identified constructions and I'll create a test suite from
these.
-Steve
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From: James Ratcliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Do you have any of this on the Net or usable
: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
Do you have any of this on the Net or usable form? Or can post some good
screens of it?
James Ratcliff
Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For my own AI research I am using Java. Apart from its satisfactory speed, I
like the NetBeans IDE, and most
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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:33:57 PM
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Stephen --
What do you know about Cyc's licensing terms?
Let's say that Novamente reads Cyc and then learns some
: James Ratcliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Do you have any of this on the Net or usable form? Or can post some good
screens of it?
James Ratcliff
Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
I'd commend to the LISP hackers' attention the compiler Stalin
by Jeff Syskind, who last I knew was at Purdue.
I'm uncertain the extent to which the compiler is available,
but I imagine if you look around (for example find Syskind's home page)
you will find papers or or pointers. My erstwhile
On 4/10/07, Eric Baum wrote:
I'd commend to the LISP hackers' attention the compiler Stalin
by Jeff Syskind, who last I knew was at Purdue.
I'm uncertain the extent to which the compiler is available,
but I imagine if you look around (for example find Syskind's home page)
you will find papers or
The Stalin Scheme compiler can be obtained here:
http://cobweb.ecn.purdue.edu/~qobi/software.html
It is a batch-mode-only compiler, meaning it lacks the interactive
aspect that makes languages like LISP and Ruby so nice to
use.
The optimizations inside the Stalin compiler are quite advanced
Philip Samantha, you need to provide me with references if you want
Philip me to believe this. No LISP compiler has ever been optimized
Philip to any serious degree AFAIK. The nature of the language makes
Philip it difficult to write efficient code in the first place. And
Philip I suspect
On 4/10/07, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mathematical code is exactly what's MOST EASILY OPTIMIZABLE using
techniques as exist in the Stalin Scheme compiler, or better yet in the Java
supercompiler.
Each numeric operation is of course no faster after optimized or super
And these advanced compilation techniques are easier to apply to LISP or
Refal
or Haskell than to Java, and easier to apply to Java than to C++
Why is that?
well...
C++ has pointers, which basically rule out sophisticated compilation
techniques like partial evaluation and
On 3/20/07, David Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Java has static typing and no introspection. It has no way of making
programs of itself and then executing them. Multiple running programs
require very expensive multi-threading and the huge mutex overhead for
synchronization.
Java has more
On 3/23/07, Samantha Atknis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
8,Fast where most of the processing is done.
In the language or in things written in the language or both? Lisp has
been interpreted and compiled simultaneously and nearly seamlessly for 20
years and has efficiency approaching compiled C
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 02:02:33PM -0400, Philip Goetz wrote:
Samantha, you need to provide me with references if you want me to
believe this. No LISP compiler has ever been optimized to any serious
I've heard different. Google seems to agree somewhat:
On 3/19/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, I've been thinking for a bit about how a big collaboration AI project
could work. I browsed the archives and i see you guys have similar
ideas
I'd love to see someone build a system that is capable of adding any
kind of AI algorithm/idea
Some more notes on cognitive infrastructures:
IKAROS (http://www.lucs.lu.se/IKAROS/index.html)
IKAROS components correspond to brain areas, which are linked to each
other through arrays of real variables that represent neurons. IKAROS
is focused on representing the human brain accurately at a
Philip Goetz wrote:
Some more notes on cognitive infrastructures:
IKAROS (http://www.lucs.lu.se/IKAROS/index.html)
IKAROS components correspond to brain areas, which are linked to each
other through arrays of real variables that represent neurons. IKAROS
is focused on representing the human
Philip Goetz wrote:
On 3/23/07, Samantha Atknis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
8,Fast where most of the processing is done.
In the language or in things written in the language or both? Lisp has
been interpreted and compiled simultaneously and nearly seamlessly for 20
years and has efficiency
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Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:43 PM
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when someone gets a clue about what they are trying to build
that I can teach the system in English how to
do things and so not worry about the programming smile
-Steve
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:03:44 AM
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Allegro
On 3/25/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some form of unifying framework, whatever that is, is of course
desirable. But the problem is how to get people to *agree* to work within
your framework (or any particular one).
Consider the problem of getting everyone to agree to use
On 3/24/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
I think Jey's comment is reasonable. It seems impractical to start a
collaborative AI project without having an AGI design which specifies
what
modules are there and how they
Ben Goertzel wrote:
My PhD is in math and I used to be a math prof, but I have
found no opportunity yet to use really advanced math in AI
My B.A. is in Latin and Greek and I used to be a teacher of
Latin and German. In Mentifex AI, I use very little math and
tons of linguistics. A brief
I've seen heated arguments over computer languages on AI-related forums many
times before, so I've no intention of pimping any particular language
specifically for AGI development. Actually I think the state of the art in
software creation at the moment is still rather crummy, and not much
--- YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The richer your set of algorithms and representations, the more likely
the correct ones will emerge/pop out as you put it. I don't really like
the idea of hoping for extra functionality to
--- Chuck Esterbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/24/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
one chooses a
decent option and gets on with it.
-- Ben
That's exactly the problem.. everyone just builds their
own ideas and doesn't consider how their ideas and code could
--- Chuck Esterbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/24/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
I think Jey's comment is reasonable. It seems impractical to start a
collaborative AI project without having an AGI design
project...)
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Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:37 AM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
On 3/24/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED
On 3/25/07, Bob Mottram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've seen heated arguments over computer languages on AI-related forums many
times before, so I've no intention of pimping any particular language
specifically for AGI development. Actually I think the state of the art in
software creation at the
On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Chuck Esterbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/24/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
I think Jey's comment is reasonable. It seems impractical to start a
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To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:46 PM
Subject: Environments and Languages for AGI [WAS Re: [agi] My proposal for
an AGI agenda]
As for all the other talk on this list, recently, about programming
David Clark wrote:
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:46 PM
Subject: Environments and Languages for AGI [WAS Re: [agi] My proposal for
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As for all the other talk on this list, recently
--- Chuck Esterbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Chuck Esterbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/24/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
I think Jey's comment
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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:26 PM
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Enhancements to existing computer languages or new computer languages that
could possibly grease the wheels for AGI development
On 3/24/07, John Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you could imagine a really,
really super advanced language created by super-intelligent giant brained
aliens (seriously) or created by their alien supercomputer, what would
that
language be like? Would it be a mishmash of lowest common
On 3/23/07, David Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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*Subject:* Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
On 3/23/07, David Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have
--- David Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
Suppose there was an AGI framework that everyone could add
On 3/23/07, David Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Both the code and algorythmn must be good for any computer system to work
and neither is easy. The bond formula was published for many years but this
particular company certainly didn't have a copy of it inside a program they
could use. The
If we're talking language for AGI _content_ (as opposed to framework
for which Ben Goertzel has made a fair case for even C++), then more
like removal of features. Because for AGI content, it's not what you
can do in principle, it's what you can be _casual_ with.
Correct, this is an
Is the research on AI full of Math because there are many Math
professors that publish in the field or is the problem really Math
related? Many PhDs in computer science are Math oriented exactly
because the professors that deem their work worth a PhD are either
or reasonable?
-- David Clark
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David Clark wrote:
I appreciate the amount of effort you made in replying to my email
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From: Sampo Etelavuori
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 3:13 AM
Subject: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
Well, do you agree that making predictions is one central aspect of
intelligence? The brain does it all the time
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 4:26 AM
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-so it will need to have different parts that can be developed (and run?)
independently.
An AGI would be huge
. Allocating memory is just
not the programmers business in my language.
-- David Clark
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:54 AM
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David Clarke wrote:
I have 18 points
The fact that C, C++ and I would presume C# has pointers, precludes any of
these from my list up front. There can be no boundary checks at either
compile or execution time so this feature alone is incompatible with a
higher level language IMO.
FYI, C# has no pointers generically, but you
and so I
have added this to my language.
Sorry, LISP or any kind of LISP just won't do.
-- David Clark
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:03 AM
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Allegro LISP
experienced, having little, so my opinions are biased from
computer telephony software.
John
From: Russell Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:06 AM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
On 3/24/07, John Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED
On 3/23/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Suppose there was an AGI framework that everyone could add
their ideas to.. What properties should it have? I listed
some points below. What would it take for
you to use the framework? You can add points if you like.
On 3/24/07, Jey
. In
practice this is rarely used and needs to be explicitly declared.
-- David Clark
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David Clarke wrote:
I have
--- YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/23/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Suppose there was an AGI framework that everyone could add
their ideas to.. What properties should it have? I listed
some points below. What would it take for
you to use the
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 9:32 AM
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For that particular example, yes I believe you can. You do so by
creating a class (or struct; your preference) and giving it an
implicit cast to long.
Can you use the resultant LONG anywhere
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
ThatÂ’s a neat trick. So on a four processor box you can take control of
the
processors and the OS and run your
Ben Goertzel wrote:
Mark Waser wrote:
IMO, creating an AGI isn't really a programming problem. The hard
part is knowing exactly what to program.
Which is why it turns into a programming problem . . . . I
started out as a biochemist studying enzyme kinetics. The only
reasonable way
As for all the other talk on this list, recently, about programming
languages and the need for math, etc., I find myself amused by the
irrelevance of most of it: when someone gets a clue about what they
are trying to build, and why, the question of what language (or
environment) they
efficiently,
yes difficult. Having mathematicians build tools into computer languages
would definitely make it a lot easier.
John
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From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:10 AM
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one chooses a
decent option and gets on with it.
-- Ben
That's exactly the problem.. everyone just builds their
own ideas and doesn't consider how their ideas and code could
(later) be used by other people
On 3/24/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
one chooses a
decent option and gets on with it.
-- Ben
That's exactly the problem.. everyone just builds their
own ideas and doesn't consider how their ideas and code could
(later) be used by other people
If Novamente reaches human like,
Ben Goertzel wrote:
Richard Loosemore wrote:
As for all the other talk on this list, recently, about programming
languages and the need for math, etc., I find myself amused by the
irrelevance of most of it: when someone gets a clue about what they
are trying to build, and why, the question
Richard Loosemore wrote:
Ben Goertzel wrote:
Richard Loosemore wrote:
As for all the other talk on this list, recently, about programming
languages and the need for math, etc., I find myself amused by the
irrelevance of most of it: when someone gets a clue about what they
are trying to
rooftop8000 wrote:
one chooses a
decent option and gets on with it.
-- Ben
That's exactly the problem.. everyone just builds their
own ideas and doesn't consider how their ideas and code could
(later) be used by other people
I'm not at all sure something like AGI is well-suited to
On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The richer your set of algorithms and representations, the more likely
the correct ones will emerge/pop out as you put it. I don't really like
the idea of hoping for extra functionality to emerge.
This particular version of emergence does not
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Sun has a fairly new language called Fortress that is targeted to
scientists and engineers, and it has stronger notions of built-in math
than your typical OO language. I don't know
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Enhancements to existing computer languages or new computer languages that
could possibly grease the wheels for AGI
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From: Kevin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:11 PM
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This thread has been going on for what, weeks? The argument has been
going on since the beginning of time
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 08:36:14AM -0700, David Clark wrote:
I have created a system that makes Self modifying code and I have a design
that will make use of self modifying code. This is exactly why I created
this language in the first place.
Interesting. Why did you feel the need to improve
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 08:23:51AM -0700, David Clark wrote:
I have a Math minor from University but in 32 years of computer work, I
haven't used more than grade 12 Math in any computer project yet. I have
produced thousands of programs for at least 100 clients including creating a
On 3/23/07, David Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a Math minor from University but in 32 years of computer work, I
haven't used more than grade 12 Math in any computer project yet.
...
I created a bond comparison program for a major wealth investment firm
that
used a pretty fancy
Legg
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On 3/23/07, David Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a Math minor from University but in 32 years of computer work, I
haven't used more than grade 12 Math
Mark Waser wrote:
IMO, creating an AGI isn't really a programming problem. The hard
part is knowing exactly what to program.
Which is why it turns into a programming problem . . . . I
started out as a biochemist studying enzyme kinetics. The only
reasonable way to get a reasonable
: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
Mark Waser wrote:
IMO, creating an AGI isn't really a programming problem. The hard
part is knowing exactly what to program. Which is why it turns into a
programming problem . . . . I started out as a biochemist
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A CPU executes instructions including assignment, conditionals and
simple
looping. How can a language not have
.
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Interesting. Why did you feel the need to improve on SEXPRs? What does
it improve on the CL Lisp model?
1. I don't want or need a C
David Clark writes:
I looked up SEXPR and the following is what I got.
I think he just was using shorthand for s expression.
Looking over the web page you linked to, it seems like your approach is
basically that building an AGI (at least an AGI of the type you are
pursuing) is at its heart
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:48 PM
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Suppose there was an AGI framework that everyone could add
their ideas to.. What properties should it have? I listed
On 3/23/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Suppose there was an AGI framework that everyone could add
their ideas to.. What properties should it have? I listed
some points below. What would it take for
you to use the framework? You can add points if you like.
I don't understand. Is
David Clark wrote:
My AGI and my language was never designed to have millions and billions of
asynchronous, concurrent units. My design certainly has the ability for
run a few thousand events simultaneously and pass messages efficiently
between them but this is not what you are asking. My
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From: Shane Legg
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
On 3/23/07, David Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a Math minor from University but in 32 years of computer work, I
Ben Goertzel wrote:
Regarding languages, I personally am a big fan of both Ruby and
Haskell. But, for Novamente we use C++ for reasons of scalability.
I am curious as to how C++ helps scalability. What sorts of
scalability? Along what dimensions? There are ways that C++ does not
scale
: Samantha Atknis
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
I think you are pretty much stark raving here. :-) Linux is not cryptic
compared to Windoze in the least. I have worked with Window many, many times.
When I have
David Clark wrote:
I appreciate the amount of effort you made in replying to my email.
Most of your questions would be answered if you read the documentation
on my site. The last time I looked, LISP had no built-in database.
Allegro Lisp has a very nice (easy to use, scalable, damn fast)
David Clark wrote:
I appreciate the amount of effort you made in replying to my email.
Most of your questions would be answered if you read the documentation
on my site. The last time I looked, LISP had no built-in database.
Has this changed recently? Does it still use that idiotic prefix
Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
On 3/20/07, Charles D Hixson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
rooftop8000 wrote:
...
I think we should somehow allow people to use all the program
languages they want.
That somehow is the big problem. Most approaches to dealing with it
are...lamentable.
...
You can use
On 3/22/07, Charles D Hixson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately, MS is claiming undefined things as being proprietary. As
such, I intend to stay totally clear of implementations of it's
protocols. Including mono. I am considering jvm, however, as Sun has
now freed the java license (and
Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
On 3/22/07, Charles D Hixson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately, MS is claiming undefined things as being proprietary. As
such, I intend to stay totally clear of implementations of it's
protocols. Including mono. I am considering jvm, however, as Sun has
now freed
and network resource
limitations
John
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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:16 AM
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I totally agree that maximum speed is required for AGI. I agree
On 3/22/07, John Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Enhancements to existing computer languages or new computer languages that
could possibly grease the wheels for AGI development would be aligning the
language more closely to mathematics. Many of the computer languages are
[...]
This would be
, 2007 10:16 AM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
I totally agree that maximum speed is required for AGI. I agree with Ben
that flexabilty is also needed (he might have said liked, not needed) like
seen in Ruby. My language IDE has a small simple editor built
On 3/21/07, Chuck Esterbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sometimes the slowness of a program is not contained in a small
portion of a program.
Sure. For us however this isn't the case.
Cobra looks nice, very clean to read, even more so than Python.
However the fact that it's in beta and .NET
On 3/21/07, Shane Legg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/21/07, Chuck Esterbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sometimes the slowness of a program is not contained in a small
portion of a program.
Sure. For us however this isn't the case.
Cobra looks nice, very clean to read, even more so than
--- YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/20/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, I've been thinking for a bit about how a big collaboration AI project
could work. I browsed the archives and i see you guys have similar
ideas
I'd love to see someone build a
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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:43 PM
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Sometimes the slowness of a program is not contained in a small
portion of a program. Especially, after a few rounds
--- Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
rooftop8000 wrote:
Hi, I've been thinking for a bit about how a big collaboration AI project
could work. I browsed the archives and i see you guys have similar
ideas
I'd love to see someone build a system that is capable of adding any
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From: rooftop8000
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
Hi, I've been thinking for a bit about how a big collaboration AI project
could work. I browsed the archives and i see you guys have
For people who might be interested in influencing some of the
features of this system, I would appreciate them looking at my
documentation at www.rccconsulting.com/hal.htm
http://www.rccconsulting.com/hal.htm Although my system isn't quite
ready for alpha distribution yet, I expect that it
I have seen multiple times where others have lamented an adequate platform
that can be used for
creating an AGI. One that has full introspection, speed, power tools, self
programmability and
extreme flexibility. I came to this conclusion about 3 years ago and have
been creating that
If you were introducing a radically new programming paradigm for AGI, I
would be more interested Not that I think this is necessary to
achieve AGI, but I would find it more intellectually stimulating ;-)
If you care to detail what kind of problem or structure you find hard to
deal with
David Clark wrote:
If you were introducing a radically new programming paradigm for AGI, I
would be more interested Not that I think this is necessary to
achieve AGI, but I would find it more intellectually stimulating ;-)
If you care to detail what kind of problem or structure you
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I think we should somehow allow people to use all the program languages
they want.
My proposal certainly allows
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:29:06 -0400, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, **anything** can be dealt with in C++, it's just a matter of how
awkward it is.
nod :-)
I don't want to become deeply involved in these language wars, because I
cannot say honestly that my very limited
rooftop8000 wrote:
...
I think we should somehow allow people to use all the program languages they
want.
That somehow is the big problem. Most approaches to dealing with it
are...lamentable.
...
You can use closed modules if you have meta-information on
how to use them and what they do.
to overcome most serious limitations.
I must say it *would* be nice to have a z# (ie. C# plus full wishlist).
Peter Voss
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