Re[4]: Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error [SOLVED]
Ta-dah! I've found the cause and thought I should share with community and developers, so here goes. Many thanks to all that responded with ideas, too! It turns out that during some aspect of the upgrade process from 1.53d through 1.60h to 1.60j (current), and/or deleting my Inbox - Known folder, *some* of my existing mail filters lost their criteria. It's not clumsy keyboard use I know, because it was a random minority of a few of my filters, no obvious pattern, and I have about eight filters in total of which most were unaffected. The upshot is that the first filter that had lost its matching criterion simply funnelled all inbound mail into the target folder. Put the criteria back in place, sorted out my inbox, and we're all back to normal. Maybe just a glitch during upgrade, but thought I should mention. -- Best regards, James. Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[3]: Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error
Jonathan, JA Not sure if this is helpful... Have you made sure that you have JA the Continue processing set? I cannot remember the full name. It JA may have become switched off some how... and as soon as it hits JA that rule, it has no reason to continue processing. The problem is actually that everything gets moved by a single filter that only actually matches a tiny portion of the matched messages, so it's not the continue processing that needs to be on. Thanks for the tip all the same! I've had some suggestions to try one of the betas, so I'll post a message here once I see how it goes. -- Best regards, James Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[3]: Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error
On Sun, 5 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan, JA Not sure if this is helpful... Have you made sure that you have JA the Continue processing set? I cannot remember the full name. It JA may have become switched off some how... and as soon as it hits JA that rule, it has no reason to continue processing. The problem is actually that everything gets moved by a single filter that only actually matches a tiny portion of the matched messages, so it's not the continue processing that needs to be on. Thanks for the tip all the same! I've had some suggestions to try one of the betas, so I'll post a message here once I see how it goes. Just another quick idea... move one of your other filters (or create a temp filter) above that single filter that is moving everything into one folder. See what happens then. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: separate Inbox-Known for each address book
Hello John. At 1:03 PM on Friday, May 03, 2002 you wrote the following about [separate Inbox-Known for each address book]: John I've split my address book into two - work folks and John personal folks. Can I make an Inbox - Known rule for John each address book? I believe you can. Check properties/incoming filters to name your AB of choice. But, remember, for simplicity purposes, you can maintain only one AB create different groups which you can also select. I find this more efficient. HTH -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.60c/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error
At Saturday, May 4, 2002, 4:15:31 AM, role+the wrote: Hi, I think the old bug-reporting changed, but I can't find or remember where it goes now, so herewith my findings... Just upgraded to 1.60h, running NT4. I found I couldn't move the Inbox - Known folder into a sub-folder, and it's not a feature I want right now. The filter is NOT marked as active anyway. So, I deleted the Inbox - Known folder. Ever since, *all* my incoming mail is filtered into a folder that is the target of *one* of my rules. It doesn't matter whether the incoming mail should arrive in my Inbox, or whether it should be filtered by one of my filters -- it's *all* transferred to the single destination. Any ideas? Is the known filter set to active? -- Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error
MS Is the known filter set to active? Nope - wasn't beforehand, and still isn't. I hadn't realised how reliant I'd become on my handful of filters over the months (years?) now that everything's being dumped in the same folder, it's much harder to keep track!! -- Best regards, James Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error
Hello Mike, Saturday, May 4, 2002, 6:31:01 AM, you digitally penned the following; MS At Saturday, May 4, 2002, 4:15:31 AM, role+the wrote: Hi, I think the old bug-reporting changed, but I can't find or remember where it goes now, so herewith my findings... Just upgraded to 1.60h, running NT4. snip Any ideas? snip The latest version is j maybe your bug is fixed in this version? -- Regards, Lynnamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat!1.60j Windows XP PGP ( Public ) Key available at www.apostolic-friends.net/pgpkey.htm smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error
On Sat, 4 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MS Is the known filter set to active? Nope - wasn't beforehand, and still isn't. I hadn't realised how reliant I'd become on my handful of filters over the months (years?) now that everything's being dumped in the same folder, it's much harder to keep track!! Not sure if this is helpful... Have you made sure that you have the Continue processing set? I cannot remember the full name. It may have become switched off some how... and as soon as it hits that rule, it has no reason to continue processing. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Versatile Group Tel: 972 991 1370 x 205 Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
separate Inbox-Known for each address book
I've split my address book into two - work folks and personal folks. Can I make an Inbox - Known rule for each address book? Thanks -John Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error
Hi, I think the old bug-reporting changed, but I can't find or remember where it goes now, so herewith my findings... Just upgraded to 1.60h, running NT4. I found I couldn't move the Inbox - Known folder into a sub-folder, and it's not a feature I want right now. The filter is NOT marked as active anyway. So, I deleted the Inbox - Known folder. Ever since, *all* my incoming mail is filtered into a folder that is the target of *one* of my rules. It doesn't matter whether the incoming mail should arrive in my Inbox, or whether it should be filtered by one of my filters -- it's *all* transferred to the single destination. Any ideas? -- Best regards, James. Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Known filter
Hello mocha9mail, On Thu, 2 May 2002 01:28:37 -0400GMT (2-5-02, 7:28 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: mmc In the Account filters, there is a know filter for the Incoming mmc mail. How can I add that same known filter to Sent mail? I think you can't. However, you can create an outgoing filter that moves mail addressed to recipients in your address book to whatever folder you'd like to. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Known filter
Thursday, May 02, 2002, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2002 01:28:37 -0400GMT (2-5-02, 7:28 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: mmc In the Account filters, there is a know filter for the Incoming mmc mail. How can I add that same known filter to Sent mail? I think you can't. However, you can create an outgoing filter that moves mail addressed to recipients in your address book to whatever folder you'd like to. How do I do that -- without specifying each address in my address book in the Filtering String? Thanks in advance JM Using The Bat! 1.60c Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Known filter
Hello mocha9mail, On Thu, 2 May 2002 20:01:24 -0400GMT (3-5-02, 2:01 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: mmc In the Account filters, there is a know filter for the Incoming mmc mail. How can I add that same known filter to Sent mail? I think you can't. However, you can create an outgoing filter that moves mail addressed to recipients in your address book to whatever folder you'd like to. mmc How do I do that -- without specifying each address in my address book mmc in the Filtering String? Build an outgoing filter with the appropriate action. Use @ as condition in the outgoing address (that'll always be present) Go to the advanced tab Scroll down till you find 'Address(es) must be present in Address Book Check that option Mark recipient as item If necessary choose an address book group -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inbox - Known -- docmentation?
Is there any documentation available on the Inbox - Known folder; how it works, etc.? TheBat! 1.60h Help file lacks documentation on this mail folder. If there is a web page providing such documentation, please cite the URL. Thank you. -- Using The Bat! v1.60h OS: Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known -- docmentation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, @02 May 2002, 20:22:16 -0400 (01:22 UK time) Mark Knipfer wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any documentation available on the Inbox - Known folder; how it works, etc.? TheBat! 1.60h Help file lacks documentation on this mail folder. Inbox - Known is merely a suggested serving folder to use as a target for the new Known filter in the sorting office. If you change the target folder of that filter or disable it, you can safely remove the folder. The Known filter is a quick and easy elimination filter to quickly move mail from known people (according to your address book) out of the Inbox, leaving potential spam behind. BUT - if you remove the filter, TB will auto-create the filter next time you start it and, at that point, recreate the Inbox - known folder. (at least, that's what it did when we were testing it on TBBETA). If there is a web page providing such documentation, please cite the URL. Not yet... - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE80JE6OeQkq5KdzaARAi+bAKCXJpm8aNMdNWK+xM/Ju+Ldz4NoyACgpxOi IF+DEej+V0LJetnelWMGjyk= =Qlxn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Known filter
In the Account filters, there is a know filter for the Incoming mail. How can I add that same known filter to Sent mail? Thanks in advance JM Using The Bat! 1.60c Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox -- known
Hello William, On Monday, April 22, 2002 at 11:51:14 PM you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part): WE So my feature request is for a remove from address book as a right WE click option for any email address. WE What do you guys think? I think it is already partial available ... Ctrl+W will add sender to address book, Ctrl+B will delete it ... I don't know if I'd really need the very same option for _every_ e-mail-address in the message text :-) If I don't want to receive mail anymore from a specific person and that one is in my AB I can delete if by finding a message of him/her and use the above mentioned shortcut :-) If my Known filter would be active all necessary steps would be taken this way :-) I do rarely have people in my AB I don't receive mail from _and_ want to delete these entries :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60g on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) If there were no golf balls, how could we measure hail? Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Inbox -- known
PP I think it is already partial available ... PP Ctrl+W will add sender to address book, Ctrl+B will delete it ... I PP don't know if I'd really need the very same option for _every_ PP e-mail-address in the message text :-) PP If I don't want to receive mail anymore from a specific person and that one PP is in my AB I can delete if by finding a message of him/her and use the PP above mentioned shortcut :-) PP If my Known filter would be active all necessary steps would be taken PP this way :-) PP I do rarely have people in my AB I don't receive mail from _and_ want to PP delete these entries :-) Ahh. . . cool. Thank you very much. Ctrl+b works like a charm. - William Eggington -- http://www.eggington.net - Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inbox -- known
What happened to the inbox-known feature I saw in 1.60b? It appears to be gone in 1.60c. -- Best regards, Curt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox -- known
Hello Curt, Monday, April 22, 2002, 12:14:35 PM, you wrote: CA What happened to the inbox-known feature I saw in 1.60b? It appears to CA be gone in 1.60c. I am using the c version and it still has the InBox known feature. You have to have the email addresses already in your address book. But it does have it and it is working for me. -- Best regards, Lynnamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox -- known
Hello Curt, On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:14:35 -0400GMT (22-4-02, 22:14 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: CA What happened to the inbox-known feature I saw in 1.60b? It appears to CA be gone in 1.60c. Still present. Maybe you deactivated the known filter, that makes the known-inbox go away. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inbox -- known
With this new known filter adding people to your address book becomes a lot more important. But there is no way currently to quickly remove people from the address book. It is a two click process to add someone. . . but quite a bit more complicated to remove them. So my feature request is for a remove from address book as a right click option for any email address. What do you guys think? - William Eggington -- http://www.eggington.net - Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Inbox -- known
Upgrading from b to c, the inbox - known folders remain. But, I did a fresh install of c today--no knowns, nor is there a known filter anywhere in sight. Also, did an upgrade of a 1.53 to 1.60c and no knowns appeared. Bug? -- Best regards, Curt Monday, April 22, 2002, 4:20:43 PM, you wrote: LL Hello Curt, LL Monday, April 22, 2002, 12:14:35 PM, you wrote: CA What happened to the inbox-known feature I saw in 1.60b? It appears to CA be gone in 1.60c. LL I am using the c version and it still has the InBox LL known feature. You have to have the email addresses LL already in your address book. But it does have it and LL it is working for me. Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOWN Filter
Hello Carsten, On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:13:57 -0400GMT (15-4-02, 5:13 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: CGS Why is an email with the follwing header not moved to my CGS INBOX-KNOWN (Filter is active), though the email address CGS thomaslundy@...com is in my address book? Probably because it has triggered another filter. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
KNOWN Filter
Hi, Why is an email with the follwing header not moved to my INBOX-KNOWN (Filter is active), though the email address thomaslundy@...com is in my address book? Return-Path: thomaslundy@com X-Flags: Delivered-To: GMX delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 9313 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 2002 19:42:30 - Received: from web14510.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.169) by mx0.gmx.net (mx012-rz3) with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 19:42:30 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [216.232.13.125] by web14510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:42:28 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:42:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Lundy thomaslundy@com Subject: Re: ciao To: Carsten Guthardt-Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Modified-Forwards: 1A.inbox hallo Carsten, [...] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Filtering known
Hello TBUL, I thought I would try filtering known against my personal address book. I had the rule active and checking against the personal address book. What happened is most of the e-mail ended up in the Inbox-Known folder from various mailing list. In retrospect when I look at the headers (i.e. kludges) one of the Received: fields in facts has the send address of the mail list. What is the best work around? See header below: Received: from tkh.att.ne.jp ([165.76.17.8]) by home.worldless.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2001) id 16uTzH-6i-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:54:52 +0700 I would think keeping a separate mail box for all mail list addresses would solve this problem. Since others who implemented this pre-defined filter probably had the same problem, I thought I would ask. -- Best regards, Greg mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spamfiltering / the Inbox-known-issue again
Hi again, Thanks for the reactions.. I thought I was gonna be skinned alive ;-)for bringing this up again. But I'm glad I did.. Made me think more about filtering and keeping the Inbox clean. And: I don't post much on mailinglist. And since posting to this one I got two spam-mails.. Normally I get one spam-mail per 2 weeks.. And I now have set up a folder which I call unknown and made my own basic address book filter.. The posts got in the folder.. :-) Saved me from being very disappointed and thanks to the spammers for testing it. :-) Now I was certain that it wasn't a post from a friend or a loved one. [stupid that I didn't think about this in the past] So a basic filter for beginners is in a way a good idea if it made sense: But I think you should also have an option to turn it of and on prob. in the preference-menu.. The folder and filter should be gone after disabling it.. So users who don't want and need this. could get rid of it. And I'm not even a beginner I just don't use TB! to its limits. And I still am a happy user. :-) With kind regards, Haico Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
spamfiltering / the Inbox-known-issue again
Hi to all, First of all: Hope that I don't offend anyone for dragging a almost drowned horse out of the water. But since the discussion I read about creating a spamfilter I thought about this again. (and someone :) called this thing a zombie anyway, so.. ;) I was just thinking.. Why doesn't Ritlabs skip the whole idea of that Inbox-known folder.. If they got any sense on this matter, they would see how stupid it is. 1) degrading your inbox to a spam-folder. 2) the thing's name is too long and it just don't sound right. 3) you've got 2 folders with 2 blue arrows.. which looks very stupid. Why not make the opposite, and create something like a junk-folder. (this has been mentioned before)You can also make a basic-filter with more options for dealing with spam.. And give that folder a *RED* arrow and call it unknown. If Ritlabs would want to have an easy filter for beginners. Than you've got something that makes sense. And a folder with a red arrow would look very nice. :-) Greetings, Haico Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spamfiltering / the Inbox-known-issue again
Well, many, many of us just edited the filter to point it at a folder of choice and then got rid of the Unknown folder. Pretty simple. Tuesday, April 2, 2002, 2:35:50 PM, Haico wrote: Hi to all, First of all: Hope that I don't offend anyone for dragging a almost drowned horse out of the water. But since the discussion I read about creating a spamfilter I thought about this again. (and someone :) called this thing a zombie anyway, so.. ;) I was just thinking.. Why doesn't Ritlabs skip the whole idea of that Inbox-known folder.. If they got any sense on this matter, they would see how stupid it is. 1) degrading your inbox to a spam-folder. 2) the thing's name is too long and it just don't sound right. 3) you've got 2 folders with 2 blue arrows.. which looks very stupid. Why not make the opposite, and create something like a junk-folder. (this has been mentioned before)You can also make a basic-filter with more options for dealing with spam.. And give that folder a *RED* arrow and call it unknown. If Ritlabs would want to have an easy filter for beginners. Than you've got something that makes sense. And a folder with a red arrow would look very nice. :-) Greetings, Haico Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60c Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spamfiltering / the Inbox-known-issue again
On 2-4-2002 at 21:46, Gene Gough wrote: Well, many, many of us just edited the filter to point it at a folder of choice and then got rid of the Unknown folder. Pretty simple. I did so too. And I'm sorry for bringing this up again, and this is the last I've got to say about it: I hate stupid idea's. And in a way I could have used this filter and a folder like that.. Because I don't get a lot of mail.. So most of my not-wanted-mail would have been seperated from my personal once.. I also like to see my personal mail on the mail-ticker.. And I'm VERY annoyed if a spam-mail gets on it.. So in a way I liked the idea.. But NOT in this way.. See it as a wishlist-thing! And you made my point.. If many, many of us deleted it, it's a bad idea and not wanted! Groet, Co Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spamfiltering / the Inbox-known-issue again
Hi Haico, On Tuesday, April 2, 2002 at 21:35:50 [GMT +0200], you wrote: H Why not make the opposite, and create something like a junk-folder. H (this has been mentioned before)You can also make a basic-filter with H more options for dealing with spam.. You have my vote for this one. And I know that a lot of people actually used this setup before it was built-in, with one folder for possible spam. It really appears more intuitive to me. -- Regards, Lars The Bat! 1.60c on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 |Lars Geiger | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spamfiltering / the Inbox-known-issue again
Agreed that the implementation was actually backwards from what was desired and actually didn't do anything that wasn't possible before. What it did do was make me think more about it and investigate the address book idea enough to make a spam filter that is very low maintenance. The nice thing about BAT and free will is that you can do what you want with the tools offered up and not have to take away from everybody something that happens to be irritating to many but not all. Tuesday, April 2, 2002, 3:09:53 PM, Haico wrote: And you made my point.. If many, many of us deleted it, it's a bad idea and not wanted! -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60c Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spamfiltering / the Inbox-known-issue again
Hello Haico, On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:35:50 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, April 3, 2002, 2:35:50 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Haico wrote: Hi to all, First of all: Hope that I don't offend anyone for dragging a almost drowned horse out of the water. But since the discussion I read about creating a spamfilter I thought about this again. (and someone :) called this thing a zombie anyway, so.. ;) I was just thinking.. Why doesn't Ritlabs skip the whole idea of that Inbox-known folder.. If they got any sense on this matter, they would see how stupid it is. 1) degrading your inbox to a spam-folder. 2) the thing's name is too long and it just don't sound right. 3) you've got 2 folders with 2 blue arrows.. which looks very stupid. I agree... Current thing looks silly to me and likely will stay unused by me. I for sure am not going to change my filters... Why not make the opposite, and create something like a junk-folder. (this has been mentioned before)You can also make a basic-filter with more options for dealing with spam.. And give that folder a *RED* arrow and call it unknown. If Ritlabs would want to have an easy filter for beginners. Than you've got something that makes sense. And if spam filters could be easily entered, sure I use it. Now have a box called spam... And a folder with a red arrow would look very nice. :-) -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.60c mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Line length and inbox-known
Hello Allie, Friday, March 29, 2002, 1:29:42 PM, you wrote: ACM me when I decided to make most folders new messages be displayed by ACM the mail ticker. It was tedious going from folder to folder to toggle ACM the switch I need to. :-/ Right! I have been using Eudora for 7 years now, never really configuring it from scratch, but lately it has been playing trics on me and making some messages disappear in cyberspace. So I decided to try The Bat! ACM Pegasus has the ability to reflow sender paragraphs when quoting them. ACM What it did was to reflow you're quoted material, but unlike TB!, it ACM doesn't recognise initialed quote prefixing. It therefore treated it ACM like part of the paragraph text and reflowed the prefixes with the ACM text. Okay, I'll take that into account. And I'll try out Lars' suggestion with the maco, although that will need some studying ;-) Other question I couldn't find, what is the purpose of the inbox-known? -- Best regards, Marionmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[3]: Line length and inbox-known
Friday, March 29, 2002, 7:40:38 AM, Marion scribbled: M Right! I have been using Eudora for 7 years now, never really M configuring it from scratch, but lately it has been playing trics on M me and making some messages disappear in cyberspace. So I decided to M try The Bat! This is of great comfort to me, as I thought I was the only one having this problem with Eudora. I guess when they put in the adware, they broke something else. Also, Qualcomm seems to have lost interest in the program, making me wonder what its eventual fate will be. Mike Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Line length and inbox-known
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 @ 14:40:38 +0100 [ Fri, 29 Mar 2002], Marion [M] contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... M Other question I couldn't find, what is the purpose of the M inbox-known? It's a common folder created 'out of the box', to be used with the inbox filter for each account called 'known'. - -- Allie C Martin (_ List Moderator and fellow end user __) PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= TB! v1.60c Windows XP 5.1.2600 __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjykkpgACgkQV8nrYCsHF+LYRwCffYNLH2/wM7uV4hNkeOIrK9UZ M6gAn216gfF0/2+RR3lrtbk14Ayi140h =g9vQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[4]: Line length and inbox-known
Hello Michael, Friday, March 29, 2002, 4:47:33 PM, you wrote: MD This is of great comfort to me, as I thought I was the only one having MD this problem with Eudora. I guess when they put in the adware, they MD broke something else. Also, Qualcomm seems to have lost interest in MD the program, making me wonder what its eventual fate will be. To me too! Good to know I am not the only one ;-) Strange thing, I don't have these problems on my laptop, while using the same version of Eudora, both registered. Rumor has it they are discontinuing the program, there are no beta's in progress, I didn't get any answer to my cries for help... -- Best regards, Marionmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Line length and inbox-known
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 5:40:38 AM PST, Marion wrote: ACM Pegasus has the ability to reflow sender paragraphs when quoting ACM them. What it did was to reflow you're quoted material, but ACM unlike TB!, it doesn't recognise initialed quote prefixing. It ACM therefore treated it like part of the paragraph text and ACM reflowed the prefixes with the text. Okay, I'll take that into account. And I'll try out Lars' suggestion with the maco, although that will need some studying ;-) Hello Marion, One thing you may want to do, just to be compatible with the widest range of other people's mailers, is to use the standard quote prefix ( ) instead of a sender's initials. To change that for each account, under Account Properties/Templates/Reply, choose none. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=0xFB04F2E9Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8pJdijVbXUvsE8ukRAsiSAKCkFuP+5I5EcCQdgcuu24Gz90Xe6QCeK35H oKETJF3TarltjdmZjxFssk0= =X03U -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Line length and inbox-known
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:34:14 -0800, Melissa Reese [MR] wrote these comments: ... MR One thing you may want to do, just to be compatible with the widest MR range of other people's mailers, is to use the standard quote prefix MR ( ) instead of a sender's initials. To change that for each MR account, under Account Properties/Templates/Reply, choose none. If you really want to be fancy and use the capabilities of TB!, you can set things up so that initials are used if the sender is using a client that supports initials, otherwise initials will not be used. If interested do the following. Create a Quick template and give it the handle name 'prefix'. In it paste the following regex template macro: %IF:%SETPATTREGEXP=(?im-s)^X-Mailer\:.*(Bat!|Becky).*$%- %REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%HEADERS%- %SUBPATT=1=:NONE:I After that, for each template in which you need to use initials appropriately, place the following macros *before* the %Quotes macro. You can place this line above the %Quotes macro. %Quotestyle='%Qinclude=prefix'%- You're done. Enjoy! - -- Allie C Martin (_ List Moderator and fellow end user __) PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= TB! v1.60c Windows XP 5.1.2600 __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjykmwQACgkQV8nrYCsHF+J44gCfeAlmd2CNuCJZg1siGtsLThkv 86EAn1/qtT41fivxycyieIZ3HzHypqPf =3UJs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Line length and inbox-known
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:34:14 -0800 Melissa Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACM Pegasus has the ability to reflow sender paragraphs when quoting ACM them. What it did was to reflow you're quoted material, but ACM unlike TB!, it doesn't recognise initialed quote prefixing. It ACM therefore treated it like part of the paragraph text and ACM reflowed the prefixes with the text. Perfect explanation Allie! Okay, I'll take that into account. And I'll try out Lars' suggestion with the maco, although that will need some studying ;-) One thing you may want to do, just to be compatible with the widest range of other people's mailers, is to use the standard quote prefix ( ) instead of a sender's initials. To change that for each account, under Account Properties/Templates/Reply, choose none. Initial Prefix is really bitten a lot of other MUA out there :-) My mailer developer just response this conditions last 2 weeks, it does recognize quote prefix more better now :-) -- syafril === Syafril Hermansyah[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Line length and inbox-known
On Friday, March 29, 2002, 10:17:34 AM, Marion wrote: MD Qualcomm seems to have lost interest in the program, making me MD wonder what its eventual fate will be. To me too! Good to know I am not the only one ;-) Strange thing, I don't have these problems on my laptop, while using the same version of Eudora, both registered. Rumor has it they are discontinuing the program, there are no beta's in progress, I didn't get any answer to my cries for help... I too got fed up with Eudora's instability some time back. There is actually one beta in progress, 5.1 for OS X, but they do seem moribund. I really can't imagine them actually discontinuing the program, unless going adware had a negative impact on their revenue flow, just stopping development. But I'm not privy to any information or even rumors. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60c on Windows XP version 5,1 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[4]: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 2:37:39 PM, Gene scribbled: GG OK, now I understand what you mean. I don't understand why that is a GG problem. Just disable it and move to the bottom. It's a matter of aesthetics and performance. I don't use it, so I want to get rid of it and make things tidy. Regardless of on/off status, something has to check if it should be executed. That's one less check per message. And finally, if I wanted it, I'd have built it. I see no reason for yet another this is the way you're gonna do it option. That's the Microsoft way. I had thought better of RITLabs. Mike Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Deleting inbox-kown filter [Was:Inbox - Known - general comments]
On 27-3-2002 at 12:49, Michael Disabato wrote: Hi Michael, Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 2:37:39 PM, Gene scribbled: GG OK, now I understand what you mean. I don't understand why that is a GG problem. Just disable it and move to the bottom. It's a matter of aesthetics and performance. I don't use it, so I want to get rid of it and make things tidy. If you press shift-delete, you can get rid of it. Greetings, Haico Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Specifics of the Known Filter
Although some seem not to like it, the known filter and InBox are helping me sort the wheat from the chaff. But I have a question. The description of the known filter says it allows you to separate incoming mail by presence of the sender's address in your address book. I presumed that meant the [EMAIL PROTECTED] part of the AB entry. But this morning a message I would have expected to land in Inbox-Known was routed to the normal InBox. The specific mail address specified in From: was an exact match for [EMAIL PROTECTED] - the only difference I can see is in the Return-Path:, which includes a variation of the name listed in my AB (e.g., Fred and Wilma Flintstone as opposed to Fred Wilma Flintstone). Can someone clarify exactly what constitutes a match for known? TIA. -Don Running The Bat! Version 1.60 on Windows 98 Build Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Deleting inbox-kown filter [Was:Inbox - Known - general comments]
On 27-3-02 at 17:19, Haico kindly wrote: On 27-3-2002 at 12:49, Michael Disabato wrote: ['known- filter] GG OK, now I understand what you mean. I don't understand why that is a GG problem. Just disable it and move to the bottom. It's a matter of aesthetics and performance. I don't use it, so I want to get rid of it and make things tidy. If you press shift-delete, you can get rid of it. Excellent tip. Thank you. And hi to you, Haico :) - K - -- It is walking toward me, without hurrying. - Jean Cocteau Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Hello Nick! On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 1:16:52 AM you wrote: That pretty much sums up my view on it as well, and you can add the SmartBat memo pad 'thingy' and calculator to that list as well. Sorry RITLabs but there are much more important enhancements needed. The Inbox - Known can be of help if one does not have much experience with filtering. It is therefore a good (and very small) addition to beginners. (Note: I haven't used it, yet.) The SmartBat is useful for transferring text of any kind (including filters) between accounts, messages, even programmes). The calculator has been put to good use within templates (I've seen at least one case in point by Peter Palmreuther). The Evaluate menu item is merely a by-product of the new %CALC macro. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Dankbarkeit ist eine Pflicht, die erfüllt werden sollte, die aber zu erwarten keiner das Recht hat. (Jean-Jacques Rousseau) Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 4:58:16 PM, Dierk wrote: DH Hello Nick! DH On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 1:16:52 AM you wrote: That pretty much sums up my view on it as well, and you can add the SmartBat memo pad 'thingy' and calculator to that list as well. Sorry RITLabs but there are much more important enhancements needed. DH The Inbox - Known can be of help if one does not have much experience DH with filtering. It is therefore a good (and very small) addition to DH beginners. (Note: I haven't used it, yet.) I would think that the concept of simply filtering to different folders based on the idea of grouping content is much more intuitive than the idea of dividing mail into that which is matched against your address book, and that which isn't. And as for beginners, I would suggest they are *highly* unlikely to start with TB. They start with what comes on their pre-installed OS, and they gradually start looking around for alternatives as they learn more about what can be done and what they'd like to do that OE can't do. By the time they ever discover TB, my guess is they already know a lot about filtering. And *anyone* who uses an e-mail client, even for the first time, is going to have a pretty good intuitive feel for what an Inbox is for -- what it does and what they can expect to find in it. However, TB now presents that theoretical new user with two of them. You tell me which is the less confusing alternative to a raw computer rookie. :) DH The SmartBat is useful for transferring text of any kind (including DH filters) between accounts, messages, even programmes). Easier than copy to the clipboard and paste where you want it? I admit to not having explored this feature almost at all, but from the description above it sounds like . . . the clipboard. And I already have one with the OS that works perfectly. DH The calculator has been put to good use within templates (I've seen at DH least one case in point by Peter Palmreuther). The Evaluate menu DH item is merely a by-product of the new %CALC macro. I'm sure *ALL* of this stuff can be used. :)) None of it is totally worthless, except maybe the Inbox - Known (ducking and running). :)) But *where* do you draw the line? There is nothing on my box, with about 20 gigs of programs, that I consider worthless. sarcasm So let's include *all* of it in TB. In fact, let's turn TB into an operating system, and be done with it. And since I'm going to e-mail that digital film clip to my father after I edit it, why can't I edit it right inside the same program that is going to mail it? /sarcasm I have simply two points: 1) There is probably some place where a line should be drawn, beyond which features tend to clutter and distract more than they add utility. (And I would say that features that put buttons where they interfere even slightly with automatic user program interaction probably are close to if not over that line.) 2) When there are *basic* issues outstanding, any attention to features that might fall into the category above is energy that could better be spent elsewhere -- and *especially* if there is even the remotest chance that adding one of these features is going to compromise overall stability in any way. But, hey, I realize this argument means nothing anyway, because the Inbox - Known is highly unlikely to ever disappear, I'm quite sure. I just hope basic things like the ability to communicate in all the world's *major* languages might get taken care of before anymore cutesy stuff gets tacked on. I doubt if the Inbox - Known feature will sell *one* additional copy of the program. And I seriously mean that, because it's an idea so incredibly unique that virtually no one knows they have a need for it. :)) Handling character sets that are used by about 1/4 of the planet's population might do a heck of a lot more for RIT's bottom line, perhaps. I mean, hey, I have an Inbox - Known, but I have to use Outlook to communicate with half of my address book. Life just doesn't get any better. :) Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:05:33 +0900, Yuki Taga [YT] wrote these comments: ... DH The SmartBat is useful for transferring text of any kind (including DH filters) between accounts, messages, even programmes). YT Easier than copy to the clipboard and paste where you want it? I YT admit to not having explored this feature almost at all, but from YT the description above it sounds like . . . the clipboard. And I YT already have one with the OS that works perfectly. I wonder if you're being deliberately difficult with this one? g You can manage multiple clips of text with it. You can format them and manipulate them as you wish. You can't do that with the clipboard. Now some may argue that the users favourite text editor could accomplish most of this and I tend to agree though my heart goes to the SmartBat since it uses the TB! text formatting features, and your clips are automatically stored by dates. Not to mention that it appears *instantly* when you hit F6. :-) - -- Allie C Martin -- List Moderator PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [MUA: TB! v1.60 (*) OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjygUiQACgkQV8nrYCsHF+IaowCg5d4jc6hq09XLefDI/OaszOrk pXoAnjzzm4nFbZr6wALazJX1nEISBQ0P =No6J -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 1:58:16 AM, Dierk scribbled: DH The Inbox - Known can be of help if one does not have much experience DH with filtering. It is therefore a good (and very small) addition to DH beginners. (Note: I haven't used it, yet.) I agree, but it would be nice to be able to delete it. This non-choice kind of option just makes programs larger, not more useful. I've killed off the Known box mainly because I use filtering at the server to route unknown mail to another account. I get that one once a day, leaving the known mail for an account I read often, sometimes using a wireless device. Mike Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Hi Allie, Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 7:49:08 PM, Allie wrote: YT the clipboard. And I already have one with the OS that works YT perfectly. ACM I wonder if you're being deliberately difficult with this one? g Not really, but I did admit that I haven't really explored this one at all. :)) ACM You can manage multiple clips of text with it. You can format them and ACM manipulate them as you wish. You can't do that with the clipboard. I'm not surprised there is more to it than that. The developers aren't likely to add completely useless features -- *except* for probably the Inbox - Known and the Menu Navigator. (ducking and running again) (^_-) But, it does strike me as an extreme power user kind of thing. I'm sure it's going to be useful for some, maybe even many. But I think you'll agree that there are a ton of folks who will never do more than open it once, gape at it a few seconds in somewhat befuddled silence, then close it again forever. :) I really think the next thing RIT should focus on -- *other* than FULL DBCS support, of course -- (^_-) is getting the Help files written, and I mean fully and properly written, so that people other than old-hand beta testers know how to use this stuff. You know, when I type 'smart' or 'SmartBat' into TB's Help/Index tab, I get a big fat nada, as in zip, void, nothing. And when I open SmartBat, I hardly get anything very intuitive, or suggestive of what I might actually *do* with the thing. I do get a date, which I already know, and I do get a time display, which duplicates the one down in the lower right hand corner of my screen. :)) The presence of a calendar made me think perhaps some kind of an alarm program had been incorporated into TB. As for the menu searcher thingy: a nice graphic layout of the menu tree on a single page in the Help file, with each menu item hot-linked to a complete explanation of that item, might obviate the need for it altogether. 'Menu Navigator' also comes up shooting blanks in Help. The time not spent on the Help files is a terrible, terrible shame. Want to impress people, as in potential new customers? Get the Help file done in a professional manner, a manner worthy of the program itself, and keep it up to date. No release is ever justified without a completed and up to date Help file, IMHO. I think the kind of people who gravitate toward a program like TB are the kind of people who like to use resources like Help files to figure a lot of stuff out by themselves. I almost never started using TB because of the rather sketchy condition of the Help file. The quality of the English alone tipped me to the fact that the company was probably extremely small, maybe even to the point of not being well funded enough to continue development over the long haul. Now maybe that judgment is all wet. Maybe RIT has hundreds of employees and a fat budget. But I got exactly the opposite impression from the Help file. It was only the obvious quality of the program itself that ended up hooking me, but I almost didn't get that far. And I'm still on my guard about the longevity issue, particularly as I see things not getting done that I would rate as essential, at the expense of what I consider a bit of fluff. All of this in the spirit of egging on RIT to make this the best it can be. Nothing else; nothing less. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties forInbox - Known)
Hello Nick. At 7:16 PM on Monday, March 25, 2002 you wrote the following about [Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)]: Nick [...] there are much more important enhancements Nick needed. [/...] What enhancements are @ the top of your list? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.60/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 11:58:08 AM, Michael Disabato wrote: I agree, but it would be nice to be able to delete it. This non-choice kind of option just makes programs larger, not more useful. I've killed off the Known box mainly because I use filtering at the server to route unknown mail to another account. I get that one once a day, leaving the known mail for an account I read often, sometimes using a wireless device. --- From my experience, you have the choice whether to retain this folder. I've deleted Inbox - Known from my copy of TB! 1.60. To do this, I ensured that the Known filter was inactive, then right-clicked Inbox-Known, then clicked Delete Folder. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.60 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Press any button to continue, any other button to quit Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing properties for Inbox - Known
Hello Roberto. At 2:42 PM on Monday, March 25, 2002 you wrote the following about [Changing properties for Inbox - Known]: Roberto I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea, Roberto but I would rather have the known e-mails go to my Roberto Inbox and unknown e-mails go to Inbox - Roberto Unknown, I believe you can do this. Filter all incoming msgs to your Inbox if the sender is in your AB [look under Advanced tab in filters]. You can also create a 2nd folder [try a common folder] name it Inbox-Unknown filter all msgs to it that are from senders who are *not* in your AB [look under Advanced tab in filters]. From there, if you want, you can create some gen'l spam filters to move selected msgs to your trash bin. I believe you can delete the $KNOWN$ folder if you don't like it, find it confusing or think its a distraction. IMO, the $KNOWN$ folder is just another option provided by the RIT Lab folks. Some find it useful, some don't. The choice belongs to the user: we can use it or not as with most options in this or any program. Personally I find these threads that complain about this option or that option -- frequently written by recent TB! users, some who haven't even tried the options -- to be overblown, redundant, a waste of bandwidth. But, hey, this is a TB users list so everyone is entitled to say what they please as long as we all stay on topic abide by generally accepted rules of netiquette. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.60/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Hello Yuki! On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 1:27:11 PM you wrote: But, it does strike me as an extreme power user kind of thing. I'm sure it's going to be useful for some, maybe even many. But I think you'll agree that there are a ton of folks who will never do more than open it once, gape at it a few seconds in somewhat befuddled silence, then close it again forever. :) Now it really becomes funny - the kind of Wayans Brothers' movie fun. Nick tells us TB! is not for beginners. You tell us certain aspects are only for power users. I hope, I am not the only one rolling on the floor. ;-) All in all, I am with you on the other aspects you mention. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Jede Änderung des Sinnes muß davon ausgehen, daß die neue Ansicht die richtige und gute sei, nicht davon, daß sie Annehmlichkeiten und äußere Vorteile schafft. (Marc Aurel) Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Hello Michael! On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 12:58:08 PM you wrote: I agree, but it would be nice to be able to delete it. I seem to be the only one never having trouble deleting it. I tested it some time back during beta (when it was introduced), decided I won't need it at the moment and just deleted it. the filter is de-activated and that's it. Never again saw the folder. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. (George Bernard Shaw) Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
As did I. No problem deleting it at all. Then when I finally figured out that it was a much better way to filter spam than the stuff I had I recreated the folder and then found out I could name it whatever I wanted and did so. Just have to edit the known filter to use the new folder name. Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 9:47:22 AM, you wrote: DH On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 12:58:08 PM you wrote: I agree, but it would be nice to be able to delete it. DH I seem to be the only one never having trouble deleting it. I tested DH it some time back during beta (when it was introduced), decided I DH won't need it at the moment and just deleted it. the filter is DH de-activated and that's it. Never again saw the folder. -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 6:39:59 AM, Geoff scribbled: From my experience, you have the choice whether to retain this folder. GL I've deleted Inbox - Known from my copy of TB! 1.60. To do this, I GL ensured that the Known filter was inactive, then right-clicked GL Inbox-Known, then clicked Delete Folder. It's not the folder. It's the filter. You are not allowed to delete the filter. Mike Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Hello Luc At 2:24 PM on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 you wrote the following about [Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)]: JR What enhancements are @ the top of your list? Luc A fully written help file would be nice Agreed. Anything else @ the top of your list? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.60/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
It was foretold that on 26-3-2002 @ 14:39:41 GMT-0500 (which was 20:39 where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and spread these wise comments on Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known): JR Agreed. Anything else @ the top of your list? Keep up the good work :-) -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.60 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Why can't you be a nonconformist like everyone else? Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:27:11 +0900, Yuki Taga [YT] wrote these comments: ... ACM You can manage multiple clips of text with it. You can format them and ACM manipulate them as you wish. You can't do that with the clipboard. YT I'm not surprised there is more to it than that. The developers YT aren't likely to add completely useless features -- *except* for YT probably the Inbox - Known and the Menu Navigator. (ducking and YT running again) (^_-) But, it does strike me as an extreme power user YT kind of thing. Like regular expression support in the macros? :-) YT I'm sure it's going to be useful for some, maybe even many. Sure. YT But I think you'll agree that there are a ton of folks who will YT never do more than open it once, gape at it a few seconds in YT somewhat befuddled silence, then close it again forever. :) Sure. This is how it goes with most if not all feature rich applications. It's unusual that any user will find each and every offered feature useful. I certainly don't use all of TB!'s features. However, you'll find that all features are being used by the applications userbase, especially if the applications development is not occurring in a vacuum which we both know is definitely not the case with regards to TB!. YT I really think the next thing RIT should focus on -- *other* than YT FULL DBCS support, of course -- (^_-) is getting the Help files YT written, and I mean fully and properly written, so that people other YT than old-hand beta testers know how to use this stuff. Agreed. More of their budget needs to go into that. YT You know, when I type 'smart' or 'SmartBat' into TB's Help/Index YT tab, I get a big fat nada, as in zip, void, nothing. And when I open YT SmartBat, I hardly get anything very intuitive, or suggestive of YT what I might actually *do* with the thing. I do get a date, which I YT already know, and I do get a time display, which duplicates the one YT down in the lower right hand corner of my screen. :)) You can insert the current time through the right click context menu. In that way, you can associate the date and time with text clips. YT The presence of a calendar made me think perhaps some kind of an YT alarm program had been incorporated into TB. No. It's really a way of finding clips pasted in under a particular date. rest snipped ... I more or less agree with your sentiments on the issue. - -- Allie C Martin List Moderator and fellow end user PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ TB! v1.60 Windows XP 5.1.2600 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjyhBaIACgkQV8nrYCsHF+LarACdHIEGNbFkD1gzfZ1a5rN0K5Db MCIAni7+qsHiQ38/DAtQrFrJ/EjamOOu =nhXe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Known folders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Forgive my ignorance, but I keep seeing messages referring to 'known' folders - could anyone tell me what this means and what value it would have please? Best regards, Dave Wilson. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (E-mail me subject: 'public key' and I will send it to you) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 iQA/AwUBPJ7jx4uowXdtlnXzEQJKIQCfZO3F7OO0ukNtk6xIL9Z8djaZRX4AoMiB PCRcy/Nzf/nRqHV+SvUf/L+E =kz6C -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating an Inbox-Known folder
Hello Wayne You wrote On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, at 21:55:09 [GMT -0800] (16:55 Monday where I live):- MR I'm a bit curious about this too. I installed v1.60 over my previous MR version (1.53t), and I don't see any Inbox-Known folders. However - MR if I look in my sorting office for each account, I see a currently MR *inactive* known incoming filter. Just create a new folder for each account and name it $Known$ (with the dollar signs) This creats an Inbox - Known folder. Just curious - I am sure I missed something here - what exactly is the purpose of this inbox? -- Regards John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Using Bat! 1.60.Being used by Windows 98 4.10 Build A Sony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Known folders
Monday, March 25, 2002, 8:45:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but I keep seeing messages referring to 'known' folders - could anyone tell me what this means and what value it would have please? --- The Inbox - Known folder is a new feature of TB! 1.60 (OK, it probably appears in earlier betas, but I'm only considering non-beta releases). This folder is the target of a special filter that compares the sender address of each incoming message and, if the sender has an entry in your address book, places the message in Inbox - Known instead of Inbox. FWIW, I didn't get around to figuring out exactly how it works (for example, whether it would filter on all of my dozen or so address books) before I removed the folder. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.60 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 All I did was press this button and !£$!(()%^£%!£... Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Known folders
Hello daveiw! On Monday, March 25, 2002 at 9:45:40 AM you wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but I keep seeing messages referring to 'known' folders - could anyone tell me what this means and what value it would have please? It is connected to a new standard filter which will put all messages received by senders in your AB into this Inbox. It is especially useful if put at the end of your filter's list for people you don't filter into specific folders (perhaps because they don't write to often). That way everything left in your normal Inbox is from unknown sources) like spam and junk). -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Military Intelligence is a contradiction in terms. Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Known folders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk, Monday, March 25, 2002, 10:35:48 AM, you wrote: DH Hello daveiw! DH On Monday, March 25, 2002 at 9:45:40 AM you wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but I keep seeing messages referring to 'known' folders - could anyone tell me what this means and what value it would have please? DH It is connected to a new standard filter which will put all messages DH received by senders in your AB into this Inbox. It is especially DH useful if put at the end of your filter's list for people you don't DH filter into specific folders (perhaps because they don't write to DH often). That way everything left in your normal Inbox is from unknown DH sources) like spam and junk). Thanks Dierk and Geoff for your replies. - -- Best regards, Dave Wilson. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (E-mail me subject: 'public key' and I will send it to you) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 iQA/AwUBPJ9A94uowXdtlnXzEQJ6SQCbB+cZqOjgqTZySJ7HKLOw42RWGaUAoK+k 1gP2FkvpXPo4P0IK5JcuVFk4 =k/rB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Creating an Inbox-Known folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John, Monday, March 25, 2002, 10:04:46 AM, you wrote: JP Hello Wayne JP You wrote On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, at 21:55:09 [GMT -0800] (16:55 Monday where I live):- MR I'm a bit curious about this too. I installed v1.60 over my previous MR version (1.53t), and I don't see any Inbox-Known folders. However - MR if I look in my sorting office for each account, I see a currently MR *inactive* known incoming filter. Just create a new folder for each account and name it $Known$ (with the dollar signs) This creats an Inbox - Known folder. JP Just curious - I am sure I missed something here - what exactly is the purpose JP of this inbox? Hello, how does one get the 'known' folder to actually do anything please? I have created the folder as described, but it doesn't seem to do anything... - -- Best regards, Dave Wilson. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (E-mail me subject: 'public key' and I will send it to you) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 iQA/AwUBPJ9CYYuowXdtlnXzEQK5TACg67hun+gwurHip9xb4KNm9x7jIf0AoIrv j6AQD4TtjhBlHehvBIkHwIm7 =78EX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[3]: Creating an Inbox-Known folder
click Account; click Sorting/Office filters click on the plus by inbox. Select Known Click this rule is active should result in a check in that box. In the list box above one or more address books will be listed. Check those that you want searched to make a match. Move this filter to the bottom of the list of filters with exception of any spam filters. If this continues to work for me as it has so far, it will be a far better spam filer than any you can build yourself as it captures by exception rather than having to have a match on a spam ID. It ends up making your normal inbox the spam box (in affect). Monday, March 25, 2002, 10:29:25 AM, you wrote: dcn -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- dcn Hash: SHA1 dcn Hi John, dcn Monday, March 25, 2002, 10:04:46 AM, you wrote: JP Hello Wayne JP You wrote On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, at 21:55:09 [GMT -0800] (16:55 Monday where I live):- MR I'm a bit curious about this too. I installed v1.60 over my previous MR version (1.53t), and I don't see any Inbox-Known folders. However - MR if I look in my sorting office for each account, I see a currently MR *inactive* known incoming filter. Just create a new folder for each account and name it $Known$ (with the dollar signs) This creats an Inbox - Known folder. JP Just curious - I am sure I missed something here - what exactly is the purpose JP of this inbox? dcn Hello, how does one get the 'known' folder to actually do anything dcn please? I have created the folder as described, but it doesn't seem to dcn do anything... dcn - -- dcn Best regards, dcn Dave Wilson. dcn [EMAIL PROTECTED] dcn (E-mail me subject: 'public key' and I will send it to you) dcn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- dcn Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 dcn iQA/AwUBPJ9CYYuowXdtlnXzEQK5TACg67hun+gwurHip9xb4KNm9x7jIf0AoIrv dcn j6AQD4TtjhBlHehvBIkHwIm7 dcn =78EX dcn -END PGP SIGNATURE- dcn dcn Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a dcn FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com dcn Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] dcn Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com dcn Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] dcn TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60 IBM Retired Marietta, GA 30064-5428 Home Page:http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Family Tree: http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional: http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[4]: Creating an Inbox-Known folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gene, Monday, March 25, 2002, 3:39:52 PM, you wrote: GG click Account; click Sorting/Office filters GG click on the plus by inbox. Select Known GG Click this rule is active should result in a check in that box. GG In the list box above one or more address books will be listed. Check GG those that you want searched to make a match. GG Move this filter to the bottom of the list of filters with exception GG of any spam filters. GG If this continues to work for me as it has so far, it will be a far GG better spam filer than any you can build yourself as it captures by GG exception rather than having to have a match on a spam ID. It ends up GG making your normal inbox the spam box (in affect). GG Monday, March 25, 2002, 10:29:25 AM, you wrote: dcn -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- dcn Hash: SHA1 dcn Hi John, dcn Monday, March 25, 2002, 10:04:46 AM, you wrote: JP Hello Wayne JP You wrote On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, at 21:55:09 [GMT -0800] (16:55 Monday where I live):- MR I'm a bit curious about this too. I installed v1.60 over my previous MR version (1.53t), and I don't see any Inbox-Known folders. However - MR if I look in my sorting office for each account, I see a currently MR *inactive* known incoming filter. Just create a new folder for each account and name it $Known$ (with the dollar signs) This creats an Inbox - Known folder. JP Just curious - I am sure I missed something here - what exactly is the purpose JP of this inbox? dcn Hello, how does one get the 'known' folder to actually do anything dcn please? I have created the folder as described, but it doesn't seem to dcn do anything... dcn - -- dcn Best regards, dcn Dave Wilson. dcn [EMAIL PROTECTED] dcn (E-mail me subject: 'public key' and I will send it to you) dcn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- dcn Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 dcn iQA/AwUBPJ9CYYuowXdtlnXzEQK5TACg67hun+gwurHip9xb4KNm9x7jIf0AoIrv dcn j6AQD4TtjhBlHehvBIkHwIm7 dcn =78EX dcn -END PGP SIGNATURE- dcn dcn Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a dcn FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com dcn Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] dcn Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com dcn Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] dcn TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This does sound *very* useful, many thanks for a prompt and detailed reply. - -- Best regards, Dave Wilson. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (E-mail me subject: 'public key' and I will send it to you) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 iQA/AwUBPJ9HZouowXdtlnXzEQJ1iwCgtlAX+wKz5cTl1z1OeEpt1XwG/ggAni66 KmlFQe6Bj6isybgnCvp5wsOW =ztNO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Creating an Inbox-Known folder
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Re: Creating an Inbox-Known folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED], @25 March 2002, 15:50:53 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This does sound *very* useful, many thanks for a prompt and detailed reply. moderator This response was a superb example of the sin of over-quoting - even down to leaving the list footers intact!!! Please remember to trim your replies to keep them down to essentials. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - mind expansion - see: http://www.brainstormsw.com / · TB! v1.60-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8n0juOeQkq5KdzaARAkDLAKCWajB+PEi1d5YPPPxTyRdsyUu23wCdFKn0 5nIniA+8s2gLcQnUluk2EXo= =3bld -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changing properties for Inbox - Known
Hi! I've happily upgraded to 1.60, I love the menu navigator, the HTML mails stuff (on a personal note, I dislike HTML e-mails, but if the sender gives me no other choice, at least it's tolerable :), that none of my settings/prefs changed or got lost and that it seems a little faster. Good Job! I only have two questions: I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea, but I would rather have the known e-mails go to my Inbox and unknown e-mails go to Inbox - Unknown, this is because I frecuently sync with my handheld via MAPI, and it polls e-mail from the Inbox. So right now I would be basically in sync with 'unknown' e-mail. Is there are a way to do this? The Inbox - Known preferences only allows you to select which folder to use for known e-mail, not the opposite. What is the SmartBat? I haven't found documentation on it. Thanks and congrats to the RITLabs people! Roberto TB! 1.60 Windows 98 PIII 500Mhz 128MB RAM Over 3K e-mails in 7 Accounts _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing properties for Inbox - Known
It was foretold that on 25-3-2002 @ 11:42:44 GMT-0800 (which was 20:42 where I live) Roberto Machorro wrote and spread these wise comments on Changing properties for Inbox - Known: RM What is the SmartBat? I haven't found documentation on it. A notepad with search capacity. It comes in handy when you are not having a clipboard extender to transfer text. -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.60 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 To exercise is human; not to is divine. - Robert Orben. Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing properties for Inbox - Known
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:42:44 -0800, Roberto Machorro [RM] graced us with these comments: ... RM I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea, but I would rather RM have the known e-mails go to my Inbox and unknown e-mails go to RM Inbox - Unknown, this is because I frecuently sync with my RM handheld via MAPI, and it polls e-mail from the Inbox. So right RM now I would be basically in sync with 'unknown' e-mail. Is there are RM a way to do this? Not at the click of an option switch, I'm afraid. The only way would be to disable the 'known' filter and manually direct your spam to this folder. - -- Allie C Martin (_ List Moderator and fellow end user __) PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= TB! v1.60 Windows XP 5.1.2600 ¯¯ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjyfjEEACgkQV8nrYCsHF+IMmQCgmtDs2igSA+KkxKLXuWngxrCL 630AoIPLSveKSuM1pMdUbSI/Zq0sCJba =xKb5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Changing properties for Inbox - Known
Monday, March 25, 2002, 3:44:48 PM, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:42:44 -0800, Roberto Machorro [RM] graced us with these comments: ... RM I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea, but I would rather RM have the known e-mails go to my Inbox and unknown e-mails go to RM Inbox - Unknown, this is because I frecuently sync with my RM handheld via MAPI, and it polls e-mail from the Inbox. So right RM now I would be basically in sync with 'unknown' e-mail. Is there are RM a way to do this? Not at the click of an option switch, I'm afraid. The only way would be to disable the 'known' filter and manually direct your spam to this folder. Well - a part of this request is easy - just go to the known filter and change its destination folder to Inbox. Then you could put a filter below that which always matches and moves mails to Inbox-Unknown. -- Best regards, Leomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing properties for Inbox - Known
I might get corrected on this, but I believe that the Known filter is just a preset way to do what was and remains possible using the pre-existing filter set. You can easily set up one or two filters to accomplish your desired result. - Disable the Inbox-Known filter. Move the folder to the bottom of your folder tree or, if you're sure you'll never use it, delete it after confirming that all of this works. - Create a folder for Inbox-Unknown. - Set up a filter with the following: the '@' sign as the filter string, the location being Sender, and Presence being Yes. Move messages to folder Inbox-Unknown. On the Advanced tab, check Addressee must not be listed in Address Book, and complete the subsections. Move the filter to the bottom of your filter set (for Incoming mail), which will allow any other Inbox-based filters you have in place to operate. That should result in all mail going into your Inbox as default, then filtering out to whatever folders you have in place, and finally filtering out to Inbox-Unknown all remaining mail which comes from unknown addresses. Hopefully others will confirm or correct this approach. -- JN Roberto Machorro wrote on Monday, March 25, 2002: Hi! I've happily upgraded to 1.60, I love the menu navigator, the HTML mails stuff (on a personal note, I dislike HTML e-mails, but if the sender gives me no other choice, at least it's tolerable :), that none of my settings/prefs changed or got lost and that it seems a little faster. Good Job! I only have two questions: I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea, but I would rather have the known e-mails go to my Inbox and unknown e-mails go to Inbox - Unknown, this is because I frecuently sync with my handheld via MAPI, and it polls e-mail from the Inbox. So right now I would be basically in sync with 'unknown' e-mail. Is there are a way to do this? The Inbox - Known preferences only allows you to select which folder to use for known e-mail, not the opposite. What is the SmartBat? I haven't found documentation on it. Thanks and congrats to the RITLabs people! Roberto TB! 1.60 Windows 98 PIII 500Mhz 128MB RAM Over 3K e-mails in 7 Accounts _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:42:44 -0800, Roberto Machorro [RM] graced us with these comments: ... RM I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea Maybe it is, but to me it just seems like a typical case of software bloat and redundancy, albeit probably on a small scale here. Basically, what it seems to do if you enable the filter is to turn your normal Inbox into a *temporary* or *pending* Trash folder. Fine, but where is there any time or energy savings in that? (And before you are tempted to try and answer that question, read on please.) 1) If you are going to automatically delete everything that ends up in the normal Inbox (all of your unknown, not-in-your-AB mail), now calling your normal Inbox a SPAM trap, as some claim is the essence of this new feature, then why not send all that mail to the trash in the first place? (filtering so that non-AB mail goes straight to the dumper, rather than to a temporary dumper) 2) Obviously, the answer to the question at the end of number 1 is: Because there might be something in there I want to see. But, if you are *not* going to automatically trash this stuff, but instead are going to give the mail that ends up in the normal Inbox a cursory glance before nuking it . . . well . . . that's what you would have done had *all* the mail that you didn't filter to specific folders ended up in your normal Inbox anyway, right? So, I don't understand the savings in time or energy. 3) If you *are* going to automatically delete, as in number 1, you now have to do it manually rather than automatically, I guess. :) The feature *does* sort mail into two major categories: mail that comes in that is associated with the AB and not sorted to a specific target folder, and mail that isn't associated or targeted. Maybe some of you get enough mail coming in that isn't associated with your AB *and* which isn't filtered immediately to other folders, to make this a big deal. Not me, however. What ends up left in my Inbox after normal sorting is a very, very small fraction of what comes down off the server in the first place. I suspect this is true with most folks, too. Additionally, I often get mail from people who are *not* in my AB, but who are responding to me privately off list from one or another discussion groups that I belong to. So, if I use the 'Inbox - Known' feature and filter, I can't simply ignore that normal Inbox SPAM trap folder as stuff I'll look at when I have nothing else to do, because there might be something in there I'd want to read immediately. In short, I can't see I'd ever use the filter, nor the Inbox - Known. Seems like more work to me (another Inbox that *has* to be checked), rather than less. I'm sure somebody likes it, though. :) At the very least, I would not have enabled this feature on the install for new users, who it will undoubtedly confuse at first. It should be something that is normally invisible, but that can be activated if a user wants to mess with it, IMO. You complicate the *basic* interface; you lose potential customers, I suspect. What button is going up on the title bar next? :) Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing properties for Inbox - Known
I also would like that method or option. As it stands now, my INBOX has become my SPAM box and the KNOWN my Inbox. Since the filter itself will allow you to direct it's selection to any folder you want the implementation is almost there. What we want is the other half which would allow you to say IF not in the address book, then direct the message here. Positioning it at the end would allow you to filter off all others that you want and the garbage falls out the bottom. Monday, March 25, 2002, 2:42:44 PM, you wrote: RM I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea, but I would rather RM have the known e-mails go to my Inbox and unknown e-mails go to RM Inbox - Unknown, this is because I frecuently sync with my handheld -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Hello Yuki Taga, On Monday, March 25 2002 at 03:27 PM PDT, you wrote: Maybe it is, but to me it just seems like a typical case of software bloat and redundancy, albeit probably on a small scale here. That pretty much sums up my view on it as well, and you can add the SmartBat memo pad 'thingy' and calculator to that list as well. Sorry RITLabs but there are much more important enhancements needed. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
On 26-3-02 at 01:16, Nick Andriash kindly wrote: Hello Yuki Taga, Maybe it is, but to me it just seems like a typical case of software bloat and redundancy, albeit probably on a small scale here. That pretty much sums up my view on it as well, and you can add the SmartBat memo pad 'thingy' and calculator to that list as well. Sorry RITLabs but there are much more important enhancements needed. Seconded. Better (multiple) search capacities for instance, whithout one needing to learn RegEx. And why can't you still add people on the cc line to the address book? Or: have cross-accounts filters and cross-accounts address books. Or: being able to queue specific mails to be sent at a specific time. And: the ability to search through different groups in the address book. Or: porting TB to Linux. I love TB, but a known-inbox that reduces the real inbox to an upbeat version of a spam mailbox is not my idea of an improvement. - K - -- Inessential insanities get one in trouble with oneself. Essential insanities get one in trouble with others. It's always preferable to be in trouble with others. In fact, it may be essential. - Tom Robbins: Still Life With Woodpecker Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Changing properties for Inbox - Known
What we want is the other half which would allow you to say IF not in the address book, then direct the message here. The program already has it. Office Sorting/Filters, look under the Advanced tab. Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties forInbox - Known)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 0:27 op dinsdag 26 maart 2002, Yuki Taga: Maybe it is, but to me it just seems like a typical case of software bloat and redundancy, albeit probably on a small scale here. oh please. a pre-installed folder and a pre-installed rule. doesn't really add up to 'bloat' imnsho. it is a very nice introduction for the beginning bat-user to the concept of filtering and adressbooks. this is hardly-to-no any bloat compared to 1.53, since i implemented it there manually. Basically, what it seems to do if you enable the filter is to turn your normal Inbox into a *temporary* or *pending* Trash folder. Fine, but where is there any time or energy savings in that? i added a rule to the outgoing filters that adds any new mailadress i send mail to to a special adressbook, so that ultimately any conversation i have with someone ends up in the Inbox - Known. some filtering cannot be left to automatons and has to be done in your head. mail left in the Inbox is likely spam, whereas mail in the Inbox-Known is most probably not spam and therefore relevant enough for you to give it some TLA. together with other filters, i can safely delete 95% from the mail that ends up in the inbox. manually, yes. pressing 'del' once does not bother me too much :) thus there is at least 1 happy customer with the Inbox-Known :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPJ+5+0tQMadp+KslEQLEAgCg3xtEUMOp2W/fs0IO7xIXxJPRLOgAn0qu tWQ9rbrx2Hpi85e5TQYK5/Ts =1Dqq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Creating an Inbox-Known folder
Hello, I'd searched the list subjects but couldn't see any subject that referred to my subject. So apologies if it's been covered and everyone except me and my dogs knows this... When I upgraded to 1.60 only the accounts that were currently expanded had the new folder Inbox-Known added to them. The contracted (collapsed) accounts did not, so I was looking at how to add the new folder. Adding an ordinary new folder just created a new folder without the arrow icon. So I created a new folder with the name $Known$. They looked like ordinary folders at the end of the account-folders list until I used the move-up option. Once moved above the Trash icon it developed the arrow-icon and looked like the other 'Inbox-Known' folders. Is this the correct way to create these new 'Inbox-Known' folders? Someone said here a few days ago, that even after using The Bat! for several years there was always something new to learn. That's very true! -- David Stone (UK) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! Version 1.60. Platform Windows 98SE 4.10. Ver. A I.E. version 5.50.4807.2300IC SP2 Current Ver: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating an Inbox-Known folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, March 24, 2002, at 6:16:39 AM PST, David Stone wrote: Is this the correct way to create these new 'Inbox-Known' folders? I'm a bit curious about this too. I installed v1.60 over my previous version (1.53t), and I don't see any Inbox-Known folders. However - if I look in my sorting office for each account, I see a currently *inactive* known incoming filter. Even after activating the filter, and testing by sending myself mail from a known address, the message simply goes into the regular Inbox, and there is no Inbox-Known (and no choice of that to move known mail to). So... I seem to have known filter rules ready to go, but no Inbox-Known folders. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_8Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8ngzkjVbXUvsE8ukRAqMpAKDTX8o16qEKpJQYDLMEfYdp3R4vkQCcDMEB DowUjFMP8puiy+e8jqRNi2k= =7GIQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating an Inbox-Known folder
Hello Melissa Reese, On Sunday, March 24 2002 at 09:29 AM PDT, you wrote: Even after activating the filter, and testing by sending myself mail from a known address, the message simply goes into the regular Inbox, and there is no Inbox-Known (and no choice of that to move known mail to). That has been my experience as well. Try as I may, I could never get TB to create an Inbox-Known. Early in the Beta Program I remember reading where you could delete a certain file... forget which one... that allowed a User to delete that Folder. I did that at the time and sure enough the Inbox-Known Folder was gone, but I would have thought that with installing v1.60 that file would have been re-created. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Current Ver: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating an Inbox-Known folder
Sunday, March 24, 2002 9:49 PM GMT -0800 (PST) Hello Melissa, This is a reply to your message dated Sunday, March 24, 2002, 9:29:40 AM, when you wrote: MR On Sunday, March 24, 2002, at 6:16:39 AM PST, David Stone wrote: Is this the correct way to create these new 'Inbox-Known' folders? MR I'm a bit curious about this too. I installed v1.60 over my previous MR version (1.53t), and I don't see any Inbox-Known folders. However - MR if I look in my sorting office for each account, I see a currently MR *inactive* known incoming filter. Just create a new folder for each account and name it $Known$ (with the dollar signs) This creats an Inbox - Known folder. -- Wayne Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox-Known ?
Haye, On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, at 10:45:45 [GMT +0700] (which was 9:15 AM where I live) you wrote: H Can any body tell me, what the meaning of the folder Inbox-known ? This I believe beta issue and am not sure if its to be discussed here. In short this is an attempt to create a spam filter based on the logic that senders whose address is in the your address book would be filtered to the inbox-known rest to the normal inbox. TGIF, Have a great weekend! -- Warm regards, Raj mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On the other hand, you have different fingers. Replied on 11 Jan 2002 using TB Ver 1.54 Beta/24 on Windows NT -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
