Error message after every email deletion

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUDL'ers,

TB! has recently started giving me these error messages as soon as I delete an
email. If I answer NO to the query, a second slightly different error message
pops up. If I once again answer no, that is the end of the error messages.
Anyone have and idea why this should be occurring?

-- 
TIA,
Jack LaRosa

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Error message

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Adrian & Rick,

Adrian, your suggestion is I'm sure a good one in that it gets all your
personally owned data out of the clutches of MS. I don't have a partitioned
disk however and would rather not undertake such a project in light of my
almost flawless record of screwing thing up. I think it's sufficient to have the
address book files stored in %appdata% where it seems they should reside.

Rick,  fortunately I won't have to try any of the things you suggested since I
was able to resolve the problem by doing the things outlined in my previous
email to Adrian.

Thanks to you both for the help.

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Jack LaRosa

:usflag: :alabamaflag: Central Alabama

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Re: Error message

[Adrian Godfrey]

Sunday, July 31, 2016, 9:11:58 PM, you wrote:

> Move your mail directory from APDATA to MY Documents

That  will  fix it, but why not go one step better and put it anywhere
that is not within the directory structure created by Windows itself?

I  have  mine on a separate partition from the Windows partition. I do
that  for all software (except the program itsel) as much as possible, but some 
have that dreaded
"My Documents" and others in Users/username hardcoded

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Re: Error message

[Rick]

> Hello Sam,

> On Saturday, July 30, 2016 you wrote:

SB>> Saturday, July 30, 2016, 10:31:02 AM, Jack wrote:

JSL>>> Curious, I did a search for my addressbook file. I found two that 
matched (sort
JSL>>> of) the file in question. One was C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\The
JSL>>> Bat!\ADDRBOOK.INI and the other was C:\Program Files (x86)\The
JSL>>> Bat!\jackADDRBOOK.INI. The most recent write to either file was the 
latter,
JSL>>> today, so I assume that's the working file. The last write to the former 
was way
JSL>>> back in Aug of 2015 so I don't think that's a valid file. I remember 
trying to
JSL>>> learn more about the address books some time ago and that file may have 
been one
JSL>>> I created in my learning quest. So much for cleaning up after yourself.

JSL>>> As a test, just now I changed the name of the
JSL>>> C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\The
JSL>>> Bat!\ADDRBOOK.INI file and then opened the address book while in TB!, 
made some
JSL>>> changes and then closed the address book without any difficulty. So, 
that, coupled
JSL>>> with the ancient write date leads me to believe that that file is not 
part of
JSL>>> the working TB!

SB>> So here's what I recommend, close TB!.
SB>> Copy the ADDRBOOK.INI from its location in Program Files to the location 
in AppData.
SB>> Open TB!.
SB>> Open the Address Book.
SB>> In the Address Book window, select the File menu, then select Load Address 
Book Set...
SB>> Browse to the location of the ADDRBOOK.INI in the AppData location (the one
SB>> that you just copied, so it should be up to date) and load that Address 
Book.
SB>> Hopefully now, TB! will continue to load that Address Book and you
SB>> shouldn't have any problems with write permissions.

> Well, I tried what you suggested, for quite a while to no avail. Some attempts
> resulted in an address book containing a single address which was to The Bat!
> Team. All my personal addresses were gone. No amount of copying the
> jackADDRBOOK.INI file to a couple of different locations and then loading
> from those locations ever resulted in my regaining my complete address book.
> Only when I loaded from the Program Files(x86) location would my addresses 
> come
> back.

> So, for the moment I'm giving up. I had already given the TB! shortcut
> permission to run as an administrator which solved the original problem in the
> first post.

> It's entirely possible I'm doing something wrong (as is my wont) but I'll 
> never
> know without further experimentation, which scares the squat out of me.

Jack
Move your mail directory from APDATA to MY Documents Restart the bat and mpint 
the mail directory to the new location. If there is ANY issue go to windows 
explorer and to your new mail folder and add yourself to the security lost with 
full permissions and propagate it to all items in the folder. You can zip up 
the original mail folder to the desktop for restoration in case something goes 
HORRIBLY WRONG
Which it won't but you have a path to step back ward

You probably will not have to add yourself to the permission list not take 
ownership of the folder
And yes, if you have permissions as ADMINISTRATOR or EVERYONE you should 
logically NOT have to add your account name with full permissions. Agreed. 
Microsoft Agrees. Yet it magically fixes just this type of issue

I have a small book of fixes that Microsoft swears you do not have to do yet 
when you do them, the issue magically disappears
-- 
Rick

Windows, , 10,, 0
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Re: Error message

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Adrian,

On Sunday, July 31, 2016 you wrote:

AG> Sunday, July 31, 2016, 5:03:24 PM, you wrote:

>> No amount of copying the
>> jackADDRBOOK.INI file to a couple of different locations and then loading
>> from those locations ever resulted in my regaining my complete address book.
>> Only when I loaded from the Program Files(x86) location would my addresses 
>> come
>> back.

AG> Try  this.  Login with administrator rights and modify the permissions
AG> on  that  jackADDRBOOK.INI  file  so that your normal Windows user can
AG> write to it.

Actually Adrian what I finally ended up doing was to move all my ill-named files
from the %appdata%\roaming folder and from the Program Files (x86) folder to a
temporary desktop folder so TB! couldn't find them. Then I took the
jackADDRBOOK.INI file and renamed it to simply ADDRBOOK.INI, and then renamed
the jack.abd file to The Bat.abd and I was eventually able to get all my
addresses to appear with only the necessary files now located in the
%appdata%\roaming folder accessible to TB!.

The final proof of success was to remove the administrator privileges from the
shortcut used to start TB! and still be able to open/close both TB! and the
address book without the error message which started this thread.

The windows-version macros still don't work but that is merely an annoyance.

Once again, my profound thanks to all who contributed their knowledge.

-- 
Regards,
Jack LaRosa
Central Alabama USA

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Re: Error message

[Adrian Godfrey]

Sunday, July 31, 2016, 5:03:24 PM, you wrote:

> No amount of copying the
> jackADDRBOOK.INI file to a couple of different locations and then loading
> from those locations ever resulted in my regaining my complete address book.
> Only when I loaded from the Program Files(x86) location would my addresses 
> come
> back.

Try  this.  Login with administrator rights and modify the permissions
on  that  jackADDRBOOK.INI  file  so that your normal Windows user can
write to it.

Adrian



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Re: Error message

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Sam,

On Saturday, July 30, 2016 you wrote:

SB> Saturday, July 30, 2016, 10:31:02 AM, Jack wrote:

JSL>> Curious, I did a search for my addressbook file. I found two that matched 
(sort
JSL>> of) the file in question. One was C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\The
JSL>> Bat!\ADDRBOOK.INI and the other was C:\Program Files (x86)\The
JSL>> Bat!\jackADDRBOOK.INI. The most recent write to either file was the 
latter,
JSL>> today, so I assume that's the working file. The last write to the former 
was way
JSL>> back in Aug of 2015 so I don't think that's a valid file. I remember 
trying to
JSL>> learn more about the address books some time ago and that file may have 
been one
JSL>> I created in my learning quest. So much for cleaning up after yourself.

JSL>> As a test, just now I changed the name of the
JSL>> C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\The
JSL>> Bat!\ADDRBOOK.INI file and then opened the address book while in TB!, 
made some
JSL>> changes and then closed the address book without any difficulty. So, 
that, coupled
JSL>> with the ancient write date leads me to believe that that file is not 
part of
JSL>> the working TB!

SB> So here's what I recommend, close TB!.
SB> Copy the ADDRBOOK.INI from its location in Program Files to the location in 
AppData.
SB> Open TB!.
SB> Open the Address Book.
SB> In the Address Book window, select the File menu, then select Load Address 
Book Set...
SB> Browse to the location of the ADDRBOOK.INI in the AppData location (the one
SB> that you just copied, so it should be up to date) and load that Address 
Book.
SB> Hopefully now, TB! will continue to load that Address Book and you
SB> shouldn't have any problems with write permissions.

Well, I tried what you suggested, for quite a while to no avail. Some attempts
resulted in an address book containing a single address which was to The Bat!
Team. All my personal addresses were gone. No amount of copying the
jackADDRBOOK.INI file to a couple of different locations and then loading
from those locations ever resulted in my regaining my complete address book.
Only when I loaded from the Program Files(x86) location would my addresses come
back.

So, for the moment I'm giving up. I had already given the TB! shortcut
permission to run as an administrator which solved the original problem in the
first post.

It's entirely possible I'm doing something wrong (as is my wont) but I'll never
know without further experimentation, which scares the squat out of me.

Nevertheless, I appreciate your help.

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Jack

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Re: Error message

[Adrian Godfrey]

Saturday, July 30, 2016, 6:03:56 PM, you wrote:

> So here's what I recommend, close TB!.
> Copy the ADDRBOOK.INI from its location in Program Files to the location in 
> AppData.
> Open TB!.

I   have   a   better idea. Put it in a directory you create yourself,
ideally on a different partition from the Windows partition, and
not in any of the directories created by Windows itself.

Adrian



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Re: Error message

[Sam Brown]

Saturday, July 30, 2016, 10:31:02 AM, Jack wrote:

JSL> Curious, I did a search for my addressbook file. I found two that matched 
(sort
JSL> of) the file in question. One was C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\The
JSL> Bat!\ADDRBOOK.INI and the other was C:\Program Files (x86)\The
JSL> Bat!\jackADDRBOOK.INI. The most recent write to either file was the latter,
JSL> today, so I assume that's the working file. The last write to the former 
was way
JSL> back in Aug of 2015 so I don't think that's a valid file. I remember 
trying to
JSL> learn more about the address books some time ago and that file may have 
been one
JSL> I created in my learning quest. So much for cleaning up after yourself.

JSL> As a test, just now I changed the name of the
JSL> C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\The
JSL> Bat!\ADDRBOOK.INI file and then opened the address book while in TB!, made 
some
JSL> changes and then closed the address book without any difficulty. So, that, 
coupled
JSL> with the ancient write date leads me to believe that that file is not part 
of
JSL> the working TB!

So here's what I recommend, close TB!.
Copy the ADDRBOOK.INI from its location in Program Files to the location in 
AppData.
Open TB!.
Open the Address Book.
In the Address Book window, select the File menu, then select Load Address Book 
Set...
Browse to the location of the ADDRBOOK.INI in the AppData location (the one 
that you just copied, so it should be up to date) and load that Address Book.
Hopefully now, TB! will continue to load that Address Book and you shouldn't 
have any problems with write permissions.

JSL> So you would be correct in your assumption that my address book is housed 
in the
JSL> Program Files (x86) folder where apparently you need administrator 
privileges to
JSL> write to that file. But, I'm now sure that it has always been in that 
folder and
JSL> yet I've never needed administrator privileges prior to upgrading to Win 
10.
JSL> Thank you so much Mr. Gates.

I believe the escelated privileges on the Program Files folders was added in 
Windows 8. Personally, I consider this a good thing, Program Files should only 
contain the files necessary to run applications. Data for an application should 
be stored in the Registry or in the current user's "home" directory. This is a 
very similar set up to the *nix operating systems. The added benefit is, when 
backing data up, you should only have to worry about backing up your user's 
home directory.

Good luck!

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Re: Error message

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Saturday, July 30, 2016 you wrote:

M> Hi

M> On Friday 29 July 2016 at 6:22:35 PM, in
M> , Adrian Godfrey wrote:

>> I  would  try  to  find out why TB on your PC even
>> wants administrator rights.

M> I suspect Jack would find it was just for the write permission to a
M> folder under the "C:\Program Files (x86)" directory. His
M> ADDRESSBOOK.INI is in his TB! program folder, mine is in my Mail
M> folder. Probably the file can be moved but I am not sure how to tell
M> TB! to look in the new location. Or if you try to save to a folder
M> where you don't have write permission, you can use an Administrator
M> password to permanently give you write permission (at least, that's
M> what happens for me with Windows 10).

Curious, I did a search for my addressbook file. I found two that matched (sort
of) the file in question. One was C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\The
Bat!\ADDRBOOK.INI and the other was C:\Program Files (x86)\The
Bat!\jackADDRBOOK.INI. The most recent write to either file was the latter,
today, so I assume that's the working file. The last write to the former was way
back in Aug of 2015 so I don't think that's a valid file. I remember trying to
learn more about the address books some time ago and that file may have been one
I created in my learning quest. So much for cleaning up after yourself.

As a test, just now I changed the name of the C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\The
Bat!\ADDRBOOK.INI file and then opened the address book while in TB!, made some
changes and then closed the address book without any difficulty. So, that, 
coupled
with the ancient write date leads me to believe that that file is not part of
the working TB!

So you would be correct in your assumption that my address book is housed in the
Program Files (x86) folder where apparently you need administrator privileges to
write to that file. But, I'm now sure that it has always been in that folder and
yet I've never needed administrator privileges prior to upgrading to Win 10.
Thank you so much Mr. Gates.







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Jack LaRosa
Central Alabama USA

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Re: Error message

[MFPA]

Hi


On Friday 29 July 2016 at 6:22:35 PM, in
, Adrian Godfrey wrote:


> I  would  try  to  find out why TB on your PC even
> wants administrator rights.

I suspect Jack would find it was just for the write permission to a
folder under the "C:\Program Files (x86)" directory. His
ADDRESSBOOK.INI is in his TB! program folder, mine is in my Mail
folder. Probably the file can be moved but I am not sure how to tell
TB! to look in the new location. Or if you try to save to a folder
where you don't have write permission, you can use an Administrator
password to permanently give you write permission (at least, that's
what happens for me with Windows 10).





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the other finds an excuse.

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Re: Error message

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Adrian,

On Friday, July 29, 2016 you wrote:

AG> Friday, July 29, 2016, 6:59:24 PM, you wrote:

>> (if I'm already an administrator, why wouldn't TB! run
>> properly?)

AG> I  would  try  to  find out why TB on your PC even wants administrator
AG> rights.

If I cared about it enough, I would. But I have several other problems, none
serious, just annoying, which cropped up when I "upgraded".

AG> I  don't  login with administrator rights or do "run as administrator"
AG> and  yet TB works on my Windows 7 Ultimate PC.

I never had to anything like that when I was running Win 7 so I guess MS, in
their infinite wisdom, decided we needed more protection from our own stupidity.

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Re: Error message

[Adrian Godfrey]

Friday, July 29, 2016, 6:59:24 PM, you wrote:

> (if I'm already an administrator, why wouldn't TB! run
> properly?)

I  would  try  to  find out why TB on your PC even wants administrator
rights.

I  don't  login with administrator rights or do "run as administrator"
and  yet TB works on my Windows 7 Ultimate PC.

My  Windows 10 PC (clean install NOT an "upgrade") is 2000 km away, so
I can't test what happens there as I write.

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Re: Error message

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Adrian,

On Friday, July 29, 2016 you wrote:

AG> Friday, July 29, 2016, 5:47:01 PM, you wrote:

>> I'm pretty sure
>> my Win 7 user account was as an administrator

AG> Nit  a good idea to login to Windows with administrator rights all the
AG> time.  Apart  from  actual  software  installs,  you  should look very
AG> critically  at  software  that  won't run without administrator rights
AG> after  it  has  been installed. Apart from CD burning software, almost
AG> nothing else should need administrator rights.

I was almost ready to change my account to administrator when I checked User
Accounts in Control Panel. It shows me as an administrator already, prompting 
yet
another brain meltdown (if I'm already an administrator, why wouldn't TB! run
properly?)

I queried the web about administrator accounts in Windows 10 and found this
interesting URL:
http://www.ghacks.net/2014/11/12/how-to-enable-the-hidden-windows-10-administrator-account/
It explained that there are two administrator accounts in Win 10, one of which
is not initially enabled. My account is the one that is enabled but gets UAC
prompts. The other one apparently does not. So, in the interest of safety I've
elected to tolerate the UAC prompts from now on and will not enable the other
administrator account.

Thanks for your help and concerns.

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Re: Error message

[Adrian Godfrey]

Friday, July 29, 2016, 5:47:01 PM, you wrote:

> I'm pretty sure
> my Win 7 user account was as an administrator

Nit  a good idea to login to Windows with administrator rights all the
time.  Apart  from  actual  software  installs,  you  should look very
critically  at  software  that  won't run without administrator rights
after  it  has  been installed. Apart from CD burning software, almost
nothing else should need administrator rights.

My  Windows  login  for Windows 7 Ultimate does NOT have administrator
rights and The Bat runs without problem.

I  have a clean install (I actually bought a licence) of Windows 10 on
a different PC, but I don't see using Windows 10 as primary OS anytime soon.

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Re: Error message

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Friday, July 29, 2016 you wrote:

M> Hi

M> On Thursday 28 July 2016 at 4:20:06 PM, in
M> , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> Anyone else experience this after going to Windows
>> 10

M> Not me, but I moved from an elderly and failing XP machine to a new 
M> box that came with Windows 10 (home, 64-bit) pre-installed.

>> what can be done about it?

M> Possibly a file permissions issue. Unless you are running (or running
M> TB!) as an Administrator, you may not be able to save to the
M> "C:\Program Files (x86)" directory or anywhere below it. Of course, if 
M> your mail folders are located there, this cannot be the problem.

Based on your email I tried running TB! as an administrator (I assumed my
account ranking had been copied over to Win 10) and the problem had disappeared.
So I set the shortcut properties to always run TB! as an administrator and that
part of the problem is solved.

>> The only other hiccup I've seen is that the Windows information macros no
>> longer work as you can see from my sig.

M> They work for me. It would be nice if their function could be extended
M> to display 32-bit or 64-bit after the version numbers (in my case,
M> 64-bit for both Windows and TB!).

Right now I'd settle for them running as they once did. Alas, even running TB!
as an administrator fails to correct the problem with (at least) those two
macros.

So, once again, my heartfelt thanks for the help.

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Central Alabama USA

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Re: Error message

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Sam,

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 you wrote:

SB> Thursday, July 28, 2016, 11:20:06 AM, Jack wrote:

JSL>> Well I finally made the leap to Win 10 before the cutoff date for the free
JSL>> upgrade (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) and it seems to have gone ok. Except -
JSL>> Whenever I try to close TB I get an error message which states:

JSL>> Cannot open file "C:\Program Files (x86)/The Bat!/jackADDRESSBOOK.INI

JSL>> Anyone else experience this after going to Windows 10, and if so, what 
can be
JSL>> done about it? The only other hiccup I've seen is that the Windows 
information
JSL>> macros no longer work as you can see from my sig.

SB> I'm not positive, but I'm guessing this is a permissions issue. The Program
SB> Files directories require special permissions to write into. If you click on
SB> your account in the tree in TB!, the pane that usually shows your email
SB> listing by folder will now show your acocunt settings. It'll list Program
SB> Mail Directory and Account Home Directory with Edit links on the far right.
SB> I think if change the Program Mail Directory to %APPDATA%\The Bat!\ that
SB> will point it to C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\The
SB> Bat!\. Once you've copied all your mail folders over to this directory, you
SB> can point your Account Home Directory(ies) appropriately.

In following your instructions I found that my settings were exactly as you
described, so that wasn't the problem.

In another post from MPFA he suggested that I might not be running TB! as an
administrator. To confirm, I right-clicked on the TB! .exe file and selected
"Run As Administrator" and sure enough, the problem disappeared. I'm pretty sure
my Win 7 user account was as an administrator so I never had to deal with a
problem like this. Apparently MS decided it was too dangerous for users to run
their computers as administrators and knocked everybody down a notch when they
switched to Win 10.

That said, the %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME, %WINDOWSCSDVERSION macros still refuse to
work.

In any event, thanks for helping.

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Jack LaRosa
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Re: Error message

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 28 July 2016 at 4:20:06 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


> Anyone else experience this after going to Windows
> 10

Not me, but I moved from an elderly and failing XP machine to a new 
box that came with Windows 10 (home, 64-bit) pre-installed. 


> what can be done about it?

Possibly a file permissions issue. Unless you are running (or running
TB!) as an Administrator, you may not be able to save to the
"C:\Program Files (x86)" directory or anywhere below it. Of course, if 
your mail folders are located there, this cannot be the problem.


> The only other hiccup I've seen is
> that the Windows information
> macros no longer work as you can see from my sig.  

They work for me. It would be nice if their function could be extended
to display 32-bit or 64-bit after the version numbers (in my case,
64-bit for both Windows and TB!).


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Re: Error message

[Sam Brown]

Thursday, July 28, 2016, 11:20:06 AM, Jack wrote:

JSL> Well I finally made the leap to Win 10 before the cutoff date for the free
JSL> upgrade (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) and it seems to have gone ok. Except -
JSL> Whenever I try to close TB I get an error message which states:

JSL> Cannot open file "C:\Program Files (x86)/The Bat!/jackADDRESSBOOK.INI

JSL> Anyone else experience this after going to Windows 10, and if so, what can 
be
JSL> done about it? The only other hiccup I've seen is that the Windows 
information
JSL> macros no longer work as you can see from my sig.

I'm not positive, but I'm guessing this is a permissions issue. The Program 
Files directories require special permissions to write into. If you click on 
your account in the tree in TB!, the pane that usually shows your email listing 
by folder will now show your acocunt settings. It'll list Program Mail 
Directory and Account Home Directory with Edit links on the far right. I think 
if change the Program Mail Directory to %APPDATA%\The Bat!\ that will point it 
to C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\The Bat!\. Once you've 
copied all your mail folders over to this directory, you can point your Account 
Home Directory(ies) appropriately.

Of course, back everything up before attempting this.

I'm just pulling this from memory, so if anyone else can confirm or fix what 
I've suggested...?

Good luck!

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Error message

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUDL'ers,

Well I finally made the leap to Win 10 before the cutoff date for the free
upgrade (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) and it seems to have gone ok. Except -
Whenever I try to close TB I get an error message which states:

Cannot open file "C:\Program Files (x86)/The Bat!/jackADDRESSBOOK.INI

I click OK and TB! closes.

Or - If I open the address book and try to close it, I get the same message.
Clicking OK closes the error dialog box and then I have to click the red X again
to close the address book.

I re-installed my version 6.0.12 using the "repair" option but it made no
difference.

Anyone else experience this after going to Windows 10, and if so, what can be
done about it? The only other hiccup I've seen is that the Windows information
macros no longer work as you can see from my sig.

-- 
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Jack LaRosa

:usflag: :alabamaflag: Central Alabama

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OS:


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Re: Access Violation error message

[Bill McQuillan]

On Tue, 2015-04-07, Fred wrote:
>> I only get them on the odd occasion.

> That's my experience -- I get a message such as that every once in a while,
> but I don't worry too much about it. With Windows, "It's Not All Ones and
> Zeros" anyway... :-)

I also get this, very occasionally, and the once or twice that I
investigated the stack traceback that was produced, it seemed
that The Bat! had called a Windows kernel procedure that was the
actual source of the offending instruction. I figured this
absolved The Bat! and looked no further.

I was pleased, however, upon restarting The Bat! that no data
seemed to have been lost.

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Re: Access Violation error message

[Fred]

> I only get them on the odd occasion.

That's my experience -- I get a message such as that every once in a while,
but I don't worry too much about it. With Windows, "It's Not All Ones and
Zeros" anyway... :-)

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Re: Access Violation error message

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 6 April 2015 at 5:01:37 PM, in
, Rick wrote:


> I get a similar AV about 70% of the time  

I only get them on the odd occasion.


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Re: Access Violation error message

[Rick]

> Hi, everyone, 

> Shutting down The Bat, I received an error message that read as follows:


> "Access violation at address 01105125 in module 'TheBat.exe'. Read of 
> address 0008."

> The Bat did shut down.  Why did I get this error message?

I get a similar AV about 70% of the time

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Access Violation error message

[Achdut18]

Hi, everyone, 

Shutting down The Bat, I received an error message that read as follows:


"Access violation at address 01105125 in module 'TheBat.exe'. Read of 
address 0008."

The Bat did shut down.  Why did I get this error message?

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curious error message

[Achdut18]

Hi,

When I open up The Bat, I get the following error message:

PostMessage to NULL handle, Msg = 3021, wParam = 0, lParam = o

The Bat seems to operate fine, otherwise (except for filtering issue reported 
earlier, that I haven't yet dealt with).

Any ideas as to what is causing this?  Need I be concerned?

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks
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Re: Strange error message

[Lynn]

On 3/24/2012, you wrote:

> I'm not sure whether it will help you, but I experience the same problem
> although under different circumstances.

> I run Mozy as an online backup system, and when it is running, it seems to
> lock my message files (although it is not supposed to). If I download email
> while the backup is running, I get a similar message about not being able to
> store message, with the same sort of file name. These files also disappear so
> that I am unable to do something constructive like manually import them at a
> later time.

> Perhaps something is preventing access to the message files of this particular
> account?

Well,  you  are the first who has seen anything like this,
so it is encouraging from that point of view.

I   can't   imagine  what  it  might  be  here,  though  -
particularly  since  only  ONE  account is being affected.
The others are fine.

But ... I will poke around. That sounds like it *might* be
a clue!

Many thanks for the input!

Best -


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Re: Strange error message

[Robin Anson]

On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 at 13:55:06 -0700,Lynn wrote:
> On 3/17/2012, you wrote:
>
L>>> The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L>>> name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L>>> characters.

<...snip...>

> It seems to be deleting it after the fact.

I'm not sure whether it will help you, but I experience the same problem
although under different circumstances.

I run Mozy as an online backup system, and when it is running, it seems to
lock my message files (although it is not supposed to). If I download email
while the backup is running, I get a similar message about not being able to
store message, with the same sort of file name. These files also disappear so
that I am unable to do something constructive like manually import them at a
later time.

Perhaps something is preventing access to the message files of this particular
account?
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Re: Strange error message

[Lynn]

On 3/23/2012, you wrote:

> I guess they aren't created in the first place. You could try if
> ProcessMonitor works on Wine. Then you could monitor The Bat! and
> check which files it attemps to write and if there are any error
> messages.

I'll see what I can find.

> As the other accounts work and these are POP3 as well check for any
> differences in the account settings. Mainly the Options where the home
> directory is set might be of interest.

All  at  default ... the only real differences (apart from
transport) are in the security - this account has less.

But   ...   I'll  look  them  over  again,  and  check the
processmonitor.

There has to be SOMETHING.

Thanks for the input -

Best -

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Re: Strange error message

[Raymund Tump]

Hi Lynn,

> On 3/23/2012, you wrote:

L>> The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L>> name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L>> characters.

> The  frustrating  thing  (apart  from  the  other accounts
> working  perfectly),  is that these bat*.tmp files seem to
> be  deleted  immediately  after  the  failed  fetch ..

I guess they aren't created in the first place. You could try if
ProcessMonitor works on Wine. Then you could monitor The Bat! and
check which files it attemps to write and if there are any error
messages.

As the other accounts work and these are POP3 as well check for any
differences in the account settings. Mainly the Options where the home
directory is set might be of interest.

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Re: Strange error message

[Lynn]

On 3/23/2012, you wrote:

L> The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L> name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L> characters.
>> So .. no one has any idea at all why this is happening?

> No, sorry. On Windows I'd continue looking on what files TheBat is
> trying to write, but I have no idea how to do that with Linux.

> (As usual, with Windows, you get service. With Linux, you're on your
> own. )

Yeah,  I  know  -  except  it is a TB! message, internally
generated, not a Linux or Wine message. So .. I really had
hoped someone would recognize it :-/

The  frustrating  thing  (apart  from  the  other accounts
working  perfectly),  is that these bat*.tmp files seem to
be  deleted  immediately  after  the  failed  fetch ..  so
apparently  the  evidence is being destroyed! That is, the
directory  is  empty  ...  clearly it has a nice, reliable
cleanup routine going here :-)

Best -

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Re: Strange error message

[Alto Speckhardt]

Hello Lynn,


L The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L characters.
> So .. no one has any idea at all why this is happening?

No, sorry. On Windows I'd continue looking on what files TheBat is 
trying to write, but I have no idea how to do that with Linux.

(As usual, with Windows, you get service. With Linux, you're on your 
own. )


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Re: Strange error message

[Lynn]

On 3/22/2012, you wrote:

>> ???  You  are  WAY  ahead  of me here. I looked at the man
>> page, but ... Just do chmod 777 in that directory?

> I  would  TRY  that. I may be way off base and if it still won't write
> after  doing that it is something else for sure (Just remember the old
> settings so you can go back to where you were)

Right. Will give it a shot.

Desperate times call for desperate measures ;-)

Thanks -

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Re: Strange error message

[Rick]

> ???  You  are  WAY  ahead  of me here. I looked at the man
> page, but ... Just do chmod 777 in that directory?

I  would  TRY  that. I may be way off base and if it still won't write
after  doing that it is something else for sure (Just remember the old
settings so you can go back to where you were)



-- 
Rick
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out,
But when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is a 
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Re: Strange error message

[Lynn]

On 3/22/2012, you wrote:

>> On 3/22/2012, you wrote:

 On 3/22/2012, you wrote:

L>>> The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L>>> name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L>>> characters.

>> [snip begging]

 tia - 

>>> What are the permissions on that folder?

>> The same as the others - default.

>> If you mean the account folders ..?

>> Thanks -

> c:\users\lynn\temp\ is that set so the program to write to it.

I  don't   know   about   the  program,  but  *I* have all
permissions.  And the other accounts are working fine.

In fact, I was messing around with Wine, trying to get
something else to run, and when I reopened TB!, it was
showing new messages in bold. I knew it should be doing
something to show new messages, but I couldn't remember
what.

Unfortunately I have no clue what I did :-/

> This is just a thought - I am NO expert.

Any thoughts are welcome. Seriously, I'm totally stumped.

> CHMOD it to 755 (or better to test)

???  You  are  WAY  ahead  of me here. I looked at the man
page, but ... Just do chmod 777 in that directory?

Again, thanks .. 

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Re: Strange error message

[Rick]

> On 3/22/2012, you wrote:

>>> On 3/22/2012, you wrote:

L>> The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L>> name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L>> characters.

> [snip begging]

>>> tia - 

>> What are the permissions on that folder?

> The same as the others - default.

> If you mean the account folders ..?

> Thanks -

c:\users\lynn\temp\ is that set so the program to write to it. This is
just  a  thought - I am NO expert. CHMOD it to 755 (or better to test)
and see if it can write to that folder

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light and manufactured time. There is no battle. There is no good versus evil. 
There is only the flux and the pulse of existence, creation, expansion and 
contraction in an endless dance, signifying nothing, inventing everything.
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Re: Strange error message

[Lynn]

On 3/22/2012, you wrote:

>> On 3/22/2012, you wrote:

L> The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L> name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L> characters.

[snip begging]

>> tia - 

> What are the permissions on that folder?

The same as the others - default.

If you mean the account folders ..?

Thanks -

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Re: Strange error message

[Rick]

> On 3/22/2012, you wrote:

L The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L characters.

> So .. no one has any idea at all why this is happening?

> [snip]

>> Unless  the  fact  that the POP server is defined as an ip
>> would be causing a problem?

> This is not it, fwtw.

>> There is an exceptions log, if that would be of use?

> Does anyone have an idea where I can go or who I can ask?

> The  message  is  being  generated  in TB!, surely someone
> knows something?

> tia - 

What are the permissions on that folder?

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go; so also your concepts and various identities.  Even if you follow any 
religion in the hope of obtaining something permanent from the outside, you 
will be sorely disappointed.  The main purpose of true spirituality is to 
liberate oneself completely from one's concepts and conditionings."
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Re: Strange error message

[Lynn]

On 3/22/2012, you wrote:

L>>> The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L>>> name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L>>> characters.

So .. no one has any idea at all why this is happening?

[snip]

> Unless  the  fact  that the POP server is defined as an ip
> would be causing a problem?

This is not it, fwtw.

> There is an exceptions log, if that would be of use?

Does anyone have an idea where I can go or who I can ask?

The  message  is  being  generated  in TB!, surely someone
knows something?

tia - 


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Re: Strange error message

[Lynn]

On 3/17/2012, you wrote:

> I too have switched my systems from Windows to Linux (using Xubuntu
> 10.04.4) and am still using TB! but not via Wine, which I've never
> installed. Instead, I installed Oracle's VirtualBox program, created
> virtual machines, loaded my Windows into the VMs, and run TB in that
> virtual machine.

> Given adequate RAM (I'm running 2 GB) and CPU (hyperthreaded Pentium 4
> here) performance of TB! is equal to what it was under native WinXP, and
> there's no problem of compatibility at all. Setting up the virtual machine
> took a little time, particularly in the area of making sure the internet
> connections worked properly, but once established, it runs error-free.

That sounds VERY attractive, but at this stage of the game
I don't have the first clue how to begin.

I  expect  I  do have the resources; I'm running on a Dell
Inspiron laptop with a 2Gz dual core Pentium CPU and 4G of
RAM.

> An additional advantage is that I can access TB! from any machine on my
> LAN, via the RDP server built into VirtualBox. In fact I'm posting this
> reply from another box using that capability.

I  don't  actually need that capability, but I can see how
it might be useful to some.

And  maybe  it  would run some apps I'd like to keep which
(according  to  the  Wine community) do NOT run in Wine. I
really  need to be able to run Corel, too; Inkscape does a
lot, but not everything I need.

Where Linux is concerned, I am truly 'only an egg'. I will
eventually get up to speed, but I don't suppose it will
happen overnight.

Thank  you for offering another option, though. I am happy
to  run  with native applications if they can use my data,
but  there  are  some  things  that  just don't seem to be
available,  so it will be necessary to keep some Win apps.
I'll keep this, and I may come back to you.

Best -

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Re: Strange error message

[Lynn]

On 3/17/2012, you wrote:

L>> The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L>> name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L>> characters.

> Is TheBat perhaps writing a cache file named "bat!.tmp", which
> contains a non-low-ASCII character, which fails on Wine?

That   could   be,  but  I  have  no idea how to find out.
There  is  no  such  file that I can find in any directory
under TheBat!, or under Wine that has a .tmp extension.

It seems to be deleting it after the fact.

But  what  I  really  don't  understand  is  why  this  is
happening  in  *this* account, but not in the others. They
are  all  defined  as POP. The others have more security on
them, but that's the only difference I can see.

Unless  the  fact  that the POP server is defined as an ip
would be causing a problem?

There is an exceptions log, if that would be of use?

> What file system are you using in Wine?

I don't know how to find that out, either.

I have left the Wine configuration strictly alone, because
I don't understand any of it's controls. The only thing I
changed on it was to stipulate Win7 as the OS. On looking
again, I can't find anything in the config that stipulates
a file system.

L>> Oh  ... I'd like to know whether TB! is a 32 bit or 64 bit
L>> app - I looked on the site, but couldn't find it. tia.

> It's 32 bit.

Thanks.

And  thanks  for  asking questions I can't answer, but can
seek  answers  for :-) Eventually I'll learn this stuff. I
learned DOS with a much more limited background :-)

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Re: Strange error message

[Jim Kyle]

On Saturday, March 17, 2012, at 3:13:48 AM, Lynn wrote:

> I fully expected to have to give up TheBat! after all these years of
> dependency, but I was thrilled to find it loaded perfectly in Wine
> (v1.3.30, if anyone is interested).

I too have switched my systems from Windows to Linux (using Xubuntu
10.04.4) and am still using TB! but not via Wine, which I've never
installed. Instead, I installed Oracle's VirtualBox program, created
virtual machines, loaded my Windows into the VMs, and run TB in that
virtual machine.

Given adequate RAM (I'm running 2 GB) and CPU (hyperthreaded Pentium 4
here) performance of TB! is equal to what it was under native WinXP, and
there's no problem of compatibility at all. Setting up the virtual machine
took a little time, particularly in the area of making sure the internet
connections worked properly, but once established, it runs error-free.

An additional advantage is that I can access TB! from any machine on my
LAN, via the RDP server built into VirtualBox. In fact I'm posting this
reply from another box using that capability.

-- 
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Re: Strange error message

[Alto Speckhardt]

Hi,


L> The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L> name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L> characters.

Is TheBat perhaps writing a cache file named "bat!.tmp", which 
contains a non-low-ASCII character, which fails on Wine?

What file system are you using in Wine?


L> Oh  ... I'd like to know whether TB! is a 32 bit or 64 bit
L> app - I looked on the site, but couldn't find it. tia.

It's 32 bit.


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Strange error message

[Lynn]

Hi Batters -

I  recently  migrated from Win7 to Linux. I fully expected
to  have  to  give  up  TheBat!  after  all these years of
dependency, but I was thrilled to find it loaded perfectly
in Wine (v1.3.30, if anyone is interested). I loaded up my
isp  account  and  my  several gmail accounts, and held my
breath  and pushed the fetch button. They all responded as
expected.  I  tested  send,  and  had  transport  in  both
directions. Home free, right?

Then I tried to load my personal account from my personal
mail server, which runs Dovecot. I loaded it up, and when
I told it to fetch, nothing happened. I loaded it to POP,
like the others. On doing some testing, I found to my fury
that Thundebird fetched it fine.

I. Can't. Live. With. Thunderbird. Especially not when all
the rest of the accounts work fine in TB!.

There are 1,900+ messages parked on that server, and
apparently TB! can see them, because it counts them off as
it goes, but it doesn't bring them to the inbox.

The  error messages show in the bottom log bar, but not in
the account log.

The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
characters.

And,  when  it  is  finished  not fetching the messages it
counts off:

FETCH - Failed to store all received the messages into the message base. 
Downloaded 1956 messages, stored 0 message(s).

I'm  stumped.  My  Linux  mentors are stumped. I know that
RitLabs does't support Linux or Wine, but this seems to be
a TB! error. And I know that there are a few rogue batters
who are successfully running TB! in Wine.

And I'm praying to the cyber gods that there is at least
ONE person here, or perhaps someone who can point me to
someone, or a place, where I can find out how to fix this.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can shed some light - .

Oh  ... I'd like to know whether TB! is a 32 bit or 64 bit
app - I looked on the site, but couldn't find it. tia.

Best -

-- 
Lynn
:Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag:

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Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"

[Amy J. Schneider]

As it turns out, the question is all moot. I'm going to be switching to a 
new, better provider tomorrow, and I've also begun migrating to Thunderbird 
(and did get some help with connecting that from my host). Not just because 
of this glitch -- I had other concerns and "broken" stuff in The Bat and 
this just kind of tipped me into finally switching to TB. Sorry, but it's 
just not intuitive for me, and I'm usually pretty comfortable with 
adjusting software settings. Just couldn't afford the time to tinker and 
troubleshoot anymore.

Thanks for all of your help and info, I really do appreciate it. Best 
wishes to everyone.

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Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 13 January 2011 at 3:34:30 AM, in
, Amy J. Schneider wrote:


>> Maybe the new owner of the ISP has a different policy
>> about relaying  email, or about what settings are
>> required (port numbers,  authentication, etc.) - is
>> there any help with email settings on their  customer
>> website?

> Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but this is not the
> ISP's e-mail. 

OK...

>  The e-mail I am trying to send in via
> my permanent e-mail account on my own domain,
> featherschneider.com, which I own. The server is
> operated my my web hosting company, not my ISP. And my
> webmail (again, via my hosting company, not the ISP)
> works just fine.

> I truly don't understand how the cellular company could
> affect my e-mail account. 

Your outgoing mail travels over your ISPs network when it leaves your 
computer before it reaches your hosting company's servers. Some ISPs 
block outgoing email that isn't relayed via their own servers. I 
couldn't tell you what error message you would encounter, or if it 
would just be failure to connect to the server - I have never had  an 
ISP that did that. Check with your hosting company if anything is 
wrong their end, or if you need to adjust any settings following the 
ISP change.



On Thursday 13 January 2011 at 9:35:19 AM, in
, Amy J. Schneider wrote:


>>>> "Message has not been sent. Server reply:
>>>>  No such user here."

M>> In this example, is "" the address
M>> you are sending  the message to or from?

> Sorry, I see that I missed this question. This is the
> address that I  am sending TO. It is always a valid
> address, and when I send via my  webmail, it goes
> through just fine, I get a reply from the person,  etc. 

Is the error message from your web hosting company's server every
time?


-- 
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MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com

I think not, said Descartes, and promptly disappeared

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Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"

[Amy J. Schneider]

>>> "Message has not been sent. Server reply:
>>>  No such user here."

M> In this example, is "" the address you are sending 
M> the message to or from?

Sorry, I see that I missed this question. This is the address that I 
am sending TO. It is always a valid address, and when I send via my 
webmail, it goes through just fine, I get a reply from the person, 
etc.

-- 
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Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"

[Amy J. Schneider]

> Maybe the new owner of the ISP has a different policy about relaying 
> email, or about what settings are required (port numbers, 
> authentication, etc.) - is there any help with email settings on their 
> customer website?

Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but this is not the ISP's e-mail. As far as 
I know, I have never even had an e-mail address with them. This is a 
cellular broadband service provider. My Internet is provided via a USB data 
stick. The e-mail I am trying to send in via my permanent e-mail account on 
my own domain, featherschneider.com, which I own. The server is operated my 
my web hosting company, not my ISP. And my webmail (again, via my hosting 
company, not the ISP) works just fine.

I truly don't understand how the cellular company could affect my e-mail 
account. If you could explain it in "for dummies" language, that would be 
great. In any case, there is no support at this time. Their Web site has 
only a support form and they are not answering calls or e-mails or 
returning messages. Thousands of people have nonworking phones and/or no 
Internet access. It's a huge mess. You can see for yourself by Googling 
"Element Mobile" or visiting their web site. They have no clue what's going 
on.

--
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Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 12 January 2011 at 9:58:35 PM, in
, Amy J. Schneider wrote:


>> > Suddenly The Bat won't allow me to send e-mail. No
>> matter what (valid) > address I select from my address
>> book, when I try to send I get this  > error:

>> > "Message has not been sent. Server reply:
>>  No such  > user here."

In this example, is "" the address you are sending 
the message to or from?




> The only change that has occurred is this (And I just
> realized that the first problem message came after this
> happened): My broadband cellular Internet provider
> changed hands Saturday morning at midnight,

[...]

> However, the webmail on my domain works just fine. And
> The Bat receives mail normally.

Maybe the new owner of the ISP has a different policy about relaying 
email, or about what settings are required (port numbers, 
authentication, etc.) - is there any help with email settings on their 
customer website?

-- 
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MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com

A closed mouth gathers no foot

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re: Re[2]: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"

[Amy J. Schneider]

> maybe they could change setting of server, try to open account 
properties,
> section Transport, hit Authentication of SMTP server button and change
> setting there, if it helps.

Not sure which one you mean. I tried checking/unchecking both checkboxes, 
top and bottom, all permutations. Tried "Use specific settings" and entered 
my exact same e-mail password. Didn't try "Require secure authentication," 
but if regular authentication isn't working, I don't see how this could 
help. Still getting the same error.

--
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Re[2]: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Wednesday, January 12, 2011, Amy J. Schneider wrote:

> The only change that has occurred is this (And I just realized that the
> first problem message came after this happened): My broadband cellular 
> Internet provider changed hands Saturday morning at midnight, and at that 
> point about 80,000 cell phone/Internet customers lost service. My data 
> stick stopped working, and I got a loaner on Sunday afternoon. A tech did 
> come here to set it up, but to the best of my knowledge he did not mess 
> with my e-mail settings; I was present while he worked, and he never asked 
> me for e-mail settings. (I own my own domain, featherschneider.com.) 
> Customer service is still not available (hence 80,000 unhappy customers), 
> so I can't go there for help. I have, however, gotten out of my contract 
> and will keep this loaner card on the old network until I can sign up with 
> a new provider on Friday. Perhaps I should wait until that conversion is 
> complete and see if the problem remains.

maybe they could change setting of server, try to open account properties,
section Transport, hit Authentication of SMTP server button and change
setting there, if it helps.

-- 

Bye

Marek Mikus
Czech support of The Bat!
http://www.thebat.cz

Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.127 BETA
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Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"

[Amy J. Schneider]

> > Suddenly The Bat won't allow me to send e-mail. No matter what (valid)
> > address I select from my address book, when I try to send I get this 
> > error:
> 
> > "Message has not been sent. Server reply:  No such 
> > user here."
> 
> > I just downloaded the most recent version and no problem. Any advice?
> 
> did You changed anything in authentication setting in account?
> 
> or did not changed something your SMTP server provider? did You asked
> administrator of server to help You with this?
> 
> I had same problem with Outlook in past too, so I do not expect, this is
> related directly to The Bat!, but to configuration on client or server.

The only change that has occurred is this (And I just realized that the 
first problem message came after this happened): My broadband cellular 
Internet provider changed hands Saturday morning at midnight, and at that 
point about 80,000 cell phone/Internet customers lost service. My data 
stick stopped working, and I got a loaner on Sunday afternoon. A tech did 
come here to set it up, but to the best of my knowledge he did not mess 
with my e-mail settings; I was present while he worked, and he never asked 
me for e-mail settings. (I own my own domain, featherschneider.com.) 
Customer service is still not available (hence 80,000 unhappy customers), 
so I can't go there for help. I have, however, gotten out of my contract 
and will keep this loaner card on the old network until I can sign up with 
a new provider on Friday. Perhaps I should wait until that conversion is 
complete and see if the problem remains.

However, the webmail on my domain works just fine. And The Bat receives 
mail normally.

--
Amy Schneider

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Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"

[Rick]

> (I hope I've formatted this message correctly. Last time I asked for
> help I got thumped for not formatting the message just so. Thus I have
> been reluctant to ask for help.

Don't  be afraid to ask for help - and we have all been thumped at one
time or another - they don't hit very hard :)

While  I  can't  address  your  main  problem,  I  can  help  with the
"thumpings"  Post under quoted text, use a delimiter in your sig  and don't use 
HTML unless doing so
illustrated a problem will keep most of the heat away.

I  use the following template in the my address book entry for a REPLY
to  TBUDL.  You would get rid of the "quotes" for a new message and of
course  replace  my  name  and  my  mail  account name.
I hope it helps you be more active on the list

>>>
%QUOTES
%CURSOR
-- 
Rick

v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %-
%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER
%WINDOWSCSDVERSION
%SetEditor="1"
%SINGLERE 
%ACCOUNT="Google GROUPMAIL"
<<
-- 
Rick
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV 
will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein

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Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Wednesday, January 12, 2011, Amy J. Schneider wrote:

> Suddenly The Bat won't allow me to send e-mail. No matter what (valid)
> address I select from my address book, when I try to send I get this 
> error:

> "Message has not been sent. Server reply:  No such 
> user here."

> I just downloaded the most recent version and no problem. Any advice?

did You changed anything in authentication setting in account?

or did not changed something your SMTP server provider? did You asked
administrator of server to help You with this?

I had same problem with Outlook in past too, so I do not expect, this is
related directly to The Bat!, but to configuration on client or server.

-- 

Bye

Marek Mikus
Czech support of The Bat!
http://www.thebat.cz

Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.127 BETA
under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 
with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1
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Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"

[Amy J. Schneider]

Greetings --

Suddenly The Bat won't allow me to send e-mail. No matter what (valid) 
address I select from my address book, when I try to send I get this 
error:

"Message has not been sent. Server reply:  No such 
user here."

I just downloaded the most recent version and no problem. Any advice?

(I hope I've formatted this message correctly. Last time I asked for
help I got thumped for not formatting the message just so. Thus I have
been reluctant to ask for help. But this new glitch makes the program
all but unusable. I have been thinking about switching to
Thunderbird.)

--
Amy Schneider

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Can't connect with TLS but error message seems wrong

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I have an account that requires I connect to the POP server using TLS
to the dedicated port (995). It has been working fine for a long time,
but suddenly it won't connect and I get an error message that the
certificate has expired.

However, the account log shows the following:

 12/23/2010, 11:46:28: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 12/23/2010, 11:46:28: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
>12/23/2010, 11:46:29: FETCH - Certificate S/N: E866A98DE7ACA3AB, algorithm: 
>RSA (1024 bits), issued from 8/17/2010 11:11:06 AM to 8/17/2011 11:11:06 AM, 
>for 1 host(s): sydmail01.commandhub.net.
>12/23/2010, 11:46:29: FETCH - Owner: AU, NSW, Sydney, Commandhub, Operations, 
>sydmail01.commandhub.net, operati...@commadhub.com.
>12/23/2010, 11:46:29: FETCH - Root: AU, NSW, Sydney, Commandhub, Operations, 
>sydmail01.commandhub.net, operati...@commadhub.com
!12/23/2010, 11:46:29: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server 
certificate (This certificate has expired).

which makes it appear that the certificate is still valid.

Needless to say people using Outlook can connect without problems, and
I set up Thunderbird and it connects. I merely had to accept that it
was a self-signed certificate (so the root was not trusted
automatically).

The people that run the server cannot see a problem.

My laptop clock is correct.

The only possible (long shot) source of a problem is that about the
time I started experiencing this problem I had updated AVG Free to the
latest version. At the time the problem started I was using AVG's
proxy servers, but even going directly to the POP server the problem
remains.

Has anyone else experienced this?
Does anyone have any ideas of how to get more information about the
problems?

-- 
Robin

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Re: Motel error message

[jlarosa]

 "Jernej Simončič"  wrote: 
> On Sunday, October 31, 2010, 14:59:10, Jim Kyle wrote:

> The message is pretty clear that the server will not accept traffic from an
> IP that's not assigned to Charter, so if the motel uses some other ISP,
> there's no way to get around it.

Actually, there might be - try enabling SMTP authentication, many ISPs
allow you to send the message then.

Alas no combination of tics at ACCOUNT>PROPERTIES>SEND MAIL(Authentication) 
would allow me to send mail.  I guess I'll just have to continue using the 
Charter server from Firefox.  Inelegant, true, but it gets the job done.

My thanks to all who tried to help.

Jack


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Re: Motel error message

[Jernej Simončič]

On Sunday, October 31, 2010, 14:59:10, Jim Kyle wrote:

> The message is pretty clear that the server will not accept traffic from an
> IP that's not assigned to Charter, so if the motel uses some other ISP,
> there's no way to get around it.

Actually, there might be - try enabling SMTP authentication, many ISPs
allow you to send the message then.

-- 
< Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://eternallybored.org/ >

You no sooner get your head above water than someone pulls your flippers off.
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Re: Motel error message

[Jim Kyle]

 Test for On---
On Sunday, October 31, 2010, at 8:10:36 AM, jlar...@charter.net wrote:

> Anybody have any idea what this means and how I can get past it?

The message is pretty clear that the server will not accept traffic from an
IP that's not assigned to Charter, so if the motel uses some other ISP,
there's no way to get around it. If sending an Email is urgent, you might
try using a webmail interface instead of TB -- or opening a gmail or other
account that WOULD accept traffic from the motel's ISP.

-- 
Jim Kyle

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Motel error message

[jlarosa]

Mornin' Bats!

I have the misfortune to be stuck in a motel for the next several days and am 
communicating via a threadbare data cable provided by the motel.  This place is 
too old to have WIFI.  Anyway, I tried to use TB! and found that I had no 
trouble fetching messages but when I tried to SEND a message I got the 
following response from TB!:

!10/30/2010, 21:16:48: SEND  - Server reports it is not ready, reply: "imp10 
smtp.charter.net MjA5LjE1NS4xNzcuMjUy You must connect from Charter IP space.  
E1110" 

Anybody have any idea what this means and how I can get past it?

TIA,
Jack


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Re: Error message - Comodo

[Paul Berger]

Hello tb...@thebat.,

Saturday, September 25, 2010, 2:41:54 PM, you wrote:

...

JSL> Interesting.  Is Vipre also a firewall?  I've never heard of it.  I
JSL> used to run ZoneAlarm for a firewall and free AVG for an anti-virus
JSL> but since I built this computer I was never able to get ZoneAlarm to
JSL> work properly.  In looking around for a replacement for ZoneAlarm I
JSL> stumbled across Comodo.  Since it has an anti-virus built-in, I never
JSL> installed free AVG.  I don't really like Comodo, it's too intrusive
JSL> although that probably could be tempered if I took the time to learn
JSL> how to configure it properly.

I use Comodo as a firewall only. It is intrusive, always asking you
permission for any software to access the internet. But fortunately it
remembers and learns, so it gets easier as you go on.

Good luck!




-- 



Paul

-
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Re: Error message - Comodo

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Gary,

On Friday, September 24, 2010 you wrote:

GO> On a different topic - I used Comodo for quite a while.  Is a
GO> memory pig and had some odd behaviors, though my recall is fuzzy.
GO> Moved to Vipre months ago.  Am quite satisfied with its features
GO> and performance.  Vipre integrates well with the Bat!  for
GO> anti-virus.

GO> Regards,
GO> Gary Odom
GO> g...@waterfire.us
GO> Friday, September 24, 2010 2:52:51 PM
GO> The Bat! version 4.2.36.4
GO> OS = Windows XP 5.1

GO> Friday, September 24, 2010, 2:52:51 PM, Jack wrote:

>> Hello MFPA,

>> On Friday, September 24, 2010 you wrote:

M>>> Hi


M>>> On Friday 24 September 2010 at 5:43:56 PM, in
M>>> , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


 Anyone have any idea how I might have brought this
 plague upon myself and what I might do to cure it?  

M>>> Have you maybe updated your anti-virus, and the new version has 
M>>> different defaults?

>> Good question.  I'm using the anti-virus that's built in to Comodo and
>> would have no idea where or how Comodo and TB! connect.  But I'll look
>> around.

>> Thanks.
GO> 
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Interesting.  Is Vipre also a firewall?  I've never heard of it.  I
used to run ZoneAlarm for a firewall and free AVG for an anti-virus
but since I built this computer I was never able to get ZoneAlarm to
work properly.  In looking around for a replacement for ZoneAlarm I
stumbled across Comodo.  Since it has an anti-virus built-in, I never
installed free AVG.  I don't really like Comodo, it's too intrusive
although that probably could be tempered if I took the time to learn
how to configure it properly.

-- 
Jack LaRosa

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Re[2]: Error message - Comodo

[Gary Odom]

On a different topic - I used Comodo for quite a while. Is a memory pig and had 
some odd behaviors, though my recall is fuzzy. Moved to Vipre months ago. Am 
quite satisfied with its features and performance. Vipre integrates well with 
the Bat! for anti-virus.

Regards,
Gary Odom
g...@waterfire.us
Friday, September 24, 2010 2:52:51 PM
The Bat! version 4.2.36.4
OS = Windows XP 5.1

Friday, September 24, 2010, 2:52:51 PM, Jack wrote:

> Hello MFPA,

> On Friday, September 24, 2010 you wrote:

M>> Hi


M>> On Friday 24 September 2010 at 5:43:56 PM, in
M>> , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


>>> Anyone have any idea how I might have brought this
>>> plague upon myself and what I might do to cure it?  

M>> Have you maybe updated your anti-virus, and the new version has 
M>> different defaults?

> Good question.  I'm using the anti-virus that's built in to Comodo and
> would have no idea where or how Comodo and TB! connect.  But I'll look
> around.

> Thanks.

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Re: Error message

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Friday, September 24, 2010 you wrote:

M> Hi


M> On Friday 24 September 2010 at 5:43:56 PM, in
M> , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


>> Anyone have any idea how I might have brought this
>> plague upon myself and what I might do to cure it?  

M> Have you maybe updated your anti-virus, and the new version has 
M> different defaults?

Good question.  I'm using the anti-virus that's built in to Comodo and
would have no idea where or how Comodo and TB! connect.  But I'll look
around.

Thanks.

-- 
Jack LaRosa

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Re: Error message

[MFPA]

Hi


On Friday 24 September 2010 at 5:43:56 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


> Anyone have any idea how I might have brought this
> plague upon myself and what I might do to cure it?  

Have you maybe updated your anti-virus, and the new version has 
different defaults?




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Error message

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Greetings,

Lately I have been getting this message
(image: http://clip2net.com/s/xH1n) every time I attach a file to an
email.  I'm not sure when it started but it's beginning to get
annoying.

Anyone have any idea how I might have brought this plague upon myself
and what I might do to cure it?

-- 
TIA,
Jack LaRosa

Using The Bat! ver: 4.2.36.4.
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Re: Error Message

[Hans Henrik Scheel]

Hello Thomas and List,

Sunday, August 1, 2010, 7:55:59 PM, Thomas wrote:

> Hello Marek,

> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:41:47 +0200 GMT (01/Aug/10, 23:41 PM +0700 GMT),
> Marek Mikus wrote:

>>> Sometime (I could not find a pattern yet), I receive the following
>>> error message when starting or when closing TB!:

MM>> did not You tried to start TB twice?

> When I closed TB! and started it again, I didn't get the error message.

> When I start TB! while it's already running, I will just be directed
> to the already running instance.


"PostMessage to NULL handle, Msg = 3021, wParam = 0, |Param=0" showed
up on start-up of TB! today.
Like you I didn't get the error message when I closed and started TB! again.

Today's lines of ex_log.txt are:
v4.2.36.4 BAILAMOS/Hyd 12-08-2010 10:30:21 ABCGrid:6 EAddrBookDuplicate 
Duplicate handle

v4.2.36.4 BAILAMOS/Hyd 12-08-2010 10:39:31 ABCGrid:6 EAddrBookDuplicate 
Duplicate handle

And no, "PostMessage to NULL handle, Msg = 3021, wParam = 0, |Param
=0" is not present in ex_log.txt for today.

"EAddrBookDuplicate" is a regular occurrence in the log (so I should maybe look 
into that) but the error message is new.
I have this, though:
v4.2.36.4 BAILAMOS/Hyd 22-06-2010 14:08:34 Finder:Searching 
\\catch-...@hyd.dk\e-zines\biozonen EPostMessageZeroHandle PostMessage to NULL 
handle, Msg = 3039, wParam = 3, lParam = 13
...and two similar ones, both containing "Finder:Searching".

Any solutions or good advice?

 Hans Henrik 



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Re: Error Message

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Marek,

On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:41:47 +0200 GMT (01/Aug/10, 23:41 PM +0700 GMT),
Marek Mikus wrote:

>> Sometime (I could not find a pattern yet), I receive the following
>> error message when starting or when closing TB!:

MM> did not You tried to start TB twice?

When I closed TB! and started it again, I didn't get the error message.

When I start TB! while it's already running, I will just be directed
to the already running instance.

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Re: Error Message

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Sunday, August 1, 2010, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello List,

> Sometime (I could not find a pattern yet), I receive the following
> error message when starting or when closing TB!:

did not You tried to start TB twice?

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Error Message

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello List,

Sometime (I could not find a pattern yet), I receive the following
error message when starting or when closing TB!:

Post Message to NULL handle, Msg = 3021, |Param = 0
[OK]

The last lines from ex_log.txt look as follows:

v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 09/Jun/10 21:43:07 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 09/Jun/10 21:43:07 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 09/Jun/10 21:43:09 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 09/Jun/10 21:43:10 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 14/Jun/10 21:58:28 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 14/Jun/10 21:58:28 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 14/Jun/10 21:58:29 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 14/Jun/10 21:58:30 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 17/Jun/10 7:21:22 AM MsgCtl:13 EInvalidPointer Invalid pointer 
operation
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 18/Jun/10 20:43:05 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 02/Jul/10 22:37:49 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 05/Jul/10 1:35:29 AM CmdLine:TCmdLineQueueThread.Execute 
EPostMessageZeroHandle PostMessage to NULL handle, Msg = 3021, wParam = 0, 
lParam = 0
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 20/Jul/10 21:17:52 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 20/Jul/10 21:19:03 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 23/Jul/10 20:44:55 PM jpgd:1 EAbort Operation aborted
v4.2.33.9 ICE/hp 26/Jul/10 1:42:46 AM CmdLine:TCmdLineQueueThread.Execute 
EPostMessageZeroHandle PostMessage to NULL handle, Msg = 3021, wParam = 0, 
lParam = 0

Note that today's exception is not listed.

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Re: System error message after running for a long while

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 at 14:18:36 +0100, MAU wrote:> Hello Robin,
>
>> After TB! has been running for more than about 10 hours, I get the following
>> error message when it tries to connect to any of my POP accounts. After a
>> reboot the system works perfectly well again.
>>
>> !18/12/2008, 17:55:49: FETCH - System Error.  Code: 8.  Not enough
>> storage is available to process this command
>>
>> It does not seem to have always been present with this version of TB!
>> (although I cannot guarantee that).
>>
>> Anyone else seen this? Any ideas about fixing it?
>
> The error text seems to suggest that you may be running out of disk 
> space. Have you checked this recently?

No, I have 21 GB of free space on the system drive and 51 GB of free space
on my data drive.

> Have you 'cleaned' your 'temp' folder recently?

It gets cleaned at boot up, so there is not much accumulating in it.
Furthermore if I reboot TB! the problem goes away and that doesn't change
the temp folder.

It seems more like a memory leak or some sort of internal space problem, but
TB! doesn't seem to be using a lot of memory (at least not based on the
Windows Task Manager Mem Usage figure.

> Can't think of anything else.

Nor can I. But thanks for the thoughts.
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Re: System error message after running for a long while

[Rick]

> Hello Robin,

>> After TB! has been running for more than about 10 hours, I get the following
>> error message when it tries to connect to any of my POP accounts. After a
>> reboot the system works perfectly well again.
>>
>> !18/12/2008, 17:55:49: FETCH - System Error.  Code: 8.  Not enough
>> storage is available to process this command
>>
>> It does not seem to have always been present with this version of TB!
>> (although I cannot guarantee that).
>>
>> Anyone else seen this? Any ideas about fixing it?

> The error text seems to suggest that you may be running out of disk 
> space. Have you checked this recently? Have you 'cleaned' your 'temp' 
> folder recently? Can't think of anything else.

If you aren't real sure about how to "clean up" try this utility
http://www.stevengould.org/index.php?Itemid=70&id=28&option=com_content&task=view
Download menu is on the left and it's free. Run it in demo mode first
to see how much you will be cleaning up. It will warn you if you run
it with a browser open but you can do that with no problems. It
suggests logging off at the end - you don't need to do that unless
privacy is a big issue as that only cleans the last couple of files.

Next Make sure you have cleaned up within the Bat and RUN THE
MAINTENANCE CENTER!! That will fix folders and compress them.

Next START / RUN chkdsk   - note how many errors. if there are a
gazillion you are facing serious hardware problems. if none or just
3-4 the  do START / RUN CHKDSK /F
The /F paramater will fix the issues. Go to supper as this will take a
while.

Next Optimize the drive. If you don't have anything else use the built
in windows defragmenter. Take a coffee break. It will take a while

The next thing is to open more virtual memory but get this far first

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Re: System error message after running for a long while

[MAU]

Hello Robin,

> After TB! has been running for more than about 10 hours, I get the following
> error message when it tries to connect to any of my POP accounts. After a
> reboot the system works perfectly well again.
>
> !18/12/2008, 17:55:49: FETCH - System Error.  Code: 8.  Not enough
> storage is available to process this command
>
> It does not seem to have always been present with this version of TB!
> (although I cannot guarantee that).
>
> Anyone else seen this? Any ideas about fixing it?

The error text seems to suggest that you may be running out of disk 
space. Have you checked this recently? Have you 'cleaned' your 'temp' 
folder recently? Can't think of anything else.

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Re: System error message after running for a long while

[Nick Dutton]

Hello Robin,

On Thursday, December 18, 2008, you wrote:
RA> After TB! has been running for more than about 10 hours, I get the following
RA> error message when it tries to connect to any of my POP accounts. After a
RA> reboot the system works perfectly well again.

RA> !18/12/2008, 17:55:49: FETCH - System Error.  Code: 8.  Not
RA> enough storage is available to process this command

RA> It does not seem to have always been present with this version of TB!
RA> (although I cannot guarantee that).

RA> Anyone else seen this? Any ideas about fixing it?

I've come across this in the past, with other applications.

The Microsoft support forums have plenty of these messages.  Perhaps
one of those threads will give you a clue?

Here's one:
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/sqldatabaseengine/thread/1536b610-e548-40c1-b9d0-1be3ad19a823/

Someone responds:
> "Not enough storage is available to process this command" is the
> clue here.  You might have exhausted your (virtual) memory or it's
> badly fragmented.  Either throw more memory at it by turning on /3GB
> or defrag the system disk (where ever your page file is).



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System error message after running for a long while

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

After TB! has been running for more than about 10 hours, I get the following
error message when it tries to connect to any of my POP accounts. After a
reboot the system works perfectly well again.

!18/12/2008, 17:55:49: FETCH - System Error.  Code: 8.  Not enough storage is 
available to process this command

It does not seem to have always been present with this version of TB!
(although I cannot guarantee that).

Anyone else seen this? Any ideas about fixing it?



Robin
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Re: Error message concerning message(s) in v.4.0.24

[Jens Franik]

am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 um 15:13 schrieb Hans Henrik Scheel:

> It seems the error is not related to The Bat!, but a usb hard-disk.

If you have builtin Card Readers, i would suggest you to try to mount
them into Folders of an NTFS Partition (System/Management/Harddisk -
delete Character assigned to Harddisk and add an Mountpoint instead).

This way i have lots of Error which are gone forever...

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Re: Error message concerning message(s) in v.4.0.24

[Hans Henrik Scheel]

Hello List,

It seems the error is not related to The Bat!, but a usb hard-disk.
But strangely enough it can be provoked by fetching mail to my main account 
(but none of the others).
 
Sorry for any inconvenience :-)

 Hans Henrik 

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Monday, July 7, 2008, 3:51:51 PM, I wrote:

> Hello List.

> I get the following message constantly right now:
> Windows - No disk [or words to that effect in Danish. This is the title of 
> the error message]

> Exception Processing Message c013 Parameters 75b4bf7c 4 75b4bf7c 75b4bf7c


> Any clues? 

> I've begun tidying up in the folders; setting up maximum number of
> days/number of mails, "Remove old messages" and "Compressing the folder".
> This'll keep me occupied a while (20 accounts and loads of
> folders), but will it get rid of the error?

>  Hans Henrik 

> ---
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Error message concerning message(s) in v.4.0.24

[Hans Henrik Scheel]

Hello List.

I get the following message constantly right now:
Windows - No disk [or words to that effect in Danish. This is the title of the 
error message]

Exception Processing Message c013 Parameters 75b4bf7c 4 75b4bf7c 75b4bf7c 


Any clues? 

I've begun tidying up in the folders; setting up maximum number of days/number 
of mails, "Remove old messages" and "Compressing the folder".
This'll keep me occupied a while (20 accounts and loads of folders), but will 
it get rid of the error?

 Hans Henrik 

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Re: Error message "redirect: voyager.exe - application error"

[pkr.bat]

Hello bat lovers

seems my this post has not reached you all..
so repeating it again

Wednesday, September 26, 2007, 8:27:11 PM, you wrote:

> Hello ,

> First post, at times the incoming message triggers the voyager
> to for installation CD of Office 2003. Even after supplying the
> same, it goes into a loop. The error message is enclosed
> (bat_error.png). If this particular message is somehow deleted it goes into
> Trash Folder, does not create any problem. If attempt is made to
> delete it from trash, the same problem is encountered. Otherwise no
> issues. The message which has this problem is often with attachment or
> even without attachment. Apparently from the error message it looks like
> a memory related problem. But it is happening very rarely, prompting me to
> think that its really not a memory problem.

> Can somebody please throw some light ?
>   




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Error message "redirect: voyager.exe - application error"

[pkr.bat]

Hello ,

First post, at times the incoming message triggers the voyager
to for installation CD of Office 2003. Even after supplying the
same, it goes into a loop. The error message is enclosed
(bat_error.png). If this particular message is somehow deleted it goes into
Trash Folder, does not create any problem. If attempt is made to
delete it from trash, the same problem is encountered. Otherwise no
issues. The message which has this problem is often with attachment or
even without attachment. Apparently from the error message it looks like
a memory related problem. But it is happening very rarely, prompting me to
think that its really not a memory problem.

Can somebody please throw some light ?
  

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Error message on fetch

[Jenny Zonneveld]

Hello there,

Since yesterday I keep getting an error message on a fetch mail command if the 
mail box is empty - well most of the time. Here is an extract from the log -can 
anyone enlighten me as to the cause - then I know what to say to my provider!

>  29/12/2005, 00:02:07: FETCH - receiving mail messages
>  29/12/2005, 00:02:07: FETCH - connected to POP3 server
>  29/12/2005, 00:02:07: FETCH - authenticated (plain)
>  29/12/2005, 00:02:08: FETCH - 67 messages in the mailbox, 0 new
>  29/12/2005, 00:02:11: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received
>  29/12/2005, 00:09:07: FETCH - receiving mail messages
> !29/12/2005, 00:09:07: FETCH - Connection to host broken (last commands sent 
> were: "", "")

Many thanks

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Re: Sending mail error message

[Darrin Rich]

Hi Roelof,
On 8/2/2004 1:38 AM my time, Roelof wrote:
RO> Was it a large attachment?


Yes, It was a rather large attachment.
 
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Re: Sending mail error message

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Darrin,

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:27:00 -0700GMT (2-8-2004, 2:27 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

DR>   I was trying to send a attachment by email and recieved this error.
DR>   http://tinyurl.com/6qrun
DR>   What does this mean?

It means that you should try it again. It looks like the communication
with the server went out of sync.
Was it a large attachment?
 

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Sending mail error message

[Darrin Rich]

Hello,

  I was trying to send a attachment by email and recieved this error.
  http://tinyurl.com/6qrun
  What does this mean?
  :idunno:

 
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Re: Error Message on Sending Email via SMTP

[Wolffe]

On Tuesday, July 20, 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] stated:


P> I have been getting frequent error messages from couple of SMTP
P> servers I use.  The message says the following:

P> 'Server Reports Error. The response is: Enter mail.  End with "." on a
P> line by itself.'

P> If I mess with some of the content it goes ok but I am not sure what
P> it is I am doing to make it work.

P> Has anyone else seen this??  Thanks.

 I've recently seen the same error message. But for me it was a bad
 network day. The broadband was lagging so much that the mail server
 timed out in the middle of my sending a large email. Two hours later
 the connection was clear again and I resent the message without a
 problem.
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Re: Error Message on Sending Email via SMTP

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Peter,

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:18:10 -0700GMT (20-7-2004, 23:18 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

PC> 'Server Reports Error. The response is: Enter mail.  End with "." on a
PC> line by itself.'

TB expects the number 354 in front of that text.The server probably
gives that signal, since it wouldn't work any other way with any other
client. The fact that you don't always get those signals point to the
possiblities of you having a bad connection with your ISP or that
you're running an smtp proxy that's a tad out of sync with the
servers.

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Error Message on Sending Email via SMTP

[Peter Chiou]

I have been getting frequent error messages from couple of SMTP
servers I use.  The message says the following:

'Server Reports Error. The response is: Enter mail.  End with "." on a
line by itself.'

If I mess with some of the content it goes ok but I am not sure what
it is I am doing to make it work.

Has anyone else seen this??  Thanks.

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Error message List index out of bound

[cs4l]

Hello,

Using TB 2.10.03, XP

I have an error message "List index out of bound(1)"
when I scroll through the message list with the vertical arrows.
This is not systematic, but at least once a day.
The message appears only once, but then the icons that show the attached files
disappear in the small window at the left of the message text.
I know there is something attached because the left window exists.
I can select the attachement with the mouse but I do it completely blind since
nothing shows on the screen.
If I open the message in a separate window, then the attachement show correctly
in the left window.

Is this a known bug? I looked in the archives but could not find anything.

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Re: Relaying denied error message?

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Nick,

Thursday, June 24, 2004, 3:46:12 PM, you wrote:
Nick> Thanks for your response. I didn't get a chance to use your
Nick> suggestion. I did get the send to start working by wiping out
Nick> the user name and password and forcing TB! to ask for them. This
Nick> ended up working, but I'm not sure why. The next time I just
Nick> ticked the box that asked (something like) "update settings".
Nick> Since then, everything has worked.

Hmmm. That makes me think you had the wrong username in there. But who
knows! 

Glad it's working.



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Re[2]: Relaying denied error message?

[Nick OHare]

Hello Leif,

Thursday, June 24, 2004, 11:23:15 AM, you wrote:
LG> Most likely you forgot to set your SMTP authentication.
LG> Set it to "POP before SMTP" to see if that fixes it.
LG> If not, set it to authenticate, and check the box that says use
LG> settings from mail retrieval.

Thanks for your response.  I didn't get a chance to use your
suggestion.  I did get the send to start working by wiping out the
user name and password and forcing TB! to ask for them.  This ended up
working, but I'm not sure why.  The next time I just ticked the box
that asked (something like) "update settings".  Since then, everything
has worked.

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Re: Relaying denied error message?

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Nick,

Thursday, June 24, 2004, 9:07:18 AM, you wrote:
Nick> Did I miss an important option while reinstalling.
Nick> Thank you for any suggestions or solutions.

Most likely you forgot to set your SMTP authentication.

Set it to "POP before SMTP" to see if that fixes it.

If not, set it to authenticate, and check the box that says use
settings from mail retrieval.




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Relaying denied error message?

[Nick OHare]

Hi All,

After suffering a crash I was forced to reinstall TB! and am now
having a problem sending mail (downloading is no problem).  I keep
getting an error message from the server saying that the messages
can't be sent because "relaying denied".

Did I miss an important option while reinstalling.

Thank you for any suggestions or solutions.

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 Nick



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Re: Plain Text Windows - Clickable URLs (Was Re[2]: Error message from Help screen)

[Maggie]

Hello Urban and y'all,

Sorry to follow on myself, but...

M> The issue seemed to be my typing in or cutpasting a link where
M> moving the cursor over it did not show it as a live link,

M> For this email I have changed to the Plain Text editor (Windows
M> proportional).

M> Here is a typed-in address:
M> http://www.swan.ac.uk/classics/staff/ter/grst/big.htm

M> Here is a copy and pasted address:
M> http://anzwers.org/free/universe/

M> On my screen these links do not show as live/clickable. As I
M> mentioned, the Message Format is Plain Text Windows.

I can see when reading my own message sent to the list that the links are indeed 
clickable. So, go figure.  I received email from a correspondent that said the links 
were not clickable, I cannot see that they are clickable when I am creating the 
message, and yet they show perfectly normal when reading the list...  
Doo-dah--doo-dah-doo-dah --- twilight zone.
-- 

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Plain Text Windows - Clickable URLs (Was Re[2]: Error message from Help screen)

[Maggie]

Hello Urban,

I've tried to rename the subject to reflect the evolution of the thread. :)

Wednesday, June 9, 2004, 1:44:08 PM, Urban wrote:

U> In a plain text message the links just "are", there's no need
U> to indicate that it's a link. In HTML, on the other hand, you have to
U> say that what you mean to be a link really is a link.

>> That's where my unclickable links were showing. I 'spoke' to Allie
>> about this and he was not seeing the same thing I was reporting about
>> this.

U> Your link showed fine here, and the only way I could manage to make it
U> unshowable was to use the HTML-editor and send a non-linked URL. So I am
U> as baffled as anyone else as to the reason why it acts as it does.

I have decided to continue to use the old reliable MicroEd.
>> I had not realized that the other editors did not wrap the text the
>> way I created it, wrapping to the window instead.

U> Maybe it's a wrapping thing. Have you tried to shorten it trough
U> something like http://www.makeashorterlink.com ?

No. I didn't mean needing to shorten the link. The wrapping I meant was that of the 
lines of text. They are wrapped to the window in html pages so if you resize the 
window the text fills the available space. Shortening the link was not the problem for 
me (this time, anyway!) but thank you for that web page. 8-) 

The issue seemed to be my typing in or cutpasting a link where moving the cursor over 
it did not show it as a live link, athough it began with the http... nor did it show 
as blue which color links are in my defaults.

For this email I have changed to the Plain Text editor (Windows proportional). I am 
going to type an address for the first example, then paste a copied address to show 
you what I mean.

Here is a typed-in address:
http://www.swan.ac.uk/classics/staff/ter/grst/big.htm

Here is a copy and pasted address:
http://anzwers.org/free/universe/

On my screen these links do not show as live/clickable. As I mentioned, the Message 
Format is Plain Text Windows. If I were in the HTML Editor I would have copied the 
link, then pasted it into the Add Hyperlink button on the toolbar or simply typed it 
in to the special window Fm_UrlLink (what an interesting name, what could it mean?) 
There is no button bar in Plain Text Windows. Under the Edit Mail Message window, in 
the Edit dropdown, they maybe could put in a Paste As Hyperlink...

So the unsolved question of how do I make the links clickable, is one reason I'm back 
to MicroEd. The other reason is the textwrapping Allie told me about.

It would be great to see some discussion in The Bat! Help about the 'consequences' 
(for lack of a better word seniormoment) of using the different settings in the 
Options|Preferences|Editor/Viewer and perhaps even some hints for the untutored about 
not using the html editor when sending messages to mailing lists. 

This original thread talked about the Help error message. If RitLabs is still updating 
the help, now might be a good window of opportunity for them to include this. 8-)

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 Maggie



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Re: Error message from Help screen

[Urban]

Wednesday, June 9, 2004, Maggie wrote:

> Yes. I see how to accomplish that in the HTML editor, but how to do
> this in the Plain Text (Windows Proportional)??

You can't. In a plain text message the links just "are", there's no need
to indicate that it's a link. In HTML, on the other hand, you have to
say that what you mean to be a link really is a link.

> That's where my unclickable links were showing. I 'spoke' to Allie
> about this and he was not seeing the same thing I was reporting about
> this.

Your link showed fine here, and the only way I could manage to make it
unshowable was to use the HTML-editor and send a non-linked URL. So I am
as baffled as anyone else as to the reason why it acts as it does.

> Despite enjoying the ability to select and drag text around the window
> to different areas and all the other wonderful editing bells and
> whistles, I have decided to continue to use the old reliable MicroEd.
> I had not realized that the other editors did not wrap the text the
> way I created it, wrapping to the window instead.

Maybe it's a wrapping thing. Have you tried to shorten it trough
something like http://www.makeashorterlink.com ?

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Re[3]: Error message from Help screen

[Plan9]

Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 10:47:52 PM, Maggie wrote:

M> Despite enjoying the ability to select and drag text around the
M> window to different areas and all the other wonderful editing bells
M> and whistles, I have decided to continue to use the old reliable
M> MicroEd. I had not realized that the other editors did not wrap the
M> text the way I created it, wrapping to the window instead.

I too have settled on MicroEd because it it "mostly" what you see is
what everybody gets with a few exceptions.  Being the lowest common
denominator among editors in TB! can be a plus.

M> There will be emails where I use the new features (Tables!
M> Italics!) but not many, and not to this List for sure. 8-)) 

"and not to this List for sure. 8-))"  Good decision.  :-)

-- 
Regards,
 Plan9
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Re[2]: Error message from Help screen

[Maggie]

Hello Urban,

Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 2:59:29 PM, you wrote:

>> "Add Hyperlink" is where? Is it in the Edit Mail Message window? I
>> looked under Utilities|Attach Files| and did not see it there.

U> In the Edit Mail Message Window, there is a row of icons; select font
U> and size and such thing. (If you don't see it, make sure you are in the
U> HTML-editor, then go to the View menu and check HTML Toolbar.) In this
U> row there is an icon that looks like a globe and a paper clip -- that's
U> the one.

Yes. I see how to accomplish that in the HTML editor, but how to do this in the Plain 
Text (Windows Proportional)?? That's where my unclickable links were showing. I 
'spoke' to Allie about this and he was not seeing the same thing I was reporting about 
this. 

Despite enjoying the ability to select and drag text around the window to different 
areas and all the other wonderful editing bells and whistles, I have decided to 
continue to use the old reliable MicroEd. I had not realized that the other editors 
did not wrap the text the way I created it, wrapping to the window instead. 

There will be emails where I use the new features (Tables! Italics!) but not many, and 
not to this List for sure. 8-)) 
-- 
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 Maggie

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Re: Error message from Help screen

[Urban]

Tuesday, June 8, 2004, Maggie wrote:

> "Add Hyperlink" is where? Is it in the Edit Mail Message window? I
> looked under Utilities|Attach Files| and did not see it there.

In the Edit Mail Message Window, there is a row of icons; select font
and size and such thing. (If you don't see it, make sure you are in the
HTML-editor, then go to the View menu and check HTML Toolbar.) In this
row there is an icon that looks like a globe and a paper clip -- that's
the one.

-- 
Urban

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Re[2]: Error message from Help screen

[Maggie]

Hello Urban,

Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 12:05:00 PM, you wrote:

U> Tuesday, June 8, 2004, Maggie wrote:

A>>> Did you send the message in HTML or plain text format?

>> This is possibly the crux. I sent the link yesterday when we were
>> going back and forth witht he various HTML/Plain Text changes, so I do
>> not know. Is there a way to find out?

U> Send messages to yourself, using the different editors, then read the
U> messages using the different users.
U> But to save you the trouble I just did that, 

Thanks!

U> and found that if you send
U> using the HTML-editor you must add hyperlinks using the "Add hyperlink"
U> icon if the HTML-viewer is to see them as a hyperlink otherwise it
U> thinks they are plain text.

Thank you!  "Add Hyperlink" is where? Is it in the Edit Mail Message window? I looked 
under Utilities|Attach Files| and did not see it there. 8-(
Somewhere else maybe?
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 Maggie



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Re: Error message from Help screen

[Urban]

Tuesday, June 8, 2004, Maggie wrote:

A>> Did you send the message in HTML or plain text format?

> This is possibly the crux. I sent the link yesterday when we were
> going back and forth witht he various HTML/Plain Text changes, so I do
> not know. Is there a way to find out?

Send messages to yourself, using the different editors, then read the
messages using the different users.
But to save you the trouble I just did that, and found that if you send
using the HTML-editor you must add hyperlinks using the "Add hyperlink"
icon if the HTML-viewer is to see them as a hyperlink otherwise it
thinks they are plain text.

-- 
Urban

Julius Caesar extinguished himself on the battlefields of Gaul. The Ides
of March murdered him because they thought he was going to be made king.
Dying, he gasped out: "Tee hee, Brutus."


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