Re: CSGary/sinus/Bronchial infections/Nebuliser/Yay!!
M. G. Devour wrote: A few suggestions or comments... Have you ever seen those ultrasonic humidifiers that generate a fine cool mist of water fed from their plastic tank? They're not that expensive and I see them in the small appliance section of all the stores. They work by piezoelectric elements that vibrate at ultrasonic frequencies, causing the water to literally vaporize without heat, and mist to bubble up and out of the water, which is then driven out of the nozzle by a small blower. I don't know if this will be helpful or not, but there is a fog generator or mist generator or something for your indoor water art/garden whatever. I don't remember the cost, but it would generate a fog that comes up out of the water - it looks cool and if it is what I think it is, it may be something worth looking into. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGary/sinus/Bronchial infections/Nebuliser/Yay!!
M. G. Devour wrote: Vikki wrote: I don't know if this will be helpful or not, but there is a fog generator or mist generator or something for your indoor water art/garden whatever. I don't remember the cost, but it would generate a fog that comes up out of the water - it looks cool and if it is what I think it is, it may be something worth looking into. As long as it isn't like the ones they use on stage, which require a special fluid to operate, you might be on to something. Even if it is, but works on ultrasound rather than heat, it might still work. I never got one, so I am unsure, but it certainly looked like it was in a regular bowl garden, the fluid had plants in it and looked like water and acted like water. As far as I know it was just plunk the thing down in the water. Where might we look for these? Aha, a quick stroll up the street returns: http://www.indoorsun.com/Pages/Waterfalls.html You'll find this text: Ultrasonic Fogger, $89.95 each down the page a bit and a picture of a garden fogging below that. Hope this helps! -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSCall for Standards - some news.
Hi All, For the time being I set up a new section under the CS stuff on my web site to keep up with progress on the Simple Generator that Ivan suggested. It is up and can be built on as we go. I did put up a welcome page for that section. At the moment all that is there are some schematics for consideration in establishing the Standard Simple Generator. Just thoughts and hopefully we'll discuss it and work out which one it will be, even if it isn't one of those I envision :-). Hope everyone is having a good weekend! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Vikki /testing for particle size
Katarina Wittich wrote: Hey Vikki, are you guys talking about making sure particle size is measurable and reproduceable -- as well as ppm? It's one of the main questions I have, since it seems we don't know much about how particle size affects the usefullness of cs or it's effectiveness for various ailments. Other than knowing that really big is bad -- but maybe has it's uses? This is something to add to the agenda. Bluntly I don't know and I wonder how the Standard Simple Generator will work in this area. My understanding, which is BY NO MEANS the last word on anything other than, possibly, confusion is that small particle size is a result of current flow involved. Assuming I understand this (DO NOT bet on it :) low current flow (and I have no idea what that range might be) results in smaller particle size where heavy current flows result in larger particles being blown off the electrodes. This will probably be addressed when setting up parameters for doing formal trials. James Osborne seems like the one that can shed light on this area, but there may be others. Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CShealth device claims
Daniel and Karen Croom wrote: Been working on this for awhile- thought it was fixed. Thanks for letting me know. Karen P.S. your email is still screwed up... still puts just @webchoice.net in the reply to field. line. As of this message still screwed up - what mail software are you using? Take care, Vikki -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSCausing uneven electrode wear
Hi Y'all, Here is my theory as to why one of my electrodes became much skinnier than the other one - while using a polarity switching CS generator without a stirrer. This uneven electrode wear occurred while producing a bit less than 24 batches of 16 oz of DW with a starting current of approx .40 mA and running each batch for four hours. Someday I am going to have to try the 4 hour run time without stirring, the PPM and particle size must be BIG :-). I'm guessing here as I can't measure either :(. I think the uneven wear started due to my contaminating the one electrode more than the other by touching it more with my bare fingers before immersing it into the unit in the DW. The usual reason for my touching the electrodes was to straighten one of them or to modify the distance between the electrode tips, just a hair. I think this is possible, but I'd be willing to bet it is something we all do (manually adjust the electrodes). I know I do it. I haven't run as much CS as you have and my electrodes were not measured comprehensively to start with, but, in theory, they were 0.040 (18 ga) to start with and I am now measuring variances of from 0.030 to 0.40 with most readings around 0.036 - 0.038. I would think that the 4 hour run times would have more to do with it as a guess. The one thing I have noticed since going to the two 14 gauge electrodes that makes no sense to me is that my electrodes are two distinctly different colors - one is dark grey and the other is a noticibly lighter grey after not being wiped off after the last batch and sitting for a few days. Last time I looked at them it appeared that one was the dark grey and the other a medium tan (within a day or maybe two of the last batch). I am switching on a 50% duty cycle so it would seem to me that they should be indentical. Incidentally, both electrodes were cut from the same piece of .999 silver wire. [ ... ] What do you two think? I think Bob and some of the other list members are eminently more qualified to comment on this than I :-). I'm posting this to the silver-list to invite further comment and in hope of helping others to avoid my mistakes. Sharing and more data makes things work better as well as making things more understood, thanks! Take care, Vikki (the frantic, today). -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSStandardization - A Call for Standards!
dd...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/26/99 10:29:00 PM Central Daylight Time, i...@win.co.nz writes: I think that locking down a configuration is good, but that all possible combinations should be looked at, especially those that require no testing apparatus by the user. Agreed that the basic 8oz tumbler and 16oz jar should be defined, and electrode length and guage. Then it should be possible to state within a margin of error the concentration for a given time in hot and cold water. Absolutes would be impossible, but one could say that the solution is higher than 5ppm. I suspect it will always be lower than 15ppm. And don't forget those that use ingots. As a newbie, I can see that having some sort of even loose standards viewable on one site would be most helpful. I picked the above excerpt because, after reading it, I wondered what was the effect of using ingots as opposed to smaller and/or thinner electrodes. Does more exposed silver surface during the process make for higher PPM? Should brewing time be adjusted downward? As a SWAG I would think that the ingots would just (possibly, depending on other factors and what you compare it to) have more surface area (total wetted area - see my calculations on this on the web site). There are so many variables that I feel I know less now than when I first dived in. I understand the feeling Kathie. I'm not the worlds greatest techie, especially in some of the areas involved with CS. About the only thing I do know that can help resolve some of these issues is standardizing methods and generating data for that - from one point of knowledge we can move forward, I think, into variations. The problem is getting to the first conclusive data points. There are just so many ways to produce CS, all of which seem to produce something that is good enough. I am afraid that my not very technically inclined mind may be drawing the wrong conclusion from reading your research findings. That basic standards site would be grand. We have eminently qualified people here on the list that can help resolve this issue. One of the great things that contributes to the problem is that whatever any of us are doing we ARE producing useful stuff. We just don't know in accepted scientific protocol what this is (well some folks may :). My comment about snake oil was not meant to imply fake useless stuff sold to ignorant people to prey on their needs. It was meant to imply that what we have we can not discribe to accepted norms of scientific communication. Sometimes I do better at saying what I mean than others :-). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSStandardization - A Call for Standards!
recommend for the inclusion of the 1K0 1% resistor in all variations as measurement of current and consequently resistance is very simple with the most basic equipment. What might I have missed here? The items we standardize on should the things readily obtainable anywhere inexpensively. Once we lock this down we can start with the trials! Other processes that improve on this basic method can be explored and documented in turn. I very much look forward to studying your data! I should think that Voltage, current (which will give resistance), conductivity, temperature and ppm vs. time covers all bases. Seems like a good start, let's get the parameters defined and the measurement tools formally defined. Also laser inspection at these time points. Please elaborate on this, I am completely currently ignorant on how, precisely, this would be applied. I have done some very basic (and inconclusive in my mind) work with a laser (TE works although I have NO idea what this tells me that I might consider to be concrete data). I started working on a laser test jig, but it has not been gotten back to :-). Interesting to note that it uses the same basic components as the Hanna device I mention below... As voltage drops in battery only systems a resistance (E/I) vs ppm graph would be most important. Agree and I think that simple reference charts could be reasonably easily prepared given a standard generator configuration. There are others on the list who, whilst not making much noise, also have the required test equipment. This is good! My one concern has been measurement ability and concern about loading those good souls willing to do it, even if they are doing it at cost I don't feel it fair to load them with endless testing (we all must maintain a life in the process :). I have looked over the Hanna site for instrumentation and looked at the instrument (HI 93737 Silver Meter) pointed to by the following link: http://www.hannainst.com/products/ion/93737.htm This is reasonably afforable - is it something that would tell us what we want to know? Just as an aside, looking at the specs, would this be buildable? Lasers of that wavelength and detectors as mentioned are pretty cheap - if we knew how they got the results, this might be buildable more affordably? Just something to consider. One problem is that the starting resistance needs to be the same for different waters. To this end I have asked Bob if he would establish the amount of seeding it would require to swamp the initial dist. water conductivity reading, have had no reply so far. This also has been a lingering question in the back of my mind. Is the beginning current flow actually significant in and of itself? Would this not make itself up when you run to a specific ending current flow? As one of my famous SWAGs (scientific Wild Arsed Guesses :), as yet untested, running to a given cutoff current should compensate for varying Initial current. It would definitly change the time of run. I am currently entertaining ideas for a automatic cutoff device settable to a desired current flow, but have not done anything with it yet :-/. Most use the 3 battery method and the greatest good will be in addressing their use. Raw data and graphs will not be of much use to most of these users. Ah, I respectfully disagree. The raw data and graphs must be available to all, it provides what marketing hype doesn't - proof that anyone who chooses to understand and make the effort can use to validate independantly. Granted, not many will probably want to do so, but the option must be there IMO. Others who have the skill to build a fancy circuit with stirring etc. would be fewer in number, and a good proportion of these have their own ideas and circuits. These people could generate their own data, the only obstacle being the silver assay. Agree, but once we have standards for measuring in place, why not use them? I will buy a conductivity meter in the next week or so and measure the conductivity of various concentrations of CS, which should enable people to measure their own concentration with the purchase of a cheap meter ... the final parameter is thus revealed. This is our goal! Please share with me what instrumentation you are considering, if it might be possible for me to obtain one I think it might help (as well as anyone else interested). Standard metrics are important and I am concerned that a few people may bear the brunt of measurement, if possible we should spread this out as much as possible for several reasons. One: no one gets swamped and 2) multiple independant reporting of results. Thanks for your response and contributions to this effort! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard
CS Containers and color / temperature.
Since I store all of my CS experiment in clear 1oz coke bottles 20oz, yes? One or two liter I hope :). I just noticed that the jug I am keeping CS in is starting to get yellow. The jug that is, the CS seems to get yellow when chilled ?!? Now I am wondering if my clear CS (if I just leave it sitting on the desk it stays clear) is turning yellow because it does that when it is kept in the fridge or because of some strange interaction with that particular plastic. I don't really like coke, but I guess I could get it for the bottles :-). -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSStandardization - A Call for Standards!
that will need to be Standardized is the methodology of determining the necessary metric. I would think that this would be PPM, but I would appreciate Ole Bob commenting on this as he is the only one I am sure of that has the facilities to do this and is doing it. Anyone else I am not aware of who can speak with authority in this matter is certainly invited to do so! Perhaps it would be prudent to establish a group for each generator class of a given size of people to do this. Set a procedure for reaching the goal and then sharing it with everyone. Nothing says that everyone has to go to the standard established for a given class of generator, but I think most would if they could reliably know what they were producing. I realize that this is going to take some effort and be some work as well as costing the development group some money. For those willing and able to do so, I think the benefits to themselves, the CS community and the world at large would be most useful! Comments Please! Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CShealth device claims
Daniel and Karen Croom wrote: if the article you posted is a true reflection of the facts, then their cases are hopeless, as I do not think that there is documented support for their claims. As a, perhaps, cynical view: They do not have to win, the can break you economically and never even have to say they are sorry when you win. Short of going on and on about it here is something from my quote file on the subject: === If (lawyers in government) make enough laws, we can all become criminals (that need to HIRE lawyers to defend us from the Govt. lawyers HIRED prosecute us.) Gun bans will instantly create an estimated 60 MILLION NEW `CRIMINALS'; does this sound like a lawyer-enrichment conspiracy to anyone out there besides me? First you kill all the lawyers... -- W. Shakespear, Henry VIII. ;-) === This doesn't just necessarily apply to the gun ban stuff mentioned... If you can hold out long enough before being bled dry (and probably onto the streets) you might well be able to win... Two comments from a cop I knew in chicago that have given me much to think about (I used to work with disaster services): Nothin is illegal, unless you get caught. and We don't gotta be right, we just gotta wanna. Just a cynics point of view :). P.S. your email is still screwed up... still puts just @webchoice.net in the reply to field. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSA few updates on the web site...
Charles King wrote: [ ... ] AWRight! Opera accesses OK now! I knew it was a Goddess thingy! It has to be, I didn't make any changes of significance, I copied some stuff, revised it and moved it around some, but fuctionally nothing new or even really changed. Goddess knows, check phase of moon before access :-). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSquestion
Robert Ratliff wrote: Is your silver electrodes supposed to turn black in an hour using distilled water and 24 volts? Mine get very dark grey, or at least my 18 gauge 4 electrode ones did (all 4). The new 14 ga 2 electrode configuration has one that is a dark grey and the other is a whitish tan. I am using polarity switching generator. I think what you have is common. Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHummm?! New electrode configuration - first thoughts...
Hi Chuck, Possible the new silver is a different purity? I don't think so, my sister got these (bright gal :) from a jewelry store where she works occasionally and she sez .999 is what she asked for and got. One thought on this is to take some of the sterling I have and make a test run with it just to see what happens... How about swapping the new electrodes into the old setup? Can't easily do that. I can easily enough build a new electrode assembly out of the 14 gauge to match the old 18 gauge setup. I have a marvelously simple method for doing this that involves a compass (two metal pins - no pencil lead), a scribe (needle), a metal rule, a yogurt container top and hot glue :). I think I may have found the answer (or at least part of it): Did some calculations the gist of which is: Size # elements Total Wetted Area 18 gauge 4 electrodes: 1.524376436 14 gauge 2 electrodes: 1.617462816 Almost the same wetted area, so why do I see a problem here? A couple reasons :-). Loose nut behind the keyboard for one. I checked my logs and the starting current (Ico) for the 18 gauge assembly was (for round numbers) 0.70 mA. Interesting to note that the Ico for the 14 gauge assembly is (again for round numbers) 0.35 mA. Generally a factor of two (2). The run takes twice as long to get to the same Icf (ending current) value. We have the same surface area for all practical purposes. The run time is *still* twice that of what Ole Bob's chart showed. Not sure about all this yet, but we are getting there. One thing that certainly must figure into this is that the 18 gauge 4 electrode configuration is configured as two sets of two electrodes. I also noted that with banging around over time that the separation of the electrodes is no longer a one inch square, but closer to a 3/4 square. The generator in the current configuration is capable of putting out 10.5 mA short circuit current so I don't think current capacity is the issue. This can be increased by changing the LED current limiting resistors to the optos if this is an issue, but I suspect not. Just to verify this, I am going to make another run with the 18 gauge assembly to see what happens. More on this to follow. This may well be a case of changing too many things at once. Again, the thing that bothers me is that *now* I am running basically the same configuration that Ole Bob used to generate the charts he posted a while back and where I was matching the first run (leftmost of the plots) consistantly with the 18 gauge stuff, I am now (well, two runs) matching the 6th plot, seemingly consistantly. I'm not *out of the ballpark* but we seem to be way off to the side. I've made these changes in the interest of standardization to see if we can arrive at similar data points so we can possibly determine factors that might be consistant enough to give a reasonable PPM figure for a given Ico and time of run to get to a given end point. More research is required here. Comments? Thanks take care, Vikki. P.S. am I now stirring the pot :-) ;-)? -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSWater for CS Research, please help!
Marshall Dudley wrote: Victoria Welch wrote: Hi everyone and thanks in advance! I'm trying to understand why there seems to be a variation in startup currents when using Distilled Water (DW). Pure water is almost an insulator. Extremely small amounts of dissolved salts, gases or metal ions increase the conductivity tremendously. Sounds like a place where the Hanna TDS meter just might shine :). THe Cullysprings (and Safeway - I suspect it is Cullysprings bottled under the Safeway brand name) has a reading of one (1) fresh out of the bottle - consistantly so far. I'll have to correlate that against the 1cm probe values to see what happens. Thanks take care, Vikki -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSInteresting experiment... Tap water...
James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Re: tap water: Do a search for fluoride at www.trufax.org Hideous; does not help teeth. Well familiar with the effects and destructive capabilites of this rather insidious industrial waste that has been fostered off on us as a rather ingenious (if awful) way to make money in the disposal process. Greed is such an interesting force. I grew up around military installations (army brat air force brat). I have been told (never ran any tests myself) that the concentration of flouride is typically higher in those environments (or was when I was growing up during the times of the wonder drug flouride). I do know *for certain* that it didn't help my teeth any, and have been told that this was a contributing factor in my teeth being so brittle. My teeth (those that are left) are dark compared to most people and I knew one guy (years ago) whose father was stationed at some place in Texas (IIRC) for a long time that actually had black teeth (VERY high concentrations cause this from what I have heard). Your are right - nasty stuff. Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSInteresting experiment... Tap water...
Mary wrote: I used to be a schoolteacher and we had to feed the kids their fluroide every day. I wonder if they still do that? I don't think so, there was some stink about it even back then, but them folks were troublemakers that were opposed to progress. These days, the government sees that it is in all the drinking water and thereby eliminates any real possibility of choice by the common man. I had no idea it was toxic and just did as I was told.. There was a time when the government was trusted by those of us who still thought the gov was what the constituion and civics books said it was. I still remember waking up to find that the gov DID lie and was in bed with special interests. It was a very difficult revelation to integrate. I used to put it copiously on my own teeth..! You still do :-( unless you have your own supply. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSliability
donna2...@aol.com wrote: Mike, Then I must sadly say that I do not feel comfortable with my previous posts being put up on the archives. This is something that everyone must think about and I do not at all feel comfortable with this. I am going with my gut instinct here and that is usually right. Glad to see so many people have such faith in our wonderful justice system in this country of, by and for the lawyers :(. I'll admit that it makes me uncomfortable as well. At first thought, I really thought this would be a GOOD idea and it still may be, I'd like to think I am over reacting... I've wasted a lot of time this morning wondering what I need to do to insure that I won't be an immediate victim of some hungry lawyer rootin around the web for a new source of income (nice thing about the web, rather than chase ambulances, they can do it from their easy chair at their desk). I realize that I ain't selling, but I may be (soon?) constructing devices for illegal activities and disseminating documents of a nature to encourage illegal activities that might subvert The Children who could easily get ahold of / construct my potential contriband (what a horrible person I am, they only have the best in mind for The Children). Seriously, while I realize that the above is *unlikely* we live in a time where the government is becoming more and more oppressive and who knows what their next target for The Good Of The Children is going to be. Remember, we do live in a country where, in reasonably recent times, we had witch hunts and all the horror that entailed. Am I paranoid? Dunno, I just remember the poster my therapist had on her wall: Just because you are paranoid, that doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you. Yes, she had a delightful sense of humor... Now that I wrote this, I am a bit afraid to post it. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSLost formating of Fluoride article(marginally on topic)
James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Sorry, I did not know the formatting would be lost in translation. I know this is marginally on topic, but our goal is to live healthy lives and keep our wits about us. Some people are using fluoridated water to make CS. See, there is a connection. Just to make sure you understood: I tried ONE batch with tap water just to see what would happen. Normally I *DO* use DW :-). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSA few updates on the web site...
Hi All, A few updates to the web site. Just in case anyone is interested :). Updated generator and power supply schematics and some new pix. Long day, nappy bye time :-). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: question
James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: The purpose of the 'racial' problems is to divide and distract us. We must put all of that aside, and unite against the common enemy. During the construction of the great transcontinental railways of this continent, Blacks, Chinese, Irish and others lived and worked side-by-side, without great problems, until the Railroad Companies segregated them. In the South, at the time of the Civil War there were about 100 times as many indentured whites---who were essentially slaves---as there were slaves of African heritage. All of the history we have been force-fed, is jive. Look as who benefits, follow the money, read the unauthorized histories. George Bush's father, Prescott (sp?) helped finance the Nazis. Pull your head out and take a look around. Rant, blather, sputter, etc. Bravo! Nothing deleted, Things that need to be known! Has someone else figured out the ultimate diagnostic tool to get real answers? I'm not sure what the correct name is, but I call it The Money Flow Diagram. And a fine rational rant it was, but watch this reality stuff, it conflicts with special interests and the official line :-(. I'm still composing mine and checking flack jacket and helment for servicability :-). -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net The revolution will not be televised - anon. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: question
man had recently asked me
if Jesus liked black people. That broke my heart to think that He had
been presented in any other light. (but of course, most of the
pictures of this Jew are with white skin and blue eyes)
Without getting into it too deeply, that representation of Jesus is
wholly inaccurate assuming that he was not unusual (as in albino or
some such), if you have ever done any research on that area of the
world, it just doesn't wash. Interesting to note that in other areas of
the world, the representation is not alway Jesus as lilly white :-).
I thought
that our friend in Malaysia would understand my statements without
going into great detail. Yes, I could have mailed him direct,( I
normally do when it's personal) but was hoping by putting it on the
list to give others a chance to respond to his need. (He contributes a
lot)
Problem with statements like this is that they are very easily
misunderstood due to the issue at large (emotional in most cases rather
than reasoned and, not infrequently milked for some other purpose).
There ARE those elements of ethnic minorities that prey on {name color
of choice} mans guilt for, bluntly, economic reasons.
I will have to admit to being ignorant about whatever it was that was
affecting Lew in this light. I guess I just do not base decisions about
people on their racial background. I have another girlfriend who is
also Malaysian (is that the right way to put that?) with whom I have had
enless hours of discussion of endless subjects who has taught me much
about the lifestyles, culture and so on of life there as well as
teaching me much about the Moslem religion and probably most important,
that she is a wonderful human being with whom I enjoy spending time.
English is not her first language and on more than one occasion she has
screwed it up to where I could have been offended, but we continue to
communicate (I'm the ugly american here, we talk in english :) until
it gets worked out. She has taught me some of her language and to be
real honest, she does a lot better in english than I do in Malaysian
:-).
In case Lew reads this:
Selamat Pagi, Lew! Terima kasih for all your contributions to this list!
(that is the extent of what I know :-( ). (Good morning, Lew! Thank you
for ...).
I was also conscious of the people who don't like to wade
through long things, so tried to shorten my story.
IMO, not a good thing to do on this kind of subject anywhere I can think
of.
The point to
what I wrote was forgiveness and reconciliation,
That will work :-)! However, no one I know is abusing people *today*,
just give everyone the rights they should have as a default and get on
with it. There is no way that the injustices suffered by those long
since dead can be righted other than by possibly not doing them to the
groups in question today.
not shame and guilt.
I, personally, am in the business of getting people free of all that.
But certain things have to be recognized and dealt with before the
freedom comes. One of the most powerful things I've seen was at a
meeting where the speaker representing the white race repented of
racial hatred. (he had none personally)
If he had none then I personally view it as being partonizing.
Perhaps in the context of the meeting with those of like mind, it had
value.
Also IMO, freedom is something that can be oppressed, but not taken away
(unless, I suppose, that someone washes out your head).
Then a black man walked up
spontaniously and did the same and the next thing I knew black, white,
asian people (esp. men) were all over the room were hugging, weeping,
repenting for their own hatred. Something broke in the spirit.
Marvelous concept, what happend the next day? Things like this take
much time to actually settle in, but, perhaps things like this will help
it happen faster.
I don't mind if you disagree with me about anything; I just was sorry
that I wasted your valuable input to this list by an off- topic area
over something we actual agree on.
Well, such as we do :-).
Hope this clarified and didn't add to division.
Actually, once elaborated on and clarified, it probably ultimately ended
up doing more to promote cohesion, even as off topic as it was.
Take care, Vikki.
P.S. Any more on this, lets take it to mail.
--
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#include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/
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easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard.
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Re: CSGary/sinus/Bronchial infections/Nebuliser/Yay!!
Charles King wrote: Gary, If you have the three battery (27v) setup, measure the starting current of a run. If it is well under a milliamp (more like 0.25 ma) your water is probably fine. Chuck Just in case it helps here, I went back through my records and have starting currents in the range of 0.16 mA through 0.72 mA with most of it scattered around 0.60 mA. I am also running 40 volts and 18 gauge electrodes, so that may account for the difference here. Before I started keeping records as I recall at 26 V I was running pretty consistantly around 0.27 mA. All batches but two have been using the Cullysprings water from Safeway. I also have a gallon of the Safeway store brand and that looks like it is in line with the Cullysprings stuff. I'm in Washington (Seattle) so maybe Safeway might be in OR also. The Cullysprings stuff has been very consistant between batches. FWIW: I am in the process of changing over to the standard here at this point - 28 volts (3 new duracell 9Vs show 28.8 V) and 14 gauge electrodes. Sorry if I sound disconnected here, it has been a busy day :-). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS section of my web site...
Hello Charles, [ ... ] Take your series resistor R2, and put it on the other side of the motor. Parallel the resistor with a capacitor determined by experimentation. The initial starting current will be high enough to start the motor as the cap charges. The value of R2 will determine run speed. Thanks! I didn't think of that :-) I'm used to thinking about starter caps on honkin industrial AC motors :-). Duhhh, works with DC also :-). For some reason, I can't acess your site with Opera. I have to fire up Internet Explorer. Booo, Hisss BLUSH ... Sorry to force you to resort to that :-(. Sigh, I don't know why. Just what are you seeing (or not seeing) ? Text problem? Graphic problem? The only thing I can think of that might be screwing you up is the font/font stuff ?!? Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS section of my web site...
Charles King wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:17:37 -0700, Victoria Welch vi...@oz.net wrote: For some reason, I can't acess your site with Opera. I have to fire up Internet Explorer. Booo, Hisss BLUSH ... Sorry to force you to resort to that :-(. Sigh, I don't know why. Just what are you seeing (or not seeing) ? Text problem? Graphic problem? The only thing I can think of that might be screwing you up is the font/font stuff ?!? Can't access from this machine timeout on both http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki and http://vikki.oz.net with and without a ending /. Very strange, I wonder if it is just an Opera thing, works fine for me out of netscape either way, justg tried it, but I did notice that if I use the form: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki netscape puts in the trailing / for me. Go figure? I was also wondering if it might have been a DNS issue - you can try 206.39.144.179 in that case. I've had people with screwed up DNS in the past do this and have it work where the name didn't. I don't think this is the issue now though. Too many possibilities anymore - lets all go back to lynx :-P. Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSStir time part 1
Charles King wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:04:37 -0500, bober...@swbell.net wrote: The start current was 7.8 ma and went to 86.0 ma in two hours and then the current started to decrease.Stopped 20 minutes later. There was constant motor stirring of the type that Vikki is now using. OK, So we still have a working hypothesis of low current (3ma) equals [ ... ] ^ Typo? Should that have been . Just asking as I am still confused / ignorant about this. 3 mA could be 100 Amps. Not trying to be obnoxious here, I really do not know (yet :). Still much to understand about the process. Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: question
Charles King wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:57:00 -0500, Daniel and Karen Croom je...@webchoice.net wrote: I thought that I was colour-blind until I went to my husband recently and confessed that I thought I might be prejudiced. I was serious, but he started laughing. He knew that I was talking about the white race and we have white skin. Well, I got over that but I still feel like asking forgiveness from people of other races for all of the sins of the past. And some of it continues today. I would like our government to have a public apology to the Native Americans. Isn't that something!!! Now your supposed to feel GUILTY just for being who you are. Strange the way the mind can work. Agree! I am not responsible for what my ancestors did or didn't do (I sure had no control over their actions). All I can do is try to be a good person and treat people as they deserve to be treated now. Comments like the above really bother me for some reason... Sadly, I have written it off to being in the USA in the 90s :(. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSNew electrode assembly - questions...
Hello All and Thanks in advance. I got some 14 gauge .999 siler wire courtesy of my sister this weekend and am in the process of building up a new electrode assembly. Since the idea (seems to me) is to get to some standard method of doing things, I wanted to ask what everyone else is using for electrode length (total and wetted length) as well as the spacing. Please advise so I can build this thing to the accepted standard. Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSStir time part 1
Charles King wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:02:52 -0700, Victoria Welch vi...@oz.net wrote: Typo? Should that have been . Just asking as I am still confused / ignorant about this. 3 mA could be 100 Amps. Not trying to be obnoxious here, I really do not know (yet :). Still much to understand about the process. Thanks take care, Vikki. Yeah,Drat Use shorthand, and then have to explain 'cause I did it wrong! What day is this, Monday, figures.. LESS THAN 3 ma Not a problem, it happens :). Nice part (and it is nice, I think) is that people here seem to have the interest to understand it and help in cases like this. If we were all perfect :-) none of this would be an issue :-). I'm far from perfect, but I am pretty darn good grin. Now I have to think about that as I have adopted Ole Bobs parameters to run to 4 mA for my standard brew giving a SWAG of 13-15 PPM. Sigh, so much to learn (SWAG == Scientific Wild Arsed Guess :-). Would 3 mA give ~= 10 PPM. Hummm.. Thanks very much and take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSInteresting experiment... Tap water...
Hi All, Just to share this FWIW. Just for jollies, I filled a glass with Seattle City (tap) water. Wow, what an education. The water had an initial TDS reading of 34 right out of the tap. Further I has a *very* slight Tyndal Effect (you have to be in dim light to see it). I dropped the probe assembly into the glass and fired up the generator. Starting current was 8.00 mA with a corresponding voltage of 14.5. This seems pretty close to the upper limit of the current limiter, such as it is. I let this run for 22 minutes (had to break it off to go somewhere) at which point I had a 8.37 mA draw at 13.1V (28V supply) and a cloudy milky whitish grey tint to the solution. You can see through it easily enough and it does seem to be clearing (about 2 hours later now) but still noticibly milky. The Tyndal effect is striking and quite broad compared to what I get using DW. Final TDS reading was 38. I don't know if I even want to consider cooking with tap water anymore... Just found it interesting and thought I'd share this. Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: question
aka Jhon wrote: It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself. - Thomas Jefferson, By the time Americans know who the enemy is, the slaughterhouse gates will already be shut. EB if he was really not one of the best-intentioned men(woman?) in the world, he might be a very dangerous one. the Aryans of ancient India stated that, The loss of memory is root of evil. (save me from people with 'good' intentions, who do not know history.) On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:57:00 -0500, Daniel and Karen Croom je...@webchoice.net wrote: I thought that I was colour-blind until I went to my husband recently and confessed that I thought I might be prejudiced. I was serious, but he started laughing. He knew that I was talking about the white race and we have white skin. Well, I got over that but I still feel like asking forgiveness from people of other races for all of the sins of the past. And some of it continues today. I would like our government to have a public apology to the Native Americans. Isn't that something!!! Now your supposed to feel GUILTY just for being who you are. Strange the way the mind can work. Chuck The object is to learn from history, not wallow in it... -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSIt's Time for a newsgroup..
Tim Cudzilo wrote: Hello Silver List Folks - This is list is just too much to sort through. A newsgroup is needed. [ ... ] I'll disagree with this unless it is on a closed server and NOT available via the mainstream news channels. I've seen enough weirdos pollute a good newsgroup, just because they can - all the good people that make it worthwhile leave and start a mailing list. While there IS a lot of traffic and some of it extraneous the signal-to-noise of this as a mailing list is still VERY high. Something I simply do not think would continue to happen if it went to news. Somehow on any subject on a newsgroup that is even vaguely controversial the nut cases come out of the woodwork and any benefit would most likely degenerate into a nightmare. Pardon me for being paranoid, but if anyone could read it, I'd rather the FDA and those with vested interests in seeing this not happen had to work to find it rather than have it delivered to their desktop... One thing that we could do here :-) is to be more conscientious about maintaining the Subject line :-). Just my #0.02. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h My web site: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/ Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSLew/magnetized water
Hello Stephen, I wonder if magnetized water would be OK to use with CS? Ag isn't magnetic in and of itself, but I suspect it would effect the charged particles ??? Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS section of my web site...
Hi Everyone, Even as hectic as things are, I finally got some work done on the CS section of the web site ( http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki ). I added the schematic and code for the generator and the schematic for the power supply. Just in case anyone might be interested :). As always, comments are welcome! Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries is not, 'EUREKA!' (I found it) but, 'That's funny.' --- Issace Asimov ... I'm not politically incorrect; you're ideologically sheltered. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS measurements ?!
James and Ian, [ ... ] I have become accustomed to using PPM because that is what most everyone on the list uses. I don't have a direct formula to convert mS to PPM, but I will get one. My meter displays either. If you have a formula to convert PPM to mS, I would appreciate it if you could pass it along. I now have the Hanna TDS and would like to make it as useful (or potentially so) as possible. Microsiemens are a measure of conductance; it is the Ohm---unit of resistance, upside down; the reciprocal or 1/Ohms. [ ... ] Hummm, it might be iteresting to see if my computed resistance will match the TDS value when computed that way. Just a quick computation from some of my data came out to a finished mS of 0.00011626 (1/8601), maybe it doesn't work that way...?!? Send the water and some of your silver; I will do a PPM test on both the water and the sol. For a limited control, you could also have Bob Berger test it. I am, first off, courious as to what you use to get the actual PPM reading. Device, manufacturer, cost, supply costs? thoughts and comments? If you don't mind me asking. This not knowing is driving me to drink (fortunately it is CS I am drinking :). In the process, if you do testing, what are your rates? Santa Fe New Mexico Loved the area - hated the economy. The Pojaque(sp?) were a real thrill as well :-/. Got to visit the old governers place down on the square and in general explore the area and thoroughly enjoyed it. What an archeological paradise :)! After a few days there I could breath again :-). Thanks and take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS measurements ?!
Hi James, Thanks very much for your responses! [ ... ] You are hooked. And more confused than ever :-). I *think* I have the LVDC/LVAC process down at this point and not a clue as to what goes on :(. With my generator as it is now I can pretty much duplicate the operation of any generator in the above class with a few cranks on a few pots. Until I can get some useful test data methinketh it ends here. I take solice in that I am, at least, producing something usable even if I have not a clue what it is. Santa Fe has great weather and sky. Bummer, though, if Los Alamos blows, we are right downwind. And there is lots of black ops in the hills...transdimensional hyper-intelligent soulless lizzard overlords hiss and slither at the edge of your cactus-fractured mind- shadow Man! it is late. :) it is that 7000' altitude :-). I also got to visit Los Alamos with someone who had been there in the early days, even got to see the first breeder reactor site (unmarked now) down in the ravine. Took lots of pictures (and am sure the NSA knows who I am now :) of the worlds largest store of fisionable materials (or at least in the USA). All very interesting and all very scary. Outside of the ancient indian sites I didn't see anything else interesting. Of course I wasn't out in those hills in the wee hours either. Would have liked to have had the opportunity to talk with a few of those lizards :-). Hummm, may be too early here :). Did love it there, but was not willing to work for $5.50/hr. I was really rather surprised at it all for a state capitol, but I suppose that it good and bad in the long run :-( :-). Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
Mercer wrote: Just tried to order CS from the vitamin shoppe catalog and they told me that the FDA had pulled all the CS from the shelves and they had no explanation for the action. Anyone know anything about this? I am s mad right now.. Yup understand, our tax dollars at work... Some problem here in the land of the free... Free to comply with the government I think that means. Yes, it is upsetting and more scary on a rather continual basis. Sigh... -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net The people came to realize that wealth is not the fruit of labor but the result of organized protected robbery. Franz Fanon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
Mercer wrote: so it's TRUE??? I don't know for sure if it is true, but with the way our government works, it would come as absolutely no surprise at all. We're too stupid to do anything ourselves, we need some politician / bureaucrat and an agency with a SWAT team (any of them anymore I think) to be sure we do what is best for the whole and most especially what is good for the children. Just give up a little more freedom and all will be well. Don't worry, be happy, your government will take care of you. Yes, I am disgusted with it all. There was some TV program on a while back relating to problems with airbags in cars and the nightmare that people (esssentially very short and were more likely to be injured by the airbags than saved by them) had to go through to have them either disconnected or a switch installed to disable them. A politician / bureaucrat they were interviewing seemed shocked that people were not willing to go along with the greater good and continually emphasized that individual freedoms *must* be given up for the greater good of the whole. I personally found it rather chilling. I'm going to take my morning stroll and will stop by the local suplements store an ask about the CS thing. Will post results when I get back. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
Mercer wrote: so it's TRUE??? Hasn't happened at the local supplements store, just got back and they still have it on the shelf, the (rather clueless) clerk didn't know anything. I mantioned it to someone here and they said it might just be the stuff that was being advertised as a drug rather than a supplement. Dunno. Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHELP!!!
Hello Gina, Let me get this straight..because I was unaware that I could not use HTML.(didn't even know what it was 'til now)...I am on your kill list? Yes. Or you were as I reject HTML and other oddly formatted messages from people I do not know as a general course of action. or have I done something else equally offensive? No, nothing else world shattering ;-). This isn't personal and I do it for several reasons. One is that a lot of the spam I get uses HTML to force my browser to their site before I can do anything about it (grrr), another is that I am an official net.old.fart and plain text is supposed to be used for news and mail since everyone can't see it and some even have to pay to bring in a simple message that is, say, 500 characters in text format and goddess only knows how much bigger in HTML or whatever. Someday bandwidth will get cheaper (I hope) and HTML/RTF or something will take over plain text when everyone can see it / use it / not have it cost them an arm and a leg. Personally I think that is a good idea, but the time isn't here yet. I've quite preaching netiquette as it just keeps people who adhere to non-standards for whatever reason they do upset and contributes nothing to the signal-to-noise ratio. Simpler to make my choices like everyone else :). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHow to heat solution?
James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: I suggest the aquarium heater only to bring the solution up to temp for [ ... ] The pain is having to watch it so you don't get it too hot, and then have to cool it. Or you can do what I used to do to process color film in my bathroom. Either get a controlled temperature faucet OR (what I did) get a decent reasonably fast acting thermometer and fill the sink slowly enough that the overflow will handle it (or partially crack the stopper) while adjusting the hot and cold to get a given temperature. I used to use a glass with the thermometer in it to start under the faucet - as the sink fills it takes longer to compensate for differences. I think this was the secret to making this process reasonably easy. This worked quite well enough to get the photo processing chemicals to 77F (as I recall). It was a PITA to adjust the first time, but after that I marked the faucet control knobs and adjustment was pretty quick. If you are going for a long run and are worried about wasting water, you can get it started this way, use the water to transfer to whatever you are sticking the brew cup in and *then* put in the heater and adjust it to where it just comes on. I did that here with the fish tank - I caught a day where the ambient temperature was what I wanted the fish tank to be - stuck the heater in the tank and adjusted it to just come on and the tank has maintained the temperature (every time I ever checked) very closely. Just a thought! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSsubscribun
James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: You have to spell it right for the software to see it. James Osbourne, Holmes Not to mention, it helps if it goes to the right place: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSResearch status notes...
Hello All, I'm *way* behind in all this, sigh... Things have been hectic with job hunting and life in general as of late. I haven't posted any new EDRs on the web site because of the above. I do have a couple of notes on these. Continuing to run these with Ole Bobs parameters shows a definite consistancy. From whatever beginning Ico (current) I find I am reaching 4 mA in less than an hour in almost all cases. With all the distractions, I have been doing a poor job of recording the results every 15 minutes :-( but around 50-55 minutes current limiting has cut in. Thanks to Steve, I have a TDS meter to play with. Whether or not this is useful, it gives me something to look at before and after batches. Starting with whichever water I use (just starting to use a store brand (Safeway) but still have some of the Cullysprings stuff left). Both types start out with a TDS PPM of 1 (one). At the end of the run to 4 mA (run stops at one hour or when I notice current limiting in effect) I am reading a TDS PPM of 7 at the end for both batches. As a SWAG from Ole Bobs data, I was guessing at 13-15 PPM (SWAG = Scientific Wild Arsed Guess :). I rather doubt that a 2x multiplier off the TDS reading is meaningful other than that it might be telling me that the conductivity of the solution is consistant with the process. Comments? The generator is essentially done. I still want to add an ADC (analog to digital converter) to be able to read the current value into the Stamp, but that will happen when it happens. I hope to get the schematic integrated into the web site soon. I've added the ability to control the time of run, switching frequency and current limiting to it via potentiometers (the stamp reads and controls the time of run and switching frequency, the current limiting is not (currently and may not be) dealt with by the stamp). At this point the PC is still required in the loop to be able to see the time of run and switching frequency values :( to set these, although I may well be able to calibrate them with panel labels. When I convert this from the Stamp to a Pic, I will have the hardware resources to drive an LCD display as well (the code to drive it is simple enough that code and variable space is not an issue). Well, essentially done :-). I'm also trying to decide if the forms and graphs of the EDRs on the web site are working as intended. They are *ell to get formatted locally and I have no idea what other people are seeing. I am considering going to a less sophisticated format. Just the table of process values, table of time, voltage, current and computed resistance in a raw preformatted *plain* text format and perhaps the charts. I would specifically appreciate hearing what people are seeing from this area of the site and comments. I'd much rather this be easily accessable, no larger than it need be (other folks in different places pay heavily by how much they download) and most of all remain with the minimum of glitz. Comments solicited and most welcome. That's about all the news that is fit to print :-). Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or prostitute. - Rebecca West, 1913 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHELP!!!
Jim wrote: Every time I open a post from Gina I get nothing but little boxes instead of letters, and every post I open after is the same. If I close my mail and reopen, I can read other posts from the silver list, but if I go to open one from Gina again I get the boxes again without any text. Any ideas? Never happened before. Some sort of cs resistent bug? If this is the one I think it is (on my kill list now - I can read it on this mail agent, but the text is *tiny*) it is someone using HTML or RTF formatting of some ilk for mail. Some mail agents won't read it. According to proper netiquette it shouldn't be used in public forms, unless you *know* everyone can handle it, but time changes things :-). Hint: if you want to reach everyone, stick with time proven standards :-). Hope this helps! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMSM powder - who/why/what :) ?
Hello Charles, In the next few days I plan on a trip to see my sister up on her farm and in the process I plan on stopping in on the farm supply store and quite possibly get some MSM. A few questions: First off I hope this doesn't just come in 25+ pound bags :-) or cost $300/mG :). In my usual monomaniacial persuit of trying to finish one thing at a time :-) I have let the MSM stuff here on the list go by with intention of looking into it later. Now the opportunity arises to possibly pick some up. I am mostly interested in it (for the moment) as a wetting agent for CS as a topical applicant. Every time I spray CS on something, for the most part it beads up and runs off. What should I specifically look for on a label of this stuff? I've gotten the impression that they should know what I want when I mention MSM and point me to the right place, but knowing more than the TLA (three letter acronym :) for it might be good :). Please tell me what you can. Thanks much in advance. Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSUNIX geek wanted...
M. G. Devour wrote: Hiya, folks! Pardon the bizarre subject line, but this is actually for the sake of the list! If we've got any unix officianados who would like to help me debug my effort to get the silver-list's back messages whipped into shape to be uploaded into the archive, could you let me know? Well, sez she, pushing back from the system consoles (not quite to edge of pedestal labeled System Goddess), drops 17 empty cans of Jolt into the trash, empties ashtrays, tosses old donut boxes to floor, discretely tucks pocket protector to side, picks up 12oz mug of steaming expresso off the coffee warmer, takes off glasses and tosses them on now clear desk (except for piles of parts, test equipment, manuals and paper), looks up at Mike and sez: What unix ya talking about and whatcha got in mind? -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMSM powder - who/why/what :) ?
Hi James, MSM best local prices are usually at your local animal supply; same stuff. Or, buy in bulk off the web for lots cheaper. For one pound, usually about 20 pelts at the horse medicine store. [ ... ] Thanks very much! I forwarded parts of that to my sister so she might be able to check on it - no stores like that here in the big city that I know of and we are going up that way for a brief visit sometime soon (escape from the sewer for a bit!!). Hopefully she will be able to find it at good prices! Say, I just caught some of your pix on your site. Forget the silver. Huh? All that computer equipment and electronic stuff isn't going to aid in staying healthy of and by itself :). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net 'Two of the gravest general dangers to survival are the desire for comfort and a passive outlook.' -- U.S. Army Ranger Handbook -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: QRV?
Good Morning Bob, Evidently you did not get the chart for the data on the graphs that I sent separately . No, I hadn't seen it :-(. I will attach it now. Many thanks! Most interesting. As a purely SWAG (scientific wild arsed guess :) I think I now have an idea of what PPM concentration (range) I may be in. (15-21). What I have been coming up with does *taste* more bitter than the stuff I remember from a while back that I purchased (no idea what that was, but I would suspect maybe 5 PPM). The only thing I seriously wonder about here is the Rbf which is the only thing severely out of line with your data from the same basic Ico. The ending currents are not cut off precisely at 4 mA, these were caught as soon as polarity shifted to meet the metering configuration I had setup (only measure on positive polarity) On the Icf of 4.95, I got distracted :). I've since added current limiting to my generator and a more flexible metering arrangement. All R values are computed, I'm still trying to scrounge up the materials for the 1 cm probe. There is a plot of this on the website: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/csr/v4run.jpg I just haven't gotten these batches properly posted yet, a bit much going on around here at the moment :-) :-(. Yes :-), I know it was 5 runs, it was late when I got that data in and the chart setup and exported to the web site, I had originally planned to leave the batch with the Icf of 4.95 out of this since I missed the 4 mA point by so much. Water: Cullysprings all batches. Switch: 1 x 60sec (cycle: 60x60). Ico Icf Time Vo Vf Rbo Rbf - - - -- - 0.644.291:1540.70 36.90 63,594 8,601 0.724.130:5640.60 36.90 56,389 8,935 0.584.951:0040.90 36.30 70,517 7,333 0.604.180:5741.20 37.10 68,667 8,876 0.594.270:5840.70 36.60 68,983 8,571 Electrodes were not cleaned off after the first batch. No fall off worthy of note in the solution at end of process for any batch. Electrodes are a uniform medium to darkish grey with the exception of aproximately the lowest 1/8 (or less - not uniform) is tanish (they have just been resting on the desk for a day or two now). All batches had a moderate TE and the Icf of 4.95 was noticibly stronger. No sparklies were noted. However there were vertical lines in the TE at places that were VERY narrow but noticible in the absense of the TE where those passed through the beam. Anyway, I included all this as it might be of interest ?!? Very much appreciate your work and efforts! Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSsun spots and CS
On Monday, September 13, 1999 4:41 PM, Mercer wrote: [ ... ] Just about an hour ago I had the dermatologist freeze off some sun spots on my arm. (Those annoying spots that accumulate with age.) Now...he told me to put hydrogen peroxide on the them twice a day but I'm thinking of using CS of course. Anyone had any experience with this sort of thing? How often should I put it on and will it heal faster? Less scaring perhaps? I tried this on something, age spots maybe (could be sun spots), on my forearm. I put a bandaid over them and kept them saturated with CS (when I remembered to do it) over a few days. Both of them seem a little better, at least not as dark. I suspect that something like a cotton ball *saturated* with CS and a bigger dressing that would cover it and seal it in to some degree would probably help. I plan on doing this as soon as I can round everything up. Hope this helps! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: [RF]: Re: Roach Removal
wong...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 09/11/1999 5:14:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, vi...@oz.net writes: Heck, down south we have a simpler solution :). We have special boots with pointy toes - we herd them into a corner and squish them there :-). Enough to make a chili sauce? And a lively chili sauce it is! -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSResearch data available and other notes.
nat2...@aol.com wrote: could you give the web address again please? http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki Follow the Collodial Silver Research link. Not much there yet :-(. Hope this helps! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: [RF]: Re: Roach Removal
wong...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 09/11/1999 1:11:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jho...@iafrica.co.za writes: The insecticide chalk is dosed with Pyrethrum one of the most potent naturaly occuring insecticedes obtained from daisies. Hi James This chalk has been sold and used here over 50 yrs. The ingredient(s) were never listed. The FDA never did an analysis ( because I suspect) as it's use was confined within the Asian community. How did you find out? wong Heck, down south we have a simpler solution :). We have special boots with pointy toes - we herd them into a corner and squish them there :-). Hope everyone is having a good weekend! -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSResearch data available and other notes.
Hi Ivan! Great site, loads of potential. (love that camera work) You are most talented. Thanks, it is a start and will hopefully turn into something useful. Not sure just how talented I am, but I sure am persistant :-). I'm not sure just how useful it actually is at this point, I've gotten very little feedback (but lots of hits to the pages :). I suppose that one thing that might be in order is the kowtowing to the medibiz and govbiz ghods by placing all the standard disclaimers in there before the FDA swat team comes in the middle of the night... Hope to join in your discussions soon, once my work load lightens. Will look forward to it! Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS mystery solved
Hello Chuck, Bob, Your pcx is almost unreadable. Need much better resolution. I can't make out the notations at all. I tried all sorts of stuff in photoshop here to enhance the image, but no luck :-(. None the less, the curves sure are consistant! If Bob can't enhance it, when we get the tabular data, I can make up one and stick it on my web site. Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSLaser/cds preliminary testing...
Hi Trem, I suspect your readings will be about the same with or without CS in the water with your present setup. I think you would have better luck if you were to put the CDS at right angles to the laser beam and cenered on the CS container. That way you will get the scattered light that reflects off the silver, rather than the full beam which is only impeded a little bit by the silver in the water. I have done some experiments along this line using high intensity LED's and found the experiment to be more sensitive that way. I added a second cds as you recommened and did some VERY preliminary testing and it looks like you are right. That little laser I have is *intense*. You also might try keeping the container with CS and the setup in a light tight box. It also helps to keep the CDS in a tube so the scattered light only comes at it from right angles and also through a straight tube. That also increases sensitivity. Another thing that increases sensitivity is to let the laser beam not strike anything on the far side of the container so it won't reflect any light back into the container. Or paint it black so as to absorb the light. That way, all you get on the CDS is scattered light. Hope this gives you more to think about and perhaps try. Yes, it does, much appreciated. I didn't get to do much other than add the 90 degree cds. I built a new power supply and did a major overhaul to the generator today. Made some smashing differences. I'll try to write this up and either post it to the list or put it up on my web site. Tomorrow, if anything is open, I'll look for flat black paint and make up shields for the cds. Thanks and take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSResearch data available and other notes.
Hi All, I've been working at getting a few things done here :-) and am making some progress. It still isn't where I want it to be, but this is a start. For the moment you can get to it through the following URL. This currently can be found at: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki/csr/csr.html This is set up to work with the frames that my site uses and it will be a bit messy at first (going there directly), I'll get it integrated (hopefully today) and you can find it off the main navigation menu ( http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki ) once I get that done. The form is not properly formatting and I was up until the wee hours screwing around with that with (as will be obvious) not much success yet, but it is easy to get this much... Yesterday was a busy day! I made major revisions to my generator to get more current out of it and put together a power supply to run it thus freeing my other supplies for further experimenting! The new supply also brings my voltage in the range that others are using and runs the stirring motor as well. I also integrated some of the ideas that Ole Bob has shared and this is going to make some of my nightmare things a thing of the past. THANKS Bob! I ran one batch after getting all the construction (re-construction ? :) out of the way last night, that info is reflected on the web site. It looks like I am starting all over with the new generator. The run was reduced to 3 hours instead of the 5 that I have been using. I think this has to do with the additional current capacity and higher voltage I have now (my old voltage was marginal at very best). Anyhow, I want to add some pix and other things to the CS section of the web site as I have time, hopefully it won't cause the FDA swat team to visit in the early morning hours or worse a horde of lawyers :-/... Comments? Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSWeb page updated...
Hi ALL, I just did some quick bashing on the web page, not beautiful, but functional for now. It can now be reached off the main navigation menu at: http://vikki.oz.net/~vikki This should make life a little easier at this point :-). Enjoy (hopefully :). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSResearch data available and other notes.
Hi Charles, Comments? Way Cool Vikki!!! Your site can help an awful lot of newbies, too! It's a BIG help when you can see the parts. Good to hear this. Eventually I will hopefully get some solid info up there, at least that is my goal. BTW, I see after all the badmouthing of RS, a great big Archer prototype board. She. :) well, truth of the matter is that it works, it has a few very loose connection points and some that almost require a hammer to get the wires in :-). It is not IMO as good as the 3M stuff (RS == 3M rejects?) but it does work and beats *ell out of doing this with a soldering iron. Now, after all that smoke :-) YOU CAUGHT ME :-)! laugh. Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSLaser/cds preliminary testing...
Hello all, Well, I have done the priliminary pass on this thing and don't know what to think. I've attached a JPG of the jig from my digital camera for your perusal, I hope this is acceptable (sez she donning helment, flack jacket and nomex drawers :). Below is what I shared with Ole Bob on the subject: The preliminary testing of the laser/cds jig do not encourage me. The following is what data I did compile: Cullysprings DW (all batches so far use this), right out of the bottle: 0.27 ohms Batch 9301, 10 second switch, IcO: 0.305 mA, Icf: 2.81 mA, Initial resistance: 129 ohms, Final resistance: 43 ohms. Four hour run. This also gave a 0.27 ohm reading off the cds. Batch 9302, 1 second switch, Ico: 0.439 mA, Icf: 1.051 mA, Initial resistance: 261 ohms, Final resistance: 56 ohms. 5 hour run. This gave a reading of 0.35 ohms. Batch 9401, 5 second switch, Ico: 0.419 mA, Icf: 3.01 mA, Initial resistance: 194 ohms, Final resistance: 8 ohms. 3 hour 15 minute run. THis gave a reading of 0.31 ohms. Initial and Final resistances were measured at one set of probes giving about a minute for the readings to stabilize, used 2K scale. Positioning of the laser on the cds makes a difference. Not totally sure about this yet, but the center of the cds somewhat wider than the laser beam seems to remain stable. I had to beef up the jig to minimize the movement caused when turning the laser on. Batch ???, this is a DC batch that I still have around - noticibly yellowish. This was before I started keeping tags on the samples so no other data is available. This one gave a reading of 0.33 ohms. Thoughts? Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you.inline: ltg1.jpg
Re: CSarticle
Daniel and Karen, I would also like to see this article. It would seem simpler with all the requests to just go ahead an post it to the list, if Mike doesn't mind. Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CStyndall beam width/Bob?
bober...@swbell.net wrote: Hi Katarina; I have just posted to Vikki about the need to standardize the method of viewing the laser beam. It is a definite indicator of some property of the CS. They question is how to quantify it. Since every body has different brew cup we can eliminate that. I would suggest that the large size test tube which holds a little over 50 cc would be good. [ ... ] The test tube sounds like a good standard where there is none with the widely varying size of brew containers. HOWEVER, I want to try the following setup under different conditions, perhaps, not likely I admit, it might not be necessary. Just a short note on my initial experiment with the laser/cds photocell. Taking my trusty Fluke DVM, my keychain laser pointer and a rat shack cds cell, I hooked up the DVM to the cds cell and, after noting ambient reading for the light present in the room and setting the scale accordingly, I hit the cds with the laser from about 5 inches and I get a reading of about 0.153 ohms. This varied since (?) I was unable to hold it steady while looking at the meter. I had rather expected the laser to be too powerful for the cds, but, at least, the initial test looks encouraging. I'll try to put together a test stand today to see what kind of results that brings, it should be a challenge for my Swiss Army knife machine shop :). WE WILL bring this beast under control. Hear, HEAR! :-). Happy researching, Yes, it is :-). Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGeneration of CS
Hello Bob, Thanks for the info! [ ... ] This who are capable should make a one cubic centimeter resistance probe. Use 1 cm wide material or the cell constant will be an unknown. Please define / describe the above. Material? Connections (solder or spot weld)? Usage? Computation of cell constant? Perhaps everyone else here is aware of just what this is, I'm a newbie to this list (still :). In the interest of consistancy of reporting / communications :). Open for questions. Thanks! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: How old are you....
Vilik Rapheles wrote: Oh this was delightful! I haven't thought about most of those things in...um...well... Hehehe, me t :-). Sometimes I *hate* getting a perfect score :-). [ ... ] For Females... [ ... ] Or the days when we really did do eyes like Mimi on the Drew Cary show. Argggh.. Exactly ! :-/. After looking at the For Females list, I now *firmly* feel I am more wise than old now grinlaugh ;-) -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNew experiment and observations...Comments solicited!
Hi Charles, The other thought I am having is trying to determine what it would take to build a TDS meter, [ ... ] Geez,don't bother. They only cost $15 from Hanna. Goto: http://www.hannainst.com/products/promo/usa/usaprmo.htm I saw this, but when I am not working, if I don't have it, I don't spend buy anything that isn't critical :-) (or very very cheap, I strip dead electronics that I find for parts :), since I never know how long this will go on. The other side of that is I won't learn anything :). I am a tinkerer and a learning junkie ( some call me a self reliance addict :). Right now I have time to do those things *I* want to do, something that I very rarely have when I am working :(. besides, if I find a way to accomplish this, I think everyone might benefit :) Thanks Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Making CS
Mike Marr wrote: Good price if buying retail, terrible compared to making your own. Really! I was just making a batch and thinking about that. I've made a gallon or two over the past week (10 oz at a time :) and was wondering if even the electricity used was over a penny yet. If the electrodes are worn at all, I sure can't tell. Just for jollies, I pulled out my micrometer and they are still .040 :-). -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net That's why I make my own. I'm comfortable enough with the product and I like being able to make enough to fill two liter bottles for pennies on the FRN's. Agree, the suprising thing is that it is *SO* easy to do. While I can not quantify what I am making, I am producing good stuff. Fortunately there is such a wide range of acceptability (or the body these days with our depleted soils is so desperate for real minerals that it makes the best of almost whatever you make). PS - Keep up the good posts Vikki. I love the way the 'wave' of information lifts us all along the way. Trying :-). Currently back to experimenting with the VLVAC (Very Low Voltage (5V) one minute polarity reversing AC). I am planning on about once an hour stirring and taking an eyedropperful out to taste since the previous failed batch done this way had no Tyndal effect but a solid CS taste. If this method turns out to be reliable and not to take too horribly long, using a BS1 or (MUCH cheaper) equivalent program programmed into a Pic would make for the cheapest and easiest generator I have seen yet. Not to mention that it would practically run forever off a single 9V battery. Further research updates to follow :-). Fun stuff, good stuff, healthy stuff, easy to make stuff - hard to beat :-). Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMaking CS
G'Day Bob :-), Perhaps you can come up with a standard procedure for making CS in a simple easy to follow uncomplicated way. Well, this is something I have seen a LOT of out there, mostly for commercial machines. I am sure these people have made some effort in the matter to do just this. The more unknowns the more random the PPM. Perhaps with their testing to determine these things, we can assume (!??!?!) that is the reason that the devices that they sell are $60+ rather than $10 for the three batteries, jumper clips and silver wire :-). I haven't purchased any of them, I'm using the $10 approach and bitching about having no idea of what I am producing (although it certainly seems like good stuff(TM:) :-). However, not all of those in need have $60+ to spend, there have been times in my life when $60 was a fantastic amount of . So I do think that this line of research does have merit... I also know that there are people out there who have been terrified into being afraid of what humans have done since time immemorial, namely making medicine. In the USA (possibly less so elsewhere in the world) witches, root women, shamans, witch doctors, midwives, crones and the like do this all the time and with more effectiveness than the $75/visit MDs want us to know about. These people are afraid and justly so, there are a great many medicines that can be fatal in improper dosage. We have a WONDERFUL natural thing here, but the AMA is fighting it along with the drug companies (CS is not patentable, so they can't charge $1000 for an application), but we are only able to communicate it in the most vague (and unacceptable (until they are so sick that they have nothing to loose to try it)) terms. We know it works and how easy it is to make, but about all we can say is take it on blind faith, people are leary of this, they did that with the conventional medical establishment also... I think that this communication problem (and AMA/FDA/drug company FUD) makes people wait until they are ready to die before being willing to try it and of course, by then, it is a crap shoot... Think of what we might be able to do if this were not so. Sorry to be expressing my frusteration here, it is kind of out of place. * Something like; A 12oz glass with an inside diameter of 3 1/2 [ ... ] ^^ This should yield a xxppm with a particle size of . to . And this is the rub. Unless I just haven't found this for the absolute base generator design (3-9V and 2 silver wires) this does not exist other than vaguely at best. I have not looked at the differences in Distilled Water yet. I've seen a couple pieces of data that would leave me to think that there are significant differences between brands, although I must admit this confuses me. I had *assumed* (you know how that goes :) that Distilled Water was just pure water with all the impurities distilled out and would thus all be the same. At this point I have not investigated this so I don't know what to say. I purchased 4 gallons of Distilled Water from the grocery store (all same brand and probably the same batch) and now being into the third gallon (just), the starting current flow has stayed VERY constant. If, one distilled water brand has higher conductive properties than another this will mean a difference in PPM and particle size for the same electrodes and the same current flow, it would seem. Making something that is useful appears to be trivial, but knowing what that is that you made (nn PPM) is the problem which makes: ^^ Most people are comfortable with a maintenance dose of ___ ^^twice a day, Double or triple that when trying to combat a ^^health crises. problimatical with those that are used to hard dosage values that are hard to convince. There has to be some way (other than blind faith) to determine this so we can communicate effectively. CS *certainly appears* to be something with a very wide dosage spread... I go back and forth on this :-) I feel like all this investigation and research is wasted time since 45 minutes with 3-9V batteries and 2 silver wires seems to be good enough, there are certainly enough testimonials to back this up. Dunno. Good CS seems to be more than easy, provable content seems to get *very* expensive *very* quickly (more so for some of us than others). Is there a point? Re-inventing the wheel is something I try to avoid. As a tinkerer, however, I am having a good time and perhaps even learning something :-). Like you are looking for. Something easy to build and easy to run, but with fairly predictable results. It would work for me and probably a lot of people. Vikki, thank you for what you are doing. I pray God bless you with motivation, wisdom, decrement, knowledge and resources. I just stand on the shoulders of giants :-). Thanks take care, Vikki -- Victoria Welch, WV9K
Re: CSCaution to New Members!!
M. G. Devour wrote: Hi everyone, and especially any newer list members! I just wanted to caution you: Even though the techies among us are having a jolly good time hashing over Victoria's experiments with tiny computers and various other high tech gizmos for making CS, *YOU* don't have to be that sophisitcated! The consensus here is that even the simplest setups are enough to brew your own CS. The basic 2 silver wires and a battery connected with clipleads will do it with the right technique. Folks have used the resulting product and reported long term success. [ ... ] So don't let us tinkerers fool you into thinking this stuff is beyond you. It's not. We just want to learn how to make the most reliable, convenient, and useful devices possible. But, they represent the refinement of simpler systems that *ALREADY WORK!!* As one of those tinkerers I agree with Mike most emphatically. Good enough is pretty easy and CHEAP. I am not sure there is any point at all in all the experimenting I am doing, perhaps I will just ultimately convince myself that Mikes comments above are as far as I need to go :-). Technology if it is useful, not just for the sake of the technology. The point of it all: Be well! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNewbie tries new method - report. Goddess knows what I have :-).
Hi Charles Instead of manually switching this every 20 minutes (not sure where I got that value, maybe Bob?), I took a BASIC Stamp 1 microcontroller and wrote a program that would accomplish this. The electronics appeared, in initial testing to work flawlessly, but some events at the end of the process (I declared a current flow of 3.00 ma to be the end of the process). The value was chosen as it was I was getting from the single polarity LVDC method that I had been using with success(? - no PPM values are available, just between 2.5 and 3.0 ma, the finished product *tastes* like CS I had previously purchased). Damn! It looks like I am going to be pushed into this stamp stuff! I can't ignore it when it keeps turning up every time I turn around. Happened to me :-). Simpler than the big boys (8051, 68HC11, etc.) very capable and easy to do (IMO). For things like timers, I like the parts count :-) one. Once you get things prototyped you can (with the BASIC Compiler I have for Pics) just compile your stuff into a Pic (not quite that simple, but not difficult, just takes some time and money :-). The BASIC Stamps are pretty capable all in all, if you can program in BASIC then you probably won't have too much transition time and if you don't BASIC is about as simple as it gets for programming (other issues aside). What's the best way to get up to speed? Does Radio Shack have a hobby kit? Is there a general purpose kit? I really don't have much interest in robotics, but here's an app for CS and another list was investigating apps for mind machines. If Rat Shack sold them I wouldn't be using them. I've heard many times over the years that RS parts are floor sweepings and out-of-spec parts at OUTRAGEOUS prices. The other side of that coin is that they are there and VERY convenient for small parts orders (assuming they have what you need/can use) they may still be somewhat cheaper than shipping... That said we move on :). The place to start looking into these is http://www.parallaxinc.com there is LOTs of good information to be had there. I personally do not like the BS2 and for a lot of things IMO it is overkill. Same with their latest release - forget what it is called, but it is *QUICK*. :-) you might develop an interest in robotics, you never know grin. You can get started for the download time for the manuals and examples and the wear and tear on your printer and the price of the stamp itself. If you can figure out how to make a board to put it on (USE A SOCKET) and build the interface cable, you can get started cheap. The starter kit is around $100 to $150, I forget, but I am sure it is on the web site. Check it out and read the manual and examples (PDF files you can download) to get some idea if you really want to do this to yourself :-). This is very exciting Vikki, congratulations! I'm having fun and hopefully doing myself and my friend something good :-). I suggest you lower your ending current to eliminate the sparkles in your tyndall. I'm setting a new target current of 2ma per your comments and others. Also the person I am making it for says it is STRONG and tastes bad. It doesn't seem so tp me :-). I have not a clue what PPM the solution is, but it tastes like CS :-). I'm not sure, but perhaps you're running into the starved electrode effect described in a past post by Bob Lee I'm inserting a copyI'm sure it will interest you anyway... [ ... ] Thank you very much, I've seen this referenced before. I looked that over and initially I have the deer in the headlights look :-). I'm going to have to study that for a bit to make sense out of it. Maybe it has just been a long day :-). If you have questions on the Stamp, let me know, I'll try to help. I've done several projects with them so I may know a little bit :-). Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSNew experiment and observations...Comments solicited!
Hi again all, I'm here to probably bore most of the list to death with this technical crap :-). I had thought about this and Mike (our illustrious list owner) provided the final push to get me to try this. The BASIC Stamp (and Pics) are capable of sinking 25ma and sourcing 20ma, which is more than enough current for CS. I was concerned that this is at roughly 5 volts (+/- 10%). So I wired up a stamp, stuck a couple 2K2 resistors from the port pins in series to the probes and cobbled up a short program to do the job. I started this at 2015 my time and it is now an hour later. The initial current flow was 40 uA (micro amps or .040 ma). Now I have 48.8 uA. All other conditions are as I have done in the past - same glass, DW, probe spacing, etc. If this is going to work, it will take a LONG while, I think. Did a couple of things just to see what would happen. attached the probes directly to the port pins - no change in current flow (expected). Immediately moved the jumpers back to the other side of the resistors :-). Tried moving the probes closer together and at around 1/8 (the wires are far from straight :) I got the current flow up to 0.1 ma. Moved those back to the original 2.75 spacing. Not quite sure what to think. First thought is that a higher voltage will get the job done a lot faster :-). Time is not quite of the essense, but there comes a time that is too long. I'm trying to decide whether to let this run overnight or not. May just let it run until I go to bed. Anyones thoughts on this solicited. Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNew experiment and observations...Plot **THICKENS**
Hi Everyone, Well blush, there has been an interesting turn of events here as best I can tell. The experiment that I declared failed earlier this morning has taken a twist. Since I had such a pathetic (and unchanging) current flow and NO Tyndal effect (nothing visible to my eyes or anyone else here), I declared it failed and moved on. I modified the code for the controller to change the polarity switching delay from 20 minutes to one minute and uploaded that. I hooked the H-Bridge circuit back together and since there hadn't been any effect I hooked it up to the same container (and DW) I had used for the failed experiment. fully expecting to see the same basic initial current flow I normally have had when starting up using the 27V supply. Surprise! It first looked like the current was 2.77 ma (not an autoranging meter). Humm, think I, this is in the range of Done for a batch. I power down and pull the probes and wipe them off - a smallish amount of medium grey deposit wipes off. Hummm I pick up the glass and take a swig, sure tastes like CS to me. Ok, I turn off the lights (not normally necessary) and hit it with the laser - NO Tyndal effect (this had been running at around 45 ua for 12 hours before I changed over). Now I am really confused. I hook the probes back in and cable them up. Turn on the power and look CLOSELY at the ammeter. Ah, it reads 0.366 ma - a LONG way from done. No Tyndal and a definite taste of CS. It dawns on me that further research is *dead* for me until I get some measurement tools. Something here isn't right... or something is very right. There does seem to be something here to look at, but it is going to take real measurement instrumentation to determine what is happening. I expected that if there was silver in the solution that it would show up as a Tyndal effect (if even dimly). The taste says CS, but the Tyndal effect is simply not present. What I *think* is that I must have an incredibly small particle size ?!?!?!?!? Suddenly I am more confused about this than I was to begin with. Just keeping everyone informed :-). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNew experiment and observations...Plot **THICKENS**
Hi Diane, I expected that if there was silver in the solution that it would show up as a Tyndal effect (if even dimly). The taste says CS, but the Tyndal effect is simply not present. What I *think* is that I must have an incredibly small particle size ?!?!?!?!? Suddenly I am more confused about this than I was to begin with. Just keeping everyone informed :-). I am impressed at your experiment anyway. Where do you get one of these Basic Stamps and how do you program them? The people that make them have a web site at http://www.parallaxinc.com Lots of good information there! I don't work for them, I'm just a quite happy customer. I recommend that people start out with the Basic Stamp 1 (BS1 or BS1IC, I think the product id is?!). I found the BS2 to be sensitive (well, I think so, others may argue that :) and manged to blow one up while accidentally plugging in the communications cable wrong. $49 + carrier board + shipping down the tube in microseconds :-). Yes, I was probably more careless than I should have been, but things like these happen and I have yet to blow up a BS1 with all the stuff I have done with them :-). The BS1 should do you for a long time, I've had mine for over three years now and still find them quite useful for 90+% of the stuff I want to do :-). The only problem I have had with these to date is that one of them has a blown port pin (the other seven function just fine) and I am currently using that particular controller for the experiment with the H-Bridge. I would not doubt that something in one of the MANY projects I have used that for I did wong or slipped or something. Very robust little beasts :-) Your desires and milage may vary :-). Programming them is done in a BASIC like language, most people have been exposed to that at some point in their education and it is a VERY easy language to learn. The stuff you use on the stamp is a pretty small subset of other BASICS. Further there a LOTS of example applications for this out there and you can find things that sorta do what you want and borrow circuits and ideas from those to do what you want to do, that is how I started with them. They are by no means the be-all-end-all of microcontrollers, but for a lot of things they are far more than adequate. More importantly, they are easy and relatively cheap to get started with. If you have an internet connection you can download the manual and applications examples and even give your printer a good workout and print them. If you are handy, you can even build the interface cable, the specifications are in the manual. At that point you need a board of some type to mount them on (I prefer to use the protoboards until I get things worked out enough to make a board for it), the stamp and a 9V battery and then load the software (editor / interface to the stamp) connect up the cable and you are off to work :-). Figuring out how to make them do what you want to do in terms of external circuitry takes longer :-). Hope this helps! If you have other questions, I'll try to answer them. Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNew experiment and observations...Plot **THICKENS**
Hi Diane, [ ... ] How do you program the stamp? What is the input method? (I'm picturing an itty bitty keyboard but that can't be, can it? ;-)) No :-), the interface cable plugs into the printer port of your PC and then into the stamp. You use the editor to edit your code. The editor will also upload your code into the stamp. From what I gather, a basic stamp is a small board with some electronic components. Yes, the carrier holds all the parts (the pre-programmed pic, an EEPROM, a regulator and some other glue components) that make up the BS1 System. It is sorta-kinda like a SIMM with regular through hole IC pins on it. There are pictures of it on the parallax web site. Hope this helps! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNew experiment and observations...Plot **THICKENS**
Hi Jim, Some of the high volt (and even low volt as of late) generators can make a cs without tyndall. There are some on the list that swear by it. Theory being smaller particles will be able to get into cells and kill virus bugs, etc.. What seems to be needed to produce small particle cs is to have a very low current density, which your last experiment seems to have. Agree, my problem is, now apparently other than taste, there seems to be no way other than PPM to have any metric at all. Most people get in a rush and try to put more current through to get a higher ppm. IMHO, ppm is not a good measure of how effective cs is in bug fighting, but we don't have an agreed upon alternative way to rate cs (that I know of). Heck, it will probably start a war on the list to suggest that ppm is really a bad way to rate effectiveness, we only recently got 'most' on the list to understand the a tds meter cannot tell the ppm of cs. [ ... ] Understand. I have both the 10k volt ac setup and a current limiting dc setup with polarity switching 0-35 volts. The dc setup has become my favorite as it is so very controllable. I can shut down at a given voltage draw and can keep my cs with as little or as much tyndall as I like. Current limiting is the greatest. This is my next approach. With the equipment I have, my next attempt will be to measure the resistance and take it from there. Keep up the good work. Well, at the moment I am pretty discouraged in that I can establish no reasonable metric for what I have / am doing. I do take heart in that this seems to be reasonably simple to produce *something* that will most likely help. When I can afford decent test instrumentation, perhaps I will get serious about it again. In the process I will continue to play :-). I suppose I could purchase one (or more :) of the units out on the net, but I am a tinkerer at heart :-) not to mention pretty broke at the moment :-) :-(. It seems to me that unless you know what you have and are somehow able to communicate effective dosage (at least as well as the conventional medical establishment can) that this will remain a country remedy, which seems a real shame when it certainly *seems* to be quite effective against a number of nasties. Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSParallaxinc.com microcontrollers
Hi Jim, Thanks, Vikki for the source for you microcontroller. Parallaxinc.com Glad to help! Check out the Motor Mind B. It would seem to be just what the doctor ordered for controlling dc made cs, as long as someone doesn't mind needing a computer to make cs. :-) it is on my list :-). I don't mind the computer, it seems to me that not using one makes for a LOT of discrete components :-). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSBad tasting CS, can it be mixed with...
Hi Charles, The person I am making CS for thinks it tastes awful. If anyone else [ ... ] Unless you're trying to get large quantities of strong CS into them, I would think one or two tblsns in 8 oz of water (Duh?) would be reasonable. Or orange juice, or grapefruit juice, or ginger ale. Don't forget, the commercial people are selling it in 2 and 4 oz bottles, expecting you to use eyedropper doses. This stuff is so benign, it is taken by the waterglassful by some, 'cause we can afford it now. Thanks for the info! Yes, at the moment I am interested in getting large doses into her, worse I have not a clue as to what I actually have. The stuff with the good tyndal and a couple mA of current and the stuff with no tyndal with 50 uA both taste strong to me :-). Difference is that I do not find it offensive to the taste, odd perhaps, but not offensive... I've passed this on! Thankks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNew experiment and observations...Comments solicited!
Hello Ivan, Thanks for the response! [ ... ] Silver ions will enter the water at any potential above 0.8 volts. Of course at this voltage (power factor) generation is painfully slow. A good compromise is to use relatively high voltage to overcome the high resistance of DW in the begining stages and then to lower the voltage as the process procedes. Limiting the current does this as you know. Deciding on the current limit value is a compromise between speed of reaction and quality of product. Low current values allow for a clear colloid at high concentrations. The Tyndal effect of well controlled colloids is little, if at all during generation, but does gain in intensity after the power is withdrawn, reaching maximum intensity about 24 hrs later. The concentration may also increase during this time. I keep checking the 5V batch I did last night, still tastes like CS but has NO Tyndal effect *yet*. I've set this batch aside and will keep checking on it. snip Sigh, I get really tempted to just shelve experimentation with [ ... ] taste and Tyndal are just too relative to communicate accuracy. Indeed. But you can work out the starting and finishing resistance of the solution from the results I posted. About 240K dropping to about 20K at 10 ppm. This could be used as a ball park figure (extrapolated to your own set up) for judging ppm or at least a consistant finishing point. One thing I am considering is going to a PWM (pulse width modulation) output from the processor going through a low pass filter into an op amp (gain around 2.5) so I could gradually ramp up the voltage (or down). Just starting to formulate this one :). This would feed voltage to the H-Bridge. I've used this kind of thing for other projects in the past and it works well. Thanks for this, I've been scratching head all day about how to best proceeed at this point. I have a few questions that I might even be able to formuate that might make sense. I've been using an electrode spacing of 2.75, it seems to work. I have read of spacings from 1/8 to 1 and so being used. Does this ultimately make a difference. I'm still confused about this aspect. The wetted length of my electrodes is about 4.5, I keep seeing things that look like they might be an inch or so and some units have three electrodes in them. I am considering cutting down the wetted length to around 2, would that mean that I need to close up the spacing? Is this a good idea when using the 12oz glass with a depth of 4.75 to 5 inches when filled with DW? One of the reasons for the above is that I would like to sample the resistance of the solution while the process goes on. Hookup wire and meter probes being stuck in the solution seems like a bad idea (goddess only knows what metal content they consist of). This would give me silver wires to use for resistance probes. Many questions! any ideas or suggestions appreciated! BTW: one thing I noticed about the electrodes on the last batch I did after going back to the 27V with polarity reversing is that the electrodes were MUCH cleaner. Instead of one electrode being black and the other the dusty grey both were a slightly darker dusty grey with much less of a build up on either. The other thought I am having is trying to determine what it would take to build a TDS meter, currently meditating on this. The parts wouldn't be that expensive (might even have most of them), but then you get into calibration :-). Something reasonably easy to build and reasonably accurate might go a long way to resolving a lot of my questions :-). Hope this made sense :-). Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSwhere to get CS??
Hello Sarah, A couple of more questions.someone told me that the CS that you make yourself was not any good. Now, abviously there is quite a question there because everyone on this list seems to make their own. The stuff I am making is as good as what I was shelling out large quantites of cash for :-). Truthfully I do not know what the PPM value is, but it tastes like the commericial stuff to me :-). I am not at all familiar with the process involved in making CS, so please excuse my ignorance. grin we all started here, not a problem! There are many patient and helpful people with experience here who are glad to share. But is it possible to make it incorrectly? I am sure that there is a way to make it incorrectly, but if I pay attention to (in my case) the time and current flow, the CS seems to be consistant (taste wise - I don't have a way to meter it accurately yet). Once I got distracted and left it run overnight, it was pretty obvious from looking at the glass, that was the only stuff I have thrown out so far. I'll leave someone else to comment about this in detail. As I understand there is a machine that you can buy to make CS for about $50, is that correct? Yes, there seems to be quite a range of price for these, many ways to do it and many claims to each method. I'm still undecided as to what is ultimately the best method, but people seem to be using the most basic LVDC (Low Voltage Direct Current) method with great success. Someone had mentioned making your own machine??? How is that done and where would one get the materials and (ingredient) to make the CS? For the LVDC method, it is pretty easy, three 9V batteries and a couple of alligator clips and two pieces of .999 fine or better silver wire and you are off to the races :-). This is what I first built and it worked fine. 9V batteries aren't cheap, so I have upgraded to a power supply that plugs in the wall. I am still questing to find the best way to do it and about to try LVAC (?) Low Voltage Alternating Current - using solid state parts - with an H-Bridge and a small (very!) computer. Apparently many ways to go here and to be honest, I am too new to this to know if it is actually *really* necessary to go beyond the basics, but I also like to tinker :-) :-). Mostly what I want is something that I can set time on and eventually *maybe* correlate that to a given PPM and then turn off. This is my big problem at the moment, I have other things happening and I forget it and end up with pretty strong stuff - not bad, just not consumable, but good for topical applications with the exception of the one I left running all night (overnight). Most of the parts can be found almost anywhere. The one critical element, of course, is the .999 fine or better silver electrodes. I am using .040 wire that I got from a jewelry supply store, but there is someone here on the list who has some and will (has?) parted with it for cost. For whatever it may be worth, it seems to me that what I am making for fractions of a cent (at very least a gallon so far) is every bit as good as the stuff I paid $40 for a tiny bottle of. Thank you for your time and patience Hope this helps! As has been given to me by the list members (information and encouragement) so I try to return the same when I can :-)! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHow to clean silver ingots?
tosca...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Hello list, I have been making my own CS for about two years (thanks to Marsha for getting me silver and introducing me to the list) and have been reading this list for about a year. Well I finally had my silver tested by a friend and it seems I am making in the neighborhood of 2ppm at best. I always run my CS generator for 15 minutes at a time. I know I may not be running it long enough, but it is also clearly time to clean my silver ingots. How can this be done safely? I am afraid commercial cleaners will add unwanted contaminants to my CS solution. I also believe the conductivity has been getting very low due to tarnish. I am using .040 silver wire for my generator. After each batch (about 10-11oz) I remove the wires and wipe them down with a clean paper towel. I check current with a meter throughout the process(es) and my times to a given current level are very consistant, the only variation seems to be temperature, which I have not tracked, but would guess this was the factor. I have also heard that one of the plastic scrubbie sponges (WELL washed out and used for nothing else) recommended. I've tried that, but seem to have better luck with the paper towels. I suppose that if the silver is really cruddy and pitted, you could file the ingot down. I've just started the first batch using a VERY slow LV AC - switching the polarity on the electrodes, I'm not completely sure what this is going to buy me yet, if nothing else maybe a better distribution of stuff on the electrodes. I have, to date, gotten one electrode that is BLACK and the other a fluffy grey. Will know more as time progresses, as noted this is the first time I am not using conventional plain ole LVDC :-). Hope this helps. Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSherx?
Hi Janine, What is a herx?? I made my gen 1.5 hrs. ago and now my solution is grayish with small particles of dark gray matter on the bottom of glass. What does this mean? I am using silver coins until I can get some wires. By the way what bad side effects can I expect? I have a very sensitive stomach so I am a bit nervous. thanks. Understand your nervousness, I'm pretty new to the CS thing also. I am not sure that this is going to be helpful, but :-), I'll try here. Real silver coins haven't been made in the USA (for money) in quite some time, so be sure your coins are real silver and not some alloy. If you look at the side of the coin and see a coppery or brassy looking stripe going around the coin as an apparent layer of the coin then please *stop* and wait until someone with more experience than I have here can give you better information. If you are reasonably certain that the coin is indeed .999 or better silver, this sounds like what has happened to me when I let the process run too long, I get a black powdery looking smudge around one electrode on the bottom of the glass and the electrode has a black coating that will come off when I wipe it clean (I am using .040 silver wire) and a light greyish deposit on the other electrode that seems to come off pretty easy when I remove that electrode and float around until it sinks to the bottom of the glass. I've been told that this stuff is OK for topical uses. Perhaps someone with more experience with this will answer shortly. Hope this helps in some way :-). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSPredictable CS, debunking. Newbie response.
Charles King wrote: On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:17:40 -0700, Victoria Welch vi...@oz.net wrote: [ ... ] You're a success girl!!! Good news, Good News :). You seem to have a problem with that!! No, no problem other than inexperience. Seems too simple :-). Still have no idea just what I have, but I do have something ;-). For crying out loud go spray some in your fridge. Find somethin' mouldy and kill it! Try it out! *ME* *HAVE SOMETHING MOULDY IN MY FRIDGE?* Gasp! :-). Will give it shot when I discover something like that. I take a shotglass full daily as a maintenance dose. My sister takes a 8 oz glassfull.] Beginning trying this. This *IS* the Public Relations Department. Got a problem with that? Just as long as it isn't a marketing department, those scare me :-). Thanks for the encouragement! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSNewbie comments - second batch - Ding! Good news methinketh :)
Hi All, Since I have been blatering on about this and busily being confused and wondering if I got anything useful, I thought I would share this. The second batch ran over since I wasn't paying proper attention to it and ended up with a current flow of 2.81 ma. After it sat for a while (and was stirred with some wooden chopsticks :) the laser showed an obvious good line through the solution (not *strong* but certainly easily visible) and visible particles (*very* small. but obviously particles compared to the red line tracing through it (more of a cloud, meaning, I guess smaller particles)). I did some commercial CS a long time ago and had pretty much forgotten about it until I took a slug of the new batch and *ding* I immediately recognized the taste. By Jove, I think she has something here :-). Appreciate everyones help in getting going and especially the encouragement! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSPredictable CS (Current measurement, Knocking AMA, etc.)
Hi James, Understand. That starts approaching plasma, touchy stuff :-). ---V. Can you elaborate on plasma , or give me a reference that I may look at in detail---JOH Well, it isn't exactly plasma, but it sure flows differently than LV electricity :-) and has always tried (and occasionally succeded :) to flow into me at its earliest convience. Having been knocked on me arse a few times (and been lucky) I tend to be, perhaps, overly cautious about high voltages :-). I have no idea where the breakpoint actually is :-(. Fluke says to not use their usual clamp transformer because the clamp is not rated for that voltage. Hummm, one would think that they would be the folks that would have one :-(. The generator lead wires are rated for 20KV DC, so I don't think the current will arc into the transformer coil, but I don't know about harmonics. On my list: find a HV clamp that does not cost a fortune. I forgot to mention, but you probably assumed that I was using 60 Hz. I am tempted to try it anyway, but not hooked up to my Fluke 87, at least not for a first try. I would rather cook an el-cheapo Radio Shack meter than the Fluke. Certainly :-)! I always liked what the techs used to say If you have a good meter, it's a Fluke :-). I would probably attach it before I turned on the juice and step away onto a well insulated surface where I could read the meter. If you look at the past year or so of list traffic you will see a lot of issues regarding HVAC methods vs. LVDC. It is still unresolved, and everyone holds their own position aggressively. [ ... ] I see I have much to learn here :-). MUCH! Is this list archived somewhere? The smaller particulate size makes sense in getting into / in contact with the bad guys. The more the merrier one would think :-). The problem with studying all this is that electron microscope time is very expensive for the semi-pro researcher. So are culture studies. Even though the setup to do cultures is relatively minimal, it still takes a lot of time and money if your do not have deep pockets and have a day-job. The spectrum of opinion about particle size is very broad. Very little is supported by solid compelling evidence, on either side of the controversy All in time I guess, the hardest part is getting the data and correlating it. This is why I am so interested in having some clue as to what I have. After today I am pretty convenced that it is pretty easy to make a useful solution, but beyond being useful (certainly the important part) it is hard to tell someone the facts, if you will. One researcher and manufacturer of HVAC machines and sol, Bruce Marx, tells me that he has looked at a lot of LVDC silver with a TEM. I don't think the studies were large or formal. His findings are summarized: ...golf ballsOthers claim otherwise. Especially those who make and sell LVDC equipment and product. There are probably lots of variants. There is also strong difference of opinion of the benefit of big or little, only with this subject, some say 'little is better. It is obvious that most sols, starting with those made with the most simple equipment are dramatically effective against a broad spectrum of pathogens, regardless of what may eventually turn out to be best. And, it is obvious by sol color that LVDC is capable of producing very-fine-particle silver. I just wish one of those guys making big bucks with LVDC would send in a sample and publish the results. Wonder why they have not? It could only help sell the product and lend creditibility to CS / alternative medicine. For controlling start water temp. I think a fish tank heater might do the trick. Long ago, I used to use them to grow Stropharia Cubensis, but I do not know if the differential is small enough for silver, because I don't know how critical start water temp is to the entire process. I think this stuff has a lot of strange attractors In the HVAC process, enough heat is generated to heat the water up to about 110 F. from 75 to 80 at start. This makes me think of a tempered bath (heating and cooling) , to optimize particle size uniformity. More of those funny green things needed to do that, for sure. I don't know, until I get some equipment for recording these parameters with some degree of accuracy and developing some consistancy of dosage I have no way to even begin. Just too many unknowns outside of the fact that CS seems to work :). Thanks for your input and I look forward to continuing these discussions and sharing of research as time goes on! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join
Re: CSNewbie comments - second batch (and third now) - Ding! Good news methinketh :)
Hi Trem, Thanks for the response! I suspect the particles you saw are what are known as *sparklers* to people on the list. That is, they are the larger particles and the line you saw was the beam reflecting off the smaller particles. What we are striving for is uniform small particles. I think you ended up with too much current flow. My experience indicates less current flow results in smaller particles. Perhaps you can reduce the voltage on a batch as the current starts to rise and maintain a lower milliampere reading. Than shine your laser through the dispersion and see if the larger particles are present. I suspect they won't be there if you run low enough current levels. You should be seeing a uniform beam of laser light. More adjustments to the procedure to follow :). The sparklers are not HUGE, but they are noticible in the lasers beam. They are, I think, more common rather than just occasional. I'll try to limit the current flow to 2.5 ma in the next batch and see how that works. I need to do the 2 ma run again as I didn't seem to notice the CS taste in that batch, just to verify. Not sure what happened last night but this batch was weird from the start (although it seems fine taste wise and laser test wise (see note on sparklers above)). I've taken to measuring the resistance of the solution through the electrodes and (I know, not enough batches for a baseline yet) have been getting around 850 Ohms to start (ending around 250 Ohms). The batch last night started at 1.3 MegOhms. Instead of the (roughly) hour the previous batches took, this one took over three (3) hours to get to the 2.51 ma current rate. I have no idea what this is all about yet. Same size glass, same electrodes and spacing (2.75), distilled water from the same container I have been using. I wipe the electrodes with a paper towel until they no longer leave black marks after every batch and I am reasonably certain I did so with this batch (the electrode color (silver or black) *is* pretty obvious :). Gee, this is fun :)! One question for those using the laser to determine concentration. I'm too new to answer this one now. Is the density of the beam through the solution something that can be eyeballed to use as a reasonable indicator of consistancy? I don't think so, ultimately, but just wondering what others experience with this might be. Perhaps shining it (or a LED or normal bulb) through the solution onto either a phototransistor or photoresistor? Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNewbie comments - second batch (and third now) - Ding! Good news methinketh :)
Charles King wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:39:51 -0700, Victoria Welch vi...@oz.net wrote: Perhaps shining it (or a LED or normal bulb) through the solution onto either a phototransistor or photoresistor? Clever idea, but alas, would need lots of charting, and would of course be specific to your setup. I think you've caught the Bob syndrome No, tyndall means practically nothing except that something happened to your water that wasn't there before. More of an assurance than a degree of saturation. For nitpicking, sparkles are bad (not bad, just worse, still useable stuff. Grey+black is bad.) If you want progress though, work at the 1ma level. You should be able to increase your time by days without sparkles. You do know that you've got good CS, and that you're having fun with it now? I dunno, you are probably right. I am probably getting carried away :-). I guess that I am *assuming* (we all know how that works :) that dosage is perhaps too important in this matter, not like it was some nasty chemical where fatal dosage is something with a very narrow band. Still seems that being unable to communicate this with accuracy presents other potential problems when asked about it. I just try to be careful and responsible :-). I'll sit back and experiment and listen and perhaps gain some wisdom in the matter. I think you've found your useful upper limit at 2.5ma. Thanks much, I'll be experimenting further, fortunately that is pretty easy to do :-). _Limit congress members to two terms--one in congress, one in jail I like it :) and would like it more if it didn't seem appropiate to me :-). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSFirst batch, procedures and results, comments please!
Charles King wrote: Thanks much for the response! I made the first batch of CS today, I think. I am including the following for your comments. Thanks much. Personally, I think I'd run the time up 'till I saw 2 ma. Probly about 45 min to an hour. I just re-started the experiment and am checking it at 10 minute intervals. Just so you know the size of the ballpark, why don't you make some bad CS ? Use tap water, the run will be only about 5 min max. Use distilled water with a tiny pinch of salt. Use distilled water and run it for a couple of hours. You'll get a good feel for what you're trying to avoid. BTW, all of these runs will give you stuff good for household uses. Appreciate the pointers here, I am a little leary about the making medicine thing when I don't know what I am doing. Yet :-). I've avoided the salt since I am not trying to make silver chloride :-), athought I have seen various schools of thought that say this is OK for a short time. I try these over the next day or two to see what happens. Some additional instrumentation is something I can see in the very near future. One question, what would you consider household uses ? Nothing says quality like wrinkle free duct tape I love it :-), I'm also a fan of Red Green :-). Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSFirst batch, procedures and results, comments please!
Hi Pam, Pam Whitmire wrote: All I can say is Holy Moses! Talk about organized and intelligent. My first batch was made more along the lines of Oh please work, oh please work :-) :-), the only thing I did different than you grin was to make copious notes while (mentally) chanting the same thing :-). At least I hope to have some idea of where I went wrong (or right :). Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSPredictable CS, debunking. Newbie response.
- three years now?) plans out there as well as any directions have severely decreased. I don't know for sure if they actually have or it is just that the search engines are getting progressively less effective in finding them. Another possibility that occured to me is that this whole area could just be lawyer food and people are not really willing to invoke that problem (in the USA anyway). But I have digressed from the point I was trying to make. It seems to *me* that if CS is actually effective for as long as it has been around, the information available on it would be more cohesive. I see this as a medicine ultimately and as such there should be some guidelines at this point in time to guide dosage for various things. If nothing more than: This is how I did it and these are the results I obtained (your milage may vary). I realize that there are variations in the process and not everyone can afford a sophisticated analysis lab, but there should seem to be some information, as in a FAQ, that would guide rank newbies. Exposure to my government, the AMA and the FDA makes me *personally* a little leary of accepting things on blind faith. Again, freely admitting that I *am a rank newbie* to this and most likely do not know a lot of things, specifically including where to find information on the subject. If I had the time and resources personally I am sure I could track down books long ago published on the subject and find something, but it would suprise me if, at this late date with CS, that this already has not been done by someone. Please enlighten me! Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSPredictable CS
bober...@swbell.net wrote: Hi Ya'All, It's pot stirring time again. The day of predictable CS is here!! Ah, addressing an issue I am still trying to understand! After dozens of tests with the polarity switching scheme, if one knows the initial current at the beginning of the brew operation, then the cell current will follow a predictable curve and so will the PPM. Can you elaborate? Formula or charts? I'm new to this, so pardon if the question is ignorant, but doesn't the the surface area of the electrode in solution figure in? I would guess that the emitted silver for any surface area could be normalized though (surface area * current or something like this?). I am ordering a few parts tomorrow to build the prototype, and everything you need to build it will be detailed by the end of next week. It will use a 555 timer and a new very low current DPDT relay. The timer and relay will be driven by 4 batteries of your choice AA, C, or D; two diode, four resistors, one electrolytic cap., a circuit board, plus several small connectors and battery box. You can package it anyway you want. I am assuming that the relay is for alternating the polarity to the electrodes here (other than evening out the wear on the electrodes, is there a point to this?). An H Bridge might be more efficient and less succeptable to fail over time than a mechanical relay?! This will put a stop to all of the questions as to why my CS turns color, and what is my ppm. You really have to screw-upto get yellow. Again, I'm pretty new to this, is there a FAQ somewhere that might explain why ending up with the yellow color is not a good thing? While I am still a long way from finalizing the design :-). I'm thinking about a microcontroler that would deal with temperature of solution (this seems like an important value in the equation) and control of time, voltage (maybe) and current. Even with all I have read on this to date, I don't see how one gets any degree of consistancy with the methods and equipment that I've seen recommended / being used. Granted, again, I am new to this. I do have some experience with industrial process control and maybe I am trying to make this more difficult than it need be, but I have a hearty respect for making medicine that I am going to put into either myself or someone I care about :-). I've seen the abandon with which the conventional medicine establishment seems to dispense meds and the results :-(. Paranoid? I'm not sure yet :-), further research is required :-). Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSMultiple-Sclerosis and CS - Useful? Comments please!
Hi All and thanks in advance, I just recently joined the list and asked this question in a place that it might not have been noticed (at any rate, no responses yet :-). I have a friend with MS (secondary progressive type) who isn't getting any better :-(. I've talked her into trying CS and have offered to make it for her (I have a lot of questions about the manufacturing of it, but am *assuming* (OUCH!) that the basic helpful stuff is easy enough to make even though I have concerns about, specifically, consistancy of dosage (and useful dosage in this case) for tracking purposes. I have the electronics background and all the stuff necessary to make quite a bit (silver wire is .999 fine (NOT sterling) from a jewelry supply house.) But all that aside, I am interested in knowing if there are any folks here on this list that either have or know someone using CS that have MS (any of the forms) and what their experiences are, good or bad. Thanks very much and take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSPredictable CS
Hi James, Welcome to our little zoo. Thank you! Nice to be here. Your comments are well taken. I control my starting water temperature with a manual water bath, and intend to set up something to control it automatically. Just did my first batch :-). If I was making a lot of this, I would probably choose a fishtank heater as a low cost and reasonably effective method. There are so many variables, and that is an easy one to eliminate. I have not read it yet, but somewhere in my bookmarks is a commentary about the effect of the phase of the moon on CS processes. Perhaps I should also consider my state-of- mind when I am making a batch.. Always your state of mind :-). I found something on the phase of moon thing while researching this: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: http://www.ioa.com/~dragonfly/silvermf.html How to make a colloidal silver solution: Do this any time other than the week surrounding the new moon (when the moon is overhead at noon) if you want to be successful. Also, The best time to make colloidal silver is during what is called 'the solunar period.' There are two solunar periods each day. They begin approximately 6 hours after either moon-rise or moon-set, and last for about 90 minutes. Since moon rise/set times change every day, you will have to figure out when these times are for your local area. Many metropolitan newspapers publish this moon rise/set times daily. [ ... ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I did not consider this for todays experiment, but, as I recall, there is a program on my server here (POM) that will tell me this. I'll add this into the equation once I get comfortable with the manufacturing process. I would like to recommend a book. It is a bit dated, but it will probably push you over the edge re: The Medical Establishment. It is a history of the AMA and more. The AMA was started by a man who made patent medicine. He paid a group of Docs to endorse his products and stridently decry others---until they joined the AMA. Then, their stuff was 'just fine. Sound familiar? Murder by Injection; The Story of the Medical Conspiracy Against America [ ... ] This is something I need no convincing on. I grew up around the conventional medical profession and while there is much good they do, there is more (IMO) harm that they do. Arrogance and ignorance of methods that worked for centuries bother me when it comes to my health. Far too many doctors set themselves up as gods, which is a problem that would resolve itself were they also accountable as such. I have seen people treated barbarically and with the intent of keeping them coming back. IMO some of this was criminal, but the AMA force has become too powerful, both financially and politically to challenge directly (and unlikely even if you are right). Ignorance of the general populace keeps them there :-(. Far too many people have gone into medicine not for a desire to become a healer (directly) but moreso because there is good money in the medical profession. I strongly suspect that a majority of the medical problems that people suffer in this day and time is nutritional. NPK will not save us, but it sure as hell keeps the medical profession quite financially solvent along with those taxing their income. I have studied nutrition for a number of years now and am very frightened by what I have discovered concerning our food supply. One of the finest diagnostic tools I have found for the ills that are present in our world is that of the money flow diagram, amazing how much sense that makes when used to make sense out of things that make no sense. But I suspect that none of this is news to this group :-). A question somewhat related to process control: can you recommend a type of, and/or source-of a milliampmeter---0 to about 3 mA range--- which will read a 10KV line inductively? I don't want to cut the lead if I can avoid it, because the thing is very sensitive to even trivial changes in the physical circuit. Understand. That starts approaching plasma, touchy stuff :-). I would say look into a clamp on probe that will interface to a VOM/DVM. There are several sources out on the net for this. Try the Fluke site and a general search on clamp on current probe. Probably won't be cheap, especially in the 10KV range. Are you using 10KV for CS? I would be interested as to why? ~= 30V seems to be pretty common and recommended. I've got some questions on my first batch, but I'll post that seperately. Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver
CSFirst batch, procedures and results, comments please!
Hi All and thanks in advance, I made the first batch of CS today, I think. I am including the following for your comments. Thanks much. Tuesday, August 17, 1999 1735 PST. 12 oz water glass, rinsed with distilled water and filled to aproximately the 10 oz point (see dimensions below) with distilled water. NOT to scale +--+ -- | | 5/8 +--+ Water level-- 6 | |5-3/8 | Glass | | | | | +--+--- Diameter of glass: aprox 2-1/2 at top flaring to 2-3/4 and then tapering to 2-1/2 at bottom Probes are duplicate length of .40 diameter .999 fine silver wire. Probes run entirely to the bottom of the container within 1/8. Probes run down the sides of the glass giving a spacing of aproximately 2-1/2. Power supply reads 26.4V (fully across a +/- 12V logic power supply) throughout process. The positive terminal was run through a LED and an DVM set to the 2 ma range. Negative terminal connected directly to the other probe. LED lit dimly throughout the process and no visually obvious change in brightness was noted. Ran process for 20 minutes. According to what I have been able to find, this should, in theory, result in 20 PPM (1PPM/minute). The following is the current flow recorded at start and in one minute intervals thereafter: TimeCurrent (ma) 0 0.27 (270 microamps) 1 0.31 2 0.31 3 0.32 4 0.33 5 0.34 6 0.34 7 0.35 8 0.35 9 0.36 10 0.37 11 0.37 12 0.38 13 0.38 14 0.39 15 0.40 16 0.40 17 0.41 18 0.43 19 0.44 20 0.44 Observations: Greyish strands appeared around the negative electrode farily early on in the process. at least one visible strand ran between the probes. Probes remained clean with the exception of a VERY light (blackish) oxide which showed up when they were cleaned when removed. After letting stand for an hour, no yellow color was noted. Greyish strands are not longer visible. If there is any change in color, it may be that the water now appears very very slightly milky, but otherwise it appears unchanged (or I suspect it just doesn't look any different that I can tell with any degree of certainty). White printer paper (typwriter paper) was placed behing the glass and still was unable to note any color change. Light used for observations were a krypton bulb 3V mini Mag light and a visible red laser. Laser reflected off the strands while current was applied, but shows nothing after it set for a while. One black particle (smaller than 0.5mm pencil point) in bottom of glass, not sure if it was there in the beginning or not. No difference in smell from original was noted. Not positive, but finished CS (?) may have aslightly metalic taste, but again, not positive. Any ideas, or comments appreciated! Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSHello from a new member.
Greetings all, I have a friend with multiple-sclerosis(sp?) that isn't getting better :-(. I tried to talk her into the CS thing a while back without luck. Recently she has indicated a willingness to try it. If there is anyone on this list that has MS and had any effects good or bad? I would appreciate knowing. Thanks in advance. I spent the night combing the net and found an email thread that referenced me to this list. I am pretty handy with a soldering iron (and microcontrollers) and was lucky enough to find some directions for building a simple generator tonight. I looked this up a few years ago and the information seems to have gotten slim but there are a wealth of people selling these now. Appreciated finding the plans since nether she nor I are rolling in the $$$ (I'm not working at the moment). Along with the plans, I also found instructions on calibrating the PPM value based on time and some visual cues and can hopefully adjust based on that to start with. Since my friend does have MS (secondary-progressive) I want to start out around 5-8 PPM so the initial kill-off of bugs of various forms does not overwhelm her. I figure that I can work up some kind of timer (mechanical or microcontroller) once I get some idea of what PPM value I am getting in the interest of consistancy (I assume that is important). I have also considered something like a fish tank heater to be able to work at a known temperature, but again, I am not sure just how critical all this is. What information I did find seems to favor the 27 volt approach. I've also seen reports of people using 6KV to do it. Is there some advantage to the higer voltage other than perhaps a smaller particulate size? Does it actually matter? A 27V power supply or batteries is a lot cheaper than a 6KV power supply (and I think safer around someone with severe coordination problems). Any comments or suggestions are very much appreciated. Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
