I'm not too sure as I don't know too much about the subject matter
but was Baroque a movement that defined itself over a (very) short
period of time and was something which artists could easily attatch
themselves too (as in the case of Electroklash) , or was it a term
applied at a later
It really gets on my t!ts if they can't sing, don't quite know their range,
or are really thin vocally. Tons of Latin house records have weak
singers imo. So many that I can't really stand most Latin house records.
Too much whispy thin singing.
I don't mind vocalists if the lyrics are good
I know what you mean in terms of, there's nothing worse to me that
hearing a record (or what I do) described as emotional Techno- it's
a byword word for bland and predictable for me- it's a term used in
particular with electronic music- I've never heard of emotional Rock
and Roll or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque
Jason Brunton wrote:
I'm not too sure as I don't know too much about the subject matter
but was Baroque a movement that defined itself over a (very) short
period of time and was something which artists could easily attatch
themselves too (as in the
On Thu, November 3, 2005 6:04 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
It really gets on my t!ts if they can't sing, don't quite know their
range,
or are really thin vocally. Tons of Latin house records have weak
singers imo. So many that I can't really stand most Latin house
records.
Too much whispy
On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Jason Brunton wrote:
I know what you mean in terms of, there's nothing worse to me that
hearing a record (or what I do) described as emotional Techno-
it's a byword word for bland and predictable for me- it's a term
used in particular with electronic music- I've
Good question! It's been I guess historicised as such through 'critics'...
but the motifs that would be defined/classified/distinguished as the Baroque
movement of art/architecture/music were no doubt emulated by lesser
craftsmen - and then adapted by innovators. (Like Electroclash.)
With hyper
On Thu, November 3, 2005 11:54 pm, Cyclone Wehner wrote:
Maybe I wasn't very clear in that, of course they are, but when someone
says
I put emotion in my music or I wanted to convey emotion I get bored by
cliches like that. It doesn't inspire you to hear the song, hey. Something
more
On Thu, November 3, 2005 11:54 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jazzreworks - The New MPS Sessions - great compilation of jazz fusion
tracks (George Duke, Hans Koller, Kenny Clarke, etc) remixed by loads of
different people
so how are those other mixes? do you like that moonstarr jam?
tom
On Fri, November 4, 2005 12:05 am, Jason Brunton wrote:
I know what you mean in terms of, there's nothing worse to me that
hearing a record (or what I do) described as emotional Techno- it's
a byword word for bland and predictable for me
thats interesting. for me, when i describe a record as
Thursday, November 3, 2005, 6:53:16 PM, you wrote:
IM First, what's your general reaction to vocal tracks? And does it
IM bother you when some of these vocalists can't quite cut it?
I do cringe when I hear techno vocals that aren't up to scratch. I
always heavily process my own voice, in the
On Nov 3, 2005, at 3:53 PM, Ian Malbon wrote:
Clearly there has been a move by many producers to incorporate more
vocals in techno and related genres (Diva-house has always been an
exception). I remember thinking this was going to become a trend when
Juan dropped The Flow. Some, like
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
On Thu, November 3, 2005 7:40 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Musically we are living in a period where every form of noise has been
liberated - not to express something but rather to be explored for its
own sake. I don't need music to carry some supposed meaning or
So you find it stimulating reading time and time again I put emotion in my
music. Don't you wanna know, well what do you mean about that? And sooo
many DJs talk of their music in terms of 'journeys'. I wanna take people on
a journey. That's self-evident to me...
It's reductive and in 10 years I've
Oddly, I have good associations built up around house or techno 12's
with off-key vocals. Y'know, like an old 12 on DJ International or
Eightball. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a vocal
trainwrecks, as a dj beatmatches flawlessly while the vocals roar out
of tune over each other.
On Fri, November 4, 2005 3:48 am, darnistle wrote:
Its an altogether different musical form and aesthetic from the
traditional legacy European court and folk musics. Why should musical
standards from a certain corner of the world several centuries ago be
used as a measuring stick for a
On Fri, November 4, 2005 4:02 am, Cyclone Wehner wrote:
So you find it stimulating reading time and time again I put emotion in
my
music. Don't you wanna know, well what do you mean about that? And sooo
many DJs talk of their music in terms of 'journeys'. I wanna take people
on
a journey.
Hello,
Found this in my mailbox this morningmaybe for some of you on the
list in the USA this might nice to check out? They might not be as hard
hitting as they used to be but for the memories it might be allright as
i know that some of you grew up with the music of Front 242..
Martijn
On Thu, November 3, 2005 11:45 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, exactly - people could, and people DO listen to random sounds as
music. I live in the city and sometimes, the soundscape IS as satisfying
as a record. Music is everywhere. Human produced music is only one
sub-genre.
youve got to
On Thu, November 3, 2005 4:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Grime - wonderful, dirty, gut level music (and I slagged it when I first
heard about it)
im still much more entertained by the ideas behind grime music than the
actual product.
most techno I think is not very innovative at all
good.
I did a mashup a few weeks back of strings of life and blackwater, and
while setting the warp markers in 'strings' I became quite intimate
with its form. I think it's not going too far to say that it's
structure isn't that far off something Mozart would have done. If he'd
had a 909.
Speaking as
On Nov 4, 2005, at 2:38 AM, Kent Williams wrote:
I did a mashup a few weeks back of strings of life and blackwater, and
while setting the warp markers in 'strings' I became quite intimate
with its form. I think it's not going too far to say that it's
structure isn't that far off something
Eddie Fowlkes Norm Talley at Deep Groove Fridays!
Drink Specials, Complimentary Valet, Ladies Free
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a field recording is simply that, a recording of sounds..
I experimented with a few field recordings a while back but
artistically I just felt a little, you know, fenced in
Jason
a field recording is simply that, a recording of sounds..
I experimented with a few field recordings a while back but
artistically I just felt a little, you know, fenced in
BOOOM BOOM.
*snigger*
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I understand what you are saying here but I think that most people
would not be that impressed if you took a recording of a city's
soundscape and played it to them in their living room- therefore
the elements and combinations of sounds that make up part of the
City's atmosphere are
i was just looking on hardwax's page.
I notice they have a new surgeon record in. it's described as cutting edge
techno!
I dont have the record, but how come it's cutting edge what makes it
cutting edge?
and before you start, I aint having a pop, I'm just interested to know.
TA
But what *is* the difference between sound and music? Maybe the
difference is just your interpretation of it. Somebody mentioned
Autechre a while ago, I'll use that as one example. Anybody ever hear
the Gantz_Graf track they did? I think that's music, but I'd never in
a million year be able to
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From: skkatter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 November 2005 09:53
But what *is* the difference between sound and music? Maybe
the difference is just your interpretation of it. Somebody
mentioned Autechre a while ago, I'll use that as one example.
Anybody
i was just looking on hardwax's page.
I notice they have a new surgeon record in. it's described as cutting edge
techno!
I dont have the record, but how come it's cutting edge what makes it
cutting edge?
and before you start, I aint having a pop, I'm just interested to know.
Clips up at:
Check this link for a large review of dj bone's 'Detroit col. 3' album,
the third release in the Subject Detroit series.
http://www.365mag.com/index.php?pg=murwrecnum=2230realname=Detroit+Col
.+3+%28Parts+Unknown%29+-+365MAG+International+Music+Magazine
Anyone has it???
Martijn
Sorry, link is to long so cut and paste it into ur browser..
Martijn
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Blaauw, Martijn de
Verzonden: vrijdag 4 november 2005 11:55
Aan: 313@hyperreal.org
Onderwerp: (313) Bone review
Check this link for a large review of dj bone's 'Detroit col. 3' album,
the
the fall '50,000 fall fans can't be wrong'
c2 'the album formally known as..'
the slits 'cut'
cti 'electronic ambient remixes 12'
This mornings tunes:
Luciano - When the people will come
Shake - The Stranger
Other People Place - Sorrow and a cup of Joe
Sun God - Bird Songs for Amelie
Chez Damier and Ron Trent - Morning Factory
Common Factor - Storm/Get Down #2/Get Down #3
Chemise - She Can't Love You
robin...
Kelly,
I want to be at Robin's disco!
That Shake track is ace!
Luciano - When the people will come
Shake - The Stranger
Other People Place - Sorrow and a cup of Joe
Sun God - Bird Songs for Amelie
Chez Damier and Ron Trent - Morning Factory
Common Factor - Storm/Get Down #2/Get Down #3
Chemise - She
That Shake track is ace!
wicked init
i was in a proper grump with the weather (heavy rain) toomusic
solved all that :)
robin...
Luciano - When the people will come
Shake - The Stranger
Other People Place - Sorrow and a cup of Joe
Sun God - Bird Songs for Amelie
Chez Damier
some mixsets this morning:
maurice fulton - live at electric chair oktober 2005
luciano villalobos (sense club) - live @ mutek valparaiso chile 2004
henrik schwarz - live
http://www.warm-music.com/new/pages/audio/Henrik_Schwarz_Live_Promo_Mix_128.mp3
robin wrote:
This mornings tunes:
Ian Malbon wrote:
Clearly there has been a move by many producers to incorporate more vocals
in techno and related genres (Diva-house has always been an exception).
I remember thinking this was going to become a trend when Juan dropped
The Flow. Some, like Recloose, employ guest vocals,
I see there's new Mathematics releases out. and from the clips sounding hot.
Mathematics 008 is Adonis and 009 is Mr. Moss (sounding cleaner than
usual, something I approve of... )
Just need the vinyls now.
robin...
This week I have been mostly listening to:
The Black Dog - Remote Viewing
Dark Comedy - Tellin Lies (original mix) / Everything's Alright
Phon.o - Trick Or Treat / 313 Dumpsta Railin'
Code E - Analysis And Evaluation
Jussi Lehtonen
Metaprogram yourself.
Surgeon - Klonk
Adam And The Antz - Digital Tenderness
Adam And The Antz - Car Trouble
Slit - Hell Driver
Arctic Monkeys - Scummy
DJ Bone - Attacks
1. The sound of photocopiers whirring
2. My bird down the phone telling me what a c**t I am
3. My boss telling me what a c**t I am
4. My 'colleague' telling me I'm a c**t
5. The voices inside my head telling me what a c**t I am
gotta love fridays.
Stewart Walker - Grounded In Existence
I just can't get over how great track 7 is.
rich medina - connecting the dots
jneiro jarel - three piece puzzle
peven everett - latest craze (part 1)
and an episode of andrew duke's in the mix show from about 99 that i taped
to casette recently found in an old shoe box.
Mission: Black Mountain
The next and up coming static transmission
underground static
www.vmax.net
Life Before 40 UK hip Hop comp on Low Life Records
Rup = best UK rapper out there and a local Brighton boy!
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From: vmax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: (313) What you listening to?
Mission: Black
and a new jack fm 7..
mrs twoplayer will cut up my credit card when she see's what i've spent
today..
-Original Message-
From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 November 2005 12:24
To: 313
Subject: New Mathematics
I see there's new Mathematics releases out. and from the clips
Vladislav Delay/ Antye Greie/ Craig Armstron - The Dolls
Jernej
www.octex.si
X-RAY Specsidentity
David Axelrod Songs of experience
HB Barnumit hurts too much to cry
Human LeaugeHard Times
Marc Moulin From
Kool Keith Sex Style
Cutting edge?
I guess from the clips it just needs to sound like the edge will cut
you. I think I cut my ear on one of them (hurts so good). Maybe it's a
new genre.
KKS
Kelly, Stephen wrote:
and a new jack fm 7..
not convinced by the other two though...
another heads up:
Owusu Hannibal : Delirium - Morgan Geist / Up Hygh Remixes
some slow shti from morgan...sounds promising
robin...
Hello,
I'll be playing at the Underground @ Birmingham University Guild of
Students, Edgbaston Park Road on Sunday with Robert Barrett of Music Is on
Sunday Nov 6th if anyone is in the area.
It's a student only function but I can put those interested on an entry
(possibly guest) list.
Hit me
Nuffink. One side of my Shures is busted. You realize how obssessed you
are when it's taken away...
Ken
clone has full samples up of ..
dynarec album on nature
http://www.clone.nl/item6137.html
duplex album on clone
http://www.clone.nl/item6178.html
other sound files are there as well
putch 79, like a tim, and more
www.clone.nl
I'd be of the opinion that a persons interpretation of the sound is
what makes it music, to them.
Yes, but you're doing something to the sound in your head. You are
making it into music by attaching a story to it, or a meaning, or [I
don't really have the words]. In a way, when you're
duplex album on clone
http://www.clone.nl/item6178.html
another buy on sight release then by the sounds of it.
I want to hear that Terry Brooks/C2 mix (rush hour down though :( )
robin...
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From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 November 2005 15:52
duplex album on clone
http://www.clone.nl/item6178.html
another buy on sight release then by the sounds of it.
I want to hear that Terry Brooks/C2 mix (rush hour down though :( )
Wot dat?
This is all I have until the Rush Hour site returns:
http://www.wordandsound.net/article/38447
robin...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 November 2005 15:52
duplex album on clone
http://www.clone.nl/item6178.html
I want to hear that Terry Brooks/C2 mix (rush hour down though :( )
Wot dat?
Not on that Clone page what is it?
some new terry brookes thing on rush hour, with carl craig mixes.
http://www.juno.co.uk/search.php?q=terry+brookesprecision=allcolumn=allx=3y=7
-Original Message-
From: Carlos de Brito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 November 2005 11:56
some mixsets this morning:
maurice fulton - live at electric chair oktober 2005 luciano
villalobos (sense club) - live @ mutek valparaiso chile
2004 henrik schwarz - live
Good points here I think. I like the use of vocals to tell some kind of
story or overall message.
Dropping in vocals somewhere in the middle of a set, unless they are just
sampled bits, is kind of like a head floating in mid-air without a body
What's that doing there?! ;)
I love hearing
I can see in an interview process (as I've done them myself) where
emotional, funky, and take you on a journey are cliché.
However, within the time constraints and conditions of an interview I can
see how and why a DJ or producer wouldn't go into specifics.
So many artists also get their pat
Damn Tom - you're spot on today.
MEK
Thomas D. Cox,
Jr.
[EMAIL
you're welcome, francis.
as already mentioned in a previous mail:
one of the best livesets i can remember.
still can't understand that this is not going to be released properly.
afaik, only a few cd-r's were given out. which is a shame, i'd buy it
instantly.
c*
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's a whigomy bros 12 that has a marvin gaye vox on one side, and a
track done with the JB's I'll house you on the other. The JB's remix is
dope as all git out. The best techno song with really prominent vocals
I've heard in awhile. And I mean techn. Banging bells at the end and
all. I
Cutting edge? Not sure about that. It's just a throwaway comment by
Hardwax staff isn't it? :)
If that's not the point of all this then I don't know what is.
There's far too much hyperbole that people really start to believe!
Some kid is going to see that and think Oh man - this is the
I personally have
hated every recent dance remix of depeche mode,
Have you heard the Misc. remixes of Depeche's Precious?
Not that horrible...
jeff
yeah, but is it music?
MEK
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
com
A you got me. I was generally referring to the more classic stuff.
Familiar vox that you've heard a lot. But that misc remix is keeping the
faith. Pretty good. Not all out tho. Love the way he chopped the vox in
and out a little. Just enough to keep from going all Herbert-y. :)
KKS
today -
just got done listening to Seu Jorge Carolina CD
just put in a sampler from an act called Teargass Plateglass
pretty cinematic hip-hop - reminds me a bit of Badawi in its dark grandeur
MEK
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yeah, but is it music?
MEK
1. The sound of photocopiers whirring
2. My bird down the phone telling me what a c**t I am
3. My boss telling me what a c**t I am
4. My 'colleague' telling me I'm a c**t
5. The voices inside my head
Laura viers - galaxies
Duplex clips from clone (on repeat)
Sorry I gotta break thread and say...
Okay if this album doesn't take you back to lifestyles of the laptop café,
nothing will. This is absolutely some of the best stuff I've ever heard by
duplex. Insanely deep melodies and textures
made sense to me
you arrange the sound and create music. The sound may feel musical to you
but in and of itself it is not music. It's just a sound. It has a tone or
aspect that lends itself to becoming a part of a musical piece. It's not
until that sound is arranged and purposefully
Music is what happens when people try to order sound to express
something that isn't otherwise expressible. Location recordings could
be compelling to listen to for any number of reasons, but music would
seem to require at a minimum some sort of human intervention beyond
pressing 'record.'
Music
Let me amend that - Teargass Plateglass is some of the darkest stuff I've
heard in a long time
just listened to their track Look Instead at the Perpetrators Intent
which contains samples of an interpreter telling the story of a Rwanda
massacre survivor (you can hear the person in the
On 11/4/05, skkatter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I remember reading an interview with My Bloody Valentine's front man
Kevin Sheilds many years ago (before he become a complete recluse)
where he said that he kept hearing music around London, in the
subways, on the streets, trains passing him in
thanks!
three cheers for uncomfortable and weirdest ;-)
On Nov 4, 2005, at 2:54 AM, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote:
Check this link for a large review of dj bone's 'Detroit col. 3'
album,
the third release in the Subject Detroit series.
On Nov 3, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
and some cure disintegration.
such a great album.
On Fri, November 4, 2005 5:22 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
made sense to me
you arrange the sound and create music. The sound may feel musical to you
but in and of itself it is not music. It's just a sound. It has a tone
or
aspect that lends itself to becoming a part of a musical piece.
Anyone know any good sites with lots of DJ mixes? Specifically I'm looking for
stuff by Tiefschwarz.
On a side-note, I'm looking for a song, maybe not even released, but it sounds a
bit like Underworld (the vocal style and feeling), throw in some 303/acid stuff,
and then add a breakdown near
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
what it IS about is feeling, and someone making noises in their studio and
saying boy, that sounds cool, let me stick a kick drum under that and
release it is not evoking a feeling. theyre being cynical and wasting my
time and theirs. but of course theyre making money
First off, there's this:
-
Monday Nov. 7
LAVA presents:
STATESIDE (GRIME!!!)
ATOMLY
(atomiq, Opaque)
AUTOBOT
(Opaque, jsk)
NOGUNRI - standing in for El Carnicero
(Backwards, NLA)
JOEL BROWN
Unfortunately your entire argument is based on personal and subjective
prejudice, not on any kind of logic.
It is reasonable to say that if someone creates a musical composition
they are trying to accomplish something. However, it is up to the
artist's personal vision what that something is -
Since it seems that a comment by larry started this. I feel he should
have the definitive word as well.
...The creative person [especially musicians] and the listener are
viewing the scenario from different perspectives and are seeking
different kinds of fulfillment...
Larry heard interview 2001.
On Fri, November 4, 2005 6:16 pm, darnistle wrote:
You jump from point A to point Q.
Someone making noises in their studio and saying boy, that sounds cool,
let me stick a kick drum under that and release it could produce
anything from crap to utter brilliance. With talent and quality
sounds like the difference between dancing and chin-stroking
the first group reacts to the music physically while the other reacts to it
intellectually
I still contend that if you get too much of the later you begin to lose
portions of the audience
and bringing this right back around the to
Unfortunately your entire argument is based on personal and subjective
prejudice, not on any kind of logic.
Sorry David but that doesn't stack up because for it to be subjective it has
to be based on feelings or intuitions, not upon observation or reasoning. So
next time someone say it's
sounds like the difference between dancing and chin-stroking
the first group reacts to the music physically while the other reacts to it
intellectually
I still contend that if you get too much of the later you begin to lose
portions of the audience
and bringing this right back around the to
On Fri, November 4, 2005 6:29 pm, David Powers wrote:
Unfortunately your entire argument is based on personal and subjective
prejudice, not on any kind of logic.
huh? youre the one who is saying all music is about the subjective
interpretation! im saying that objectively there is something
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
On Fri, November 4, 2005 6:16 pm, darnistle wrote:
You jump from point A to point Q.
Someone making noises in their studio and saying boy, that sounds cool,
let me stick a kick drum under that and release it could produce
anything from crap to utter brilliance.
Right, but some people like chin stroking music. I'm not saying it's better or
worse, that's up to you. I'm just saying that it IS music, and some people like
it, and some people actually do FEEL something for music that others find to be
perversely intellectual. I like quite a bit of dance
Emotion is a characteristic of HUMAN BEINGS, not of sonic waveforms.
Only a human listener can experience an emotion. Sound waves do not
somehow contain emotions...
I'd like to argue that on the basis of vibrational reality at length,
but I haven't got the time. In short, all things are
Oh yeah... and the lyrics were something like this is the best thing or maybe
the best time definately sounded like best something...
;)
Tosh
PS. Did my job posting for a German editor for the DVD Magazine Slices make it
to the list?
Hmmm... seems it *IS* Fischerspooner... A Kick in the Teeth just gotta track
down the remix... Ah... Tiefschwarz... Oh well, everyone back to your tea.
Charming.
Tosh
--
McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/
Hi there
Dutch electroact Cosmic Force (Marguerita Rec./Clone/Frustrated Funk) is in New
York at the moment for almost a month and he's looking for gigs he can do in
the NY area.
If you have something, drop me a line (off list, please) and I pass the message
(or go to
Evening all.
Fans of the back room at LOST can tune in to Mario, who will be playing
live in the studio tonight.
If you fancy tuning in, it's 107.9FM if you live in the Oxford area,
otherwise there's a live stream at http://www.passion1079.com
You may need Internet Explorer to catch the
I've always loved the KD remix of Useless.
Perhaps not really dance but hey.
Anya
On 4 Nov 2005, at 17:02, theREALmxyzptlk wrote:
I personally have
hated every recent dance remix of depeche mode,
Have you heard the Misc. remixes of Depeche's Precious?
Not that horrible...
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