Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-07-12 Thread Grenamc
darrenyeats;317708 Wrote: Michael, You are absolutely right about SNR decreasing. The only thing I would add is that this factor is the only thing to worry about. Bits don't come into it. The reason is that by the time any bits are lost they are lost at the small end, and that is buried

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-07-09 Thread vincentyan
Thanks a lot for the advice. This is one of my perplexed questions about high-end audio equipment: what exactly a pre-amp does other than source switching and volume control (assuming line level amplification is not needed in my system)? If I have a decent source equipment such as the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-07-09 Thread vantagesc
darrenyeats;317708 Wrote: A TP can play a decent range of volumes without the SNR dipping below 96db (the SNR of 16 bits). You don't need any more SNR than that to play red book in all its glory. IMO for red book on a TP a preamp will result in more distortion overall and at best divert

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-07-09 Thread Rodney_Gold
The inhertent noise floor of any electronic component is around 120 db , ie round 21 bits so 24 bit SN ratios (144db) are rubbish. IE there is no hifi component that can give you a snr of 144db , 120db is prolly all thats achievable by even the best component. Ostensibly , if you really believe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-07-09 Thread Pat Farrell
Rodney_Gold wrote: The inhertent noise floor of any electronic component is around 120 db , ie round 21 bits so 24 bit SN ratios (144db) are rubbish. IE there is no hifi component that can give you a snr of 144db , 120db is prolly all thats achievable by even the best component. Perhaps with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-06-29 Thread vincentyan
Frank, I came to this forum not long ago and enjoyed your writing very much. One question: have you tried to connect your modded TP to a power amplifier directly? Correct me if I am wrong: I don't have other source equipment, so I don't need a pre-amp with the TP, the TP's volume control is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-05-31 Thread HalleysComet
tricka;285116 Wrote: H doesn't it matter more about synergy in components and personal listening tastes? I've found that you really can't say something is better or not, just that it suits your system as you like to hear it. I'm fascinated at the emotion this stirs up! Personally I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-05-31 Thread eiret
I have read that musicians use different acoustic guitars for different songs. Its still an acoustic guitar. I have read that some professional studio engineers use different speakers(monitors) for different songs. Its still speakers(monitors) -- eiret

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-05-31 Thread HalleysComet
eiret;307320 Wrote: I have read that musicians use different acoustic guitars for different songs. Its still an acoustic guitar. I have read that some professional studio engineers use different speakers(monitors) for different songs. Its still speakers(monitors) Good point! I like

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-05-01 Thread tomjtx
95bcwh;297763 Wrote: ShockinglyI'm not new to these forums, I just left for a while, but I'm shocked to come back and found that people here still wasting their time arguing with Tom. Guys..do you know that he has hearing deficiency? Have a nice day! Sorry , 95, I have my ears

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-29 Thread tricka
H doesn't it matter more about synergy in components and personal listening tastes? I've found that you really can't say something is better or not, just that it suits your system. I'm fascinated at the emotion this stirs up! Persoanlly I thought the original post wasn't that ra ra - I read

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-29 Thread haraldo
tricka;285116 Wrote: H doesn't it matter more about synergy in components and personal listening tastes? I've found that you really can't say something is better or not, just that it suits your system as you like to hear it. I'm fascinated at the emotion this stirs up! Personally I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-29 Thread tricka
haraldo;285123 Wrote: Hmmm.. I would be a bit worried if some equipment worked with some music and some equipment worked with other kinds of music. b.t.w. I love your opera house :-D Oh I don't know...I think that tube tonal colour doesn't suit all styles of music. I like my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-28 Thread tomjtx
haraldo;284638 Wrote: I normally use Sikaflex adhesive and a dirt cheap BlackDecker heating gun to fix the holes when we have snipers in our area I've heard the silkaflex has good room treatment acustics as well. Did you DBT before and after bullet hole fix? -- tomjtx

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-28 Thread haraldo
tomjtx;284558 Wrote: BTW, does anyone know a good drywall/painter guy to fill the bullet holes in my walls? I normally use Sikaflex adhesive and a dirt cheap BlackDecker heating gun to fix the holes when we have snipers in our area -- haraldo Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop / SC7 - SB3 -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-28 Thread haraldo
tomjtx;284644 Wrote: I've heard the silkaflex has good room treatment acustics as well. Did you DBT before and after bullet hole fix? Yas, I did DBT, and I compared Sikaflex and some brands of Acrylic glue, you seem to get slightly better midrange dynamics with Sikaflex, and a bit less treble

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-28 Thread darrenyeats
I've given up trying to change the minds of audiophiles. There's only one alternative left. Darren PS: Sorry about your wall. PPS: It would help if you sat still just for one darned minute! -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-28 Thread NoFlyZone
I'm so confused.. I thought the ceiling texture worked best to diffuse bullet backwaves? Anyone here live in the SF Bay Area? I'd love to audition that wooly Modright TP and the tizzy stock TP side by side. I have a slightly modded SB3 with the Welbourne PS. I added a nice DIY VH Audio power

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-28 Thread tomjtx
darrenyeats;284774 Wrote: I've given up trying to change the minds of audiophiles. There's only one alternative left. Darren PS: Sorry about your wall. PPS: It would help if you sat still just for one darned minute! I can't sit still , a moving target is harder to hit. -- tomjtx

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-28 Thread haraldo
tomjtx;284897 Wrote: I can't sit still , a moving target is harder to hit. There's been an olympic event... Shooting on running targets In Norwegian we call this: Shooting on running boar Perhaps quite ok to describe audiophiles. -- haraldo Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop / SC7 -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-27 Thread ted_b
Thanks for the kudos. And yes, you guys are correct about the comparo. :) I did not have both products in my room at the same time. In fact they were at least a month apart, and my memory is what we're we talking about? Seriously, the stock sound was pretty evident, and not that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-27 Thread mr_bill
I would agree on the stock sound - very transparent and revealing but the highs aren't 'tizzy,' just accurate and I have a very resolving system. Tizzy sounds like the stock unit would have a problem or be inaccurate. Thanks for your post Ted. Good to hear your thoughts. Bill -- mr_bill

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-27 Thread ted_b
mr_bill;284492 Wrote: I would agree on the stock sound - very transparent and revealing but the highs aren't 'tizzy,' just accurate and I have a very resolving system. Tizzy sounds like the stock unit would have a problem or be inaccurate. Thanks for your post Ted. Good to hear your

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-26 Thread rydenfan
mr_bill;283857 Wrote: I posted on the Audiocircle forum on the Transporter thread asking the reviewers for the comparison to the stock Transporter, but that was blown off. In my mind - what's the point of just reviewing the modded Transporter without coomparing to the stock unit? Maybe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-26 Thread mr_bill
rydenfan;283865 Wrote: How were you blown off? this was Danny Kaey's response to you: howdy... I won't be reviewing the stock TP per-se; I'll spend most of the time in the Truth TP domain - I feel it eclipses the former by a considerable margin as to devote an entire review to it when the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-26 Thread rajacat
tomjtx;283628 Wrote: Now now ,Adam, of course there was a point. I don't respect loony tune reviewers like srajean, Kaey and others of their ilk. I do respect your taste in music a great deal , however. So I'm not all bad :-) I do have to go away soon tonight. A swedish classical

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-26 Thread ted_b
Back in the old days we would flavor our recordings with tone controls. Nowadays we do it with amps, cables and modifications. What I and others have said about the Modwright Transporter should not be taken as the stock one sucks but instead the Transporter is such a great device and proves

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-26 Thread tomjtx
rajacat;284015 Wrote: Sand amps have their colorations too! Every amp that I've owned had it's own flavor. Actually, you can just change a cap or two in most good amps and there will probably be a slightly different sound quality. If sand amps don't color the sound they should all sound the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-26 Thread rajacat
Phil Leigh;284056 Wrote: You clearly can't distinguish improved from different... What is the problem here? Sticking some valves across the o/p is going to make it sound different for sure...and some people will prefer that sound which is fine. But it is not better in any absolute sense -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-26 Thread rajacat
xand1x;284050 Wrote: x2. Srajan's review would have been more credible if he compared it to a stock transporter in all fairness. I highly doubt financial constraint was a limiting factor either =\ I agree. Srajan should have had a stock TP on hand as a reference. -Roy -- rajacat

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-26 Thread haunyack
tomjtx;284122 Wrote: ... comparo between the two. ...do a realtime comparo... ...ted did a direct comparo... comparo. Jeez, I just cannot...hmm http://www.comparo.co.uk/ _? . -- haunyack Transporter | BK 200.2 | Vandersteen 3A Signature C.G. Conn New York Wonder

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-26 Thread tomjtx
haunyack;284129 Wrote: Ah yes ;-) Thought you may have coined a new buzz word. When I hear the term comparo again, I will attribute it to tomjtx. . Alas, I cannot take credit, that is a word oft used on head-fi. Do not go gentle into the night rage against the dying of the light do a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-26 Thread haunyack
tomjtx;284132 Wrote: Alas, I cannot take credit, that is a word oft used on head-fi. Do not go gentle into the night rage against the dying of the light do a comparo blind without sight Sorry 'bout the hijack y'all. head-fi, this newbie will check that out. Phones? I'm yet to explore

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread rydenfan
For anyone that is interested 6moons just reviewed the Modwright transporter and favorably compared it to a $30,000 Esoteric player. Needless to say it was awarded a 6moons award. Here is the review: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/modwright3/transporter.html -- rydenfan

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread tomjtx
rydenfan;283380 Wrote: For anyone that is interested 6moons just reviewed the Modwright transporter and favorably compared it to a $30,000 Esoteric player. Needless to say it was awarded a 6moons award. Here is the review: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/modwright3/transporter.html Who

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread adamslim
rydenfan;283380 Wrote: For anyone that is interested 6moons just reviewed the Modwright transporter and favorably compared it to a $30,000 Esoteric player. Needless to say it was awarded a 6moons award. Cheers, interesting to see. I have almost written off the Linn stuff completely because

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread Phil Leigh
Actually I agree with Tom (some). It would have been more interesting to compare a stock TP vs modded vs whatever... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread haraldo
tomjtx;283423 Wrote: Who cares? That reviewer also saw no point in comparing or even listening to a stock TP. The reviewer couldn't be bothered to listen to a stock component. Why give credence to such a biased reviewer? If Srajean did a DBT comparo of the Mod TP , the Esoteric and a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread rydenfan
Tom you truly never cease to amaze me. You get upset if somebody posts about the Modwright in any thread. So the only place I have discussed it is here, and yet you still bash. What is your problem? Here is something just for you! This is a quote from Danny Kaey who is the US editor for The

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread Shredder
Disappointing review, I agree. As I have said before, I have heard both the stock and the Mod and while both are great, prefer the Modwright. Definitely worth a listen for anyone who has interest.I think the 6Moons review is not very valuable without a comparision to the stock model. As with all

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread tomjtx
haraldo;283601 Wrote: I think everybody should be allowed to post their opinions, we don't always have to agree :-) I think the negative remarks on the Music Vault was weird, to say the least, in such a review. I think everyone should be allowed to post their opinion as well. That is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread haraldo
tomjtx;283622 Wrote: Srajean's refusal to compare a stock TP and his implied dismissal of the stock as not worth his time is the sort of audiophile snobbery that has no place in a serious reviewer. Unfortunately most reviewers are like that. Which is why I almost don't read Stereophile

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread tomjtx
rydenfan;283612 Wrote: Tom you truly never cease to amaze me. You get upset if somebody posts about the Modwright in any thread. So the only place I have discussed it is here, and yet you still bash. What is your problem? Here is something just for you! This is a quote from Danny Kaey who

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread tomjtx
adamslim;283564 Wrote: Cheers, interesting to see. I have almost written off the Linn stuff completely because of the quality of SqueezeCenter; this is probably the only digital upgrade I could make. Tom, there was no point to your post. Go away. :) Now now ,Adam, of course there was a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-25 Thread tomjtx
Shredder;283613 Wrote: Disappointing review, I agree. As I have said before, I have heard both the stock and the Mod and while both are great, prefer the Modwright. Definitely worth a listen for anyone who has interest.I think the 6Moons review is not very valuable without a comparision to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-12 Thread haraldo
Lefatshe;278634 Wrote: the audiophile goal: faking-out your brain so you believe you're at the live concert. I really enjoy that description :-)) -- haraldo Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop / SC7 - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 / Duntech PCL-15 Everything is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-03-11 Thread Lefatshe
Thanks Frank for describing your equipment with the ModWright Transporter. In my short experience with audiophile equipment the associated equipment, the room and the wires all matter. I'm glad your ears love it. The audiophile who sold me my Transporter (thanks Karl) highly recommended Dan's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-18 Thread twylie
Phil Leigh;270306 Wrote: The mosquito works at 17.4khz...if you can hear that and are over 25, you have bat ears. There are CD's with stuff on up there - but you aren't going to miss it too much IMHO. I'm 39 and have no problem hearing the mosquito or other tones in the 17-18k range.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-18 Thread Phil Leigh
twylie;270617 Wrote: I'm 39 and have no problem hearing the mosquito or other tones in the 17-18k range. Guess I'm fortunate, but this high end stuff would be less expensive for me if my ears rolled off at 15k. :-) Then you are certainly incredibly lucky...and have almost certainly never

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-17 Thread CardinalFang
ted_b;270145 Wrote: The vile and unsupported criticism (i.e without ever hearing it) on this thread is embarrassing. Well to be fair, you kind of set yourself up for it be saying how much better your TP is than those of other posters on this forum. However true that is, it's bound to annoy.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-17 Thread Patrick Dixon
CardinalFang;270295 Wrote: when I'm only hearing a fraction of what's on the CD. I'd rather hear a fraction, than a fraction of a fraction. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-17 Thread Phil Leigh
The mosquito works at 17.4khz...if you can hear that and are over 25, you have bat ears. There are CD's with stuff on up there - but you aren't going to miss it too much IMHO. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-17 Thread CardinalFang
Phil Leigh;270306 Wrote: There are CD's with stuff on up there - but you aren't going to miss it too much IMHO. I guess my point was that we ought to recognise that our ears are significantly degraded by age, loud concerts, iPods etc., so we shouldn't get too wound up about accuracy when in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-17 Thread Patrick Dixon
It's a good point. I guess it indicates that 48KHz, 96KHz and up audio is more about how good or bad the pre-ADC filters in the recording process are, rather than anything in the replay chain. After all, if we can't even hear 17KHz, there's not much point in worrying about reproducing 24KHz -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-17 Thread haraldo
Even though it's claimed that what happens above 20KHz is of no interest, we still can hear the effects of what happens above 20KHz, this may be as phase shifts, for instance... A brick wall analog filter at 22KHz is definitely audible. Why is it so that adding a murata supertweeter that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-17 Thread ted_b
CardinalFang;270295 Wrote: Well to be fair, you kind of set yourself up for it be saying how much better your TP is than those of other posters on this forum. However true that is, it's bound to annoy. ??? I never said such a thing. I entered this thread very late, and I said I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-17 Thread Timothy Stockman
Patrick Dixon;270438 Wrote: It's a good point. I guess it indicates that 48KHz, 96KHz and up audio is more about how good or bad the pre-ADC filters in the recording process are, rather than anything in the replay chain. After all, if we can't even hear 17KHz, there's not much point in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-16 Thread ted_b
I am Dan's first Modwright TP customer and have had it for months now. It is the best digital front-end I've ever heard, and I've heard many. I like it, in my system, in my well-treated room, quite a bit more than the stock TP, a wonderful invention if I say so. I've posted pics and comments

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-16 Thread HalleysComet
ted_b;270145 Wrote: I am Dan's first Modwright TP customer and have had it for months now. It is the best digital front-end I've ever heard, and I've heard many. I like it, in my system, in my well-treated room, quite a bit more than the stock TP, a wonderful invention if I say so.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-16 Thread tomjtx
ted_b;270145 Wrote: I am Dan's first Modwright TP customer and have had it for months now. It is the best digital front-end I've ever heard, and I've heard many. I like it, in my system, in my well-treated room, quite a bit more than the stock TP, a wonderful invention if I say so.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-16 Thread tomjtx
ted_b;270145 Wrote: I am Dan's first Modwright TP customer and have had it for months now. It is the best digital front-end I've ever heard, and I've heard many. I like it, in my system, in my well-treated room, quite a bit more than the stock TP, a wonderful invention if I say so.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-16 Thread JJZolx
ted_b;270145 Wrote: The vile and unsupported criticism (i.e without ever hearing it) on this thread is embarrassing. Don't be embarassed. It's par for the course around here. In the future I'd recommend just not posting in this forum and let them start ragging on each other when they find

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-14 Thread rydenfan
I placed my order with Dan yesterday. I will post my impressions once it arrives. -- rydenfan rydenfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15335 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-11 Thread tomjtx
opaqueice;268032 Wrote: What evidence do you have for that? That's not how he describes them on his website. Of course, what he says doesn't make any sense at all, so that's not saying much. HalleysComet, opaqueice is a physicist so he speaks with some authority when he says the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-11 Thread Timothy Stockman
It would be interesting to see some MEASURED performance of various Transporter modifications. Before I get the usual chorus of measurements don't count, sound does, let me point out that measurements DO clearly count, because the ear and brain are apparently registering a difference. It seems

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-11 Thread HalleysComet
Pat Farrell;267868 Wrote: Shredder wrote:[color=blue] Glad you like it. As far as I'm concerned, anyone can listen to, and like anything, and its fine by me. Its your ears and your money. All the arguing about circuits and parts is hot air. IMHO. Ah, a breath of fresh air! As usual

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-11 Thread alekz
Timothy Stockman;268234 Wrote: Does MW make any attempt to quamtify the improvement they make? . . . Anyway, what does MW specify is the improvement? Actually, they do not claim anything. But you can find what the other people say. This thread is a good start. Also, you can have a look at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-11 Thread alekz
HalleysComet;267932 Wrote: Hope this helps! Thanks Frank. I still have some concerns (apart from how it would sound in my system ;-): o- if there's space for both Maui and ModWright mods o- if ModWright mods are reversible o- vibration damping (mostly tubes) o- the length of the wires going

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-11 Thread alekz
About the measurements: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815page=19 -- alekz alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13574 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-11 Thread opaqueice
HalleysComet;267843 Wrote: Jack Bybee was able to develop a successful solution to allow sonar listeners to more reliably detect enemy submarines, using technology he developed that was kept classified by the US Navy for a number of years. What evidence do you have for that? Well, the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread GuyDebord
tomjtx;267543 Wrote: I auditioned a full blown bolder SB and a modded TP in my home for several weeks each doing careful, level matched comparisons. So at least some making comments have heard the other gear :-) I stayed with the stock TP. The other gear was not an improvement to my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread Phil Leigh
[cold-induced rant] I think part of the problem here is some slightly unfortunate choices of language. For example, the OP used the word limitations implying that the MW is absolutely better that the inherently flawed original TP output stage. It isn't - it's just different. Valves aren't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread adamslim
Phil Leigh;267621 Wrote: Valves aren't better than transistors - they are just different. That's fine. Nothing wrong with that. But can we please have a moratorium on the unqualified use of the word better? No-one can define better in this context. Valves may not be intrinsically better

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread alekz
Please notice that nobody mentioned measurements in this thread ;-) (see here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815page=19) Probably (since people will mod their TP/SB's anyway) it would be useful to create threads dedicated to all available mods. Or at least to compare them.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread Phil Leigh
adamslim;267631 Wrote: Valves may not be intrinsically better than transistors, maybe, but I'm pretty sure transistors -sound- worse than valves ;) NO THEY DON'T! It's all about the circuit, not the devices. You can make anything sound like anything if you want to. I use both. To my ears,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread alekz
tomjtx;267439 Wrote: You could have gotten the same result feeding transporter through a tube preamp or buffer. Not quite. The difference will be: o- coupling capacitors o- balanced stage (1x5534 per shoulder, 4 in total) o- unbalanced stage (1x5534 per channel, 2 in total) o- attenuator

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread adamslim
adamslim;267631 Wrote: Valves may not be intrinsically better than transistors, maybe, but I'm pretty sure transistors -sound- worse than valves ;) Phil Leigh Wrote: Rant opaqueice Wrote: Rant Crikey calm down calm down, there's me thinking smileys are there for a purpose, to show - in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread HalleysComet
GuyDebord;267603 Wrote: and the willingness to consume 4000 in credit or cash. the transporter has years of research and development on it, electrical engineers, designers, software engineers, etc. The technology, features and sound is truly worth 2000 euros, the tp reflects innovation

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread rydenfan
I am sure I will be flamed for my beliefs, but I have to say I do find it very interesting that everybody who KNOWS that either the Modwright Transporter is a waste of money or that the same thing could be achieved in another way has never heard one. Yet everybody who has indeed listened seems to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread HalleysComet
rydenfan;267776 Wrote: I am sure I will be flamed for my beliefs, but I have to say I do find it very interesting that everybody who KNOWS that either the Modwright Transporter is a waste of money or that the same thing could be achieved in another way has never heard one. Yet everybody who

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread HalleysComet
Timothy Stockman;267790 Wrote: OK, what is non-standard about his analog stage? Does he use a non-standard circuit topology? What is unique in his circuit? I don't have access to a circuit diagram, but from what I can see, and have read, the stage is optimized for class A operation of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread Timothy Stockman
HalleysComet;267786 Wrote: The analog stage in his Transporter modification is hardly extremely standard OK, what is non-standard about his analog stage? Does he use a non-standard circuit topology? What is unique in his circuit? -- Timothy Stockman

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread opaqueice
HalleysComet;267786 Wrote: Dan was one of the first to accept and utilize the work of Jack Bybee, to deal with the effects of HF interference in high bandwidth audio circuits. Really? So much for ModWright, then. -- opaqueice

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread tomjtx
opaqueice;267827 Wrote: Really? So much for ModWright, then. X2, I didn't realize modwright was into that bybee nonsense. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread HalleysComet
opaqueice;267827 Wrote: Really? So much for ModWright, then. Yeah, I know. But really... Jack Bybee was able to develop a successful solution to allow sonar listeners to more reliably detect enemy submarines, using technology he developed that was kept classified by the US Navy for a number

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread Pat Farrell
Shredder wrote: I chose the MW TP direct into my amps over the other options, ie nice Dac into nice pre, TP into nice pre, great Dac w/no pre. Give it a listen. I suspect most will like it. If not, you will be able to make an educated judgment. Glad you like it. As far as I'm concerned,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread alekz
Frank (aka HalleysComet), I see no reason why you have to defend your choice. If it sounds better (for you), than it's the way to go (for you). Period. I second rydenfan here. That reminds me a couple of real interviews I heard:I have't read the book, but it's bad, I will not read it and I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread GuyDebord
HalleysComet;267786 Wrote: While I respect your point of view, I disagree with one of your key premises. Dissatisfaction with the state-of-the-art, and the willingness to explore alternatives is central to progress in sound reproduction technology. Most of the leading lights in this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread Pat Farrell
alekz wrote: Too often it shows how bad the recordings are. Not how good the music is. Isn't this a curse of any accurate audiophile system? Whatever you do, don't play CSNY's Four Way Street CD. It is terrible. Out of tune, loudness wars, clipping, etc. I had such grand memories of that as

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread alekz
Pat Farrell;267872 Wrote: alekz wrote: Too often it shows how bad the recordings are. Not how good the music is. Isn't this a curse of any accurate audiophile system? Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Accurate (but unlistenable) vs distorted (but rather enjoyable) dilemma. The

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread alekz
tomjtx;267888 Wrote: I auditioned the maiu mod and ab'd it directly with my stock transporter. What was the rest of the system? Was it the 1st Anthony's iteration with the analogue stage not touched? tomjtx;267888 Wrote: The best thing I could say is he didn't make the modded TP sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread tomjtx
I auditioned the maiu mod and ab'd it directly with my stock transporter. There was no differance that could be identified by me or 2 other experienced listeners, a recording engineer and a high end dealer. The best thing I could say is he didn't make the modded TP sound worse. What a total

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread darrenyeats
What if this whole conversation was about some speaker wire? Poster 1 Wow, company X's modification of Logitech's speaker wire has totally transformed the sound! Everything's become so real!!! Poster 2 If a mod on a speaker wire makes that much difference, and the original speaker wire pretty

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread crooner
tomjtx;267841 Wrote: X2, I didn't realize modwright was into that bybee nonsense. Yeah, what a disappointment!! -- crooner Customized dual chassis Super Squeezebox EAD DSP-7000 Series III DAC with HDCD and mods. VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Marantz 10B tube FM tuner Audio Research

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-10 Thread HalleysComet
alekz;267853 Wrote: Let's get back to the subject. I have a couple of questions to those who have heard both the stock and modded Transporter. o- Frank, you mentioned that the stock TS sounds(-ed) more detailed. Could you please elaborate? Do you hear less details now? Are they masked

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-09 Thread HalleysComet
adamslim;267438 Wrote: Thanks for sharing (does that sound like an AA comment? ;) ). Out of interest, why did you go for the Modwright over other modders? I've previously purchased Dan Wright's modified Perpetual Technologies P3A DAC and was very pleased with the result (no tubes!).

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-09 Thread adamslim
Thanks for sharing (does that sound like an AA comment? ;) ). Out of interest, why did you go for the Modwright over other modders? -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-09 Thread tomjtx
You could have gotten the same result feeding transporter through a tube preamp or buffer. I love tubes also but it is a shame you wasted that money when you could have gotten the same results for a fraction of the price. It is getting a bit tiresome listening to talk about the illusory

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-09 Thread adamslim
tomjtx;267439 Wrote: You could have gotten the same result feeding transporter through a tube preamp or buffer. I love tubes also but it is a shame you wasted that money when you could have gotten the same results for a fraction of the price. It is getting a bit tiresome listening to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ModWright Transporter experience: truth vs. beauty?

2008-02-09 Thread tomjtx
adamslim;267440 Wrote: You could have gotten a better result by not posting. Now now, Adam, I should be allowed a few cranky posts per month :-) Seriously though, I would never post on the Modwright forum about what a waste it is to mod the TP. I would consider that rude and unnecessary

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