Americana section, offering No Depression and the underrated but extremely invaluable Blue Suede News, while also overseeing the lollipop country section, I certainly do know of the stuff being shoved down Americas throats by the big boys and being called country. Enjoyed your response rik Looking over my play lists and what I also play at home, there is very little if anything 10 to 15 years old that came out of the "Trashville School of Music" that I still listen to. However, I stll regularly play off of the Uncle Tupelo releases, Blood Oranges, Rank File, Lone Justice, Robert Earl Keen, Rusty Wier, etc. The so called outlaw and alt-country stuff is still worth listening to. It doesn't date and it's not schlock. I would imagine some of this will still be wonderful long after Garth Brooks and his ilk have been forgotten. Iceman
Re: Line Dancing
In a message dated 1/21/99 7:00:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the shows was at BARE. It was way fun - $100, a case of PBR, and all the ugly naked people we wanted to look at. One of my friend's bands played there a couple of years ago and I totally forgot about the place.
Re: Americana guesswork/line-d@#*@
Lianne McNeil wrote: .Sorry Jeff, joking or not, you are just wrong about this. Reading all these anti-line dance rants reminds me of our parents (or grandparents, for some of you) who claimed that rock music was the devil's music. Well, yah. And they were RIGHT! You're sounding like a bunch of narrow-minded fuddy-duddies... well maybe fuddy duddy. Is that so wrong?! Republican, even. Whoa! That's over the line! Although I would now like to take a lot unrelated incidents and weave a complex theory of the line dance conspiracy foisted on an asleep public (WAKE UP, AMERICA!), and why it must be impeached. There are many forms of dance, and only a few of them involve cuddling with your partner or flirting. Those who define dance as only being those dance forms that require a partner have a very limited (and ignorant) view of dancing. Line dancing is similar to Broadway choreography, but whether or not you dance on Broadway has no bearing on the goodness or "badness" of line dance. It's also similar to ethnic folk dance. I suppose you think that those guys dancing in "Fiddler on the Roof" aren't really dancing?! Yes it is similar to ethnic folk dance. In fact it *is* ethnic f*lk dance. And to avoid irritating Jon W., I'll refrain from describing some of the other mores of this particular ethnicity. If you don't see any individual expression/interpretation in line dancing then you need to get out more, or else need to start paying more attention. I'm sure there are some clubs where the dancers perform like robots. But most dancers who have progressed beyond beginner's level tend to dance with "character." This is true, although its pale pale pale (in the polyvalent sense) compared to a bunch a lit up oldsters doin a polka. No matter how advanced they become, the mechanisms still remind of something more appropriate for half-time at the big game vs. State U. The truth about LineDancing ...Is that it became very popular with people who got tired of waiting for partners to ask them to dance. (What a bunch of lamers, those "cowboys" bellied up to the bar!) Now this is true! And it's the real culprit. Stuart remembering being the only--ONLY!--person (except for Nina) dancing in a roomful of hipsters and college students at a Derailers show.
Re: Line-d@#*@
Lianne McNeil wrote: .
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men have a hard time learning to dance. And not only do they have to
learn how to coordinate their own movements, but then they have to
"steer" (lead) the woman, too, and coordinate all her "tricks" (turns)
to the right beat. It is a pretty complex maneuver. For some reason
learning to dance comes fairly easily to most women. So I suppose,
ideally, it would work better if the roles were reversed, and the woman leads. But
that's not how it's done in couple dance. So my
interpretation of the situation is that a lot of guys give up, rather
than look a fool on the dance floor. And the women get tired of sitting around.
Interesting theorizing here Lianne. Although I think we have to unpack the
essentializing about men innately having two left feet and
women being genetically predisposed to grace and elegance on the dance floor. In fact
these are socially constructed behaviors and are
first implanted during one ot the more traumatic stages of life: junior high school.
(Although many childern--boys especially--suffered
square-dance syndrome while in elementary school) In this period of the first budding
of noticing that just maybe the other sex doesn't
in fact have cooties, tremendous psychic conflict ensues. Girls,
perceiving--correctly-- that boys their own age are still dorks,
retreat to their bedrooms en masse and exchange secret information on how to dance
that they have gleaned from older sisters, or
watching American Bandstand. They take on both roles, in a kind of transgendered
ambidextrousness. This sort of behavior eventually
leads to women wearning pants to school (and oh yes, you youngsters out there, there
was time not so long ago when this was verboten).
Conversely, during this period, boys spend much time playing games or sports, punching
each other in the arm, and ridiculing each other
when one strays from the pack and actually tries to dance, a skill of course that they
have not learned, both because it would interfere
with sports or watching the three stooges after school and because the slightest
movement in this direction would cause a tightening of
the circle as the transgressor would be charged with dorkery. In this liminal period
we see the patterns embedded within a milieu of
shifting and uncertain social roles (girls *know* how to lead, but can't, because that
would upset the proper heirarchy of gender roles
and might lead to girls wearing pants to school and piercing their nose) {for this
insight, I'm indebted to Hyde and Starr, 1998} None
of this, it might be added, can lead to boys wearing dresses to school, although the
secret knowledge of girls "lead"-ership skills
causes them to have horrifying nightmares of appearning in school in just such garb,
if any garb at all! The rest of this dismal story
is well known, of course, and needs no elucidation here, except to note that (cf
L.McNeil, 1999) line dancing is clearly the result.
That, and UHI's leaning on the bar or in the back.
One thing I admire about the teenagers of today is that dancing seems
to be an "in" thing with them. Just a few years ago the dance classes
my husband and I attended would be mostly people around 40-ish. Now most
of the class is teenagers and young 20's (though all ages are there).
The kids are growing up dancing. I like that! (These are ballroom
dance classes, not country.) Another thing I admire about the young
dancers is that they aren't so rigid in their dance roles. Sometimes
same gender partners will dance together in couple dances. And some of
them are trying to learn both the lead and the follow parts.
When my 16 yr old boy was at an urban camp this summer, a bunch of the boys decided to
go get some beer and drink. He decided to go to
the dance and dance. Girls were coming up to him and telling him how cool he was for
bucking the trend and dancing instead of
drinking. OH If I had only known then what I know now. Well, at least daddy dint
raise no fool
Stuart
who promised the missus he'd start on the taxes tonight
Re: Americana discussion
But how do you know that what sounds good today *is* gonna sound good ten years from now? Does this mean you sidestep everything that includes any sort of trendy touches, be they in instrumentation or production value? That would be a bummer. That, to me, eliminates some really great music. Like Beck and Nirvana, to name two. (Likely bad examples for this *country* discussion, but what the hell.) Maybe the two best, most important rock artists of the decade who owe plenty in sound to the decade. Does that mean they aren't great? I don't think so. I'm curious to know what you think about retro acts like Wayne Hancock and the Derailers. Do you like 'em? Would you call them timeless? Just jawin', Neal Weiss
Americana guesswork
Hm. OK, you performing types -- and I know there's a few on the list --knowing what we know about being signed, the infamous Steve Albini thingand Jimmie Dale Gilmore's debt to Elektra and all, why does anyone still*want* to be signed?Bob Q: Well, if you hate shovelling elephant shit so much, why don't you get another job? A: What, and give up SHOW BUSINESS??!! Buddy Pachyderm Pooh Rockets * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Buddy Woodward - [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE GHOST ROCKETS - Maximum Rhythm Bluegrass http://www.hudsonet.com/~undertow/ghostrockets* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Americana discussion
Is it really necessary to toss around all the expletives in these discussions. Your passion is understandable but isf*%$ this and that really required to make a point. I wouldargue that if kids are a focus to turn on to americana youmight not be the one to lead the way. FUCK, man, you're right. Shit, I'm fucking sorry, really I am. Fucky Fuck Rockets * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Buddy Woodward - [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE GHOST ROCKETS - Maximum Rhythm Bluegrass http://www.hudsonet.com/~undertow/ghostrockets* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: Americana guesswork
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Budrocket wrote: Q: Well, if you hate shovelling elephant shit so much, why don't you get another job? A: What, and give up SHOW BUSINESS??!! "Being a comedian is pretty rough, I haven't worked in three years!" "Why don't you quit the business?" "What? How would I make a living?" -- Mike Woods
Re: Americana discussion
On 21 Jan 99 at 21:39, Budrocket wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:39:40 -0500 Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Budrocket [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:"passenger side" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Americana discussion X-To: postcard2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it really necessary to toss around all the expletives in=20 these discussions. Your passion is understandable but is f*%$ this and that really required to make a point. I would argue that if kids are a focus to turn on to americana you might not be the one to lead the way.=20 FUCK, man, you're right. Shit, I'm fucking sorry, really I am. Fucky Fuck Rockets * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * = * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Buddy Woodward - [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE GHOST ROCKETS - "Maximum Rhythm Bluegrass" http://www.hudsonet.com/~undertow/ghostrockets * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * = * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *=20 I remember when I had my first beer. rik
Re: Americana discussion
On 21 Jan 99 at 20:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:16:30 EST Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:"passenger side" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Americana discussion But how do you know that what sounds good today *is* gonna sound good ten years from now? Does this mean you sidestep everything that includes any sort of trendy touches, be they in instrumentation or production value? That would be a bummer. That, to me, eliminates some really great music. Like Beck and Nirvana, to name two. (Likely bad examples for this *country* discussion, but what the hell.) Maybe the two best, most important rock artists of the decade who owe plenty in sound to the decade. Does that mean they aren't great? I don't think so. I'm curious to know what you think about retro acts like Wayne Hancock and the Derailers. Do you like 'em? Would you call them timeless? Just jawin', Neal Weiss Neal, Met Wayne at an appearance at a club in Rochester NY on June 11 1998. In a word the best 3 hour non stop show I ever saw. He just sang,no break, 3 song encore and Evan Johns was playing guitar with him on that tour. My brother and I got there early and introduced ourselves to him, chatted, and without a doubt one of the best performers and nicest guys around today. The club had a poster advertising his appearance and was able to procure 2 of them. All the members of the band signed and it is one of the neatest momentos of any event I have ever attended. Derailers without a doubt one of the best groups today. Can't wait to add their 4th release to my CD's. Do you know whats going on with them? Both display timeless quality in their music. Trends come and go but both these artists take distinct genres of music(Waynes affection for big band and Hank Williams) and the Derailers Bakersfield sounding style, put a 90's twist to them and introduce a whole new audience to the particular styles. Both keepers. I tend to gravitate against the trends of the times except that the swing thing got me. Nice to hear it all again but with a lot of fresh faces and varying styles. thanks for the insight, rik
Americana guesswork
And who wants to be signed now that you can buy your own CD burner and laser printer and print up CDs as you need them, at the rate you need them, etc?Danny Barnes is doing just this -- burning 100 copies of his new releasesand selling 'em for $25. They're selling out. But the problem here goesthe other way. If you're happy with 100 people hearing your latestrelease, that's fine, but a lot of bands (and fans) wouldn't be.Bob I suspect Danny Barnes ain't hurtin' too much financially these days, his profile being a little higher than the rest of us, having had releases on both Quarterstick and Sugar Hill...not to mention this other fun stuff: composed and performed the score for the 20th Century Fox film The Newton Boys, recorded with Bill Frisell the score for the HBO documentary American Hollow, played the banjo on the upcoming Disney children's CD, The Sounds of Springtime...etc. Oh yes, Danny is represented by the Davis McLarty Agency. Hell, he had to be able to afford that CD burner somehow... Buddy 1000 Copies For The Music Fans Rockets * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Buddy Woodward - [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE GHOST ROCKETS - Maximum Rhythm Bluegrass http://www.hudsonet.com/~undertow/ghostrockets* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: Americana discussion
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Neal Weiss [I think] wrote: I'm curious to know what you think about retro acts like Wayne Hancock and the Derailers. Do you like 'em? Would you call them timeless? There's a *really* good question: what's the difference between Retro and Timeless? -- Mike Woods
Re: A Tribute to Ray Mason
-Original Message- From: Tar Hut Records [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A Tribute to Ray Mason Here's the track listing: Jim Weeks - "From You To Me" Woo-e! Little Big Wheels front man releases a cover of a Ray song??? Can't wait Jeff - it looks like a must have. Stacey Hellcountry "supporting the Boston area twang scene" http://www.hellcountry.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
