On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote,
I would also point out that half of Washington has known Valerie
Plame was a CIA agent for years, ...
This may be true, although I have heard specific rebuttals to this
claim. I hope you are wrong, because if it is true, then
Dan wrote:
It wouldn't have had the same cadence. I'd be more than willing to agree
that Jefferson would not be too disturbed by people who just accept his
principals as self evident Truths without worrying about how they came to
be. But, your argument reduces them from Truth to social norms.
I think you need Israeli right-wing POV here ...
Ritu wrote
I'd say Israel's current army chief of staff and four ex-security
chiefs would know more about the situation there. And Moshe Ya'alon and
four of Israel's ex-security chiefs think that their policy is
counter-productive and intensifying
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
That would satisfy the confidentiality requirements
and still do a very good job of sorting the innocent
from the guilty. That seems to me to be what the
government has in mind. Eventually.
I don't understand this eventually bit. These people have been
incarcerated
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder...
In a message dated 11/16/2003 1:14:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't understand
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:49:40PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Cards are well known.
Actually, no, poker is not well known. I chose my example somewhat
carefully, although I did make the concession of talking about 5-card
draw instead of the example I first thought of, no-limit Texas Hold'em,
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:46:54AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
We normally say (I believe quoting Thomas Jefferson) that it's better
to let 10 guilty men go free than keep one innocent man in jail. The
problem in this situation is that, given the scale of the threat
involved, _that's not
In a message dated 11/17/2003 4:04:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Its certainly true that the actions taken by parents are in response to
actions taken by kids. But, I was thinking more of the structure of
parenting, not the individual actions, once the if then
Deborah Harrell wrote:
snippage
I'm not willing to stop driving my car, nor do I think
that forbidding alcohol consumption is reasonable,
although both might make my life safer#; leaving
another person in 'permanent limbo' does not seem
resonable to me either, and subjects our country to
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:42:05PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Because of that we are forced to make choices. Pretending otherwise
is absurd, and arrogant fools can make all the claims of bigotry they
want (transferrence, perhaps?) but it doesn't make it any less true.
And cowardly patriots
Erik Reuter wrote:
Children close their eyes on the world. Adults have to live with
their eyes open.
Cowards and bigots take away the rights of others in order to protect
their own skins. Self-confident adults extend fair treatment
to everyone
they encounter and accept the risks that
On 16 Nov 2003, at 1:03 pm, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:42:05PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
(I suppose Erik will want us to invade Britain next).
I suppose Gautam will think that the British government would be so
unjust, now or in the future, as to hold people captured in
- Original Message -
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder...
On 16 Nov 2003, at 1:03 pm, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:42:05PM -0800
On 16 Nov 2003, at 2:30 pm, Dan Minette wrote:
- Original Message -
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 16 Nov 2003, at 1:03 pm, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:42:05PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
(I suppose Erik will want us to invade Britain next).
I suppose
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder...
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Here's a question for you, if you think the
Declaration should guide
- Original Message -
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder...
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes and no. I've seen Rumsfeld state that no trials
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 09:08:07AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
So, the fact that the US won the last two great battles doesn't mean
that our system of human rights is a logical byproduct of evolution,
any more than extreme nationalism would have been proven by a German
victory or the historical
Erik, you're clearly incapable of a discussion that's
worth my time at this point.
Perhaps at some point in the future you will learn how
to talk to people without insulting them. I have more
important things to do with my life than waste any
more energy on you.
=
Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL
--- ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cowards and bigots take away the rights of others
in order to protect
their own skins. Self-confident adults extend fair
treatment
to everyone
they encounter and accept the risks that freedom
entails in order to
obtain the great benefits of a liberal
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Didn't the British just have shoot to kill orders
with the IRA..even though
they were citizens?
Dan M.
Yes. Also internment camps (as William mentioned).
The concentration camp was invented _by the British_
during the Boer War.
Historical
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Cowards and bigots take away the rights of others
in order to protect
their own skins. Self-confident adults extend fair
treatment
to everyone
they encounter and accept the risks that freedom
entails in order to
obtain the great benefits of a liberal
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:37:04AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Historical illiterates should be careful about the references they
use.
True illiterates should be careful about misreading what was written.
--
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:33:59AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Perhaps at some point in the future you will learn how to talk to
people without insulting them. I have more important things to do
with my life than waste any more energy on you.
Perhaps at some point in your life you will
--- ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, go ahead. If there are any factual errors in
your commentary, I'll
chime in with corrections; otherwise, I'll chime in
with my opinions.
Unlike you, I do not feel bound to insist that
everything ever done by
my country's government [or, to be more
At 09:31 AM 11/15/2003 -0800, you wrote:
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I remember Ruby Ridge and the controversy
surrounding it. There was a lot
of debate concerning exactly what happened. The
range of interpretations
that I saw was anything from a mistake under fire to
actions
I sent this during the outage and havent seen it appear yet.
Doug
--- Forwarded message ---
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder...
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:31:52 -0800
Dan Minette wrote:
I said
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
_In fact_ we have a problem. We have a group of
people who are immensely motivated to kill Americans
and who have attempted to do so in the past. Our
system of justice was not created with people like
that in mind.
Are you saying that the U.S. system of justice was not
In a message dated 11/14/2003 10:44:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Just out of curiosity, if someone posted a fantasy about molesting a
child, saying that the darker parts of his mind imagined it but explaining
carefully that he would never advocate such a thing and
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder...
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 09:08:07AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
So, the fact that the US won the last
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Dan Minette wrote:
I remember Ruby Ridge and the controversy surrounding it. There was a
lot of debate concerning exactly what happened. The range of
interpretations that I saw was anything from a mistake under fire to
actions that should have ended up with the trial
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: christian dreams of murder...
I sent this during the outage and havent seen it appear yet.
Doug
--- Forwarded
In a message dated 11/15/2003 8:45:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Let's just say that I think that's noticeable.
I'd say some incredible discrimination is noticable. All of
them are
human.
How about being less coy about this. There is of course a difference. Ruby
In a message dated 11/15/2003 9:18:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
If people criticized The Fool for positing an article
Jewish dreams of
world domination, would you feel the same way?
No of course not. Since I agree with almost everything the Fool says I forgive him
In a message dated 11/15/2003 10:16:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
How many people have them regularly scheduled, anyway?
The lucky ones
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
In a message dated 11/15/2003 10:10:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Why Jewish? Those who are taking steps in World Domination
are the Swiss People! They control the money, not the Jews
Which of course they got from the german jews and did not bother to return after the
Dan Minette wrote:
I said:
Sufficiently ambiguous. Evolution is my creator.
First, that wasn't Jefferson's idea. The idea of the enlightenment did
not include the idea of human rights being a meme that evolved because it
worked.
Human rights didn't create me, the biological process called
In a message dated 11/15/2003 7:33:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
A claim for which you have _no_, as in zero, evidence.
A lot of people have _claimed_ that the
Administration leaked that name - all of them
liberals, oddly enough - but no one has provided even
a jot
In a message dated 11/15/2003 7:45:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
He refused to answer the question as to
whether he has or has not. Given how frantically the
Gore opposition research team was looking for evidence
that he had, and how much money they were spending on
In a message dated 11/15/2003 7:47:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I'm missing something. Didn't Robert Novak claim that he
got his info from
a high administration official?
What you are missing is the WSJ view of the world. Nothing the republicans do is wrong
and
In a message dated 11/15/2003 7:46:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
It has become rather vague since then. We _don't
know_ if it was a political appointee, a career civil
servant (someone in the SES could also be referred to
as a high administration official, for
In a message dated 11/15/2003 8:05:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Indeed, I am sure that the intelligence services of the rest of the world
were *shocked*, shocked I tell you, to learn that the wife
of an
ambassador was a spy.
So easy for you guys to be glib. She
Since the issue of Britain's views on holding people prisoner without
fair trial came up, I thought I would repost an editorial I posted in
July from the British newspaper The Economist. My impression (Britons,
correct me if I'm wrong) is that the editorial expresses the sentiment
of a majority of
In a message dated 11/15/2003 8:05:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Indeed, I am sure that the intelligence services of the rest of the world
were *shocked*, shocked I tell you, to learn that the wife
of an
ambassador was a spy.
When Clinton was being impeached JDG
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But, you just said that you preferred military
justice. So is your
position also in opposition to the governments, and
are you willing to take
the risk of a military court setting AQ operatives
free?
Dan M.
Eventually, yes. I'd like to see the
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes and no. I've seen Rumsfeld state that no trials are
neededthey can be held indefinately without trial until the
war on terror ends. The problems with this, compared to a war
like WWII, are obvious I think.
To which Gautam
From: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 04:33 PM 11/15/2003 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
I would also point out that half of Washington has known
Valerie Plame was a CIA agent for years, so it's not
as if it's a major security breach either. None of
this, of course, came out in
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:49:22AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Oddly enough, I am. Apparently alone among me, Erik, and you, though,
I've actually spent some time thinking about this issue. Erik's
probably not capable of it, but I would appreciate it if you actually
tried to answer my
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
In 2003, the US does not continue to hold
any WWII German prisoners of war.
But only because they all died, otherwise I bet
Rudolf Hess would still be in jail.
Alberto Monteiro
PS: oops, now I guess someone will call me a n***.
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, go ahead. If there are any factual errors in
your commentary, I'll
chime in with corrections; otherwise, I'll chime in
with my opinions.
Unlike you, I do not feel bound to insist that
everything ever done by
my country's
The 'slippery slope' argument: One of the practical
problems of letting our government keep a bunch of
aliens, many of whom probably _are_ terrorists, in
unlimited offshores legal limbo is that some in power
will want to extend that 'option' to others, even
American citizens. They want to
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 11/14/2003 4:43:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He's quite clear in the intro that it's a work of fiction. A 'wink wink
nod
nod' scenario would have been a single line which said 'Of course, I
don't
support this.' Instead,
Jon Gabriel wrote:
There is a _huge_ difference in this instance between what you describe
and what's on that site. I respectfully suggest you consider re-reading
it, because I'm rather surprised you would make this comparison.
OK, I read it a third time.
You don't see the difference
Jon Gabriel wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you object to Tom Clancy novels?
Oh, I do. The first book of his I read, one of his characters implied,
somewhere in the first 50 pages, that Indira Gandhi was assassinated
because India is such an awful place that her own security guards had no
choice
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While we are being curious, how about a fantasy of
government agents laying
siege to a religious cult, in the end killing 80
adults and children?
If you want a single person, how about a fantasy of
a sniper who's a good
enough shot to kill a
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This brings to mind a pet peeve of mine that drove
me crazy, but I've never
seen anyone else comment on it... Back during the
Clinton era, from day 1 of
his presidency, Clinton was constantly being called
a pothead for his
admitted didn't inhale
--- ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, I do. The first book of his I read, one of his
characters implied,
somewhere in the first 50 pages, that Indira Gandhi
was assassinated
because India is such an awful place that her own
security guards had no
choice but to kill her. The officer wound up
Ritu wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you object to Tom Clancy novels?
Oh, I do. The first book of his I read, one of his characters implied,
But if that was the opinion of a _character_, it does not
necessarily mean that it was the opinion of the _author_.
somewhere in the first 50 pages,
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:41:04AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
A government sting that ends in the murder by Federal agents of an
American citizen holding her baby done at the behest of a liberal
Democrat is a worthy exercise of government power protecting
Americans. Holding non-citizens
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:45:59AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Just to be clear - he has never made any such admission. He refused
to answer the question as to whether he has or has not.
This would appear similar to your position on if you don't condemn it,
then you tacitly endorse it. Why
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wake up on the wrong side of bed, Gautam? Is it so
difficult to admit
that they are BOTH wrong? I haven't seen anyone here
trying to excuse
the former. The latter, however...
--
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
Well, I don't actually
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:37:36AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Well, I don't actually think that holding people who were fighting
against the United States prisoner _is_ wrong.
Exactly my point. How you can justify holding anyone without a fair
trial and access to a lawyer is incredible.
At 08:17 AM 11/15/03 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:45:59AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Just to be clear - he has never made any such admission. He refused
to answer the question as to whether he has or has not.
This would appear similar to your position on if you don't
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:37:36AM -0800, Gautam
Mukunda wrote:
Well, I don't actually think that holding people
who were fighting
against the United States prisoner _is_ wrong.
Exactly my point. How you can justify holding anyone
without a
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:50:43AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Would that be anything like making a statement to the effect that If
you don't condemn getting blow jobs in the office from underlings, you
tacitly endorse it, despite the fact that for the average person it
can adversely
At 08:55 AM 11/15/03 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:50:43AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Would that be anything like making a statement to the effect that If
you don't condemn getting blow jobs in the office from underlings, you
tacitly endorse it, despite the fact that
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:03:07AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Oh, good.
blow job = good
blow up nose = bad
Thank you for clearing that up for me.
You're welcome. You may now return to your regularly scheduled blow job.
--
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:54:38AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Because we are _at war_. We didn't give German POWs
Yeah, right, Gautam. I won't even bother to argue the at war point,
which is laughable, but that you would argue that human rights should be
ignored during war is just sad.
Yet
At 09:30 PM 11/14/2003 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So enough of this crap. Quit ganging up on the Fool (my god more of the
nasty conspiracy - now I am defending the fool)
If people criticized The Fool for positing an article Jewish dreams of
world domination, would you feel the same way?
JDG
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know what a nice trial is, but the
prisoners should receive
the same right to a fair a speedy trial that all
people are entitled to.
Innocent until proven guilty, you may have forgotten
in your war on all
non-Americans zeal.
Erik Reuter
Ronn wrote:
blow job = good
blow up nose = bad
Exactly. I am fully, 100% in support of blow jobs. I am unequivocably
opposed to cocaine.
Adam C. Lipscomb
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://aclipscomb.blogspot.com
___
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:03:07AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Oh, good.
blow job = good
blow up nose = bad
Thank you for clearing that up for me.
You're welcome. You may now return to your regularly scheduled blow job.
How many
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Just out of curiosity, if someone posted a fantasy about molesting a
child, saying that the darker parts of his mind imagined it but
explaining carefully that he would never advocate such a thing and why,
would that be just OK?
Posting it here
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:22:13AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
If you don't think we're at war, there's a big hole in New York that
would argue otherwise.
By your definition, which is apparently not the Congress has declared
war, but as far as I can tell appears to be that there are some
Julia wrote...
Although I've heard of a case where someone got arrested
because he wrote
something in his private journal (on paper) along those lines. Don't
remember how they got hold of his private journal to be reading that.
I remember the case you are talking about. I think this was
At 01:31 PM 11/14/2003 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote:
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.pandagon.net/archives/1992.htm
Murder, Murder
WASHINGTON-January 6, 2004. A paramilitary
organization calling itself
the Christian Liberation Front changed the balance
of power in
JDG wrote:
If people criticized The Fool for positing an article Jewish
dreams of world domination, would you feel the same way?
Why Jewish? Those who are taking steps in World Domination
are the Swiss People! They control the money, not the Jews.
Alberto Monteiro
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 01:31 PM 11/14/2003 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote:
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.pandagon.net/archives/1992.htm
Murder, Murder
WASHINGTON-January 6, 2004. A paramilitary
organization calling itself
the Christian
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
we are neither legally nor morally obligated to do
and
Of course we are morally obligated to extend human
rights to humans.
That you consistently deny this is very sad.
--
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
See Erik, a key difference
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I remember Ruby Ridge and the controversy
surrounding it. There was a lot
of debate concerning exactly what happened. The
range of interpretations
that I saw was anything from a mistake under fire to
actions that should
have ended up with the trial
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 09:21:34AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
See Erik, a key difference between you and me is I tend to say things
like reasonable people can differ on this issue and you don't.
Actucally, the difference is that I don't think it is reasonable to hold
an attitude that people
- Original Message -
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder...
, and maybe the names and faces of CIA
informants published?
The Bush administration is doing
- Original Message -
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder...
So, Erik, be a reasonable person. How would you deal
with the problem? I have a solution
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] The
Bush administration is doing a pretty good job
of this on their own.
xponent
In The News Maru
rob
A claim for which you have _no_, as in zero, evidence.
A lot of people have _claimed_ that the
Administration leaked that name - all of them
- Original Message -
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder...
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] The
Bush administration is doing a pretty good job
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes and no. I've seen Rumsfeld state that no trials
are neededthey can
be held indefinately without trial until the war on
terror ends. The
problems with this, compared to a war like WWII, are
obvious I think. The
war on terror will not end
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm missing something. Didn't Robert Novak claim
that he got his info from
a high administration official?
Dan M.
It has become rather vague since then. We _don't
know_ if it was a political appointee, a career civil
servant (someone in the SES
At 04:33 PM 11/15/2003 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
I would also point out that half of Washington has known
Valerie Plame was a CIA agent for years, so it's not
as if it's a major security breach either. None of
this, of course, came out in the press.
Indeed, I am sure that the intelligence
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:43:34PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Their hysteria is fundamentally a product of immaturity - they are
like five years olds who want a diamond ring. Adults have to make
choices and understand the consequences on both sides of actions. I
_don't know_ for sure what
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 04:33 PM 11/15/2003 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
I would also point out that half of Washington has known
Valerie Plame was a CIA agent for years, so it's not
as if it's a major security breach either. None of
this, of course, came out in the
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal
station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a
decent
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where in the above does it say that you have to
reside within certian
borders to deserve these rights?
Doug
Nowhere. Which is why the Declaration is a wonderful
sentiment without force of law. Everyone on earth
_should have_ those rights.
At 09:16 AM 11/15/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:03:07AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Oh, good.
blow job = good
blow up nose = bad
Thank you for clearing that up for me.
You're welcome. You may now return to
At 04:43 PM 11/15/03 -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes and no. I've seen Rumsfeld state that no trials
are neededthey can
be held indefinately without trial until the war on
terror ends. The
problems with this, compared to a war like WWII, are
At 06:47 PM 11/15/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder...
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] The
Bush
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Here's a question for you, if you think the
Declaration should guide our actions. You supported
Judge Roy Moore, right? Endowed _by their Creator_
with certain inalienable rights... Not so good for
separation of church and state, is it?
Sufficiently ambiguous. Evolution
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Many of us that have
raised children or trained animals have come to the realization
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Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you object to Tom Clancy novels?
Oh, I do. The first book of his I read, one of his
characters implied,
But if that was the opinion of a _character_, it does not
necessarily mean that it was the opinion of the _author_.
Oh, certainly.
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Because we are _at war_.
But I thought the war was over in Afghanistan and IraqAnd in the
former, especially, rapid progress in nation buliding was going on -
things on which future text books would be written. So perhaps it's time
to try the detainees.
We didn't
http://www.pandagon.net/archives/1992.htm
Murder, Murder
WASHINGTON-January 6, 2004. A paramilitary organization calling itself
the Christian Liberation Front changed the balance of power in Washington
by a pair of brutal attacks this afternoon. A force estimated at about
200 CLF commandos
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