RE: CSThe color of silver
I would hazard a guess and say that the bottom of the electrode is sharp and has formed a current 'hot spot', and is emitting a stream of ions much as the needle point of a negative ion generator does. If one covered the end of the electrode with a non-reactive plastic perhaps this emission would then cease. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 9:29 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSThe color of silver Mike Monett wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61192.html RE: CSThe color of silver From: Ivan Anderson Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:03:44 Hello Mike, I am back on board for a while, and am glad to help where I can. This is great! There are many questions I would like to ask:) The mobility of ions (movement under the influence of an electrical gradient) in aqueous solution is measured as m2s-1V-1. That is, metres squared per second per volt. Metres squared because of the relationship between mobility and diffusion. Silver ion Ag+ 6.4 x 10^-8 Hydroxyl ion OH- 20.5 x 10^-8 As you can see the mobility of ions is extremely slow, 0.02mm per second for Ag+ at 30V. Notice that the hydroxyl ions travels at three times the speed of the silver ion. Ugh. Thanks for the information. This is a potentially crippling blow to my theory, but I'll think about it and see what develops. I have seen some mists leaving the anode, but only at high potentials or in contaminated water. Yes, I don't see mist at the anode very often, and only at high current. Here is an example of a 3 nines misting at both electrodes: http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg I have looked at this picture and believe that the mist coming off the bottom of the right electrode is actually very small bubbles. This is indicated by the pronounced upward bias to the direction they are taking. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScs and saline
Now, go ahead someone and set me up. No Way, you think I'm crazy? g -Original Message- From: Bill Fernald [mailto:b...@utopiatexas.com] Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 7:56 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScs and saline You only lose the ionic portion. The particulate remains. Best to start with a high particulate product if you are mixing with saline so you will still have some effective silver remaining. Now, go ahead someone and set me up. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSThe color of silver
-Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:mzmvdd...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 4:57 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSThe color of silver url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61192.html RE: CSThe color of silver From: Ivan Anderson Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:03:44 Hello Mike, I am back on board for a while, and am glad to help where I can. This is great! There are many questions I would like to ask:) The mobility of ions (movement under the influence of an electrical gradient) in aqueous solution is measured as m2s-1V-1. That is, metres squared per second per volt. Metres squared because of the relationship between mobility and diffusion. Silver ion Ag+ 6.4 x 10^-8 Hydroxyl ion OH- 20.5 x 10^-8 As you can see the mobility of ions is extremely slow, 0.02mm per second for Ag+ at 30V. Notice that the hydroxyl ions travels at three times the speed of the silver ion. Ugh. Thanks for the information. This is a potentially crippling blow to my theory, but I'll think about it and see what develops. I have seen some mists leaving the anode, but only at high potentials or in contaminated water. Yes, I don't see mist at the anode very often, and only at high current. Here is an example of a 3 nines misting at both electrodes: http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg Well, it looks like it is only emanating from one electrode to me. Some food for thought: OH- is generated at the cathode in equal quantities to Ag+ at the anode, until some silver ions reach the cathode. Yes, this brings up a small problem. Several people have posted observations of misting with a 3 nines after only 10 minutes of operation. This does not seem to allow enough time for silver ions to reach the cathode. Not quite sure what you mean. Ions don't need to reach the other electrode in order for the current to rise, indeed that would limit the current increase somewhat. At that time both water and silver ions are reduced here (and perhaps silver ions preferentially given the over-voltage required to reduce water) so the amount of OH- available for reaction with Ag+ is lower, perhaps halved at least. Something funny seems to be happening at the cathode with low current density (for example, 87 uA/sq.in.) With high current density, both electrodes are covered with a black film. Even if you wipe it off, the electrodes remain dark. When the same electrodes are run at low current density, the anode remains dark, but the cathode residue is removed down to bare silver. Steve mentioned that he tried running at low current and observed the same thing. Yes, I use that fact, and a generous distance between electrodes to design generators that don't require stirring, and yet still have an acceptable generating time ( 2hrs @ 500mL) because of the 30V starting voltage. If you get the parameters correct, by the time silver ions reach the cathode an acceptable concentration has been reached (10 - 15 ppm), and at 20 ppm only a very fine grey cathode coating. In my view the black coating on the anode is the look of silver metal disassociating into ions... I doubt that there is much in the way of silver oxide in this coating as oxygen is not generated in this process. Indeed this layer should not be disturbed, in my view, and should be left intact between batches. Also, for ions to interact they must pretty much collide head on with each other and with sufficient velocity to break through the shield of water molecules they drag with them and which form the ions hydrated radius. For example, the radius of the Ag+ ion is about 0.126nm while its hydrated radius is 0.212nm What does all this mean? well my view is: The concentration of silver ions will rise in the solution as long as water is reduced to H2(gas) at the cathode. The interaction between Ag+ and OH- forming AgOH or 2AgO (the two are interchangeable depending upon pH) is minimal, perhaps only 1 or 2%. There is some Ag(solid) colloids infused from Ag+ reduction at the cathode. Regards Ivan Yes, it seems the probability of silver ions combining with hydroxyl seems to be very low. The thing that strikes me is when misting starts, it occurs very suddenly. This has always surprised me. If the process is continued, the entire solution turns black and coats the sides of the glass. Yes, I believe that some form of micro arcing occurs and the electrode is sputtering rather than subject to electrolysis. However, misting does not seem to occur below a certain current density. Near the end of the process, I sometimes see very tiny gray fingers growing on the cathode. Perhaps you see them
RE: CSThe color of silver
Hello Mike, I am back on board for a while, and am glad to help where I can. The mobility of ions (movement under the influence of an electrical gradient) in aqueous solution is measured as m2s-1V-1. That is, metres squared per second per volt. Metres squared because of the relationship between mobility and diffusion. Silver ion Ag+ 6.4 x 10^-8 Hydroxyl ion OH- 20.5 x 10^-8 As you can see the mobility of ions is extremely slow, 0.02mm per second for Ag+ at 30V. Notice that the hydroxyl ions travels at three times the speed of the silver ion. I have seen some mists leaving the anode, but only at high potentials or in contaminated water. Some food for thought: OH- is generated at the cathode in equal quantities to Ag+ at the anode, until some silver ions reach the cathode. At that time both water and silver ions are reduced here (and perhaps silver ions preferentially given the over-voltage required to reduce water) so the amount of OH- available for reaction with Ag+ is lower, perhaps halved at least. Also, for ions to interact they must pretty much collide head on with each other and with sufficient velocity to break through the shield of water molecules they drag with them and which form the ions hydrated radius. For example, the radius of the Ag+ ion is about 0.126nm while its hydrated radius is 0.212nm What does all this mean? well my view is: The concentration of silver ions will rise in the solution as long as water is reduced to H2(gas) at the cathode. The interaction between Ag+ and OH- forming AgOH or 2AgO (the two are interchangeable depending upon pH) is minimal, perhaps only 1 or 2%. There is some Ag(solid) colloids infused from Ag+ reduction at the cathode. Regards Ivan -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:mzmvdd...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Monday, 14 July 2003 7:17 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSThe color of silver url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61187.html CSThe color of silver From: AScottSilver Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:26:01 I'm having way too much fun with CS. When I make it slow, it stays clear. When I make it fast, it turns yellow. When I mix it with tap water, it turns pink (or lavender). When I mix it with salt, it turns blue. When Frank makes it, it turns brown or grey. Is anyone else getting different colors? PS - I only use 99.99 silver and DW - no additives. Andy (^_^) Hi Andy, You will probably get many responses to this one:) I don't know about making it with tap water, but the other colors are an indication of the presence of particles and their size. There are many theories on how particles are formed. I believe it is due to the density of the ion clouds at each electrode. The ion clouds contain silver ions and hydroxyl radicals (OH-). The silver ions are generated at the anode: 2Ag(s) - 2e -- 2Ag(+) They drift slowly to the cathode due to the field across the cell. The hydroxyl ions are generated at the cathode: 2H2O + 2e -- 2OH(-) + H2(g) And they drift slowly to the anode due to the field across the cell. Eventually both electrodes are surrounded by invisible clouds composed of silver and hydroxyl ions. When the ion clouds become dense enough, the silver ions find themselves close enough to hydroxyl ions to begin combining. I believe this produces silver hydroxide: Ag(+) + OH(-) -- AgOH The silver hydroxide is unstable and forms silver oxide particles: 2AgOH -- Ag2O + H2O The particles combine due to van Der Walls forces and become large enough to absorb blue light from the spectrum. This leaves yellow as the dominant color in the solution. One factor that lends credence to this theory is the time it takes for both electrodes to start misting, assuming equal wetted area and uniform current distribution on both electrodes. In my experience, the cathode usually starts misting first. This cannot be explained by assuming the silver ions are departing the anode, which reduces the cloud density at the anode. The reason is the hydroxyl ions are also leaving the vicinity of the cathode, which likewise reduces the density. The two processes should be symmetrical, and both electrodes should start misting at the same time. I believe there is an answer to the puzzle. If the hydroxyl ions generated at the cathode move slower than the silver ions, they will take longer to reach the anode than it takes for the silver ions to reach the cathode. This means the cloud at the cathode will reach the density needed to start misting before the cloud at the anode. However, misting means there are now fewer hydroxyl ions available at the cathode to migrate to the anode, and the anode cloud will be less dense. Since the anode cloud is less dense, there is less chance of ions
RE: CSRe: Bob Beck interview
Hi Mike, Thanks for this reply, I did try to find a biography of Bob which was not just another clone. I feel he had an important part in modern alt.health, but perhaps his most important potential contribution may never be fully disclosed, if his brain tuner work is as described. Must say it was fun to read those old posts again, some of what I said then I still hold as true today which is good =) My commercial CS maker uses low current and takes over two days to make a batch, please post a link to your work. I have commented on one of the posts you supplied, not a complete answer, but I can fill in any specific gaps as required, if I am able. Nice to chat to you again Mike, Ivan. -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:mzmvdd...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Monday, 14 July 2003 9:16 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: Bob Beck interview url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61145.html RE: CSRe: Bob Beck interview From: Ivan Anderson Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:33:01 You could be correct, but regarding the strobe flash, there are 170 odd patents in the electronic flash classification of which only 55 are searchable by text. It is my understanding that his patent was an adaptation of the original with regard to portability or camera mounting or some such. Regards Ivan. Hi Ivan, Very nice to see your posts again! Yes, you have to have a subscription to Delphion to search the patent database before 1971. However, there are a lot of myths surrounding Dr. Bob Beck. One is that he made millions on his strobe flash patent. Another site has a biography, which states he sold it for $500: As a photographer, he applied his talents to developing an electronic flash for his camera. I learned to blow glass and I bought a container of xenon for $70. It was too valuable to leave at Wilcox Photo Sales where I was doing the work, so I took it home with me. Mother said, `What's that?' I said xenon. `What did it cost?' I said $70. She exploded. `You paid $70 for that empty glass thing!' When she looked at that she saw nothing. The gas was invisible. When I looked at it I saw the future of photography. Bob sold the patent his low voltage flashcube to Ed Wilcox for $500. That was the most money I'd ever seen in my life, paid for my last semester at USC When the Olympics were held here in Los Angeles and the coliseum was full of people, the announcer suggested that they turn out the lights in the stadium and people flash to signify they'd had a good time. I was sitting in my bedroom looking at the television and here were these what looked like hundreds of thousands of flashbulbs. Tears came to my eyes because I realized that all of those things were my grandchildren and it wasn't just one or two units or a dozen at Life magazine that I built with my own hands, it was the whole world using my grandchildren. http://sharinghealth.com/researchers/beck.html So, assuming he is blowing glass, he is trying to make a flash strobe like Dr. Edgerton's. However, Krypton is normally used for very high speed flashes, and is unsuitable by itself for color photography. Other gasses such as Xenon are needed to obtain the proper color balance: http://photography.about.com/library/weekly/aa040201d.htm This takes very expensive equipment to adjust the mixture and keep it correct. So it doesn't look like something you could make on a kitchen table at home. In addition, I think the general school policy around that time was for students to assign any patent rights to the University. It certainly was true when I was at MIT in the late 60's. I had to assign my first patent to MIT, and I still have the dollar they gave me in return: http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/patents/3674930.htm So I don't know how much truth there may be in some of these stories. But I think the important point is Dr. Beck was one of the early adopters of colloidal silver. I wrote Mark Metcalf and asked him where he got the idea for the three nines. He replied that he always credited Dr. Beck for the discovery in his articles. Also, Dr. Beck was mentioned very early in the list archives. So Dr. Beck's place in the history of cs is assured, regardless of some of the myths that may surround his early career. Anyway, it's great to see your posts again. I don't know if you remember me - I was the one with a lot of questions that you gently answered long ago: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m17180.html http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m17312.html Now, after searching
RE: CS H2O2, ag(+), NaCl
Perhaps so, But from what I have read of this thread, it seems that Frank is mistaken if he believes that current flows in an electrolyte by way of electrons, Current consists of electrons flowing through the electrically conductive ionic solution. In fact current flows in an electrolyte by the mobility of ions which traverse the solvent to gain or loose electrons at the electrode-solvent boundary. There is however, special cases (which usually involve extreme conditions), where free electrons do become solvated or hydrated. Hydrated electrons are most readily created by dissolving alkaline earth metals in liquid ammonia, and which are stable because they are caged or boxed by the solvent (the velocity of diffusion being the that of the cage). But in standard electrochemical cells this quote is sums current thought: In particular, what is to be questioned is whether or not free electrons in solution are ever present at any stage of the reaction. In general, the answer is that they are not. That such an answer can be given is due to extensive studies of the so-called hydrated electron, e(aq), formed, for example, by bombardment of water with high energy b particles (electrons emitted during nuclear disintegrations). This extremely potent reducing agent is very short-lived in water and could not be involved as an intermediate in solution redox processes except perhaps those involving the alkali metals. http://www.chem.uwa.edu.au/enrolled_students/Chem100/Chem100_sect4/sec t4.3.html While free electrons are unlikely to be introduced by the electrodes, they may be introduced into a solution by photoionisation or injected by low energy electron beam, and given that Frank mentions nano or microsecond kilovolt pulses, with a peak power of tens of kilowatts... Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: ascottsil...@aol.com [mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 12 July 2003 5:34 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS H2O2, ag(+), NaCl Aha! Now we know more about the mysterious mesoprocess then we did before. Soon the Japanese will be reverse engineering the process and selling it for pennies on the gallon. Either way, it's a free plug. http://www.colloidalsciencelab.com/ Andy (^_^) From: Frank Key No. We were not measuring Coulombs. We were measuring peak power in tens of kilowatts and average power in hundreds of watts along with pulse width in ns/us, pulse repetition rates, peak pulse voltage in kilovolts. From the raw data one could determine Coulombs, but we did not bother to do so. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCirrhosis of the Liver
Might I suggest one add L-Carnosine to this excellent list, up to about 1000mg per day. http://www.integratedhealth.com/infoabstract/carab.html Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:brooks.brad...@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2003 3:24 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCirrhosis of the Liver Dear Charles, We have conducted very few investigations directly addressing this challenge. However, we have, over the past 5 or 6 years received input from allied research groups relating some of their more powerful responses. My following comment is a distillation resulting from specific methodologies, used by them, to achieve positive response to certain cirrhosis presentations. The most promising results manifested from the following protocol (from among the volunteer subjects of one research group specializing in internal medicine afflictions): alpha lipoic acid [ dosage varied from 400 to 800 mg daily[applied on an individual case basis]; beta glucan 500 to 2000 mg daily (same basis as above); milk thistle herb [unable to find dosage data]; Taurine 500 to 1000 mg daily. A measureable synergism resulted from the addition of 6000 mg of vitamin C (natural source...e.g. acerola), and 1000 IU D-alpha vitamin E (natural source derivative), as an integer to the above protocol. I wish you well in your personal ecperimental researches. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Charles Sutton wrote: My sickly acquaintance list grows: I now know someone just diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver. The doctors told her the only cure is transplant. Does anyone know something about this?? I make CS a gallon at a time, if it will help I will be able to provide it until she is up to speed making her own. Thanks for any advise.. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Bob Beck interview
-Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:3hg0lm...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Monday, 30 June 2003 3:25 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: Bob Beck interview url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60796.html RE: CSRe: Bob Beck interview From: James Holmes Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:08:32 I haven't had a chance to research the toxic garlic syndrome yet, but my sensors tell me it is probably being promoted by the same people who say vitamin C causes cancer. Some of the claims are easy to prove false. You could be correct, but regarding the strobe flash, there are 170 odd patents in the electronic flash classification of which only 55 are searchable by text. It is my understanding that his patent was an adaptation of the original with regard to portability or camera mounting or some such. Regards Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSozone machines,,
It is my understanding that the normal cold corona ozone generating machines will only produce nitrous oxide when fed with moist air. Ozone produced for medical purposes (including dental caries treatment) should be fed with dry air, either by passing the air through moisture absorbing crystals or by heating it. Ivan -Original Message- From: akaJhon [mailto:maj.yo...@ellijay.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 May 2003 11:06 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSozone machines,, I use to belong on a 'ozone' list a year or two ago,, bottom line is that only a O2 fed machine will produce 'pure' ozone.. An 'air' fed will produce a mixture of strange gases,ie nitric oxide because air is not pure O2. It will kill mold etc.,,and will allso kill electronics etc because O2 is very corrosive..I have used my machine with that in mind,,I would not breathe it w/o a pure O2 source..but I have killed mold etc,,and aired the room out afterwards. All this was info from the top Oxone Guru...not me.. IMHO,,YMMV -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPROTEIN DIETS- THE GOOD AND THE BAD PRESS
Roman, An essay on Banting and his 1863 diet. http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/banting.html Ivan -Original Message- From: Roman [mailto:r_...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 11 April 2003 5:42 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPROTEIN DIETS- THE GOOD AND THE BAD PRESS --- Brooks Bradley brooks.brad...@worldnet.att.net wrote: It appears obvious, to us, that Dr. Atkins merely modified Banting's earlier knowledge relating to high protein diets. Modified in a sense that Atkins diet doesn't limit fat consumption, while Banting's did? Roman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS proper CS
Sounds like something is wrong, Pat. Run through the specs of your generator and process for me (forgive me if you have noted them already). Ivan -Original Message- From: INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET [mailto:pfsing...@msn.com] Sent: Friday, 11 April 2003 5:35 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS proper CS usually when I make my CS I make then drink it but if I let it sit I get black clumps that sank to the bottom. I guess I have good distilled water. the water jug says it's UV light micron filtered, distilled and ozonated. lead, sodium, nitrate, and arsenic are all non-detectable. sounds good. got it from Wal Mart. should I filter my CS or drink it all? pat wrote: every time I make my CS I get the black fuzzy stuff which I use a coffee filter to get out. but at the bottom of my glass I get this yellowish gold stuff that collects at the bottom and when I pour the CS from one cup to another to filter the black stuff that yellow stuff sticks to the bottom of the original glass. do I want that or not? what is it? Dean wrote: The black fuzzy stuff (if it's black, not brownish) is silver oxide. If you have some brownish stuff that drops to the bottom when you're making CS, it's sub-microscopic particles of silver surrounding tiny bits of hydrogen. You might also be talking about floaties, which are microscopic particles of silver that are clumped together with some oxygen bubbles to help them float (if the oxygen bubbles are released, then they'll sink to the bottom). Assuming you use good distilled water and .999 (or better) fine silver *with no additives to help it go faster,* then none of the black, brown or gold stuff will hurt you. They're all just silver in different physical forms and are non-toxic. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS CS patented-complete link
It is my understanding that the silver solution itself is not in fact patented at all. It is nothing more than a HVAC produced solution as produced by the method developed by Bruce Marx. Indeed, they site one of his papers as a reference in the one patent I have seen. This patent describes an apparatus for generating colloidal silver which, in summary, and if I recall correctly, takes an existing design and multiplies the electrodes so to make large batches. You can make CS which could rival this product, with a little care. Ivan -Original Message- From: INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET [mailto:pfsing...@msn.com] Sent: Friday, 11 April 2003 5:01 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS CS patented-complete link http://coralconnection.net/cci/colloidalsilver.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS - processing/elimination
Nia, I would doubt any difficulty in eliminating CS. That which is not eliminated in the urine would be eliminated by the liver via the bile. BTW, your sister may get some relief from her Crohn's disease by supplementing with vitamin D3. Her 25(OH)D levels should be about 100nmol. It might be worth a blood test to find out. Ivan -Original Message- From: S K [mailto:skai...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 11 April 2003 5:54 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS - processing/elimination But does the silver actually stay in the body tissues? I thought one of its advantages is that it doesn't get stored in the body as the other antibiotics (and thus doesn't damage the liver) but just 'passes by', kills the bugs and gets out. Does anyone know how the CS is elimated from the body? I have been recommending CS to my sister who has one bladder infection after another. She also has Crohn's disease and is missing 80% of her colon. I am wondering if the CS is eliminated before the colon or by the colon, and in that case, it would then stick around?? Any thoughts on this? Thanks. Nia MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS and H2O2
There is not a problem with the particle size of yellow or even gold CS. However, the darker and redder the CS is, the more likely that it is not very stable, and will settle out. That being said, I still have 10 Litres of yellow CS at 22ppm, that was made in 1998. Only add H2O2 if your solution is cloudy and unstable. Ivan -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 11 April 2003 3:56 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS and H2O2 Dear list, I need some clarification. I have been under the impression that if your colloidal silver was yellowish, then one can add a bit of peroxide. Once the color went clear, then the particle size was small enough so that it was no longer a cause for concern for internal use. Did I understand this correctly? Both my husband and I are using it internally so I need to be sure I got this right. Thanks in advance. pj Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: hypothyroidism - for Sharon
There are some health professionals that believe that both hypo and hyperthyroidism is a vitamin D insufficiency problem (like so many chronic illnesses), because of the strain put on the parathyroid to produce constant large amounts of PTH. Perhaps this warrants further consideration. Ivan -Original Message- From: Wetterauer, Letitia [MWPS] [mailto:lkwet...@iastate.edu] Sent: Friday, 11 April 2003 2:32 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRE: hypothyroidism - for Sharon You wrote: Can you expound on hypothyroidism? I do have it. But most of the docs I have been to just want to throw some pills at you and send you on your way, with no discussion on how best to live with it. I have my theories. Like that somehow it is connected to depression. And that strenuous exercise will help balance it. But these are just theories. Now I am worried that It will get worse if I take CS all the time. Is there a test to measure selenium Catherine? Dear Sharon, Hypothyroidism causes depression and one of the worst things docs do is throw antidepressants at women, which in themselves worsen hypothyroidism. It is known in medical literature that thyroid treatment can cure long standing intractable depression. Hypothyroidism has a major impact on brain health and function. Many new antidepressants interfere with thyroid function and T4 to T3 conversion. There are many sites that list the symptoms of hypothyroidism. Read Mary Shomon's Living Well With Hypothyroidism But, the sad thing is that I went for years and years misdiagnosed and suffered much health debilitation. Some signs are high cholesterol, weight gain, bloating, depression, low body temperature, cardiovascular disease, memory problems, digestive disturbances, sleep disturbances, and reproductive disorders from high estrogen. You can run a simple body temperature test on yourself http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-104.shtml to see if your metabolism is slowed. In the old days, hypothyroidism was diagnosed by some good physical tests of muscle response, the person's appearance (hair quality, nail ridging, skin condition, weight, etc.), and the nature of their complaints. Current tests that you obtain from the doctors are not adequate because they do not detect all conditions that can make a person hypo. A person can actually have normal blood work and be hypothyroid. Most doctors only test TSH. This test is far from adequate due to ranges being too broad and the fact that a person can easily have normal TSH and be hypo from a problem in the brain TSH feedback system. At the very least, you should have a Free T3 and Free T4 test and in all tests you should be above the midline somewhere. The reason for this is because it is mostly hypo people who have thyroid tests which skews the ranges for what is normal toward hypo. TSH should be between 1.0 and 2.0 not 1.0 and 5.0. Exercise can be helpful, depending on the type of thyroid problem you have. If you have a thyroid system problem with normal test results and maybe thyroid hormone cellular insensitivity or resistance, then exercise can help. It is best done several times a day for short (10 minutes or a little more) intense periods. This helps keep the metabolism and body temps higher throughout the day. However, if you have been hypothyroid for a while, it is likely you have been overworking your adrenals. Then, exercise can pull the system down and make you feel worse. It also increases demand for thyroid hormones and if your thyroid cannot keep up, then you won't get a lot of benefit. The adrenals actually try to compensate for low thyroid hormones by raising adrenalin and with hypothyroidism more cortisol is needed to deal with the inflammatory processes that are caused by being hypo. Long standing hypothyroidism often results in adrenal fatigue or hypo-function. Adrenal fatigue itself is! associated with depression, lethargy, hopelessness and mood disturbances. Violent offenders have been found to have low adrenal hormones. A good tip is to go to the Wilson's Thyroid website http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/ and find a Wilson's doc. They would be more likely to treat you not based solely on tests and they would be more likely to run more extensive tests. Mary Shamon's http://thyroid-about.com mentioned earlier is a very good site with many excellent articles and a doctor list. You can try supplements to help your thyroid and adrenals. Nutri-meds makes thyroid extracts which contain small amounts of thyroid hormones. Keep in mind that if you supplement with thyroid hormone and have adrenal fatigue, you are going to feel worse. In that case, you will need to help the adrenals with glandulars or hydrocortisone replacement. Tish -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to:
RE: CSGenerator question thanks
Sounds pretty good to me :-) Ivan -Original Message- From: hdka [mailto:h...@myecom.net] Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2003 7:23 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGenerator question thanks Tish I started with a 7Vdc power supply and when my scanner went south I now use its power supply 15Vdc 1Am I am very happy with my CS. I do have a hanna PWT metter and use . #12 wire. I make mine it be around 20 on the metter and it is always clear. Just the power supply and the #12 wire. No bells and no shut off, Yep I have went to sleep and got a 60+ reading but I still used the brew as it was still clear and few flakes. Now Ole Bob says I don't know what I have and that is true but he don't know either. I do know it is CS. I've been looking around at home made generators and I am not interested in the battery type. I know the ones you buy are simple under the cases and wondered if anyone has a website or place to look for good instructions to build my own high quality generator that plugs into a wall socket and that will last for years. Thanks. Tish -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Sincerely Yours, Hank. Very Interesting Sites http://www.babelmagazine.com http://members.myecom.net/hdka/ct/ct.html http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html http://www.babelmagazine.com/wing.html Now MyECom FreeMail gives you what you've been asking for. More storage space (10MB), large attachments that get delivered, WEB, IMAP, POP3 and SMTP access at no extra charge, Calendar, spell checker, mail filtering and auto-responders. http://freemail.myecom.net
RE: CSRe: Glutathione uptake
Hi Roe, I have given colloidal silver to my daughter for the last 5 years (she is now 9yrs old), but not constantly. She gets to spray her sinus and gargle if she feels a cold coming on, but that is not very often. Ivan -Original Message- From: Rosemarie Dubrowsky [mailto:roeath...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2003 10:11 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glutathione uptake Hello.. my name is Roe and I am new to this list. I have been using CS for myself for about a year or so, but only the store bought. I am planning on making my own in the near future because I am considering using for my son and husband. I am posting back about glutathione because I have run into the oral being wasteful in doing research for my son, who has autism. I have, for about the last 9 months been giving my son glutathione suppositories just about every night. I have seen some improvement in his health and connectiveness to the world as a result of this. I have also been treating for things like parasites, yeast, etc for him and feel that this is really key for his continued improvement. My 1st question is... have people used cs on their children? My son is 7 yrs old and weighs about 78 pounds and is 4 feet 5 inches tall. If you have used it, what kind of protocal is used? Thanks for any feedback! Roe -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSpurest ever cont'd. experiment
Ole Bob wrote, in part: For example those that use a pwt to measure conductance and convert that to PPM with a factor will have a REALproblem with my latest work. Normally the PWT reading is divided by somethine like 1.8 to get a relative PPM. MY newest process makes a CS that has a conductance reading (PWT to most of you) 12 for a real PPM of 12 And in some cases the conductance is less than the actual measured Ag+ ppm., and it is all nanometer stuff!!! Those that have the Wplot32.exe can request the data plots, if someone wants to see and requests Wplot32.exe I will send it as it takes 380 kB. 'Ole Bob and no Bull about it. I thought the accepted conversion factor was about 1.15 or dividing by about 0.85... you can't very well have less silver in the solution than the ions measured by conductance, as there will always be some unmeasured elemental particles there also, generally in the range of 5%- 20% I am interested that you note that the conductance reading can be less than the actual ionic concentration. What method was used to determine the Ag+ concentration? Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTest for silver sensitivity available?
Hi Rebecca, Spraying silver on the inside of the elbow is the only thing I can think of, other than to try and ingest a small amount. Can she wear silver jewellery? Ivan. -Original Message- From: Rebecca Mac [mailto:rleemac2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2003 2:55 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTest for silver sensitivity available? Hello, New to the list. Thanks for the great info. Question: A friend of mine was diagnosed and treated for Hodgkin's Lymphoma as a teenager about 25 years ago and is now suffering from a compromised immune system brough on by overly agressive chemo therapy. She regularly sees a naturopath and has a list of foods as long as I'm tall of which she is allergic. We are encouraging her to use silver in a nebulizer as an alternative to antibiotics when she gets a sinus/bronchial infection- which happens a lot. One of her concers is that she may be allergic to silver and greatly fears a reaction. Is there a test one can take to determine if one is allergic to silver? Thank you for you time and input. Much appreciated. Rebecca Mac Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScolloidal silver
Welcome Jay, You might find it easier to ask specific questions. Also there is a search option at the archives http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Ivan -Original Message- From: jay ice [mailto:guessic...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 7 April 2003 2:15 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CScolloidal silver hi. i was reffered to this list by a website. i just ordered a colloidal silver generator. i don't know too much about it but i've been recently into the natural healing methods cause doctors seem to only be able to do 2 things identify a problem but can't solve it or the're lost on the problem and give you a solution to something completely wrong. so pretty much i just want to be educated on colloidal silver and/or natural healers. i have quite a fewww issues so any advice and i'm all ears. jay Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS proper CS
Well, That is a pretty basic package. It really needs some sort of current limit to slow the reaction down, as Ken says. Perhaps you can disconnect one of the batteries? I would run no more than 15 mins with three batteries 30 with two and an hour with one. The latter will make the most stable, clearest CS, I should think. Ivan -Original Message- From: INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET [mailto:pfsing...@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2003 12:25 a.m. To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CS proper CS so far I've had my CS generator for maybe 2 weeks. it's from www.sunstoneherbals.com (you might be able to get a better picture than my description. it's the plastic casing type. fresh batteries, 2 week old . silver electrodes. make about 8OZ of CS daily. i guess thats it. - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson Sounds like something is wrong, Pat. Run through the specs of your generator and process for me (forgive me if you have noted them already). Ivan -Original Message- pat wrote usually when I make my CS I make then drink it but if I let it sit I get black clumps that sank to the bottom. I guess I have good distilled water. the water jug says it's UV light micron filtered, distilled and ozonated. lead, sodium, nitrate, and arsenic are all non-detectable. sounds good. got it from Wal Mart. should I filter my CS or drink it all? pat wrote: every time I make my CS I get the black fuzzy stuff which I use a coffee filter to get out. but at the bottom of my glass I get this yellowish gold stuff that collects at the bottom and when I pour the CS from one cup to another to filter the black stuff that yellow stuff sticks to the bottom of the original glass. do I want that or not? what is it? Dean wrote: The black fuzzy stuff (if it's black, not brownish) is silver oxide. If you have some brownish stuff that drops to the bottom when you're making CS, it's sub-microscopic particles of silver surrounding tiny bits of hydrogen. You might also be talking about floaties, which are microscopic particles of silver that are clumped together with some oxygen bubbles to help them float (if the oxygen bubbles are released, then they'll sink to the bottom). Assuming you use good distilled water and .999 (or better) fine silver *with no additives to help it go faster,* then none of the black, brown or gold stuff will hurt you. They're all just silver in different physical forms and are non-toxic. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: constant current
Pat, this is what you need! Ivan -Original Message- From: Medwith, Robert [mailto:medwi...@tacom.army.mil] Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2003 1:06 a.m. To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'; 'kf4...@papadocs.com' Subject: RE: CSRE: constant current Jim Go to Mouser electronics part no 610-1N5287 is a 1 Mill Amp Current Reg Central Diode this will keep you current at rated out put provideing you have sufficient voltage (may be lower at start depending on power supply) but never more the rateing There is a wide variety of sizes I use 1 MA but have know people use other sizes like 1.6 MA This in line on plus side will give you constant current (just get Diode in right direction) Price is very cheap Bob -Original Message- From: Jim [mailto:kf4...@papadocs.com] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 8:33 AM To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSRE: constant current I am generating my CS with 17 V DC power supply, but have to constantly monitor the current to keep it down. Does anyone know where I can find a circuit diagram of whatever it takes to make this a constant current, as the CS resistance goes down it will automatically keep the current down at a preset level so I don't have to monitor it. Thanks Jim -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAnthrax Comment - mesosilver
Frank, I notice you did not reply to the reference: Silver ion solubility in deionised water is 20-40ppb and in saline 2-4ppm. In the presence of microbes, silver ions bind to available enzyme thiol groups; thus altering the equilibrium and allowing more silver ions into solution. Silver is therefore available on demand to control microbiological activity. which is probably the most important piece of information in the whole debate. You go on to say: What in the body causes metallic silver to oxidize? They don't say. If you ever figure that out please let me know. Notice they claim that should a silver ion form as a result of oxidation, it immediately reacts with the available chloride ions to form the compound silver chloride. Which is exactly what I have been saying all along. Thereafter they speculate that bacteria consume the silver ions. However, their statement is self contradictory. If the silver ions form silver chloride immediately then there are no silver ions to be consumed by the bacteria. You can't have it both ways! It seems these fellows really don't have clue. You would be aware of the studies done by Dr Flick of SilverLon and others, who also state that silver metal dissolves to silver ions in the presence of biological fluids, and is available for interaction with microbes. Biological chemistry is a good deal more complicated than the simple 'add salt to silver ions and watch the silver chloride precipitate', which is really just a petrii dish experiment, and so is invalid by your own criterion. I would say that the weight of evidence is that silver metal does emit ions in biological fluids. Besides that, is it established that the silver ion as bound to chloride in silver chloride, is not available for further interaction with the sulphur groups as found in pathogens? It is likely that the silver chloride produced in biological systems is of extremely small particle size (because of the speed of nucleation) and is completely different to silver chloride as added to a petrii dish, and may have a far greater microbial interaction, due to the greater surface area of small colloids, which it has quite possibly become. One might also add that the fate of silver particles has not been established by you. Silver metal is tarnished by sulphide, one of the anions found in blood plasma. Can you say without doubt that these particles do not form silver sulphide? Indeed, can you say without doubt that these particles are not oxidised exactly as questioned by you in your message? No one can say with certainty what happens to silver solutions or colloids in biological systems except perhaps Stephen Quinto (and he is not telling), but it is quite clear that practically all forms of electro-generated CS work quite well. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com] Sent: Monday, 3 March 2003 11:33 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnthrax Comment - mesosilver Jason wrote: Here is another quote from a team of medical science doctors, in a study conducted to determine if coated catheters would be successful in-vivo: By Robert A. Jeanmenne, Jr., Caterpillar Inc., York, PA Mark DeLaurentis, MD., Memorial Hospital, Easton, MD Kambiz Pourrezaeik, Ph.D. and Richard B. Beard, Ph.D., Drexel University, Philadelphia, PA The chemical reactions that help supply the silver ions are related to the good supply of chloride ions that already exists in the blood stream. When the silver metal undergoes oxidation and dissociates into the silver ion, it immediately reacts with the available chloride ions to form the compound silver chloride. It is thought the bacteria consume the silver ions. Once the silver ion becomes part of the chemistry of the bacteria, it dies. What in the body causes metallic silver to oxidize? They don't say. If you ever figure that out please let me know. Notice they claim that should a silver ion form as a result of oxidation, it immediately reacts with the available chloride ions to form the compound silver chloride. Which is exactly what I have been saying all along. Thereafter they speculate that bacteria consume the silver ions. However, their statement is self contradictory. If the silver ions form silver chloride immediately then there are no silver ions to be consumed by the bacteria. You can't have it both ways! It seems these fellows really don't have clue. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMilk and heart disease, diabetes.
The correlation between drinking milk containing the A1 protein, heart disease, and type 1 diabetes seems very strong. Perhaps now the tenuous link between cholesterol, saturated fat, and heart disease can be severed. If saturated fat loses its unhealthy status hopefully the public will abandon unsaturated fat, or at least get a measure of protection from its oxidation in vivo, and the general health will rise. I know the linked article comes from a vested interest, but it is possibly the most concise précis of past and current studies. Regards Ivan. from: http://www.a2corporation.com/html/pdf/The%20Future%20of%20Milk.pdf ...Statistical studies on 16 countries including the U.K., France, West Germany, Iceland, New Zealand, USA, Canada, Finland and Ireland support Dr McLachlan’s work - the rate of coronary heart disease is highest in countries where A1 milk consumption is highest(9). Finland, as mentioned above, has the highest consumption of A1 protein in the world, the highest incidence of childhood diabetes, and, the highest rate of coronary heart disease in the world. West Germany: West Germany has among the most detailed knowledge of the diet and health patterns of its population. It has regional records of the breed of dairy herds dating more than 50 years. The incidence of A1 cows in herds varies from province to province - as does incidence of coronary heart disease. Schleswig- Holstein in the north, for example, has approximately twice the heart disease rate of Bavaria in the south. A1 levels in milk consumed in the north of Germany are also approximately twice as high as in Bavaria in the south. Dr McLachlan’s studies show a strong correlation between the regional rate of death from heart disease and the regional variation in the amount of A1 in milk. This same regional variation has been found in diabetes in young children. There is almost no variation in smoking or other risk factors for heart disease such as saturated fats... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMilk and heart disease, diabetes.COMMENT
Thank you Brooks, I don't really know the detail of the lab studies done, and although there were studies comparing whey protein with casein and soy proteins I have no idea whether the source of the milk based proteins were pasteurised or not. However, the statistical studies are as you say, compelling, and taking into consideration the points you raise I guess the best conclusion one can derive is, that if one obtains their milk based intake from pasteurised sources, then avoiding those that contain A1 protein would be wise, and this may mean avoiding milk products altogether in many cases. My main interest in these studies and statistics, and the main reason I brought it to the list, was because of the almost perfect link between heart disease and the consumption of milk containing A1 proteins, not only between countries with completely different diets, but also across regions with very similar diets. The consumption of saturated fats and cholesterol seems to play no part in the rate of heart disease if these studies are correct, and validates the opinion of various researchers of fats and oils. This puts much of the medical establishment opinion to the test, and may eventually lead to a reassignment of the health dollar to more productive areas...and in my view that is very important news. I hold the view that the replacement of saturated fats with unsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats, has led to many chronic health problems. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:brooks.brad...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Saturday, 22 February 2003 6:28 a.m. To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSMilk and heart disease, diabetes.COMMENT Without attempting to generate a detailed debate, I would like to introduce a comment on the very interesting treatise posted at the identified url. The information/claims posted are compellingif taken at face value and devoid of explanations of surrounding circumstance. snip -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDesirable % of voltage decrease?
Ole Bob wrote, Hi Ivan, I wish to thank you for questioning my conductivity reading several weeks ago. Reason, in my advancing years I misread the meter scale. In stead of being .70 uS/cm it was actually 70 uS/cm (CC) Actually conductivity is a scalar reading, but since my cell is one cubic centimeter I used to use uS/cc, but actually iS/cm (cc) better explains it. Well Bob, 70 uS/cm is quite an achievement itself. You chart on conductivity vs ppm is most interesting and will hold for most protocols. The chart is simply the resistivity and its corresponding conductivity, 1,000,000 divided by the resistance = conductivity in uS, which equals the ppm as silver ions times a fudge factor. HOWEVER I made a run yeterday that measures 14.56 ppm (specttophotometer) and has a real conductivity of 7.0 uS/cm (cc) and no meter errors in this. How do you explain this? Half ions, half nano-sized particles? The wide anode sample that I sent to Natural-immunogenics for AA and TEM according to their measurement has 9.87 ppm; 6.58 pH; and cond. is 12 uS/cm. The TEM indicates mostly sub-nm with some 24 nm size. The biologicals very very impressive, only slighty inferior to their product which is the best on the market. Ole Bob I am looking forward to doing a run with a small cathodemy anode already measures 12,000 sq mm (18.6 sq in). Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFluoride in toothpastes and other dental treatments
Is that you James? Or a clone? James Jr. To be well informed, look at the new treatment protocol using Ozone gas. This technique allows for the natural recalcification of dental lesions, and requires no dental removal or other intervention. The only negative aspect to the treatment is the obscene profits dentists enjoy, the per tooth treatment only requiring up to 20 seconds of ozone exposure. http://www.the-o-zone.cc/index.html I have tried it myself, and am going to fashion some sort of mouth guard arrangement so that one may treat the whole mouth with a single Ozone burst. I have abstracts where ozone is shown not to damage fillings already present. Ivan. -Original Message- From: James-Osborn: Holmes-Junior [mailto:a...@cybermesa.com] Sent: Tuesday, 18 February 2003 2:47 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSFluoride in toothpastes and other dental treatments www.trufax.org -Original Message- From: lindael...@aol.com [mailto:lindael...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:41 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFluoride in toothpastes and other dental treatments I'm trying to do some research on the use of fluoride in toothpastes, as well as the topical fluoride treatments many dentists use. I'm finding a ton of info on fluoride in the water supply, but none on these topical treatments. I'm going to have a discussion with my periodontist on this topic on Thursday, and would like to go in well-informed. Thanks for any referrals you can give me. Linda -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDesirable % of voltage decrease?
Sorry, Seemed to have made a few mistakes...in too much of a rush. To be clear. The initial statement is correct: Initial resistance in water (29.63V / 0.59mA) = 50K2 Ohms.[0.00059A and 50,200 Ohms] End resistance (27.6V / 5.95mA) = 4K6 Ohms [0.00595A and 4,600 Ohms] which showed a conductivity of 13uS (about 15ppm). That is a drop in solution resistance (as measured between the electrodes) of 54,800 Ohms, or a factor of 0.092. To corroborate this 'fantastic' drop in resistance (increase in conductivity) please note the equivalent resistance and conductivity values per cm as will be read by a standard conductivity meter: 1,000,000 Ohms = 1uS (about 1ppm Ag+ not including fudge factor) 250,000 Ohms = 4uS (about 4ppm Ag+) 100,000 Ohms = 10uS (about 10ppm Ag+) 76,923 Ohms = 13uS (about 13ppm Ag+) 66,666 Ohms = 15uS (about 15ppm Ag+) 50,000 Ohms = 20uS (about 20ppm Ag+) Hope I got it right this time :-) Ivan. -Original Message- From: Harvey Norris [mailto:harv...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 17 February 2003 9:56 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesirable % of voltage decrease? --- Ron Cuthbertson r...@blissout.demon.co.uk wrote: Yes, (I presume you mean dividing 27.6V by 0.00595A), and yes I did mean 0.00595A or 0.595mA. 4K6 = 46,000 Ohms. Should 4K6 not equal 4,600 Ohms? Ron -- Ron Cuthbertson I was confused about this also, but I think Ivan meant the 46,000 ohms. Another part of the problem is also the fact that 0.00595 A is 5.95 ma, not the stated 0.595 ma. This is why I noted that would be a fantastic increase of conductivity if it changed in a 10 fold manner like that. I think I now concur with the rest of the group that this dual coin submerged, higher voltage AC approach is worthless. The decreases in voltage I observed were also accompanied by a heating of the water, thus the condensation under the plastic coin holder. After the water recooled to household temperature this apparent voltage drop was not so evident. Today I started at 680 volts @ 8.5 ma, and ended 1 hr 15 min later at 540 volts @ 8.54 ma. Checking this same thing much later again showed the 680 volts, but at 8.38 ma? I also noted that exposing the water to very high voltage afterwards changed readings. That process is only a single electrode process where high voltage is placed between the bottom of the glass and the coins, so that no complete electrical circuit is across the water. This is a different process entirely unrelated to CS, and is used to procure a neon disharge for a Rife type treatment, from SrFe magnet windings under the steel plate the water glass rests on. This process also can produce prodigious ozone, with a buzzing noise made by the magnet. After 40 minutes, and reconnecting the process of AC conduction across the water: the new readings showed 740 volts across the coins, with a smaller conduction of 8.08 ma, after this glass of water from coins to bottom glass surface was exposed to an estimated 7000 volts in that process. Here are some jpegs of this Rife/Lakhovsky process Magnet windings under CS glass process http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/MED/Dsc00449.jpg Lakhovsky adaptation to Rife treatment (the magnet windings wire endings go to this neon part) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/MED/Dsc00451.jpg Close up scoping of EM emmited by patients finger; .2 volts/div, 10 us/div http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/MED/Dsc00452.jpg It surprises me that such a lower voltage ending reading on the CS process itself could be caused by a temperature increase like that, as that seems opposite to traditional thinking of temperature vs conductivity. Even though these poor CS production aspects revealed themselves, I still note a grayish tarnish made on the coins, and after longer runs some surface water deposits. But I will go by what the experts say, the LVDC approach should definitely produce a correct product, and my opinions should be considered out to lunch for now... But first I will next try a fullwave DC bridge before the coins on this same process to see if similar things happen, as my diodes are rated for 600 volts, so I could be safe in trying runs at 70% of that voltage. HDN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMSM (mixed with Rx's?) Try L-carnosine
Dear Laura, Can I suggest you do a search for an L-Carnosine topical cream. You may find that this works very well for improving the condition of scare tissue, even to the point of diminishing it somewhat. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: samma...@aol.com [mailto:samma...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2002 8:03 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMSM (mixed with Rx's?) thank you Dear Brooks, Thank you very much for explaining. Many people who are on prescription drugs probably would also like to use DMSO specifically, so it's important to know the possible effects. I would like to use DMSO on my husband's back to soften his surgical scar tissue and possibly help him avoid another surgery, but it's too risky with all the meds he's on. Thanks again, Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSThe Fifth Kingdom
Jason, Can I suggest this person start taking beta 1,3D glucan, as this will give a tremendous non-specific immune response (phagocytes), which has been shown to be effective against fungi. A gram in the morning and at night on an empty stomach would be my suggestion, with the synergistic addition of vitamin C. This combination has been shown to penetrate normally impregnable camouflages and coatings produced by some cancers, and may well do the same for fungi. Another substance worth investigating is Lauricidin, the purified derivative of coconut oil, monolaurin. This has proven anti-fungal properties also. http://www.lauricidin.com/technical.htm Best of luck, Ivan. -Original Message- From: Russ Rosser [mailto:russros...@rovin.net] Sent: Monday, 23 December 2002 1:54 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSThe Fifth Kingdom Jason-- You might want to try d-LENOLATE™. I heard the inventor of this special olive leaf extraction process interviewed on the Technology Hour radio show Sat. on the American Freedom Network. http://www.theradiobeacon.com/american_freedom_net_live.htm . Mention the show for a '3 for the price of 2' discount. It also carries an unlimited-time, 100% guarantee (Send back the empty bottles...) The product is supposed to be more stable long-acting than conventional OLE, and work prodigiously against candida...so it might combat your fungus. Incidentally, he cites the book of Ezekiel regarding olive leaves being eaten for the healing of the nations. --Russ - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: CSThe Fifth Kingdom Brooks: Speaking of Fungus ( well, sort of ), I'm dealing with a unique situation concerning an infection: five types of lethal military engineered molds... the infection has established itself in the lungs, the intestines, and I believe the heart. The official prognosis is terminal. So far, the infection has resisted IV ozone, all possible allopathic treatments, and is resisting IV H2O2. I have an idea of how to address the intestinal infection... Any suggestions? ( I'm currently consulting two MD's, and the individual has hired two fantastic alt med MD's -- one from Russia who, I am told, has extensive experience along these lines... apparently, the Russian citizens are no strangers to modified molds ). Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Brooks Bradley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: CSThe Fifth Kingdom I felt that some, among the list members, might be interested in this---most informative treatise on fungi. Referring to the section on medical considerations might prove informative. The pictures are not for the faint-hearted. We are, at present, initiating a special study on bioremediation using lignin-based materials (sawdust, shredded tree refuse/heavy shrub trash, etc. as the substrate for the mycellium), for erosion control and soil stabilization. This investigation looks quite promising from both enviornmentally-friendly and cost-effectiveness considerations. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. http://www.mycolog.com/fifthtoc.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSVirus
Andy, You should try plain text, much easier to read. Regarding viruses and bacteria. A virus is an entity which has the sole purpose of replication. It may contain DNA or RNA which is the template upon which replication is founded. A virus will release its DNA/RNA into the cytoplasm of a host cell where the normal cellular building processes will use it as a code or template for the manufacture of the protein parts of which the virus is composed. When the time is right, the many copies of the protein parts will self assemble into complete viruses and leave the host cell, often taking a part of the cells own membrane as a coating. Infected cells are often destroyed in this manner, and the local immune response is often overwhelmed or even a target of viral infection. When the immune system is compromised, opportunistic bacterial infection may take hold (those bacteria which would, in the uncompromised host, normally be destroyed by the immune system as a matter of course). A bacterial infection can quite often include toxins exuded by it, usually as a defence against attack, which often are toxic to the host. Colloidal silver is quite toxic to most bacteria, and may even render some toxins benign, also silver may be toxic to viruses, through various mechanisms which might include an expression of greater numbers of white blood cells (invigorating the immune system), direct oxidation of the virus or bonding to certain viral proteins projecting from the viral coat and tagging it for disposal by the immune cells or rendering certain viral processes inoperable. Hope this helps your understanding of the matter a little. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: ascottsil...@aol.com [mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, 16 December 2002 8:18 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVirus Hi Marshall, When people catch a cold from a virus, it often turns into bronchitis or pneumonia (bacterial infections). We also know that certain viruses such as hepatitis can cause cancer. I suggested that a virus might cause bacteria toxins to form in the lymphatic system. CS might kill the bacteria but not the virus. Also, a virus is not limited to DNA, it can also attach itself to a single stranded RNA. I just threw this out there for discussion but I will probably be punished for it grin. Best wishes, Andy Scott From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVirus Where you get the idea that viruses can produce bacteria? A virus is a small piece of DNA, a bacteria is a full organism with a cell wall and contains dozens of dna strands. Where would all the information come from to produce the other dna strands even if this were possible? Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFrozen CS
Yes, you guys have it nailed. The higher the solute content of a solution the lower the freezing point. So when you freeze sea water to a certain temperature ice crystals will form, further concentrating the unfrozen brine and further lowering the temperature at which that brine will freeze. One must freeze sea water to -50C at which point 99.7% of the water has frozen, and 99.7% of the sodium and 95.5% of the chloride have precipitated. In the Popsicle a high proportion of the water of the sugary solution has frozen and concentrated the sugar and flavour to a syrup which is still liquid, but is found throughout the ice-lattice, held there by capillary action I suspect. Concerning CS, at some point the solution becomes so concentrated that the silver ions will precipitate out as a salt... silver hydroxide/oxide I guess. I wonder if that can be resuspended into an ionic CS again. If one heats silver oxide above 150C the oxide decomposes... to what metallic silver? Could one make a fine metallic silver powder this way? Mind you, it would take a lot of CS to make a gram of silver powder. Cheers Ivan. -Original Message- From: Dean Miller [mailto:dtmil...@midiowa.net] Sent: Monday, 16 December 2002 8:41 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFrozen CS Hi Marshall, On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:39:48 -0500, Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: You can freeze sea water and get virtually pure water in the ice. All the dissolved salts in sea water are ionic. I see no reason well water should be different. I agree, freezing salt water will produce mostly pure water ice. But ... have you ever had a Popsicle? :) Ivan can probably tell us what conditions are necessary to freeze substances along with the ice. If I can find the time, I'll try freezing some CS and then melt and test it's ppm rating (now to find a glass ice cube tray). -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS with MSM.....
Michele, How much MSM are you taking? Vitamin C works synergistically with MSM, I suggest mega-dose 2-4grams of VitC or until your bowels loosen. MSM is known to help with parasitic infection. Also you must drink lots of water when taking MSM or whenever die off is suspected. You may be experiencing the consequences of killing off the yeast infection... if it gets too much, back off your doses a bit, and build up slowly. Look at taking 500mg twice a day on empty stomach of Beta Glucan, this will up your immune system function and will fight Candida. Good luck Ivan. -Original Message- From: Michele Lee [mailto:ml...@firelandsschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, 17 December 2002 1:41 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS with MSM. Do any of you take MSM with CS? What is the benefit of MSM? I'm taking CS for candida. I have been so sick and constipated (sorry for the details here) with the MSM! Advice needed, Mic -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSalpha-lipoic acid and acetyl-l-carnitine
Dave, The Juvenon product (brought to you by Bruce Ames http://www.chori.org/news2.html#news2 who has researched these substances) contains 200mg Lipoic Acid and 500mg Acetyl-l-carnitine. http://www.juvenon.com/product.html My view is that 250 - 300mg of Lipoic acid is good for a reasonably healthy person (double if diabetic). However, LA has a short half life in the human system, and is cleared from the cells quickly (2hrs). So I suggest dissolving in water and drinking throughout the day for maximum benefit (or taking a timed release version). The carnitine can be taken in the same manner. Brooks has found that a 'much smaller' dose of carnitine to be more effective, so I guess that could be less than half the LA dose. Expect you dancing a jig shortly. Ivan From: Dave Darrin (view other messages by this author) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:41:12 -- -- In searching the archives I came across this from Brooks. Some time ago there was a TV report of age reversal with rats as subjects where one very lethargic rat after recieving only one dose began behaveing like a pup, running, climbing the cage etc. So I gave it to my dog and he started doing things he had abandonded four years ago. After three or four doses it began being harder and harder to get it down him so I stopped. It took about four months for the effects to wear off and return him to laying on the couch most of the time. My question for Brooks is What dosage would you think would be appropriate for a 170 Lb. man? From: Brooks Bradley (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:37:49 I have noticed that there has been, quite recently, some interesting references to possible benefits from using alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-l-carnitine.in combination. The latest comments originate from the Linus Pauling Institute. Their claim is for an order of magnitude increase in effectivity..over either substance ingested alone. I was VERY interested in their commentssince we have prosecuted a series of mammal-based evaluations..using these very subsances in concert. Our results trackvery closelythose claimed by this Institute. We did not deem it necessary to undergo the expense of Blind Studies for such an exploratory-type investigation; we, none-the-less, have a substantive confidence there IS merit to this protocol. Through varying the proportions of the two compounds, we have arrived at a tentative assumption that-alpha lipoic acid is the most powerful progenitor in the combinationand is more powerful in results when combined with much smaller portions of acetyl-l-carnitine-than when the reverse conditions are manifest. The principal reason for our original interest was based upon our pronounced interest in addressing the challenges of age-related insults presenting in humans and other higher mammals. I am, at present, discussing the adviseability of mentioning the dosage protocols we found to be most efficacious. If I can obtain the proper legal assurances, I will.most probablypost a synopsis of our results to the list. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTest
testing one, teou...one, teou, teou. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNebulizer
All the silver would be left behind in this process, wouldn't it? Yes it would. You need a nebuliser that uses air or ultrasonic vibration. Ivan -Original Message- From: Roy Thompson [mailto:dra...@ezwv.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 10:49 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNebulizer Okay. I have a question for anyone that can explain... Perhaps this is a silly question. How exactly does a nebulizer work? How does it create the mist that is inhaled into the lungs? I was out shopping for Christmas over the weekend and thought I found an effective and cheap device to get CS into the lungs. Now I think that in my excitement and haste I screwed up by overlooking a simple insight. The device I bought it one of those things that creates the mist (steam) by heating up the liquid. Now I kind of have the feeling I paid 10 bucks for something to distill all the CS out of my already distilled water. :) Is this what is happening to my silver in my steam device? It now makes sense to me that I am probably defeating my purpose. I am sure the silver falls into the catagory of heavies when it comes to heating the water up to a boiling point. All the silver would be left behind in this process, wouldn't it? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSsilver coins for throat infection
I doubt if you would liberate much in the way of silver ions Y J. Better just to gargle or sip CS. Ivan -Original Message- From: Nicole K [mailto:e...@canada.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 9:35 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSsilver coins for throat infection Well, this has all been very interesting, but I still don't know if holding a coin of acceptable purity in one's mouth would be of any benefit to a throat susceptible to infections. Come on, guys and gals, those of you with indepth knowledge of these matters, give out... please Y J -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHyperthermia
Only that is used quite successfully as part of a cancer treatment protocol. Also used to treat 'chronic inflammatory conditions such as ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease Rheumatic conditions Bronchial asthma Chronic and recurrent viral infections Conditions requiring detoxification'. What condition are you trying to treat with this? Ivan. -Original Message- From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube2...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 7:21 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHyperthermia HiIf anyone has any knowledge of hyperthermia.and its useor any success stories...I'd appreciate hearing what you have to say.I've been studying it and I'm also making feeble attempts to practice it...so far I've had some good.and some interesting effects from the heatthanks in advance.Robb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSacred areas and healing clays
That would be Rotorua, Jonathan. I believe there is at least one mud bath spa, much in the tradition of the Russian. Yes, it is a magical place, 30 minutes drive from where I was born... Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 7:22 p.m. To: *Silver-List* Subject: CSSacred areas and healing clays A few years ago I visited Hamilton, NZ, and went to an area there which is sacred to the Maori -- a mesmerizing place of bubbling pools of molten clay, steam spouts, and so on. I could have stayed a lifetime. Pure magic. But the tour guides dragged me away. I would not be at all surprised if this area has healing clays. I have a strong sensitivity to energy fields, and this place had quite a charge to it. The name does not come to mine -- Remoura? Ivan, do you know? JBB -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CStuberculosis
Ah yes! Cayenne pepper causes the vascular system to dilate, a full body flush. Brings blood to the surface capillaries allowing for better CS absorption and distribution. Another great idea. Thanks Jason. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@lvcm.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 5:53 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CStuberculosis Thanks, Stan. J. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSA unique CS applicator?
Nice find...nice units. Looks like some of the systems use skin penetrating electrodes. The DermaSeptic I guess has a central silver electrode (anode) surrounded by a circular cathode or visa versa Antiseptic treatments can be administered at pre-programmed intervals or (as a pre-treatment) whenever the transcutaneous device is accessed. It is this control of ion density, through active penetration of tissue that Klearsen Corporation is offering in its Active Antisepsis T systems. For wound care applications, Klearsen plans to use the same integrated circuit controller that is used in the DermaSeptic to drive a disposable bandage suitable for large area wound protection and antisepsis. This bandage could find ready application to burns, Herpes Zoster (shingles) and eczema conditions which are too large to be conveniently treated by the DermaSeptic. Surprised if they aren't infringing Becker's patent here. Patent Application 20020161323 gives an in depth description on how this might be achieved. Check out the nasal cleaner...perfect for CS? Ivan -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 11:26 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSA unique CS applicator? http://www.klearsen.com/dermasep.html The DermaSeptic is a unique electronic skin care device. It delivers natural, antimicrobial silver ions deep into the skin so the infection can be terminated before it breaks out into an open sore. ** How do you think the cs is getting under the skin? Chuck I don't pretend to understand the universe--it's much bigger than I am --Einstein -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSH2O2 and CS, cloudy?
Jason and Paula, You don't need to have silver flakes, any elemental particles will be ionised by H2O2. The process generates O2 gas, and it is these very tiny gas bubbles which turn the CS cloudy or turbid. They will dissipate in time, and if you have added enough H2O2, the CS will become a crystal clear solution of dissolved silver ions. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@lvcm.com] Sent: Monday, 2 December 2002 7:00 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSH2O2 and CS, cloudy? Paula: Chances are you had some tiny silver flakes in your colloidal silver, or a significant amount of larger particles. The H2O2 starts to break the silver down, and thus can cause turbitity. A slightly yellow colloidal silver without any silver flakes will rapidly turn upon adding the H2O2. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: sol To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: CSH2O2 and CS, cloudy? Hi all, I decided to try putting some 3% peroxide in CS (16 drops to just over a quart of CS) and it immediately turned very milky/cloudy. Is this normal? If it isn't normal what happened? This particular batch of CS had turned out fairly yellow. TIA, paula -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMy CS test results
Well, it depends upon how much elemental silver is in your CS. just
start with a few mL and let it sit over night. End result should be
crystal clear, and not too bitter (too much H2O2).
Whether the CS is improved by this would be debated by some
investigators.
Ivan
-Original Message-
From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@cableone.net]
Sent: Saturday, 30 November 2002 6:42 p.m.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMy CS test results
Anyone want to answer this ?
How much H202 and at what % to improve CS ?The
strongest I have ever bought
is 35 % food grade H202 , its kind of expensive. But how
much do you need to
put in CS ? Say a quart ? We can figure up or down from
that. Do you think 3
% H202 in the brown bottle store bought would hurt anything...?
Tel
Dewey, AZ
MARIANO DELISE wrote:
For allof us non technical types, I believe you are
saying what my body has
been telling me that it is advantageous to add H2o2...Is
this correct?
Nancy
- Original Message -
From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: CSMy CS test results
Thanks Rob, good work.
The addition of H2O2 ionises any particulate silver and
any Tyndal
effect found in the 100% ionic batch needs further
investigation, as
discrete ions should not scatter the light beam.
Ivan.
-Original Message-
From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube2...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2002 11:59 a.m.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSMy CS test results
Hello,
From the time I first started making my own CS I have
occassionally had it tested at our local college. {atomic level
tests} My latest tests that I had them do was to see if indeed
whether or not H202 mixed at 1 drop for every 2 ounces
did actually
decrease the partical size. I had three tests done:
1. First a test on 1 gallon of my CS unaltered.
2. A test on a second gallon of my CS after adding 64
drops of H202
[I ordered this test to be done within 30 minutes of
adding the H202]
3. A test on a third gallon of my CS after adding 64
drops of H202
after waiting for at least 24 hours.
I have not received yet the paper showing partical
sizes..but I
did talk to them on the phone. First of all my CS
unaltered was 75%
ionic and measured 18 ppm.
Tests 2 and 3 were dramatically differentnumber
2 was 88%
ionic and 3 was 100%. This actually proves what I had
suspected: that
the reaction actually takes much longer to complete
than what I had
originally been told. I suspected this for 2
reasons...first..the older my CS got after
adding H202 it had
less of a tyndall effectand second.the
older it gets
after adding H202 the stronger it tastes.
I have some mixed H202/CS that is more than 2 weeks old
and it hasn't
precipitated or shown any other signs of going
badanybody
who doubts the advantage of adding H202 should have
their own tests
done. I'll post all of the numbers when I get them in
the mail. Robb
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RE: CSMy CS test results
Nancy, No that is not what I am saying at all. I am not giving an opinion as to whether this results in a better CS or not, just describing what happens when one does add H2O2 to CS. All the same, I am glad that you find the addition beneficial. Ivan. -Original Message- From: MARIANO DELISE [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] Sent: Saturday, 30 November 2002 4:38 p.m. To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSMy CS test results For allof us non technical types, I believe you are saying what my body has been telling me that it is advantageous to add H2o2...Is this correct? Nancy - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: RE: CSMy CS test results Thanks Rob, good work. The addition of H2O2 ionises any particulate silver and any Tyndal effect found in the 100% ionic batch needs further investigation, as discrete ions should not scatter the light beam. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSORMUS and stills
Jason, Thank you for a most informative and interesting post. I have found your previous messages on the subject of healing clays extremely interesting also, and I will investigate further as time permits, as I feel there must be some good clays here in New Zealand... there certainly are for potting, which was a hat I wore for some years in the distant past. NZ is quite thermally active, and there are a number of sites with bubbling mud pools and so on. I wonder if these clays would be worth investigating. The marriage of silver and healing clay sounds like a great idea from outside the square. Please keep us informed of your progress. Kind Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@lvcm.com] Sent: Saturday, 30 November 2002 8:39 a.m. To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSORMUS and stills Ivan: Indeed, mysteries prevail... Unfortunately, the ORMUS products that are available that CAN be studied are not the same as Hudson's products. I had the privilege many years ago to examine some of Hudson's monotomic gold and Iridium - when Hudson's dream was still alive and fresh in the mind of those investing in his project. Holding the Iridium in your hand was like burying your hand in a large bin of sea salt for hours, only the feeling was hundreds of times more potent. I have always been interested in the monoatomic elements, as reportedly the healing clays are rich with them. This is one reason why I have been so diligent in attempting to find natural and unprocessed clays to study, as my understanding is that any processing of substances with monoatomic elements greatly effects them -- just like Aloe Vera. On a related note, I just had a wonderful meeting with Thierry Brunet and his wife from France, of the Buruli Busters ( http://www.burulibusters.com ) organization. His mother heads the non-profit relief effort in Africa, and he has been touring the world meeting with the top pelotherapy practitioners and clay scientists of the world. We have yet another recent documented case of severe mercury poisoning ( this one nearly lethal, with symptoms including comas, a stroke, and neurological abnormalities )being eliminated within one week of clay baths made with larger amounts of Montmorillonite, and Illite taken internally. Final questions remain on the best way to pull the mercury from the head/brain region, but all symptoms have been completely eliminated. Blood tests have been taken for a comparison, but the results are not back as of yet. An analysis will be done on the used clay itself, as well. I believe at this point I have sufficient evidence, although anectodtal, on the efficacy of silver as combined with clay against at least viral conditions, due to repeated successes done by comparing the action of silver alone, clay alone, and silver and clay combined against various forms of herpes breakouts. In the future, we hope to test the clay silver combination with the Buruli ulcers. Silver alone is not likely to be effective against this condition due to the fact that it is nearly impossible to deliver anything to infected tissues ( while in the beginning treatment stages ). Somehow, although no scientist or expert to date has discovered how, the illite, when placed on the body externally, is reaching the infection site through prolonged treatment. I believe that silver added to this mica clay, at least in the later stages of treatment, will vastly improve tissue healing, and may help to avoid the unpleasant side effects often encountered about mid-way through the treatment ( the immune system tends to breakdown and the individual can become quite ill for a period of time ). Such work on my end has been very slow going. I've been having problems identifying the difference in efficacy of the various clays, and think I've finally isolated one factor in the smectite class of clays: It appears that high sodium bentonites/montmorillonites are far less effective then their virgin counterparts when used on the body. Kind Regards, Jason -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBetr.: RE: CSaddendum to CS and my cold
Well Jef, I don't mean to make you anxious. I can't see why you would be, CS is a great arrow to have in the quiver and as far as I can see, is perfectly safe and very effective. The 'magic powder' (as my daughter calls it) is a micronised blend of beta glucan, C salts (potassium, calcium, magnesium), alpha lipoic acid, MSM and caesium chloride, in a powder form. I am thinking of adding L-carnosine and kelp, and perhaps a few other goodies. This is a pretty good immune potentiator and protectant, a blood sugar normaliser, with anti-oxidant and anti-aging properties =) I take 1/2 a teaspoon in water first thing in the morning, and add 1/2 teaspoon to a litre of water (with a little lemon juice for flavour) which I drink throughout the day. I might also add that I take 4000 IU of Vitamin D per day (divided by two) 500mg of cal/mag and two multivits, which rounds out my daily supplement intake. I don't mind if I miss a day or two here and there. I hope to eventually formulate a supplement that contains all the necessary ingredients to sustain (or achieve) good health (probably in two distinct powders or concentrated liquid form) which will be cheap to purchase and easy to take, and will do away with the need to consume a myriad of different tablets, and so increase the likelihood that people will stick with it long enough for it to do some good. Probably more than you wished to know... but I hope I covered all bases. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jef Ackermans [mailto:j...@iles.azm.nl] Sent: Friday, 29 November 2002 1:45 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBetr.: RE: CSaddendum to CS and my cold Hello Ivan. You make me very anxious. Want you tell us what's your magic powder Thanks Jef i...@win.co.nz 28-11-02 11:05 Yes, Wrong assumption, no doubt fuelled by overzealous reports and over hyped sales pitches. Colloidal silver can only protect you from those pathogens it can contact, so nasal infections can be expected. The method, amount and period of administration will also have some bearing upon the amount of silver presence in the blood, i.e. a little many times throughout the day will result in prolonged availability as opposed to a single large dose. Personally, I do not rely on silver as a defence mechanism, preferring instead to bolster and hone my immune system by taking my 'magic powder' dissolved in my drinking water. CS is brought into action on the rare occasion that I actually develop an infection. Regards Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSLurkers
Nice to have one message from you at least Charles. Nice one it is too. Now you will be able to tell your Grandchildren I posted to the Silver-List and so be held in high esteem by future generations gr Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jeanne Shuford [mailto:rus...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, 29 November 2002 4:20 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSLurkers Mike i have been a lurker for almost a year now, and with your permission will remain a lurker for many more years. I don't jump in but i read every word you guys write and find it extremely interesting and helpful. I have found that (besides the lots of times humor) if i read long enough everything i have ever wondered about with this topic and a whole lot more comes up and there is no need for questions. You all do such a good job that i have no need for questions. I purchased my equipment from one of your respected vendors and am very happy with it. i make enough cs to cover my childrens' families as well as my own and we give some away also. please all of you keep up the good work and i will remain as a lurker forever - thank you all for such great information, Charles Shuford -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSORMUS and stills
Thanks for the offer ed. Can't really help you with any specks or even specs gr other than to tell you that I had a bit of a war of words with a chap on another list, some years ago, who swore that distilled CS was indeed better. I, of course, regaled him with chapter and verse that silver could not possibly pass with the steam into the distillate. Sometime later I did read a treatise upon ORMUS minerals in which it was declared the these unusual elements (to say the least) would indeed distil with water vapour. I filed it away for future reference, and hereby apologise to that man, should he be listening. I guess the only way to see if this might be true is to try it, but scientific measurement, I fear will be fruitless, as these elements do not register in the normal way, if at all, even when you have a pile of the stuff sitting in a dish in front of you. See David Hudson patents and lectures. wondering also Ivan. -Original Message- From: edkas...@pacbell [mailto:edkas...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, 29 November 2002 7:12 a.m. To: *Silver-List* Subject: RE: CSORMUS and stills I am keenly interested in this stuff. I produce CS using 110VAC to a DC Bridge. Comes out pretty clear. I also have a professional distilling unit that is capable of pulling a deep vacuum (if needed) I use the unit for producing herbal products. If the idea that distilled CS is better I'm willing to give it a try. If someone gives me the specks I can run a few batches of pre-distilled CS and then Distilled CS and have both tested. Within limitations I'll pay for the testing whatever and post the results on list ed kasper, santa cruz ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPWT -- TDS COMPARISON
Thanks for your kind words George. Yes I did state that 0.57uS equalled 1ppm as silver (at 10ppm), but noted that this was a theoretical number. This multiplier holds true when one measures silver nitrate for example. However the measurement of colloidal silver in actual practice reveals a multiplier of about 1 to 1.2. I do not know why this should be so (perhaps we are measuring clusters of ions) nor why there should be a range of multipliers, other than stating the obvious that different processes produce different CS characteristics. In my own case the multiplier is about 1.0 (which is quite convenient), I produce 90% ionic CS. The only way to achieve accurate results, is to calibrate by testing for silver by another method and then if you keep your process the same your conductivity conversion factor should be pretty accurate. I am fortunate to posses a Silver Ion Selective Electrode which enables me to accurately measure the concentration of silver ions, with out the worry of interfering species, Cheers Ivan -Original Message- From: gallen4...@aol.com [mailto:gallen4...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, 29 November 2002 9:36 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPWT -- TDS COMPARISON Ivan, In the comparison of PWT -- TDS readings I posted on 11/18, the TDS readings are what the meter measured . What I multiplied by .57 was the raw reading of the PWT. Thus: PWTTDS 30 x .57 = 17.10 16 19.49 x .57 == 11.11 10 27.49 x .57 = 15.67 14 For the PWT results: where the third decimal place was more than 5, I rounded up. In response to my posting, someone responded that you had changed the multiplier from .57 to 1.2 Is this correct? I believe there are a good number of non-technical types like me on the list who would find an explanation by you of how to achieve accurate PWT readings as useful as are most of your other posts. George
RE: CSPWT -- TDS COMPARISON
Hi James, Unfortunately, any H2O2 that remains unused will interfere with the reading, making it higher than it should be. Ivan -Original Message- From: James Allison [mailto:apothec...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, 29 November 2002 9:56 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPWT -- TDS COMPARISON I would like to know what the meters each read on some 100% ionic that is done with the H202 added as per an earlier message. Anybody? Yours in health, James Allison -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCleaning Electrodes
Try Hydrogen peroxide JBB. Ivan -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Friday, 29 November 2002 2:21 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCleaning Electrodes List, If this topic has come up in the past, apologies. I am looking for suggestions for faster and better electrode cleaning. If the 'trodes are not sparkling, the brew may have sludge, even with the best machines. Suggestions? I am weary of the absasive scrubbies. Is there a better, faster way? JBB -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSaddendum to CS and my cold
Yes, Wrong assumption, no doubt fuelled by overzealous reports and over hyped sales pitches. Colloidal silver can only protect you from those pathogens it can contact, so nasal infections can be expected. The method, amount and period of administration will also have some bearing upon the amount of silver presence in the blood, i.e. a little many times throughout the day will result in prolonged availability as opposed to a single large dose. Personally, I do not rely on silver as a defence mechanism, preferring instead to bolster and hone my immune system by taking my 'magic powder' dissolved in my drinking water. CS is brought into action on the rare occasion that I actually develop an infection. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: mary lee gladieux [mailto:dg...@buckeye-express.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2002 6:24 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSaddendum to CS and my cold Thanks for the hints on how to stop a cold but I didn't expect to even get one since I'm drinking CS every day. Is this a wrong assumption? Mary Lee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSORMUS and stills
Well Andy, that's true enough, although I am planning on sticking around for quite a while. I believe the ORMUS elements do exist and that there are relatively simple ways of concentrating them. I have not tried distilling CS, one day I will, but as for taking readings... only the ORMUS silver is supposed to pass with the steam, and even the most sophisticated labs have trouble characterising the stuff. Keeping hold of it once you have it is another problem. Perhaps I will give it a try these coming Holidays. Ivan. -Original Message- From: ascottsil...@aol.com [mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2002 6:39 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSORMUS and stills Hi Ivan, I think you could spend more than a lifetime on the subject. Anyway, you mentioned ORMUS. Do you know if the stuff really exists? It sounds good in theory. Also, have you distilled CS and taken readings? I've often wondered if the silver would stay in the vat, precipitate out or both. Thanks Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBetr.: Re: CSCS and my cold
3% I hazard a guess, seeing as how this is the strength I use. Must say I start with straight H2O2, and follow up with CS... combining them sounds like a good idea. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jef Ackermans [mailto:j...@iles.azm.nl] Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2002 8:18 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBetr.: Re: CSCS and my cold Hello Tel Dewey, What is the strenght of this H2O2? Jef -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold
Hi Andy, Some might say that the white powder gold is the philosophers stone. Many powers are attributed to it and its sister elements. The Hermetic treaties are generally written in a type of code unfortunately, which makes it hard to take them at face value. It is said that the ancient Egyptians knew the secret, and the furnaces on the mount where the bread of life was baked, as found in the bible, were involved in synthesising the powder. I have heard it said that distilling colloidal silver causes the ORMUS silver element to pass with the distillate. Heady stuff, and something I would like to devote a little time to, if ever I have a spare moment. Regards Ivan Hi Ivan, Are the byproducts of the Philosopher's Stone what you were referring to? snip the white powder which transmutes the white metals to fine silver; the red elixir with which gold is made; the white elixir which also makes silver, and which procures long life-it is also called the 'white daughter of the philosophers'. Treaties on Philosophical and Hermetic Chemistry Paris - 1725 The above publication has detailed instructions for making The Elixir of Life. The earliest reference I have found is from Zosimus at the beginning of the fifth century but unfortunately, I don't have that transcript. I think that one would cost the long buck. (^_^) Best wishes, Andy
RE: CSThe essence of bioluminescense
Glenn, There are quite a few molecules (drugs) that are attracted to cancer sites and can be activated by light to form compounds toxic to cancer cells. Some of these would be toxic in their active forms to normal tissue also, but because of the selective manner in which they are activated (intense light of various wavelengths) can be used without harm to normal tissue. I have not heard of Hypericum having this dimension but that sounds quite exciting. Do you know what wavelength of light is required? Thanks, Ivan -Original Message- From: lighthawk1 [mailto:lightha...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2002 5:36 p.m. To: silver-list Subject: CSThe essence of bioluminescense Can anyone here shed some light on any of the theraputic techniques that use light for virus treatment (or bacteria,cancer, etc)? Do any of these techniques respond synergistically or compliment CS treatment? Actually, my interest is a bit more off topic as it relates to the active constituents of St. John's Wort in pursuit of an effective protocol using CS, St.John's Wort and light. I am now, thanks in large part to this group, making a very good quality CS. I have also harvested a quantity of St. John's Wort from the pristine heights of the Cascade Mts. where it grows out of rocks and is considered a noxious weed - displacing with its vigour - the native species. This points to a synergetic rebalancing of ecologies, from the mountain system to our internal system. (sounding a bit too spacey here, but the thought might provoke some interesting response and, true confessions, I am serious and do enjoy the broader speculation). A reading of a MedLine search indicates there are various and interrelated aspects to Hypericum that are fascinating. I have also seen some discussions in the archive relating to various light therapy. I would like to investigate light related techniques myself and so would appreciate input here - or elsewhere if too off-topic. I have read some summaries/abstracts that investigate the activation of immune response with light on Hypericum perforatum Linn (St. John's Wort). These immune responses seem to operate without light, but are much more active with the light response. St. John's Wort (SJW) is accepted as having antidepressant activity. It is also known to have an effect on the liver, increasing enzyme activity and the rate of certain metabolic reactions. In a related manner it has been investigated for use in cancer treatment because it is a photodynamic agent, one aspect being a photosensitizing agent, taken up and retained by tumor cells. When combined with the wavelength matching the absorbtion spectrum of the drug (hypericin), in the presence of oxygen, cytotoxic products result that cause irreversible cellular damage and tumor destruction. Or so says the abstacts. I am getting a bit fuzzy here in my understanding of the biomedtech terms, but it seems within reach to ask, what are the possibilities for using accessible photodynamic therapies (PDT) in conjunction with SJW? Has anyone here joined these modalities in thought or practice? I have scanned the archives so I know there is some interest in light therapy, and would greatly appreciate any pearls from luminaries within. It would seem to coincide with the benefits of CS. So, how would one make a photodynamic tool that will enable an experimental reaction with hypericum in vivo? Glenn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMy CS test results
Thanks Rob, good work.
The addition of H2O2 ionises any particulate silver and any Tyndal
effect found in the 100% ionic batch needs further investigation, as
discrete ions should not scatter the light beam.
Ivan.
-Original Message-
From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube2...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2002 11:59 a.m.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSMy CS test results
Hello,
From the time I first started making my own CS I have
occassionally had it tested at our local college. {atomic level
tests} My latest tests that I had them do was to see if indeed
whether or not H202 mixed at 1 drop for every 2 ounces did actually
decrease the partical size. I had three tests done:
1. First a test on 1 gallon of my CS unaltered.
2. A test on a second gallon of my CS after adding 64 drops of H202
[I ordered this test to be done within 30 minutes of adding the H202]
3. A test on a third gallon of my CS after adding 64 drops of H202
after waiting for at least 24 hours.
I have not received yet the paper showing partical sizes..but I
did talk to them on the phone. First of all my CS unaltered was 75%
ionic and measured 18 ppm.
Tests 2 and 3 were dramatically differentnumber 2 was 88%
ionic and 3 was 100%. This actually proves what I had suspected: that
the reaction actually takes much longer to complete than what I had
originally been told. I suspected this for 2
reasons...first..the older my CS got after adding H202 it had
less of a tyndall effectand second.the older it gets
after adding H202 the stronger it tastes.
I have some mixed H202/CS that is more than 2 weeks old and it hasn't
precipitated or shown any other signs of going badanybody
who doubts the advantage of adding H202 should have their own tests
done. I'll post all of the numbers when I get them in the mail. Robb
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RE: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold
My take on the question. Colloidal gold and colloidal silver are two different fruit and cannot be compared. Silver is an antimicrobial first and foremost, with the ability to cause tissue regeneration if used correctly. Gold's major uses is as an arthritic treatment. Gold salts have been traditionally used, but come with side effects, whereas true gold colloids do not seem to bring this downside. There is some research which suggests some increase in cognitive abilities, at a dose of 30mg per day (which is a litre of 30ppm colloidal gold). As an antidepressant... I guess this is possible (although perhaps subjective) but as Lithium has this ability it is not out of the question. However, do not confuse colloidal gold with a solution for the soul and quote ancient passages (as some places do) which in fact refer to the White Powder Gold or Bread of Life or Mana (monoatomic or ORMUS). White Gold is a very elusive substance, and was the goal of ancient and modern day alchemists, and does indeed have powers that effect the 'soul'. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jan Bolen [mailto:juri...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 1:59 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold Dear list, Perhaps I missed something being on the digest list, but in the discussion about colloidal silver and colloidal gold, did anyone say anything about the advantages of using colloidal gold? In other words, why would someone want to make and take colloidal gold over colloidal silver - would it be better? Would it have different effects?Just curious. I'm still buying it (cs) over making it because my mind seems to turn off when I read the technical discussions. Someday I'll break down and buy a generator. I would like to add my agreement to the person who said she doesn't want to legislate what people ingest. I'm a very 'laissez-faire' kind of person and I think people should make their own decisions - good or bad - on what they ingest or how they live, etc. etc.. By all means, give them the information, but then, let them alone! Jan Bolen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Colloidal Gold
Colloidal gold, like all true metallic colloids, changes colour with changing particle size. Yellow at 13nm Red/Orange at 15nm Red at 30nm Wine Red at 30 - 40nm Violet at 50nm Blue at 70nm For further info see the Mie Theory of light scattering and extinction. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: brian...@hotmail.com [mailto:brian...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 2:37 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Colloidal Gold I believe CG's colour should be pale purple through red and then to deep blue with increasing gold concentration. I don't know if particle size would effect the concentration. One method that's used to produce CG is an underwater high voltage arc between gold electrodes seperated by about 1/4. A neon sign transformer typically is used as it has the characteristic of being effectively current limited and able to produce enough voltage to keep the arc sustained. Commercial neon sign transformer are limited in the range of 20 to 120mA, with the most common units being 30 mA. It has been mentioned to me that 15Kv (15 thousand volt) neon sign transformer with 60mA capacity is what gives good results. These neon sign transformers have an alternating (AC) output. The high voltage (15Kv) would, I assume, start the arc, and then the neon sign transformer will adjust output voltage to some lower voltage to keep it's current limited output going through the arc. Electrode spacing apparently has some effect on current as well. In a previous post, it was said that keeping the gold electrodes small was required to sustain the arc. I believe, the arc, in effect, releases colloidal gold particles. This method also uses distilled water that's cooled and kept in motion during the process; a bit different than the process described by akaJhon. BTW, I've received many responses to my query about creation of a colloidal gold discussion grup. They are all encouraging me to setup this list, so I'll proceed. It's been suggested by several that moderation is essential for such a group for various reasons. More details to follow. Thanks! Brian. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPWT - George Allen
George, I am not sure how you went about comparing the readings between the two meters, nor where the .57 factor was applied. What were the raw readings and what did you multiply by .57 Cheers Ivan -Original Message- From: gallen4...@aol.com [mailto:gallen4...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, 18 November 2002 11:02 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS(no subject) I have had a Hannah TDS meter for several years, but following the discussions about the PWF, which said generally that the PWF had greater accuracy, I bought a PWF. I have just completed a comparison of the readings on the two on the CS I make. For the PWF readings I used the .57 conversion multiplier which Ivan developed. PWFTDSDIFFERENCE 17.10 161.1 11.11 101.1 15.67 141.67 dw 2.1 2.1 `15.38 14 1.38 dw 1.21 .2 In an effort to ensure accuracy, at this point I calibrated the PWF 13.90 151.1 dw 2.4 2 .4 14.36 15.64 11.97 10 1.97 8.8910 1.11 I think it was Ole Bob who pointed out that accurate readings with these meters requires repeated tests with large quantities of liquid. For the small quantities that most of us make, the readings are only approximate. If my comparison is valid, since the difference between the readings is so small, never reaching 2, is it worth investing in the higher-cost PWF? George Allen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: Colloidal Gold
Andy, Things change a bit when looking at electrolysis or galvanic reactions. The definition of anode and cathode, the anode is where an oxidation reaction occurs (the species loses electrons) and the cathode is where reduction occurs (the species gains electrons). As electrons cannot travel through water they must traverse from the anode to the cathode via connecting wires. The gold anode is held at a positive potential which sucks electrons from it, oxidising it to positive gold ions, which then travel to the negatively charged cathode where they will eventually plate out, regaining the electrons that they lost. Regards Ivan -Original Message- From: ascottsil...@aol.com [mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 7:43 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRE: Colloidal Gold Hi Trem, Regarding your below response, gold doesn't tarnish, rust or oxidize very well. That's why it's okay after it has been lost at sea and recovered. I think it will eventually disintegrate through electrolysis though. Try gold plating something like a car bumper. Also, I think you might have your polarity back assward. The cathode is the emitter and the anode is the collector. Remember vacuum tubes? The electrons fly off of the negative charged cathode towards the positive charged anode. Hope this helps, Andy Trem -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
Trem, There is no reason at all to suppose that gold will not reduce at the anode (as I have said more than once in the past). It is just like any other metal, excepting that it hangs on to its electrons with greater energy than any other. This is why it will not dissolve in seawater, there is no other metal strong enough to remove the gold electrons. Gold has a standard reduction potential of 1.5V above the reduction potential of hydrogen, so any applied voltage of about 3V and above should be enough to start the process. The trouble is of course that the production of oxygen gas is probably just slightly less than that of gold (1.45V) and it is quite likely that one would quite likely produce a lot of O2 in preference to gold ions. Another fact to note, is that gold is most stable as the Au+++ cation, and therefore requires three times the charge and three times the time, compared to silver. I have not undertaken any experiments with LVDC gold production myself, mainly because I do not trust the ingestion of gold ions to be safe (there is some info that suggests this) as opposed to gold colloids, the latter which cannot be made by the LVDC method. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 11:21 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold Hi Jannette, Vey inteerestinggg. I'm at a loss to see how this can work. A gold electrode just does not disintegrate using low voltage DC electrolysis. At least it never has for me. Gold coins lost at sea for hundreds of years come up looking the same as the day they were submerged and they are continually being exposed to electrolysis. And of course the silver electrode has to be the CATHODE (negative polarity) or it will be the one to deteriorate if you use DC. The anode is the one that releases particles. Did you mistype the polarity in your post? Quite a mystery to me. Do you know how much current is flowing? Sure you're not using their HVAC model? Apparently it puts out 10,000 VAC but no current is mentioned on their website. Trem - Original Message - From: Jannette McKoy-Abel je...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold Trem, Color: It has varied from clear (5-10PPM) to pale violet (10-15PPM) to ruby violet (15+PPM). The time has been from 5 - 71/2 hours. Voltage: 0-52 + Volt Power System 0-3000ma - constant current Electrodes: Both immersed in 16oz. distilled water, with gold cathode and silver anode 5 long spaced 1 apart. I have a 2-port system, so I make 2 batches at once. Hope this info is useful, Jannette Hi Jannette, What color is the CG? How many volts are you using...that is: are you using HVAC (10,000 VAC or so) or are you using LVDC (under 100 volts DC)? How much current? Are both electrodes immersed? How far? What is the spacing? Are they both gold? Thanks for answering. I'm sure there are many inquiring minds that want to know. Trem --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
Jannette, I don't think your multiplier (1.4) can be right. This is what I get. PPM (as silver) divided by three (gold valence) times 197/108 (atomic weight gold/silver)= 0.6ppm (as gold). Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jannette McKoy-Abel [mailto:je...@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 2:36 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold Frank, I use a TDS meter calibrated for CS. I then multiply the PPM by 1.4 to arrive at the approx. gold ppm. Jannette How did you determine the concentration of gold achieved? frank key --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
Yes bubbling or stirring may do as you say, but I don't really know. Got to be worth a try. Well, my electronic skills are very laboured, I guess we all have our forte. cheers Ivan. -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 2:56 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold Hi Ivan, Thanks for your information. I must admit to my ignorance of chemistry. My knowledge is more in the electronic field and others. What I don't understand is why I have never been able to dissociate gold atoms using LVDC and others say they have. Do you think that bubbling or stirring may prevent the formation of oxygen around the gold which protects it from disintegration, thereby allowing dissociation? Thanks for your input. Wish I was more intelligent in that area. Regards, Trem -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
No worries Ken, they get us all every so often. I do agree with your sentiment for sure, I believe the way advertising is used is evil, and has its hand in the social and moral decline of our western civilization. Mate, I think turntables and valves sound best. Returning to measurement error and your ruler example. Yes the ruler is the same the entire range, start to finish, but imagine that we have viewing system that can zoom in and out, but only allows us to see 100 marks at a time +/- 2 marks. We zoom in so that we can see 100mm of this ruler, this is the 100mm scale ;-), we can see all the millimetre marks +/- 2 so our error is 2% of the full scale reading. Now we zoom out so that we can see 1 metre of the ruler, the metre scale. The 100 marks we can see (+/- 2) are centimetres and so our error then becomes +/- 2 cm which is also 2% of the full scale reading. Digital equipment works this way because one, there is a limited number of display digits, and two because they use limited digital to analogue converters which split the thing being measured into a finite number of bits. Your digital multimeter works this way. The error of an analogue meter with a swept gauge has a similar error, but this arises from the inability to print fine enough marks on the face as the scale gets larger and the ability to read them accurately. A ruler has the same problem, it measures an infinite number of points most of which we can't see. Hopefully you will think a little better of your Hanna meter. in error Ivan. -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2002 6:59 a.m. To: *Silver-List* Subject: RE: CSTDS/PWT meters Sorry Ivan Strange mood and recent encounters with lawyer mentalities in consumer industry. [Ripped off by ommissive merchandising] It's not me fighting you, it's commentary about how truth can be more legal than true. Last shot at making the point, I promise. If you ever gone out and shopped for an amplifier, you won't trust the specs to be clear. Peak power doesn't mean the amp will sound good a over half volume and so on, but using a peak power rating makes the product look good...THEN you may or may not find the fine print at the end of the manual. Nearly everyone tries to make their product look as good as they can without actually lying. Confusion is often deliberately promoted even in the biggest and best. Microsoft never just comes out and says your system might hang or crash now and then. ATI doesn't tell you your expensive video card might make the entire system totally unstable. They leave that for you to find out. Samsung proudly advertizes on one of its DVD players a full screen button that gets rid of those midgets and black lines,[Oh look Marge! Now we can watch the same sized TV we bought!] but fails to mention anywhere that the button makes everyone look like Barney Fief [Tall and skinny]. OHH Kaaayy, it does what it says it does but you still can't watch it without going insane. [Legally true but not truthful to the buyers obvious intent and purpose of the function] Now these are major companies with , uh, ethics..right? When Hanna failed to mention that the full scale at 999.9 was not the same as the operational range of 99.9, I lost quite a bit of faith in them. How does one attach a value to something without mentioning what that something is despite its obvious importance to qualifying the value? If you have a one foot ruler with an accurate range within the first inch, the full scale is one foot no matter how fuzzy the lines are after one inch. If then, you state that accuracy is related to the whole ruler, what leads one to assume that the first inch is any different than the whole ruler? Is it the fact that they failed to tell you how long the ruler was...implying that it was only an inch long, by ommission? When I discovered 'all on my own' that my ruler was ten times longer than they implied it was and clearly attached accuracy to the whole thing...not just the first inch, it left a lot of questions about how well it works when attaching accuracy to the range rather than the scale would have made it very clear. Reads accurately within +/- 2% in an operational range of 99.9 uS with a full scale of 999.9 uS What's so hard about that? One lousy sentence says it all and places truth beyond reproach. The way they DID state it says lawyer all over it. Lawyer means 'who gets away with what', never mind the truth. The two 'could' be the same but don't have to be and the 'system' implies that it always is. [but experience says otherwise] Why do you suppose laywers and the system have their own language? It's certainly not about communicating with clients. Note any similarity between that and merchandising? Were these small hand held meters designed for scientists? Does 'this' meter have more than one scale?
CSRatchets for JOH
Mate, Glenn went radishes at me...what do you expect! rhubarb Ivan -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:a...@cybermesa.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 October 2002 6:27 a.m. To: *Silver-List* Subject: RE: CSbrewing parameters ratchets, What sort of NZ jargon is that Ivan? Please translate for the other English-speaking listees. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [mailto:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 3:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSbrewing parameters Glenn 50mm spacing allows the silver ions to solvate and disperse, and limits dendrite formation on cathode. Are you in a hurry? The time required relates to the current passed, if you limit the current you extend the time required, but make a finer brew. Stirring lengthens the time required also. And of course the time depends upon the concentration required. I don't really know how long your set up will take, but I took a shot based on the bulk cs I have brewed. I presume you have some sort of testing equipment? ratchets, Ivan. -Original Message- From: lighthawk1 [mailto:lightha...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2002 3:23 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSbrewing parameters Ivan, thanks I will be starting a new and improved batch tonight. Why the 50mm spacing? Does that serve to limit arcing? My generator has jacks for the electrodes which are soldered in a matching male jack. These are 20mm apart, but I do not have to use that spacing with clips. I'll cut the silver to match both the 1/2 and 1 gal containers in length They are approx the same depth. I'll closely monitor the brewing current as it progresses and use constant stirring as before. That way I can program the %current reduction with some accuracy. With the 1/2 gallon container and no current limiting and a shorter electrode length I was going approx.5 hrs. Do you really think a day or two?? How do other units get the job done quicker? radishes, Glenn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
Not sure what your spray about lawyers butts, PhD's etc. has to do
with the interpretation of error in conductivity measurements, your
world clearly is confused.
But surely not so confused that the difference between a range and a
full scale reading is not clear.
You say: It would have been easy to have stated accuracy as +/- 2%
within it's intended range ...not full scale. which would make
full scale irrelevant, but they didn't.
Yes they could have said that for single range meters, but you ignore
the explanation I gave for this... and is reported as percentage full
scale (this is
because some meters have more than one range and thus the full scale
reading and error is altered accordingly)in other words the error
for the range 0-99 is one tenth of the error for the range 0-999. This
also has the added advantage of allowing the direct comparison between
meters as to which is the most accurate.
For the rest of your message I have no answer... it would be easier to
just duke it out... your place or mine?
Ivan
-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, 28 October 2002 4:52 a.m.
To: *Silver-List*
Subject: RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
Hanna's spec reporting is industry standard.
Full scale and range are two different things. The range is a
description of an interval of numbers in which the unit will perform
within spec. Full scale (reading) is largest number within the range.
You just said that range and scale are not the same thing, then,
that they are.
It would have been easy to have stated accuracy as +/- 2% within it's
intended range ...not full scale. which would make full scale
irrelevant, but they didn't. Why would that be?
Perhaps Industry Standard 'Reporting' is as full of butt covers as a
lawyers closet.
A covered butt can still toot in tune, [especially if faced off with a
tuning fork before each performance] it just doesn't 'have' to.
The PWT does perform as we apply it better than expected but it's far
from perfect. [it's not 'just' the meter]
CS is a very weird sort of water. The conductivity changes even in the
same batch. The very act of measuring it seems to change it. [OK, call
it stabilization. Will any two batches stabilize the same?]
The PWT might be great for testing salinity. Saline solutions are
pretty stable. CS? Who knows?
Are we mixing our own metaphors? [Absolutely! Measuring apple sauce to
see how many oranges there are.]
I have not been 'happy' with ANY of the methods for measuring PPM
including the various ways that labs do it. I also know it doesn't
matter that much as long as we stay within a nebulous range of common
sense.
We're not feeding it into a computer. It doesn't take a furniture
maker to adequately frame a house.
I won't let something like that ruin my day. It's just no big
deal..like an apple to an elephant.
But it does take some explaining to those who want precise numbers and
can't get them.
People expect and demand certainty and tend to get certainty from
people who will give it to them whether or not there really is any.
Then they wonder why so many people say so many different things and
why their results don't exactly match any of the statements.
Not enough butt covers leads to em-bare-ass-ment? {Sure. That's the
way the real weird world of comparisons works}
Does PHD stand for piled high deniability?
The mountain, to the ant vs the elephant, is but a matter of relative
time and awareness. Neither probably gives a hoot, being focused on
eating the apples and oranges found along the way. But an apple to an
elephant is a morsal while it's a mountain of food to an ant.
[something worth fighting over]
Moral to the story:
The CS you like the best is the best CS.
If there's some way to make something different, 'that' may become the
best CS that you like best.
Batch to batch repeatability is more important than person to person
comparison. In that, a Hanna meter does OK and the PWT does that
better than the other Hanna meters no matter what the specs say or how
they read.
It would seem that everything having to do with CS is subjectively
relative, CS still does what it does and it's hard to hurt yourself
with it if ANY degree of common sense is employed.
Common sense doesn't rely on specific numbers.
Being 'more right' doesn't make anyone totally wrong.
The world is clearly confused. Why not admit that nothing is what it
looks like?
Ken
It stands to reason, then reason wobbles around its eccentricity.
The absolute determination of ppm as silver ions etc. may be
difficult, but the measurement of conductivity is not. Discrepancies
between different meters can be overcome by multi-point calibration
within the expected range.
## The tuning fork. If one was not used, don't even 'think' about an
arguement...then think twice about apples and oranges.
Discrepencies are not entirely due to the instrumentation, however,
Hanna could have stated their specs without mixing them up.
A mountain to an ant is
RE: CSPWT METER READINGS
Hi George, The theoretical relationship between conductivity and ppm as silver ions (at 10ppm) is 1ppm = 0.57uS or 1uS = 1.75ppm. However, in practice it has been found that a 1:1 relationship (uS to ppm) through to 1:1.2 seems to be about right. Trem might be able to elaborate a little here. Ivan. -Original Message- From: gallen4...@aol.com [mailto:gallen4...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, 28 October 2002 5:58 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPWT METER READINGS Ivan, I have just acquired a PWT meter, but don't know how to interpret the reading. A recent posting said that some time ago you did some research about quantifying the reading to an approximation of ppm. The person posting said he recalled that you came up with a number -- .59 -- with which to multiply the PWT reading. I have searched the archives, but have not been able to find your original post on the matter. Could you please confirm the .59 figure? Not the science, just the arithmetic. Thanks, George Allen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFw: My CS Setup.........
Tom, I posted a method for estimating CS concentration vs the change in conductivity of the solution as measured by the solution resistance. The idea I had was that the drop in resistance is equal to the rise in conductivity given by a rise in silver ion concentration. This change in resistance can be found by dividing the start voltage by the start current for the start resistance, and dividing that by the end resistance found the same way. The result of this would be a number very similar to the conductivity as found by a conductivity probe, and should then be multiplied by the uS to ppm factor for silver ions, which ranges from 1:1 to 1:2 or there abouts. Using your data, you would seem to have a concentration of about 18 - 20ppm. This method obviously has its limitations, not least being the homogenous dispersion of the silver ions, but gives a pretty good ball park figure. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Tbass [mailto:tb...@carroll.com] Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 2:31 p.m. To: Silver List Subject: CSFw: My CS Setup. Subject: My CS Setup10-26-2002 CS Group, I've been making CS for 4 or 5 years and have settled on this procedure. I like to use constant current and resistance measurements to control the strength and gauge when a batch of CS is done. This is my procedure for making clear, duplicate batches of CS. I haven't had a yellow batch for years, and I don't get whiskers on the silver wires when brewing CS at this low current. (.4 ma, that's 400 microamps). I have not had the final CS tested for PPM strength. Writing down the procedure makes it sound involved, but this is one of those examples where doing it takes less time then saying it My Specs are: 40 ounces of distilled water (purchased) Silver, 12 gage, .999 pure. 5 inches wetted, 2 inch spacing. Current meter (on 1 ma scale) in series with power supply and silver electrodes, and voltage adjusted manually to achieve .4ma (400 uamps) current. My CS setup runs off a voltage adjustable power supply on a 30 minute timer. I add starter CS to the pure distilled water until the resistance is approximately 60,000 ohms, all resistance measurements taken off the silver wires as wetted. (Good distilled water starts out at about 200,000 ohms straight from the jug.) I run for 30 minutes at .4ma until the timer shuts off, then adjust the voltage back to .4ma current for the second 30 minutes. It takes about six 30 minute brewing sessions to make the 40 ounces to completion. I consider the batch done when the resistance is approximately 10,000 to 12,000 ohms. Someone on the silver list once published a CS strength in PPM vs resistance in ohms. If that comparison is still available, I'd like to see it again. Any questions, feel free to e-mail me directly. Stay well, Tom Bassett tb...@carroll.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBeta Glucan
Cripes that is far too expensive. $45 for 60 Tablets @ 25mg = $30 per gram I can send you 100 grams powder for US$30 (postage included) from here in New Zealand if you cannot find anything cheaper closer to home. Cheers Ivan. -Original Message- From: Lona [mailto:l...@tahomagirl.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 4:56 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeta Glucan I am not Ivan, but did a lot of research and talked with these folks. Lona http://www.levinehealth.com/cust/levine/price44.htm From: levhea...@aol.com Thank you for your request about Beta Glucan. We normally sell to Health Care Professions, but if you do not have a health care provider conveniently located near you, you may order this product directly from us. The price for the 30 size is $26.80 and the price of the 60 size is $45.00. Price does not include shipping and sales tax. [ looks like the prices have slightly changed ] Please call us at 1-800-426-6763 if you would like to order this product. Sincerely, Yvonne Customer Service : Ivan, : Do you know if there's a big difference in the quality of beta glucan products on the market? If so, do you know what the better brands are? : Thanks, : -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
-Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 3:55 a.m. To: *Silver-List* Subject: RE: CSTDS/PWT meters Both TDS meters and the PWT do the same thing the same way. Unless colloidal particles are actually touching, or perhaps very very close together, they won't register at all with either meter. The best you can do is guesstimate the particulate content with a laser pointer and add a fudge factor to the reading. Further, the Hanna people have seen fit to mix metaphors with their specs for the PWT. It says Range is .01 to 99.9 uS and Accuracy is +/- 2% Full Scale [but don't mention what full scale is] Now, you'd think that range and full scale would be the same thing, BUT, stick the PWT in water and add salt to see where the scale ACTUALLY pegs out. That would be at 999.9 NOT 99.9. If the meter were accurate to +/- 2% in its range they would have said it that way. Ken, Hanna's spec reporting is industry standard. Full scale and range are two different things. The range is a description of an interval of numbers in which the unit will perform within spec. Full scale (reading) is largest number within the range. Error in transducer output is normally minimised by processing the 'least squares best fit straight line' (normally greatest in the middle of the range) and is reported as percentage full scale (this is because some meters have more than one range and thus the full scale reading and error is altered accordingly). So the FUD is unfounded. The fact that the meter can read outside the range is of no consequence. More expensive meters would report an out of range reading in this event. That said, at least the meters are repeatable within themselves, but don't expect any two to read the same thing any more than two different laboratories have a tendency to tell you the same thing within +/- 10 PPM. If any two PWTs get within 10 microsiemens of each other, that would be very very good and at least somewhat accidental. I guess that state of the art means just thatArt Looks like an object. I asked my researcher friend about the discrepencies [He has a huge muliti million megabuck lab at his disposal including mass spectrometers, TEMs and such]. Basically, he says that to get any sort of 'accurate' measurement in the lower parts per million ranges, it takes huge samples and the averaging of several tests. ..and the term 'accurate' is STILL subject to definition. The absolute determination of ppm as silver ions etc. may be difficult, but the measurement of conductivity is not. Discrepancies between different meters can be overcome by multi-point calibration within the expected range. It's best not to use any those 'standards' to flesh out an arguement. [everyone will be wrong or if someone is right, no one will know who that is.] In our case, where there are no dosing standards at all and elimination/adsorption rates vary minute to minute, +/- 2% of 999.9 is OK. Well, you may be happy with +/- 20uS (+/- ~25ppm silver) as a reading but I certainly would not be, but your argument is false anyway as shown above. Your taste buds, a laser pointer and a 'strong...not so strong' resolution might do just as well. It's Not very objectively informative but well within the 'one glug or three' range of practical application. No matter how tall a mountain actually is, no matter if it's measured from sea level or it's lowest accompanying valley in millimeters or feet. the top is still the top and it still looks like a mountain. A mountain to an ant is what to an elephant? Ivan. Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAbout:Lime, Herx and Hot SoakingVapor pressure of Hg
That's the way I read it also. Not surprising really as Mercury melts at -38degC, but amalgam is solid. Ivan -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] I think I just figured out the 10-8. They mean 10^-8 (10 raised to the -8 power), or .0001. That is much lower than the vapor pressure of mercury at that temperature alone, so apparently the silver lowers the vapor pressure of the mercury significantly (this is similar to adding salt to water will raise the boiling point by lowering it's vapor pressure as well). Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFw: HEALlix Newsletter Vol 15
I don't think that is correct. Fulvic acid (a type of humic acid) is a very powerful solvent and clathrating (chelating) substance. It surrounds and transports mineral ions, not colloids. I have reservations about ingesting fulvic acid, as it has been implicated in serious disease, from liver to bone. There are thousands of different FAs, depending upon the ground in which they are found. Some are likely to be beneficial, but how can one tell. I have written of my FA concerns in the past on this list and on the Yahoo list. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jannette McKoy-Abel [mailto:je...@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 5:41 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFw: HEALlix Newsletter Vol 15 New Page 1Ron, From what I've read on the website, it appears that this product is a fulvic acid/silver combination. I think that the silver is cs, as all the other minerals in fulvic acid are colloidal - to me it's just a marketting ploy to supposedly improve thier product. I think this product is in direct competition with Sea Silver, and disasociation from Colloidal Silver. Just MHO! Jannette -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
Paul has led you astray a bit in his answer :-) Both the TDS (total dissolved solids) meter and the PWT (pure water tester) are conductivity meters. The difference is in the scale and calibration. A TDS meter is calibrated to convert the conductivity reading (micro-Siemens uS) to reflect the amount of dissolved calcium carbonate (in most cases) that would give rise to the conductivity measured. This calibration is about 1ppm TDS to 2uS for CaCO3. That would be fine if one could just multiply the ppm TDS x 2 to get the equivalent conductivity reading in uS, however, most TDS meters have a scale 000 - 999 ppm TDS, and generally have a error of 2% of the full scale reading. The error is therefore +/- 20ppm TDS or a range of 80uS, obviously too high if one is measuring a 10ppm CS solution which will have a conductivity reading of about 8uS. The PWT scale is much more suitable, being 00.0 - 99.0 and the readout is in uS. The error is +/- 2uS or a range of 4uS. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: kaselo...@aol.com [mailto:kaselo...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 1:52 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTDS/PWT meters please explain to me as simply as posible the difference between the tds meter and the pwt meter when testing CS... we have two tds meters, and they both give totally different readings... if i understand correctly, i need to invest in a pwt meter but i'm not totally understanding why it is better... thanks! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSanother matter
Well, the patent is legit in as far as it has been granted by the patent office. I suggest you join this list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ where your other questions may well be answered. Ivan. -Original Message- From: kaselo...@aol.com [mailto:kaselo...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 2:26 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSanother matter thanks for some understanding on the tds/pwt meters but, once again the newbie needs some advice... i posted this on another cs board, but as of yet i've had no response, so i'd like to pose it here too: about 2 months ago we purchased the cs300 to produce our own cs, but soon found out that making 8oz. at a time was too time consuming, esp. when we were using large quantities ourselves, and giving it away to family and friends by the gallon (great reports by the way)... anyway, within a month i knew our needs far exceeded this small unit's output unless i was to spend every minute brewing cs... so, a month ago we purchased a cspro to make a gallon at a time... this has been wonderful, and out of my first 5 gallons, i've given 3 of them away... today i went to brew another gallon for ourselves (the 6th) and i noticed that the rods were not looking the same as with the first 5 gals lots more of the dark stuff, none of the 'smokey' silver in the water, etc... i realize the 'tds' meter doesn't register the true ppm, but i do use it as a comparison guage, and was getting a reading of 000 to 001 after 15 mins now 15 mins. would normally bring me a brew of 10 or better... anyway, here's my question(s): how many gallons should i be getting from .999 silver 12 guage wire? is the wire solid silver or overlay, and when the coating is gone, does the black flaky stuff appear? in cases such as this do i brew it longer, or do i just replace the silver rods? i was thinking i could supply everyone with tons of cs, with such a minimal cost (and i guess it still is, considering a gal. goes for about $75.-$100.)... this new generator is so great, but i did think i'd get more than 5-6 gallons from one set of silver rods... please give me some indications as to what 'normal' is where the lifespan of the silver rods are concerned, as i certainly don't want to be throwing them out if there is still life in them... but, i don't want to brewing stuff for 45 min. just to get the ppm up either... i know that i must certainly invest in a 'pwt' meter, and will do so as soon as i can come up with the funds... you're input is greatly appreciated as always... in advance, thanks! deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
I meant to add that neither meter will measure true colloids, as they are both not dissolved and do not carry a charge, other than that of the ions that are adsorbed to the colloid surface. Conductivity meters measure ions only. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [mailto:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 3:05 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSTDS/PWT meters Paul has led you astray a bit in his answer :-) Both the TDS (total dissolved solids) meter and the PWT (pure water tester) are conductivity meters. The difference is in the scale and calibration. A TDS meter is calibrated to convert the conductivity reading (micro-Siemens uS) to reflect the amount of dissolved calcium carbonate (in most cases) that would give rise to the conductivity measured. This calibration is about 1ppm TDS to 2uS for CaCO3. That would be fine if one could just multiply the ppm TDS x 2 to get the equivalent conductivity reading in uS, however, most TDS meters have a scale 000 - 999 ppm TDS, and generally have a error of 2% of the full scale reading. The error is therefore +/- 20ppm TDS or a range of 80uS, obviously too high if one is measuring a 10ppm CS solution which will have a conductivity reading of about 8uS. The PWT scale is much more suitable, being 00.0 - 99.0 and the readout is in uS. The error is +/- 2uS or a range of 4uS. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: kaselo...@aol.com [mailto:kaselo...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 1:52 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTDS/PWT meters please explain to me as simply as posible the difference between the tds meter and the pwt meter when testing CS... we have two tds meters, and they both give totally different readings... if i understand correctly, i need to invest in a pwt meter but i'm not totally understanding why it is better... thanks! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCure for infections???
Oops! Not having a cognitive day! My last message should have been attached to this subject. Here it is again... Well, the patent is legit in as far as it has been granted by the patent office. I suggest you join this list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ where your other questions may well be answered. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Paul Ladendorf [mailto:paulldn...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 2:31 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCure for infections??? Wow! Those sound like some loaded questions. 1. Is this patent legit? I believe I did read the actual patent at the patent office's website. 2. Ok, so it works for HIV. What about Lyme Disease? No one knows that for sure. They are experimental devices, so you need to experiment. 3. If it kills Lyme and other infections past the contact point, how long will it take a Bob Beck units to really kill of these infections out of a human body? Including Lyme? That's like asking if I take vitamin c how long will it take to clear up my cold. No one knows that either. Again, it's experimental I have a Beck Zapper, and a Beck Pulser. And I have Lyme. How long do I have to use it before I am cleared of Lyme? See above. Paul Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPlease help - never been so sick on 8oz CS treating Lyme
Hi Kevin, Others have suggested appropriate action regarding CS, so I thought to suggest supplementary steps to aid you in your battle. May I suggest you purchase some Beta Glucan, capsules or powder. Beta Glucan will increase the numbers and efficiency of certain members of your immune systems cells, particularly the macrophages, which are the immune cells which neutralise and dispose of microbes and toxins, and dying or mutated cells. A Beta Glucan potentiated immune system is able to cut through the disguises that certain pathogens and cancers are cloaked in, and Beta Glucan will improve the effectiveness of other treatments. A maintenance does of 100mg per day (on an empty stomach), and therapeutic dose of 300 - 500mg beta glucan should be accompanied by double the amount of Vitamin C as the two work synergistically. Ivan -Original Message- From: Kevin Raggett [mailto:lymegladia...@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 4:43 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPlease help - never been so sick on 8oz CS treating Lyme Importance: High PLEASE RESPOND TO lymegladia...@btinternet.com AS I AM NOT ABLE TO READ ALL THE MESSAGES ON THE LIST SO I JUST DELETE THEM AUTOMATICALLY. Hello, I am very sick with CS right now as evidenced by sleeping/being in a coma for 4 days then slowly coming out of it and having , paradoxically, 1 day where I can walk for 30 mins and feel 'OK' for 24-36 hours. I have VERY LONG TERM SEVERE LYME IN EVERY PART OF MY BODY so I don't expect miracles, that would be stupid. What should I do ? Stop all together - it's tempting to be less sick than this sick, it's frightening. I believe that the CS is releasing way too much of the powerful acidic toxins that the LD spirochete known to produce and which cause all of the symptoms (exhuation, mental symptoms, weakness, and God knows what else ...). I can see and smell it in my urine etc (sorry about explicit details). How some people can take 8 oz a day is beyond me. Any advice on dosage - I'm thinking of stopping all together, this just isn't worth it, it's worsr than cancer therapy and I've seen that first hand. At least those people died quickly. Jesus, this is hell on earth with no end in sight Kevin, manchester, UK
RE: CSBeta Glucan
Hi Paul, There is not as big a difference as the various manufacturers would have you believe. BG can be and is made from various raw products, mushrooms (maitake, shitake), oats, yeast (bakers, brewers), and so on, each has its proponents and detractors. But as long as the Beta 1,3 Glucan fraction is 60% or so then the product will be good. Other fractions are found in different concentrations depending on the source, yeast has Beta 1,6 Glucan for instance. Yeast derived Beta Glucan is the easiest to produce and has the highest Beta 1,3 fraction and can be found purified to greater than 90%, although it seems that products with lesser purity can actually promote a greater immune expression. I am happy with 70+ % Beta 1,3 Glucan. A product produced from yeast is probably the best bet for a decent BG content and a reasonable price. Some products may elicit a slighter higher response by being micronised to a very small size (0.2 micron), and some is soluble and suitable for IV injection (but is expensive). Fortunately both the soluble and particulate Beta Glucan is absorbed in the gut. Best taken on an empty stomach 30 mins before food and the action is enhanced by Vitamin C. The immune response to Beta Glucan seems to be a vestige of cellular development, given that both animals and plants display an immune response to its presence. It has uses as an additive to animal and fish feed, (not to be confused with the bacterial derived Beta Glucan which is inert as used as a food filler) and is proved for instance to prevent to a high percentage of infection in farmed fish. Must be good for pets and maybe the roses. As for brands... because I buy in bulk (kgs) I can't really help you, but hopefully you now have enough info to make a decision. Email me if you need more help. Ivan -Original Message- From: Paul Ladendorf [mailto:paulldn...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 4:19 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBeta Glucan Ivan, Do you know if there's a big difference in the quality of beta glucan products on the market? If so, do you know what the better brands are? Thanks, Paul Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz wrote: Hi Kevin, Others have suggested appropriate action regarding CS, so I thought to suggest supplementary steps to aid you in your battle. May I suggest you purchase some Beta Glucan, capsules or powder. Beta Glucan will increase the numbers and efficiency of certain members of your immune systems cells, particularly the macrophages, which are the immune cells which neutralise and dispose of microbes and toxins, and dying or mutated cells. A Beta Glucan potentiated immune system is able to cut through the disguises that certain pathogens and cancers are cloaked in, and Beta Glucan will improve the effectiveness of other treatments. A maintenance does of 100mg per day (on an empty stomach), and therapeutic dose of 300 - 500mg beta glucan should be accompanied by double the amount of Vitamin C as the two work synergistically. Ivan -Original Message- From: Kevin Raggett [mailto:lymegladia...@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 4:43 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPlease help - never been so sick on 8oz CS treating Lyme Importance: High PLEASE RESPOND TO lymegladia...@btinternet.com AS I AM NOT ABLE TO READ ALL THE MESSAGES ON THE LIST SO I JUST DELETE THEM AUTOMATICALLY. Hello, I am very sick with CS right now as evidenced by sleeping/being in a coma for 4 days then slowly coming out of it and having , paradoxically, 1 day where I can walk for 30 mins and feel 'OK' for 24-36 hours. I have VERY LONG TERM SEVERE LYME IN EVERY PART OF MY BODY so I don't expect miracles, that would be stupid. What should I do ? Stop all together - it's tempting to be less sick than this sick, it's frightening. I believe that the CS is releasing way too much of the powerful acidic toxins that the LD spirochete known to produce and which cause all of the symptoms (exhuation, mental symptoms, weakness, and God knows what else ...). I can see and smell it in my urine etc (sorry about explicit details). How some people can take 8 oz a day is beyond me. Any advice on dosage - I'm thinking of stopping all together, this just isn't worth it, it's worsr than cancer therapy and I've seen that first hand. At least those people died quickly. Jesus, this is hell on earth with no end in sight Kevin, manchester, UK Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSbrewing parameters
Glenn 50mm spacing allows the silver ions to solvate and disperse, and limits dendrite formation on cathode. Are you in a hurry? The time required relates to the current passed, if you limit the current you extend the time required, but make a finer brew. Stirring lengthens the time required also. And of course the time depends upon the concentration required. I don't really know how long your set up will take, but I took a shot based on the bulk cs I have brewed. I presume you have some sort of testing equipment? ratchets, Ivan. -Original Message- From: lighthawk1 [mailto:lightha...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2002 3:23 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSbrewing parameters Ivan, thanks I will be starting a new and improved batch tonight. Why the 50mm spacing? Does that serve to limit arcing? My generator has jacks for the electrodes which are soldered in a matching male jack. These are 20mm apart, but I do not have to use that spacing with clips. I'll cut the silver to match both the 1/2 and 1 gal containers in length They are approx the same depth. I'll closely monitor the brewing current as it progresses and use constant stirring as before. That way I can program the %current reduction with some accuracy. With the 1/2 gallon container and no current limiting and a shorter electrode length I was going approx.5 hrs. Do you really think a day or two?? How do other units get the job done quicker? radishes, Glenn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSThe NEW Silver Solution - 4 oz bottle
This product is not patented. The only patent that these people hold is for a method of manufacture, which is nothing more than extending the existing HVAC art by incorporating multiple sets of electrodes. They have a patent application for much the same. I must applaud them for doing considerable testing of their product, even though they have just been told that they cannot mention the sporicidal effectiveness of the product by the FDA, despite tests proving this. Ivan. -Original Message- From: silversw...@yahoo.com [mailto:silversw...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 18 October 2002 6:13 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSThe NEW Silver Solution - 4 oz bottle I found a new product on the market that contains the following info and claims is the only patented Collidal Silver availble due to the unique difference in production technique? Can anyone translate 10 nm in Microns? is this really a new product or just another fancy name for colloidal silver? The NEW Silver Solution - 4 oz bottle Image Hosting by auctionwatch.com Click image to view larger version Every supplement user dreams of a product that: is patented; has filed for drug approval; has filed with the EPA; has numerous universities and other independent laboratories backing its product with tests and information; has head to head comparisons against prescription antibiotics; has safety data; has done testing against bacteria and yeasts; and has even been tested for use in water treatment! RECENTLY APPROVED BY THE EPA AS A HARD SURFACE DISINFECTANT! AND COMPLETELY NON-TOXIC! What is the NEW Silver Solution? The New Silver SolutionB. consists of very tiny (about 10 nanometers long) particles of pure elemental silver suspended in a solution of very pure water, sold in bottles with concentrations of 12 parts of silver for every million parts of water (typically stated as 12 parts per million or abbreviated as 12 ppm) to 22 ppm. The NEW SolutionB. is a silver solution, that has a patented process of making the bacteria- killing - yet safe - small particles of silver. The NEW SolutionB. is the only patented silver product of this kind in the world today. The NEW SolutionB. is so effective at killing bacteria that even after being diluted to 1/200 of the original 10 ppm level, the NEW SolutionB. was still able to kill all the bacteria in raw river water in less than 20 minutes. The NEW SolutionB. has also been proven very safe to use. Even when tested at 200 times the normal adult dosage, the NEW Silver SolutionB. was found to be completely non-toxic. The NEW Silver SolutionB. is the only silver solution of this type on the market that has been proven both safe for use and very effective at killing bacteria. There are thousands of silver solutions on the market today, but there are none that have data that can compare with the NEW Silver SolutionB.. American Biotech Labs, the manufacturer of the NEW Silver SolutionB., has been able to accomplish numerous things that no other silver company has ever been able to accomplish before, including: Patented: This is the only colloidal silver producer with a product so new and effective that it was deemed a new product, and therefore approved for patent by the United States Patent Agency. The New Silver Solution has the only two patent approvals on a colloidal silver product in the last 80 years. The patent has also been filed internationally, as well as specifically in Japan. FDA: The New Silver Solution is the only colloidal silver product that has been able to be filed with the FDA for drug approval. The New Silver Solution has already received approval by the FDA to begin phase-two testing of the product. The New Silver Solution has been filed for use in both humans and pets. EPA: The New Silver Solution has also filed with the EPA for use as a disinfectant and has already passed all the required tests and is currently waiting approval. Testing: There are numerous independent universities and private laboratories that have been and are currently doing test work on the The New Silver Solution. Test work completed so far includes: antibiotic test comparisons; bacteria work; yeast work; safety and toxicity data; independent tests against other colloidal silver products; water treatment tests, etc. New Data: We are constantly striving to gain new and important information on the effectiveness and uses of its product. We currently have four new studies and a double-blind clinical trial currently underway, with several more studies already in the planning stages. The new studies include: major disease studies at independent universities and laboratories, a double blind clinical trial on mouth sores, an EPA surface disinfectant study for our EPA surface disinfectant filing, and a new series of water disinfectant tests from an independent certified water purification laboratory. Humanitarian
RE: CSProduction Improvement Progress Report and Inquiry (PIPRI)
Glenn, You want your electrodes to be as long as possible, without touching the bottom, and should choose your container accordingly. The electrodes should be at least 50mm apart. I would limit the current to about 6 or 8 mA. Time to brew will depend upon the final parameters, but might take a day or two. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: lighthawk1 [mailto:lightha...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2002 3:26 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSProduction Improvement Progress Report and Inquiry (PIPRI) In the Age of Anacronym Thank you all who respondeed afew weeks prior regarding the Model CS-300 and Hepatitis C input...much appriciated. I have progressed since purchasing (unfortunatley) the CS-300 a couple years ago (too late to return) from not using it at all, to mud, to a clear or yelolow product w/o residue or apparent Ag compounds. First found good store bought distilled. Then found cheap, good distillationunit and ran my RO H20 through it. Next fish air bubbler. Instead of 8oz batch, increased to 1/2 gallon. This helped alot by increasing dispersion, decreasing current arc between electrodes. Then utilized the magnetic stirrer - much better than bubbler. Now I was cooking. The quality was good and controllable, and I was making more per batch. This is desirable since I wanted to take 8oz 2x day, a significant increase from 1-2oz/day. I have now been taking the silver for 10 months. Since I have been doing a few other things to combat the HepC and the symptoms are up down on off, there are few real quantitative measures. However, my liver function tests recently came back normal for the first time in 8 years. And some symtoms are less. I even had a 4 week period of feeling good. I optimistaclly thought I had beat it for good, period. Well, not so... yet. patience, yes? So, now intrepid Ag and alt health experimenters I come to the well again. I would like to take my overpriced unit designed for 8oz, making 1/2 gallon and make 1 gal at a time quicker. At this time I have reduced my first set of electrodes to mere wisps. I would like to know at what point folks change electrodes. And what do the efficient producers (read cheapskates) do with the Ag wisps? I am now brewing an 8oz batch with Zapper 2 Plus unit that has a silver jack on it and leads. I have never used this unit for Ag production before. Anyone familiar w/ these? Since I am ready to change the electrodes and want to make a gallon in a batch, what suggestions are there for electrode length? I have 1/8 .999 wire. The unit has a designed .8 distance between electrodes. Though I wish the CS-300 had current regulation- it does have an amber (conductivity/current?), green and red indicator lights. How could I adapt the unit? Another thought I had and will try is to use the appliance current regulating X10 module. I bought some of this stuff before it went crazy with popups and emails. But the stuff is cool. I just haven't used it lately. But I took it out and loaded the software and tested the current variation. The X10 module will take the current from 2-25DCma at 6-100% settings. These settings can be made to reduce at specific times, and then shut off. Obviously it does not respond to the production variations in current. Any suggestions on time/current settings? Glenn, Oregon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSUK Distilled Water Source?
If the water is 'Purified Water BP', then this is what I use. It is distilled (often triple distilled) water that must meet certain criteria and so is generally of a high and consistent standard. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: altanation [mailto:altanat...@supanet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2002 8:03 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUK Distilled Water Source? Dear Rod if you find a supplier for the real thing, and not the 'purifyed water' that chemists sell, PLEASE let me know. D.H. North London - Original Message - From: Rod Stevenson r...@stevenson7399.fsnet.co.uk To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:41 PM Subject: CSUK Distilled Water Source? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOff Topic. Eye problem
Hi Dean, I tend to think that they make more of it than is warranted, given that they hold patents and use proprietary processes for the manufacture of NAC I doubt very much that LEF would use L-Carnosine unless they were pretty sure of its safety, given that they know about the 'warning' stated by Innovative Vision Products. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Dean Miller [mailto:dtmil...@midiowa.net] Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2002 6:28 a.m. To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSOff Topic. Eye problem Hi Ivan, The first article (antiaging-systems) says that the use of l-Carnosine as used in Bright Eyes is bad for the eyes. Do you think this is marketing hype or correct? On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:36:28 +1300, Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz wrote: Roger, sorry to hear about this lad, might I suggest you look at these eye drops: The first has the remarkable ingredient N-Acetylcarnosine, a dipeptide with proven regeneration and antioxidant properties. This substance has been used to reverse eye problems, including cataracts and glaucoma (not announced yet). It has had much serious study. http://www.antiaging-systems.com/a2z/carnosine.htm Another eye product containing NAC as they are calling it, plus other ingredients and which might be a better bet: Bright eyes http://www.lef.org/prod_desc/item00558.html LEF are out of stock it seems but other sites which carry these drops: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/lifeextensionvitamins/noname7.html http://www.smart-drugs.com/smart/carnosine-eyedrops.htm -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe where we are from
Ivan Anderson Auckland, New Zealand. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOff Topic. Eye problem
Roger, sorry to hear about this lad, might I suggest you look at these eye drops: The first has the remarkable ingredient N-Acetylcarnosine, a dipeptide with proven regeneration and antioxidant properties. This substance has been used to reverse eye problems, including cataracts and glaucoma (not announced yet). It has had much serious study. http://www.antiaging-systems.com/a2z/carnosine.htm Another eye product containing NAC as they are calling it, plus other ingredients and which might be a better bet: Bright eyes http://www.lef.org/prod_desc/item00558.html LEF are out of stock it seems but other sites which carry these drops: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/lifeextensionvitamins/noname7.html http://www.smart-drugs.com/smart/carnosine-eyedrops.htm Ivan -Original Message- From: Roger Barker [mailto:rbar...@orcon.net.nz] Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 9:13 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOff Topic. Eye problem About this time last year a friends young son (26 years) noticed a blank spot in the centre of vision on one eye causing some loss to forward vision. The experts were unable to find a cause but the problem was not unheard of and they assured him it would not happen to the other eye. A few days later it did just that but to a lesser degree. Eye specialists said the blind spots were caused by an inflammation, from an unknown cause, at the back of the eye causing scar tissue to form hence the loss of vision in that area. Blood tests showed up nothing untoward. As things stabilised about this time it was put down to a virus (they thought) and he was told he was just unlucky to have suffered the problem but he was now over it. Wrong again as last Friday the symptoms returned and he's now lost more vision. At this point in time I can't be more specific but will pass on any more information as it comes to hand. I'm now wondering if anyone out there has ever experienced anything like this and/or does anyone have any recommendations as to a treatment that may help this poor guy. Many thanks, Roger B -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSot edible zapper...
Nice to see a product improve over time, and drop in price. A link to the international patent, which gives a good overview: http://www.mtu-net.ru/ecomed/patentpcte.htm http://www.mtu-net.ru/ecomed/indexe.htm Ivan -Original Message- From: SilverMedicine.org [mailto:silvermedic...@silvermedicine.org] Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 6:59 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSot edible zapper... Greetings, all: As many of you know, I follow James Carr's work ( Alpha Omega Labs ) fairly closely, and utilize a number of his products. I've also been a fan of the Russian Scientific Community for quite some time, as well. http://www.altcancer.com/ecomed1.htm I thought those of you who are familiar with DC Zapper technology would get a kick ( literally? ) out of a family of products developed in the ( former ) Soviet Union... Edible zappers, at about 40.00 US a pill. Now, who's going to be the first to develop the first in-blood-stream zapper? Happy reading and kind regards, Jason -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBeta Glucan vs Anthrax - BG wins
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RE: CSBritish Columbia on silver toxicity guidelines
Hi Dean, It's true that silver chloride etc. are less effective against pathogens, at least in the test tube, but whether the it is 300 times less effective cannot really be taken from this article. What they are reporting is the reaction of silver ions with the gills (I assume) of flathead minnows, which can result in the death of these fish. The availability of silver ions systemically in mammals, when introduced as silver salts or proteins, depends primarily on redox reactions between these and the attractive sites on the pathogen. In other words, how strongly the silver is bound to protein or as a salt vs. the pulling power of the (mainly) sulfhydryl groups upon bacterial cell walls. As thiosulphate is one of the reagents used to complex silver for uv/vis spectrographic concentration assays, it is not surprising that it has a very powerful bond and is 17,500 times less toxic than free silver ions, but it looks like silver will give up chloride in favour of sulphide and so may be available as a anti-bacterial. I guess that is somewhat obvious, considering that cs made with salt reportedly has positive results. Ivan -Original Message- From: Dean Miller [mailto:dtmil...@midiowa.net] Sent: Saturday, 12 October 2002 8:33 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBritish Columbia on silver toxicity guidelines On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:36:05 -0700, jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/BCguidelines/silver.html Good find, Mike! There's a really interesting paragraph near the bottom of the page. It reads: The effect of speciation on the acute and chronic toxicity of silver was compared using the fathead minnow as the test organism. Silver sulfide, silver thiosulfate and silver chloride were compared to the silver ion, added as silver nitrate. The tests were flow-through in soft water at 25 degrees C. Silver chloride was found to be 300 times less toxic, silver sulfide was 15,000 times less toxic, and silver thiosulfate was 17,500 times less toxic than silver nitrate. This could be another reason not to add salt to distilled water to speed up the process, if it's 300 times less effective against microorganisms. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSre: silver toxicity
There is a famous congressional report that supposedly proves that the soil has been leached of minerals in the last 100 years or so. All minerals have their origins in rock, and rock dust (of the appropriate kind) is the best fertiliser. Humic acids (notably fulvic) are powerful solvents, which leach out rock bound minerals, sequester them, and transport them in run-off and the water table for great distances. Plants absorb these minerals from the leachate and use them as part of their growth cycle. Certain plants have an affinity for silver, mushrooms and wheat come to mind, and hence silver finds its way into our diet. I am not sure that current populations are more healthy than previous, indeed, the incidence of cancer, obesity and heart disease are at epidemic proportions... but as you say, it comes down to diet. Regards Ivan -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2002 4:51 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSre: silver toxicity How do ancestors get silver from soil when silver is a precious metal because of its rarity? Maybe some ancestors got some and maybe thay were healthier than many other ancestors, most of whom lived for about 40 years. There's something about wearing yourself out with hard labor or getting killed young in a very dangerous world that tends to prevent old age related disease. Does a shrew ever get cancer? Would you, if you starved to death at 35 or got run over by a bison? There's organic soil [mulch, humus etc] and inorganic soil [mineral, ground up rock] Minerals leaching from mineral soil? Wouldn't you be left with plain old rock? [chock full of minerals] Since when is any given area of rock the same as any other area? Does granite have the same silver content as quarts? [Or the same radioactive trace elements?] Has anyone made a chemical comparison between foods from 100 yrs ago and today? [I think not] I dunno, My BS-o-meter is screaming modern myth. If people are vitamin deficient, it's probably because they don't eat right...not that many of our ancestors did either. Seen a case of scurvy or rickets lately? Goiters? Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSmallpox vaccine reaction pics
Yes, I agree. My daughter's mother (nurse educator) insisted that Rachael (8yrs) have the Rubella vaccination. So we snuck a 50mL bottle of 20ppm CS into her school bag, with instructions to drink it just before the jab. She did this, and was very pleased that everybody else in her class was red and sore at the entry site, but she was not. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 4:06 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSmallpox vaccine reaction pics CS, orally and applied to the scratch. Marshall samma...@aol.com wrote: Oh my. And this is what will become mandatory if a state of emergency is declared. Does anyone know of a good protocol to use to protect against severe vaccine reactions (of anykind) in advance, or just after? Laura In a message dated 10/9/02 12:06:26 PM Central Daylight Time, wufn...@stargate.net writes: I usually copy and paste website info, but these I could not bear to even look at beyond the first couple pics. They are very graphic. http://www.bt.cdc.gov/Agent/Smallpox/VaccineImages2.asphttp://www.bt. cdc.go v/Agent/Smallpox/VaccineImages2.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSmallpox vaccine reaction pics
1,3 Beta Glucan, active ingredient of many alt health remedies; mushrooms, oats, rye, barley, rice bran and brewers yeast. Increases macrophage expression and differentiation... stimulates the immune system like no other substance. Protective against and reverses the effects of nuclear radiation and cancer, normalises blood cholesterol levels, helps reverse arteriosclerosis, gum disease, all hepatitis, herpes, prostrate ailments, and just about any disease you can think of. Probably the closest to a silver bullet there is, because it increases the effectiveness of the immune system. Most of my clients are taking beta glucan... I can't get enough of the stuff! It is a major component in all my topical creams, from sun-care to rejuvenation, am even formulating toothpaste, soap, and shampoo with beta glucan. I have found that a small amount in colloidal silver boosts the cs effectiveness when nasal spraying or nebulising. I have been micronising the supply I get so that I don't have problems with settling out, and get better absorption... but even without this (shake the bottle) I have been getting great results. I gave you guys a heads-up about beta glucan a while ago, and can only reinforce Jonathon's recommendation to do some research on this marvellous substance. Ivan. PS check out L-Carnosine while you are at it. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 5:22 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSmallpox vaccine reaction pics You might look into Beta Glucan, which was described at a recent, major bioterrorism conference in the USA. The lecture described effectiveness in rats exposed to anthrax; the stuff reportedly has strong effects against other pathogens. I am not an expert on this; the info. I have just gives you a place to start your own research if this is really important to you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBeta Glucan was Smallpox vaccine reaction pics
You might try http://www.dynamune.com/ Seems to be quite an ethical business. Ivan. -Original Message- From: akaJhon [mailto:maj.yo...@ellijay.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 11:51 p.m. To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSSmallpox vaccine reaction pics Ivan,,where is the best source for 1,3 Beta Glucan ?? thanks in advance,, snipped | 1,3 Beta Glucan, active ingredient of many alt health remedies; | mushrooms, oats, rye, barley, rice bran and brewers yeast. | | -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNon-Metallic Silver
JBB, Any silver salt or compound could be thought of as non-metallic. Indeed, silver bonded to a molecule containing carbon would be called organic. Metallic properties don't develop until a certain number of silver atoms are bonded together. Nano-sized particles of silver or other metals display unusual characteristics not found in the bulk metal. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Friday, 4 October 2002 1:04 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNon-Metallic Silver I agree with James Allison here: we need facts, not speculation. Hope Mr. Jones will be forthcoming so that we can draw sound conclusions. By the way, on the interesting EMTrading.com web site, I find a products called SeaSilver, and other products from the same company. One product is referred to as a non-metallic silver. Could anyone enlighten me about this? I have learned a great deal about the depths of my ignorance by reading info. posted by full-time scientists here, and hope to learn more. Is non-metallic silver an oxymoron? JBB -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSshingles(Frangipani)
Waddle, I tend to believe Dr Muthotho's original statement. I believe the 2nd article was a response to the need to correct the misreported identification of the Frangipanni species. I think the author also took the opportunity to down-play Muthotho's cure statement for political and legal reasons. Of course I cannot be sure this is so until someone I know uses Frangipanni milk, but even the lesser good of relieving the pain and resolving the lesions must be a blessing. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: waddle...@aol.com [mailto:waddle...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 9:47 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSshingles(Frangipani) Ivan As soon as I read the article I was searching for the sap and plant which I found in Florida and Hawaii. I don't think any sap is available commercially. According to the article, shelf life is only 10 days. I thot I would buy a plant, cut a stem and use the sap. Procrastinator that I am, before I could get my butt moving, the 2nd article clarifying Dr. Muthotho's work was posted. My hopes were dashed by the following excerpt: Finally, the title of your article, Local cure for herpes found, was incorrect. The correct position is that there is no known cure for herpes zoster. The herbal medicine only treats the external symptoms by relieving the pain and drying up the lesions. Waddle In a message dated 09/26/2002 2:11:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, i...@win.co.nz writes: There has to be the odd Frangipani in the neighbourhood that you can raid :-) Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSilver Facts: hints at CS in drinking water Argria and Stan Jones
This is true, only in the respect that drinking distilled water does not add any minerals, whereas natural waters do. But all water that enters the system does so as pure H2O molecules, and does not carry minerals in with it. Minerals are absorbed by their own specific processes. Ivan -Original Message- From: Heidrun Beer [mailto:conc...@atnet.at] Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2002 8:38 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver Facts: hints at CS in drinking water Argria and Stan Jones Because distilled water disturbs the body cell's osmosis (balance of salts inside/outside of cells). In essence, it washes necessary minerals out of the body. On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:54:49 -0600, James Osbourne, Holmes wrote in gmeakojnalehnmiinoifcegndcaa@cybermesa.com: Why is that? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Heidrun Beer [mailto:conc...@atnet.at] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver Facts: hints at CS in drinking water Argria and Stan Jones On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:58:36 -0700 (PDT), Paul Ladendorf wrote in 20021004045836.30442.qm...@web12905.mail.yahoo.com: The water I drink (i.e. my drinking water) is distilled water. A very dangerous thing to do! We learned already at school that only hard water should be used for drinking. Heidrun Beer Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training http://www.sgmt.at -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: CS and protozoa
Don, I appreciate your candour on this subject. However, you seem to have been a little blinded by the promise of colloidal silver, much like the people you now consider diehards and fervent believers. You sound a little like a reformed smoker ;-) Many of us on this list take the CS propaganda with a grain of salt and a groan, and do not believe it to be the panacea of all ills, but rather as just another tool in the shed. You have found CS wanting in some areas, and so properly took other approaches, but there is no doubt that CS does work in many areas as evidenced by many testimonials. It is particularly helpful in respiratory infections, even CS sprayed by an atomiser and breathed in has had good results, in my experience. Adding transport and solvent adjuncts to the solution, and ensuring the finest droplet size can help resolve the most intractable conditions, as has been reported. Of course, I am talking about human experimenters here, and I do wonder how one can get a bird or animal to breath in a CS mist in such a way as to bypass the air filtering mechanisms so that the CS can be deposited at the infection site. Even if this can be achieved, it is my experience that some fungal infections are the most unresponsive to colloidal silver, probably due to the nature of the growth (grows in air spaces without tissue invasion) and the nature of the cell (eukaryote), and it is here that a solvent such as DMSO can drive the CS into the fungal mass (a detergent/oil mixture may be effective also). A good that your testimony has provided, is a reminder that there is a lot of misinformation and rubbish available, and that one needs to choose their information sources carefully. Thanks for that. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: dwells2...@aol.com [mailto:dwells2...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:01 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: CS and protozoa Hi James, First, before I answer the questions as best I can I want to get something off my chest! Please indulge me a bit? The events I have given here regarding my research using CS in animals and birds has elicited the reactions I expected from a great many diehards who are so fervent in believing that CS is the end all to modern mans medical problems that they will not give in to any scientific proof whatsoever! So be it! I wanted to be a total convert also once upon a time but my personal drive always leads me to want to prove it to myself without just swallowing everything one reads on the net! I fortunately had the means to do this recently and I was not happy with the results but I am convinced that they are accurate and to the best of my knowledge followed many of the printed protocols that are so commonly handed out on the net as well as in books etc. What amazes me now is all of a sudden so many are telling me after the fact, that I must not have done the experiments right or used the CS correctly or didn't know how to make it etc etc. Nonsense, I have followed the instructions and gone ! the second mile to do so! Do I doubt that CS is effective at all? No, I know it works in some cases, I have had it work on some things myself. What I do resent is that all of a sudden my poopooing CS effectiveness has drawn out the minions of believers who have never tested it really other then anecdotally! Hi Don, Did any of the tests using CS against lung infections include CS and MSM or DMSO nebulized with O2 and inhaled? James, why now is it necessary to add all these things to make it effective? Why don't we see all these things in lists published elsewhere where accounts of the wonderful effectiveness of CS alone is written about? Not being hostile just wondering why it is when the CS doesn't live up to muster all of a sudden a million other reasons for its failure are thrown out? The answer is no. The CS was used in a medical grade nebulisor and was given repeatedly to birds with severe to mild Aspergillosis infections in the lungs. To no avail! According to Dr. Bart A. Flick, in extensive tests, no bacteria was found that withstood CS in even very dilute solutions. One would assume they tried it against the most common pathogens, but not necessarily so. In vivo perhaps not? In Vitro on a plate I can understand this. As I think you suggested before, it might be effective on contact however, many testimonials do not specify this anywhere else? Usually a miraculous cure is reported from just ingesting the CS. Regarding: It plainly doesn't work on Isospora or Eimeria ( Coccidiosis species) despite what you may have read. And, we have found it to be absolutely useless used on Upper respiratory conditions involving E.coli and other bacteria. Salmonella infections of the trachea and Intestinal tract, and the list goes on. Is more detail available about how you came to that conclusion? Are there specific studies? Just to demonstrate. We had a group of neonatal parrots being handfed with a
RE: CSOle Bob's website
Rich, I guess it comes down to what you mean by runaway. The contrary to runaway is current controlled or limited, where the current reaches a certain level and stays at that level. The level is set to limit the amount of sludge (dendrites) being produced, and on the supplied example (http://www.hvacsilver.com/lvdc_cs.htm) this would be somewhat before Heavy Treeing on Cathode mark. However, this example uses constant stirring and therefore does not qualify as a constant voltage generator, but rather needs the constant stirring qualifier because the processes differ. Stop the stirring and then the current, I suspect, will rise exponentially (to a point) and the CS will eventually become a dirty grey. That, is what I understand current runaway to mean. Regards Ivan -Original Message- From: Rich Adams [mailto:r...@kc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 10:21 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOle Bob's website Where did it runaway though? Your just talking about production rate. - Original Message - How so? the rate of production is over 15 times higher at the 100 minute mark than at the 10 minute mark. Yeah, and the 180 minute mark is less then the the 100 minute mark so where is the runaway? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNew Here.Hello ,
Did you try CS for it? ... I hope she is ok ;-) Ivan. -Original Message- From: James Allison [mailto:apothec...@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2002 5:35 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew Here.Hello , I was going to try the local honey, but my wife found out and had a fit! Yours in health, James Allison - Original Message - From: Bill Missett To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:31 AM Subject: Re: CSNew Here.Hello , I've tried the local honey until I had hives - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:54 AM Subject: Re: CSNew Here.Hello , I've had extrordinary results from using local honey and licking my pollinated windshield in the morning. Ken At 06:53 AM 9/27/02 -0700, you wrote: 2 grams of MSM a day will alleviate pollen allergies in the majority of the population. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CSweighing in
You would be the black sheep of the family, Yes? Thanks for posting info on the Swiss diet, because it gives me a chance to promote an even better diet. This Swiss diet looks like a low carb diet with the unusual idea of spitting out some of the most important parts of the meal. Pity that some of the info does not bare scrutiny, eg. the statement that undigested food is converted to fat is obviously contradictory. Meat (protein) is the most easily digested food, and the most useful, and the idea of limiting the fat intake, especially the saturated animal fat, is misguided, in my opinion. It is not fat that makes you fat, it is the carbohydrates. I suggest those that might consider this diet should read this article about the origins of the low carbohydrate high protein / fat diet, and its continuing success without needing any special care, special supplements, or meal time mumbo-jumbo. :-) http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/banting.html It is a good read! Uncle Ivan. -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2002 2:57 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSweighing in Silver List This group is a lot like family for me, so I find it hard to not pass on what I find as vital or at least interesting information of some importance. Remember our friend Dr Jon? His latest project has been to acquire the modus operandi of a Swiss fat farm that charges ten grand per client with apparently great results. There is a multi supplement to take along with some strange procedures to follow, therefore the fat camp regimen is probably the easiest way to assure compliance. I looked up all of the supplements and discovered that they were desirable for heart health (one of my problems) so I could be induced to try them anyway. The diet is not Atkins, but has similarities. He has made the formula and plan available to volunteers to see if there is any merit to it. Kinda half a**ed clinical trials. Our only obligation was to report results and how we complied or not with the plan. Now, personally, I'm a hard case. I have an opinion and I'm seldom shy with it. I have had zero success in losing weight over the last three or four years since retirement. I refuse to exercise anymore. 15 years of 3X week martial arts is enough. Especially since I started at age 45. What part of retired is not understood? I refuse to go hungry! Living well is the best revenge. I started with this by acquiring the individual supplements and following, in general, the plan. Much to my surprise, I had an initial loss of six lbs the first week, with another four gone over the following two weeks. Horrid plateau time since then until today. When I weighed in, another five are gone. This whole span has been about six weeks. I am ecstatic and feel the need to share! I had not been able to move off the dime in 4 years, and now half my goal is accomplished. Dr Jon says that he has gotten enough positive feedback to warrant continuing the formula and opening it to the general public. I said, public be damned, this goes to family. Details for those interested at: http://www.swiss.9f.com Do as you will. Any discussion should go to the OT list. I wanted to make sure everybody saw this though. Errr... Jon bashers can look for the sprig of mistletoe. Chuck I don't exercise, it makes ice jump right out of my glass. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
