Re: 38 GB partitioning advice

[Jon Haugsand]

* Joe Polk
> 
> I typically partition as follows:
> /boot - can be very small, around 50-75MB. I think RH8 recommends 75mb.
> / - I like to make this fairly large, but not the largest since it 
>   houses everything not specified elsewhere.
> /home - If you intend to have lots of users or share a lot of files,
>   then it's good to have this be the bulk of your space. I create my
>   Samba shares here, so this makes sense for me.
> /var  - If you're going to be moving mail for users, then this should
>   have it's own partition and be fairly large.
> /usr  - Very important partition because the more applications you add,
>   the bigger this directory will get.
> /tmp  - Some people make a separate partition for /tmp but provided / is
>   large enough it isn't necessary.

Well, shouldn't / be kept small so that you can boot even with disk
errors?  

> SWAP  - Always make a decent swap partition! At least 256MB, but more if
>   you have a lot of RAM.

I always thought this is odd, and to the layman it seems that it
should be the other way around...  (Like the saying that you have to
have money if you want to get rich.)


Anyway, if you do not plan to reinstall very soon, using LVM is the
trick.  Then you can give and take disk space whenever you like to do
this.

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Re: Oracle install problems?

[Jon Haugsand]

* Dan Dobbs
> Make sure you have Java 1.1.8 installed. It's rather picky about the
> version. You should be able to download an RPM or tarball from Sun.

Doesn't that follow with Oracle?

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RHCE Exam, doing it now or wait.

[Peter van der Does]

OK,
 
So here I am, a RHCE 8 exam coming up next week and the 
weekend after that RHCE 9 is in the stores.
Should I do it or wait for the RHCE 9 Exam.
 
Darn upgrades.
 
Peter

porting from 32 bit to 64 bit linux

[Prasanta Sadhukhan]

Hello,

I want to port linux(redhat linux 8.0) driver from 32 bit to 64 bit
Intel architecture.
Can anyone tell me what change has to be done in driver code to support
64 bit architecture... or where can I find relevant information.
Will the same change work for 32 bit architecture also.

Any help will be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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RE: Access to the code

[Milanuk, Monte]

> -Original Message-
> From: Mohammed Awad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:10 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: Access to the code
> 
> 
> Dear all,
> I'm on my way to install redhat 8.0 for resarch purposes. My 
> point is would I be able to get access to the source code of 
> the kernel or even some parts of it (which ones?) , in order 
> to modify the source ? If not, then where could I get the 
> source code of the kernel, then? Thanks in advance Moh Awad.

The source code for the kernel should be either installed (check
/usr/src/linux) or available as an additional (large) package that you can
install from your install media.  IIRC, it goes by something like
kernel-source-.rpm, i.e.
kernel-source-2.4.17-i686.rpm.  It's been a while since I've dinked w/ this
specifically, so hopefully it's somewhat close.  This version of the kernel
is the one that RedHat uses, which may be slightly different than the plain
'vanilla' one you would find at www.kernel.org, which is where the main hub
of Linux kernel development resides.

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Re: Access to the code

[Ed . Greshko]

On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Mohammed Awad wrote:

> I'm on my way to install redhat 8.0 for resarch purposes. My point is would
> I be able to get access to the source code of the kernel or even some parts
> of it (which ones?) , in order to modify the source ?
> If not, then where could I get the source code of the kernel, then?

Of course you can get the source code.  That's what openSource is all
about.

How did you get your copy of RH 8?  You should have 6 CDs.  3+ of which
have rpms of all of the source.

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Access to the code

[Mohammed Awad]

Dear all,
I'm on my way to install redhat 8.0 for resarch purposes. My point is would
I be able to get access to the source code of the kernel or even some parts
of it (which ones?) , in order to modify the source ?
If not, then where could I get the source code of the kernel, then?
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Re: changing server domain name

[Michael Wardle]

On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 15:20, Steve Buehler wrote:
> I just had a redhat linux 7.3 box setup and they gave it the wrong domain 
> name.  Besides the /etc/sysconfig/network file what files do I need to 
> change?  Any help would be appreciated.

To change the DNS domain name:
1. Place an entry in /etc/sysctl.conf such as:
   kernel.domainname = example.com

   I think this ensures that the getdomainname() system call and the
   dnsdomainname utility return your domain name.

2. Place an entry in /etc/sysconfig/network such as:
   DOMAIN=example.com

   I think this ensures that /etc/resolv.conf contains your domain name.

To change the NIS/YP domain name:
1. Create a file /etc/defaultdomain that contains:
   example.com

   I don't think Red Hat Linux actually obeys this one! :-)

2. Place an entry in /etc/sysconfig/network such as:
   NISDOMAIN=example.com

   I think this makes ypbind connect to this NIS domain.

Hope this helps

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RE: changing server domain name

[santosh kumar]

I think u have to edit /etc/resolv.conf also... & restart the
/etc/init.d/xinetd 

Regds,
santosh

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Subject: changing server domain name


I just had a redhat linux 7.3 box setup and they gave it the wrong
domain 
name.  Besides the /etc/sysconfig/network file what files do I need to 
change?  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Steve



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Re: grub can boot from the grub.conf

[winglion]

sorry! that I had got out of  following the disgussion!
I had drop from this maillist for few days and received no email!
I didn't know why! Now, I had subscribed by a new mail box!

I had read your answer on the webpage(it cost me an hour to 
find my thread again! The search of the maillist didn't work 
 at all!
   
   Let's go back to the problem of grub!
> > (hd0,5) is /dev/hdb6 which is your swap partition according to
> >the partition table you posted earlier:
> 
> >I would have expected you to install GRUB with root=(hd0,4). 
> 
> >Why GRUB thinks that (hd0,5) is ext2, is beyond me. Maybe the
> >partition type has been set wrongly. Check with "fdisk -l /dev/hdb"
> >since "parted" displays the installed file-system. 
> 
> >But since you had mentioned the initial installation worked, maybe
> >you played with the BIOS settings and disabled LBA or anything like
> >that. 
   I had try to setup GRUB with root=(hd0,4)
 and it told me that it can't recognize the partition type!
 I think it may recognized (hd0,4) as the extension partition!
 
 I had try "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" as you told me before ,the result is the same!
 
 I am interesting on the BIOS seting you told !
 Actually I did't touch the  BIOS myself! It's setup by the sailer!
 Can you tell me more about it!
>There's nothing further I can do when you insist on specifying your
>swap partition as GRUB root device.
 As I had tool you before I set root(hd0,5) and boot my redhat fine!
 So I think (hd0,5) is my / ,not the swap! 
 And I think it is actually where the question is:why the GRUB recognize the 
 / as (hd0,5) which should be (hd0,4)!




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changing server domain name

[Steve Buehler]

I just had a redhat linux 7.3 box setup and they gave it the wrong domain 
name.  Besides the /etc/sysconfig/network file what files do I need to 
change?  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Steve


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Problems enabling DMA on /dev/cdrom with hdparm

[alan . snyder]

I am running RedHat 8.0 on a Dell Dimension Desktop 8200 with a DVD-ROM drive as
my /dev/hdc (/dev/cdrom) device. Whenever I try to run the command below on my
cdrom, also /dev/hdc, I get the following...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] sbin]# ./hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom

/dev/cdrom:
 setting using_dma to 1 (on)
 HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
 using_dma=  0 (off)

I get the exact same message when I do this command on /dev/hdc as well...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] sbin]# ./hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc

/dev/hdc:
 setting using_dma to 1 (on)
 HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
 using_dma=  0 (off)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sbin]#

I am logged into KDE as 'alan', then I do 'su' to root in a bash shell. When I
execute the command above, I get the message 'Operation not permitted'. I don't
quite understand why because I'm logged in as root. 

Any thoughts??
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Binary compatibility statement between RH Linux 7.2/8.0 and Linux Advanced Server...

[Greenberg, Michael]

Hello,
 
We have customers 
requesting our products on RH Linux 7.2, RH Linux 8.0, and RH 
Linux
Advanced Server. I 
am trying to determine if there is any binary compatibility statement 
between
RH Linux 7.2/8.0 and 
RH Linux Advanced Server.
 
Is it expected that 
applications built on either RH Linux 7.2 or 8.0 will run on RH Linux Advanced 

Server, or is it 
necessary to build applications built on 7.2/8.0 when migrating to Advanced 
Server?
 
Any insight into 
this area anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.
 
Regards,
Mike
 
 
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Technologies
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Re: how to access Linux pc from another Windows PC

[Samuel Flory]

Limb wrote:

Sorry for making you have to see that bad word.. but anyways... How can
i conenct to my linux box from another pc and compile/edit C++ stuff on
it? 

 You should use ssh.  There are a number of windows clients.   I prefer 
putty or ssh from cgywin.  Of course with cygwin you can just install 
gcc, and compile things from windows;-)

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
http://www.cygwin.com/
Also how do i get my network assigned IP? i can't find it from any
network/ethernet config editors.
 

Try `/sbin/ifconfig` from a command prompt.  I'm sure that there is some 
neat gui, but ifconfig always works.

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Re: upgrading your system... my experience

[Tony Preston]

Intresting enought I upgraded my computer which was a 500 Mhz PIII.  I got 
a 1 GZH PIII (new motherboard, added memory).   Since neither system was
mine (side project) and I had all my stuff on the HD, I pulled my HD and 
swapped it for the HD on the new machine.  

The HD has a dual boot of Win 98se and RH 6.2 (I have since added a third
OS RH 8.0).  First the Win 98se story...

It crapped its drawers with all the changes it saw...  memory added, different
motherboard, it was a totally frustrating experience ending in a wipe and reload
of Win 98se...  It literally could not handle the upgrade.  I had triple entries in
the registry, nothing worked, it barely ran...

RH 6.2 was a totally different story, it recognized the new stuff, forgot about
the old stuff and booted normally (even recognized the change in video cards!).
I was absolutely amazed (especially after the Win 98 experience).

I know this is like preaching to the choir, but I really was expecting a bit more
than just rebooting to upgrade just about everything:)


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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Edward Dekkers
>Sent: 24. mars 2003 02:11
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Installing a new motherboard - anything special to do?
>
>
>> I would like to get a new motherboard with faster CPU. I am running RH
>> 8.0. If I just plug in the board and boot up will RH8.0 recognize the
>> new board and the hardware?
>
>Never heard of a brand named 'new'.
>
>Seriously though - how are we supposed to know when you don't specify
>Make &
>Model, nor what other devices you are running (SCSI? IDE?).
>
>Improve the question.
>
>Regards,
>
>---
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>Triple D Computer Services P/L

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =


Best regards.
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Re: Multiple identical NFS mounts under RH8

[Samuel Flory]

Michael Mansour wrote:

Hi,

I think I've found a bug in RH8's NFS.

I have 3 Red Hat machines, 2 of the RH8 and 1 RH6.2

On one of the RH8 machines, I export a filesystem,
while the other RH8 and RH6.2 machines mount that
exported filesystem.
On the RH8 client, I can mount the filesystem many
times as shown (df -k output):
testserv:/data01  8744304   6903844   1840460 
79% /mnt/testserv
testserv:/data01  8744304   6903844   1840460 
79% /mnt/testserv
testserv:/data01  8744304   6903844   1840460 
79% /mnt/testserv
testserv:/data01  8744304   6903844   1840460 
79% /mnt/testserv
testserv:/data01  8744304   6903844   1840460 
79% /mnt/testserv

and a cat of my mtab:

testserv:/data01 /mnt/testserv nfs
rw,addr=203.14.211.9 0 0
testserv:/data01 /mnt/testserv nfs
rw,addr=203.14.211.9 0 0
testserv:/data01 /mnt/testserv nfs
rw,addr=203.14.211.9 0 0
testserv:/data01 /mnt/testserv nfs
rw,addr=203.14.211.9 0 0
testserv:/data01 /mnt/testserv nfs
rw,addr=203.14.211.9 0 0
while on my RH6.2 machine, when I try to mount the
/mnt/testserv directory:
mount: testserv:/data01 already mounted or
/mnt/testserv busy
mount: according to mtab, testserv:/data01 is already
mounted on /mnt/testserv
Has anyone else experienced this issue before?

BTW, I can dismount each and every RH8 mount point one
at a time also. Weird.
 



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Re: RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Ed Wilts]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 10:13:21PM -0500, Joe Polk wrote:
> As for the RHCE, I'm going for
> the LPI. I think being neutral is the way to go for now, but things can
> change. I hope not, I am all for distro-neutral certification.

IMHO a distro-neutral certification is a computing science degree.  I've
seen way too many people fight between differences in Unices that I
personally don't believe a distro-neutral certification is worth it.
HPUX admins struggle on Solaris and vice-versa.  Linux admins struggle
on Solaris and HPUX (where the heck is bash anyway? :-)).

Perhaps I'm showing my bias but I don't like *any* certifications.  Show
me somebody who's got the theory and the braincells and I'll teach him
the syntax.  If you know what you're trying to do rather than just
regurgitating what you learned, then it doesn't matter if it's Linux or
VMS.

.../Ed (B.Sc. but no other certifications)
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Re: RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Ed Wilts]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 08:35:34PM -0500, Jared Brick wrote:
> I disagree, I think there are several valid reasons to be annoyed by Red
> Hat's latest move. Most of which have to do with running Red Hat in an
> enterprise environment.

In an enterprise environment, Red Hat is targeting Red Hat Enterprise
Linux - Advanced Server, Edge Server, and Advanced Workstation.
Please go visit http://www.redhat.com/software and see who the target
audience is for the "Community Products".
 
> How on Earth does this look in the least bit professional? Was 8.0 the
> beta for 9.0? Six months for a major version number? This comes off as a
> poor management decision, it makes Red Hat appear unstable. Between
> their release of a bunch of "enterprise" distributions, the recent cut
> off of rhn and two major releases in six months, Red Hat looks desperate
> for sources of income. Big corporations won't base their infrastructure
> on a company that doesn't look like it's going to be around next year.

Red Hat is merely positioning their products better.  The way I see it,
8.x and 9.x are targeted to the "bleeding edge" community - those who
want the latest features and don't care if they have to upgrade every
year.  I see daily postings from people who want the latest version of
package x.  This is typically in direct competition with those who want
long-term stability.  You can not be leading edge and stable at the same
time.  8.x and 9.x are more likely the beta for Enterprise Linux. 

Big corporations don't want 8.x or 9.x.  They want Enterprise Linux with
a longer lifecycle and better support.  It's what I'm in the process of
buying at my office.

Did you see enterprises going to Solaris 9 shortly after it shipped?
How about Windows XP - do you see that on every business desktop?  Heck,
many big organizations are still on NT 4.0 (we're still in the process
of migrating to Win2K).

I've been managing enterprise servers for about 20 years (yes, I predate
the Internet if you can believe it!).  I have *no* certifications other
than a computing science degree but I know what I'm doing and my systems
are stable.  The motto on my office door (back when I had a door :-))
said "when downtime is not an option".  I've seen big companies big
(Wang, Data General, Digital) die and small companies wither away.  Many
smaller companies have popped up and grown into big companies.  I'll be
still around when other big companies will also die off (Sun IMHO).  I
see Red Hat doing some smart things and I'll go on record as saying that
Red Hat will outlive Sun (and if you're going to flame me, do it via
e-mail, not via this list - I won't respond).

> Why would I want to support another distribution? I was only now
> starting to place 8.0 in non critical systems, now you expect me to
> support 7.X, 8.X, and 9.X. And don't give me the "they have AS for that"
> argument, show me the company that will pay for AS for a nameserver and
> I'll show you a company going out of business next week. Red Hat can
> leverage administrators familiarity with their product to sell the AS
> product line for mission critical systems such as Oracle Databases, but
> if Red Hat decides to shoot itself in the foot like Caldera did, don't
> think I won't switch distributions in a second.

Go ahead and switch distributions in a second.  I can go to my
collection of Linux distributions that I picked up at Linuxworld in NYC
in 2000 and trim that down by about 75% to those are still in business.
There are probably a hundred or so Linux distributions - those that I'd
even consider running my business on are less than a handful and Red Hat
is at the top of that list.

I can easily justify Edge Server to run my nameservers at work.  The
effort it takes to plan and upgrade a server easily costs more than it
does to put in ES, apply regular security updates, and essentially leave 
it alone for a few years.  Our nameservers are still running 6.2 so you
can tell how leading edge we really want to be.  Do I want to fight my
stability requirements with those that are demanding KDE 3.1 and Gnome
2.2 plus the latest xmms updates?  Not bloody likely.  Do I care about
the bleading edge enhancements to IDE in the 2.5.x kernels?  Nope.  Do I
even care about USB?  Nope - USB belongs on the desktop, not in the data
center.  Do I even care about nVidia drivers?  Not at work.  I'll pop in
ES and let 'em work for a while.  
 
> Linux distributions often just don't seem to get it, RH will never be
> Microsoft, they won't even be Sun, Red Hat is in a prime position to
> take the lion's share of enterprise Linux, and make some decent money in
> doing so, I fail to see the point of shenanigans like this.

Have you considered the possibility that you may not get it?  Red Hat
has been in business for 10 years.  Most Linux distributors - whom you
seem to think probably "got it" - are long gone.  Red Hat probably
doesn't want to be another Microsoft.  They don't need to be to be
profitable and remai

Re: RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Joe Polk]

I see your point and it was kind of my point. This appears to be a step
in the wrong direction. I'm with you, if more of this type of unusual
behavior occurs, it will only hurt them.  As for the RHCE, I'm going for
the LPI. I think being neutral is the way to go for now, but things can
change. I hope not, I am all for distro-neutral certification.

<>

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 20:35, Jared Brick wrote:
> I disagree, I think there are several valid reasons to be annoyed by Red
> Hat's latest move. Most of which have to do with running Red Hat in an
> enterprise environment.
> 
> Why should third parties develop for an ever changing platform? Already
> it's hard enough to convince them that there is a large enough user
> base, now try and explain to them that there will be a major version
> change at seemingly random times.
> 
> How on Earth does this look in the least bit professional? Was 8.0 the
> beta for 9.0? Six months for a major version number? This comes off as a
> poor management decision, it makes Red Hat appear unstable. Between
> their release of a bunch of "enterprise" distributions, the recent cut
> off of rhn and two major releases in six months, Red Hat looks desperate
> for sources of income. Big corporations won't base their infrastructure
> on a company that doesn't look like it's going to be around next year.
> 
> Why would I want to support another distribution? I was only now
> starting to place 8.0 in non critical systems, now you expect me to
> support 7.X, 8.X, and 9.X. And don't give me the "they have AS for that"
> argument, show me the company that will pay for AS for a nameserver and
> I'll show you a company going out of business next week. Red Hat can
> leverage administrators familiarity with their product to sell the AS
> product line for mission critical systems such as Oracle Databases, but
> if Red Hat decides to shoot itself in the foot like Caldera did, don't
> think I won't switch distributions in a second.
> 
> I was planning on becoming a RHCE, but this is seriously giving me
> second thoughts. Even if Red Hat extends the length of their
> certification what's the point? "I'm certified on Red Hat 9.0", "oh well
> we're using Red Hat 12.0 here so that doesn't mean much" And don't
> laugh, the guys that actually give weight to certifications are the same
> guys that think like this.
> 
> Linux distributions often just don't seem to get it, RH will never be
> Microsoft, they won't even be Sun, Red Hat is in a prime position to
> take the lion's share of enterprise Linux, and make some decent money in
> doing so, I fail to see the point of shenanigans like this.
> 
> Jared
> 
> On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 19:41, Ed Wilts wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 05:33:07PM -0500, Joe Polk wrote:
> > > While I would agree with what most have been saying, namely that RH can
> > > do whatever they damn well pleases, I don't necessarily like the trend.
> > > Caldera has consistently alienated the Linux community starting with
> > > tactics much like this. I used Caldera back in the day and loved it. But
> > > they didn't seem interested in the end user, unless you were an end user
> > > at a big company.  I'm not saying this is the direction that RH is
> > > going, but they have taken some steps down that road. Let's hope they
> > > can see where at leads WITHOUT having to tread the entire length. 
> > > Again, they can do what they please but that doesn't mean there aren't
> > > consequences. The consequences here could very well be a disgruntled
> > > user base that simply goes elsewhere. While they won't hurt the existing
> > > base of corporate users right now, it will keep people from suggesting
> > > RH in the future which ultimately will hurt them.  
> > 
> > Wow.  Red Hat bumped the version number from the expected 8.1 to 9 and
> > now you're saying people will stop suggesting Red Hat?  A disgruntled
> > user base that simply goes elsewhere?  A little dramatic don't you
> > think?
> > 
> > Let's step back and put it all into perspective.  Red Hat sent out an
> > e-mail via chtah.com announcing Red Hat Linux 9, when it would be
> > generally available, how to get it early, and suddenly everybody's so
> > annoyed they're jumping distributions?  Take a deep breath, pop a valium 
> > and slowly back away from the keyboard.
> > 
> > -- 
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> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program
> 
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Re: beta install change not good?

[Jack Bowling]

** Reply to message from Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 24 Mar 2003 
19:27:20 -0700


> That said, RH is already beginning to differentiate between Enterprise
> and non-enterprise. Since the "personal" is the base for sales (as in:
> the "smallest" one), that would be a good start, IMO. Personally, I
> install much more like a cross between server/workstation as personal,
> but that's me. 

And this would be a mistaken assumption. They plan on making their money on the 
Enterprise version, not the desktop version.

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Re: beta install change not good?

[Bill Anderson]

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 18:47, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Bill Anderson wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 17:08, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:26:48PM -0700, Bill Anderson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Also: "Minimal installations currently require more than a single CD."
> > > >
> > > > Seems like a bug to me. Why not arrange them such that the most commonly
> > > > used and smallest installs be on the first disc, then the second, and
> > > > the third being for the least often installed options?
> > >
> > > This is what Red Hat did for the last few releases. I believe 8.0 (or
> > > is it 7.3) shipped without a i585 kernel because there wasn't enough
> > > space on the first CD to include (this was fixed in errata since there's
> > > no space limit there). I suspect it became impossible to fit the base
> > > install on the first CD.
> >
> > Maybe, but I think it is just amatter of not planning on it. The
> > "minimum" install is ~450MB. Surely that can be fit on one CD? :^) SuSE
> > has a similar problem last I knew. To do a base installation required a
> > little bit from each and every damned disc.
> 
> Don't forget, there are kernels (UP and MP) and glibc for multiple
> architectures that all have to be on the first disk if single-disk
> installation on all platforms is to be supported.  Also, the install
> software, images, and some of the docs need to be there too.  That's
> probably close to 100MB right there, maybe more.

I know, yet hat leaves ~600Mb of room on the iso. ;^) But since we are
talking about the RH distribution, and more specifically, the personal
desktop install option, I don't see that as a problem. See below for
details. :^)

> 
> > Then again, maybe "base" needs to be trimmed down anyway. I expect the
> > "personal desktop" could indeed fit on one disc, if the rest of it was
> > moved to the secondary and tertiary discs. If memory serves, RPMs do
> > *some* compression; 2:1 shouldn't be that hard to do. That'd put the
> > "workstation" in range of a single disc.
> 
> Of course one man's base is another man's bloat.  "Personal desktop" might
> fit, but I want server stuff.  "Server" might fit, but you want
> "Workstation".  That would be a fun new religious topic, instead of vi vs.
> emacs or whatever...

That could be a refreshing Linux war for a change. ;)

That said, RH is already beginning to differentiate between Enterprise
and non-enterprise. Since the "personal" is the base for sales (as in:
the "smallest" one), that would be a good start, IMO. Personally, I
install much more like a cross between server/workstation as personal,
but that's me.

IMO, the "personal desktop" install option, being somewhat "dependant"
on i386 should install using only the first disc. Go beyond that and it
is more sensible to start going over multiple discs. At minimum "minimum
install possible" option should not need three discs, that's silly, IMO.

As an instructor who needs to insall on the sites I go to, I look at it
this way:
The most common use of personal should be optimized for the single disc
install. It decreases the number of discs, and speeds my install. This
is not an insignificant difference. Unfortunately, not all sites I've
gone to have a 100MB network, instead running 10MB through a hub -- an
install of half a dozen or more desktops over that network is s s s s s
s l l l l l l o o o o o o o o o ow. 

If I can drop a single disc in, get them all started, and move on to
something else, it cuts down my prep time dramtically.

That's why for Linux Fundamentals, and general admin/shell scripting
classes I've found Debian a better platform. One disc has made a major
difference in time spent there.

I'm not advocating (here) what should constitute a given "install
package", just that the "minimum" and/or the "personal desktop" should
not require all the discs, just the first one. Not advocating package
change, just disc sequencing. ;)

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Re: grep reg expression confusion

[Ben Russo]

Mike Vanecek wrote:

Been at it too long, looked in the Reg Expression book, but just can not see
it. Would some kind soul please tell what I am doing wrong here:
I want to look at messages and ignore lines that have asia1 or asia2 in them:

grep -vie '(asia1|asia2)'  /var/log/messages | less

I have tried several different combinations, but obviously not the correct one.

TIA, Mike.

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Re: Keep receiving bounced messages

[Paul Greene]

No.

It means someone else that is subscribed to Redhat-List is having 
problems with their e-mail, and when it bounces from their account, it 
gets bounced back to you because you were the original sender.

Paul

Michael Mansour wrote:

Hi,

When I post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I keep receiving
this undeliverable message from someone or some system
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Re: beta install change not good?

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Bill Anderson wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 17:08, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:26:48PM -0700, Bill Anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > Also: "Minimal installations currently require more than a single CD."
> > >
> > > Seems like a bug to me. Why not arrange them such that the most commonly
> > > used and smallest installs be on the first disc, then the second, and
> > > the third being for the least often installed options?
> >
> > This is what Red Hat did for the last few releases. I believe 8.0 (or
> > is it 7.3) shipped without a i585 kernel because there wasn't enough
> > space on the first CD to include (this was fixed in errata since there's
> > no space limit there). I suspect it became impossible to fit the base
> > install on the first CD.
>
> Maybe, but I think it is just amatter of not planning on it. The
> "minimum" install is ~450MB. Surely that can be fit on one CD? :^) SuSE
> has a similar problem last I knew. To do a base installation required a
> little bit from each and every damned disc.

Don't forget, there are kernels (UP and MP) and glibc for multiple
architectures that all have to be on the first disk if single-disk
installation on all platforms is to be supported.  Also, the install
software, images, and some of the docs need to be there too.  That's
probably close to 100MB right there, maybe more.

> Then again, maybe "base" needs to be trimmed down anyway. I expect the
> "personal desktop" could indeed fit on one disc, if the rest of it was
> moved to the secondary and tertiary discs. If memory serves, RPMs do
> *some* compression; 2:1 shouldn't be that hard to do. That'd put the
> "workstation" in range of a single disc.

Of course one man's base is another man's bloat.  "Personal desktop" might
fit, but I want server stuff.  "Server" might fit, but you want
"Workstation".  That would be a fun new religious topic, instead of vi vs.
emacs or whatever...

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Re: RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Jared Brick]

I disagree, I think there are several valid reasons to be annoyed by Red
Hat's latest move. Most of which have to do with running Red Hat in an
enterprise environment.

Why should third parties develop for an ever changing platform? Already
it's hard enough to convince them that there is a large enough user
base, now try and explain to them that there will be a major version
change at seemingly random times.

How on Earth does this look in the least bit professional? Was 8.0 the
beta for 9.0? Six months for a major version number? This comes off as a
poor management decision, it makes Red Hat appear unstable. Between
their release of a bunch of "enterprise" distributions, the recent cut
off of rhn and two major releases in six months, Red Hat looks desperate
for sources of income. Big corporations won't base their infrastructure
on a company that doesn't look like it's going to be around next year.

Why would I want to support another distribution? I was only now
starting to place 8.0 in non critical systems, now you expect me to
support 7.X, 8.X, and 9.X. And don't give me the "they have AS for that"
argument, show me the company that will pay for AS for a nameserver and
I'll show you a company going out of business next week. Red Hat can
leverage administrators familiarity with their product to sell the AS
product line for mission critical systems such as Oracle Databases, but
if Red Hat decides to shoot itself in the foot like Caldera did, don't
think I won't switch distributions in a second.

I was planning on becoming a RHCE, but this is seriously giving me
second thoughts. Even if Red Hat extends the length of their
certification what's the point? "I'm certified on Red Hat 9.0", "oh well
we're using Red Hat 12.0 here so that doesn't mean much" And don't
laugh, the guys that actually give weight to certifications are the same
guys that think like this.

Linux distributions often just don't seem to get it, RH will never be
Microsoft, they won't even be Sun, Red Hat is in a prime position to
take the lion's share of enterprise Linux, and make some decent money in
doing so, I fail to see the point of shenanigans like this.

Jared

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 19:41, Ed Wilts wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 05:33:07PM -0500, Joe Polk wrote:
> > While I would agree with what most have been saying, namely that RH can
> > do whatever they damn well pleases, I don't necessarily like the trend.
> > Caldera has consistently alienated the Linux community starting with
> > tactics much like this. I used Caldera back in the day and loved it. But
> > they didn't seem interested in the end user, unless you were an end user
> > at a big company.  I'm not saying this is the direction that RH is
> > going, but they have taken some steps down that road. Let's hope they
> > can see where at leads WITHOUT having to tread the entire length. 
> > Again, they can do what they please but that doesn't mean there aren't
> > consequences. The consequences here could very well be a disgruntled
> > user base that simply goes elsewhere. While they won't hurt the existing
> > base of corporate users right now, it will keep people from suggesting
> > RH in the future which ultimately will hurt them.  
> 
> Wow.  Red Hat bumped the version number from the expected 8.1 to 9 and
> now you're saying people will stop suggesting Red Hat?  A disgruntled
> user base that simply goes elsewhere?  A little dramatic don't you
> think?
> 
> Let's step back and put it all into perspective.  Red Hat sent out an
> e-mail via chtah.com announcing Red Hat Linux 9, when it would be
> generally available, how to get it early, and suddenly everybody's so
> annoyed they're jumping distributions?  Take a deep breath, pop a valium 
> and slowly back away from the keyboard.
> 
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> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Using serial port

[Joe Polk]

Glad it's working for you. Yes, I too was a Procomm user. There was also
a ProcommPlus for DOS back in the day even before the Windows version.
It was simply a little more robust. And remember Telix!? I never liked
it, but a lot of my buds used it. We're showing our age here...ugh.

<>

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 20:13, Al Sparks wrote:
> I'd just like to say, as someone who was just "lurking", that this
> advice about minicom was great.  I had been trying to redirect input
> from ttyS0 to a file using
>$ cat /dev/ttyS0 >> somefile
> and all I was getting was garbage.  I was in the process of trying to
> figure out stty settings, when I saw the post of Michael Mansour
> and Joe Polk suggesting minicom.
> 
> I had posted my own question on this subject before in February, and
> Gene Yoo also suggested minicom, but I had forgotten about that,
> focusing on the "cat" solution Cameron Simpson had suggested.  It
> looks like Gene has since switched to gtkterm (or maybe he uses both).
> 
> Minicom is great.  If you've ever used Procomm (the old DOS version,
> not Procomm Plus for Windows), then using minicom will be a snap.  The
> interface is similar.
> 
> Anyway, thanks.
>=== Al
> 
> 
> --- Michael Mansour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You can also use minicom to do that.
> > 
> > Michael.
> > 
> > --- Gene Yoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Francisco Garcia wrote:
> > > > Hi, I need to use my serial port (COM1) to attach
> > > my laptop to a Cisco
> > > > router's console port. I am using RH 8 and I want
> > > to know how to
> > > > configure the port and what application I must use
> > > to open a console
> > > > session in my Cisco router.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
> > > > Francisco Garcia
> > > > Network Engineer
> > > > Marcatel International
> > > > +52 55 55674081
> > > > Mexico City
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > francisco, i use a program called gtkterm, nice
> > > replacement 
> > > for hyperterm.
> > > -- 
> > > <>
> > > 
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux)
> > > 
> > >
> > iQCUAwUBPhxERRxoVYCzmrKXAQJK5gP3Y7CTsFyKpEz2p5W4GWI9+qSm+kWfdJ0R
> > >
> > xNlma0Ma9rAL/OBJcZMo5IXyXas+3Edogbv4Al6dIf8lot1WS0Iaxxl/cg2f7gf+
> > >
> > otf7LfNpZDE/6OzR7A1qN6baPMLSjGzywwQWMfSVuWWb6kGQxMsA13Kn68G7Ozxs
> > > 5CODZqUPyg==
> > > =AolA
> > > -END PGP SIGNATURE-
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: Is RH8 Ever Going to be Updated?

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, J. M. Brenner wrote:

>
> "Daniel A. Chartrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Uhh, I though the purpose of a mailing list was to avoid
> > trolls?
>
> No, the purpose of the redhat-list is to listen to people
> squeal like a stuck pig if anyone dares to say anything
> critical about redhat.

Could've fooled me.  Here I was thinking it was about listening to 1/3 of
the posters bitch and moan that RH was moving too fast in the wrong
direction whenever a new release was announced and another 1/3 groan and
sigh that it was being too conservative about upgrading package versions
in old releases the rest of the time.

Live and learn...

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Re: Cannot Log Into Redhat 8.0

[CM Miller]

>> I've rebooted a few times.  Is there anyway around
>> this?

A wiseman said to me, for a serious computer problem,
turn it off, walk away for a day and then come back
and try again.  That is what I did, and the problem is
fixed.  

>sounds like a more serious problem..hmm.. You also
>cannot
>login as root? does it say "Login Incorrect" or does
>it
>give some other message? can you type the password on
>the
>"username" prompt so you can see that all the
>characters come
>through as you type?(then backspace them out).

>Are you pretty
>sure your system has not been compromised?

I was pretty sure I wasn't hacked because I wasn't
getting login correct error.  Plus the machine wasn't
on my network, unless somebody physically broke into
my home and hacked it, and why they would do that is
beyond me.  

Either way, the problem is fixed...for now...thanks

-Chris 



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Re: RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Joe Polk]

That's a perspective and I don't have a problem with that. I'm not going
to stop using RH. All I am suggesting is that this "appears" to be a
step, or perhaps a trend. Perhaps one day they will "become" something I
disagree with, but right now I just don't have a good feeling about it.
I'm not, however, at the point where I'll stop using RH or suggesting
it. They still have a way to go before becoming Caldera! 

<>

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 19:41, Ed Wilts wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 05:33:07PM -0500, Joe Polk wrote:
> > While I would agree with what most have been saying, namely that RH can
> > do whatever they damn well pleases, I don't necessarily like the trend.
> > Caldera has consistently alienated the Linux community starting with
> > tactics much like this. I used Caldera back in the day and loved it. But
> > they didn't seem interested in the end user, unless you were an end user
> > at a big company.  I'm not saying this is the direction that RH is
> > going, but they have taken some steps down that road. Let's hope they
> > can see where at leads WITHOUT having to tread the entire length. 
> > Again, they can do what they please but that doesn't mean there aren't
> > consequences. The consequences here could very well be a disgruntled
> > user base that simply goes elsewhere. While they won't hurt the existing
> > base of corporate users right now, it will keep people from suggesting
> > RH in the future which ultimately will hurt them.  
> 
> Wow.  Red Hat bumped the version number from the expected 8.1 to 9 and
> now you're saying people will stop suggesting Red Hat?  A disgruntled
> user base that simply goes elsewhere?  A little dramatic don't you
> think?
> 
> Let's step back and put it all into perspective.  Red Hat sent out an
> e-mail via chtah.com announcing Red Hat Linux 9, when it would be
> generally available, how to get it early, and suddenly everybody's so
> annoyed they're jumping distributions?  Take a deep breath, pop a valium 
> and slowly back away from the keyboard.
> 
> -- 
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> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program
> 
> 
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grep reg expression confusion

[Mike Vanecek]

Been at it too long, looked in the Reg Expression book, but just can not see
it. Would some kind soul please tell what I am doing wrong here:

I want to look at messages and ignore lines that have asia1 or asia2 in them:


grep -vie '(asia1|asia2)'  /var/log/messages | less

I have tried several different combinations, but obviously not the correct one.

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Re: Multiple identical NFS mounts under RH8

[Carl Riches]

I see this behavior with RH 7.3 also.  In fact, I can have different
directories on the same mount point.  However only the most recent mount
is available.  Sort of like peeling an onion.

Carl

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Software Engineer
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Michael Mansour wrote:
>
> >I think I've found a bug in RH8's NFS.
> >
> >On the RH8 client, I can mount the filesystem many
> >times as shown (df -k output):
> >
> >
> The same thing happens under RH7.3 - all of my machines are 7.3 and
> I can replicate the same thing you just did.
>
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Re: Using serial port

[Al Sparks]

I'd just like to say, as someone who was just "lurking", that this
advice about minicom was great.  I had been trying to redirect input
from ttyS0 to a file using
   $ cat /dev/ttyS0 >> somefile
and all I was getting was garbage.  I was in the process of trying to
figure out stty settings, when I saw the post of Michael Mansour
and Joe Polk suggesting minicom.

I had posted my own question on this subject before in February, and
Gene Yoo also suggested minicom, but I had forgotten about that,
focusing on the "cat" solution Cameron Simpson had suggested.  It
looks like Gene has since switched to gtkterm (or maybe he uses both).

Minicom is great.  If you've ever used Procomm (the old DOS version,
not Procomm Plus for Windows), then using minicom will be a snap.  The
interface is similar.

Anyway, thanks.
   === Al


--- Michael Mansour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can also use minicom to do that.
> 
> Michael.
> 
> --- Gene Yoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Francisco Garcia wrote:
> > > Hi, I need to use my serial port (COM1) to attach
> > my laptop to a Cisco
> > > router's console port. I am using RH 8 and I want
> > to know how to
> > > configure the port and what application I must use
> > to open a console
> > > session in my Cisco router.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Francisco Garcia
> > > Network Engineer
> > > Marcatel International
> > > +52 55 55674081
> > > Mexico City
> > > 
> > 
> > francisco, i use a program called gtkterm, nice
> > replacement 
> > for hyperterm.
> > -- 
> > <>
> > 
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > 
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> > Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux)
> > 
> >
> iQCUAwUBPhxERRxoVYCzmrKXAQJK5gP3Y7CTsFyKpEz2p5W4GWI9+qSm+kWfdJ0R
> >
> xNlma0Ma9rAL/OBJcZMo5IXyXas+3Edogbv4Al6dIf8lot1WS0Iaxxl/cg2f7gf+
> >
> otf7LfNpZDE/6OzR7A1qN6baPMLSjGzywwQWMfSVuWWb6kGQxMsA13Kn68G7Ozxs
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Re: XMMS stutters constantly

[Cliff Wells]

On Sun, 2003-03-23 at 17:47, Gerry Doris wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Edward Dekkers wrote:
> 
> > > Thanks to those who suggested hdparm, but it had no effect.  I first
> > > noticed the problem during disk access, but xmms also sometimes skips
> > > when I just move the mouse over something with a tooltip.  I got rid of
> > > my desktop background, and it still skips when I move windows around,
> > > but not as much.   I'm also (occasionally) getting that double-keystroke
> > > problem others are talking about.
> > >
> > > I'll try a Linus kernel and see what happens.
> > >
> > > Krum
> > 
> > You might wanna check if the sound card and video card are sharing an
> > interrupt.

Also, if your XMMS settings are set to use esd, I'd try changing them to
OSS and see if that makes a difference.

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Re: Multiple identical NFS mounts under RH8

[Ashley M. Kirchner]

Michael Mansour wrote:

I think I've found a bug in RH8's NFS.

On the RH8 client, I can mount the filesystem many
times as shown (df -k output):
 

   The same thing happens under RH7.3 - all of my machines are 7.3 and 
I can replicate the same thing you just did.

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Multiple identical NFS mounts under RH8

[Michael Mansour]

Hi,

I think I've found a bug in RH8's NFS.

I have 3 Red Hat machines, 2 of the RH8 and 1 RH6.2

On one of the RH8 machines, I export a filesystem,
while the other RH8 and RH6.2 machines mount that
exported filesystem.

On the RH8 client, I can mount the filesystem many
times as shown (df -k output):

testserv:/data01  8744304   6903844   1840460 
79% /mnt/testserv
testserv:/data01  8744304   6903844   1840460 
79% /mnt/testserv
testserv:/data01  8744304   6903844   1840460 
79% /mnt/testserv
testserv:/data01  8744304   6903844   1840460 
79% /mnt/testserv
testserv:/data01  8744304   6903844   1840460 
79% /mnt/testserv

and a cat of my mtab:

testserv:/data01 /mnt/testserv nfs
rw,addr=203.14.211.9 0 0
testserv:/data01 /mnt/testserv nfs
rw,addr=203.14.211.9 0 0
testserv:/data01 /mnt/testserv nfs
rw,addr=203.14.211.9 0 0
testserv:/data01 /mnt/testserv nfs
rw,addr=203.14.211.9 0 0
testserv:/data01 /mnt/testserv nfs
rw,addr=203.14.211.9 0 0

while on my RH6.2 machine, when I try to mount the
/mnt/testserv directory:

mount: testserv:/data01 already mounted or
/mnt/testserv busy
mount: according to mtab, testserv:/data01 is already
mounted on /mnt/testserv


Has anyone else experienced this issue before?

BTW, I can dismount each and every RH8 mount point one
at a time also. Weird.

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Re: RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Ed Wilts]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 05:33:07PM -0500, Joe Polk wrote:
> While I would agree with what most have been saying, namely that RH can
> do whatever they damn well pleases, I don't necessarily like the trend.
> Caldera has consistently alienated the Linux community starting with
> tactics much like this. I used Caldera back in the day and loved it. But
> they didn't seem interested in the end user, unless you were an end user
> at a big company.  I'm not saying this is the direction that RH is
> going, but they have taken some steps down that road. Let's hope they
> can see where at leads WITHOUT having to tread the entire length. 
> Again, they can do what they please but that doesn't mean there aren't
> consequences. The consequences here could very well be a disgruntled
> user base that simply goes elsewhere. While they won't hurt the existing
> base of corporate users right now, it will keep people from suggesting
> RH in the future which ultimately will hurt them.  

Wow.  Red Hat bumped the version number from the expected 8.1 to 9 and
now you're saying people will stop suggesting Red Hat?  A disgruntled
user base that simply goes elsewhere?  A little dramatic don't you
think?

Let's step back and put it all into perspective.  Red Hat sent out an
e-mail via chtah.com announcing Red Hat Linux 9, when it would be
generally available, how to get it early, and suddenly everybody's so
annoyed they're jumping distributions?  Take a deep breath, pop a valium 
and slowly back away from the keyboard.

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Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]

[Edward Dekkers]

> Didn't they do something similar with RH7.3?  I mean, didn't it jump
> from 7.3 to 8.0?  I seem to remember a jump of a few ordinals to 8.0.
> But I could be wrong, can someone correct me?

Yes, that is correct. It usually happend that way though. I remember 5.0,
5.1, 5.2 then jump to 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, then jump to 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 then
jump to 8.0. What everybody's on about Tim, is the fact we did a major
version jump 8 to 9, without a few point releases (no 8.1, or 8.2).

I can understand RHCE people will be fairly pissed off.

Other users - seriously - let's not debate over the number hey? Who cares
what it's called as long as it works?

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Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9

[Bill Anderson]

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:44, Nate Golnik wrote:
> The nameing scheme did not have anything to do with trying to expire your 
> certifications early.  This a quote from Pete Childers VP of 
> Global Learning Services (used with permission):
> 
> "RHCEs should not worry that the new number scheme will mean their
> certifications age out earlier. It won't. Modified policies will be
> forthcoming on the RHCE FAQs.
> 
> Questions/inquiries should be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> 
> Hope this helps a little.

Thank you, Nate, this is helpful. Perhaps something like this should
have been/be posted to certification central and/or a notice sent to
RHCEs? Kind of strikes me as a legitimate use of the system. :^)

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Re: beta install change not good?

[Bill Anderson]

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 17:08, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:26:48PM -0700, Bill Anderson wrote:
> > 
> > Also: "Minimal installations currently require more than a single CD."
> > 
> > Seems like a bug to me. Why not arrange them such that the most commonly
> > used and smallest installs be on the first disc, then the second, and
> > the third being for the least often installed options?
> 
> This is what Red Hat did for the last few releases. I believe 8.0 (or
> is it 7.3) shipped without a i585 kernel because there wasn't enough
> space on the first CD to include (this was fixed in errata since there's
> no space limit there). I suspect it became impossible to fit the base
> install on the first CD.

Maybe, but I think it is just amatter of not planning on it. The
"minimum" install is ~450MB. Surely that can be fit on one CD? :^) SuSE
has a similar problem last I knew. To do a base installation required a
little bit from each and every damned disc.

Then again, maybe "base" needs to be trimmed down anyway. I expect the
"personal desktop" could indeed fit on one disc, if the rest of it was
moved to the secondary and tertiary discs. If memory serves, RPMs do
*some* compression; 2:1 shouldn't be that hard to do. That'd put the
"workstation" in range of a single disc.

> 
> > Or is this just to make people have to DL the whole set and thus be
> > more likely to buy iy? ;)
> 
> You wouldn't happen to be an X-Files fan, would you? :-)

Not too much.  A bit yes, but it got real old with all the evidence
conveniently disappearing at the end of every damned episode. :(

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Red Hat v7.2 + USB2/FireWire tape drives

[dotCOM designers]

I just saw Sony came out with couple new AIT tape backup drives, one of them
being external with USB2.0 & FireWire ports (AITe90-UL).  I'm not a big
Linux guru so I was wondering if there was some good info or documentation
on how to set up a Red Hat 7.2 box to work with a tape drive like this,
using either the Firewire (preferably) or USB2 interface?

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Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

[Edward Dekkers]

> I said that I cannot imagine a case where "I would want all partitions
> on all disk drives to be removed during an OS install".  Despite your
> claims, I still would never want all partitions on all disk drives to be
> removed during an OS install.  Not for the two cases that you provided
> (#2 of which is true for me all of the time, by the way), nor for any
> case.

I won't make this a long e-mail - this thread has gone on long enough.

But I will tell you a case where I love the fact Kickstart will kill
everything.

Unattended installs - exactly what I think Kickstart was designed for. It
can't be very unattended if I have to stand there and do the old 'Are you
sure', 'Are you  really sure', 'Last chance now', dialogs. You set up
Kickstart to a system of your liking, then take it, plonk it in a PC you
want to install, press the button, and make a coffee. When you come back,
the system should be ready to go as you wanted it. Period.

I build quite a few systems a week, and I'm very happy with the automated
installation stuff that's available. It means I can set up about 4 PCs at a
time instead of one at a time.

If the customer want's data off it, I back it up to network, then restore
when finished. Same thing everybody should do. Never rely on data to be
there after a major install. No backups is a bad practice to get in to.

Hey, it MAY not suit every purpose, and obviously not in your case, but
please don't get into a 'right' or 'wrong' flame war. There is no right or
wrong here, but mainly opinion. Kickstart was written by people who want
nothing for their efforts. If you want it to behave differently, sign up to
their project and make a difference.

I really think it's wrong a tradesman blaming tools for a botched job. Don't
you?

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Re: Using serial port

[Joe Polk]

You could simply alter the permissions with chmod.

<>

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 18:58, Francisco Garcia wrote:
> Very nice program, but I have a little problem: I need to become SU to
> open /dev/ttyS0.How can I give permission to other users?
> 
> $ minicom -o
> Device /dev/ttyS0 access failed: Permission denied.
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> Francisco
> 
> On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 16:47, Joe Polk wrote:
> > Make sure minicom is installed. It's a terminal program for accessing
> > serial devices. COM1 should equal /dev/ttyS0.
> > 
> > <>
> > 
> > On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 17:36, Francisco Garcia wrote:
> > > Hi, I need to use my serial port (COM1) to attach my laptop to a Cisco
> > > router's console port. I am using RH 8 and I want to know how to
> > > configure the port and what application I must use to open a console
> > > session in my Cisco router.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
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Re: beta install change not good?

[Emmanuel Seyman]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:26:48PM -0700, Bill Anderson wrote:
> 
> Also: "Minimal installations currently require more than a single CD."
> 
> Seems like a bug to me. Why not arrange them such that the most commonly
> used and smallest installs be on the first disc, then the second, and
> the third being for the least often installed options?

This is what Red Hat did for the last few releases. I believe 8.0 (or
is it 7.3) shipped without a i585 kernel because there wasn't enough
space on the first CD to include (this was fixed in errata since there's
no space limit there). I suspect it became impossible to fit the base
install on the first CD.

> Or is this just to make people have to DL the whole set and thus be
> more likely to buy iy? ;)

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Re: Using serial port

[Francisco Garcia]

Very nice program, but I have a little problem: I need to become SU to
open /dev/ttyS0.How can I give permission to other users?

$ minicom -o
Device /dev/ttyS0 access failed: Permission denied.

Thanks a lot,
Francisco

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 16:47, Joe Polk wrote:
> Make sure minicom is installed. It's a terminal program for accessing
> serial devices. COM1 should equal /dev/ttyS0.
> 
> <>
> 
> On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 17:36, Francisco Garcia wrote:
> > Hi, I need to use my serial port (COM1) to attach my laptop to a Cisco
> > router's console port. I am using RH 8 and I want to know how to
> > configure the port and what application I must use to open a console
> > session in my Cisco router.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Francisco Garcia
> > Network Engineer
> > Marcatel International
> > +52 55 55674081
> > Mexico City
> > 
> > 
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Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9

[Joe Polk]

Oh I understand completely.

<>

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 18:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 10:30, Joe Polk wrote:
> > We are a sensitive lot, no?   :)
> > 
> > <>
> > 
> 
> I'm sensitive mostly because this stuff affects my business - which puts
> bread and butter on my table and takes care of my kids. This means that
> I have to ditch the past seven months of mucking around with RH 8.0 and
> the likes and start all over again - which is literally money spent.
> Sure, I'm touchy and sensitive - so in thinking pro-actively about my
> client base and their servers, workstations and issues, I'll have to
> spend even more time getting a grip on a new version (and I HATE .0
> versions) along with all the quirks, foibles and bugs a new version
> presents...
> 
> If I was just playing around and this was NOT my living, I'd not give a
> hoot either which way...
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Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9

[Tim Willis]

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 17:36, Rick Johnson wrote:
> 
> 
> Joe Polk wrote:
> > We are a sensitive lot, no?   :)
> 
> You might be too if you spent $2500 less than a year ago for 
> certification and coursework that had the potential of lasting less than 
> 1.5 years.
> 
> -Rick

Better than spending over 8k for coursework and tests for an MCSE
though(still regretting it, and still paying for it, feeling
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Re: RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Emmanuel Seyman]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 08:29:48AM +1100, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> 
> Yet another reason why my business, and myself are being pushed away by
> the whole "new" direction that RedHat has gone in. Sadly, after nearly
> ten years of "sticking" to RedHat, I'm going to have to divert my
> interests to another distribution that isn't going to follow in the
> footsteps of the larger looming monsters such as Microsoft and IBM.

Okay, that does it.

What THE HELL does jumping directly from 8.0 to 9.0 have to with
either Microsoft or IBM?
Version numbering of Microsoft apps have nothing to do with binary
compatibility (or anything else, for that matter) and IBM version
numbers tend to reflect feature additions more than anything else.
Please explain this. I'm really scratching my head on this one.

While I'm as surprised as everybody on the list, I realize it's
courageous of Red Hat to clearly reflect that the coming distribution
isn't binary compatible with the previous one and that this is going
to cause them a lot of animosity. 
Try to imagine what people whould have felt if they had labelled it
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Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9

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On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 10:30, Joe Polk wrote:
> We are a sensitive lot, no?   :)
> 
> <>
> 

I'm sensitive mostly because this stuff affects my business - which puts
bread and butter on my table and takes care of my kids. This means that
I have to ditch the past seven months of mucking around with RH 8.0 and
the likes and start all over again - which is literally money spent.
Sure, I'm touchy and sensitive - so in thinking pro-actively about my
client base and their servers, workstations and issues, I'll have to
spend even more time getting a grip on a new version (and I HATE .0
versions) along with all the quirks, foibles and bugs a new version
presents...

If I was just playing around and this was NOT my living, I'd not give a
hoot either which way...

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help needed for Broadcom Modem

[Jaysheel Mehd]

Hi all,

I am using Dell Dimension PC and integrated Modem is
Broadcom v92. I did download the Broadcom source as
published on dell's site. Now when I use KPPP dialer,
It see the Modem and says Modem REady and then it
tries to Initialize modem and it hangs.
It hangs at message "Initializing Modem".

How to solve it? Any clues?

Thanks in advance
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Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9

[Rick Johnson]

Joe Polk wrote:
We are a sensitive lot, no?   :)
You might be too if you spent $2500 less than a year ago for 
certification and coursework that had the potential of lasting less than 
1.5 years.

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Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9

[Joe Polk]

We are a sensitive lot, no?   :)

<>

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 18:24, Rick Johnson wrote:
> Nate Golnik wrote:
> > The naming scheme did not have anything to do with trying to expire your 
> > certifications early.  This a quote from Pete Childers VP of 
> > Global Learning Services (used with permission):
> > 
> > "RHCEs should not worry that the new number scheme will mean their
> > certifications age out earlier. It won't. Modified policies will be
> > forthcoming on the RHCE FAQs.
> > 
> > Questions/inquiries should be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > 
> > Hope this helps a little.
> > 
> 
> This is reassuring, and was my only qualm on the modified numbering.
> 
> Looking forward to the modified policy verbiage.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Rick
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Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9

[Rick Johnson]

Nate Golnik wrote:
The naming scheme did not have anything to do with trying to expire your 
certifications early.  This a quote from Pete Childers VP of 
Global Learning Services (used with permission):

"RHCEs should not worry that the new number scheme will mean their
certifications age out earlier. It won't. Modified policies will be
forthcoming on the RHCE FAQs.
Questions/inquiries should be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Hope this helps a little.

This is reassuring, and was my only qualm on the modified numbering.

Looking forward to the modified policy verbiage.

Thanks,
-Rick
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[ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9

[Nate Golnik]

The nameing scheme did not have anything to do with trying to expire your 
certifications early.  This a quote from Pete Childers VP of 
Global Learning Services (used with permission):

"RHCEs should not worry that the new number scheme will mean their
certifications age out earlier. It won't. Modified policies will be
forthcoming on the RHCE FAQs.

Questions/inquiries should be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Hope this helps a little.

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Re: RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Michael Schwendt]

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:52:02 -0500 (EST), Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>   and, more to the point, that posting was pure spam.  it
> provided no information, answered no questions -- just 
> announced RHN for red hat 9, and "click here" to join
> and give us some of your money.

With links that point to *.chtah.com and which contain encoded
information that allow evaluating who clicked on them.

>   the disclaimer insisted that i got it because i had
> "opted in" to get info.  i don't recall ever opting in,
> unless they're talking about the official red hat mailing
> list, and i joined that one because i wanted to get real
> information.  that posting didn't even vaguely qualify.
> 
>   this whole thing was really poorly done.

Yep. Most important, it doesn't mention the partnership between Red
Hat and CheetahMail. It should do that somewhere at the top or
bottom.

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Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)

[Michael Schwendt]

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:56:28 -0500 (EST), Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>   before anyone gets too cranked up about this, it is almost
> certainly bogus.  look at the return email address --
> redhat.chtah.com.
> 
>   a quick browse of www.chtah.com shows an obvious
> spammer.  so this is total nonsense.

Red Hat's "Under the Brim" newsletters get sent from "Red Hat"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, too.

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Re: Using serial port

[Michael Mansour]

You can also use minicom to do that.

Michael.

--- Gene Yoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Francisco Garcia wrote:
> > Hi, I need to use my serial port (COM1) to attach
> my laptop to a Cisco
> > router's console port. I am using RH 8 and I want
> to know how to
> > configure the port and what application I must use
> to open a console
> > session in my Cisco router.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Francisco Garcia
> > Network Engineer
> > Marcatel International
> > +52 55 55674081
> > Mexico City
> > 
> 
> francisco, i use a program called gtkterm, nice
> replacement 
> for hyperterm.
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Keep receiving bounced messages

[Michael Mansour]

Hi,

When I post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I keep receiving
this undeliverable message from someone or some system
I do not know.

Is there a problem with redhat-list?

Michael.

Note: forwarded message attached.


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> 8.0 appears to be an odd ball much like Windows ME
> was for Microsoft.   But,
> I'm sure RH has a very good reason for this - they
> seem to know what they
> are doing when "controversial" things like this
> comes about.
> 
> -Eric Wood

I'm using 8.0 on 3 production systems at the moment,
from servicing and supporting RAS, Radius and dialup
links of varying sorts, to proxy squid caching, to
firewalling, to handling of virtual email domains and
system monitoring of various services and servers.

I've found it to be strong and robust, I wouldn't put
it down to oddball at all.

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Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)

[Kevin Krumwiede]

Dammit, I just got 8 working the way I want. :o)



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Re: Using serial port

[Gene Yoo]

Francisco Garcia wrote:
Hi, I need to use my serial port (COM1) to attach my laptop to a Cisco
router's console port. I am using RH 8 and I want to know how to
configure the port and what application I must use to open a console
session in my Cisco router.
Thanks,

Francisco Garcia
Network Engineer
Marcatel International
+52 55 55674081
Mexico City
francisco, i use a program called gtkterm, nice replacement 
for hyperterm.
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Re: setting dial-in server

[Michael Mansour]

Hi,

There's a couple of ways you can do this but generally
speaking, if you're only to have one dialup server,
use mgetty, if you're going to need redundancy and
multiple dialup servers, use portslave, radiusclient
and freeradius.

Michael.

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> Hi,
> 
> I'm planning of putting up a dial-in server in our
> office. My purpose for 
> this is for me to be able to dial-up to that server
> and be
> connected to our server. Just like RAS. Anybody here
> that guide me on how 
> to set it up? I was planning of using Redhat 8.0.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Jhun Bacala
> 
> 
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Re: Help Lucent amr modem driver

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 09:27, gopalan harish wrote:
> the linmodems web page said our drivers do not support
> amr modems.
> 
> Harish

I have ended up using HCF/HST/HSF drivers for these modems - especially
the "daughterboard" modems, without a hitch.

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Re: Using serial port

[Joe Polk]

Make sure minicom is installed. It's a terminal program for accessing
serial devices. COM1 should equal /dev/ttyS0.

<>

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 17:36, Francisco Garcia wrote:
> Hi, I need to use my serial port (COM1) to attach my laptop to a Cisco
> router's console port. I am using RH 8 and I want to know how to
> configure the port and what application I must use to open a console
> session in my Cisco router.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Francisco Garcia
> Network Engineer
> Marcatel International
> +52 55 55674081
> Mexico City
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Using serial port

[Francisco Garcia]

Hi, I need to use my serial port (COM1) to attach my laptop to a Cisco
router's console port. I am using RH 8 and I want to know how to
configure the port and what application I must use to open a console
session in my Cisco router.

Thanks,

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Network Engineer
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Re: RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Joe Polk]

While I would agree with what most have been saying, namely that RH can
do whatever they damn well pleases, I don't necessarily like the trend.
Caldera has consistently alienated the Linux community starting with
tactics much like this. I used Caldera back in the day and loved it. But
they didn't seem interested in the end user, unless you were an end user
at a big company.  I'm not saying this is the direction that RH is
going, but they have taken some steps down that road. Let's hope they
can see where at leads WITHOUT having to tread the entire length. 
Again, they can do what they please but that doesn't mean there aren't
consequences. The consequences here could very well be a disgruntled
user base that simply goes elsewhere. While they won't hurt the existing
base of corporate users right now, it will keep people from suggesting
RH in the future which ultimately will hurt them.  This may be the
marketing dept's fault. Perhaps that's what makes it so sour. Marketing
reps are the business version of lawyers. The more you hang around them,
the more dirty you feel.  Video killed the radio star and marketing reps
spoiled our little party we call Information Technology. On the other
hand, they also indirectly feed and clothe us. 

<>

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 16:29, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 07:52, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> 
> >   this whole thing was really poorly done.
> > 
> > rday
> 
> Yet another reason why my business, and myself are being pushed away by
> the whole "new" direction that RedHat has gone in. Sadly, after nearly
> ten years of "sticking" to RedHat, I'm going to have to divert my
> interests to another distribution that isn't going to follow in the
> footsteps of the larger looming monsters such as Microsoft and IBM.
> Bouncing versions like this, especially after pushing the version 8.1
> idea for so long, is more than poorly done - it's as though the
> principle behind the versioning scheme has been thrown out of the window
> altogether without thinking of the long term effects on the people that
> have come to depend on them - and in thinking that users/sellers of
> systems with 7.2/7.3 versions are going to be literally out on the
> streets with this version change, they're making for some really bad
> business karma.
> 
> I fear that RedHat, IF this move goes through, which I'm sure it is now,
> is going to cause quite a ripple throughout the overall RedHat
> community; and if the entire ploy is aimed at "Big Business" and
> commercial services, they're certainly going to find out that some folks
> are going to opt for a different distribution instead of fighting the
> "version is now outdated" trap.
> 
> IMHO this is - but I'm not going to chuck more money down the drain for
> a distro I've started to not like or trust. And it really sucks that
> after all these years, I'm starting to "not trust" RedHat.
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Re: Help Lucent amr modem driver

[gopalan harish]

the linmodems web page said our drivers do not support
amr modems.

Harish

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beta install change not good?

[Bill Anderson]

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 13:41, Nicholas Marsh wrote:
> >> So, does anyone know what's new/ improved/ changed from 8?
> 
> If it like the beta (8.0.94), here are the release notes: 
> 
> http://rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/beta/phoebe/en/os/i386/RELEASE-NOTES

In there it says:
 If you are performing anything other than an installation from an IDE
 or USB device, you will be asked to insert a driver diskette created
 from one of the following image files:

So, those of us that install on SCSI drives (HD and CD) will need a boot
floppy now? What about systems w/o floppies?

Also: "Minimal installations currently require more than a single CD."

Seems like a bug to me. Why not arrange them such that the most commonly
used and smallest installs be on the first disc, then the second, and
the third being for the least often installed options? Or is this just
to make people have to DL the whole set and thus be more likely to buy
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Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]

[Bill Anderson]

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Red Hat generally only bumps up the main version number due to binary
> icompatibilities.  That being said, they could do this on a whim if they
> like.  It is merely a ploy to get people to go use their "Advanced" line of
> products if they want product stability.  A great way to aggrevate their
> RHCE's too!  They will probably a) come out with an RHASCE (Red Hat
> Advanced Server Certified Engineer) or b) they will have to fix their RHCE
> program.  I certified on 7.2, and was told it would be good for the next 2
> major versions, being 8 and 9.  I should be good 'till RH10.

Which at the "new" rate would be this fall 

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Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....

[Michael Mansour]

> 8.0 appears to be an odd ball much like Windows ME
> was for Microsoft.   But,
> I'm sure RH has a very good reason for this - they
> seem to know what they
> are doing when "controversial" things like this
> comes about.
> 
> -Eric Wood

I'm using 8.0 on 3 production systems at the moment,
from servicing and supporting RAS, Radius and dialup
links of varying sorts, to proxy squid caching, to
firewalling, to handling of virtual email domains and
system monitoring of various services and servers.

I've found it to be strong and robust, I wouldn't put
it down to oddball at all.

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Re: Linux MAN Pages in PDF format

[Anthony E. Greene]

On 23-Mar-2003/06:13 -0600, "Ryan K. McKee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know where I might be able to find a Linux MAN Page
>collection in PDF format? One might ask, "why in PDF?" Well, I'll tell
>you why, for a number of reasons.
>
[various reasons snipped]
>
>Anyhow, if someone comes across a compilation of the Linux MAN Pages in
>PDF format or if they are willing to compile such a collection on their
>own, then I would appreciate it if that person would notify me via
>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or even POST a response in this forum/newsgroup.

#!/bin/sh
#
# Build a PDF version of all man pages on system.
#

# Start in my Home directory, and create a directory
# for the PDF man pages.
cd $HOME
mkdir man
cd man

# Walk through the manpage sections, creating subdirectories
# for each on ein my Home directory.
for section in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do
  mkdir $HOME/man/man$section
  cd /usr/share/man/man$section

  # Get a list of files and convert each one to PDF.
  for manfile in (ls -1); do
basefile=(basename $manfile .gz)
man -t ./$manfile | ps2pdf > $HOME/man/man$section/$basefile.pdf
  done
done

# End of script.
echo "Done."




Do the same thing for /usr/local/man.

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Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]

[James_Martin]

Red Hat generally only bumps up the main version number due to binary
icompatibilities.  That being said, they could do this on a whim if they
like.  It is merely a ploy to get people to go use their "Advanced" line of
products if they want product stability.  A great way to aggrevate their
RHCE's too!  They will probably a) come out with an RHASCE (Red Hat
Advanced Server Certified Engineer) or b) they will have to fix their RHCE
program.  I certified on 7.2, and was told it would be good for the next 2
major versions, being 8 and 9.  I should be good 'till RH10.

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Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....

[Bill Anderson]

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 14:10, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> Rick Johnson wrote:
> 
> > What happened to 8.1?
> 
> 
> Have you been running the beta?   There's a whole LOT of third party 
> software that ran fine of 8.0, but not on the Phoebe beta releases.  It 
> seems to be mostly related to the NPTL changes in the kernel and glibc, 
> and probably isn't something that can be resolved.
> 
> If binary compatibility isn't possible, then Red Hat is faced with 
> either the choice to delay significant improvements for another full 
> year, or put out a new major release, which does not promise total 
> binary compatibility with Red Hat Linux 8.
> 
> Seems to me like a sensible choice.

It seems like amuch less sensible choice when you realize what it does
to RHCE certificate expirations.

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Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]

[Bill Anderson]

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 14:31, Ed Wilts wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:10:35PM -0600, John Nichel wrote:
> > Ed Wilts wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote:
> > > 
> > >>Red Hat 9  What happened to 8.1?
> > > 
> > > Who says there should have been an 8.1?  Just because a whole bunch of
> > > people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make
> > > it so.  Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found
> > > out why.
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure they released a beta for 8.1, did they not?
> 
> I'm even more sure you're wrong :-).  There was a release called Phoebe.
> Nobody from Red Hat said it was a beta of 8.1.

Nonetheless, announcing an open position for someone that will be
supporting the release of "8.1" says they were at least at some point
planning on an 8.1. Given that as of a few minutes ago anyway, the
position is still listed, it gets very confusing. 8.1 and 9.0??

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Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)

[Jeff Lane]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

Red Hat list admin:

 A number of folks received the following on the Red Hat mailing
list recently.  The overwhelming evidence is that it is spam,
given the return address of redhat.chtah.com
Ummm nope.  Unless this spammer happened to also take over the 
redhat.com domain as well...

as was posted earlier:

http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/

heres some text from that page on what appears to be www.redhat.com

Subscribe to Red Hat Network (subscriptions start as low as $60 
USD/year). Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs will be available to paid subscribers 
starting March 31, 2003--a week before they will be available on 
redhat.com, in stores, or on Red Hat FTP. A paid subscription also 
gets you access to RHN technical support, errata updates, priority 
access during peak times, and immediate email notification. It's the 
quickest way to get Red Hat Linux 9.

And just to be doubly sure... here are some of the tcpdump lines that I 
got from loading that page:

04:52:41.740352 65.56.213.5.33015 > 66.187.232.56.http: . ack 15140 win 
63480 (DF)
04:52:41.890352 66.187.232.56.http > 65.56.213.5.33015: . 
15140:16520(1380) ack 1236 win 16510 (DF)
04:52:41.890352 65.56.213.5.33015 > 66.187.232.56.http: . ack 16520 win 
63480 (DF)
04:52:42.050352 66.187.232.56.http > 65.56.213.5.33015: . 
16520:17900(1380) ack 1236 win 16510 (DF)
04:52:42.050352 65.56.213.5.33015 > 66.187.232.56.http: . ack 17900 win 
63480 (DF)

and a dig on www.redhat.com:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] network-scripts]# dig www.redhat.com

; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> www.redhat.com

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.redhat.com. 134 IN  A   66.187.232.56
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
redhat.com. 163 IN  NS  ns2.redhat.com.
redhat.com. 163 IN  NS  ns3.redhat.com.
redhat.com. 163 IN  NS  ns1.redhat.com.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns2.redhat.com. 23846   IN  A   66.187.224.210
ns3.redhat.com. 23846   IN  A   66.187.229.10
ns1.redhat.com. 23846   IN  A   66.187.233.210

Note that the www.redhat.com address is the address that I was getting 
the packets from, as evidenced by tcpdump...

So, its real.. or Red Hat has one hell of a good intrusion going on...

and trust me, I know enough people on the inside at Red Hat to have 
confirmed this.

Cheers
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Re: RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Ed Wilts]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:52:02PM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>   ok, so it seems that that first mailing to the RH list
> was legit after all, so i'm left looking a little sheepish.
> but i'm still somewhat peeved about how this was done --
> unspeakably clumsily.

This has been brought to their attention (see my sig).  You weren't the
only person confused.

>   that initial posting was more confusing than anything else.
> rather than being even remotely informational, 

You know, it told you the version number that was going to be released,
it told you how to get it early, and it told you when it was going to be
formally released.  I'd qualify that as at least remotely informational.

> .  it's *still* not clear why the jump to 9.  

Frankly, they don't have to tell you why the name or number anything the
way they do.  They didn't ask for my opinion either :-)

>one would think that someone at RH would have had the
> sense to predict that most serious red hatters would want
> to know about that, yet there was no explanation.

Perhaps one is forthcoming.  After all, we haven't seen much come out
yet, and for all we know they'll publish more information later.

>   and, more to the point, that posting was pure spam.  it
> provided no information, answered no questions -- just 
> announced RHN for red hat 9, and "click here" to join
> and give us some of your money.

"Well, we've responded.  Starting March 31st at 9am Eastern, you can
start downloading Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs -- a week before they will be
generally available in retail stores or via Red Hat FTP."

What, when, and where - all in one compact paragraph.  

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RH9 new name change to match something else?

[Dan Dobbs]

Maybe this is some sort of shenanigans to make some monster Linux-Oracle
bundle. Oracle's newest is 9i, right?

>From a programming point (and a certification standpoint), making a
whole version number jump is dumb.

So, they must have another motive, and that's some of that
marketing-synergy type stuff, like how NT started at Version 3. :>)

But, whomever made the point about advanced server has a point---if
they don't bring it up, too, they will miss out.

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Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]

[Tim Willis]

Didn't they do something similar with RH7.3?  I mean, didn't it jump
from 7.3 to 8.0?  I seem to remember a jump of a few ordinals to 8.0. 
But I could be wrong, can someone correct me?
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how to access Linux pc from another Windows PC

[Limb]

Sorry for making you have to see that bad word.. but anyways... How can
i conenct to my linux box from another pc and compile/edit C++ stuff on
it? Also how do i get my network assigned IP? i can't find it from any
network/ethernet config editors.

Thanks
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Re: Help Lucent amr modem driver

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 07:43, gopalan harish wrote:
>  hi
>  i just installed RH 8.0 on my system.I was looking
>  for a driver for the modem i have on my system.It is
> a
> Lucent AMR modem and i could not find drivers in
> linmodems for it.Can some one advice me how to make
> the modem work or do i need to get a new one.
>  
>  Harish

Uh, if you went searching on linmodems.org for it and you didn't find
it, then you really didn't look closely enough. The links to the drivers
ARE there - I've used them many times with complete success...

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Re: RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 07:52, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>   this whole thing was really poorly done.
> 
> rday

Yet another reason why my business, and myself are being pushed away by
the whole "new" direction that RedHat has gone in. Sadly, after nearly
ten years of "sticking" to RedHat, I'm going to have to divert my
interests to another distribution that isn't going to follow in the
footsteps of the larger looming monsters such as Microsoft and IBM.
Bouncing versions like this, especially after pushing the version 8.1
idea for so long, is more than poorly done - it's as though the
principle behind the versioning scheme has been thrown out of the window
altogether without thinking of the long term effects on the people that
have come to depend on them - and in thinking that users/sellers of
systems with 7.2/7.3 versions are going to be literally out on the
streets with this version change, they're making for some really bad
business karma.

I fear that RedHat, IF this move goes through, which I'm sure it is now,
is going to cause quite a ripple throughout the overall RedHat
community; and if the entire ploy is aimed at "Big Business" and
commercial services, they're certainly going to find out that some folks
are going to opt for a different distribution instead of fighting the
"version is now outdated" trap.

IMHO this is - but I'm not going to chuck more money down the drain for
a distro I've started to not like or trust. And it really sucks that
after all these years, I'm starting to "not trust" RedHat.

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Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]

[Ed Wilts]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:10:35PM -0600, John Nichel wrote:
> Ed Wilts wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote:
> > 
> >>Red Hat 9  What happened to 8.1?
> > 
> > Who says there should have been an 8.1?  Just because a whole bunch of
> > people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make
> > it so.  Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found
> > out why.
> 
> I'm pretty sure they released a beta for 8.1, did they not?

I'm even more sure you're wrong :-).  There was a release called Phoebe.
Nobody from Red Hat said it was a beta of 8.1.

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Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....

[Rick Johnson]

Martín Marqués wrote:

I thought I had heard someone saying that Oracle was asking RedHat to
release new series with at least 18 months in between, cause they could
catch with the fast releases.
This is not good for the Oracle partner indeed.
That's what the Red Hat Enterprise Linux series is all about. The Advanced 
Server/Workstation, etc. etc. has a 12-18 month release cycle. And that's 
what Oracle is designing their apps around.

-Rick
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RE: amanda?

[Larry Brown]

If you go the their site Amanda.org and looking at the mailing list archive,
there are documents posted there on how to do backups to disk which is basically
how Iomega is looked at, as a disk. ?To find
the document I did a search for…

 

backup to hard disk

 

And it was within the first page of results.

 

Larry S. Brown

Dimension
Networks, Inc.

(727) 723-8388

 

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Subject: RE: amanda?

 

So does anyone knows if
linux supports iomega?

If it does, I will buy it
:-)

Else I need a tape drive
:)

 

Regards,



Kaya Büyükçelen



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Hi Kaya,

 

Yes I
would tink so as you can specify just about anything for backup media -- if it
is a device known to linux, than it should be acceptable.

 

Try
posting to amandas forum.

 

Cheers

 

Christopher
CUSE

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Hello,

Does
amanda support iomega zipdrive?

Anyone
tried before?

 

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Re: how to access Linux pc from another Windows PC

[Joe Polk]

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. IF you are asking how to share
files on a Linux machine with a Windows machine, the answer is install
Samba.
Of course, you can also ssh to Linux with a client like PuTTY or simply
telnet if you have a telnet server running on your Linux box (though SSH
is more secure).

<>

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 16:06, Limb wrote:
> Sorry for making you have to see that bad word.. but anyways... How can
> i conenct to my linux box from another pc and compile/edit C++ stuff on
> it? Also how do i get my network assigned IP? i can't find it from any
> network/ethernet config editors.
> 
> Thanks
> -limb
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....

[Gordon Messmer]

Rick Johnson wrote:

What happened to 8.1?


Have you been running the beta?   There's a whole LOT of third party 
software that ran fine of 8.0, but not on the Phoebe beta releases.  It 
seems to be mostly related to the NPTL changes in the kernel and glibc, 
and probably isn't something that can be resolved.

If binary compatibility isn't possible, then Red Hat is faced with 
either the choice to delay significant improvements for another full 
year, or put out a new major release, which does not promise total 
binary compatibility with Red Hat Linux 8.

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Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]

[Bill Anderson]

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 13:26, Ed Wilts wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote:
> > Red Hat 9  What happened to 8.1?
> 
> Who says there should have been an 8.1?  Just because a whole bunch of
> people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make
> it so.  Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found
> out why.
> 
> Version numbers are for marketing.  

Actually, they are advertising for a customer service person that will
be supporting the rollout of 8.1. So I guess RH said so. :)

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Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)

[Ed Wilts]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:23:58PM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> at this point, it's not the existence of red hat 9 that's the issue --
> it's the offer for RHN subscription that appears to be going back to
> an obvious spammer -- that is, chtah.com.

There's a very clear distinction between "an obvious spammer" and a mass
marketing company.  If you've signed up for these kinds of announcements
from Red Hat and they chose to use a 3rd party company to send you those
e-mails, it's not spam.  Nobody says that chtah.com is allowed to do
anything else with the information.  Frankly, I'd be surprised if they
didn't have an explicit contract that prevented them from doing anything
else with the info.

There are a lot of legitimate businesses out there that have contracts
to either mail paper or e-mail to customers.  We shouldn't force Red Hat
to do everything in house - sometimes they'll contract functions of
their business out and there's nothing wrong with that.

> while i may be wrong, it seems that chtah.com is trying to ride the
> coattails of the recent legit announcement to sucker folks into
> signing up with *them*.

I'm sure your wrong.  In fact, you're so far off base you're a county
over. :-)

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Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)

[Jeff Cours]

I'm just trying to figure out why they'd announce a jump from RH8.0 
direct to 9.0 that'll be available the day before April Fool's day. This 
kind of thing would make a great April Fool's joke, but judging by the 
web site, they're serious about it. No obvious domain hijacking going on 
either:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ host www.redhat.com
www.redhat.com has address 66.187.232.56
[EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ host 66.187.232.56
56.232.187.66.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer www.redhat.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ dig @a.gtld-servers.net. redhat.com.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
redhat.com. 2D IN NSns2.redhat.com.
redhat.com. 2D IN NSns3.redhat.com.
redhat.com. 2D IN NSns1.redhat.com.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns2.redhat.com. 2D IN A 66.187.224.210
ns3.redhat.com. 2D IN A 66.187.229.10
ns1.redhat.com. 2D IN A 66.187.233.210
[EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ dig @66.187.224.210 www.redhat.com.

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.redhat.com. 5M IN A 66.187.232.56
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RH 9: ok, so i overreacted ... but i'm still miffed

[Robert P. J. Day]

  ok, so it seems that that first mailing to the RH list
was legit after all, so i'm left looking a little sheepish.
but i'm still somewhat peeved about how this was done --
unspeakably clumsily.

  that initial posting was more confusing than anything else.
rather than being even remotely informational, it left most
scratching their heads, wondering, "RH 9?  what happened to
8.1?  is this spam?  is that a typo?"  certainly, the fact
that most people were confused shows that it was *very*
badly presented.  it's *still* not clear why the jump to
9.  one would think that someone at RH would have had the
sense to predict that most serious red hatters would want
to know about that, yet there was no explanation.

  and, more to the point, that posting was pure spam.  it
provided no information, answered no questions -- just 
announced RHN for red hat 9, and "click here" to join
and give us some of your money.

  the disclaimer insisted that i got it because i had
"opted in" to get info.  i don't recall ever opting in,
unless they're talking about the official red hat mailing
list, and i joined that one because i wanted to get real
information.  that posting didn't even vaguely qualify.

  this whole thing was really poorly done.

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Re: Installing a new motherboard - anything special to do?

[Roland Roberts]

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Just to follow-up on this response; I just swapped a SuperMicro X5DAE
(had to RMA) with dual Xeons for a Tyan Tiger 230T with dual PIIIs.  I
had installed RH8.  Plug in all you hard drives the same way.  I also
installed a PCI NIC and sound in the new board.  Everything booted
just fine and kudzu noticed the "other" hardware changes (no onboard
sound, no onboard NIC, etc) and moved the configurations just fine.

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Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]

[John Nichel]

Ed Wilts wrote:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote:

Red Hat 9  What happened to 8.1?


Who says there should have been an 8.1?  Just because a whole bunch of
people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make
it so.  Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found
out why.
I'm pretty sure they released a beta for 8.1, did they not?

Version numbers are for marketing.  

Maybe from a sales department prespective, but not from a coding / 
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Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)

[Rick Johnson]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

can someone clarify this?  i mean, it makes no sense for red hat
to be sending out offers like this from the chtah.com domain,
does it?


All previous announcements have been done through this domain as well, 
including their RHCE specific surveys, etc. Unless they're really good, I'd 
safely say that they're contracted by Red Hat to do this.

I don't suppose you subscribe to "Under The Brim" either? All links point 
thru chtah. It's basically a reference tag to check who's going where from 
the commercial email they're sending out. Not uncommon - not pretty, but not 
uncommon.

-Rick

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RE: Logwatch not watching [SOLVED]

[Patrick Nelson]

Rick Johnson wrote:
> Patrick Nelson wrote:
>> Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>>> It's a bug.  Get the Rawhide version.
>> 
>> Oh really... shoot how much time I just wasted... darn...
>> 
>> So rawhide is 7.3?
> 
> Rawhide is rawhide - lastest and greatest bleeding edge. Latest betas
> are usually based on rawhide (or a good portion of it).
> 
> ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide
> 

For some reason I had it in my head that rawhide was 73... Oops!

Anyway, went to the above site and got:

 logwatch-4.3.1-2.noarch.rpm

then removed the old logwatch with rpm -ev and installed the new one with
rpm -ivh both of which succeeded.

Next I ran the command:

 /etc/lod.d/logwatch --print

and low and behold I had output.  Thanks Matthew and Rick.



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RE: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]

[Billy]

Its not the version number that people care about...the RHCE cert is based
on version numbers. So the big jump in version numbers makes the cert
worthless a lot faster!

-Original Message-
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On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote:
> Red Hat 9  What happened to 8.1?

Who says there should have been an 8.1?  Just because a whole bunch of
people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make
it so.  Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found
out why.

Version numbers are for marketing.

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Help Lucent amr modem driver

[gopalan harish]

 hi
 i just installed RH 8.0 on my system.I was looking
 for a driver for the modem i have on my system.It is
a
Lucent AMR modem and i could not find drivers in
linmodems for it.Can some one advice me how to make
the modem work or do i need to get a new one.
 
 Harish



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Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering Department
Boston University

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RE: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]

[Nicholas Marsh]

>> So, does anyone know what's new/ improved/ changed from 8?

If it like the beta (8.0.94), here are the release notes: 

http://rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/beta/phoebe/en/os/i386/RELEASE-NOTES



From: Jody Cleveland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:01:50 -0600
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> I doubt it...
>
> http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/

So, does anyone know what's new/ improved/ changed from 8?

Jody 



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RE: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Daevid Vincent wrote:

> Rober! This is *NOT* spam.
> 
> http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/
> 
> And the email I got FROM RH has my username and info in it. It is most
> certainly from RedHat, and it most certainly is v9.0.

if this is in fact legit, i'm more than a little stunned.  who at
red hat decided to provide contact information to a third-party
mass-mailing company?  what effect does this have on privacy
issues?

i would *really* like to know how my association with red hat
led to my contact info being given to a bulk mailing organization.

anyone?

rday



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RE: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Jody Cleveland wrote:

> >   before anyone gets too cranked up about this, it is almost
> > certainly bogus.  look at the return email address --
> > redhat.chtah.com.
> > 
> >   a quick browse of www.chtah.com shows an obvious
> > spammer.  so this is total nonsense.
> 
> I also belong to Redhat Network. They sent a message about this too. Looking
> at the headers:
> Received: from rhn-mail.rdu.redhat.com (mail.rhn.redhat.com
> [66.187.232.120])
> 
> Plus, it's all over their web site. They just don't say anywhere, at least
> that I can see, what's new in it.

at this point, it's not the existence of red hat 9 that's the issue --
it's the offer for RHN subscription that appears to be going back to
an obvious spammer -- that is, chtah.com.

while i may be wrong, it seems that chtah.com is trying to ride the
coattails of the recent legit announcement to sucker folks into
signing up with *them*.

can someone clarify this?  i mean, it makes no sense for red hat
to be sending out offers like this from the chtah.com domain,
does it?

rday



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RE: amanda?

[Kaya Büyükçelen]

So does anyone knows
if linux supports iomega?

If it does, I will buy it :-)

Else I need a tape drive :)

 



Regards,

Kaya
Büyükçelen

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Behalf Of christopher cuse
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Subject: RE: amanda?

 



Hi Kaya,





 





Yes I
would tink so as you can specify just about anything for backup media -- if it
is a device known to linux, than it should be acceptable.





 





Try
posting to amandas forum.





 





Cheers





 





Christopher
CUSE





RHCE/CCNA





 





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Behalf Of Kaya Büyükçelen
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:39
PM
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Subject: amanda?

Hello,

Does amanda support iomega zipdrive?

Anyone tried before?

 

Regards,

Kaya
Büyükçelen

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Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]

[Ed Wilts]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote:
> Red Hat 9  What happened to 8.1?

Who says there should have been an 8.1?  Just because a whole bunch of
people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make
it so.  Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found
out why.

Version numbers are for marketing.  

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RE: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)

[Ezra Nugroho]

Look at www.redhat.com there is a reference to RHL 9 over there.



On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:11, Jody Cleveland wrote:
> >   before anyone gets too cranked up about this, it is almost
> > certainly bogus.  look at the return email address --
> > redhat.chtah.com.
> > 
> >   a quick browse of www.chtah.com shows an obvious
> > spammer.  so this is total nonsense.
> 
> I also belong to Redhat Network. They sent a message about this too. Looking
> at the headers:
> Received: from rhn-mail.rdu.redhat.com (mail.rhn.redhat.com
> [66.187.232.120])
> 
> Plus, it's all over their web site. They just don't say anywhere, at least
> that I can see, what's new in it.
> 
> Jody
> 
> 
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