Re(2): Fwd: HTML printing

[DDV]

Jérôme,


I'm printing directly from Powermail.


DDV


>
>>This is how French text looks in the html mail message and in plain
>>text: "je suis désolé, ça n'a pas marché avec la chambre à laquelle je
>>pensais".
>>
>>This is how the mail looks when printed and when viewed in web browser:
>>"je suis désolé, ça n'a pas marché avec la chambre à laquelle je
>>pensais".
>
>Are you printing directly from PowerMail, or from the web browser after
>using "view message in web browser"? In the later case, you may try to
>force the browser to interpret the file as UTF-8.
>
>
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>
>
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Re: Fwd: HTML printing

[PowerMail Engineering]

DDV wrote:

>This is how French text looks in the html mail message and in plain
>text: "je suis désolé, ça n'a pas marché avec la chambre à laquelle je
>pensais".
>
>This is how the mail looks when printed and when viewed in web browser:
>"je suis désolé, ça n'a pas marché avec la chambre à laquelle je
>pensais".

Are you printing directly from PowerMail, or from the web browser after using 
"view message in web browser"? In the later case, you may try to force the 
browser to interpret the file as UTF-8.


Jérôme - CTM Engineering


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Fwd: HTML printing

[DDV]

Hello,


I'm still trying to solve this problem.

This is how French text looks in the html mail message and in plain text: "je 
suis désolé, ça n'a pas marché avec la chambre à laquelle je pensais".

This is how the mail looks when printed and when viewed in web browser: "je 
suis désolé, ça n'a pas marché avec la chambre à laquelle je pensais".

I tried fiddling with the characters sets to no avail.

Powermail 6.2.1
OSX 10.10.3

Thanks for any help,


DDV


 Begin Forwarded Message 
Subject: HTML printing
Date Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:56 AM
From: DDV 
To: PowerMail Discussion List 


Hello,


Recently I'm having trouble to print HTML messages, french characters end up 
garbled.
é becomes é, ê becomes ê and so on. On screen it reads fine and when printing 
as plain text it reads fine as well.
Any suggestions to print HTML as it should?


DDV


- End Forwarded Message -

HTML printing

[DDV]

Hello,


Recently I'm having trouble to print HTML messages, french characters end up 
garbled.
é becomes é, ê becomes ê and so on. On screen it reads fine and when printing 
as plain text it reads fine as well.
Any suggestions to print HTML as it should?


DDV




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Fwd: Re(2): Copying HTML text

[Winston Weinmann]

Jérôme -

Thanks for responding. I'd posted this question after not being able to use 
shift-click on a message.

While I can wish people would follow email standards and include a proper text 
version, evidence is that this will be less and less common. I hope a fix will 
turn up.

- Winston Weinmann

PowerMail Engineering wrote:

>Winston Weinmann wrote:
>
>>Increasingly I get HTML formatted emails that do not have a text
>>version. It is very difficult to copy text from an HTML email in PowerMail.
>
>Yes, this is a hard to fix bug related to the use of WebKit in a Carbon
>PowerPlant application. It is usually possible to double-click on the
>first word to select, then shift-click on the last one. When this does
>not work, view the message in your web browser.
>
>
>Jérôme - CTM Engineering
>
>
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>Foxtrot Search, get FoxTrot Attaché. If you don't use Foxtrot Search
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>
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Re: Copying HTML text

[PowerMail Engineering]

Winston Weinmann wrote:

>Increasingly I get HTML formatted emails that do not have a text
>version. It is very difficult to copy text from an HTML email in PowerMail.

Yes, this is a hard to fix bug related to the use of WebKit in a Carbon 
PowerPlant application. It is usually possible to double-click on the first 
word to select, then shift-click on the last one. When this does not work, view 
the message in your web browser.


Jérôme - CTM Engineering


-
   "The searching is fairly flexible on iOS and the speed is blinding.
I mean instant, like you've got a Mac Pro doing it. If you use
Foxtrot Search, get FoxTrot Attaché. If you don't use Foxtrot Search
and you have a lot of files to search, check it out."
  FoxTrot Attaché Search user comment on iTunes Store UK

 Download a demo version from www.foxtrot.ch
-

Copying HTML text

[Winston Weinmann]

Increasingly I get HTML formatted emails that do not have a text version. It is 
very difficult to copy text from an HTML email in PowerMail.

The normal click, hold, and drag the cursor does not work to select HTML text. 
I can usually double-click and select one word, or triple-click and select a 
line. Very occasionally I seem to be able to select a paragraph. This makes it 
very hard to copy info from an HTML message.

My workaround is to open the email in my web browser, which then always lets me 
select text as I want, but this is not very user friendly.

Is there any better way to select HTML text in PowerMail?

Thanks.

- Winston Weinmann
PowerMail v.6.2 build 4666 on Mac OS 10.4.11, PowerPC

Script or filter for automatically deleting HTML attachment when forwarding?

[Jaede Miloslavich]

Need a script or filter instructions
I forward regularly to a group email in plain text. But if the original email 
came to me as HTML, then the HTML note is automatically attached to that note 
and I have to remember to delete it. Is there a script or filter for 
automatically deleting that HTML attachment when forwarding?

Thanks,

Jaede

Re: Re(2): HTML/RTF messages have odd characters - how to avoid?

[Ben Kennedy]

On 30 Nov 2011, at 2:24 pm, Winston Weinmann wrote:

>> If you view the full headers for one of the "garbled" examples sent back
>> to you by your correspondent, what mail client ("X-Mailer: ") and
>> text encoding ("Content-type: text/*; charset=") are used in his message?
> 
> Here's what the response had:
> 
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11
> 
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>   boundary="=_NextPart_000_003D_01CC8B3C.19364F30"

Hmm. That doesn't answer my question, because the "Content-type: text" header 
will be in one of the encapsulated MIME parts later in the message.  
Unfortunately, PowerMail decomposes multipart MIME messages for internal 
storage, so there's no way to reliably examine the raw message source any more. 
 (If you receive another such message in the future, you could examine it e.g. 
using Mail.app.)

(Pardon my delay following up here.  In any case, my original suspicion is that 
the recipient's client -- Outlook 11, I guess -- is mis-handling the message on 
receipt.  But I might be wrong.)

-b

--
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CTM support AWOL again: Re(3): HTML/RTF messages have odd characters - how to avoid?

[Winston Weinmann]

No support from CTM. This is incredibly frustrating.

In some cases it is extremely embarrassing to send out poorly formatted mail. 
Because I don't know what will show up when someone receives a message, 
effectively I can't use HTML mail. Why did CTM even bother to add the feature?

- Winston


Winston wrote:

>>If you view the full headers for one of the "garbled" examples sent back
>>to you by your correspondent, what mail client ("X-Mailer: ") and
>>text encoding ("Content-type: text/*; charset=") are used in his message?
>
>Here's what the response had:
>
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11
>
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>   boundary="=_NextPart_000_003D_01CC8B3C.19364F30"
>
>
>- Winston
>
>
>Ben Kennedy wrote:
>
>>On 29 Nov 2011, at 12:51 pm, Winston Weinmann wrote:
>>
>>> When I use PowerMail's "Rich Text" HTML format for messages some
>>people receive the message with odd characters inserted like this:
>>
>>Winston sent me an example directly (both as he sent out, and as
>>forwarded back to him by a recipient claiming it was mis-formatted).
>>The original looked correct to me in both Apple Mail and PowerMail.
>>
>>The appearance of the garbled result (as provided by your correspondent)
>>is consistent with how the text would appear if originally encoded in
>>UTF-8 but incorrectly decoded as "Windows 1252" (which is similar to ISO-
>>Latin-1 but a bit different. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1252>
>>
>>My inference: the recipient is using a broken (probably Windows-based)
>>mail client that does not properly understand UTF-8 text encoding.
>>
>>If you view the full headers for one of the "garbled" examples sent back
>>to you by your correspondent, what mail client ("X-Mailer: ") and
>>text encoding ("Content-type: text/*; charset=") are used in his message?
>>
>>-b
>>
>>--
>>Ben Kennedy, chief magician
>>Zygoat Creative Technical Services
>>http://www.zygoat.ca
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re(2): HTML/RTF messages have odd characters - how to avoid?

[Winston Weinmann]

>If you view the full headers for one of the "garbled" examples sent back
>to you by your correspondent, what mail client ("X-Mailer: ") and
>text encoding ("Content-type: text/*; charset=") are used in his message?

Here's what the response had:

X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_003D_01CC8B3C.19364F30"


- Winston


Ben Kennedy wrote:

>On 29 Nov 2011, at 12:51 pm, Winston Weinmann wrote:
>
>> When I use PowerMail's "Rich Text" HTML format for messages some
>people receive the message with odd characters inserted like this:
>
>Winston sent me an example directly (both as he sent out, and as
>forwarded back to him by a recipient claiming it was mis-formatted).
>The original looked correct to me in both Apple Mail and PowerMail.
>
>The appearance of the garbled result (as provided by your correspondent)
>is consistent with how the text would appear if originally encoded in
>UTF-8 but incorrectly decoded as "Windows 1252" (which is similar to ISO-
>Latin-1 but a bit different. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1252>
>
>My inference: the recipient is using a broken (probably Windows-based)
>mail client that does not properly understand UTF-8 text encoding.
>
>If you view the full headers for one of the "garbled" examples sent back
>to you by your correspondent, what mail client ("X-Mailer: ") and
>text encoding ("Content-type: text/*; charset=") are used in his message?
>
>-b
>
>--
>Ben Kennedy, chief magician
>Zygoat Creative Technical Services
>http://www.zygoat.ca
>
>

Re: HTML/RTF messages have odd characters - how to avoid?

[Ben Kennedy]

On 29 Nov 2011, at 12:51 pm, Winston Weinmann wrote:

> When I use PowerMail's "Rich Text" HTML format for messages some people 
> receive the message with odd characters inserted like this:

Winston sent me an example directly (both as he sent out, and as forwarded back 
to him by a recipient claiming it was mis-formatted).  The original looked 
correct to me in both Apple Mail and PowerMail.

The appearance of the garbled result (as provided by your correspondent) is 
consistent with how the text would appear if originally encoded in UTF-8 but 
incorrectly decoded as "Windows 1252" (which is similar to ISO-Latin-1 but a 
bit different. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1252>

My inference: the recipient is using a broken (probably Windows-based) mail 
client that does not properly understand UTF-8 text encoding.

If you view the full headers for one of the "garbled" examples sent back to you 
by your correspondent, what mail client ("X-Mailer: ") and text encoding 
("Content-type: text/*; charset=") are used in his message?

-b

--
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
Zygoat Creative Technical Services
http://www.zygoat.ca

Re: HTML/RTF messages have odd characters - how to avoid?

[Ben Kennedy]

On 29 Nov 2011, at 12:51 pm, Winston Weinmann wrote:

> When I use PowerMail's "Rich Text" HTML format for messages some people 
> receive the message with odd characters inserted like this:

Sounds like a discrepancy between the declared text encoding, and the actual 
one used in the message.

Would you care to send me (direct) such a message?  I'd be curious to examine 
the raw source.

-b

--
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
Zygoat Creative Technical Services
http://www.zygoat.ca

Re: HTML/RTF messages have odd characters - how to avoid?

[Winston Weinmann]

Another example:

" The review is up and itâ€(TM)s an absolute rave.Â

Â

    “A testament to the majesty and meaning of theater�

    “This production will remain in the heart as one of the most shattering 
theatrical moments on record in this city�

    â€?With a pitch-perfect cast, handsome design â€| it is the most 
essential drama produced this year�

    “If this isnâ€(TM)t the performance of a lifetime, I donâ€(TM)t know 
what is�

    “this remarkable actor quickly finds his way as the hard-drinking 
movie-goer� "


Sending things out that look like this is embarrassing.

Help!

- Winston


Winston Weinmann wrote:

>When I use PowerMail's "Rich Text" HTML format for messages some people
>receive the message with odd characters inserted like this:
>
>"Our Associate Artists are contributing their time and talent to for
>Cocoa and Carols. You can help by:
>Â  Â  - donating an interesting bottle of liquor or wine
>Â  Â  - getting gift cards from a few of your favorite stores or
>restaurants for the "Gift Card Tree"."
>
>It seems to happen on indented lines and sometimes at the end of a line.
>
>Why does this happen?
>
>How can I avoid it (and still use HTML formatting)?
>
>Thanks.
>
>- Winston

HTML/RTF messages have odd characters - how to avoid?

[Winston Weinmann]

When I use PowerMail's "Rich Text" HTML format for messages some people receive 
the message with odd characters inserted like this:

"Our Associate Artists are contributing their time and talent to for Cocoa and 
Carols. You can help by:
    - donating an interesting bottle of liquor or wine
    - getting gift cards from a few of your favorite stores or restaurants 
for the "Gift Card Tree"."

It seems to happen on indented lines and sometimes at the end of a line.

Why does this happen?

How can I avoid it (and still use HTML formatting)?

Thanks.

- Winston

Re: Re(5): Fwd: Really need a way to forward HTML messages

[Sean McBride]

On Sep 13, 2011, at 20:28, Winston Weinmann wrote:

> Are there any other differences between Forward and Redirect?

http://email.about.com/cs/usingemail/a/redirect.htm

Re(5): Fwd: Really need a way to forward HTML messages

[Winston Weinmann]

Thank you for letting me know that. It appears that Redirect will not allow 
changing the title of the email (such as by adding Fwd:) and that you can't add 
anything to the text of the message. This is a disadvantage in a lot of 
circumstances.

For example, I am trying to forward and invitation to a fundraising event, and 
would like to add an introductory note explaining my involvement. I can't do 
this with Redirect. So in this particular case it's not a solution.

Are there any other differences between Forward and Redirect?

Do I need to download images before I use Redirect?

Thank you.

- Winston


CTM info wrote:

>Winston,
>
>Use Redirect instead of Forward. Redirect will leave the message content
>as it was.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Chantal Favre
>CTM Development SA
>ctm-i...@ctmdev.com
>
>-
>  "In my first minutes with PowerMail 6, I've already been able
>   to archive a vast amount of my e-mail database and everything
>   is running brilliantly... Many thanks to CTM !"
>
>   Ricardo Pinto, PowerMail version 6 owner (unsolicited commment)
>
>   Download demo versions of PowerMail and FoxTrot Search products:
>  <http://www.ctmdev.com>
>-
>
>On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:24:22 -0400, Winston Weinmann
> wrote:
>
>>OK, found out what the problem is with posting RTF messages to the
>>PowerMail Discussions list. It was at the bottom of the response from
>>the PowerMail Discussions list:
>>
>>>Your message could not be posted to the PowerMail discussions list because
>>>the message contained HTML and the list does not accept HTML messages.
>>>
>>>For more information, you can contact the list administrator at:
>>>
>>>CTM listmaster 
>>
>>So the PowerMail Discussions list considers RTF as HTML?
>>
>>
>>This has obscured what I tried to post initially, that I /really/ need
>>PowerMail to be able to forward HTML messages.
>>
>>- Winston
>>
>>
>>Winston Weinmann wrote:
>>
>>>The PowerMail Discussions list did it again. When I forwarded my
>>>original Rich Text Format message to myself, PowerMail 6 displayed it
>>>correctly. But below is what the PowerMail Discussions turned it into.
>>>It should read as:
>>>
>>>"OK, I've finally run into a situation where I really need to forward an
>>>HTML email. It is about a local arts organization that will close down
>>>in less than two weeks unless it gets immediate help. The message is a
>>>mess when read as text (lots of long ugly links).
>>>
>>>I have saved it as a web archive, and will send that. But it loses some
>>>of its impact sent as an attachment.
>>>
>>>I really hope PowerMail will be able to forward HTML mail as HTML soon."
>>>
>>>
>>>- Winston
>>>
>>>PowerMail discussions wrote:
>
>

Re(4): Fwd: Really need a way to forward HTML messages

[CTM info]

Winston,

Use Redirect instead of Forward. Redirect will leave the message content as it 
was.

Kind regards,

Chantal Favre
CTM Development SA
ctm-i...@ctmdev.com

-
  "In my first minutes with PowerMail 6, I've already been able
   to archive a vast amount of my e-mail database and everything
   is running brilliantly... Many thanks to CTM !"

   Ricardo Pinto, PowerMail version 6 owner (unsolicited commment)

   Download demo versions of PowerMail and FoxTrot Search products:
  <http://www.ctmdev.com>
-

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:24:22 -0400, Winston Weinmann  
wrote:

>OK, found out what the problem is with posting RTF messages to the
>PowerMail Discussions list. It was at the bottom of the response from
>the PowerMail Discussions list:
>
>>Your message could not be posted to the PowerMail discussions list because
>>the message contained HTML and the list does not accept HTML messages.
>>
>>For more information, you can contact the list administrator at:
>>
>>CTM listmaster 
>
>So the PowerMail Discussions list considers RTF as HTML?
>
>
>This has obscured what I tried to post initially, that I /really/ need
>PowerMail to be able to forward HTML messages.
>
>- Winston
>
>
>Winston Weinmann wrote:
>
>>The PowerMail Discussions list did it again. When I forwarded my
>>original Rich Text Format message to myself, PowerMail 6 displayed it
>>correctly. But below is what the PowerMail Discussions turned it into.
>>It should read as:
>>
>>"OK, I've finally run into a situation where I really need to forward an
>>HTML email. It is about a local arts organization that will close down
>>in less than two weeks unless it gets immediate help. The message is a
>>mess when read as text (lots of long ugly links).
>>
>>I have saved it as a web archive, and will send that. But it loses some
>>of its impact sent as an attachment.
>>
>>I really hope PowerMail will be able to forward HTML mail as HTML soon."
>>
>>
>>- Winston
>>
>>PowerMail discussions wrote:

Re: Fwd: Really need a way to forward HTML messages

[Tobias Jung]

Winston Weinmann wrote (Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:24:22 -0400):

> OK, found out what the problem is with posting RTF messages to the
> PowerMail Discussions list. It was at the bottom of the response from
> the PowerMail Discussions list:
>
>> Your message could not be posted to the PowerMail discussions list because
>> the message contained HTML and the list does not accept HTML messages.
>>
>> For more information, you can contact the list administrator at:
>>
>>CTM listmaster 
>
> So the PowerMail Discussions list considers RTF as HTML?

Rich Text Messages _are_ HTML messages. Despite their name, they have
nothing to do with the Rich Text Format which is known from word
processors: Try sending a "rich text" message from PowerMail and view it
with an email client which can show the message source (e.g. Apple Mail)
and you'll see...

(Of course this doesn't help you with your forwarding problem, but since
you asked...)

Kind regards,
Tobias Jung

Re(3): Fwd: Really need a way to forward HTML messages

[Winston Weinmann]

OK, found out what the problem is with posting RTF messages to the PowerMail 
Discussions list. It was at the bottom of the response from the PowerMail 
Discussions list:

>Your message could not be posted to the PowerMail discussions list because
>the message contained HTML and the list does not accept HTML messages.
>
>For more information, you can contact the list administrator at:
>
>CTM listmaster 

So the PowerMail Discussions list considers RTF as HTML?


This has obscured what I tried to post initially, that I /really/ need 
PowerMail to be able to forward HTML messages.

- Winston


Winston Weinmann wrote:

>The PowerMail Discussions list did it again. When I forwarded my
>original Rich Text Format message to myself, PowerMail 6 displayed it
>correctly. But below is what the PowerMail Discussions turned it into.
>It should read as:
>
>"OK, I've finally run into a situation where I really need to forward an
>HTML email. It is about a local arts organization that will close down
>in less than two weeks unless it gets immediate help. The message is a
>mess when read as text (lots of long ugly links).
>
>I have saved it as a web archive, and will send that. But it loses some
>of its impact sent as an attachment.
>
>I really hope PowerMail will be able to forward HTML mail as HTML soon."
>
>
>- Winston
>
>PowerMail discussions wrote:
>
>>>--==_20110913170005.178923888-1_==
>>>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>> boundary="==_20110913170005.178923888-2_=="
>>>
>>>--==_20110913170005.178923888-2_==
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>
>>>OK, I've finally run into a situation where I really need to forward an =
>>>HTML email. It is about a local arts organization that will close down in
>>less =
>>>than two weeks unless it gets immediate help. The message is a mess when
>>read =
>>>as text (lots of long ugly links).
>>>
>>>I have saved it as a web archive, and will send that. But it loses some
>>of =
>>>its impact sent as an attachment.
>>>
>>>I really hope PowerMail will be able to forward HTML mail as HTML soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Winston
>>>
>>>p.s. This is a resend as the first one came back to me in quoted format.
>>I =
>>>sent this in Rich Text Format. Does the PowerMail Discussions list have a
>>=
>>>problem with Rich Text Format=3F
>>>
>>>--==_20110913170005.178923888-2_==
>>>Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>
>>>>>"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd";>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica}
>>>p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica;
>>min-height: =
>>>14.0px}
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>OK, I've finally run into a situation where I really =
>>>need to forward an HTML email. It is about a local arts organization
>>that =
>>>will close down in less than two weeks unless it gets immediate help. The
>>=
>>>message is a mess when read as text (lots of long ugly links).
>>>
>>
>>Your message could not be posted to the PowerMail discussions list because
>>the message seemed to contain an enclosure.
>>
>>For more information, you can contact the list administrator at:
>>
>>CTM listmaster 
>>
>
>
>

Re(2): Fwd: Really need a way to forward HTML messages

[Winston Weinmann]

The PowerMail Discussions list did it again. When I forwarded my original Rich 
Text Format message to myself, PowerMail 6 displayed it correctly. But below is 
what the PowerMail Discussions turned it into. It should read as:

"OK, I've finally run into a situation where I really need to forward an HTML 
email. It is about a local arts organization that will close down in less than 
two weeks unless it gets immediate help. The message is a mess when read as 
text (lots of long ugly links).

I have saved it as a web archive, and will send that. But it loses some of its 
impact sent as an attachment.

I really hope PowerMail will be able to forward HTML mail as HTML soon."


- Winston

PowerMail discussions wrote:

>>--==_20110913170005.178923888-1_==
>>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>> boundary="==_20110913170005.178923888-2_=="
>>
>>--==_20110913170005.178923888-2_==
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>
>>OK, I've finally run into a situation where I really need to forward an =
>>HTML email. It is about a local arts organization that will close down in
>less =
>>than two weeks unless it gets immediate help. The message is a mess when
>read =
>>as text (lots of long ugly links).
>>
>>I have saved it as a web archive, and will send that. But it loses some
>of =
>>its impact sent as an attachment.
>>
>>I really hope PowerMail will be able to forward HTML mail as HTML soon.
>>
>>
>>- Winston
>>
>>p.s. This is a resend as the first one came back to me in quoted format.
>I =
>>sent this in Rich Text Format. Does the PowerMail Discussions list have a
>=
>>problem with Rich Text Format=3F
>>
>>--==_20110913170005.178923888-2_==
>>Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>
>>>"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd";>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica}
>>p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica;
>min-height: =
>>14.0px}
>>
>>
>>
>>OK, I've finally run into a situation where I really =
>>need to forward an HTML email. It is about a local arts organization
>that =
>>will close down in less than two weeks unless it gets immediate help. The
>=
>>message is a mess when read as text (lots of long ugly links).
>>
>
>Your message could not be posted to the PowerMail discussions list because
>the message seemed to contain an enclosure.
>
>For more information, you can contact the list administrator at:
>
>CTM listmaster 
>

Re(4): HTML display no longer working in 6.0.6

[Peter Lovell]

Hi Mirko,

thanks for your suggestion - I would not have thought of an interaction
with Safari.

And this indeed solved the problem. I deleted Safari, restarted and
installed a new copy (5.0.3) and HTML display is working again.

Thanks.Peter


On Thu, Dec 23, 2010, Mirko Kranenburg  wrote:

>Maybe you could try to reinstall Safari. I think PM builds its HTML
>display on WebKit installed with Safari, so this could clean up some
>bits that went astray??
>
>Mirko
>
>On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Peter Lovell wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010, Michael J. Hußmann 
>wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Lovell (plov...@mac.com) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find that HTML display is no longer working for me in PM 6.0.6 (the
>>>> final version).
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone else seeing this?
>>>
>>> Works for me; I didn't observe any changes in this area with 6.0.6.
>>>
>>> - Michael
>>
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> thanks for this info. I didn't think that something like this would not
>> have been noticed.
>>
>> So my puzzle now is to find out what is different with my setup. My
>> build is 4630 -- is that what you have?
>>
>> Thanks.Peter
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Re(2): HTML display no longer working in 6.0.6

[Mirko Kranenburg]

Maybe you could try to reinstall Safari. I think PM builds its HTML display on 
WebKit installed with Safari, so this could clean up some bits that went 
astray??

Mirko

On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Peter Lovell wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010, Michael J. Hußmann  wrote:
> 
>> Peter Lovell (plov...@mac.com) wrote:
>> 
>>> I find that HTML display is no longer working for me in PM 6.0.6 (the
>>> final version).
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else seeing this?
>> 
>> Works for me; I didn't observe any changes in this area with 6.0.6.
>> 
>> - Michael
> 
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> thanks for this info. I didn't think that something like this would not
> have been noticed.
> 
> So my puzzle now is to find out what is different with my setup. My
> build is 4630 -- is that what you have?
> 
> Thanks.Peter
> 
> 

Re(2): HTML display no longer working in 6.0.6

[Peter Lovell]

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010, Michael J. Hußmann  wrote:

>Peter Lovell (plov...@mac.com) wrote:
>
>> I find that HTML display is no longer working for me in PM 6.0.6 (the
>> final version).
>>
>> Is anyone else seeing this?
>
>Works for me; I didn't observe any changes in this area with 6.0.6.
>
>- Michael


Hi Michael,

thanks for this info. I didn't think that something like this would not
have been noticed.

So my puzzle now is to find out what is different with my setup. My
build is 4630 -- is that what you have?

Thanks.Peter

Re: HTML display no longer working in 6.0.6

[Michael J . Hußmann]

Peter Lovell (plov...@mac.com) wrote:

> I find that HTML display is no longer working for me in PM 6.0.6 (the
> final version).
>
> Is anyone else seeing this?

Works for me; I didn't observe any changes in this area with 6.0.6.

- Michael


Michael J. Hußmann

E-mail: mich...@michael-hussmann.de
WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de

HTML display no longer working in 6.0.6

[Peter Lovell]

Hi all,

I find that HTML display is no longer working for me in PM 6.0.6 (the
final version).

Is anyone else seeing this?

I have HTML enabled in Preferences, and it's preferred if plain-text is
also available.

The small pop-up icon is there at the bottom of the Mail Browser and the
message pane (when there is HTML to display), and says "View message in
web browser" and "Show HTML". If I select to show in web browser, it
opens and shows styled text, etc. But if I select "Show HTML" then I
just get plain text again.

I'm puzzled.

Cheers.Peter

HTML mail print out problem

[Marko Hehl]

Hello,

I have a problem with the correct printout of HTML emails. Today I
received a mail from a successful ebay auction. So I start to print
these mail. The final outcome was incorrect. All lines are incorrect. If
I switch back to text only mode the mail was print correctly. So what is
my mistake?

Cheers,

Marko

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Curator of Photography  
Photographer 

p...@macbay.de

http://rfvirus.blogspot.com

Re: Strange rendering of HTML emails

[RockLily]

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009, at 6:31 PM, emac compellingly composed,
painstakingly penned, then roundfiled a lyrical masterpiece of an
email then hastily scribbled


>Hello Jo and company,
>
>Here's another clue - the emails are originating from a Windows 2000 machine.

I followed the suggestion that Ben had from another thread, and checked
Font Book - there were a LOT of duplicate fonts, and I trashed all of
them, and it now works. Yay! I don't know if Snow Leopard installed the
trouble causing fonts (I had many many more duplicates than what would
have come from an OS install, but maybe it was just the specific system
fonts??), or just made use of them differently, but I'm happy now.


Jo

"Dogs come when they're called; cats take a message and get back to you
later."
- Mary Bly

Re: Strange rendering of HTML emails

[emac]

Hello Jo and company,

Here's another clue - the emails are originating from a Windows 2000 machine.

X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914

Larry


>On Sat, Sep 12, 2009, at 5:37 PM, emac compellingly composed,
>painstakingly penned, then roundfiled a lyrical masterpiece of an
>email then hastily scribbled
>
>
>>Ever since I upgraded from PowerMail 5 to 6, I have received HTML emails
>>from one non-profit organization only to see a bunch of Chinese/Japanese
>>characters appear when viewed in PowerMail.
>
>me too, sorta. Not asian characters, but other weird stuff. Just in mail
>from certain people (I can think of 2 offhand). The text quoted shows up
>with various accented and alternative type characters, all spaced
>strangely. And it shows in the header (simple header), replacing
>'subject,' 'date sent,' etc., with SOME of the characters, intermingled
>with blank spaces, like:
>Su  e  :
> a  eSe  :
>:
>9e  yT  :
>T :
>
>A little strange, yes?
>
>
>Jo
>
>No animals or trees were killed or injured in the sending of this
>message. However, a great number of electrons were inconvenienced.
>
>
>

Re: Strange rendering of HTML emails

[RockLily]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009, at 5:37 PM, emac compellingly composed,
painstakingly penned, then roundfiled a lyrical masterpiece of an
email then hastily scribbled


>Ever since I upgraded from PowerMail 5 to 6, I have received HTML emails
>from one non-profit organization only to see a bunch of Chinese/Japanese
>characters appear when viewed in PowerMail.

me too, sorta. Not asian characters, but other weird stuff. Just in mail
from certain people (I can think of 2 offhand). The text quoted shows up
with various accented and alternative type characters, all spaced
strangely. And it shows in the header (simple header), replacing
'subject,' 'date sent,' etc., with SOME of the characters, intermingled
with blank spaces, like:
Su  e  :
 a  eSe  :
:
9e  yT  :
T :

A little strange, yes?


Jo

No animals or trees were killed or injured in the sending of this
message. However, a great number of electrons were inconvenienced.

Strange rendering of HTML emails

[emac]

Ever since I upgraded from PowerMail 5 to 6, I have received HTML emails
from one non-profit organization only to see a bunch of Chinese/Japanese
characters appear when viewed in PowerMail.  They worked fine in PowerMail 5.
- When I view the emails in text format, they are readable.
- When I attempt reply to one of the emails when the Chinese/Japanese
characters are visible, an error -8751 appears.
- When I forward one of the emails when the Chinese/Japanese characters
are visible, the Chinese/Japanese characters are in the forwarded email
along with an HTML attachment.  When I open the generated HTML
attachment in Safari, the email is rendered perfectly.

Any clues?  Yes, there obviously is something different about the way
the HTML emails are generated by the sender.  But why would the
generated HTML attachment display fine in Safari and PowerMail can't
display the email content correctly?

Larry
Mac OS 10.6.1
PowerMail 6.0.3
Mac Pro

Hint for viewing images safely in HTML Mail

[Don Zahniser]

Hi, all - 

I tried this hint:



and it seems to work nicely with PowerMail.

 - Don

Re: HTML display in 6.0b3

[PowerMail Engineering]

Ben Kennedy wrote:

>The issues with HTML messages described below still persist in 6.0.1b1.
>
>Functionally, the most severe bug is with the duplicated header text
>being inserted into the reply.

This will be fixed in the final 6.0.1.

>I still don't understand why it is insurmountable to render this in the
>same way as for plaintext messages.  Surely it is a separate view being
>drawn in that case anyway?  What is it about the HTML view that
>precludes drawing the same header at its top?

Unfortunately, mixing a WebKit view with PowerPlant views is problematic
(that's why clicking URLs or selecting text does not work reliably in
the HTML view). So we chose to insert the header as HTML data, instead
of using the same header view that we embed in the plain text view.


Jérôme - CTM Engineering


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EagleFiler. Foxtrot is just head and shoulders ahead of everything else
in capability. It finds every instance of a search term within a document
and highlights them and allows you to jump from instance to instance and
even gives a popup menu that shows all the instances in a short context."
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 Download a demo version from www.foxtrot.ch
-

Re: HTML display in 6.0b3

[Ben Kennedy]

The issues with HTML messages described below still persist in 6.0.1b1.

Functionally, the most severe bug is with the duplicated header text
being inserted into the reply.

-ben


Ben Kennedy wrote at 4:43 PM (-0800) on 12/1/08:

>Yall,
>
>The "simple header" addition in the latest beta is an improvement, but
>falls short of the mark:
>
>- it looks inconsistent from the regular header displayed for plaintext
>messages.
>- the recipient/sender names are not clickable or draggable as usual.
>- its entire text is included in quoting when the message is replied to.
>
>I still don't understand why it is insurmountable to render this in the
>same way as for plaintext messages.  Surely it is a separate view being
>drawn in that case anyway?  What is it about the HTML view that
>precludes drawing the same header at its top?
>
>Furthermore, I still find that about half the time clicks on links in
>the HTML simply fail to work unless I first "view message in web
>browser".  The lack of response is intermittent and inconsistent.
>
>-b
>
>--
>Ben Kennedy (chief magician)
>zygoat creative technical services
>http://www.zygoat.ca
>
>

--
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zygoat creative technical services
http://www.zygoat.ca

Re: HTML display in 6.0b3

[Ben Kennedy]

Sean McBride wrote at 10:01 PM (-0500) on 12/1/08:

>I suspect it has to do with the shiny new WebKit being use to render the
>HTML, and the crusty old PowerPlant to do everything else.

Yeah.  So?  Shift the origin of the WebView down a hundred pixels or
whatever, and draw the headers, like usual, in their usual place.

-b

--
Ben Kennedy (chief magician)
zygoat creative technical services
http://www.zygoat.ca

Re: HTML display in 6.0b3

[Sean McBride]

Ben Kennedy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-12-01 7:43 PM said:

>I still don't understand why it is insurmountable to render this in the
>same way as for plaintext messages.  Surely it is a separate view being
>drawn in that case anyway?  What is it about the HTML view that
>precludes drawing the same header at its top?

I suspect it has to do with the shiny new WebKit being use to render the
HTML, and the crusty old PowerPlant to do everything else.

Sean

HTML display in 6.0b3

[Ben Kennedy]

Yall,

The "simple header" addition in the latest beta is an improvement, but
falls short of the mark:

- it looks inconsistent from the regular header displayed for plaintext
messages.
- the recipient/sender names are not clickable or draggable as usual.
- its entire text is included in quoting when the message is replied to.

I still don't understand why it is insurmountable to render this in the
same way as for plaintext messages.  Surely it is a separate view being
drawn in that case anyway?  What is it about the HTML view that
precludes drawing the same header at its top?

Furthermore, I still find that about half the time clicks on links in
the HTML simply fail to work unless I first "view message in web
browser".  The lack of response is intermittent and inconsistent.

-b

--
Ben Kennedy (chief magician)
zygoat creative technical services
http://www.zygoat.ca

Re: forwarding a message with HTML text + jpegs

[Jan M.J. Storms]

Forwarding does not work that way but redirecting often does. Send a
separate messag to the same address to notify the addressee you
redirected the message to them.

hopefully fixed in PM 6.0

Jan

Ken Pope scripsit dd. Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:14:22 -0400 (internet: @801)

>I receive a type of message that contains a series of HTML captions in
>the body of the email and a series of jpegs as attachments.
>
>The message displays fine on my screen when I open it: I can scroll down
>and see each subsequent jpeg photo with the correct html caption
>displayed to the right of it.
>
>However, when I forward it, what is subsequently received is only the
>series of captions is displayed vertically in the body of the message
>but in ascii rather than html.  In addition, the photos are attached to
>the message but do not display in the body of the message when the
>message is opened.
>
>What setting(s) do I need to adjust so that this type of message is
>forwarded and displays itself in the same form in which I receive it?
>
>If relevant, I run PM 5.6.5 on a MacBook Pro w/ 2.5 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
>running Leopard 10.5.5.
>
>Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>Ken

Re: forwarding a message with HTML text + jpegs

[cheshirekat]

On Fri, Oct 10, 20082:14 PM, the following words from Ken Pope
[EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ...

>I receive a type of message that contains a series of HTML captions in
>the body of the email and a series of jpegs as attachments.
>
>The message displays fine on my screen when I open it: I can scroll down
>and see each subsequent jpeg photo with the correct html caption
>displayed to the right of it.
>
>However, when I forward it, what is subsequently received is only the
>series of captions is displayed vertically in the body of the message
>but in ascii rather than html.  In addition, the photos are attached to
>the message but do not display in the body of the message when the
>message is opened.
>
>What setting(s) do I need to adjust so that this type of message is
>forwarded and displays itself in the same form in which I receive it?
>
>If relevant, I run PM 5.6.5 on a MacBook Pro w/ 2.5 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
>running Leopard 10.5.5.
>
>Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>Ken
>
>
PowerMail isn't able to forward messages in that manner. You have to use
a different email client like Apple's Mail to do as you wish. I use Mail
so infrequently that I'm not sure it will do that properly, just
assuming it does.
-- 
"I go to nature to be soothed and healed, and to have my senses put in
order." -John Burroughs 

* Mac Pro 2 GHz Quad Xeon * OS X 10.4.10 * 5 GB RAM *

forwarding a message with HTML text + jpegs

[Ken Pope]

I receive a type of message that contains a series of HTML captions in
the body of the email and a series of jpegs as attachments.

The message displays fine on my screen when I open it: I can scroll down
and see each subsequent jpeg photo with the correct html caption
displayed to the right of it.

However, when I forward it, what is subsequently received is only the
series of captions is displayed vertically in the body of the message
but in ascii rather than html.  In addition, the photos are attached to
the message but do not display in the body of the message when the
message is opened.

What setting(s) do I need to adjust so that this type of message is
forwarded and displays itself in the same form in which I receive it?

If relevant, I run PM 5.6.5 on a MacBook Pro w/ 2.5 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
running Leopard 10.5.5.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Ken

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[PowerMail Engineering]

Tim Lapin wrote:

>When one opens the message, one gets a blank window with an HTML
>attachment.  Opening the HTML attachment forces the opening of a web
>browser application window containing the message.  Other people have
>noted that such messages open properly in Apple Mail and I can attest
>that they open in Thunderbird.  So, why not PowerMail?

This will be addressed in PM 6.
You can send me the raw source of a few sample messages with this
behaviour, so I can test various cases. To do so, retrieve the message
using Apple Mail.app, Thunderbird, or a webmail access (as PowerMail
does not preserve the message's raw source), save it in "raw message
source" or "Mail file" format, then send it to me as an attached file.


Jérôme - CTM Engineering


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somewhere," ever again. Because, you'll know in a half second."
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Re: reason for HTML-only?

[C. A. Niemiec]

>However, some HTML-messages end up as attachments only, which is a big
>problem IMHO.  Some problems with this:
>
>? The PM built-search index won't contain the data as it's only
>available in an external file. Thus, information in these attached files
>won't turn up in any searches.
>? The information is fragile. If the external file is moved or deleted
>only an empty message will be what's left.
>? The information can only be read, copied and treated in the web
>browser, which is quite inconvenient.

I would envision an HTML importer that would squeeze the content of
".html" attachments sans tags into a message that would be indexed and
placed in the database as normal (heh, as a "normal" message).

ala:

Mail > Import HTML attachment as text

... and a corresponding action for filter purposes. If message is [ not
evaluated as spam || from sender in address book || etc ], make a plain
text part from HTML attachment.

>? It's likely that forwards or redirects will keep the message as
>attachment only, which will expand the problem to users of other more
>HTML-capable email clients.

Forwarding with attachments -- didn't think of that.


>>Would this really take more than some regex?
>
>Why? It's much better to let an HTML interpreter do its stuff and use
>the result, which is text after all (and media obviously, but that would
>have to be scrapped I think). Which is what PM does now.

For PowerMail to create a tagless, plain text version of the HTML part
would take more than regex? Or take the results of the HTML interpreter
and make plain text of that? Same end: text I can select from within
PowerMail for quoting or whatnot.

I guess my point was I wouldn't have to use/look at the HTML interpreter
unless the conversion ended up too scrambled. I honestly don't get
enough HTML messages to know how often this would be.


Chris
--

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[MB]

C. A. Niemiec suggested:

>
>1. view plain text portion
>2. view HTML portion
>3. view HTML portion scrubbed to plain text
>
>#3 is HTML part minus tags. Links reduced to PowerMail's usual angle-
>bracketed plain text style.

The 3rd alternative is usually possible with PM since some time, if
there is no pure text part. If there is a pure text part, usually it
makes sense to default to that. I'd consider it feature though to be
able to view any HTML-message to text only, even if there was a pure
text part. 

However, some HTML-messages end up as attachments only, which is a big
problem IMHO.  Some problems with this:

? The PM built-search index won't contain the data as it's only
available in an external file. Thus, information in these attached files
won't turn up in any searches.
? The information is fragile. If the external file is moved or deleted
only an empty message will be what's left.
? The information can only be read, copied and treated in the web
browser, which is quite inconvenient.
? It's likely that forwards or redirects will keep the message as
attachment only, which will expand the problem to users of other more
HTML-capable email clients. 

>Friends (sic), family, co-workers all get their HTML mail via the client
>of their choice. PowerMail users can send back plain text replies.
>PowerMail users with a grudge against HTML mail can send back plain text
>with maniacal glee.

Hehe, this sounds nice.

>Would this really take more than some regex? 
Why? It's much better to let an HTML interpreter do its stuff and use
the result, which is text after all (and media obviously, but that would
have to be scrapped I think). Which is what PM does now.




Mikael

Technoids:
PM 5.6.5 build 4509 sv / SpamSieve 2.7.1 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB

Re: PM6 hopes.. was:: reason for HTML-only?

[Dave N]

Please add to my list of "Hopes" for PM6:
 * Ability to highlight & copy text in a html message.

Dave N

in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Dave N's message of 10:40 AM, 8/24/08

>Since I have (finally) started to use the 3 pane view, I noticed that PM
>doesn't allow you to edit unsent emails in the 3rd pane. Even if you
>save an email & reopen it in the 3rd pane later, you may view, but not
>edit there. Sort of odd that you must open the unsent email in a
>separate window to work on it. This is a minor complaint, but one easily
>fixed in PM6 perhaps.
>
>Along with the usual feature requests of:
>*"Normal" Printing (with a print dialog box, message headers, choice of
>html or text versions, etc)
>* the infamous html issues
>* Find/Replace function in the email being edited.
>* Smart folders (saved searches)
>* Pop-up menu to file incoming emails AND outgoing emails.
>* More choices of toolbar functions.
>* Lift the 2 gb db limit.
>* Even more robust Filter criteria, to include IF this AND that, OR IF
>the other thing, then...
>* Continued support for the existing great features of PM for Power users.
>
>Best,
> Dave N
>
>in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Bill Schjelderup's message of 9:54
>AM, 8/24/08
>
>>I sure hope Powermail v6 is a real product and not vaporwareand that
>>one of it's major enhancements is better integration of HTML email.
>
>

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[C. A. Niemiec]

>... better integration of HTML email. I don't want to
>SEND HTML email -- and I control that, but receiving
>it...please make it as easy as plain text...

I think a third viewing option would fit the bill:

1. view plain text portion
2. view HTML portion
3. view HTML portion scrubbed to plain text

#s 1 and 2 are business as usual.

#3 is HTML part minus tags. Links reduced to PowerMail's usual angle-
bracketed plain text style.

It would likely be a mess, so if it's that bad send it off to a web
browser. Hopefully progressing HTML practices will lead to better
structured HTML documents that degrade gracefully (vs. chopping it up
with table layouts).


#s 2 and 3 under "HTML reader" in the prefs:

[] Enable HTML reader
   [] Prefer Scrubbed HTML over HTML
   [] Prefer HTML when plain text is also available
   [] Download external pictures of connected,
  for non-spam messages (yada, yada)

And of course, an entry in the pop-up menu at the bottom to switch
between the three views.

Friends (sic), family, co-workers all get their HTML mail via the client
of their choice. PowerMail users can send back plain text replies.
PowerMail users with a grudge against HTML mail can send back plain text
with maniacal glee.


Would this really take more than some regex? If not, what's the
development roadblock?


Chris
--

Re: PM6 hopes.. was:: reason for HTML-only?

[Dave N]

Since I have (finally) started to use the 3 pane view, I noticed that PM
doesn't allow you to edit unsent emails in the 3rd pane. Even if you
save an email & reopen it in the 3rd pane later, you may view, but not
edit there. Sort of odd that you must open the unsent email in a
separate window to work on it. This is a minor complaint, but one easily
fixed in PM6 perhaps.

Along with the usual feature requests of:
*"Normal" Printing (with a print dialog box, message headers, choice of
html or text versions, etc)
* the infamous html issues
* Find/Replace function in the email being edited.
* Smart folders (saved searches)
* Pop-up menu to file incoming emails AND outgoing emails.
* More choices of toolbar functions.
* Lift the 2 gb db limit.
* Even more robust Filter criteria, to include IF this AND that, OR IF
the other thing, then...
* Continued support for the existing great features of PM for Power users.

Best,
 Dave N

in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Bill Schjelderup's message of 9:54
AM, 8/24/08

>I sure hope Powermail v6 is a real product and not vaporwareand that
>one of it's major enhancements is better integration of HTML email.

Re(3): reason for HTML-only?

[Bill Schjelderup]

Although trying to deal with HTML email is not as smooth as it could be,
MY major problem with PM right now is that when I configure PM to view
HTML email, I get frequent crashes as a skim through these messages.

It was REALLY bad when I installed Safari v4 beta - but even after I
reverted, the crash rate is irritating. When I turn off viewing of HTML
email, the crashes go awayBut then my messages are a pain to read.

I dislike HTML email, but the hard fact is that MANY people use it -
including many of my employees, even after I TRY to get them to use
plain text. It's a battle I'm tried of fighting. Family, friends,
customers, spam -- it doesn't matter who we curse, Microsoft or Apple --
it's a fact of life and our tools need to deal with it correctly.

I sure hope Powermail v6 is a real product and not vaporwareand that
one of it's major enhancements is better integration of HTML email. I
don't want to SEND HTML email -- and I control that, but receiving
it...please make it as easy as plain text

Bill

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Michael Lewis]

Tim Lapin sez:

>Ah, my mistake.  Apologies.  I have a summer head cold and clearly, I am
>not reading things carefully enough.

:) I sent out my last message before reading through the thread. Tried
not to seem snarky, but may have come across that way anyway, especially
after this had already wound down. My bad, and my  apologies, too.

I sitll like the cartoon at  though. :)


-- 
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Michael Lewis]

Tim Lapin sez:

>What are you talking about?  RE-READ the part you quoted.  I have
>received some HTML-only e-mails that did NOT open in PowerMail.  Not
>often, mind you but more than once.

What are you talking about? I responded to another message. Not yours.
The original message said some HTML-only messages can't be viewed in
PowerMail. It did notsay if those HTML-only messages were properly
formatted HTML, but the fact they are HTML-only and not multipart HTML
and Text like the RFC requires, indicates to me they could just as well
be improperly formatted HTML.

Again, I can only reply to the information I am given. Extrapolating
that the HTML-only messages are proper ones and the PM should be
rendering them was not possible from the information I had.

And my last word on this is:

<http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080822>


-- 
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Production
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com

HTML capabilities (was: "reason for HTML-only?)

[MB]

Michael J. Hußmann said:

>PM's just fine. I would hate it to turn
>into a replica of one of the competing clients. Diversity is a good
>thing, and certainly preferrable to following standards that aren't even
>standards.

 Improving PowerMails HTML-capabilities is hardly a call for anything of
what you suggest here.

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Michael J . Hußmann]

Matthias Schmidt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Regarding the database, weather people prefer monolithic databases or
> not, it doesn't matter. The current backup technology doesn't prefer
> this structure.
>
> Same thing with priority and some other features. All mail clients do
> support that stuff, PM doesn't ...
>
> PM doesn't define the standards, the major players do, so PM should
> stick with it.

Years ago, I switched to PM because (coming from Claris Emailer) I felt
immediately at home with it. I still do. For a while, I had been forced
to use Outlook, which I despised, and I've tried Apple's Mail, which I
thought was a bit strange. PM is still the mail client I like best. Now
from time to time, there are people complaining about how PM isn't more
like mail client X, Y, or Z. But if I preferred X, Y, or Z, I would have
switched to one of those a long time ago. As it happens, I like the
basic philosophy behind PM. There is certainly room for improvement, no
doubt about that, but basically, PM's just fine. I would hate it to turn
into a replica of one of the competing clients. Diversity is a good
thing, and certainly preferrable to following standards that aren't even
standards.

- Michael


Michael J. Hußmann

E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[MB]

Richard Hart said:

>Are you sure you meant to write that? I believe you might be
>experiencing problems, but I have never received a message in PowerMail
>that "cannot be displayed". What does that mean: "cannot be displayed"?

Well, if the HTML-message ends up in an attached file and there's no
pure text part, there's no way to view that message withing PowerMail as
the message body itself contain no data except for the headers. You'll
have to open the attachment in a web browser.
If there was a HTML-only message that was contained also inside
PowerMail as usually is the case, PM could possibly utilize its ability
to turn HTML to text. Something it does a great job at this from time to
time, though not always of course.

For clarity, what I asked about intially was if you people could think
of reasons for not sending messages with a pure text part. I'd prefer if
the focus remained on that. 

For professional opt-in mailers, this manner of mailing out messages
doesn't make sense to me, because I'm unaware of any general non-PM
technical reasons for omitting the pure text part.

Re(2): reason for HTML-only?

[Peter Lovell]

> Do anyone here have clue on what possible reasons there could be to
> choosing to send HTML-only messages, instead of mixed messages without a
> pure text part as well?
...


>As to the original question, I don't know, given that such messages are
>more likely to be considered spam.


Actually, I see quite a few that are all, or almost all, html and don't
display well, or at all.

There are also some that are not very well formed - the usual ones I see
of these are airline tickets and confirmations. So I wouldn't consider
them all to be spam. Some maybe, but not all.

Regards.Peter

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Matthias Schmidt]

Am/On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:05:52 -0500 schrieb/wrote Michael Lewis:

>Matthias Schmidt sez:
>
>>So yes, it gets more and more difficult t stick with PM.
>
>Can you not use the button at the bottom to switch to HTML view or view
>the message in a web browser. If neither of those work, than the email
>has crappy HTML code and it isn't PM's fault.

of course I can view html messages usually.

But replying to them is sometimes ... let's say uncomfortable, because I
have to mark the text.
The other point is, that some messages just contain in the text part
something, like "the service ... requires html in the moment".

Regarding the database, weather people prefer monolithic databases or
not, it doesn't matter. The current backup technology doesn't prefer
this structure.

Same thing with priority and some other features. All mail clients do
support that stuff, PM doesn't ...

PM doesn't define the standards, the major players do, so PM should
stick with it.

Thanks and all the best

Matthias

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Tim Lapin]

On   Saturday, August 23, 2008,   Michael J. Hußmann   sent forth:

>Tim Lapin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>> Exactly what I and others have written.
>
>This thread started with the question:
>
>> Do anyone here have clue on what possible reasons there could be to
>> choosing to send HTML-only messages, instead of mixed messages without a
>> pure text part as well?
>
>Then the thread got hijacked and now you are complaining about the well-
>known issue of PM being unable to make multiple HTML parts into
>something it can display. It might have been better to start a new
>thread if you want to discuss this (although I don't think anything has
>changed since Jérôme explained CTM's take the issue on 6/20/2008).
>
>- Michael
>
>
>Michael J. Hußmann
>
>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
>WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
>
>

Ah, my mistake.  Apologies.  I have a summer head cold and clearly, I am
not reading things carefully enough.

As to the original question, I don't know, given that such messages are
more likely to be considered spam.

--
Tim Lapin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Intel iMacOS 10.5.1PowerMail 5.6.1 1 GB RAM 250 GB HD

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Michael J . Hußmann]

Tim Lapin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Exactly what I and others have written.

This thread started with the question:

> Do anyone here have clue on what possible reasons there could be to
> choosing to send HTML-only messages, instead of mixed messages without a
> pure text part as well?

Then the thread got hijacked and now you are complaining about the well-
known issue of PM being unable to make multiple HTML parts into
something it can display. It might have been better to start a new
thread if you want to discuss this (although I don't think anything has
changed since Jérôme explained CTM's take the issue on 6/20/2008).

- Michael


Michael J. Hußmann

E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Tim Lapin]

On   Saturday, August 23, 2008,   Richard Hart   sent forth:

>Tim Lapin wrote:
>
>>These messages cannot be displayed by PM
>>in any mode.  I have received a few myself.
>
>Are you sure you meant to write that? I believe you might be
>experiencing problems, but I have never received a message in PowerMail
>that "cannot be displayed". What does that mean: "cannot be displayed"?
>
>Richard Hart
>
>

Exactly what I and others have written.

When one opens the message, one gets a blank window with an HTML
attachment.  Opening the HTML attachment forces the opening of a web
browser application window containing the message.  Other people have
noted that such messages open properly in Apple Mail and I can attest
that they open in Thunderbird.  So, why not PowerMail?

Look back in this list and you will see others have written about the
same thing.

The fact that it might be spam is irrelevant.
The fact that it might be objectionable on principle to some here
(including me, BTW) is irrelevant.

If I have to see that message, I don't appreciate my e-mailer telling me
in effect to piss off and use another product.  I like PM but unless
issues like this get addressed, I might have to reconsider.


--
Tim Lapin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Intel iMacOS 10.5.1PowerMail 5.6.1 1 GB RAM 250 GB HD

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Richard Hart]

Tim Lapin wrote:

>These messages cannot be displayed by PM
>in any mode.  I have received a few myself.

Are you sure you meant to write that? I believe you might be
experiencing problems, but I have never received a message in PowerMail
that "cannot be displayed". What does that mean: "cannot be displayed"?

Richard Hart

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Tim Lapin]

On   Saturday, August 23, 2008,   Michael J. Hußmann   sent forth:

>Tim Lapin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>> You miss the point, I think.  These messages cannot be displayed by PM
>> in any mode.  I have received a few myself.
>
>So far, this thread was about HTML-only mails, and PM has no problems
>displaying HTML-only mails that I am aware of. There is an issue with
>mails containing multiple HTML parts or combinations of HTML and plain
>text parts, but that's a different matter. In those cases, the
>individual parts can only be displayed in a web browser.
>

What are you talking about?  RE-READ the part you quoted.  I have
received some HTML-only e-mails that did NOT open in PowerMail.  Not
often, mind you but more than once.

The whole point is to NOT open them in a second application, IMHO.

--
Tim Lapin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Intel iMacOS 10.5.1PowerMail 5.6.1 1 GB RAM 250 GB HD

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Michael Lewis]

Tim Lapin sez:

>You miss the point, I think.  These messages cannot be displayed by PM
>in any mode.  I have received a few myself.

I don't think that point was made. The original message only asked about
HTML-only messages not being sent with text parts. If they aren't
formatting the multipart emails properly, then they may be creating
improper HTML code, too. I can only reply to the info I have. :)

-- 
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Michael J . Hußmann]

Tim Lapin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> You miss the point, I think.  These messages cannot be displayed by PM
> in any mode.  I have received a few myself.

So far, this thread was about HTML-only mails, and PM has no problems
displaying HTML-only mails that I am aware of. There is an issue with
mails containing multiple HTML parts or combinations of HTML and plain
text parts, but that's a different matter. In those cases, the
individual parts can only be displayed in a web browser.

> PowerMail, however, is the fly in the ointment with its monolithic
> structure.

Hmm .. actually, I prefer monolithic databases, if only for the fact
that monolithic files copy much much faster than folders containing a
myriad of small files.

But then, I don't use Time Machine. Even when PM's mail database was
dissolved into many small files, other databases, virtual disks and such
won't be going away.

- Michael


Michael J. Hußmann

E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Tim Lapin]

On   Saturday, August 23, 2008,   Michael Lewis   sent forth:

>Matthias Schmidt sez:
>
>>So yes, it gets more and more difficult t stick with PM.
>
>Can you not use the button at the bottom to switch to HTML view or view
>the message in a web browser. If neither of those work, than the email
>has crappy HTML code and it isn't PM's fault.
>
>--
>Michael Lewis
>Off Balance Productions
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>www.offbalance.com
>
>

You miss the point, I think.  These messages cannot be displayed by PM
in any mode.  I have received a few myself.

If mail is increasingly of the HTML-only variety, then using PM becomes
increasingly a chore as the very automatic nature of viewing email is
changed.  What it means is that more and more we will have to go down to
the icon at the bottom of the page and click on that little globe,
invoking a second program to do what the first program should have done
but couldn't.  I like text based email, you like text based email.
Unfortunately, it seems relatively few other groups do. :-(

As far as whose fault it is, such arguments are futile at best.  If you
really press the point, people will then point to the fact that other
email clients can read the stuff, so why can't PM?

A second problem is with the database and backups.  I just upgraded to
Leopard because of, among other things, Time Machine.  I bought a LaCie
2 big Triple 1 TB drive (2 x 500 GB physical drives) and set the second
drive as a mirror of the first.  Combined with Time Machine, I now have
redundant backups plus a whack of extra storage space.

PowerMail, however, is the fly in the ointment with its monolithic
structure.  I know it is not alone in this and Apple clearly had
Mail.app in mind when designing Time Machine but neither is Mail.app
alone.  Thunderbird can be set up so that its parent folders become
separate databases; each one allowing a 4 GB file or database in
effect.  Eudora, though now in legacy mode, is another.  The smaller
files result in a less onerous automated backup by Time Machine.  I can
only be thankful that my database is small by the standards of some
users here (? 150 MB and growing) through careful pruning of messages
that are important in the moment but have no lasting value.

It should be pointed out that the same problem would exist with any
backup regime but I point to Time Machine as most of us have it and
probably more than a few of us are either using it or thinking of using
it.  It is a slick, automated, no fuss product.  Besides, free is good. :-)

--
Tim Lapin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Intel iMacOS 10.5.1PowerMail 5.6.1 1 GB RAM 250 GB HD

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Michael Lewis]

Matthias Schmidt sez:

>So yes, it gets more and more difficult t stick with PM.

Can you not use the button at the bottom to switch to HTML view or view
the message in a web browser. If neither of those work, than the email
has crappy HTML code and it isn't PM's fault. 

-- 
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Matthias Schmidt]

Am/On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:30:40 +0200 schrieb/wrote Rene Merz:

>MB hat am Donnerstag, 21. August 2008 geschrieben:
>
>>Do anyone here have clue on what possible reasons there could be to
>>choosing to send HTML-only messages, instead of mixed messages without a
>>pure text part as well?
>>
>Is stupidity a good reason for it?

No.

I meanwhile also get sme messages html only.
And this is increasing..
More and more people do so and some services as well.

So yes, it gets more and more difficult t stick with PM.
One file database (time machine) with its 2GB limit, html messages and
some other missing features would make a major revision imho necessary.

Thanks and all the best

Matthias

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Rene Merz]

MB hat am Donnerstag, 21. August 2008 geschrieben:

>Do anyone here have clue on what possible reasons there could be to
>choosing to send HTML-only messages, instead of mixed messages without a
>pure text part as well?
>
Is stupidity a good reason for it?

A 2004 study by AWeber.com shows that plain text messages are
undeliverable 1.15% of the time and HTML only messages were
undeliverable 2.3%. If sending HTML it is important to always send a
plain text alternative message, also called text/HTML multi-part mime format.

And of course (AWeber.com is in that business):
In the meantime HTML-mails (especially HTML-only mails) are recognised
by mailservers ans mailprograms as SPAM.

Re: reason for HTML-only?

[Dave N]

I don't know, but I'm getting a lot of those. Some look like almost
blank in Powermail, and I have to use Apple Mail to view them. It's
getting harder to stick with PM now.

CTM: Please hurry up with v 6! We need some important features, like
being able to forward an (html) email without ruining it. And printing
that works as expected. And a Find/Replace function.

DN

in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), MB's message of 7:19 AM, 8/21/08

>Do anyone here have clue on what possible reasons there could be to
>choosing to send HTML-only messages, instead of mixed messages without a
>pure text part as well?
>
>
>
>

reason for HTML-only?

[MB]

Do anyone here have clue on what possible reasons there could be to
choosing to send HTML-only messages, instead of mixed messages without a
pure text part as well?

Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM

[Tim Lapin]

On   Saturday, June 21, 2008,   MB   sent forth:

>Sean McBride said:
>
>>Did you look at his screenshots?  There was an attachment.  That's his
>>point.  I'll repeat his words: "PowerMail shows me a totally blank
>>message with a html attachment, with
>>no provision for viewing the message. It's just blank. Lame."  There's
>>no globe icon to 'view as html'.  The email had _two italicised words_
>>and for that PowerMail needs to launch a 3rd Party application to show
>>the message.  Lame.  This happens to me all the time too.
>
>This happens from time to time since a long time. I've started working
>on a script for integrating the attached HTML in the message, but ran
>into some issues. I plan to finsih it when I got the time. Also, it
>would be better if CTM let PM do the same thing automatically instead of
>a us having to use a script.
>
>Depending on the cause and widespread adoption of non-standard email, I
>think it's not to much to ask from PM to be able to handle erroneous
>incoming email and in some cases allow corrections to be made.
>
>
>

Just received such a piece of e-mail from Sophos, of all people.  For
the record, Thunderbird (PC) had no problems with it although it did
initially block the images for security reasons.  I unblocked them and
the full message displayed.

PowerMail, on the other hand, gave me the blank page page with an HTML
attachment.  Most of my other HTML messages display automatically as I
have the reader enabled with the HTML preference AND the autodownload of
pictures both enabled.  Funny thing is, some e-mail, notably Apple's,
won't show me the images unless I then manually download them.

Conclusion:  the behaviour is definitely not universal and is specific
to both the message and the e-mail client.  We need some work done here, guys.

--
Tim Lapin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Intel iMacOS 10.4.11PowerMail 5.6.1 1 GB RAM 250 GB HD

Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM

[MB]

Sean McBride said:

>Did you look at his screenshots?  There was an attachment.  That's his
>point.  I'll repeat his words: "PowerMail shows me a totally blank
>message with a html attachment, with
>no provision for viewing the message. It's just blank. Lame."  There's
>no globe icon to 'view as html'.  The email had _two italicised words_
>and for that PowerMail needs to launch a 3rd Party application to show
>the message.  Lame.  This happens to me all the time too.

This happens from time to time since a long time. I've started working
on a script for integrating the attached HTML in the message, but ran
into some issues. I plan to finsih it when I got the time. Also, it
would be better if CTM let PM do the same thing automatically instead of
a us having to use a script.

Depending on the cause and widespread adoption of non-standard email, I
think it's not to much to ask from PM to be able to handle erroneous
incoming email and in some cases allow corrections to be made.


Mikael

Technoids:
PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB

Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM

[MB]

Michael Lewis sa såhär:

>I'd prefer that email programs
>didn't fix errors so that crappy email programs would finally die the
>deaths they deserve.

if the crappy email apps are made by Microsoft, they won't die.


Mikael

Technoids:
PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB

Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM

[Dave N]

Hi Jérôme,
Thanks for the explanation. It always helps to understand the problem.

Whether we all like it or not, html mail is becoming more common, not
less. So let's look forward to a solution.

Would it be possible to let Webkit provide the services to view the html
message within PowerMail? Could the complex message be assembled on the
fly when there is a request to view a certain complex message? So maybe
it would not be necessary to change the PM db structure, and still
provide more robust viewing of html messages.

This might also be helpful when the PowerMail user wants to "reply" to a
"blank message with html attachment, so the message text could be quoted
(as plain text, or even, Gasp! in it's original format). That would be a
labor-saving advancement.

When I receive one of these html messages (as an attachment) I generally
open the html attachment with Safari or FireFox, copy the text and run
the script "Replace Message Text with Clipboard" to put this text into
the received incoming message.  Then I can delete the html attachment.

If the incoming message displayed any text at all, then I add a step:
after copying the text from the web browser, I paste it into
TextWrangler, copy any text from the PM message, paste into Text
Wrangler to assemble the entire desired message to save, then copy & run
that script to put this text into the incoming PM message. Kind of a lot
of busy work that I don't always have time for.

Here is the script for anyone that wants it.
<http://dave.sbamug.com/pmdisclist/scripts/Replace_with_clipboard.zip>
After Unzipping, drop this script into
 ~/Mail/PowerMail Files/Customs Scripts  and restart PM.

Perhaps this could be automated & built into PowerMail?
Or perhaps PowerMail can use Webkit to display the message on request?
Or since AppleMail is scriptable and has a framework, (getting wild
here) maybe PowerMail could send html messages to AppleMail for
processing and return. Or even better, if PowerMail includes a a
converter/html display engine so that PM will still work after Apple
changes something again. None of us would want PM to break just because
Apple changed something (again) in the OS or iApp.

Somehow, there can be a solution.

Best,
 Dave N


in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), PowerMail Engineering's message of 5:12
AM, 6/20/08

>Yes, PowerMail has some limitations when displaying complex messages,
>which contain mixed HTML and plain text parts, or multiple HTML parts.
>These limitations are not easy to fix: this would require modifying how
>messages are saved in PowerMail's database, and combining multiple parts
>in a single HTML view can produce unexpected results, depending on how
>the HTML parts are designed. We chose to handle these messages as if the
>HTML parts were attachments, so you can display them individually in the
>web browser. Also, although these messages are valid regarding the MIME
>standard, it is normally the job of the sending email client to format
>complex messages in a unique HTML part, rather than the receiving email
>client to handle multiple HTML or HTML+text parts.
>
>
>Jérôme - CTM Engineering

Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM

[Michael Lewis]

Sean McBride sez:

>The email had _two italicised words_
>and for that PowerMail needs to launch a 3rd Party application to show
>the message.  Lame.  This happens to me all the time too.

Are we sure that the email in question followed the proper protocols for
HTML mail? I bet it didn't if the HTML came out as an attachment. There
should be a text portion that would show as text and the HTML portion
that would show up if you have HTML turned on. If it is formatted
properly, then the button should be there. Why is it PowerMail's fault
if the sneding application can't format the mail properly? Just because
other mail programs can catch a few errors and fix them on the fly,
doesn't mean all of them can or should. I'd prefer that email programs
didn't fix errors so that crappy email programs would finally die the
deaths they deserve. 

-- 
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com

Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM

[PowerMail Engineering]

Dave N wrote:

>Look at the difference between the 2 programs viewing the SAME EXACT EMAIL.
>PowerMail shows me a totally blank message with a html attachment, with
>no provision for viewing the message. It's just blank. Lame.
>
>AppleMail shows me the message so I can read it. Obviously this is possible.

Yes, PowerMail has some limitations when displaying complex messages,
which contain mixed HTML and plain text parts, or multiple HTML parts.
These limitations are not easy to fix: this would require modifying how
messages are saved in PowerMail's database, and combining multiple parts
in a single HTML view can produce unexpected results, depending on how
the HTML parts are designed. We chose to handle these messages as if the
HTML parts were attachments, so you can display them individually in the
web browser. Also, although these messages are valid regarding the MIME
standard, it is normally the job of the sending email client to format
complex messages in a unique HTML part, rather than the receiving email
client to handle multiple HTML or HTML+text parts.


Jérôme - CTM Engineering


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Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM

[Sean McBride]

cheshirekat ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-6-19 5:09 PM said:

>Isn't your HTML showing as an attachment in PowerMail?

Did you look at his screenshots?  There was an attachment.  That's his
point.  I'll repeat his words: "PowerMail shows me a totally blank
message with a html attachment, with
no provision for viewing the message. It's just blank. Lame."  There's
no globe icon to 'view as html'.  The email had _two italicised words_
and for that PowerMail needs to launch a 3rd Party application to show
the message.  Lame.  This happens to me all the time too.

Sean

Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM

[Dave N]

Hi Cheshirekat,
Only as an attachment. No way to view the message within PowerMail. Have
to use a web browser to read the message.

Dave N

in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), cheshirekat's message of 2:09 PM, 6/19/08

>Isn't your HTML showing as an attachment in PowerMail?
>
>On Thu, Jun 19, 200812:22 PM, the following words from Dave N
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ...
>
>> http://dave.sbamug.com/pmdisclist/PowerMail_msg.png

Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM

[cheshirekat]

Isn't your HTML showing as an attachment in PowerMail?

On Thu, Jun 19, 200812:22 PM, the following words from Dave N
[EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ...

>http://dave.sbamug.com/pmdisclist/PowerMail_msg.png

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HTML mail comparison PM vs AM

[Dave N]

Ok, this html mail thing is getting more annoying all the time. Even if
I want to push the globe button in PowerMail, it is not always there
because PowerMail does not always notice the message is in HTML format.

Look at the difference between the 2 programs viewing the SAME EXACT EMAIL.
PowerMail shows me a totally blank message with a html attachment, with
no provision for viewing the message. It's just blank. Lame.

AppleMail shows me the message so I can read it. Obviously this is possible.

I'm starting to see more of this kind of problem, and CTM really needs
to do something about it. Or else PM will be an impediment to communication.

Here are the screen photos. See the difference?
<http://dave.sbamug.com/pmdisclist/AppleMail_msg.png>
<http://dave.sbamug.com/pmdisclist/PowerMail_msg.png>

I still prefer sending plain text emails. But I've gotten used to having
a powerful email client (PM of course) that does things right. However,
it seems the world is still advancing, and now PM needs to catch up.

Like any tough love, I wouldn't spend the time to bring this up if I
didn't care. Here's hope for the future, and hope that the future
includes an updated, more powerful version of PowerMail.

Best,
 Dave N

Re: Forwarding and html mails (late response)

[MB]

Ulrik Larsen - Utopian. sa såhär:

>Could there be a point in the preferences where this can be adjusted,
>whether or not the user wants to forward text or original message?
Powermail doesn't author HTML-messages. As the (external) HTML-display
engine is not the same in 3.x and 5.x I think the same behaviour is not
to be expected.

If you want to preserve the content of the message, AS IT IS, you can
DIVERT the message instead. This will keep the HTML content intact.

>Also, when replying a letter, you can edit the insertion text at the
>preferences menu, but this is not possible with a forwarded message?
No, but you can replace that text with a clipping or type it. It could
also be scripted I'm pretty sure.


Mikael

Technoids:
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G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB


Mikael

Technoids:
PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB

Forwarding and html mails

[Ulrik Larsen - Utopian.]

I was using PowerMail 3.x before upgrading to version 5.x and here, when
forwarding a html message, the html part would be included in the new
message, but in version 5.6.4 the html part is converted to plain text,
with an insertion like ' Begin Forwarded Message
' and an end afterwards.

Could there be a point in the preferences where this can be adjusted,
whether or not the user wants to forward text or original message?

Also, when replying a letter, you can edit the insertion text at the
preferences menu, but this is not possible with a forwarded message?


Thanks again, keep up the good work..   :-)
Ulrik.

generate HTML mail

[MB]

Anyone know of a mac application that can generate HTML messages without
a pure message part?



Mikael

Technoids:
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G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB

Re: Problem printing html messages

[Dave N]

in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Matthias Schmidt's message of 5:42
PM, 12/17/07

Dave said:
>>>In addition, PowerMail will not print the message header info, so I'm
>>>left with just the HTML message body and no printed proof of date or who
>>>it came from/To. Just completely unsatisfactory!
>>

Matthias  said:
>open the html in your webbrowser.
>You can do so by choosing the little globe on the bottom of the window
>and then choose show in webbrowser.
>From there you can print the html message. No big deal, always works for me.

Dave says:
Hi,
So it seems that until CTM fixes this issue we must choose between
printing an email with header info, or printing an email in html view
(some html emails do not include a plain text version), not both.

Most annoying of all is the lack of notice that I will not be allowed to
change printers, nor see a page preview. Just yesterday I was swearing
to myself because I wanted to print one page of an email, but was forced
to waste 5 additional pages of paper & color ink because the "print"
dialog box does not appear as one might expect. I had wanted to print
only the first page, and print it to the black & white printer. It is my
hope that CTM will address this issue at some point.

Best,
 Dave N



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Re: Problem printing html messages

[Matthias Schmidt]

Am/On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:26:00 +0100 schrieb/wrote MB:

>Matthias Schmidt said:
>
>>What are you for a strange person shouting around here on the list, when
>>people just try to help.
>>Try to switch your brain on before typing.
>>If you need the headers just print the text message.
>
>You're not helpful at all. The open in the browser "solution" is obvious
>and trivial.
>The objective was to print the HTML message with the headers, not the
>text itself.
>What don't you use your brain yourself and actually read before you try
>and be "helpful"?
>
>And what's all this "you"? Did I start the thread? I think not. Do I ask
>for your help on this problem? I think not.
>
>>as long as you shout around no one will write you a script.
>What's the weather like on your planet?
>If you had paid any attention, which you obviously have not, you would
>have understood that I could most likely write it myself if I need such
>a script for myself. Which I don't.
>I was asking for the benefit of all those other people that seems to
>need a real solution for the problem at hand. At least I tried to
>envision something that potentially could solve the problem described.
>I won't repeat the actual problem again here as you most likely prefer
>denial of what it really was Dave asked for.

so you want to start a flame war here?

could someone please take this annoying guy off the list.
I'll put him meanwhile on my blocking list.

Thanks

Matthias

Re: Problem printing html messages

[MB]

Matthias Schmidt said:

>What are you for a strange person shouting around here on the list, when
>people just try to help.
>Try to switch your brain on before typing.
>If you need the headers just print the text message.

You're not helpful at all. The open in the browser "solution" is obvious
and trivial.
The objective was to print the HTML message with the headers, not the
text itself.
What don't you use your brain yourself and actually read before you try
and be "helpful"?

And what's all this "you"? Did I start the thread? I think not. Do I ask
for your help on this problem? I think not.
 
>as long as you shout around no one will write you a script.
What's the weather like on your planet?
If you had paid any attention, which you obviously have not, you would
have understood that I could most likely write it myself if I need such
a script for myself. Which I don't.  
I was asking for the benefit of all those other people that seems to
need a real solution for the problem at hand. At least I tried to
envision something that potentially could solve the problem described.
I won't repeat the actual problem again here as you most likely prefer
denial of what it really was Dave asked for.




Mikael

Technoids:
PM 5.6 build 4497 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.5 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB

Re: Problem printing html messages

[Matthias Schmidt]

Am/On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:32:07 +0100 schrieb/wrote MB:

>Matthias Schmidt said:
>
>>open the html in your webbrowser.
>>You can do so by choosing the little globe on the bottom of the window
>>and then choose show in webbrowser.
>>From there you can print the html message. No big deal, always works for me.
>
>That does NOT solve the problem of needing the headers and the HTML
>message printed on the same page. Please PAY ATTENTION to the actual
>problems presented before you come up with a "solution".

What are you for a strange person shouting around here on the list, when
people just try to help.
Try to switch your brain on before typing.
If you need the headers just print the text message.

>
>My idea was to intercept the printing of the message and via scripting
>get the headers needed and inject those before the actual printing job.
>This is feasible, though it would be better if there was an app or
>codelibrary out there that could do the actual intercept.
>One possibly more easy way could be to get the headers via scripting and
>the HTML message as a string and inject the headers as HTML before the
>actual message, before this is opened inside the web browser. From there
>it would of course be trivial to print the message with headers and all.
>
>Anyone up for it?

as long as you shout around no one will write you a script.

Thanks and all the best

Matthias

Re: Problem printing html messages

[MB]

Matthias Schmidt said:

>open the html in your webbrowser. 
>You can do so by choosing the little globe on the bottom of the window
>and then choose show in webbrowser.
>From there you can print the html message. No big deal, always works for me.

That does NOT solve the problem of needing the headers and the HTML
message printed on the same page. Please PAY ATTENTION to the actual
problems presented before you come up with a "solution".

My idea was to intercept the printing of the message and via scripting
get the headers needed and inject those before the actual printing job.
This is feasible, though it would be better if there was an app or
codelibrary out there that could do the actual intercept.
One possibly more easy way could be to get the headers via scripting and
the HTML message as a string and inject the headers as HTML before the
actual message, before this is opened inside the web browser. From there
it would of course be trivial to print the message with headers and all.

Anyone up for it? I'm all busy myself, am nota happy scripter  and
sincerly noone seems to care about scripting for Powermail, even as
scripts sometimes can solve real day by day  problems. So unless I need
it myself I won't be bothered.




Mikael

Technoids:
PM 5.6 build 4497 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.5 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB

Re: Problem printing html messages

[Matthias Schmidt]

Am/On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:49:40 +0100 schrieb/wrote MB:

>Dave N told:
>
>>I KNOW this has been discussed before, but the problem still exists, and
>>it's really surprising that when dealing with a HTML message in html
>>view that PowerMail won't allow a choice of printers, and won't allow a
>>"preview" nor saving as a PDF from the print dialog box. Nor will it
>>allow a choice of which pages to print. All because the Print dialog box
>>is skipped when printing a html message.
>>
>>In addition, PowerMail will not print the message header info, so I'm
>>left with just the HTML message body and no printed proof of date or who
>>it came from/To. Just completely unsatisfactory!
>
>I would like to know if this problem could be "solved" with some kind of
>printer intercept application. Anyone have any suggestions on that kind
>of apps?

open the html in your webbrowser.
You can do so by choosing the little globe on the bottom of the window
and then choose show in webbrowser.
From there you can print the html message. No big deal, always works for me.

Thanks and all the best

Matthias

Re: Problem printing html messages

[MB]

Dave N told:

>I KNOW this has been discussed before, but the problem still exists, and
>it's really surprising that when dealing with a HTML message in html
>view that PowerMail won't allow a choice of printers, and won't allow a
>"preview" nor saving as a PDF from the print dialog box. Nor will it
>allow a choice of which pages to print. All because the Print dialog box
>is skipped when printing a html message. 
>
>In addition, PowerMail will not print the message header info, so I'm
>left with just the HTML message body and no printed proof of date or who
>it came from/To. Just completely unsatisfactory!  

I would like to know if this problem could be "solved" with some kind of
printer intercept application. Anyone have any suggestions on that kind
of apps?




Mikael

Technoids:
PM 5.6 build 4497 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.5 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB

Problem printing html messages

[Dave N]

So I receive a HTML message (a receipt for a purchase), and I want to
print it. I press "command p" and want to choose the printer, and check
the "preview" to make sure it is just 1 page

Nope! Can't do it! As I am waiting for the Print Dialog box to show up,
the color printer immediately prints the job! That is Not the printer I
wanted to print to!

I KNOW this has been discussed before, but the problem still exists, and
it's really surprising that when dealing with a HTML message in html
view that PowerMail won't allow a choice of printers, and won't allow a
"preview" nor saving as a PDF from the print dialog box. Nor will it
allow a choice of which pages to print. All because the Print dialog box
is skipped when printing a html message.

In addition, PowerMail will not print the message header info, so I'm
left with just the HTML message body and no printed proof of date or who
it came from/To. Just completely unsatisfactory!

Best,
 Dave

Re: HTML-only to text conversion working now?

[Howard Mullinack]

MB Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:41:11 +0100

>I it just my messages or has the long wished for HTML to text
>functionality silently been implemented even on email source that is
>HTML _only_ (that is no plain text multipart)?  
>
>When I display HTML messages of such HTMl-only messages as plain text,
>_all_ the vital info (though not the formatting), inlcuding such things
>as web URLs, that in the source is within HTML tags, is now in plain text.
>
>I just love it! For many messages I'll keep viewing them in HTML, but
>for those I just want the basics from I sure will turn'em to plain text
>more often.
>
>So now I only need a script that takes HTML attachments and turn those
>to plain text and put them in the message body. I have some mailing
>lists that put HTML messages as attachments to empty bodies, so that
>would make them more useful. Anyone else into that idea?

Yes, that would be extremely useful. 

HTML-only to text conversion working now?

[MB]

I it just my messages or has the long wished for HTML to text
functionality silently been implemented even on email source that is
HTML _only_ (that is no plain text multipart)?  

When I display HTML messages of such HTMl-only messages as plain text,
_all_ the vital info (though not the formatting), inlcuding such things
as web URLs, that in the source is within HTML tags, is now in plain text.

I just love it! For many messages I'll keep viewing them in HTML, but
for those I just want the basics from I sure will turn'em to plain text
more often.

So now I only need a script that takes HTML attachments and turn those
to plain text and put them in the message body. I have some mailing
lists that put HTML messages as attachments to empty bodies, so that
would make them more useful. Anyone else into that idea?

Mikael

Tech facts:
PM 5.5.3 Swedish/SpamSieve 2.6.4 Swedish | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD

HTML-only to text conversion working now?

[MB]

I it just my messages or has the long wished for HTML to text
functionality silently been implemented even on email source that is
HTML _only_ (that is no plain text multipart)?  

When I display HTML messagesof such HTMl-only messages as plain text,
_all_ the vital info (though not the formatting), inlcuding such things
as web URLs, that in the source is within HTML tags, is now in plain text.

I just love it! For many messages I'll keep viewing them in HTML, but
for those I just want the basics from I sure will turn'em to plain text
more often.

So now I only need a script that takes HTML attachments and turn those
to plain text and put them in the message body. I have some mailing
lists that put HTML messages as attachments to empty bodies, so that
would make them more useful. Anyone else into that idea?

Mikael

Tech facts:
PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook G4/400 Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD

Re: forwarding HTML messages

[Tim Hodgson]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 17:25 +0100, Carl Darby wrote:

>Is there any way to redirect HTML using Powermail. Occassionally I get
>an email which has quite a lot of html in it but when I either FORWARD
>or REDIRECT it the html is stripped.

I've found that redirecting (but not forwarding) does preserve the HTML.
If you check the list archives I think you'll find that's the general,
though not universal, experience.

-- 
TimH

PowerMail 5.5.2 (build 4475) | OS X 10.4.9 | PowerBook FW/500 | 1GB RAM

Re: redirecting HTML Emails

[Steve Tarpin]

I am away for a few weeks, maybe more, and will not available by;
email;  telephonic instrumentation; text, electronic, telepathic or any
other sort of messaging. I will reply to  carrier-pigeon (or pelican for
that matter) messages ONLY! If this is of the utmost importance, you
will be able to seek out our telephone number and call us. Someone will
be able to assist you, but it ain't gonna be me...

I'm going fishin'

regards...

Steve
>Is there any way to Redirect HTML emails which contain things such as
>animation. Up until now whenever I have attempted this the animation
>doesn't work and the pictures are simply sent as attachments. Forwarding
>the email simply strips the HTML.
>
>Ta.
>
>Carl
>
>

redirecting HTML Emails

[Carl Darby]

Is there any way to Redirect HTML emails which contain things such as
animation. Up until now whenever I have attempted this the animation
doesn't work and the pictures are simply sent as attachments. Forwarding
the email simply strips the HTML.

Ta.

Carl

Re: HTML globe button behaviour

[Richard Hart]

Rick Lecoat wrote:

>Is there any way to change prefs to [view in Web browser] 
>via a quick click rather than having to click and hold?

I vote for that behavior, too. I never choose "View HTML". I always
choose to see it in my browser.

Richard Hart

HTML globe button behaviour

[Rick Lecoat]

Currently, the little globe button exhibits the following behaviour:

Quick click: loads HTML version of email into mail browser.
Click and hold: a) View message in web browser
b) Show HTML

I always opt to view the message in a web browser (Click and hold, opt. A).
Is there any way to change prefs to obtain this action via a quick click
rather than having to click and hold? (I know this sounds REALLY lazy,
but those seconds add up, and I'm just S busy ;-)).

Rick
-- 
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Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email

[Mikael Byström]

Marlyse Comte said:

>I am sorry to see that you think of this as an error and something that
>needs to be fixed because in fact it is a feature request that you have

No, it's not. It's a bug fix request, not a feature. Get over it.

Mikael

Tech facts:
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Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email

[Mikael Byström]

Winston Weinmann said:

>If PowerMail sent all HTML email to a web browser for reading I could
>live with that. But if it can display HTML email, and print it, it
>should do so in the same way as every other Mac program. What it does
>now is neither standard nor intuitive.

This is stating the obvious, Winston. I leave it to CTM to decide when
and what to fix, but pretending it's not a bug to not be able to print
what you can display, is just too silly. Sorry, Marlese.

>HTML support is
>not the issue, printing is the issue.

Exactly.

Mikael

Tech facts:
PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD

Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email

[Matthias Schmidt]

Am/On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:10:41 -0400 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann:

>How much would that be? Dollars, Euros or Kuna? (or Swiss Francs?)

a lot of course ... in Schweizer Franken on a numbered account
and the Euros you can send to me :-D


Thanks and all the best

Matthias

Re(2): OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email

[Winston Weinmann]

How much would that be? Dollars, Euros or Kuna? (or Swiss Francs?)

- Winston



p.s. So you don't have to Google, Kuna are Croatian currency.  ;-)



>Am/On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:20:17 -0400 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann:
>
>>Printing via a web browser is still a work-around. Printing via the web
>>browser is what I normally do, but sometimes I either forget, or HTML
>>mail looks enough like text mail that I don't realize I need to do this.
>>I also get caught with not having clicked into the email text box, so
>>get a lot of blank pages with a header printed.
>>
>>This is not a minor defect. Yes, I wish everyone still used text email,
>>but that's not the reality. Probably 98% of the email I get is HTML. I
>>don't have any other program on my Mac which cannot print properly.*
>>This needs to be fixed.
>
>send a money order with a proper sum on it to ctmdev and they'll fix is
>asap :-D
>
>actually I don't consider it to be so important.
>99.9 % of mail I get is text and I rarely need to print a mail.
>
>
>Thanks and all the best
>
>Matthias
>
>