It seems to me that they are. I would think that while the CIA might be
getting the info. It is still spec ops that are doing the job.
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I hope you say the same thing when we can't access House of FUsion
because Michael can't pay additional fees to get the bandwidth, but
still has a lot of traffic coming to the site.
Your point of view is so naive.
They don't have to block content outright. They can, however, cap the
available
Just curious if you found something?
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On 4/23/06, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mailing list primary
What do you thinkĀ
I have a monthly subscription to Howard Stern On Demand which is $13.99 a
month. This lets me view all the On Demand shows as many times as I
wish. This
is under a section called Premium Channel.
Under a section called Uncensored TV, there are some more shows, ones that
are
I would call up your cable company and see what's up. The way he has been
talking on sat rad is that you can either pay per episode or buy the whole
thing for a fee a month. If you then have to pay for shows in addition to the
monthly fee, I would be very pissed. He did say that each cable
Anyone heard of the Honda Fit? It's a new compact car that came out
just a little bit ago. We test drove one this weekend. Very cute, very
reasonable, and has a ton of cargo space for a car that small, though
the engine is pretty weak. Toyota has a similar car out or coming out
called the
I have seen the commercials but that is about the extent of my knowledge
About them both.
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Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 8:42 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: The Fit is Go
Anyone heard of the Honda Fit? It's a new compact car that
My coworker looked into this car. She was going to get one, except her
truck died before they came out. I've read a little bit about them.
What surprised me was that it's actually priced quite high for the
size car, and the gas mileage wasn't as great as I would expect for a
little engine.
I
If you like compacts you should look at a Suzuki. I have a Forenza
and I really like it.
On 5/1/06, Robyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone heard of the Honda Fit? It's a new compact car that came out
just a little bit ago. We test drove one this weekend. Very cute, very
reasonable, and has
Well.. I did call them. I watched 4 shows and was charged 7.99 per show. A
total of $31.96.
When I called and explained that the shows I was charged for was not under
the Premium Channel section, they said it was. When I explained to her
that the statement about It is also available by
If all cars got 30 mpg, how could they pay Exxon's CEO a 400 million
dollar retirement package?
On 5/1/06, Deanna Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(which is going to bite it some day) still gets over 30 MPG in town.
And, it has all the speed I need. Why oh why don't they make cars like
that
I would try calling back a few times. Whenever I have this problem if I call
back and get someone else they will give me the credit. If not I would escalate
this to a manager. I did this over the weekend for Chase credit card, I did a
balance transfer and they charged me a $50 fee to do it. Of
Nick wrote:
It seems to me that they are. I would think that while the CIA might be
getting the info. It is still spec ops that are doing the job.
But now you've got special forces, not standard infantry, fighting.
Special Forces are were not created specifically for war, but for
special
Further, Congress declares war and, even if they wanted too, they
couldn't. There's no person to declare war on. Afghanistan was a war
and Iraq is a war, but neither have much to do with terrorism anymore.
If you look to Congress to define a war, you are going to have to go back
a loong
Sounds similar to the Toyota Matrix RS that I bought a year ago... I like
my little (well not so little, it's suprisingly roomy...) Matrix. And I'm
getting ~34 mpg in the city as well. Was able to make a trip from phoneix
to vegas and then drive around a bit on a single tank of gas (~460 miles
THANK YOU!
I've been sitting here privately bitching and moaning about the morons who
include the names and or email addresses of those they are responding to.
There still a slight issue when someone includes the email address of
the person they are replying to as noted below. I have to add
As I remember it the internment of Japanese-Americans, was looked back on as a
mistake. It was the interment based on race and nothing else and there was no
evidence of any spying activity, etc.. by any of those interned.
I also seem to remember somthing about reviewing history in order to
Afterall what has the Patriot Act achieved?
A lot, but that's not really the issue. I mean, we all know that we can
achieve a little bit more security if we give up more of our civil
liberties. So...yeah, the Patriot Act might have made us safer, but was it
worth the cost? Many believe it
Also consider the Honda Civic non-hybrid. It's an ultra-low emissions
vehicle and it also gets great mileage! Many people are choosing these
as an alternative to the hybrid, based on the cost-benefit balance.
Cameron Childress wrote:
scott, I'm not sure what the battery life is, however -
On 5/1/06, SMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just curious if you found something?
Nope, not as of yet. Last night's scheduled chat was done on a
perlscript web board. Blech.
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Have you looked at WebChat.
http://extropia.com/applications.html
On 5/1/06, C. Hatton Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/1/06, SMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just curious if you found something?
Nope, not as of yet. Last night's scheduled chat was done on a
perlscript web board.
If you're driving 29 miles one way how much of that is highway miles? The
hybrid is not going to help you save much money if you drive highway miles. A
small compact car will help you, but I guess you need to do the math on how
much 10 miles more per gallon is going to save you compared to the
Carpooling and public transportation are not viable options, because 1) no
one I work with lives close to me and 2) public transportation in DC is more
expensive than driving.
I wound up buying a 2006 Corolla S over the weekend. Bought it new for 15
and change. 40 MPG on the highway and only $20
I test drove the Yaris over the weekend, the engine is anemic to say the
least. 104 HP and it wont get out of it's own way. Wound up paying less for
a 2006 Corolla S, gas mileage is the same and the Corolla is bigger with
more power.
Thanks
Scott
Scott A. Stewart
Webmaster/ Developer
Congrats! Very exciting. The corolla is a great car.
Scott Stewart wrote:
Carpooling and public transportation are not viable options, because 1) no
one I work with lives close to me and 2) public transportation in DC is more
expensive than driving.
I wound up buying a 2006 Corolla S over
Yeah, but I really loved my Jeep. I feel like I'm making a sacrifice not
like I just bought a new car.
Thanks
Scott
Scott A. Stewart
Webmaster/ Developer
GlobalNet Services, Inc
http://www.gnsi.com
11820 Parklawn Dr
Rockville, MD 20852
Voice: (301) 770-9610 x 335
Fax: (301) 770-9611
The
Anyone have a hack to gmail to turn that feature off?
On 5/1/06, So Kenfused wrote:
THANK YOU!
I've been sitting here privately bitching and moaning about the morons who
include the names and or email addresses of those they are responding to.
There still a slight issue when someone
My advice is never buy the first year's model of any car, any time.
You'll just be Beta testing for Honda
Scott Stewart wrote:
I test drove the Yaris over the weekend, the engine is anemic to say the
least. 104 HP and it wont get out of it's own way. Wound up paying less for
a 2006
Good to know. The Fit kind of sucked engine-wise, but it seems
practical, and I'm not much of a power person when it comes to engines.
However, for *me* to notice that it's got a weak engine is saying
something bad :-)
Robyn
Scott Stewart wrote:
I test drove the Yaris over the weekend,
scott, I'm not sure what the battery life is, however - the net cost of driving
a hybrid is probably going to be higher than your jeep simply because of the
additional cost of the hybrid car itself.
What extra net cost have I been paying for the past year? So far it has been
10 gallons of
Power comes in when you have to pass the big truck on an incline. I need a
car that's responsive to feel safe driving it. The Yaris is woefully
underpowered.
Thanks
Scott
Scott A. Stewart
Webmaster/ Developer
GlobalNet Services, Inc
http://www.gnsi.com
11820 Parklawn Dr
Rockville, MD 20852
I hope you say the same thing when we can't access House of FUsion because
Michael can't pay additional fees to get the bandwidth, but still has a lot of
traffic coming to the site.
Your point of view is so naive.
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But isn't the whole idea of the internet is that data packets will find
Of course there are advantages to paying more for bandwidth. But if you are
not serving video or phone/audio service, who cares about QoS? The situation
you are predicting only comes into play when available bandwidth is
saturated, and as I said, once that happens, the market will take care of
the
On 5/1/06, So Kenfused wrote:
As I remember it the internment of Japanese-Americans, was looked back on
as a mistake. It was the interment based on race and nothing else and there
was no evidence of any spying activity, etc.. by any of those interned.
I also seem to remember somthing about
I know what you mean, I have a jeep now also, I was driving a v6 honda accord
before that so my gas mileage is very close to what I was driving before. I
would not like driving a small car again. I get 19 miles a gallon with it.
Bob
I'm going through my logs for House of Fusion from last month and it's rather
interesting to see where hits are coming from. While hits center in America and
Europe (UK top), there are strong centers in India, Singapore and Turkey. There
are even hits coming from Iran, Dubai, and Saudi Arabia
Maybe you are reaching a tiny minority that doesn't hate Jewish people. You
could actually be changing hearts and minds. All in all I think it would be
healthy for people in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia to see that people
in free, democratic countries can disagree- even to the point of
Colbert did an excellent presentation at the White House Correspondents
dinner. Some of his gems include.
Mayor Nagin from the Chocoloate City is here. Welcome Mr. Nagin to
Washington D.C., the Chocolate City with the white marshmallow center
I am appaled to be surrounded by the liberal media
Or maybe reading us has convinced them that us western folk are insane. :)
Maybe you are reaching a tiny minority that doesn't hate Jewish people.
You
could actually be changing hearts and minds. All in all I think it would
be
healthy for people in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia to see
In the future, it will be House of Fusion, not Wyld Stallyns, that
brings total peace and harmony to the world.
M!ke
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From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:35 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Google Analytics
Maybe you are reaching
Excellent!
On 5/1/06, Daws wrote:
In the future, it will be House of Fusion, not Wyld Stallyns, that
brings total peace and harmony to the world.
M!ke
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Excellent!
Party on, dude!
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The cool think about the Fit is that it's been around in Europe as the
Jazz for 5 years. The model out in the US now is that model.
Ray Champagne wrote:
My advice is never buy the first year's model of any car, any time.
You'll just be Beta testing for Honda
Looks like a four door Civic with smaller wheels...
Ick..
Thanks
Scott
Scott A. Stewart
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that's funny ;-)
On 5/1/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox
I am appaled to be surrounded by the liberal media who is destroying
America...except for Fox news, they present both sides..the president's
side
and the vice presidents side
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Hard to say, because so much information is classified. We know that there
have been no further attacks in the US since 9/11, and terror cells all
around the country have been successfully detected and broken up. That's a
decent tradeoff in the short run.
Implicit is that the
Maureen wrote:
If all cars got 30 mpg, how could they pay Exxon's CEO a 400 million
dollar retirement package?
Well, just to make all you compacties feel good, I've got a small car
but it guzzles gas like it's in love with Exxon.
I get about 12-16 mpg and have to fill up every 4 or 5 days
I'm thinking of getting a Canon Elph SD600, which is really a point
and shoot digital camera. Anybody have one or know whether this is
stupid or not?
Thanks!
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Um, what kind of compact car is that?
On 5/1/06, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I get about 12-16 mpg and have to fill up every 4 or 5 days depending
on how much I drive it. A fill up is $45. Scottish Accent It
HURTS! /Scottish Accent
Um, what kind of compact car is that?
A Vroom Vroom fasty fasty one!
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I just got a new SD630 this weekend.
It is without doubt the best small digital camera I have ever seen.
I am still getting used to the lack of a viewfinder (just the lcd on
this puppy), but the images are excellent, the video is wonderful
(including the audio), and it does a much better job than
I've got the Canon SD 410 and I'm happy with it as far as going with a point
and shoot is concerned. The flash really isn't too good past 10~15 feet so
I'm having a hard time capturing my girls dance recitals. Picture quality
is excellent. The form factor is excellent since I'm more inclined to
WillBo wrote:
A Vroom Vroom fasty fasty one!
Yeah, I don't think it's considered a compact but it can barely
accomodate 4 adults, and not very comfortably, so it's a compact to
me.
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Here's a sweet comparison link for all of the competitors in this field:
http://online.wsj.com/documents/info-flash06.html?project=carCompare060304-fth=500w=780hasAd=0settings=carcompare06
The View From Planet Yaris
Toyota's Minicar Offers Glimpse of World
Of Changed Auto Habits for Americans
I have the SD 550, it's 7.1 MP, for some reason they are only making 6 MP now,
but anywhoo. It's very nice, speedy, nice screen. Just get a bad you can carry
it in for when you put it in your pocket. Just a cloth bag, nothing too bulky.
And get some plastic to cover the screen so you don't
Why - what do you want?
Cheers,
Erika
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I just can't stand the point and shoot stuff. I've been using a digital SLR
for nearly 5 years now, and just can't see it any other way.
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From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:42 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Anybody
Here's a sweet comparison link for all of the competitors in this field:
http://online.wsj.com/documents/info-flash06.html?project=carCompare060304-fth=500w=780hasAd=0settings=carcompare06
The View From Planet Yaris
Toyota's Minicar Offers Glimpse of World
Of Changed Auto Habits for Americans
Nick wrote:
I just can't stand the point and shoot stuff. I've been using a digital SLR
for nearly 5 years now, and just can't see it any other way.
Well, I've got a Canon S50 and I like it ok except for taking night
shots which you absolutely need a tripod for. That's annoying.
Anyway, I
Be excellent to each other. Heinousness is ... um .. heinous, dude.
--Ben
On 5/1/06, William Bowen wrote:
Excellent!
Party on, dude!
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will
If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable.
- Carrie Fisher
A cfmx7 based mailing list system in the vein of listserv, combined
with an integrated web-based posting and message board, with multiple
user levels, search, and customizable text and html-based email,
skinnable interface, and nice account center funtion set.
And in the four or three digit
You have failed. I hereby sentence you to watch really bad movies on
the Sattelite of Love.
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On 5/1/06, Crow T. Robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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JJ wrote:
I just got a new SD630 this weekend.
It is without doubt the best small digital camera I have ever seen.
Thanks, Jer, great feedback. I didn't even know they had a SD630.
What's the difference? I can't see any except the 630 seems to have a
black back and no viewfinder (no bigger
that movie was on the other day. I hadn't seen it in years. Still highly
entertaining, and still the best performance Keanu I'm an FBI Agent Reeves
has ever given.
Be excellent to each other. Heinousness is ... um .. heinous, dude.
--Ben
On 5/1/06, William Bowen wrote:
Excellent!
Voyager 510 for $44.99 shipped free.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009B0IX4/ref%3Dnosim/techbargainscom/002-8574518-4779223
On 4/28/06, C. Hatton Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I test drove a bunch of them and settled on the Voyager 510:
You'll have to use the LCD on this one, since there is no view finder at all.
I just upgraded from an SD100, so some of this might just be 2 years
of upgrades.
I thought the only difference was the bigger LCD (according to the guy
at Best Buy), but I am seeing much finer video, better sound,
I have both. I have a Nikon D70 to take professional photos, but the Canon to
stick in my pocket so I don't have to bring my man purse with me. Yeah it's
great to have a bag that I can carry everything in, but it's just very
inconvienient.
B
Comcast is shit. I had them when I was still in NC.
Look at getting verizon for everything. I'm getting their FiOS digital cable
and internet (15mb fiber to the curb), local and long distance phone, all for
150.
Well.. I did call them. I watched 4 shows and was charged 7.99 per show. A
BobE wrote:
so I don't have to bring my man purse with me.
It's not a purse! It's a European Carry-all.
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Between my various bags, the one I carry on trips is a Backpack, or the
rolling carry on.
I like the backpack. It hold two bodies and a couple of lenses. I have a D2x
and a D100. I'll also throw in the N90s if I'm feeling like using some slide
film.
I'll use the gadget bag for some things, but
What other route?
ALL the major carriers in the US are going to do this, your connection
must terminate or pass through their network at some point.
It REMOVES the level playing field of the internet totally. That's
what I've been trying to point out.That's what the articles point out,
that's
Now you are projecting that every major backbone provider will have
saturated bandwidth at the same time and that will prevent regular traffic
from getting through. I still contend that someone will come along to fill
the gap, because it represents an opportunity to make money by providing a
I think Gel contends, and correct me if I'm wrong, that these providers will
out right block the content.
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What other route?
ALL the major carriers in the US are going to do this, your connection must
terminate or pass through their network at some point.
It REMOVES the level playing field of the internet totally. That's what I've
been trying to point out.That's what the articles point out, that's
GG, do you wear capris too? :)
On 5/1/06, Gruss Gott wrote:
It's not a purse! It's a European Carry-all.
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My wife tried to convince me that Male Capri's were OK, and very
fashionable.
I bought three pair. Are you saying she was wrong?
Sam wrote:
GG, do you wear capris too? :)
On 5/1/06, Gruss Gott wrote:
It's not a purse! It's a European Carry-all.
That would be clearly illegal under US case law.
On 5/1/06, Nick wrote:
I think Gel contends, and correct me if I'm wrong, that these providers
will
out right block the content.
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HA HA you are t3h gh3y
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From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:48 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Anybody Into Digital Cameras?
My wife tried to convince me that Male Capri's were OK, and very
fashionable.
I bought three
On the contrary!
Bruce, Lance and Sven at the gym told me their favorite pair was the
puce colored ones. They are big and brawny and love to grunt, and
couldn't possibly be gay. Could they?
Nick McClure wrote:
HA HA you are t3h gh3y
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From: Crow T. Robot
It's not about being full or not.
It's about allowing faster access to a certain resource on the net
before another.
You attempt to access MyBookstore.com. It takes you 1 minute to
download the content.
You attempt to access Amazon.com, who have paid for service, it takes
you 10 seconds to
Is that the same Sven that is taking Ray's wife is taking to the Sox game
this weekend?
If so, only Bruce and Lance are.
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Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:54 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Anybody Into Digital Cameras?
If you live in Europe that's fine. Funny as hell watching hooligans
get all hard ass while wearing ladies pants.
On 5/1/06, Crow T. Robot wrote:
My wife tried to convince me that Male Capri's were OK, and very
fashionable.
I bought three pair. Are you saying she was wrong?
No. But I've heard Ray can tell you all about Sven.
On 5/1/06, Crow T. Robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the contrary!
Bruce, Lance and Sven at the gym told me their favorite pair was the
puce colored ones. They are big and brawny and love to grunt, and
couldn't possibly be gay. Could
That Sven sure is a playa
Nick McClure wrote:
Is that the same Sven that is taking Ray's wife is taking to the Sox game
this weekend?
If so, only Bruce and Lance are.
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Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:54 PM
To:
I've also heard that Lance's given name is George. Lance was a
nickname given to him after gym class.
On 5/1/06, Crow T. Robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That Sven sure is a playa
Nick McClure wrote:
Is that the same Sven that is taking Ray's wife is taking to the Sox game
this weekend?
Once you accept that there is an advantage, ANY advantage that this creates for
those Rich Corporations that can afford to pay, then you must also accept that
this disastrously alters the free and level internet where once you pay for
your bandwidth you have just as much service on a network
Gruss,
This was timely: the Cnet daily email:
Which Elph? Choosing the right Canon ultracompact camera
You've got your heart set on one of Canon's sleek little snapshooters.
They all seem frighteningly similar, though--how do you choose among
them? Maybe we can help.
Which Elph? Choosing the
First of all, there is no equality on the Net. I can go to Verizon or Level3
and pay them gobs of money and get more bandwidth than the little guys. The
only change I perceive is the possibility that you would have to pay for a
ceiling as well as a floor, but even then, most ISPs already have a
http://shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html
Now all I need is for you guys to get into a heated political debate!
I doubt the wait will be long. :-)
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in theory, there is no difference.
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Nope, you guys are not understanding what they are talking about.
Currently, the entire basis of the internet, and the basic
underpinning of TCPIP is that all packets are treated equally. They
are passed from here to there without regard to where it came from,
and with no preferential treatment
That's awesome! I wonder, can you do combinations? Like, Your signature is
stupid. Oh damn, I'm sorry, I have typist's Turets. I didn't mean that.
On 5/1/06, Ben wrote:
http://shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html
Now all I need is for you guys to get into a heated political debate!
I doubt the
If the pipe ain't full then it won't matter.
They would have to be overtly shaping the non payers down. Which isn't
part of the proposal. You are suggesting that on an empty pipe they
throttle connections?
That is just silly, TCP/IP doesn't work that way.
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This is akin to the USPS, DHL, and Fedex providing a service. A package gets
sent out from Woot to my house. But when they get into my town, the post office
decides that, unless woot pays extra, the package will get put in a whenever
we feel like delivering it bin, even though I paid for
But neither TCP or UDP work that way.
Are you saying that Verizon, a company that I don't use, and the site
I'm trying to get to doesn't use, but sometimes my route to that site
goes through verizon, has put in place a traffic shaping system that
reads the destination, and changes its route mode
I think I understand perfectly. Here is the key phrase: if there are a lot
of high-priority
packets to be delivered. So if bandwidth is saturated, lower priority
content gets put in the low-priority queue. Companies do this internally
with Internet-based WANs all the time. Does it make some things
RC is dead. Long live Crow!
Jerry Johnson wrote:
No. But I've heard Ray can tell you all about Sven.
On 5/1/06, Crow T. Robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the contrary!
Bruce, Lance and Sven at the gym told me their favorite pair was the
puce colored ones. They are big and brawny and
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