RE: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please/2nd opinion?

[Neville Munn]

ROFPML...
You're a riot Dok.
Can't vent too much gas here, get kicked up backside, means I'd have to type 
standing up, end up dragging knuckles on the ground when I walk .
Oh, almost fergot, I CAN decant, just WON'T, cos I never have a need to, and if 
I ever did find the need I'd be looking at changing things .
N.

Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:38:09 -0700
From: dokdal...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please/2nd opinion?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Hi Neville,
Well by now, both you and Bernadette, should have received  emails, 
with (4) pix showing set-upfor DIY air-filter/(scrubber) using extra quart-jar, 
holding water into which (raw/dirty) air, from
 a fish-tank pump, gets washed-clean of excess dirt, smoke, mold-spores, (even 
puff of Kangaroo Gas) if needed?
Unlike Saint Mike, I'm not SAINT...don't need to Preach-to-World!  No prayers 
needed...at CSI~Group?[FYI: I really do feel sorry for problems he is having in 
CELL, but I will soon post-info on Doks DIY~SIP]
On-Call,Dok [;D   <~ notice I'm wearing doktor mask, so ya can't see ME 
Grinning (Ear-to-Ear) under face mask!
P.S. Mr. Redfox...ya may be wise and frugal saving mistakes down under,  but 
ol' Dok CAN still Decant...
Great preserving EIS Brewing errors from World Down-Under, but in Heaven, 
Angles water Garden~LoL Sorry, Neville...just don't have time to let you 
'Tie-me-Kangaroo-Down" right~now...cheer leaders waiting,
but after reading  email... let me know if interested in-offer, to 
feature pix...of your DIY package?
CSI-Group will only offer members D-I-Y Information & Pictures...so everyone 
still vents Gas right here~
  From: Neville Munn 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:50 PM
 Subject:
 RE: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please/2nd opinion?
   





It's not about money or "low budget learning" Dok , it's about why throw 
something away when it's totally unnecessary to do so.That strong solution 
could come in very handy one day, ideal in fact for open wounds on animals as 
an example, or humans.
I was gunna toss out my batch that turned tea or dark amber coloured a few 
years ago cos I suspected lead contamination was pulled from the crystal brew 
vessel I used - but I didn't throw it out, and I've still got some left, and 
I've administered small amounts on occasion for self and family member use, and 
will do it again when/if the need arises.  That's why I suggested using it 
sparingly.  The glass storage vessel has severe plate out, but I won't toss it 
out.
N.


> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:18:23 -0700
> From: dokdal...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please/2nd opinion?
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Bernadette,
> 
> What you ultimately end-up doing with it is entirely your choice, but after 
> scanning few other replies,
> personally...I would NOT agree, to save 'improperly' brewed EIS batch, 
> measuring EOB of 60+ ppm?
> Clearly things did not workout exactly as you had expected, but beware extra 
> ppm...is NOT Silver..!
> 
> Others, have already eluded...using (raw-air) bubbler for stirring, over 
> extended period, may
 result in
> either nitrogen gas, or carbon dioxide (from air) altering EIS background pH
 (acid/alkali)...not good?
> Since you brew it yourself, the actual DIY cost of materials (Gallon of DW + 
> Silver wire) is very Low 
> and IMO, it's well within (pragmatic/write-it-off) budget as part of low-cost 
> learning...What-Not-to-Do!
> While it most likely will not INJURE you, or your animals...why not just use 
> it, for watering garden~ 
> 
> If you intend to use (raw air) bubbler...might suggest adding cheap DIY 
> prefilter/(air-scrubber) stage,
> for trapping dust, mold-spores, smoke, etc. from dirty air...before pumping 
> it thru DW, in Brew Cell?
> Email if you need picture, but it's just extra Mason Jar, with (2) air-lines 
> inserted thru lid and sealed
> to force (raw/dirty) air from pump...through water bath in filter jar before 
> 2nd air-line...into EIS CELL.
> In theory, bubbling (raw/room) air through first water-bath/scrubber jar, 
> helps absorb unwanted gas?
> 
> 2nd Opinion,
>
 DOK Dallas  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bernadette 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please
> 
> 

  


  

Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please/2nd opinion?

[Dok Dallas]

Hi Neville,


Well by now, both you and Bernadette, should have received  emails, 
with (4) pix showing set-up
for DIY air-filter/(scrubber) using extra quart-jar, holding water into which 
(raw/dirty) air, from a fish-tank
pump, gets washed-clean of excess dirt, smoke, mold-spores, (even puff of 
Kangaroo Gas) if needed?

Unlike Saint Mike, I'm not SAINT...don't need to Preach-to-World!  No prayers 
needed...at CSI~Group?
[FYI: I really do feel sorry for problems he is having in CELL, but I will soon 
post-info on Doks DIY~SIP]

On-Call,
Dok [;D   <~ notice I'm wearing doktor mask, so ya can't see ME Grinning 
(Ear-to-Ear) under face mask!

P.S. Mr. Redfox...ya may be wise and frugal saving mistakes down under,  but 
ol' Dok CAN still Decant...
Great preserving EIS Brewing errors from World Down-Under, but in Heaven, 
Angles water Garden~LoL
 
Sorry, Neville...just don't have time to let you 'Tie-me-Kangaroo-Down" 
right~now...cheer leaders waiting,
but after reading  email... let me know if interested in-offer, to 
feature pix...of your DIY package?
CSI-Group will only offer members D-I-Y Information & Pictures...so everyone 
still vents Gas right here~
    



 From: Neville Munn 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: RE: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please/2nd opinion?
 

 
It's not about money or "low budget learning" Dok , it's about why throw 
something away when it's totally unnecessary to do so.
That strong solution could come in very handy one day, ideal in fact for open 
wounds on animals as an example, or humans.

I was gunna toss out my batch that turned tea or dark amber coloured a few 
years ago cos I suspected lead contamination was pulled from the crystal brew 
vessel I used - but I didn't throw it out, and I've still got some left, and 
I've administered small amounts on occasion for self and family member use, and 
will do it again when/if the need arises.  That's why I suggested using it 
sparingly.  The glass storage vessel has severe plate out, but I won't toss it 
out.

N.




> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:18:23 -0700
> From: dokdal...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please/2nd opinion?
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Bernadette,
> 
> What you ultimately end-up doing with it is entirely your choice, but after 
> scanning few other replies,
> personally...I would NOT agree, to save 'improperly' brewed EIS batch, 
> measuring EOB of 60+ ppm?
> Clearly things did not workout exactly as you had expected, but beware extra 
> ppm...is NOT Silver..!
> 
> Others, have already eluded...using (raw-air) bubbler for stirring, over 
> extended period, may result in
> either nitrogen gas, or carbon dioxide (from air) altering EIS background pH
 (acid/alkali)...not good?
> Since you brew it yourself, the actual DIY cost of materials (Gallon of DW + 
> Silver wire) is very Low 
> and IMO, it's well within (pragmatic/write-it-off) budget as part of low-cost 
> learning...What-Not-to-Do!
> While it most likely will not INJURE you, or your animals...why not just use 
> it, for watering garden~ 
> 
> If you intend to use (raw air) bubbler...might suggest adding cheap DIY 
> prefilter/(air-scrubber) stage,
> for trapping dust, mold-spores, smoke, etc. from dirty air...before pumping 
> it thru DW, in Brew Cell?
> Email if you need picture, but it's just extra Mason Jar, with (2) air-lines 
> inserted thru lid and sealed
> to force (raw/dirty) air from pump...through water bath in filter jar before 
> 2nd air-line...into EIS CELL.
> In theory, bubbling (raw/room) air through first water-bath/scrubber jar, 
> helps absorb unwanted gas?
> 
> 2nd Opinion,
>
 DOK Dallas      
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bernadette 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please
> 
> 

RE: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please/2nd opinion?

[Neville Munn]

It's not about money or "low budget learning" Dok , it's about why throw 
something away when it's totally unnecessary to do so.That strong solution 
could come in very handy one day, ideal in fact for open wounds on animals as 
an example, or humans.
I was gunna toss out my batch that turned tea or dark amber coloured a few 
years ago cos I suspected lead contamination was pulled from the crystal brew 
vessel I used - but I didn't throw it out, and I've still got some left, and 
I've administered small amounts on occasion for self and family member use, and 
will do it again when/if the need arises.  That's why I suggested using it 
sparingly.  The glass storage vessel has severe plate out, but I won't toss it 
out.
N.


> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:18:23 -0700
> From: dokdal...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please/2nd opinion?
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Bernadette,
> 
> What you ultimately end-up doing with it is entirely your choice, but after 
> scanning few other replies,
> personally...I would NOT agree, to save 'improperly' brewed EIS batch, 
> measuring EOB of 60+ ppm?
> Clearly things did not workout exactly as you had expected, but beware extra 
> ppm...is NOT Silver..!
> 
> Others, have already eluded...using (raw-air) bubbler for stirring, over 
> extended period, may result in
> either nitrogen gas, or carbon dioxide (from air) altering EIS background pH 
> (acid/alkali)...not good?
> Since you brew it yourself, the actual DIY cost of materials (Gallon of DW + 
> Silver wire) is very Low 
> and IMO, it's well within (pragmatic/write-it-off) budget as part of low-cost 
> learning...What-Not-to-Do!
> While it most likely will not INJURE you, or your animals...why not just use 
> it, for watering garden~ 
> 
> If you intend to use (raw air) bubbler...might suggest adding cheap DIY 
> prefilter/(air-scrubber) stage,
> for trapping dust, mold-spores, smoke, etc. from dirty air...before pumping 
> it thru DW, in Brew Cell?
> Email if you need picture, but it's just extra Mason Jar, with (2) air-lines 
> inserted thru lid and sealed
> to force (raw/dirty) air from pump...through water bath in filter jar before 
> 2nd air-line...into EIS CELL.
> In theory, bubbling (raw/room) air through first water-bath/scrubber jar, 
> helps absorb unwanted gas?
> 
> 2nd Opinion,
> DOK Dallas  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bernadette 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please
> 
> 

  

Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please/2nd opinion?

[Dok Dallas]

Hello Bernadette,

What you ultimately end-up doing with it is entirely your choice, but after 
scanning few other replies,
personally...I would NOT agree, to save 'improperly' brewed EIS batch, 
measuring EOB of 60+ ppm?
Clearly things did not workout exactly as you had expected, but beware extra 
ppm...is NOT Silver..!

Others, have already eluded...using (raw-air) bubbler for stirring, over 
extended period, may result in
either nitrogen gas, or carbon dioxide (from air) altering EIS background pH 
(acid/alkali)...not good?
Since you brew it yourself, the actual DIY cost of materials (Gallon of DW + 
Silver wire) is very Low 
and IMO, it's well within (pragmatic/write-it-off) budget as part of low-cost 
learning...What-Not-to-Do!
While it most likely will not INJURE you, or your animals...why not just use 
it, for watering garden~ 

If you intend to use (raw air) bubbler...might suggest adding cheap DIY 
prefilter/(air-scrubber) stage,
for trapping dust, mold-spores, smoke, etc. from dirty air...before pumping it 
thru DW, in Brew Cell?
Email if you need picture, but it's just extra Mason Jar, with (2) air-lines 
inserted thru lid and sealed
to force (raw/dirty) air from pump...through water bath in filter jar before 
2nd air-line...into EIS CELL.
In theory, bubbling (raw/room) air through first water-bath/scrubber jar, helps 
absorb unwanted gas?

2nd Opinion,
DOK Dallas      



From: Bernadette 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please



Thanks all - I decanted the strong 61.1 CS this 
morning - i gargled with it last night - straight - Wow!!! strong - but I 
thought wound application would be a good thing.  As long as everyone 
agrees that I should keep it - I will.  I started brewing another batch 
this morning and will keep close eye on it this time.  I also think I will 
begin putting it in the animals water - well diluted.  

Thank you all for you helpful hints.

B.
- Original Message - 
>From: Jane MacRoss 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:50 PM
>Subject: Neville / Re: CS>A question,  please
>
>
>Just wondering Neville - is  there no way to reduce the concentration of this?
> 
>Jane
>From: Neville  Munn 
>>
>>
>>I wouldn't throw it away.  Praps leave it in storage for a  while, then 
>>decant leaving any and all settlement behind. 
>>
>>
>>Will be ideal for open wounds and/or a throat/tonsil gargle.  You  will still 
>>be absorbing some sublingually anyway when you gargle.
>>
>>
>>I'd be keeping it for emergency situations, especially animals, and I'd  be 
>>using it sparingly, could be a good thing to have on hand.
>> 
>>--- 
>>> I made 
CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my 
husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he 
forgot. My TDS meter is registering 
61.1.  


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Re: CS>A question, please

[Marshall]

Solubility in cold water is 32 ppm, hot water is 500 ppm.

Marshall

On 5/22/2012 9:13 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:



  First, Carbonic Acid, then Silver Carbonate. [is that even soluble 
enough to raise a TDS reading significantly? ]


Ode

At 09:12 PM 5/21/2012 -0400, you wrote:
It can add nitrogen, if there are nitrides in the air, such as during 
a thunderstorm, or if you have smog.  It will definitely add CO2 
producing silver carbonate though.


Marshall

On 5/21/2012 8:11 PM, Trem wrote:
Shows that bubbling is poor practice.  Adds nitrogen to the water 
increasing

PPM readings.  Probably a Silver Edge unitright?

Trem



-Original Message-
From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>A question, please


I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling.  
I asked
my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left.  Needless to 
say, he
forgot.  My TDS meter is registering 61.1.  My question is should I 
throw
this away.  I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12.  Any suggestions 
would be

appreciated.  Thank you.

B.

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Re: CS>A question, please

[Ode Coyote]

  First, Carbonic Acid, then Silver Carbonate. [is that even soluble 
enough to raise a TDS reading significantly? ]


Ode

At 09:12 PM 5/21/2012 -0400, you wrote:
It can add nitrogen, if there are nitrides in the air, such as during a 
thunderstorm, or if you have smog.  It will definitely add CO2 producing 
silver carbonate though.


Marshall

On 5/21/2012 8:11 PM, Trem wrote:

Shows that bubbling is poor practice.  Adds nitrogen to the water increasing
PPM readings.  Probably a Silver Edge unitright?

Trem



-Original Message-
From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>A question, please


I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling.  I asked
my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left.  Needless to say, he
forgot.  My TDS meter is registering 61.1.  My question is should I throw
this away.  I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12.  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.  Thank you.

B.

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Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please

[Bernadette]

Thanks all - I decanted the strong 61.1 CS this morning - i gargled with it 
last night - straight - Wow!!! strong - but I thought wound application would 
be a good thing.  As long as everyone agrees that I should keep it - I will.  I 
started brewing another batch this morning and will keep close eye on it this 
time.  I also think I will begin putting it in the animals water - well 
diluted.  

Thank you all for you helpful hints.

B.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane MacRoss 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:50 PM
  Subject: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please


  Just wondering Neville - is there no way to reduce the concentration of this?

  Jane
From: Neville Munn 


I wouldn't throw it away.  Praps leave it in storage for a while, then 
decant leaving any and all settlement behind. 


Will be ideal for open wounds and/or a throat/tonsil gargle.  You will 
still be absorbing some sublingually anyway when you gargle.


I'd be keeping it for emergency situations, especially animals, and I'd be 
using it sparingly, could be a good thing to have on hand.

--- 
> I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I 
asked my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he 
forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1.

Re: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please

[Jane MacRoss]

Thanks, wasn't quite sure how it worked :)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Neville Munn 


  Well, each to their own I suppose Jane.  Adding equal quantity of DW would 
dilute it I guess, then adding another equal quantity to that quantity may 
dilute it further.  I've never bothered with that personally.  I've never had a 
batch that high so praps one of the gurus' may offer some advice .


  N.

RE: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please

[Neville Munn]

Well, each to their own I suppose Jane.  Adding equal quantity of DW would 
dilute it I guess, then adding another equal quantity to that quantity may 
dilute it further.  I've never bothered with that personally.  I've never had a 
batch that high so praps one of the gurus' may offer some advice .
N.

From: highfie...@internode.on.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Neville / Re: CS>A question, please
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:50:02 +1000








Just wondering Neville - is 
there no way to reduce the concentration of this?
 
Jane

  From: 
  Neville 
  Munn 
  

  I wouldn't throw it away.  Praps leave it in storage for a 
  while, then decant leaving any and all settlement behind.
  

  Will be ideal for open wounds and/or a throat/tonsil gargle.  You 
  will still be absorbing some sublingually anyway when you gargle.
  

  I'd be keeping it for emergency situations, especially animals, and I'd 
  be using it sparingly, could be a good thing to have on hand.
   
  --- 
> I made CS 
  today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked my husband 
to 
  turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he forgot. My TDS 
  meter is registering 61.1.  

Neville / Re: CS>A question, please

[Jane MacRoss]

Just wondering Neville - is there no way to reduce the concentration of this?

Jane
  From: Neville Munn 


  I wouldn't throw it away.  Praps leave it in storage for a while, then decant 
leaving any and all settlement behind.


  Will be ideal for open wounds and/or a throat/tonsil gargle.  You will still 
be absorbing some sublingually anyway when you gargle.


  I'd be keeping it for emergency situations, especially animals, and I'd be 
using it sparingly, could be a good thing to have on hand.

  --- 
  > I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling. I asked 
my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left. Needless to say, he 
forgot. My TDS meter is registering 61.1.

RE: CS>A question, please

[Neville Munn]

I wouldn't throw it away.  Praps leave it in storage for a while, then decant 
leaving any and all settlement behind.
Will be ideal for open wounds and/or a throat/tonsil gargle.  You will still be 
absorbing some sublingually anyway when you gargle.
I'd be keeping it for emergency situations, especially animals, and I'd be 
using it sparingly, could be a good thing to have on hand.
N.

> From: bernade...@pa.net
> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:26:25 -0400
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>A question, please
> 
> 
> I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling.  I asked 
> my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left.  Needless to say, he 
> forgot.  My TDS meter is registering 61.1.  My question is should I throw 
> this away.  I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12.  Any suggestions would be 
> appreciated.  Thank you.
> 
> B.
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Re: CS>A question, please

[Bernadette Burch]

It has been raining all day but no thunderstorms or smog.  I just don't know if 
I should get rid od it and start over.  I make a gallon at a time.  

Thanks to all for the replies.

B.

 

On May 21, 2012, at 9:12 PM, Marshall  wrote:

It can add nitrogen, if there are nitrides in the air, such as during a 
thunderstorm, or if you have smog.  It will definitely add CO2 producing silver 
carbonate though.

Marshall

On 5/21/2012 8:11 PM, Trem wrote:
> Shows that bubbling is poor practice.  Adds nitrogen to the water increasing
> PPM readings.  Probably a Silver Edge unitright?
> 
> Trem
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>A question, please
> 
> 
> I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling.  I asked
> my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left.  Needless to say, he
> forgot.  My TDS meter is registering 61.1.  My question is should I throw
> this away.  I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12.  Any suggestions would be
> appreciated.  Thank you.
> 
> B.
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Re: CS>A question, please

[Marshall]

It can add nitrogen, if there are nitrides in the air, such as during a 
thunderstorm, or if you have smog.  It will definitely add CO2 producing 
silver carbonate though.


Marshall

On 5/21/2012 8:11 PM, Trem wrote:

Shows that bubbling is poor practice.  Adds nitrogen to the water increasing
PPM readings.  Probably a Silver Edge unitright?

Trem



-Original Message-
From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>A question, please


I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling.  I asked
my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left.  Needless to say, he
forgot.  My TDS meter is registering 61.1.  My question is should I throw
this away.  I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12.  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.  Thank you.

B.

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[Trem]

Sorry, didn't know anyone besides the one mentioned that made a bubbler
unit.

Trem



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From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:13 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>A question, please



 No Brooks made it for me.  

On May 21, 2012, at 8:11 PM, "Trem"  wrote:

Shows that bubbling is poor practice.  Adds nitrogen to the water increasing
PPM readings.  Probably a Silver Edge unitright?

Trem



-Original Message-
From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>A question, please


I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling.  I asked
my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left.  Needless to say, he
forgot.  My TDS meter is registering 61.1.  My question is should I throw
this away.  I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12.  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.  Thank you.

B.

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Re: CS>A question, please

[Bernadette Burch]

 No Brooks made it for me.  

On May 21, 2012, at 8:11 PM, "Trem"  wrote:

Shows that bubbling is poor practice.  Adds nitrogen to the water increasing
PPM readings.  Probably a Silver Edge unitright?

Trem



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From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM
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Subject: CS>A question, please


I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling.  I asked
my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left.  Needless to say, he
forgot.  My TDS meter is registering 61.1.  My question is should I throw
this away.  I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12.  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.  Thank you.

B.

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RE: CS>A question, please

[Trem]

Shows that bubbling is poor practice.  Adds nitrogen to the water increasing
PPM readings.  Probably a Silver Edge unitright?

Trem



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From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>A question, please


I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling.  I asked
my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left.  Needless to say, he
forgot.  My TDS meter is registering 61.1.  My question is should I throw
this away.  I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12.  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.  Thank you.

B.

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Re: CS>A question

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

You would have made the silver particles agglomerate i.e. clump together sunny. 
 This means they would be bigger and not so easy to eliminate although, in this 
amount, it probably wouldn't matter.  I don't know if it would do anything 
about the efficacy of it though.  dee

On 12 Jan 2010, at 20:53, Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote:

> About 8 months ago I bought a large bottle of colloidal silver.   When it was 
> halfway done I decided to add some oil of oregano to the mix. I've been using 
> it ever since [spraying it on my gums because I did have some dental problems 
> and didn't want them to recur] and now am beginning to think that I've ruined 
> the silver.  ;-)
>  
> Is this the case?  
>  
> thanks
> sunny
>  

RE: CS>a question about silver????

[Dan Nave]

You wrote:  
"I can design and build the most sophisticated CS Gen in the world
today.  Period.  It would make all the others look rather Mickey mouse."

Me too.  (Although I could use a little help in some of the actual
schematic and programming.)

It would have to incorporate a microprocessor and a 2 line LCD display
and a few switches because it would be programmable.  In one mode you
could use any size electrodes, any amount of water, and quality of
water...

Not really sure how it would go over commercially because there is a lot
to be said for a plug and play unit.  Could have a plug and play mode.

Dan

-Original Message-
From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 5:11 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>a question about silver

Morning Arnold,

At 02:26 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote:
>The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles 
>the process has run away in terms of current density and is producing 
>overly large silver particles and has never reached the potentially 
>high level of Ionic concentration.  This results in an inferior 
>product, even when the person using it is very diligent.

   Can you define your "Runaway term?  A bit more detailed.

   While your statement may be technically correctly and scientifically
correct,  I have used my Brain for a control system with my eyes for
sensors, of years.

Inferior is a bit hard to define.

Every single batch has worked wonders, and my current is within limits,
and less that the amounts with some of the automatic systems.

And further, I know exactly what is happening every minute.
Most people with the automatic system are hoping and guessing.

I can design and build the most sophisticated CS Gen in the world today.
Period.  It would make all the others look rather Mickey mouse.

I don't use the 3 / 9 stuff. I use a generator with no battery and no
power supply.

Wayne

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Re: CS>a question about silver????

[Wayne Fugitt]

Evening Ruth,

>>At 11:39 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote:

Wow!!!A CS Gen with no battery or power supply?!?!


   I did not say there was no voltage source.  I used the term
"power supply"  the way many use it which is technically incorrect.

Many terms are murdered on this list and others.

Any power source is a power supply of sorts, be in the conventional power 
supply, transformer, battery, solar collector,  house power,

solar ponds,  chemical tanks or containers, or generators.

The power source for my generator is the telephone line, frowned upon by many.

While the phone company maintains huge battery banks, after a long enough 
outage, depending on generators, it may loose power also.  Plus, it is not 
available in remote locations.


I think someone now sells something similar but I built this long ago after 
observing the phone line voltage is about two times the 3 /  9 volt 
batteries,  27 compared to 52 VDC.


>>I'm very limited by budget, but it costs nothing to ask,

>>  I have a Silverpuppy that I'm very happy with, but not having to have 
batteries or power would be wonderful!


   You best provide power for that one and forget most of the others.

Wayne

  



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Re: CS>a question about silver????

[Clayton Family]

On Nov 1, 2007, at 4:13 AM, Wayne Fugitt wrote:


Morning Arnold,

The problem with this method is that by the time you see these 
bubbles the process has run away in terms of current density


  I don't understand this.

  I have never seen any bubbles ?

  Where do the bubbles come from ?

  Who looks for bubbles ?

  Wayne

===




Good Morning Wayne,

When I first started out making it, I followed some instructions on a 
website showing a very simple method that Arnold has described. It was 
more like a yellow mist, floating from one electrode to the other. That 
is the visual clue that it is almost time to turn it off. It does look 
very cool.  Then I found some instructions on what size potentiometer 
to get to put in series and control the current, making a higher 
quality product.


So these are some very simple instructions for someone that does not 
have much to work with.


Kathryn


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Re: CS>a question about silver????

[Wayne Fugitt]

Morning Arnold,

At 02:26 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote:
The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles the 
process has run away in terms of current density and is producing overly 
large silver particles and has never reached the potentially high level of 
Ionic concentration.  This results in an inferior product, even when the 
person using it is very diligent.


  Can you define your "Runaway term?  A bit more detailed.

  While your statement may be technically correctly and scientifically 
correct,  I have used my Brain for a control system with my eyes for 
sensors, of years.


Inferior is a bit hard to define.

Every single batch has worked wonders, and my current is within limits, and 
less that the amounts with some of the automatic systems.


And further, I know exactly what is happening every minute.
Most people with the automatic system are hoping and guessing.

I can design and build the most sophisticated CS Gen in the world 
today.  Period.  It would make all the others look rather Mickey mouse.


I don't use the 3 / 9 stuff. I use a generator with no battery and no power 
supply.


Wayne

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Re: CS>a question about silver????

[Wayne Fugitt]

Morning Arnold,

The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles the 
process has run away in terms of current density


  I don't understand this.

  I have never seen any bubbles ?

  Where do the bubbles come from ?

  Who looks for bubbles ?

  Wayne

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Re: CS>a question about silver????

[Arnold Beland]

Hi Chris,



What s the voltage of your power supply?



So you have decided to make your own colloidal silver.  This is a smart move 
on your part for several reasons.  First and foremost is the fact that you 
will be in complete control of the quality of your product.  Colloidal 
silver is basically a very easy product to make.  The process that generates 
colloidal silver is called electrolysis.  It is the same process that is 
involved in electroplating.  This process moves tiny little bits of a metal 
( ions ) from one piece of metal parens the anode and program to the 
cathode, which can theoretically be any conductive metal, but in good 
practice should also be pure silver.  You need a vessel to hold whatever 
amount of pure distilled water that represents the amount of colloidal 
silver product that you will end up with.  It is very important that this is 
steam distilled water.  Not de-ionized.  Not ozonated.  We are fortunate in 
the United States to have this available at stores such as Wal-Mart, 
Walgreens, and many others.  The quality (purity) of the distilled water 
that you buy by the gallon will vary.  It is produced in large plants, and 
the quality depends on the water quality that they start off with and how 
well they have maintained their distilling equipment.  I will show you how 
to do a quick check to make sure that the distilled water is suitable for 
making colloidal silver before you use it.




We will start off with the famous but tricky 3-9 method.  This method 
entails the purchase of 3 9 volt batteries and connecting them in series to 
gain 27 volts.  You then simply attach the positive and negative battery 
terminals to two pieces of silver, which are immersed in water.  You are 
then supposed to sit and watch this until you see a cloud, a yellow cloud, 
of bubbles emerging from the positive electrode and heading for the negative 
electrode.  The problem with this method is that by the time you see these 
bubbles the process has run away in terms of current density and is 
producing overly large silver particles and has never reached the 
potentially high level of Ionic concentration.  This results in an inferior 
product, even when the person using it is very diligent.  We need to explain 
what we mean when we use the term quote current density quote.  The silver 
electrode that is connected to the positive battery terminal is called the 
anode.  The anode provides the atoms of silver.  It will have a certain 
surface area.  There is an optimum level of current density for the purpose 
of generating the highest level of Ionic concentration before the formation 
of actual silver particles begins.  If this level is exceeded, then 
particles start forming too early in the process and the process must be 
stopped before the particles become so large that the water begins to take 
on a color, starting with a yellowish tinge.  This indicates that particles 
larger than 40nm have begun to form.  Many years ago, before we had 
reasonably priced visible lasers available, we used the presence of a yellow 
tinge of color as an indicator that the process was finished.  Even using 
the method with current limiting, to prevent runaway, if the process goes on 
too long, the yellow tinge will appear.  There is nothing wrong with having 
colloidal silver with a slight yellow tinge.  The particles are still of the 
size that will do you no harm.




Many times people complain about the length of time that a process requires. 
Because the water is a very pure to start with as in the process of 
distillation removes any Ionic content.  Ions are what makes water 
conductive, therefore the current is very low to start with.  It builds up 
very gradually, and as it does the resistance between the electrodes 
decreases, thereby increasing the current.  The greater the distance between 
the electrodes, the greater resistance.  Therefore, one easy way to speed 
the process is to initially place the electrodes in close proximity.  By 
using a resister as a current limiting device between the batteries and an 
electrode you can do this quite safely, as even if you touch the electrodes 
together to form a short circuit, no harm will be done.  The resister will 
limit the current to a safe value.  If you place a voltmeter across the 
current limiting resistor, it will initially show very little voltage being 
dropped across the resister, because the current will be very low.  You will 
be able to see the current increasing as the ions increase in number as the 
voltage across the resister will increase proportionately as this occurs. 
When you observe this effect, you can then gradually move the electrodes 
further apart.  This will substantially decrease the amount of time involved 
in making the product.  You may find that there are people who will suggest 
adding some salt to the water to speed the process.  This is very bad 
advice.  You end up making silver chloride, and a series of unknown 
com

Re: CS> A question For Charles Sutton

[Hank]

Thank you Charles.
Yours Hank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Sutton 
  To: Hank ; silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:20 PM
  Subject: Re: CS> A question For Charles Sutton


  .
  This is from the article in Outdoor life I posted earlier.I don't know if 
the mfg or number is still good.

   "The only medically tested shocking device that is safe for almost all 
people, including those with heart pacemakers, is the Stun Gun, made by Nova 
Technologies (2207 Braker Lane, Austin, TX 78758, 512-832-5591)." 


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Re: CS> A question For Charles Sutton

[Charles Sutton]

.
This is from the article in Outdoor life I posted earlier.I don't know if 
the mfg or number is still good.

 "The only medically tested shocking device that is safe for almost all people, 
including those with heart pacemakers, is the Stun Gun, made by Nova 
Technologies (2207 Braker Lane, Austin, TX 78758, 512-832-5591)." 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hank 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CS> A question For Charles Sutton


  Scroggins took time to treat the hand with "two quick half-second zaps"
  > > from a Nova Technologies Stun Gun.

  There are a lot of diff volt Stun Guns, Do you know the best one to use?
  Yours Hank

Re: CS> A question For Charles Sutton

[Hank]

Scroggins took time to treat the hand with "two quick half-second zaps"
> > from a Nova Technologies Stun Gun.

There are a lot of diff volt Stun Guns, Do you know the best one to use?
Yours Hank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Sutton 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:32 PM
  Subject: CS>


  On a hike through the jungle to
  > > visit an indian village, Jim was bitten on the arm by a conga ant. The
  > > conga ant's "venom can cause a limb to swell so badly that it can't be
  > > used for days." Jim claimed the bite felt like "five wasp stings in the
  > > same spot." He shocked the wound with a stun gun and "within 30 to 60
  > > seconds the pain was gone." Even though conga ant bites are supposed to
  > > swell the whole limb, Jim had no swelling, only a discolored area the
  > > diameter of a baseball. 


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Re: CS>A Question.... and warning from the List Owner

[M. G. Devour]

Okay folks... Most of you know the drill.

For anybody who doesn't know the rules, the applicable section is as 
follows:

'Politics is forbidden unless it relates directly to CS or important 
alternative health issues, as mentioned above. Do not discuss political 
parties, elections, politicians, policy, or philosophy. Do not raise 
divisive issues -- you know which ones! Do not reply to political 
comments made by others... Nope, not even to be "fair!" '

If you need to review the rules, they're at the web site linked in the 
footer at the bottom of this and every list message.

Don't reply to this thread. Do not reply to any responses that come in 
from people who are catching up on their mail over the next day or two. 
Let the thread die.

At least half of the damage was done by those who complained or 
responded on-list. The one member who sent me a heads-up message 
privately did the right thing. My thanks to them.  

As always, the Off Topic list (also linked at bottom) can be used for 
these kinds of comments. I will be happy to referee the debate over 
there as long as people remain civil.

"Hank" has been warned.

Be well,

Mike Devour
Silver List owner

> Stop reading for a minute.
> Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think.
> Remember.
> See if you can answer yes to this question:
> 
> Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in
> this entire war?
> 
> I didn't think so.

...

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CS>A Question....OT answer to a reply. Sorry Mike

[William Meyer]

no paranoid delusion there. there are a number of theories on why our 
current
president invaded iraq. none of them have anything to do with fighting 
terrorism.
as far as WMD's, i suggest you look up "Scott Ritter". he was a US 
marine and
UNSCOM weapons inspector who resigned in 1998, saying the inspection 
process was
being misused to check on Saddam's defences and that Iraq's WMD's were 
almost

completely destroyed.
if you attack a country based on wilful disinformation and lies, 
killing an estimated
10,000 civilians, that makes you a criminal. each act of agression and 
violence that
individuals or countries get away with in the public sphere opens the 
doorway

to further agression and violence by opportunists in the public stage.

On Mar 29, 2004, at 12:07 AM, Hank wrote:

Not a damn thing if you are dead. If you are alive and can think then 
it has a lot to do with CS. It can save us lucky enough to not be in 
the shrubs war. Maybe you could help stop the war for oil. If not then 
CS won't help you and you will die, See you in the camp.

Yours Hank
- Original Message -
 From: David Bearrow
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A Question

What does this paranoid delusion have to do with silver?

At 08:53 PM 3/28/04, you wrote:
>
>Stop reading for a minute.
>Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think.
>Remember.
>See if you can answer yes to this question:
>
>Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in 
this

>entire war?
>
>I didn't think so.
>
>This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the
>whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still 
doing.

>The dead and wounded are being completely
>hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end.
>The profit taking isn't near over.

Re: CS>A Question....OT answer to a reply. Sorry Mike

[Hank]

Not a damn thing if you are dead. If you are alive and can think then it has a 
lot to do with CS. It can save us lucky enough to not be in the shrubs war. 
Maybe you could help stop the war for oil. If not then CS won't help you and 
you will die, See you in the camp.
Yours Hank
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Bearrow 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:40 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>A Question


  What does this paranoid delusion have to do with silver?

  At 08:53 PM 3/28/04, you wrote:
  >
  >Stop reading for a minute.
  >Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think.
  >Remember.
  >See if you can answer yes to this question:
  >
  >Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this 
  >entire war?
  >
  >I didn't think so.
  >
  >This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the 
  >whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still doing. 
  >The dead and wounded are being completely
  >hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end.
  >The profit taking isn't near over.

Re: CS>A Question....

[Hank]

Hell I don't know what a mental giant is. Do you? I sure don't think it will be 
you. And the Spam is that you can't open your eyes.
Yours Hank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Acmeair 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:11 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>A Question


  Who is this mental giant? This looks like liberal political spam to me.
- Original Message - 
From: Hank 
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:53 PM
Subject: CS>A Question



Stop reading for a minute.
Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think.
Remember.
See if you can answer yes to this question:

Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this 
entire war?

I didn't think so.

This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the 
whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still doing. The 
dead and wounded are being completely
hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end.
The profit taking isn't near over.

Re: CS>A Question....

[David Bearrow]

What does this paranoid delusion have to do with silver?

At 08:53 PM 3/28/04, you wrote:


Stop reading for a minute.
Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think.
Remember.
See if you can answer yes to this question:

Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this 
entire war?


I didn't think so.

This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the 
whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still doing. 
The dead and wounded are being completely

hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end.
The profit taking isn't near over.



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Re: CS>A Question....

[Acmeair]

Who is this mental giant? This looks like liberal political spam to me.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hank 
  To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
  Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:53 PM
  Subject: CS>A Question



  Stop reading for a minute.
  Take your hands away from your mouse and keyboard, and think.
  Remember.
  See if you can answer yes to this question:

  Have you seen a single flag draped coffin in the mainstream media in this 
entire war?

  I didn't think so.

  This proves the media is in collusion with this administration in the 
whitewashing of the horror of what they have done, and are still doing. The 
dead and wounded are being completely
  hidden from us so that there is no public outcry for it to end.
  The profit taking isn't near over.

Re: CS>A question (anna)

[Val Morten]

anna try a series of liver g/b flushes,and coffee enamas, you must be
very toxic.
roger
> 
> Hi Richard, I sent the replies on to Anna, Here is her answer.
> 
> Hank, I think you may remember this from NWOC. But, I had some CS
> from Innerlight. The very first time I took it...and it was only
> about 5 drops under my tonguemy throat closed up...I had an
> allergic reaction. I almost went into anaphylactic shock. Grabbed my
> inhaler just in time. Drank lots of pure water.
> 
> I was told that it must've not been very good CS but I'm VERY
> sensitive to pills, drugs, herbs, etcso I have to admit I'm
> afraid to try it again. I don't even take pain meds like tylenol
> unless it's severe.
> 
> I've got a really strong immune system...knock on wood, I've not been
> sick with a virus or flu since the week after 9/11. I had bronchitis
> for over a month...from the chem spraying which was heavy when
> aircraft could fly again. I had it so bad, I thought I'd die with it.
> But since, I've not even had a cold. I've had allergic reaction
> stuff..throat closing up, stuffy sinuses, watery eyes, etc. but no
> infection, cold, virus, etc.
> 
> So - I don't have any CS.
> ???
> Anna
> Sincerely Yours,
> Hank


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Re: CS>A question

[Hank]

Hi Richard, I sent the replies on to Anna, Here is her answer.

Hank, I think you may remember this from NWOC. But, I had some CS 
from Innerlight. The very first time I took it...and it was only 
about 5 drops under my tonguemy throat closed up...I had an 
allergic reaction. I almost went into anaphylactic shock. Grabbed my 
inhaler just in time. Drank lots of pure water.

I was told that it must've not been very good CS but I'm VERY 
sensitive to pills, drugs, herbs, etcso I have to admit I'm 
afraid to try it again. I don't even take pain meds like tylenol 
unless it's severe.

I've got a really strong immune system...knock on wood, I've not been 
sick with a virus or flu since the week after 9/11. I had bronchitis 
for over a month...from the chem spraying which was heavy when 
aircraft could fly again. I had it so bad, I thought I'd die with it. 
But since, I've not even had a cold. I've had allergic reaction 
stuff..throat closing up, stuffy sinuses, watery eyes, etc. but no 
infection, cold, virus, etc.

So - I don't have any CS.
???
Anna

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  Cc: Richard Harris 
  Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:45 AM
  Subject: RE: CS>A question


  Hank,

  You're on track for proper actions; I would increase my own daily intake of 
CS--spray my eyes at least twice a day; take a bottle of CS to work and spray 
on phones and everything that could shelter pathogens in addition to the "blue 
bottled spray you spoke of". 


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RE: CS>A question

[Richard Harris]

Hank,

You're on track for proper actions; I would increase my own daily intake of
CS--spray my eyes at least twice a day; take a bottle of CS to work and
spray on phones and everything that could shelter pathogens in addition to
the "blue bottled spray you spoke of".

Primarily, I would take him a quart of CS and invite him to begin using it
internally and as external soaks several times a day--stressing that CS is
NOT a drug or medication, but a mineral supplement that he could (and I feel
Should) use regularly to complement (NOT replace) anything else he's taking
or using. I'll remind you that CS can be safely used by anyone, of any age,
or size with ANY condition or problem, taking any medication or treatment
without interferring with other medications.

If he buys in to this and uses CS, he can be blessed mightily--if he, like
85% of people that Dr. Bob Beck described as refusing CS and having a "Death
Wish"--then you can wish him well and pray for him and his recovery.

Happy New Year to You and ALL!
Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS>A question


  Hi, I got this from another list I am on. Anyone know anything about this?



  Hi guys...
  I wanted to update you on the guy at work with the "sore" on his face
whose "case study" was a mystery to the docs last week.

  When I arrived at work this morning...I replaced him..he held over 2 hours
so I could have christmas with my children this morning. I noticed his sore
has become "sores" - 3 of them. One nickel sized and another the size of a
dime next to it...and pea sized to the right...starting to connect. I tried
not to stare...and asked him if he heard back from the docs.

  He said, "Yep. It's a blood borne pathogen of which they're not sure. I'm
not supposed to be working around people or food. BUT, you know how it
is...I gotta work."

  I didn't think  to ask him how they are treating it - my head was
spinningI think he was on antibiotics last week...so why is it
spreading? And, my search for blood borne pathogens turns up everything from
aids to hepatitis C. They are not naming his condition yet.

  HOWEVER, I'm following this guy each morningImmediately after he left
I sprayed and hopefully sanitized (not sure what's in the "blue" liquid in
the bottle we clean counters, etc. with) EVERYTHING. His register, the
counter, the lottery machineanything I could think of that he had
touched.

  He had a copy of the book, the Bible Code, laying there so we started a
rather cool conversation on theology, spanning millenium and into the
future. He's really an awesome person...5 year old son...I feel really bad
for him...BUT ...BUT (can't get the caps any bigger!)...HE IS CONTAGIOUS!
And making coffee, and putting hotdogs on the grill (with
gloves...but)...and touching things I have to touch too.

  Guys...I'm just looking for ..well, something here. If the docs STILL
don't know what it is (looks like Impetigo) then it can't be impetigo or
something common.

  Help me here...wwyd?? What would YOU do??? What do YOU think? Any articles
floating out there that speak of this?

  Peace - Anna

  Sincerely Yours,
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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Ode Coyote]

That's assuming that the experiment didn't take transmission possibilities 
into account and isolate the experiment from the general population. What 
sort of idiot wouldn't do that?


Silver is commonly used to sterilize surfaces and water supplies [NASA does 
that].  It's not at all difficult to prove that it works [or 
doesn't].  It's known and accepted by both the American  EPA and the 
Canadian counterparts of the EPA that silver kills microbes quite 
effectively and is virtually non toxic to mammals.  It's in their water 
quality standards reports. Almost any good reference book less than 40 
years old mentions that quality.

Why not air? [Hey, find out, right?]

 The problem is that people don't read their own 'bibles' and defer 
literacy to the programmed priesthood of the black or white world who can't 
[or won't] read with a discernment adequate to tell tons from micrograms.


Well, maybe Holy water is good stuff...but it ain't the only water around.


ken



I'm talking about a high medical risk because it is not a certainty that
this
would not infect others.   I'm not sure what you mean by the risk of
being laughed at.  But I can assure you that no one will be laughing if
I present something they have no experience with and then tell them
to nebulize it when they aren't nebulizing anything right now.  If you're
talking about being laughed at for the idea overall, yes, this would be
a concern for two reasons.  First, I'm trying to take advantage of the
opening to introduce CS to conventional medicine.  I want them to
seriously consider the idea. Second, I am concerned about the reputation
I've managed to cultivate in this group.  It's not every day that a person
who walks in the alternative medicine world is considered a peer by
physicians
and scientists.  I'm not about to do anything to damage this.  I'm playing
by their
rules and hopefully, I can get them to see the value of CS.  Then THEY can
figure out
how to administer it (with a few subtle hints).


Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[alltogethernow]

Well, for what it's worth, I have been flooding my system with CS and
zapping for the last 5 days, and this monster will not die. I have
drank, nebulized, gargled, and iv twice, and then used a godzilla.
  My hair finally stopped hurting today. 
 We may be in for some trouble, unless someone here has a better
protocol.
 Maybe someone here can explain the logistics of dmso and so on.
 I just assumed that CS with a drop of h202 3-4 sessions a day in a neb.
would do it in, but it seems to have just offer temp. relief.
 On the other hand, it might buy some time, or provide extra kick for
prescribed medicine.  


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear Ken,


  I said:

"Well, taking into consideration that they are still having workers
>contract SARS despite the fact they are being followed by teams of "safety
>police", it would probably not be considered riskless to try this."



<<  So, the risk is in being laughed at?   :-)
  I meant medical risk..but you knew that.>>


  **  I don't think I expressed myself well enough.  It seems you
are responding to something I didn't say.


I'm talking about a high medical risk because it is not a certainty that
this
would not infect others.   I'm not sure what you mean by the risk of
being laughed at.  But I can assure you that no one will be laughing if
I present something they have no experience with and then tell them
to nebulize it when they aren't nebulizing anything right now.  If you're
talking about being laughed at for the idea overall, yes, this would be
a concern for two reasons.  First, I'm trying to take advantage of the
opening to introduce CS to conventional medicine.  I want them to
seriously consider the idea. Second, I am concerned about the reputation
I've managed to cultivate in this group.  It's not every day that a person
who walks in the alternative medicine world is considered a peer by
physicians
and scientists.  I'm not about to do anything to damage this.  I'm playing
by their
rules and hopefully, I can get them to see the value of CS.  Then THEY can
figure out
how to administer it (with a few subtle hints).


Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Ode Coyote]

   You said:

<<  In this case, there is very little risk and a possibility of major gain.
  IMO any physician that refuses to consider trying such a riskless
experiment would be negligent.>>







  **  Well, taking into consideration that they are still having workers
contract SARS despite the fact they are being followed by teams of "safety
police", it would probably not be considered riskless to try this.


##  So, the risk is in being laughed at?   :-)
 I meant medical risk..but you knew that.




  Do you know anything about IV administration of CS?


 ### I believe that Nancy would be the one to ask...and has posted several 
items on the subject.
 I don't think it would be any different than using plain old distilled 
water in an IV, but I'm not a medico.
 I do know that the CS you and I make is no more irritating to the eyes 
than distilled water. [stings a little in the same way]




  Thanks, Ken.

  BTW, I'm enjoying using your generator.  I appreciate the workmanship,
detailed instructions, customer service, and of course, price.


 Thank YOU!
Ken



Regards,
Catherine


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[C Creel]

Dear Trem,

  You said:

<>


I agree.  This sounds like a way to go.

Regards,
Catherine


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[Trem]

Hi Catherine,

You mentioned the use of inhalers as being acceptable.  Why not use an empty
inhaler and fill it with CS.  That way there won't be any excess droplets
when the person exhales.

Trem

- Original Message -
From: "C Creel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined


> Dear Jason,
>
>   You said:
>
> < fear
> of spreading the infection.  In a hospital setting, you don't "not use
> silver via a nebulizer" because you don't know if it works or not ( and
> simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual
and
> take necessary precautions.  >>
>
>
>   The point is if they think nebulizing is dangerous under these
conditions
> (and they do) then recommending nebulizing CS is going to be entirely
> rejected.  I have one shot at this.  I want to take my best shot.  Trying
to
> talk an entire profession out of what they consider to be safety
precautions
> at a time when the majotiy of people with SARS in many hospitals are
> hospital workers would not be productive.
>
> Regards,
> Catherine
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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Jason Eaton]

Catherine:

RX grading is not determined by the FDA.  It is determined by USP standards.

There are currently no USP standards for isolated silver products.  There
are people working on establishing these standards, however.

Best Regards,

Jason



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To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined


>
> < >will not find any RX approved CS.>>
>
>   Oops - I mis-spoke.  I meant pharmaceutical grade.  Sorry for the
> confusion.
>
> Catherine
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[Jason Eaton]

Catherine:

Of course I understand!  I've been "working on" several very qualified
infectious disease specialists now for quite some time.

I had erronously assumed that the MD's were experienced in using colloidal
silver.

I also didn't want those "on the street" to be afraid of nebulizing.

On more than one occasion I have been approached by those I know who work in
hospital settings, who almost cannot bear NOT to take a few select
substances into their hospital.  I myself almost cannot bear to not walk in
myself and lend assistance to ease needless suffering and failing treatment
modalities.

The conversation always goes like this:  "Would X work on this case of
gangrene ( as an example )?  We're going to have to take the leg!"

My response goes something like this:  "Yes it would.  But you can't risk
losing your license to practice.  Get them out of the hospital, and it would
be different."

Not be to overly harsh on the medical establishment, I had the opportunity
to follow a precident setting case of a failed surgical procedure where the
bowels were nicked.  The individual was sewn up, and within 24 hours
displayed signs of SEVERE bloating.  The surgeons went in and determined
that the bowels were nicked and leaking, and they could not perform a
surgical repair.

This individual was going to die.

They brought in a VAC wound care system.  The dressing changes would take
from 2 to 4 hours... Sometimes longer if they could not get a vaccum seal on
the irregular wound.  Every pad, seal, and dressing would have to be cut to
dimensions.  Once the vaccum seal had been successfully established, it
could be left on for extended periods of time.  If for whatever reason the
seal was broken, the whole dressing would have to be redone.

In such situations, antibiotics are useless.  When fecal matter is leaking
into the body, you cannot stop an infection.  The VAC system successfully
kept the wound isolated and sealed.  The infection was eliminated.  The
abdominal area was kept free of fecal matter, and the nicks in the
intestines healed.  The individual walked out of that hospital.

Best Regards,

Jason

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From: "C Creel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined


> Dear Jason,
>
>   You said:
>
> < fear
> of spreading the infection.  In a hospital setting, you don't "not use
> silver via a nebulizer" because you don't know if it works or not ( and
> simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual
and
> take necessary precautions.  >>
>
>
>   The point is if they think nebulizing is dangerous under these
conditions
> (and they do) then recommending nebulizing CS is going to be entirely
> rejected.  I have one shot at this.  I want to take my best shot.  Trying
to
> talk an entire profession out of what they consider to be safety
precautions
> at a time when the majotiy of people with SARS in many hospitals are
> hospital workers would not be productive.
>
> Regards,
> Catherine
>
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[C Creel]

Dear Ken,


   You said:

<<  You have desperation in your favor.>>


   **  True.   THis is the only reason they are even willing to give me an
audience.

   You said:

<<  In this case, there is very little risk and a possibility of major gain.
  IMO any physician that refuses to consider trying such a riskless
experiment would be negligent.>>


  **  Well, taking into consideration that they are still having workers
contract SARS despite the fact they are being followed by teams of "safety
police", it would probably not be considered riskless to try this.


  Do you know anything about IV administration of CS?

  Thanks, Ken.

  BTW, I'm enjoying using your generator.  I appreciate the workmanship,
detailed instructions, customer service, and of course, price.

Regards,
Catherine


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[C Creel]

>

  Oops - I mis-spoke.  I meant pharmaceutical grade.  Sorry for the
confusion.

Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Ode Coyote]

 Idea:

Get the physician to make a culture from exhaled droplets before and after 
[during?] nebulizing with CS.
 A couple of breaths of CS vapor certainly won't hurt [or cure] anyone but 
should be quite revealing.


 It could turn out that running an ultrasonic humidifier with CS in it 
will completely protect anyone in the room...and maybe even cure the patient.


 You have desperation in your favor.
 In this case, there is very little risk and a possibility of major gain.
 IMO any physician that refuses to consider trying such a riskless 
experiment would be negligent.

ken


At 04:24 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:

Dear Laura,


  You said:

<>


  ** Sure, there is some fluid in regular exhalations but there would be far
more nebulizing anything.  The purpose I'm asking the questions I am is
because I have an opportunity to present alternative options to people
treating people who have SARS .  I have to be scientific in my presentation
otherwise I'll lose them in the first three minutes.  Right now, they are
not nebulizing anything because of the higher risk of transmission.  What
has to be considered is the people giving the treatment and the air exchange
system in the hospitals.

What I'm after is any other way to get CS to the lungs - also, the
efficacy of CS on small envelope proteins.

Regards,
Catherine


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[ian_ontario]

Well, I can tell you that from current precautions being taken, anything
that would aresolize in a SARS patient's room is being stopped.  i.e. no
hand washing inside the room.  Holding to the theory that the virus is the
cause, they are saying that it stays live on surfaces for 24 hours. Anything
that aresolizes could conceivably contaminate every surface in a patient's
room and increase the possibility of transmission to care givers.  Even the
other day orders came through on patients' charts not to do chest
percussions or 'cupping'  for chest physio.  SARS makes for a dry cough but
other types of pneumonia are not dry and require chest physio. Even now, we
are double gowning, double gloving, double masking, full face shields,
microsan hand wash between phases of removal of layer inside and outside the
door.  Patients are all in negative pressure rooms.

Ian

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Subject: Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined


> I missed something though I thought I had been following this thread.
> Why is it not advisable to nebulize CS for SARS?
> paula


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Ode Coyote]

Since CS is not an FDA recognized drug [except in the negative sense] you 
will not find any RX approved CS.


 But any CS is a billion times less risky to use in any way than having 
SARS...just use the best you can find or make.
Generally speaking, what you make using basic protocals and care will be 
better than what you buy.
Most commercial producers go for speed of production...not quality and most 
commercially available CS is actually MSP [mild silver protein] and 
sometimes made by a chemical precipitate method.

 Read the fine print.

If the label says it may irritate eyes etc...if it says shake before 
using...it's probably not very good.


Ken



   IV protocol, anyone?  Amount, frequency?  I should probably recommend the
CS one can get by Rx only.  That would make the mainstream docs feel good
and safe I think.

  Thanks :-)

Regards,
Catherine


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[Ode Coyote]

  Wouldn't one be exhaling CS droplets along with the virus?
 I should think that anything that does come out would be quite dead.
ken

At 12:43 PM 4/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information 
we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk 
of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube 
with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. 
Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a 
way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the 
virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing.


At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote:

  SARS can be carried in droplets.  One would expel these when exhaling.
Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it.


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[Jonathan B. Britten]

This is a sensible comment.  There must be some way to rig up a device
to filter the exhalation, sort a reverse gas-mask device to filter the
exhalations rather than the inhalations.  Should be big bucks, too, for
anyone supplying such a device, which would be much cheaper than those
negative-pressure chambers they have in some hospitals.   Big bucks for
some first-rate medical vendors here if CS is shown to have an effect.  





David Bearrow wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information
> we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk
> of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with
> a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a
> tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way
> to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus
> shouldn't stop you from nebulizing.
> 
> At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote:
> >   SARS can be carried in droplets.  One would expel these when exhaling.
> >Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it.
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[C Creel]

Dear Jason,

  You said:

<>


  The point is if they think nebulizing is dangerous under these conditions
(and they do) then recommending nebulizing CS is going to be entirely
rejected.  I have one shot at this.  I want to take my best shot.  Trying to
talk an entire profession out of what they consider to be safety precautions
at a time when the majotiy of people with SARS in many hospitals are
hospital workers would not be productive.

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Jason Eaton]

Reid:

I enjoyed your comments.  I certainly agree.

We know from personal research and personal experience that isolated silver
is effective in-vivo against virii.  The barrier doesn't seem to be the
type, but rather, the location in the body and whether or not silver can be
delivered to the infection site in great enough concentration, consistently,
and for a long enough period of time to be effective.

I have been following four recent cases of Hep C and three cases of HIV (
full blown AIDS ).  The results, across the board, are very promising.  The
longest AIDS case I've followed has been a near-death scenario, with a
complete restoration of health for a seven year period via colloidal silver
use ( not an HIV negative, however ).

I'm not certain I accept the reasoning that one should not nebulize for fear
of spreading the infection.  In a hospital setting, you don't "not use
silver via a nebulizer" because you don't know if it works or not ( and
simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual and
take necessary precautions.  If one knows they have this condition, then it
is on the individual to be reasonably responsible with limitation of
contact.  If a person is not that responsible, then the philosophical point
is irrelevant anyway.

I never let academia get in the way of taking care of a condition with every
possible method available.  "It might not work" is not good enough for me.
It never has been, and never will be.  I would be more inclined to say that
it might not work as well via oral use.

This world is a very strange place.  Do the needs of the many outway the
needs of the few, or the one?  Before people are allowed to make policy, or
otherwise make decisions that can save or kill, I think this question should
be accurately analyzed and answered.

With Warm Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined


> CSEnthusiasts,
> In discussing the risk of spreading SARS in exhaled droplets it would
> seem to me there is an issue as to whether or not the treatment is for
> prevention or for cure.  For example, if we have a high degree of
> certainty that an individual does not have SARS then it would seem quite
> reasonable to be within their breething zone.
>
> And shouldn't we worry more that a person who may become infected
> through the droplets is someone who should be nebulizing, but may not
> be?  As to the possibility that the virus may not be cleared up through
> the use of CS, if this were true would it not be a first?  For what
> other virus has CS not indicated effective?
>
> My questions are just that, and not statements or any kind of challenge
> to what others are saying.  Thanks to all for sharing knowledge in these
> worrisome times.
> Reid
>
> David Bearrow said:
> I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this
> information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not
> increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a
> filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the
> end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale
> through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this
> fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing.
>
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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Reid Harvey]

CSEnthusiasts,
In discussing the risk of spreading SARS in exhaled droplets it would
seem to me there is an issue as to whether or not the treatment is for
prevention or for cure.  For example, if we have a high degree of
certainty that an individual does not have SARS then it would seem quite
reasonable to be within their breething zone.

And shouldn't we worry more that a person who may become infected
through the droplets is someone who should be nebulizing, but may not
be?  As to the possibility that the virus may not be cleared up through
the use of CS, if this were true would it not be a first?  For what
other virus has CS not indicated effective?

My questions are just that, and not statements or any kind of challenge
to what others are saying.  Thanks to all for sharing knowledge in these
worrisome times.
Reid

David Bearrow said:
I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this
information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not
increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a
filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the
end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale
through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this
fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing.



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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[sol]

Bwahaha, Ed, let us all know when you come up with an answer how we can
still breathe and avoid the virus!
  Actually I did think we all exhaled droplets with every breath, if we
didn't it would mean our lungs were all dried out and we'd be dead.
  So far I just plan to keep spraying my eyes, face, and hands whenever I've
been out around people. Been doing this for many weeks now, and it is
keeping me from any colds, etc. so far. Its no trouble at all to carry a
little 2 oz spray bottle of CS with me everywhere.  I would sure hope
someone is going to be able to test the SARS virus with CS at some point.
Don't expect that to happen real soon, though.
paula

- Original Message -
From: "Ed Haskins" 


> OK, I think I've got it . 
>
> If I don't yet have the virus, it's unsafe to inhale, but ok to exhale .
> 
>
> If I've got the virus, it ok to inhale, but unsafe to exhale . 
>
> H .  I better work on this a bit more and get back to you . 
:-)





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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear Laura,


  You said:

<>


  ** Sure, there is some fluid in regular exhalations but there would be far
more nebulizing anything.  The purpose I'm asking the questions I am is
because I have an opportunity to present alternative options to people
treating people who have SARS .  I have to be scientific in my presentation
otherwise I'll lose them in the first three minutes.  Right now, they are
not nebulizing anything because of the higher risk of transmission.  What
has to be considered is the people giving the treatment and the air exchange
system in the hospitals.

What I'm after is any other way to get CS to the lungs - also, the
efficacy of CS on small envelope proteins.

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

<>


  **  We'll know if CS works if I can convince this group of physicians on
Sunday to use it.


 <>

  **   I'd be shocked if it was.

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear David,


  You said:

<>

  **Yes, I will be presenting the work from BYU.  Thank you for
mentioning the IV protocol. I'm so microfocused on the lungs at this point
(and exhausted) that I was only thinking about a direct delivery method to
the lungs.  Geeez...I think I need to take a breather and get my head back
on straight.


   IV protocol, anyone?  Amount, frequency?  I should probably recommend the
CS one can get by Rx only.  That would make the mainstream docs feel good
and safe I think.

  Thanks :-)

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[David Bearrow]

At 01:56 PM 4/25/03, you wrote:

  I'm talking about this for a very specific reason.  I have the opportunity
to
introduce CS to physicians working directly with SARS cases.  They are not
nebulizing anything due to fears of spreading SARS more.  I cannot appproach
them with an unfamiliar treatment (CS) and then expect them to take this
unfamiliar treatment and administer it in a way they have decided is to
dangerous.  The whole idea will be shot down and the opportunity to intoduce
CS will be lost (this time).  I don't want that to happen.


I understand your concern with attempting to introduce CS to physicians, 
however, the discussion brought confusion to some folks on the list who 
thought you were saying that they should not nebulize silver if they caught 
SARS. Most likely nebulizing CS will be beneficial to someone with SARS. 
The problem was not with this treatment but with getting a mainstream 
physician to accept this protocol.


The only way we will ever know if nebulizing will help is if someone tries it.

I'm not sure how to address your main concern which is to get the physician 
to consider using CS to treat SARS. There are many delivery methods you 
could use once you have the physician convinced to give it a trial, chief 
among them would be nebulizing and IV. But the trick is to convince him. 
Perhaps showing him the BYU study results might help.




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[C Creel]

Dear David,


  You said:

<>


  I'm talking about this for a very specific reason.  I have the opportunity
to
introduce CS to physicians working directly with SARS cases.  They are not
nebulizing anything due to fears of spreading SARS more.  I cannot appproach
them with an unfamiliar treatment (CS) and then expect them to take this
unfamiliar treatment and administer it in a way they have decided is to
dangerous.  The whole idea will be shot down and the opportunity to intoduce
CS will be lost (this time).  I don't want that to happen.

  A filter is an interesting idea but my concern is that each thing
introduced to them that is unfamiliar will make them more unable to see the
possibilities.

   I appreciate everyone's thoughts on this but please understand that I
have to operate within some established parameters.

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[alltogethernow]

My guess is that we will never know if CS works against sars unless
there is an extreme epidemic, because if you go and get a confirmation
now, you will probably be quarantined, rather than let loose to go home
and find out. ( Or, you might volunteer for your own safety.)
 But, only if it is a "given" that you, and those around you have it,
and you are left to your own, as in house or neighborhood quarantine,
will you get the opportunity to find out.  
 Another reason is that, at the first sign of symptoms, those of us that
can, will start treatment, and possibly knock it out before it gets
started. 
 I just went through 3 days of "probable" flu, and will never know for
sure, although I strongly doubt it was sars. 


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Ed Haskins]

OK, I think I've got it . 

If I don't yet have the virus, it's unsafe to inhale, but ok to exhale .


If I've got the virus, it ok to inhale, but unsafe to exhale . 

H .  I better work on this a bit more and get back to you .  :-)


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From: "David Bearrow" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined


> I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information
> we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk
> of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube
with
> a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a
> tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way
> to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus
> shouldn't stop you from nebulizing.
>
> At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote:
> >   SARS can be carried in droplets.  One would expel these when exhaling.
> >Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize
it.
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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[David Bearrow]

I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information 
we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk 
of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with 
a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a 
tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way 
to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus 
shouldn't stop you from nebulizing.


At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote:

  SARS can be carried in droplets.  One would expel these when exhaling.
Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it.


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Sammark4]

Aren't there water molecules in regular exhalation?  Maybe nebulizing with CS 
if the CS didn't kill it on contact would increase the risk of SARS transport 
in that local area, but there is a large risk-benefit ratio here, as I see 
it.  The last place I would want to be if I suspected I had SARS would be a 
hospital emergency room.

Laura

In a message dated 4/25/03 10:33:47 AM Central Daylight Time, 
ccr...@adelphia.net writes:

>   SARS can be carried in droplets.  One would expel these when exhaling.
>  Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it.
>  
>  Regards,
>  Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear Paula,


   You said:

<>


  SARS can be carried in droplets.  One would expel these when exhaling.
Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it.

Regards,
Catherine


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[sol]

Well, but I don't get that, why it would? I mean, the nebulizer I have is
designed to be held with the lips around it just like an inhaler, one holds
it there and breathes in through the mouth (closed around nebulizer tube)
and out through the nose. Presumably the people getting meds via inhaler
still breath out, etc, etc. I must be missing something about the particular
type of nebulizing they are concerned about? In observing my mother use her
inhaler meds, she, in fact, used to do a pretty good out breath after the
large inhale required, so she would have been huffing those SARS germs out
really well.
paula
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>
>   Risk of spreading it further.
>
> C





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[C Creel]

<>


  Risk of spreading it further.

C


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[alltogethernow]

I've been sick with something for the last 3 days akin to the symptoms
of sars, however, I'm assuming it's the flu or strep throat or such;
anyway, when I nebulize CS, the symptoms subside, so much so that on the
second day I felt good enough to lift weights, thinking I had kicked it,
but the next day it is back with a vengeance.
 Just finished 2 sessions, along with 2 kinds of zappers, and the
symptoms are diminished again, but not gone.
 At any rate, it's probably a good idea (for me) to self treat, and
avoid places like hospitals and drs offices. 
 I'm in Md. -no reported cases so far, that I know of.


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[sol]

I missed something though I thought I had been following this thread.
Why is it not advisable to nebulize CS for SARS?
paula
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From: "C Creel" 
>Also, since nebulizing CS would not be advisable with SARS what would
the
> options be to get CS to the lungs?





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[C Creel]

Dear Dave,

  You said:

<>


  **  The problem is it is pure speculation.  We can't yet say that CS
works until it works.  In the meantime, to nebulize could be spreading it.

  Currently, all breathing treatments are being done with inhalers for this
reason.

Regards,
Catherine

Regards,
Catherine


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[Robert Berger]

Catherine,

Personally I think the statement made earlier by the "authorities" that
nebulizing would increase  the danger of disease spread. I guess the SARS people
should stop breathing.

When I nebulize I continue breathing or should I just stop?? :-)

I don't want to contemplate the alternative!

"Ole Bob"




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[C Creel]

Dear Trem and Malcolm,


  Thank you for your prompt responses.  
I agree, Malcolm, the two sites you gave
as as good as it gets!

Regards,
Catherine


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[Malcolm Stebbins]

Hi Catherine;
One of the best, I believe:
http://www.silverpuppy.com/
Here's the other top contender, IMNSHO:
http://www.silvergen.com/
Both these are about as complete as you can get.
Take care,  Malcolm

At 07:31 PM 12/28/02 -0800, you wrote:

Dear Group,


I'm trying to recall what member sells an entire kit for
making CS.  I believe the generator has an automatic stirrer.
As I recall, the price is quite reasonable.  I seem to also recall
at least a couple of times that the price was reduced for a limited
time for list members. (?)

  Thanks in advance for any assistance with this.

Regards,
Catherine


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[Trem]

Hi Catherine,

Our unit does stir the water, shuts off automatically and has a variable PPM
control but we haven't offered them at discount.  That's a good idea.  We'll
give list members 10% off on any of our generators.

Any takers please contact me off list.  Thanks.

Hope this isn't too commercial Mike.

(o¿o)
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: CS>A question - perhaps to Trem


> Dear Group,
>
>
> I'm trying to recall what member sells an entire kit for
> making CS.  I believe the generator has an automatic stirrer.
> As I recall, the price is quite reasonable.  I seem to also recall
> at least a couple of times that the price was reduced for a limited
> time for list members. (?)
>
>   Thanks in advance for any assistance with this.
>
> Regards,
> Catherine
>
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Re: CS>A question of ticks and lyme

[Daniel Hernandez]

Marshalee, (a language purist)

When I was a child, I thought Alzheimer was pronounced old timers, I
never saw the spelling
till I was older. All I ever did, was here the word not see it, and since
it seemed to affect the elderly most of the time thats the way it stuck
in my mind till I was 18. Ignorance is bliss.
Daniel


On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 07:20:27 -0700 Ode Coyote  writes:
>   Musta forgot...my Meanderthall upbringin in Alzheimer Arkansas [a 
> real
> place]
> Ken
> 
> At 07:40 AM 6/29/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >>  Lymes is pretty rare especially if you get that tick off within 
> 3 hours.
> >> Usually one gets flu like symptoms and  the spreading rash or 
> bullseye,
> >but
> >> not always.
> >>  Ken
> >
> >Ah, come on, Ken, surely you`ve been on the List long enough to 
> know it is
> >Lyme, not "Lymes" Disease! Named after a town, not a doctor.
> > Then there`s Alzheimers, how many know the z is said like "ts" and 
> not like
> >an English z?
> >And it is "Neander-tall" not "Neander-thal" even though it`s 
> spelled that
> >way.
> >Arrgh...
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Re: CS>A question of ticks and lyme

[Ode Coyote]

  Musta forgot...my Meanderthall upbringin in Alzheimer Arkansas [a real
place]
Ken

At 07:40 AM 6/29/01 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>  Lymes is pretty rare especially if you get that tick off within 3 hours.
>> Usually one gets flu like symptoms and  the spreading rash or bullseye,
>but
>> not always.
>>  Ken
>
>Ah, come on, Ken, surely you`ve been on the List long enough to know it is
>Lyme, not "Lymes" Disease! Named after a town, not a doctor.
> Then there`s Alzheimers, how many know the z is said like "ts" and not like
>an English z?
>And it is "Neander-tall" not "Neander-thal" even though it`s spelled that
>way.
>Arrgh...
>Marshalee, (a language purist)
>
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Re: CS>A question of ticks and lyme

[Joanne]

Thank you for the tick-lyme info.  I will forward it to my daughter.  I
think they will probably walk someplace else...Ken your story about all the
ticks on you was gross...yuck..I can't imagine being covered with that many
ticks...

Joanne
www.snowcrest.net/samijo

- Original Message -
From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: CS>A question of ticks and lyme


>   The very small tick may or may not be a deer tick.  Adult deer ticks are
> about an 8th inch. The tick 'nymph' or what we call a 'seed tick' is very
> small. It's the same tick in a different stage of it's life cycle.
>  Lymes is pretty rare especially if you get that tick off within 3 hours.
> Usually one gets flu like symptoms and  the spreading rash or bullseye,
but
> not always.
>
>  Also be aware of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever which can kill ya pretty
quick.
>
>
>  I always check for ticks several times after walking in the woods.
> There's something that we locals call "tic paranoia", lasting hours to
> days, where every little tickle promotes nudity and inspection. [more fun
> in mixed company :-)]
>
> If a dog gets a tick in its ear, the dog can be paralyzed till it's pulled
> out. If the tick is allowed to drop off, you'll have "Sagans" [billions
and
> billions] of ticks around...starting with seed ticks.
>  I don't know if dogs get or carry Lymes disease but it's a good idea to
> de-tick them every day.
>
>   As a former forestry worker, I've had ticks on me that were so thick
that
> the blue on my jeans was not visible and they had to be scraped off with a
> knife before they dug in.  WAY FREAKY!!!
>
>  Fun with ticks...
>  They can run around on the bottom of a jar full of methonol for a long
time.
>  Lots of fun to touch with a butane pocket torch. Sometimes they'll
imitate
> a ballistic missile!  Ready, aim, FIRE  "pop"!
>  Place ticks on the burner of a kerosene lamp and watch them do laps!
>  Pull off their legs on one side and watch them walk in circles.
>
>  Guinea hens and chickens love ticks...for supper.
>
> Hey, what's that little spot??? Oh  a Freckle whew!
>  Ken
>
>
> At 07:38 AM 6/29/01 EDT, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST, sam...@snowcrest.net writes:
> >
> ><< bj:   CS>A question of ticks and lyme
> > Date:  6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST
> > From:  sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne)
> > Reply-to:  sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne)
> > To:silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com, silver-list@eskimo.com
> (silver
> >list)
> >
> > Last week I was visiting my daughter about 30 miles East of
> >Sacramento.(California) We went for a walk with the kids and the dog.
After
> >we got back we found a tick on the dog.  Later that day while shopping a
> tick
> >fell off me.  After we got home Nancy found two ticks on her.  The next
> day I
> >found another one on me. Today, three days later and three showers later,
> >after I got home, I found two more on me.   Except for the first one they
> all
> >had a hold of me and were digging in.  The clothes I was wearing were not
> >even with me  in Sacramento.The questions are:
> > Where were those ticks for three days?
> > Do all ticks carry lyme?
> > If they do and one gets it what are the symptoms to watch for?  My
daughter
> >was concerned as there apparently are  ticks around her place this year.
I
> >told her I would try and get some info. for her as I know some of you
have
> >had to deal with lyme.
> > Thank you
> >
> > Joanne
> > I am posting this to both lists
> >  >>
> >
> >Joanne: I'm sure there are others much more knowledgeable than I, and I
may
> >be dead wrong as well, but here goes anyway. Those ticks could have
> >transferred themselves to other clothing, or your pets and back to your
body
> >during those three days, or been on your body the whole time. There's no
way
> >to know. If you can see the tick easily, i.e., its an eighth to a quarter
of
> >an inch in size, it is NOT a deer tick which is extremely small and very
> >difficult to see. It's the deer tick which carries Lyme disease and even
> >among deer ticks, only about 3% actually carry the Lyme bacteria.
> >Furthermore, even IF you HAD a Lyme infected deer tick on your body,
there
> is
> >no certainty, by any means, that it will infect you. However, one way to
> >PROMOTE infection from any tick, since all ticks carry infectious
bacteria,
> >is to attempt to remove it with a tweezers, or other means that induces
it
> to
> >regurgitate

Re: CS>A question of ticks and lyme

[Marshalee Hallett]

>  Lymes is pretty rare especially if you get that tick off within 3 hours.
> Usually one gets flu like symptoms and  the spreading rash or bullseye,
but
> not always.
>  Ken

Ah, come on, Ken, surely you`ve been on the List long enough to know it is
Lyme, not "Lymes" Disease! Named after a town, not a doctor.
 Then there`s Alzheimers, how many know the z is said like "ts" and not like
an English z?
And it is "Neander-tall" not "Neander-thal" even though it`s spelled that
way.
Arrgh...
Marshalee, (a language purist)


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Re: CS>A question of ticks and lyme

[Ode Coyote]

  The very small tick may or may not be a deer tick.  Adult deer ticks are
about an 8th inch. The tick 'nymph' or what we call a 'seed tick' is very
small. It's the same tick in a different stage of it's life cycle.
 Lymes is pretty rare especially if you get that tick off within 3 hours.
Usually one gets flu like symptoms and  the spreading rash or bullseye, but
not always.

 Also be aware of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever which can kill ya pretty quick.
 

 I always check for ticks several times after walking in the woods.
There's something that we locals call "tic paranoia", lasting hours to
days, where every little tickle promotes nudity and inspection. [more fun
in mixed company :-)]

If a dog gets a tick in its ear, the dog can be paralyzed till it's pulled
out. If the tick is allowed to drop off, you'll have "Sagans" [billions and
billions] of ticks around...starting with seed ticks.
 I don't know if dogs get or carry Lymes disease but it's a good idea to
de-tick them every day.

  As a former forestry worker, I've had ticks on me that were so thick that
the blue on my jeans was not visible and they had to be scraped off with a
knife before they dug in.  WAY FREAKY!!!

 Fun with ticks...
 They can run around on the bottom of a jar full of methonol for a long time.
 Lots of fun to touch with a butane pocket torch. Sometimes they'll imitate
a ballistic missile!  Ready, aim, FIRE  "pop"!
 Place ticks on the burner of a kerosene lamp and watch them do laps! 
 Pull off their legs on one side and watch them walk in circles.

 Guinea hens and chickens love ticks...for supper.

Hey, what's that little spot??? Oh  a Freckle whew!
 Ken


At 07:38 AM 6/29/01 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST, sam...@snowcrest.net writes:
>
><< bj:   CS>A question of ticks and lyme
> Date:  6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST
> From:  sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne)
> Reply-to:  sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne)
> To:silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com, silver-list@eskimo.com
(silver 
>list)
> 
> Last week I was visiting my daughter about 30 miles East of 
>Sacramento.(California) We went for a walk with the kids and the dog.  After 
>we got back we found a tick on the dog.  Later that day while shopping a
tick 
>fell off me.  After we got home Nancy found two ticks on her.  The next
day I 
>found another one on me. Today, three days later and three showers later, 
>after I got home, I found two more on me.   Except for the first one they
all 
>had a hold of me and were digging in.  The clothes I was wearing were not 
>even with me  in Sacramento.The questions are:
> Where were those ticks for three days?  
> Do all ticks carry lyme?
> If they do and one gets it what are the symptoms to watch for?  My daughter 
>was concerned as there apparently are  ticks around her place this year.  I 
>told her I would try and get some info. for her as I know some of you have 
>had to deal with lyme.
> Thank you
> 
> Joanne
> I am posting this to both lists
>  >>
>
>Joanne: I'm sure there are others much more knowledgeable than I, and I may 
>be dead wrong as well, but here goes anyway. Those ticks could have 
>transferred themselves to other clothing, or your pets and back to your body 
>during those three days, or been on your body the whole time. There's no way 
>to know. If you can see the tick easily, i.e., its an eighth to a quarter of 
>an inch in size, it is NOT a deer tick which is extremely small and very 
>difficult to see. It's the deer tick which carries Lyme disease and even 
>among deer ticks, only about 3% actually carry the Lyme bacteria. 
>Furthermore, even IF you HAD a Lyme infected deer tick on your body, there
is 
>no certainty, by any means, that it will infect you. However, one way to 
>PROMOTE infection from any tick, since all ticks carry infectious bacteria, 
>is to attempt to remove it with a tweezers, or other means that induces it
to 
>regurgitate bacterial containing fluids into your bloodstream. I would be 
>VERY cautious about removing a tick. If fact, have an expert do it. As far
as 
>your pets are concerned, my vet once told me it's far safer to allow them to 
>fall off rather then attempt to pull them off yourself. If you are infected 
>with Lyme bacteria, a bulls-eye shaped redness MAY appear around the bite. 
>Check with your doctor to get further help. Roger
>
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Re: CS>A question of ticks and lyme

[ROGALTMAN]

In a message dated 6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST, sam...@snowcrest.net writes:

<< bj:   CS>A question of ticks and lyme
 Date:  6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST
 From:  sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne)
 Reply-to:  sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne)
 To:silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com, silver-list@eskimo.com (silver 
list)
 
 Last week I was visiting my daughter about 30 miles East of 
Sacramento.(California) We went for a walk with the kids and the dog.  After 
we got back we found a tick on the dog.  Later that day while shopping a tick 
fell off me.  After we got home Nancy found two ticks on her.  The next day I 
found another one on me. Today, three days later and three showers later, 
after I got home, I found two more on me.   Except for the first one they all 
had a hold of me and were digging in.  The clothes I was wearing were not 
even with me  in Sacramento.The questions are:
 Where were those ticks for three days?  
 Do all ticks carry lyme?
 If they do and one gets it what are the symptoms to watch for?  My daughter 
was concerned as there apparently are  ticks around her place this year.  I 
told her I would try and get some info. for her as I know some of you have 
had to deal with lyme.
 Thank you
 
 Joanne
 I am posting this to both lists
  >>

Joanne: I'm sure there are others much more knowledgeable than I, and I may 
be dead wrong as well, but here goes anyway. Those ticks could have 
transferred themselves to other clothing, or your pets and back to your body 
during those three days, or been on your body the whole time. There's no way 
to know. If you can see the tick easily, i.e., its an eighth to a quarter of 
an inch in size, it is NOT a deer tick which is extremely small and very 
difficult to see. It's the deer tick which carries Lyme disease and even 
among deer ticks, only about 3% actually carry the Lyme bacteria. 
Furthermore, even IF you HAD a Lyme infected deer tick on your body, there is 
no certainty, by any means, that it will infect you. However, one way to 
PROMOTE infection from any tick, since all ticks carry infectious bacteria, 
is to attempt to remove it with a tweezers, or other means that induces it to 
regurgitate bacterial containing fluids into your bloodstream. I would be 
VERY cautious about removing a tick. If fact, have an expert do it. As far as 
your pets are concerned, my vet once told me it's far safer to allow them to 
fall off rather then attempt to pull them off yourself. If you are infected 
with Lyme bacteria, a bulls-eye shaped redness MAY appear around the bite. 
Check with your doctor to get further help. Roger


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re: CS: a question on MSM please

[Deborah IN TEXAS]

MSM (methylsulfonylmenthane) is a naturally- occurring source of organic 
sulfur with a high level of bioavailability and activity in the body.  MSM 
orginates in the upper atmosphere, falls to earth in rain water and is 
absorbed by plant life.

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Re: CS: a question on MSM please

[Charles King]

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:28:44 EDT, ppeon...@aol.com wrote:

>
>Hi Everyone, 
>
>Can anyone explain to me what MSM is? 
This info page will tell you:
http://www.all-natural.com/msm.html

best prices on the net available at 

http://www.dancingwolf-inc.com/

I take it in tablespoon doses so bulk price is important to me.

Chuck
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re: CS: a question on MSM please

[PPeonies]

Hi Everyone, 

Can anyone explain to me what MSM is? 
I have food allergies, and am interested to 
research its use to see if this is safe for me 
to take, with ms.  My small understanding 
of it is that our bodies make it.

Thank you for any direction anyone can 
pass on.

Victoria
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Re: CS>A Question

[EJohns9525]

In a message dated 7/1/99 10:26:18 AM Central Daylight Time, 
margie.f.ban...@stl.monsanto.com writes:

<<  have a stupid question.  What is MSM?  I hear a lot of people reference
 it, but what does the acronym stand for?
 
 Thanks
 
 Margie Bander
 Database Administration Team
 314-694-4947
 
  >>
http://www.oralchelation.com/msm/msm0.htm

edith


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