Re: (Sort of) New User Questions

[Fred Weissman]

Thanks Jernej!

I've looked at the Editor/Viewer options a million times and must've skipped 
over HTML Viewer. Once I disabled that everything fell into place, including 
how my adding attachments. 

As for changing the email address of this list, it was right where you said it 
would be - thanks very much for the link.

Appreciate the help. 


> On Thursday, June 9, 2022, 20:17:55, Fred Weissman wrote:

>> 1- I'm  a plain-text person, not HTML. I will use it for email when 
>> absolutely necessary. I want my new messages -and- my replies to be in 
>> plain-text. Where and what are the proper settings to make this the default 
>> no matter what format the reply is?

> Check out the options in Preferences → Viewer/Editor, everything you need is 
> there.

>> 2- Perhaps related to #1, when I add an attachment to a new message or a 
>> reply, it becomes part of the body of the message. In v2 I was to have 
>> attachments as icons in a pane to the left of the message editor. Again, how 
>> can I make this the default?

> Not sure about this – my attachments always appear in a separate pane.

>> 3- In regards to this mailing list (TBUDL) how can I change my email 
>> address? I signed up with one address, but am now needing to change to 
>> another.

> Check if there's an option at 
> , but 
> otherwise you have to unsubscribe with old address and subscribe with the new 
> one.



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Re: (Sort of) New User Questions

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, June 9, 2022, 20:17:55, Fred Weissman wrote:

> 1- I'm  a plain-text person, not HTML. I will use it for email when 
> absolutely necessary. I want my new messages -and- my replies to be in 
> plain-text. Where and what are the proper settings to make this the default 
> no matter what format the reply is?

Check out the options in Preferences → Viewer/Editor, everything you need is 
there.

> 2- Perhaps related to #1, when I add an attachment to a new message or a 
> reply, it becomes part of the body of the message. In v2 I was to have 
> attachments as icons in a pane to the left of the message editor. Again, how 
> can I make this the default?

Not sure about this – my attachments always appear in a separate pane.

> 3- In regards to this mailing list (TBUDL) how can I change my email address? 
> I signed up with one address, but am now needing to change to another.

Check if there's an option at 
, but otherwise 
you have to unsubscribe with old address and subscribe with the new one.

-- 
< Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< https://eternallybored.org/ >

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(Sort of) New User Questions

[Fred Weissman]

After many (many!) years of using v2, I finally ungraded to v10. Needless to 
say, there have been a few changes, most of which I have figured out. Here are 
a couple with which I need help.
 
1- I'm  a plain-text person, not HTML. I will use it for email when absolutely 
necessary. I want my new messages -and- my replies to be in plain-text. Where 
and what are the proper settings to make this the default no matter what format 
the reply is?
 
2- Perhaps related to #1, when I add an attachment to a new message or a reply, 
it becomes part of the body of the message. In v2 I was to have attachments as 
icons in a pane to the left of the message editor. Again, how can I make this 
the default?
 
3- In regards to this mailing list (TBUDL) how can I change my email address? I 
signed up with one address, but am now needing to change to another.
 
Thanks.
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Re: Questions about addressing

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Saturday, April 16, 2016, 8:03:23 AM, Paul Van Noord 
(tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

> Open the address group. Highlight any address. Go CTRL+A. Hold down the
> CTRL key and click on the unwanted address(s) to deselect them.

"deselect" temporarily, but not permanently, right?

Leonard
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Re: Questions about addressing

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Saturday, April 16, 2016, 10:49:46 AM, Miguel Urech 
(tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

> When  the  pick-list  is  displayed, use the Down and Up arrow keys to
> scroll  to  the  unwanted address and, once there, just hit the Delete
> key.

Thanks. I'll try that.

Leonard
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Re: Questions about addressing

[MAU]

Hello Leonard,


> How can I delete the unwanted addresses from the pick-list?

When  the  pick-list  is  displayed, use the Down and Up arrow keys to
scroll  to  the  unwanted address and, once there, just hit the Delete
key.


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Re: Questions about addressing

[Paul Van Noord]

4/16/2016  8:00 AM

Hi Leonard,

On 4/14/2016 Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote:

LSB> When sending a group e-mail, is it possible to omit one of the
LSB> addressees on an ad-hoc basis. Let's say that I remind this group of
LSB> our weekly meeting. Next week, at the weekly meeting, we plan a
LSB> surprise birthday party for one of the people. When I write about this
LSB> event to the group, clearly, I do not want to tip off the celebrant.
LSB> How do I sent mail to the group but omitting one person?

LSB> Sure if it is a small group, it is possible just to select from the
LSB> address book the people for whom the mail is intended, but a group
LSB> of 50? Ugh!

Open the address group. Highlight any address. Go CTRL+A. Hold down the
CTRL key and click on the unwanted address(s) to deselect them.

- --
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Re: Questions about addressing

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Thursday, April 14, 2016, 6:59:55 PM, Rick Grunwalds 
(tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

> Deleting is tricky. To the far right of each line there are 3
> boxes. Select the leftmost one an the list will drop down. Anu
> clicks or keys will close it EXCEPT the down arrow. Arrow down to
> the offending address then hit the delete key

> It takes a steady hand. If the lost rolls up unexpectedly a couple of times - 
> it isn't you :))

Funny thing happened since I first wrote. The two suggestions with the
old address of this addressee have disappeared on their own.

Thanks.

Leonard
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Re: Questions about addressing

[Rick]

> First question:

> When addressing, clicking a blank area in one of the windows (To: CC:
> BCC: and Subject:), a little pick-list appears. It seems that these
> suggestions come from both the address book and from e-mails received
> (maybe even sent) Very convenient until
> one of these people has changed his/her e-mail address. The
> suggestions from the address book appear with the new (i.e., changed)
> e-mail address. However, the other appear as well. Chance of picking
> the wrong suggested addressee. How can I delete the unwanted addresses
> from the pick-list?

> Second question:

> When sending a group e-mail, is it possible to omit one of the
> addressees on an ad-hoc basis. Let's say that I remind this group of
> our weekly meeting. Next week, at the weekly meeting, we plan a
> surprise birthday party for one of the people. When I write about this
> event to the group, clearly, I do not want to tip off the celebrant.
> How do I sent mail to the group but omitting one person?

> Sure if it is a small group, it is possible just to select from the
> address book the people for whom the mail is intended, but a group
> of 50? Ugh!

Deleting is tricky. To the far right of each line there are 3 boxes. Select the 
leftmost one an the list will drop down. Anu clicks or keys will close it 
EXCEPT the down arrow. Arrow down to the offending address then hit the delete 
key

It takes a steady hand. If the lost rolls up unexpectedly a couple of times - 
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Questions about addressing

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

First question:

When addressing, clicking a blank area in one of the windows (To: CC:
BCC: and Subject:), a little pick-list appears. It seems that these
suggestions come from both the address book and from e-mails received
(maybe even sent) Very convenient until
one of these people has changed his/her e-mail address. The
suggestions from the address book appear with the new (i.e., changed)
e-mail address. However, the other appear as well. Chance of picking
the wrong suggested addressee. How can I delete the unwanted addresses
from the pick-list?

Second question:

When sending a group e-mail, is it possible to omit one of the
addressees on an ad-hoc basis. Let's say that I remind this group of
our weekly meeting. Next week, at the weekly meeting, we plan a
surprise birthday party for one of the people. When I write about this
event to the group, clearly, I do not want to tip off the celebrant.
How do I sent mail to the group but omitting one person?

Sure if it is a small group, it is possible just to select from the
address book the people for whom the mail is intended, but a group
of 50? Ugh!

Thanks.

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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Rick]

RT Hi Rick,

outside the /Users directory and not in /Program Files (x86) or any
other access protected directory.
 Thanks! You have given me something to think about. I am coming off
 of XP so I haven't had the experience with the win 7 environment

RT You can put it into C:\Users\Public\Documents or create a new
RT directory in C:\Users\Public and use that. Don't forget to add that to
RT the backup :-)

Thanks  to  everyone  for  the  suggestions!  It is up and running and
working  fine in 2 accounts. The only issue I have found is that you
shoulc  NOT  close it in one account as it compresses the database and
creates  odd  results for the other user - which is easily remedied by
having them shut down the program and restart it

Thanks again for the tips!

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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Rick]

You can put it into C:\Users\Public\Documents or create a new directory in 
C:\Users\Public and use that. Don't forget to add that to the backup :-)
Thanks - that is what I will do. No one uses the computer but my wife and I and 
I would like her to have her own setup so she can deal with the things she 
likes and not have to worry with all my stuff (I like to play )   :))

-- 
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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Rick]

RT Moin Rick,

 I  am  upgrading  to  64  bit Windows 8. Any advice or things I should
 watch for?

RT Nothing special. If you want to use File History make sure to put the
RT mail base into documents and not into %APPDATA%.

 If  possible  I am going to use 2 logins (one for my wife).

RT You really should do that.

 If the Bat is loaded twice (once in each login) does that make any
 issues of which I should be aware?

RT With the normal setup that should work fine.

 I would LIKE to have both profiles accessing the same database as I
 do all the maintenance and process all the spam

RT That might be a problem. But only if both users are logged in at the
RT time. Which will likely happen with the shiny new device...

Thanks  for  the reply! Is there any downside to operating on the same
mail  folder as long as we are not both accessing it at the same time?
I would REALLY hate to split her stuff off

-- 
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Coffee is Love

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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Sam Brown]

On 2012-11-29 15:56, Rick wrote:
Thanks  for  the reply! Is there any downside to operating on the 
same
mail  folder as long as we are not both accessing it at the same 
time?

I would REALLY hate to split her stuff off


(This suggestion comes from my experience with Win7, so I don't know 
what the directory structure looks like for Win8, but I'm thinking you 
can probably find the proper analogs.)


I think the important detail has to do with where you put the mail 
folder in the filesystem. If you put it in an %APPDATA% directory or in 
a Documents directory (under one of the user accounts) then the other 
user won't be able to access that directory. Therefore, you will 
probably have to put the mail folder at the filesystem root or in some 
directory that is outside the /Users directory and not in /Program Files 
(x86) or any other access protected directory.


__
-Sam


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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Raymund Tump]

Hi Rick,

RT That might be a problem. But only if both users are logged in at the
RT time. Which will likely happen with the shiny new device...
 Thanks for the reply! Is there any downside to operating on the same
 mail folder as long as we are not both accessing it at the same
 time?

No.

 I would REALLY hate to split her stuff off

Why not settle the issue just by using IMAP? Than it doesn't matter
where the mail base is.

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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Rick]

Why not settle the issue just by using IMAP? Than it doesn't matter where the 
mail base is.
I really don't want to use IMAP at this point. Thanks for the reply though :)

-- 
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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Rick]

If you put it in an %APPDATA% directory or in a Documents directory (under one 
of the user accounts) then the other user won't be able to access that 
directory. Therefore, you will probably have to put the mail folder at the 
filesystem root or in some directory that is outside the /Users directory and 
not in /Program Files (x86) or any other access protected directory.
Thanks! You have given me something to think about. I am coming off of XP so I 
haven't had the experience with the win 7 environment

-- 
Rick
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Raymund Tump]

Hi Rick,

outside the /Users directory and not in /Program Files (x86) or any
other access protected directory.
 Thanks! You have given me something to think about. I am coming off
 of XP so I haven't had the experience with the win 7 environment

You can put it into C:\Users\Public\Documents or create a new
directory in C:\Users\Public and use that. Don't forget to add that to
the backup :-)

-- 
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Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Rick]

I  am  upgrading  to  64  bit Windows 8. Any advice or things I should
watch for?

If  possible  I am going to use 2 logins (one for my wife). If the Bat
is  loaded  twice  (once  in  each login) does that make any issues of
which  I should be aware? I would LIKE to have both profiles accessing
the same database as I do all the maintenance and process all the spam

I am moving up from XP, so I don't know much :)


-- 
Rick
Only when the last tree has died, the last river been poisoned, the last fish 
been caught, will we realize we can not eat money,
Cree proverb

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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Jernej Simončič]

On Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 23:53:20, Melissa Reese wrote:

 Windows 7 is clearly an upgrade from XP.  I'm not so sure about
 Windows 8 - much too early to tell.

It definitely is. If the lack of Start Menu annoys you, there's
Classic Shell http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ (free, but it's
Start Menu is somewhat quirky) or StartIsBack
http://startisback.com/ ($3 for 2 computers, but it's nearly
identical to Windows 7's Start Menu).

Also, currently the upgrade to Win8 Pro costs 30€, while upgrade to
Windows 7 is around 200€.

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Spend sufficient time in confirming the need and the need will disappear.
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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Melissa Reese]

Hi Jernej,

On Wednesday, November 28, 2012, at 3:03:55 PM PST, you wrote:

 It definitely is. If the lack of Start Menu annoys you, there's
 Classic Shell http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ (free, but it's
 Start Menu is somewhat quirky) or StartIsBack
 http://startisback.com/ ($3 for 2 computers, but it's nearly
 identical to Windows 7's Start Menu).

Sad, isn't it, to require a third party fix right out of the box
just to maintain some basic functionality that we've come to
appreciate? Since my only touch screen devices run Android, I
certainly don't need the extra bloat--and potential resultant
issues--associated with the Windows 8 all-in-one approach.

 Also, currently the upgrade to Win8 Pro costs 30€, while upgrade to
 Windows 7 is around 200€.

Depends on where you are, who you know, how much patience you have, or
how lucky you can be.  Here in the US, even the full retail price
wouldn't come close to 200€ ($200 USD, at most).

My main laptop came with Windows 7 installed, but my two new (used,
but new to me) little netbooks needed new OSs after I installed new
hard drives in them. I got a legitimate copy of Windows 7 for $45 USD
(unused, on Craigslist - someone got it as a gift, but didn't need
it). There was even someone (a computer tech) selling a System
Builder DVD for the same price (these contain all versions of Windows
7, both 32 and 64 bit - with pre-programmed license activation) for
the same price. Not being an official system builder myself, I did
feel a bit awkward about that, so I just went with the plain Jane
copy of Home Premium. Good enough for my purposes.

Microsoft still has to support Windows 7 for several years to come,
and since I've had a really good experience with this version, I see
no point in messing about with a pre-SP1 Windows 8.

To each our own. :)

-- 
Melissa

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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Rick]

 I  am  upgrading  to  64  bit Windows 8.

MR If you want an upgrade at this point, I might recommend you move to
MR Windows 7.

 Any advice or things I should watch for?

MR If there's a reason you really want to move to Windows
MR 8--eventually--I'd advise waiting at least until Service Pack 1
MR (usually a good idea). What to watch for? Watch for bugs.

 I am moving up from XP, so I don't know much :)

MR Windows 7 is clearly an upgrade from XP.  I'm not so sure about
MR Windows 8 - much too early to tell.

Thanks  for  the  reply. Win 8 is a done deal - it is going into a new
machine on Friday :)

-- 
Rick
Stand up for peace every day: speak for the voiceless, seek justice for the 
oppressed, feed those who are hungry or homeless,comfort those who suffer.  
They are all our brothers and sisters. 

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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Rick]

JS On Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 23:53:20, Melissa Reese wrote:

 Windows 7 is clearly an upgrade from XP.  I'm not so sure about
 Windows 8 - much too early to tell.

JS It definitely is. If the lack of Start Menu annoys you, there's
JS Classic Shell http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ (free, but it's
JS Start Menu is somewhat quirky) or StartIsBack
JS http://startisback.com/ ($3 for 2 computers, but it's nearly
JS identical to Windows 7's Start Menu).

JS Also, currently the upgrade to Win8 Pro costs 30€, while upgrade to
JS Windows 7 is around 200€.

Thanks - i am saving this in case I need it. Sweetie may want all that
back

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Rick
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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Raymund Tump]

Hi Melissa,

 I  am  upgrading  to  64  bit Windows 8.
 If you want an upgrade at this point, I might recommend you move to
 Windows 7.

I use Windows 8 since more than a year and the missing start menu is
something that isn't missing after a week or so.

And the system boots quicker, reacts quicker and if you by any change
have a touch device you got a new way of manipulating things. All
good.

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Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions

[Raymund Tump]

Moin Rick,

 I  am  upgrading  to  64  bit Windows 8. Any advice or things I should
 watch for?

Nothing special. If you want to use File History make sure to put the
mail base into documents and not into %APPDATA%.

 If  possible  I am going to use 2 logins (one for my wife).

You really should do that.

 If the Bat is loaded twice (once in each login) does that make any
 issues of which I should be aware?

With the normal setup that should work fine.

 I would LIKE to have both profiles accessing the same database as I
 do all the maintenance and process all the spam

That might be a problem. But only if both users are logged in at the
time. Which will likely happen with the shiny new device...

-- 
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placing a pic into the editor ? other questions from Bits

[Steven Avery]

Hi Folks,

Greetings.

I had a little questions that I asked on the Bits Du Jour site, some 
got answered, these still are kicking around.

http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/the-bat-home-edition/



#1
can we paste pictures right into TheBat! editor ?
(Abbyy Screenshot Reader will send a pic to the clipboard, then I 
paste them in, jpeg or png is fine).




#2
While there are five filter types, nothing really corresponds to 
Manual in Eudora. I like to use a two-stage filtering system, and 
manual takes the whole keboodle from stage 1 to state 2 (some read, 
some unread).   Do you have a way to accomplish this in TheBat! 
?  That is .. coming in I put 20 forums into one box, then I want 
them to go home to rest on a later manual filter.




New

#3
the .tbb file structure, is it one big disk file (like Outlook and 
the old Courier style) or is it broken down by mailboxes, like the 
.mbx of Eudora.




Thanks

Note: this forum would be easier to use if the mail had something 
like [tb] or [thebat] in the subject line


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Re: placing a pic into the editor ? other questions from Bits

[Rick]

 #1
 can we paste pictures right into TheBat! editor ?
 (Abbyy Screenshot Reader will send a pic to the clipboard, then I 
 paste them in, jpeg or png is fine).

I  do  that  from  Snagit,  but  I can also drag and drop them from my
graphics  program.  (one  at  a time - more than that and they will be
attachments and not inline

 #2
 While there are five filter types, nothing really corresponds to 
 Manual in Eudora. I like to use a two-stage filtering system, and 
 manual takes the whole keboodle from stage 1 to state 2 (some read, 
 some unread).   Do you have a way to accomplish this in TheBat! 
 ?  That is .. coming in I put 20 forums into one box, then I want 
 them to go home to rest on a later manual filter.

Create  2 filters and make the second one manual (am I understanding
you correctly?)

 #3
 the .tbb file structure, is it one big disk file (like Outlook and 
 the old Courier style) or is it broken down by mailboxes, like the 
 .mbx of Eudora.

Each mailbox has it's own files and generally corresponds in structure
to your folder structure in The Bat


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Re: placing a pic into the editor ? other questions from Bits

[MAU]

Hello Steven,

 #1
 can we paste pictures right into TheBat! editor ?
 (Abbyy Screenshot Reader will send a pic to the clipboard, then I 
 paste them in, jpeg or png is fine).

AFAIK yes, if message format you are writing is HTML.

 #2
 While there are five filter types, nothing really corresponds to 
 Manual in Eudora. I like to use a two-stage filtering system, and 
 manual takes the whole keboodle from stage 1 to state 2 (some read, 
 some unread).   Do you have a way to accomplish this in TheBat! 
 ?  That is .. coming in I put 20 forums into one box, then I want 
 them to go home to rest on a later manual filter.

Any filter can be set for manual execution only.

 #3
 the .tbb file structure, is it one big disk file (like Outlook and 
 the old Courier style) or is it broken down by mailboxes, like the 
 .mbx of Eudora.

The structure on disk replicates your account and folder structure, and 
there is a separate .tbb file for each folder.

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Re: Migrating to a new computer - a few questions...

[Brian]

Hello Melissa,

Saturday, November 12, 2011, 6:10:38 PM, you wrote:

 Hi,

 On Wednesday, November 09, 2011, at 11:11:28 AM PST, I wrote:

 Are there any specific issues/problems I should be aware of in
 moving my Bat installation from this Win XP machine to my new Win 7
 machine?

 I realize it's in bad form to reply to myself, and I apologize for
 this, but since no one else replied to this message, someone had to do
 it! ;)

 Just wanted to offer a little update...

 Though I'm still waiting for my new OS software to be delivered
 (thought it would arrive last week, but it looks like it'll be Monday
 instead), I did decide to at least give this Bat migration a good
 test. I'm happy to say that while the backup/restore process wasn't
 perfect in every way, it was mostly painless, and now I have a
 perfectly working Bat on this new machine.

 During my first attempt at fresh installation and restoration from
 backup, I ran into a problem that still seems a bit peculiar to me,
 but I got around it for the moment: it kept claiming to be unable to
 create a Mail folder within the main Bat program folder.  At this
 point, the installation would abort.  I finally tried one of the other
 options, and that allowed the installation to continue.  Then...

On  answers.microsoft.com forum someone asked a question about Access
denied  on  editing  file  under c:\program files\ and the answer was
that in Windows 7 applications are not supposed to store user-writable
files in the Program Files folder.  That's what the ProgramData folder
is for.

Someone  else  chimed in that instead of installing the program to the
Program Files folder to install it to another folder then the built-in
restrictions on writing to the Program Files folder would not apply.

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Re: Migrating to a new computer - a few questions...

[Melissa Reese]

Hi Brian,

On Wednesday, November 16, 2011, at 11:48:11 AM PST, you wrote:

 On answers.microsoft.com forum someone asked a question about
 Access denied on editing file under c:\program files\ and the
 answer was that in Windows 7 applications are not supposed to store
 user-writable files in the Program Files folder. That's what the
 ProgramData folder is for.

Thank you - that's interesting! :)

 Someone else chimed in that instead of installing the program to the
 Program Files folder to install it to another folder then the
 built-in restrictions on writing to the Program Files folder would
 not apply.

Here's my actual agenda in this regard...

During initial installation, I just wanted an easy place (easy for me
to remember/find) to temporarily store the Mail folder, so that once
everything was up and running as I wanted, I would then take that
folder out and put it into an encrypted TrueCrypt volume - in an
undisclosed location (sort of like a vice-president ;)).

Thanks again - I appreciate the information!

-- 
Melissa

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Re: Migrating to a new computer - a few questions...

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 16 November 2011 at 7:48:11 PM, in
mid:6710644364.2016144...@runbox.com, Brian wrote:


 On  answers.microsoft.com forum someone asked a
 question about Access denied  on  editing  file  under
 c:\program files\ and the answer was that in Windows 7
 applications are not supposed to store user-writable
 files in the Program Files folder.  That's what the
 ProgramData folder is for.

Sounds like %programfiles% and %appdata% on XP.



 Someone  else  chimed in that instead of installing the
 program to the Program Files folder to install it to
 another folder then the built-in restrictions on
 writing to the Program Files folder would not apply.  

That works on XP as well but I think the usual solution is to run as 
an administrator account instead of a user account...


-- 
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I'll tell you what's the matter!  This parrot is dead!

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Re: Migrating to a new computer - a few questions...

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 12 Nov 2011, 
   @  @  at 15:10:38 -0800, when Melissa Reese wrote:

 I realize it's in bad form to reply to myself, and I apologize for
 this, but since no one else replied to this message, someone had to do
 it! ;)

Absolutely! Talking to own self is sometimes the best solution. (:

I mean talking it out is better than be silent.

.

 Now everything is up and running, and working very well! :)

There you see... You just were persistent and solved little bunch of
problems... I like your mind.

 I'm still wondering why the new installation had trouble creating a
 Mail folder within the main program folder, but this is something I
 can investigate at my leisure.

Well, so it is... Behind every software stands some mind, who made it,
that is accustomed to work some way. So if you try to do things other
way with some software, it will not work, for a first several while(s?).
But if you _really_ need something done one defined way it will work at
the end. The specific mind of the given software will accept what you
need. It will surrender to your will/needs. - I give no bit no more to
the stories of computers' exactness and 'scientific' roots, they are in
their essence totally irrational things: now it will work, now it will
not. It all depends on various planetary cycles, moon phases (pay
attention that these days is in full phase), a fly sitting or not on the
memory stick, air humidity and who knows what else. The living example
is Windows(r) itself, and we all know this. At the end, we need an
entire system of the lists dedicated to howtos, to cope with TB!! (: A
piece of software. (: Is this for nothing? Of course it is not. Just
don't give up no matter what happens and watch the threads of the misty
mystic law behind all this behavior. A solution always exists. This or
that way...

(:

Have a happy day...
-- 
Mica
 ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
 in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~
GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/
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Re: Migrating to a new computer - a few questions...

[Melissa Reese]

Hi,

On Wednesday, November 09, 2011, at 11:11:28 AM PST, I wrote:

 Are there any specific issues/problems I should be aware of in
 moving my Bat installation from this Win XP machine to my new Win 7
 machine?

I realize it's in bad form to reply to myself, and I apologize for
this, but since no one else replied to this message, someone had to do
it! ;)

Just wanted to offer a little update...

Though I'm still waiting for my new OS software to be delivered
(thought it would arrive last week, but it looks like it'll be Monday
instead), I did decide to at least give this Bat migration a good
test. I'm happy to say that while the backup/restore process wasn't
perfect in every way, it was mostly painless, and now I have a
perfectly working Bat on this new machine.

During my first attempt at fresh installation and restoration from
backup, I ran into a problem that still seems a bit peculiar to me,
but I got around it for the moment: it kept claiming to be unable to
create a Mail folder within the main Bat program folder.  At this
point, the installation would abort.  I finally tried one of the other
options, and that allowed the installation to continue.  Then...

I have several current accounts, along with many folders of [much]
older accounts just used as archives at this point. When I chose
select all (all folders/sub-folders), clicking next would bring me
to a not responding error, and again, the installation would abort.
I tried again (after removing the newly created RIT folder in the
registry), and same problem.  So then...

I cleared the registry again, and started another fresh install. This
time, I only selected the two most essential current accounts for
restoration, and finally, everything went smoothly. Once I got that
going, I decided to recreate the two other active accounts one-by-one
from scratch (didn't really need to keep those particular account
archives anyway). Now everything is up and running, and working very
well! :)

I'm still wondering why the new installation had trouble creating a
Mail folder within the main program folder, but this is something I
can investigate at my leisure.

Thanks again to those who offered their help in the other thread.

-- 
Melissa

PGP Public Key: http://tinyurl.com/2cmefzy

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Migrating to a new computer - a few questions...

[Melissa Reese]

Hi,

Tonight, I'll be migrating from this old Win XP (32 bit) desktop
computer to a new Win 7 (64 bit) laptop. In order to make this as
painless as possible, I hope I can get a few questions answered before
I leap...

I've never yet used the restore from backup function in the Bat, so
this will be a new experience for me. As I try to understand it,
here's what I'm planning on doing...

1. Install a fresh copy of Bat (v4.2.44.2) on the new machine, and
input my registration code.

2. Restore from saved copy of backup (will have this saved on an
external drive)

3. Replace default Mail folder with copy of current Mail folder
(it's nearly 2 GB)

4. Install a new copy of TrueCrypt, move Mail folder into new
TrueCrypt volume in a new location, then set appropriate new Mail
file location within Bat preferences.

I'm hoping this process will yield a perfectly functional clone of
my current Bat setup.

Does all this seem reasonable, so far?

Are there any specific issues/problems I should be aware of in moving
my Bat installation from this Win XP machine to my new Win 7 machine?

Then...

I've been using K9 SPAM filtering for many years now.  Will this older
program still work on a Win 7 64 bit machine?

Thanks for any and all comments, recommendations, etc. that you might
be able to offer!

-- 
Melissa

PGP Public Key: http://tinyurl.com/2cmefzy

TB! v4.2.44.2 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2



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Re: Old files, file extension questions (Cache Matter :))

[Miles Chang]

Hello RS,

 Not  mentioning that due to the fact that I live in Shanghai sometimes
 the  links  embedded  in the message are not possible to be downloaded
 from  some foreign servers (with a high ping and sometimes Time Out up
 to  50%)  -  service  quality  I  know, so I do not complain here just
 dreaming at the moment :)

 I'm on DianXin, biggest Internet provider in China and as it always is
 with biggest service they give you sucks... unfortunately I can't have
 installed  any other.

 Just  if  anyone  in  China  wonders  if to install WanTong - I had it
 before I moved to new apartment and it was 'flying'.

Just a little off topic. I'm also the user of Shanghai telecom. I agree that its
service is bad sometimes. But, trust me, the service of netcom(merged into
unioncom now) is worse. Perhaps we can discuss those things in private mails:-)

-- 
Best regards,
 Miles Chang  mailto:drift...@gmx.com
Translator of Chinese The Bat!  AntispamSniper
Agent: The Bat! v5.0.22.7 (ALPHA)
Plugins: AntispamSniper v3.2.6.4  MyMacros 1.11a
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Re: Old files, file extension questions (Cache Matter :))

[RS (FEDARA)]

Hi Miles,

 Just a little off topic. I'm also the user of Shanghai telecom. I agree that 
 its
 service is bad sometimes. But, trust me, the service of netcom(merged into
 unioncom now) is worse. Perhaps we can discuss those things in private 
 mails:-)

Condolences about Shanghai Telecom ;)

Never tied a mix you've mentioned and not going to :)

-- 
Best Regards,
RS (FEDARA)

The Bat! 4.2.44.2
Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1)

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Re: Old files, file extension questions

[Abigail Marshall]

Follow up  new problem/issue.

AM *2. Mail Folders:  .BCK, .BK0, .BK1, IBO, IB1*
 AM My individual mail folders have a lot of OLD files (at least +1 year)
 that
 AM have extensions that look like the above. usually named something like
 AM MESSAGES.BCK
 I get the .BCK files when I try to back-up or compress folders and
 there is some problem. Next time the file extension increases to .BK0,
 then .BK1, then .BK2 and so on. You can recover messages from there,
 but I usually decide that I don't miss any messages, so I delete these
 files.
 I have never seen .IB0 or .IB1 files.


1.  I went ahead and deleted everything that looked like a backup -- it's
possible that some of the odd extensions (like IBO) were created by some
other backup or virus protection program a long the way... but the main
thing was all those files were at least a year old, so whatever they are, I
don't need them now.


AM *1. Attachment Folder,  *.msg extensions*
 *.msg should be messages that were attached to emails. You can
 double-click on them and then they will open in TB!. So you can decide
 whether you want to keep them.


2. I did figure out how to read them.  I didn't want to open them up in TB
because I wanted the program to be closed while I was doing the cleanup, but
I found another utility that made it easy to drag  drop  read.

I  delete the Cache and the imgfiles folder several time a day. I view
 a  lot of graphics and things can get out of control quickly. I have a
 batch  file to do it on the fly, but it is part of my Ccleaner routine
 too


3. Once I deleted the contents of the cache file it didn't come back, and
all of the files in the cache were pretty old, so I'm guessing that it might
not be used with version  5.   Nothing at all is in the imgfiles directory
other than two empty files called FilesDB.info and FilesDB.info__

Maybe that has something to do with my settings.

4.  Now for the new/different problem or bug.

I have always had TheBat configured to save all attachments to a separate
folder (rather than the body of messages).   I was housecleaning because the
attachments folder seemed to have grown extremely large.   I discovered to
my dismay when doing the cleaning that TheBat had created multiple copies
many of the attachments, generally with names following this pattern:
 filename.ext, filename1.ext, filename2.ext -- and I could see that recent
copies of the documents seemed to correspond with the date/time that
scheduled backups are run on my system.  This happened with many, but not
all, attachments.  Sometimes there were as many as 60 copies of the same
file.   Obviously a problem when it is a large file to start with, but even
with small files is all adds up.

I SUSPECT that this may be tied to parked emails.  I've always known that
TheBat has the annoying tendency to make extra copies of parked emails from
time to time, but it didn't occur to me that it might be replicating the
attachments as well.

Since the time of the duplication seems to also correlate with automated
backup, I've decided to stop backing up the attachments folder. (I have
alternate backup in place for that,  so that would be easy enough to restore
if needed).

But I wanted to raise this as this is definitely an issue that could impact
performance for others - so it is something to watch out for.  I had noticed
that the routine backups were starting to take very long to complete -- now
I have an idea what was going on, though I still don't know why it happened.


-Abigail

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Re: Old files, file extension questions

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 10 August 2011 at 1:48:33 AM, in
mid:cahoaklbist6rbholqwwz15w5bn_fiu5hvmo7ouppfe6pz5m...@mail.gmail.com,
Abigail Marshall wrote:


 Am I assuming correctly that the files in TheBat cache
 are unnecessary (except for those currently in use)?

 In other words, safe to delete all files from cache
 as part of regular maintenance?

I know nothing of a The Bat! cache, but it is safe (when TB! is not 
running) to delete bat*.tmp files from your temp folders. Generally 
they are deleted when no longer needed but can get left behind.



-- 
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To know what we know, and know what we do not know, is wisdom.

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Re: Old files, file extension questions

[Rick]

 Hi


 On Wednesday 10 August 2011 at 1:48:33 AM, in
 mid:cahoaklbist6rbholqwwz15w5bn_fiu5hvmo7ouppfe6pz5m...@mail.gmail.com,
 Abigail Marshall wrote:


 Am I assuming correctly that the files in TheBat cache
 are unnecessary (except for those currently in use)?

 In other words, safe to delete all files from cache
 as part of regular maintenance?

 I know nothing of a The Bat! cache, but it is safe (when TB! is not 
 running) to delete bat*.tmp files from your temp folders. Generally 
 they are deleted when no longer needed but can get left behind.

I  delete  the cache even with TB running - it will recreate any files
it  needs.  I  keep  the  imgfile  folder  clean too as I download all
graphics and it can fill in a hurry.

I might add that the cache and imgfile folders SAVE BANDWIDTH. I am on
a  wide band connection. If you are on dial up, you might want to be a
bit more selective as to how often you clean them out



-- 
Rick
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on; and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.
The Tempest

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Old files, file extension questions

[Abigail Marshall]

I'm running TB Home Edition 5.0.20.1 and as I have been using TB for many
years, there seem to be a lot of old stuff accumulated that is taking up
space and so I'm doing some housecleaning -- but I'm not sure what is safe
to delete and what isn't.   So I have these questions:

*1. Attachment Folder,  *.msg extensions*

TB is configured to store all attachments in a single folder.  As
attachments take a lot of room, it makes sense for me to go through the
folder and either move important files that I need to keep to another part
of my computer, and delete other stuff I don't need, especially for older
stuff.  Attachments can be very large files that take up a lot of room, and
they are hard to find within the mail program after a few weeks or months
have gone by.   In other words:

Pictures of my grandson:   (move from attachments to /pictures/grandson
directory -- easier to find that way anyway)

Funny joke cat pictures mailed the senders 300 closest friends: delete.
 forever. goodbye.

But I see a lot of files in the attachments folder that have the extension
*.msg  - *I don't know what those are and whether they are needed or not.
 Are they just superfluous attachments that come from outlook users? or will
deleting the .msg file also mean that I have deleted the content of the
email that it was initially attached to as well?  (In which case maybe I
need to back up before deleting?)

*2. Mail Folders:  .BCK, .BK0, .BK1, IBO, IB1*
*
*
My individual mail folders have a lot of OLD files (at least +1 year) that
have extensions that look like the above. usually named something like
MESSAGES.BCK

 Am I correct in assuming that these are all backups of one sort or another,
and that the ONLY files I need in each folder are:
MESSAGES.TBB and
MESSAGES.TBN

I'm thinking that I could probably get rid of a lot of unneeded stuff, and
likely speed up my mail handling if I just got rid of these older files.

Anyway, I'd appreciate it if anyone would let me know if there is a reason
NOT to delete the above files.  Keep in mind that I am talking about files
that show last modified that are at least a year old.

Thanks,

Abigail

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Re: Old files, file extension questions

[Abigail Marshall]

One more question, along the same lines:

Am I assuming correctly that the files in TheBat cache are unnecessary
(except for those currently in use)?

In other words, safe to delete all files from cache as part of regular
maintenance?

-Abigail

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Re: Old files, file extension questions

[Rick]

 One more question, along the same lines:

 Am I assuming correctly that the files in TheBat cache are unnecessary
 (except for those currently in use)?

 In other words, safe to delete all files from cache as part of regular
 maintenance?

I  delete the Cache and the imgfiles folder several time a day. I view
a  lot of graphics and things can get out of control quickly. I have a
batch  file to do it on the fly, but it is part of my Ccleaner routine
too
-- 
Rick
You're only young once; you can be immature forever

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Re: Old files, file extension questions

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Abigail,

On Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:19:28 -0700 GMT (10/Aug/11, 6:19 AM +0700 GMT),
Abigail Marshall wrote:

AM *1. Attachment Folder,  *.msg extensions*

*.msg should be messages that were attached to emails. You can
double-click on them and then they will open in TB!. So you can decide
whether you want to keep them.

These should be attachments to messages, not the messages itself.

AM *2. Mail Folders:  .BCK, .BK0, .BK1, IBO, IB1*
AM *
AM *
AM My individual mail folders have a lot of OLD files (at least +1 year) that
AM have extensions that look like the above. usually named something like
AM MESSAGES.BCK

I get the .BCK files when I try to back-up or compress folders and
there is some problem. Next time the file extension increases to .BK0,
then .BK1, then .BK2 and so on. You can recover messages from there,
but I usually decide that I don't miss any messages, so I delete these
files.

I have never seen .IB0 or .IB1 files.

AM  Am I correct in assuming that these are all backups of one sort or another,
AM and that the ONLY files I need in each folder are:
AM MESSAGES.TBB and
AM MESSAGES.TBN

Yes, most of my folders have only these two files.

AM Anyway, I'd appreciate it if anyone would let me know if there is a reason
AM NOT to delete the above files.  Keep in mind that I am talking about files
AM that show last modified that are at least a year old.

As I said, I delete that stuff. But please wait for others to comment
before you follow my advice.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/

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Re: Old files, file extension questions (Cache Matter :))

[RS (FEDARA)]

Hi Rick,

 Am I assuming correctly that the files in TheBat cache are unnecessary
 (except for those currently in use)?

 In other words, safe to delete all files from cache as part of regular
 maintenance?

 I  delete the Cache and the imgfiles folder several time a day. I view
 a  lot of graphics and things can get out of control quickly. I have a
 batch  file to do it on the fly, but it is part of my Ccleaner routine
 too

I wish to have an option to save a cache with a TBK backup file :)
And  an  option  in  Message   Maintenance  to  clean cached files for
messages that  were  removed would be a nice feature :)

I  don't know why but it's getting longer on TB! (even up to 1 minute)
than  on  Thunderbird  (3-15  seconds  mostly)  to  get  external link
pictures in the messages downloaded.

Not  mentioning that due to the fact that I live in Shanghai sometimes
the  links  embedded  in the message are not possible to be downloaded
from  some foreign servers (with a high ping and sometimes Time Out up
to  50%)  -  service  quality  I  know, so I do not complain here just
dreaming at the moment :)

I'm on DianXin, biggest Internet provider in China and as it always is
with biggest service they give you sucks... unfortunately I can't have
installed  any other.

Just  if  anyone  in  China  wonders  if to install WanTong - I had it
before I moved to new apartment and it was 'flying'.

-- 
Best Regards,
RS (FEDARA)

The Bat! 4.2.44.2
Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1)

Wednesday, August 10, 2011 (11:50 ; GMT+8)





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Re: OTFE - some questions

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roelof,

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 03:07:56 +0100 GMT (05/Jan/11, 9:07 AM +0700 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:

M 1. What encryption does TB! used for OTFE? (Algorithm, key size, etc)

RO Unknown

M 2. What other programs can decrypt TB!'s encrypted files?

RO None

M 6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further access to the 
Mmessages?

RO Yes, unless you've created a backup. Even when you're using OTFE, TB's
RO backups  are  unencrypted, though it's possible to set a password with
RO encryption for your backups.

M 7. Can Voyager use OTFE?

RO Wrong question. ;-)
RO Voyager only uses OTFE, it can't use a plain message base.

I just cut this down to the points that concern my follow-up question:
I just found an old USB stick with Voyager. Trying to run it requires
a password, and I have tried all the combinations I could think of,
but cannot remember the old password.

I understand if I just reinstall Voyager, I still cannot read the
message base. Is there any way at all to retrieve the messages, or are
they lost forever?

BTW, does the latest Voyager allow plaintext if the user so decides?

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Re: OTFE - some questions

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Thomas,

On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 18:28:57 +0700GMT (8-1-2011, 12:28 , where I
live), you wrote:

TF I just cut this down to the points that concern my follow-up question:
TF I just found an old USB stick with Voyager. Trying to run it requires
TF a password, and I have tried all the combinations I could think of,
TF but cannot remember the old password.

In  that  case  the stored messages are lost to everyone, including to
you. That's why making backups was so important with Voyager.

TF BTW, does the latest Voyager allow plaintext if the user so decides?

Don't  know,  never had any real use for Voyager, so I stopped testing
it. But you could download the latest version and try it for yourself.

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Re: OTFE - some questions

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roelof,

On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:53:29 +0100 GMT (08/Jan/11, 22:53 PM +0700 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:

TF I just cut this down to the points that concern my follow-up question:
TF I just found an old USB stick with Voyager. Trying to run it requires
TF a password, and I have tried all the combinations I could think of,
TF but cannot remember the old password.

RO In  that  case  the stored messages are lost to everyone, including to
RO you. That's why making backups was so important with Voyager.

I see. I used Voyager only as a crutch when travelling, as Thailand's
internet access was too slow and unreliable for IMAP or webmail. This
has changed in the meantime, and I now use webmail if I cannot use POP
with my laptop or IMAP with the iPhone.

TF BTW, does the latest Voyager allow plaintext if the user so decides?

RO Don't  know,  never had any real use for Voyager, so I stopped testing
RO it. But you could download the latest version and try it for yourself.

Never mind, I don't really have a need for Voyager any more. However,
it was indeed a very usefull tool at the time. I was just curious as
to what mails were on that old USB stick, which I just found during
house moving. Thanks for your reply.

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Re: OTFE - some questions

[Bill McQuillan]

On Wed, 2011-01-05, MFPA wrote:

M 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply
M locating your mailfolder in an encrypted
M location, such as a TrueCrypt container?

 The  difference  is  that  when you've mounted the
 encrypted location, third party programs (doesn't
 matter whether they're Santa's 'good' or 'bad'  list)
 can  access  your  message  base. When you're using
 OTFE you're message base can only be accessed by TB and
 it's plug-ins.  

 Interesting - I'd not thought of that. Doesn't TB! need to place a
 decrypted version of a file in a temp directory while actually working
 with/editing it?

Well, since I believe that OTFE stands for On The Fly Encription I
imagine that whole files are not decrypted, but instead TB has a sort of
builtin driver to access the mail database while only decrypting and
encrypting a buffer at a time.


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Re: OTFE - some questions

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 5 January 2011 at 2:07:56 AM, in
mid:1674303343.20110105030...@otten.tv, Roelof Otten wrote:



M 3. What happens if you try to set up OTFE with a
M blank password?

 It's easy to guess the password

If TB! allows a blank password during installation, does the
encryption still work?



M 5. Can you change the password?

 Only  by  creating a backup, uninstalling TB, delete
 everything in the mail directory, install TB again,
 restore the backup

That sounds like a bit of hassle, to say the least!



M 6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further
M access to the messages?

 Yes, unless you've created a backup. Even when you're
 using OTFE, TB's backups  are  unencrypted, though it's
 possible to set a password with encryption for your
 backups.

I just found that if you select to encrypt the backup, the encryption 
algorithm is RC2. 



M 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply
M locating your mailfolder in an encrypted
M location, such as a TrueCrypt container?

 The  difference  is  that  when you've mounted the
 encrypted location, third party programs (doesn't
 matter whether they're Santa's 'good' or 'bad'  list)
 can  access  your  message  base. When you're using
 OTFE you're message base can only be accessed by TB and
 it's plug-ins.  

Interesting - I'd not thought of that. Doesn't TB! need to place a
decrypted version of a file in a temp directory while actually working
with/editing it?


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OTFE - some questions

[MFPA]

Hi

I have a few questions about OTFE. Been saving them up!

1. What encryption does TB! used for OTFE? (Algorithm, key size, etc)

2. What other programs can decrypt TB!'s encrypted files?

3. What happens if you try to set up OTFE with a blank password?

4. Are the Address Books and message templates encrypted, or just the
   messages?
   
5. Can you change the password?

6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further access to the 
   messages?
   
7. Can Voyager use OTFE?

8. If hardware tokens are used, is a password still required?

9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply locating your mail
   folder in an encrypted location, such as a TrueCrypt container?


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Re: OTFE - some questions

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo MFPA,

On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:26:58 +GMT (5-1-2011, 0:26 , where I live),
you wrote:

M 1. What encryption does TB! used for OTFE? (Algorithm, key size, etc)

Unknown

M 2. What other programs can decrypt TB!'s encrypted files?

None

M 3. What happens if you try to set up OTFE with a blank password?

It's easy to guess the password

M 4. Are the Address Books and message templates encrypted, or just the
Mmessages?

Everything, included the tabs by smartbat

M 5. Can you change the password?

Only  by  creating a backup, uninstalling TB, delete everything in the
mail directory, install TB again, restore the backup

M 6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further access to the 
Mmessages?

Yes, unless you've created a backup. Even when you're using OTFE, TB's
backups  are  unencrypted, though it's possible to set a password with
encryption for your backups.

M 7. Can Voyager use OTFE?

Wrong question. ;-)
Voyager only uses OTFE, it can't use a plain message base.

M 8. If hardware tokens are used, is a password still required?

I don't know.

M 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply locating your mail
Mfolder in an encrypted location, such as a TrueCrypt container?

The  difference  is  that  when you've mounted the encrypted location,
third party programs (doesn't matter whether they're Santa's 'good' or
'bad'  list)  can  access  your  message  base. When you're using OTFE
you're message base can only be accessed by TB and it's plug-ins.

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New to The Bat!: Questions I can't find answers to

[Amy J. Schneider]

Greetings, all --

Longtime Eudora user here who had Eudora crash on her one too many 
times and finally decided to take the leap to a new client that's 
still being supported. I've spent some time playing with settings and 
got a lot of my issues tamed. But I still have a few outstanding. Can 
you help, or point me to where to look?

(using The Bat! v.4.2.12.4 on Win XP SP 3)

(1) Is there any way to replicate the Eudora method of having 
double-clicked messages open in the same pane as the message list 
(that is, not a separate window)? I don't like using the preview pane 
because of spam avoidance (both HTML bugs and just having to see the 
stupid things at all), but those extra taskbar buttons for each 
message really take up a lot of space.

(2) Speaking of spam . . . am I really stuck with having to purchase 
an extra plug-in in order to get the same junk filtering that Eudora 
provided as part of the package? (Or are there freebies that I'm not 
seeing?)

(3) I'm also strongly used to keeping messages in ascending order, and 
Eudora would always open a message list with the last (newest) message 
visible at the bottom. The Bat! is making me scroll down every time, 
and I can't figure out how to change this. Am I doomed to force myself 
to get used to using descending order (which I hate as much as top 
posting)?

I think that's all for now. Thanks much for any light you can shed.

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Re: New to The Bat!: Questions I can't find answers to

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Amy,

On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:40:35 -0600GMT (8-12-2009, 14:40 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

AJS (1) Is there any way to replicate the Eudora method of having 
AJS double-clicked messages open in the same pane as the message list 

No.

AJS (2) Speaking of spam . . . am I really stuck with having to purchase 
AJS an extra plug-in in order to get the same junk filtering that Eudora 
AJS provided as part of the package? (Or are there freebies that I'm not 
AJS seeing?)

http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin.php
I thought some of those had a free variety.

AJS (3) I'm also strongly used to keeping messages in ascending order, and
AJS Eudora would always open a message list with the last (newest) message
AJS visible at the bottom. The Bat! is making me scroll down every time, 
AJS and I can't figure out how to change this. Am I doomed to force myself
AJS to get used to using descending order (which I hate as much as top 
AJS posting)?

Over  here TB places the cursor at the last message in the list that I
opened,  whether  it's  on  top  of the message list, at the bottom or
somewhere in between. That might be related to the fact that I read my
messages in the preview pane.
Apart from that it's easy to find the first unread message by pressing
Ctrl-Right.

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Re: New to The Bat!: Questions I can't find answers to

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 8 December 2009 at 1:40:35 PM, in
mid:43679945.20091208074...@featherschneider.com, Amy J. Schneider
wrote:


 (1) Is there any way to replicate the Eudora method of
 having  double-clicked messages open in the same pane
 as the message list  (that is, not a separate window)?


The Bat! opens a new window viewing the folder containing the message
you have double-clicked, not just the message. You can show or hide 
the message list in that window via its view menu. 



 I don't like using the preview pane  because of spam
 avoidance (both HTML bugs and just having to see the
 stupid things at all), but those extra taskbar buttons
 for each  message really take up a lot of space.



Linked images (HTML bugs included, obviously) will only be displayed
in TB! if you specifically tell it to, either on an image-by-image
basis or by whitelisting a domain. But why not just view everything in 
plain text?



 (2) Speaking of spam . . . am I really stuck with
 having to purchase  an extra plug-in in order to get
 the same junk filtering that Eudora  provided as part
 of the package? (Or are there freebies that I'm not
 seeing?)

I believe some contributors to this list use free spam filters. I find 
that care with who I give my address to, coupled with appropriate use of 
disposable email addresses, keeps it down to maybe a dozen spam messages 
a week out of about 800 received.



 (3) I'm also strongly used to keeping messages in
 ascending order, and Eudora would always open a message
 list with the last (newest) message visible at the
 bottom. The Bat! is making me scroll down every time,
 and I can't figure out how to change this. Am I doomed
 to force myself to get used to using descending order
 (which I hate as much as top  posting)?

In the main window, go to View | Message List Columns and set the 
order and threading that suits you best. I don't understand why TB! is 
causing you to have to scroll down every time, as it has always opened 
my folders with focus on the last message I viewed in that folder.




 I think that's all for now. Thanks much for any light
 you can shed.

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Re: Few questions to begin

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Claude,

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:43:01 +0100 GMT (17/Mar/09, 0:43 +0700 GMT),
Claude Renaud wrote:

TF I remember you... welcome back!

CR Nice of you !

:-)

CR 1.  When  I  was  subscribed  before there were four different lists, 
CR TBBETA, TBDEV, TBTECH and TBDUDL.
CR Apparently  on  the  TBUDL info page there are three lists mentionned,
CR the TBTECH seems to have disappeared ... normal or a mistake ?

TF Normal. I thought neither TBTECH nor TBDEV exist any more.

CR Ok, but where to ask plugin related questions or technical ones now ?

If this is in regards to a release version, here on this list. If the
problem has been introduced with a beta version, on TBBETA.

CR 3. Concerning betas

TF You have to be a member of TBBETA. The URL for the new beta will be
TF announced there, and you can download it until the next beta with a
TF new URL is posted. That's how it works now.

CR Ok, that's simpler !

Yes. BTW once a beta is not current any more, if will be taken off the
server.

I'll leave the other questions to others, as I don't know the answer.

CR And my remaining questions for today if someone can answer them ...

CR 2. About plugins.

CR On Ritlabs website I found some of the previous one is used before but
CR other seem no to be referenced as the one (an antispam plugin I don't 
CR have  the  time  at writting), a plugin which was previously packaged 
CR with TB but seems to have disappeared from the latest versions, as the
CR 4th milestone I'm just reusing since few weeks now ...
CR IS there a complete plugin repository somewhere ?

CR Is there a Trend Micro antivirus plugins available ?

CR 4. 
CR And at last, about Ritlabs forums ...

CR I was a registered forum member.
CR I  found out my account used to login but I don't understand why I can
CR not post to forums as I can not see a New topic button 
CR or link...
CR What could be the problem here ?

CR Regards,


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Re[2]: Few questions to begin

[Claude Renaud]

Hello Thomas,


Saturday, March 14, 2009, 6:20:26 PM, you wrote:

TF Hello Claude,

TF On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:31:41 +0100 GMT (14/Mar/09, 23:31 +0700 GMT),
TF Claude Renaud wrote:

CR I  was  a registered  user to  TB  mailing  lists  a  long time ago but
CR have disappeared since few years
CR Today, I'm back, definitely I think !...

TF I remember you... welcome back!

Nice of you !

CR 1.  When  I  was  subscribed  before there were four different lists, 
CR TBBETA, TBDEV, TBTECH and TBDUDL.
CR Apparently  on  the  TBUDL info page there are three lists mentionned,
CR the TBTECH seems to have disappeared ... normal or a mistake ?

TF Normal. I thought neither TBTECH nor TBDEV exist any more.

Ok, but where to ask plugin related questions or technical ones now ?

CR 3. Concerning betas

CR In  the  past,  after  having  been authorized we could download from a
CR dedicated  webpage  the  latest  betas  and  see  their corresponding 
CR changelogs
CR AS I seems to be still autorized as I recovered the previously account
CR I  used, I would like to know, if this page still exists, where is it 
CR located in order for me to take a look at latest TB developments

TF You have to be a member of TBBETA. The URL for the new beta will be
TF announced there, and you can download it until the next beta with a
TF new URL is posted. That's how it works now.


Ok, that's simpler !

And my remaining questions for today if someone can answer them ...

2. About plugins.

On Ritlabs website I found some of the previous one is used before but 
other seem no to be referenced as the one (an antispam plugin I don't 
have  the  time  at writting), a plugin which was previously packaged 
with TB but seems to have disappeared from the latest versions, as the 
4th milestone I'm just reusing since few weeks now ...
IS there a complete plugin repository somewhere ?

Is there a Trend Micro antivirus plugins available ?

4. 
And at last, about Ritlabs forums ...

I was a registered forum member.
I  found out my account used to login but I don't understand why I can 
not post to forums as I can not see a New topic button 
or link...
What could be the problem here ?

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Few questions to begin

[Claude Renaud]

Hi all,

I  was  a registered  user to  TB  mailing  lists  a  long time ago but 
have disappeared since few years
Today, I'm back, definitely I think !...

1.  When  I  was  subscribed  before there were four different lists, 
TBBETA, TBDEV, TBTECH and TBDUDL.
Apparently  on  the  TBUDL info page there are three lists mentionned, 
the TBTECH seems to have disappeared ... normal or a mistake ?

2. About plugins.

On Ritlabs website I found some of the previous one is used before but 
other seem no to be referenced as the one (an antispam plugin I don't 
have  the  time  at writting), a plugin which was previously packaged 
with TB but seems to have disappeared from the latest versions, as the 
4th milestone I'm just reusing since few weeks now ...
IS there a complete plugin repository somewhere ?

3. Concerning betas

In  the  past,  after  having  been authorized we could download from a 
dedicated  webpage  the  latest  betas  and  see  their corresponding 
changelogs
AS I seems to be still autorized as I recovered the previously account 
I  used, I would like to know, if this page still exists, where is it 
located in order for me to take a look at latest TB developments

4. 
And at last, about Ritlabs forums ...

I was a registered forum member.
I  found out my account used to login but I don't understand why I can 
not post to forums as I can not see a New topic button 
or link...
What could be the problem here ?

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Re: Few questions to begin

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Claude,

On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:31:41 +0100 GMT (14/Mar/09, 23:31 +0700 GMT),
Claude Renaud wrote:

CR I  was  a registered  user to  TB  mailing  lists  a  long time ago but
CR have disappeared since few years
CR Today, I'm back, definitely I think !...

I remember you... welcome back!

CR 1.  When  I  was  subscribed  before there were four different lists, 
CR TBBETA, TBDEV, TBTECH and TBDUDL.
CR Apparently  on  the  TBUDL info page there are three lists mentionned,
CR the TBTECH seems to have disappeared ... normal or a mistake ?

Normal. I thought neither TBTECH nor TBDEV exist any more.

CR 3. Concerning betas

CR In  the  past,  after  having  been authorized we could download from a
CR dedicated  webpage  the  latest  betas  and  see  their corresponding 
CR changelogs
CR AS I seems to be still autorized as I recovered the previously account
CR I  used, I would like to know, if this page still exists, where is it 
CR located in order for me to take a look at latest TB developments

You have to be a member of TBBETA. The URL for the new beta will be
announced there, and you can download it until the next beta with a
new URL is posted. That's how it works now.

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Re: Connectivity pack questions

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

M Hi

M On Monday 16 February 2009 at 11:24:48 PM, in
M mid:6210696247.20090216172...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


 Fellow listers,

 Apparently I'm missing something about the archives
 (http://mail.eberl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/hplx/ or
 I'm going to the wrong place. There doesn't seem to be
 any search function.

 I'm looking for help in getting my computer to
 communicate with my 200LX. I can get the Cpack files
 loaded onto my computer's G: drive and run app200.exe
 from DosBox where the opening screen will appear (looks
 like the 200LX screen). I have my LX connected to the
 serial port on my computer (WinXP Pro) but the computer
 won't see the LX or vice-versa.

M Is TBUDL the list you intended to post this to?

Whoops! Sorry everybody.

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Connectivity pack questions

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Fellow listers,

Apparently I'm missing something about the archives
(http://mail.eberl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/hplx/ or I'm going to
the wrong place. There doesn't seem to be any search function.

I'm looking for help in getting my computer to communicate with my
200LX. I can get the Cpack files loaded onto my computer's G: drive
and run app200.exe from DosBox where the opening screen will appear
(looks like the 200LX screen). I have my LX connected to the serial
port on my computer (WinXP Pro) but the computer won't see the LX or
vice-versa.

At end of the Cpack software installation, the Cpack installer asks if
I want the installer to search for the serial port on the computer. I
answer yes and I get a message which says it can't find COM2 (or
words to that effect).

The LX is plugged into the DB9 port on the rear of my computer which I
assume is COM1. I'm confused. Do I need to get a USB-to-serial cable
(if there is such a thing) and connect the LX to a USB port?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Connectivity pack questions

[MFPA]

Hi

On Monday 16 February 2009 at 11:24:48 PM, in
mid:6210696247.20090216172...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


 Fellow listers,

 Apparently I'm missing something about the archives
 (http://mail.eberl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/hplx/ or
 I'm going to the wrong place. There doesn't seem to be
 any search function.

 I'm looking for help in getting my computer to
 communicate with my 200LX. I can get the Cpack files
 loaded onto my computer's G: drive and run app200.exe
 from DosBox where the opening screen will appear (looks
 like the 200LX screen). I have my LX connected to the
 serial port on my computer (WinXP Pro) but the computer
 won't see the LX or vice-versa.

Is TBUDL the list you intended to post this to?

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[George Mitchell]

Dwight Corrin wrote:

DC On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

 Why should I not move parked messages and keep the Parked flag?

DC You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
DC would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

I think what people, myself included, are looking for is something 
like the Agent newsreader's Keep flag which just prevents against 
accidental deletion/purging.  Just because I want to protect a message 
doesn't mean I don't want to organize it.  The Park flag is 
especially ill-suited for this as currently implemented.

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Re[2]: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Maggie Meister]

Hello George and Dwight,

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 1:30:20 AM you wrote:

DC On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

 Why should I not move parked messages and keep the Parked flag?

DC You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
DC would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

How about a command that allows 'secure move'?

GM like the Agent newsreader's Keep flag which just prevents against 
GM accidental deletion/purging.  Just because I want to protect a message
GM doesn't mean I don't want to organize it.

Absolutely agree. In my Lists subfolders I have TBUDL, TBBETA, and 
TBParked. I park some messages in the first two, but don't get around 
to moving them for a while - when I do, they all unpark of course, 
into the Parked folder, where they then need to be reparked 'just in 
case'.   

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Volker,

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:37:30 +0100 GMT (19/03/2008, 03:37 +0700 GMT),
Volker Ahrendt wrote:

VA I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the
VA design is completely user friendly:

VA I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one
VA folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all
VA the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again.

When you copy messages, the parked status is copied too. So, what I do
is copy to the destination folder and then unpark and delete them in
the original folder. It's just a workaround, but maybe it helps.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Luc]

Good morning Dwight,  
  
It was foretold that on 19/03/2008 @ 00:14:56 GMT-0500 (which was
02:14:56 where I live) Dwight Corrin would write:

DC You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
DC would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

I see your point but since apparently it's possible when you copy the
message, i'm wondering why it shouldn't be possible TB! acts like
that when moving manually but then again i'm not a programmer lol.
 
 
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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Dwight Corrin]

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 9:43:38 AM, Luc wrote:

 I see your point but since apparently it's possible when you copy
 the message,

so it does. Makes sense, since the message is parked when it's
copied, but not when it's moved. Solves the problem about not being
able to find it at its destination. And no dialogue boxes asking
questions.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Dwight Corrin]

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 8:26:52 AM, Maggie Meister wrote:

 Absolutely agree. In my Lists subfolders I have TBUDL, TBBETA, and
 TBParked. I park some messages in the first two, but don't get
 around  to moving them for a while - when I do, they all unpark of
 course,  into the Parked folder, where they then need to be reparked
 'just in  case'.

What is the point of parking messages if you park them all? To me the
whole notion of parking a message is to make it impossible to delete.
Why one should be able to delete a parked message by moving it flies
in the face of the whole notion. I can't drive to the mall and have
my car be parked at the same time. My messages used to get organized
by filters, and be where I wanted them. Now with IMAP they get
organized before they ever hit my machine. Once they are where I want
them, if they are important enough, I might park them. But if I had
50,000 or so parked messages, parking wouldn't mean much any more.

Put differently, if everything was 'parked' how would I recognize the
messages which were important enough to park?

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Luc]

Good afternoon Dwight,  
  
It was foretold that on 19/03/2008 @ 10:01:15 GMT-0500 (which was
12:01:15 where I live) Dwight Corrin would write:

snipped a bit

DC Solves the problem about not being
DC able to find it at its destination. And no dialogue boxes asking
DC questions.

Still don't see the problem with the ability of moving them and
keeping them parked... but i guess it's just a matter of different
opinions  For the time being it's impossible so i'll leave it at
that :-)

 
 
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Re[2]: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Dwight,

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 10:10:41 AM you wrote:

DC What is the point of parking messages if you park them all?

Oh, I don't park them *all* just some, as I mentioned..

DC To me the
DC whole notion of parking a message is to make it impossible to delete.

Yes.

DC Why one should be able to delete a parked message by moving it flies
DC in the face of the whole notion.

I don't want to delete the parked message, just move it to another 
folder.

Doug Weller in his message of today at 10:41 where I am, elucidated
what I'm thinking.

DougW I want to be able to protect a message against deletion and 
DougW then organise it the way I want to organise it.

If someone makes a wish about this feature, I will support it.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Luc]

Good evening Maggie,  
  
It was foretold that on 19/03/2008 @ 11:49:53 GMT-0500 (which was
13:49:53 where I live) Maggie Meister would write:

snipped a bit

MM If someone makes a wish about this feature, I will support it.

I filed a bug report... although it might be a wish for most 
 
 
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some questions

[Luc]

 Good afternoon list,

 I have some questions regarding the preferences:

 Q1: when i reply to a message, the message that i reply to is shown
 with a white background in the preview... where can i change that? I
 thought somewhere in the editor settings but i just can't seem to
 recall it.

 Q2: When i have a parked message and i want to move it manually to
 another folder, the message gets unparked in that folder. Is there a
 way to have it kept parked? Or do i need to create some filter for
 that?
 
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Re: some questions

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Luc« · 2008-03-18 · 17:48 h (CET)]

Moin, Luc!

  Q1: when i reply to a message, the message that i reply to is shown
  with a white background in the preview... where can i change that? I
  thought somewhere in the editor settings but i just can't seem to
  recall it.

In message editor's menu uncheck: View|Original text

  Q2: When i have a parked message and i want to move it manually to
  another folder, the message gets unparked in that folder. Is there a
  way to have it kept parked? Or do i need to create some filter for
  that?

AFAIK there is no option to keep the Parked status. Maybe a filter
could be a workaround, but I don't know how, yet. – I think you
should file a wish to Bugtracker. I would support. :-)

Cheers!
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Re: some questions

[Rick Grunwald]

  Q2: When i have a parked message and i want to move it manually to
  another folder, the message gets unparked in that folder. Is there a
  way to have it kept parked? Or do i need to create some filter for
  that?

 AFAIK there is no option to keep the Parked status. Maybe a filter
 could be a workaround, but I don't know how, yet. – I think you
 should file a wish to Bugtracker. I would support. :-)

Is not the purpose of parking a message to keep you from accidentally
deleting or moving it. I would think the work around would be to
unpark it.

You get a message asking you if you really want to move a parked
message and it will allow it. I think it is working as designed
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Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Rick Grunwald« · 2008-03-18 · 18:13 h (CET)]

Moin, Rick!

 AFAIK there is no option to keep the Parked status. Maybe a
 filter could be a workaround, but I don't know how, yet. – I think
 you should file a wish to Bugtracker. I would support. :-)

 Is not the purpose of parking a message to keep you from
 accidentally deleting or moving it.

Is it so? I don't know. Does Parking only mean to keep one from
deleting a message or does it mean to keep one from deleting *and*
moving a message? Why should I not move parked messages and keep the
Parked flag?

 I would think the work around would be to unpark it.

This is the status quo when moving a parked message and confirming
the warning.

 You get a message asking you if you really want to move a parked
 message and it will allow it. I think it is working as designed

I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the
design is completely user friendly:

I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one
folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all
the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again.

Cheers!
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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Volker,
Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, you wrote:

VA I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the
VA design is completely user friendly:

VA I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one
VA folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all
VA the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again.

I am with you on this one. It is often very difficult to find the parked message
once you move it. I would also support the wish you are going to file. ;)

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Re: some questions

[Luc]

Good evening Volker,  
  
It was foretold that on 18/03/2008 @ 18:00:05 GMT+0100 (which was
14:00:05 where I live) Volker Ahrendt would write:

snipped a bit

VA In message editor's menu uncheck: View|Original text

Ah right, but that means that the preview disappears. I was wondering
if there was a way to keep the preview but alter the background
(colour and text colour).
 
 
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Re: some questions

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Luc« · 2008-03-18 · 22:25 h (CET)]

Moin, Luc!

 VA In message editor's menu uncheck: View|Original text

 Ah right, but that means that the preview disappears. I was wondering
 if there was a way to keep the preview but alter the background
 (colour and text colour).

OIC – Now I get you. No, I don't think that you can change the colors.
I was searching for a way, but found none.

Is it worth it to file a wish?

Cheers!
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Re: some questions

[Luc]

Good evening Volker,  
  
It was foretold that on 18/03/2008 @ 22:42:23 GMT+0100 (which was
18:42:23 where I live) Volker Ahrendt would write:

snipped a bit

VA  Now I get you.

Yeah, i thought that i didn't make myself clear (happens a lot, don't
worry about it lol)

VA  No, I don't think that you can change the colors.
VA Is it worth it to file a wish?

Oh no, it's not a big deal... but i thought it was possible in
previous versions of TB! but maybe i'm wrong (also happens a lot ;-) )
 
 
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Re: some questions

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 at 4:48:24 PM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Luc wrote:

  When i have a parked message and i want to move it manually to
  another folder, the message gets unparked in that folder.

I never noticed that before.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Dwight Corrin]

On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

 Why should I not move parked messages and keep the Parked flag?

You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

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Filter questions

[REZK945]

Hi group,
I want to create a filter rule which does the following:
Every not-gpg-signed email will get an automatic generated answer.

Exceptions:
- some guys from my contacts can be left out because they use bloody
webmailer anyway which makes it harder for them to install and use GPG
(they are not very familiar with computers). I think those guys have
to be added manually which is what I have already done. Maybe a group
could be a better solution?

- Newsletter etc. - I try to capture them by looking at the topic
newsticker and newsletter. But I am not sure whether I get all of
them.

- Amazon, ebay etc - IIRC they do not send information emails with
newsletter topic. How can I get them?

- Some other mass mails with more than say 5 recipants. Any chance to
capture them?

Maybe there are some more exceptions, but I hope to identify them
soon.

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Re: Filter questions

[MAU]

Hello REZK945,

 I want to create a filter rule which does the following:
 Every not-gpg-signed email will get an automatic generated answer.

I'm not familiar with gpg or pgp, etc., but I assume there must be 
something unique to those messages. An specific header field, or textt 
within the body.

Let's assume the uniqueness is -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- in 
the body. You would need a filter with condition:

Text .does not contain. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

and with Action 'Send automatic reply'.

For my explanations below, lets call this filter 'GPG Filter'


 Exceptions:

My suggestion would be to NOT include exceptions in the same filter 
with .AND NOT. conditions, but to set up a separate filter for each 
exception. Much more clear and easier to manage. Your filter structure 
should be:

  Exception 1
  Exception 2
  ...
  GPG Filter
  
For this structure to work, nonre of the filter should have the 
'Continue processing with other filters' option selected.


 - some guys from my contacts can be left out because they use bloody
 webmailer anyway which makes it harder for them to install and use GPG
 (they are not very familiar with computers). I think those guys have
 to be added manually which is what I have already done. Maybe a group
 could be a better solution?

Yes, I thing using an AB Groups is a much better idea.

Exception 1 Filter
Address groups groupname contains sender


 - Newsletter etc. - I try to capture them by looking at the topic
 newsticker and newsletter. But I am not sure whether I get all of
 them.

Exception 2 filter
Subject contains newsticker .OR. Sublect contains newsletter


 - Amazon, ebay etc - IIRC they do not send information emails with
 newsletter topic. How can I get them?

This would be your 'Exception 3' filter, and you must look for 
something unique in those messages. Perhaps the domain of the sender?. 
If so:

Exception 3 filter
Header field  From:  contains @amazon.com 
.OR.
Header field  From:  contains @ebay.com 
 

 - Some other mass mails with more than say 5 recipants. Any chance to
 capture them?

Maybe with something like:

Recipient match RegExp

But I am not at all familiar with Regular Expressions to suggest one. 
Sorry.
 

 Maybe there are some more exceptions, but I hope to identify them
 soon.

Just add a new filter before the GPG one.


 Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

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Filter questions

[lonewolf]

Fellow Bat! Fans.

Any easy way to move (or copy) a whole bunch of filters from one
account to another, or to make existing filters common filters?

BTW, am I to understand that a common filter will apply to all
ticked accounts?  I presume this is the case but feel I may be getting
(not a scientific feel mind you) some strange results.

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Re: Filter questions

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo John,

On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:12:40 +1000GMT (5-9-2007, 7:12 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

JP Any easy way to move (or copy) a whole bunch of filters from one
JP account to another, or to make existing filters common filters?

The filters are stored in the account.srb file (account.erb for OTFE)
in the account directory. (Mail directory for common filters) Closing
TB and copying/moving the file to the new location used to work during
the early stages of v3, but it hasn't been discussed on list for quite
a long now, so that might have been changed. Create a backup and try
it.
Note that this means that your old filters in the target account will
be lost.

JP BTW, am I to understand that a common filter will apply to all
JP ticked accounts?  I presume this is the case but feel I may be getting
JP (not a scientific feel mind you) some strange results.

I don't use common filters myself, two of my three accounts are merely
for some testing, so I don't need any filtering there.

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Re: Filter questions

[lonewolf]

Roelof,

On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, at 12:41:09 [GMT +0200] (20:41:09 05/09/2007
Australian Eastern Time) you wrote:

 I don't use common filters myself, two of my three accounts are merely
 for some testing, so I don't need any filtering there.

snip, etc.

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Re: Two questions.

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo John,

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:58:33 +1000GMT (12-8-2007, 6:58 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

 What you're using can be found at:
  Options - Preferences - System - Mail directory

JP There is one folder there:- 1FDF51CD.8C7
JP I take it that is the encrypted data base?

That should be an encrypted common folder.
Every account should have its own directory (with the unencrypted name
of the account) and every account based folder should have its own
directory with an encrypted name.

JP Another question (if I may...)

JP How do I stop folders in a mail account picking up the macros of that
JP mail account?.

By creating a folder template that differs from the account template.

JP For instance the Bat! folder is in my Rivernet mail account, and
JP Bat! needs separate macros (Mail account is set up as if mail is
JP coming (by a macro) form the work mail account).  However the Bat
JP folder keeps inserting the Rivernet macros, even though I keep
JP deleting them in the Bat folder.

Actually emptying a folder template means to TB that you want to use
the account template for that folder.
For your Bat folder the solution is easier. Create an AB template for
this list (both a new message template and a reply template) and it
won't matter where you are while creating a message to the list, AB
templates have preference over Account and folder templates.

JP Make sense as explained?

Yep.

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Two questions.

[John Phillips]

Fellow Bat! Fans.


1. Encrypting my data base on the pc.  Bat help file seems to be
woefully short on this.  I am using the Pro version and need a
password to sign in.  Does this encrypt the data base?  And how do I
change this password if needed?

2.  Where is everyone?  Used to be such a busy list, my last received
mail is only one today and reply, re folders disappearing.  Has a new
list taken over?


Thanks to all, in advance, for help on the above.

-- 

John Phillips,
Sydney, Australia

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Re: Two questions.

[ETM]

 2.  Where is everyone?  Used to be such a busy list, my last received
 mail is only one today and reply, re folders
 disappearing.  Has a new
 list taken over?


I loved and enjoyed the old list (even with all
its foibles) and returned to it recently to find
no one home. I understand they are probably on the
new forum. I loathe boards and forums so I won't
find out.

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Re: Two questions.

[John Phillips]

Roelof,

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, at 11:43:42 [GMT +0200] (19:43:42 11/08/2007
Australian Eastern Time) you wrote:

JP And how do I change this password if needed?

 Create a backup
 Uninstall TB
 Delete your message base
 Install TB again
 Pick a new password
 Restore from backup


Thanks. Quite a painful process!

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Re: Two questions.

[John Phillips]

Roelof,

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, at 11:43:42 [GMT +0200] (19:43:42 11/08/2007
Australian Eastern Time) you wrote:

 Delete your message base

As a matter of interest, where is the message base normally installed?

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Re: Two questions.

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello John,

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 06:11:22 +1000 GMT (12/08/2007, 03:11 +0700 GMT),
John Phillips wrote:

 Delete your message base

JP As a matter of interest, where is the message base normally installed?

Normally on your harddisk. ;-) You can also store it on a remote
drive, for example on the LAN, though.

For the standard location, find the The Bat! directory. The location
depends on your Windows, but I believe it is at %APPDATA%. The message
base is the file TheBat\Mail\FolderName\messages.tbb. If you cannot
locate it, search for messages.tbb on your C:-drive.

-- 

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Thomas.

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Re: Two questions.

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo John,

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 06:11:22 +1000GMT (11-8-2007, 22:11 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

 Delete your message base
JP As a matter of interest, where is the message base normally installed?

Depends a bit on the version you used when first installing TB.
v1 preferred c:\program files\the bat!\mail  or something like that
v3 uses c:\documents and settings\user\application data\the bat!\
It's also possible that you picked something manually, I'm using
E:\Batmail\
What you're using can be found at:
 Options - Preferences - System - Mail directory

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

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Re: Two questions.

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo John,

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 05:49:02 +1000GMT (11-8-2007, 21:49 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

JP And how do I change this password if needed?
 Delete your message base
JP Thanks. Quite a painful process!

Yep

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Re: Two questions.

[John Phillips]

Roelof,

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007, at 06:46:04 [GMT +0200] (14:46:04 12/08/2007
Australian Eastern Time) you wrote:

 What you're using can be found at:
  Options - Preferences - System - Mail directory

Thanks as usual.

There is one folder there:- 1FDF51CD.8C7

I take it that is the encrypted data base?

Another question (if I may...)

How do I stop folders in a mail account picking up the macros of that
mail account?.

For instance the Bat! folder is in my Rivernet mail account, and
Bat! needs separate macros (Mail account is set up as if mail is
coming (by a macro) form the work mail account).  However the Bat
folder keeps inserting the Rivernet macros, even though I keep
deleting them in the Bat folder.

Make sense as explained?

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Re: Filter Questions

[Tom]

Thursday, April 26, 2007, 9:24:06 AM, you wrote:

 I think address books (you can have as many as you want/need) are very
 useful for this type of things because you can add and delete entries
 with filter actions. In your case it would be simple with a couple of
 filters. If the sender of a message is NOT in '1st time' AB, add him.
 And, if he is, he is obviously a returning customer and the filter can
 move the message to whatever folder you wish.

Thanks a lot - this works fine for me. Took me a while to figure out
how to set up the filters and to ensure that they work in the correct
sequence and that all have the tick to continue, but once done I now
get my alerts as requested.

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Re: Filter Questions

[MAU]

Hello Tom,

 I think address books (you can have as many as you want/need) are very
 useful for this type of things because you can add and delete entries
 with filter actions. In your case it would be simple with a couple of
 filters. If the sender of a message is NOT in '1st time' AB, add him.
 And, if he is, he is obviously a returning customer and the filter can
 move the message to whatever folder you wish.

 Thanks a lot - this works fine for me.

Glad to hear that :)

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Filter Questions

[Tom]

Hello Everyone,

I would like to set up a filter to copy all incoming emails arriving
in a specific account to a new folder or ideally virtual folder
provided the sender's email is already in the original folder (ie.
use the filter to notify me that an incoming email is from a known
source as opposed to be a brand-new sender). Is this possible?

Also, when I fiddled with the folders, I set up a virtual folder
linked to the original folder. This now shows all the emails from the
original as I had not yet set up any filter. How can I get rid of it
now. I am afraid deleting it will delete all original emails too,
something I don't want to do?

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Re: Filter Questions

[MAU]

Hello Tom,

 I would like to set up a filter to copy all incoming emails arriving
 in a specific account to a new folder or ideally virtual folder
 provided the sender's email is already in the original folder (ie.
 use the filter to notify me that an incoming email is from a known
 source as opposed to be a brand-new sender). Is this possible?

Yes, it is possible in several ways.

Perhaps the easiest and most straight forward way would be that you add
your 'known sources' to the address book. Then, you can make Active the
Known Incoming filter that is included by default by TB in the Sorting
Office when an account is created. This way, messages from 'known
sources' will be moved to Inbox-Known folder and the rest will just stay
in normal Inbox.

If you want to keep messages from 'known sources' in a separate folder
for each, you can modify the action in Known filter and use the
%FromName or %ABFromName macros for the folder name instead of
'Inbox-Known'.

 Also, when I fiddled with the folders, I set up a virtual folder
 linked to the original folder. This now shows all the emails from the
 original as I had not yet set up any filter. How can I get rid of it
 now. I am afraid deleting it will delete all original emails too,
 something I don't want to do?

NO problem. If you delete a Virtual Folder the messages that were
_shown_ (not stored) in it will stay in whatever real folder they were
actually in.

-- 
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Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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Re: Filter Questions

[Tom]

Thursday, April 26, 2007, 2:59:12 AM, you wrote:

 Hello Tom,

 (ie.
 use the filter to notify me that an incoming email is from a known
 source as opposed to be a brand-new sender). Is this possible?

 Yes, it is possible in several ways.

 Perhaps the easiest and most straight forward way would be that you add
 your 'known sources' to the address book. Then, you can make Active the
 Known Incoming filter that is included by default by TB in the Sorting
 Office when an account is created. This way, messages from 'known
 sources' will be moved to Inbox-Known folder and the rest will just stay
 in normal Inbox.

sorry, I was not clear enough - the incoming emails usually are not from
known sources the first time. These are orders from customers. The
majority will be new customers and new emails but over time some will
be returning customers. These I would like to catch and review once
they come in. However there is no need to filter them in individual
folders. The trick with the address book won't work as I don't want to
add each sender to the address book on the off chance that they may
order multiple times.


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Re: Filter Questions

[MAU]

Hello Tom,

 sorry, I was not clear enough - the incoming emails usually are not from
 known sources the first time. These are orders from customers. The
 majority will be new customers and new emails but over time some will
 be returning customers. These I would like to catch and review once
 they come in. However there is no need to filter them in individual
 folders. The trick with the address book won't work as I don't want to
 add each sender to the address book on the off chance that they may
 order multiple times.

I think address books (you can have as many as you want/need) are very
useful for this type of things because you can add and delete entries
with filter actions. In your case it would be simple with a couple of
filters. If the sender of a message is NOT in '1st time' AB, add him.
And, if he is, he is obviously a returning customer and the filter can
move the message to whatever folder you wish.

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v3.99.3




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