Anecdotal evidence is worthless.
It always is when you're on the opposite side of the argument.
Somehow, it isn't when it supports something you believe in. The left
still believe Gore won FL even though they can't prove it.
It would be interesting if Romney wins OH or PA due to supposed
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-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 6:47 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Super Storm Sandy
Anecdotal evidence
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Anecdotal evidence is worthless.
It always is when you're on the opposite side of the argument.
Anecdotal evidence is always worthless. Always.
Somehow, it isn't when it supports something you believe in. The left
06, 2012 7:37 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Super Storm Sandy
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Anecdotal evidence is worthless.
It always is when you're on the opposite side of the argument.
Anecdotal evidence is always worthless. Always.
Somehow
In other words you do not have any evidence and you do not know where
to find it.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
I suppose you have statistics regarding those who have been convicted of
voter
fraud that back this up? Not accused, because anyone can
Anecdotal evidence isn't worth the paper its written on.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:
Anecdotal evidence is worthless.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:06 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
Yup, anecdotally I can simply point to the machines of
FWIW the republicans are already alleging voter fraud:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/schlafly-and-allies-prepare-blame-election-loss-voter-fraud
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Anecdotal evidence isn't worth the paper its written on.
On
Anecdotal evidence is always worthless. Always.
Until it suits your purpose.
And the right still believes there is some bearded guy in the sky guiding our
destiny but they can't prove it
No one on the left believes in this? You have a hidden prejudice here?
Are all leftists godless?
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Anecdotal evidence is always worthless. Always.
Until it suits your purpose.
What part of 'always useless' are you unable or unwilling to comprehend
And the right still believes there is some bearded guy in the
What part of 'always useless' are you unable or unwilling to comprehend
The part you left out, which is ... until it suits my need..
I did not say that, and you know it. Nice red herring.
I can only go by what you wrote.
You basically said the left is godless. You are entitled to your
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
What part of 'always useless' are you unable or unwilling to comprehend
The part you left out, which is ... until it suits my need..
I said, it is always worthless Always. Stop trying to read into something
as
You did mention it. Funny how you see things I did not write, but cannot
see things that you did.
Let's use the wayback machine.
You said the following:
Wow...now you are starting to make excuses for both sides. If I did not know
better, I might think you aluminum hat is on a bit too tight.
Here are a few
http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA642.html
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On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:
While interesting, it neither supports or rebuts Jerry's statement that
more Democrats than Republicans commit voter fraud.
I suspect I'll be waiting a while
I suspect I'll be waiting a while for proof of that allegation...like
forever.
Like I said before, it depends on what you want as proof. What are your
criteria?
In terms of pure volume of election fraud, Democratic misconduct dwarfs
republican misconduct. This includes official legal charges.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
You should check out the project I linked to:
http://voter-fraud.blogspot.com/. It is still a work in progress and I
would be glad to add any articles you can find regardless of party.
I chuckled a little that one
I chuckled a little that one source you want people to look at to help prove
your point is a web site that you manage.
Did you even look at the site?
I said it a little project I am working on. I use it as a place to keep
notes. I include election fraud, intimidation, democrats, republicans,
I was not laughing at voter fraud, nor was I chuckling at your project (I
did read through several, but not all, of the articles).
What stuck me as funny was the overall sentiment of 'I believe X. If you
do not agree, check out this web site (which I operate) for more
information.'
I do not
Agreed, I was just speculating, but I would not be surprised.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote:
Well there have been several cases of Republican inspired voter fraud,
such as the
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 11:38 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Super Storm Sandy
I was not laughing at voter fraud, nor was I chuckling at your project (I
did read through several, but not all, of the articles
Numbers of convictions by political party from a trustworthy source, like
the judicial system. Not spin or speculation.
You made a flat statement that Democrats commit voter fraud more often than
Republicans. In order to make that statement, surely you have hard numbers
to support it.
On Mon,
The fact that you ask for me to specifically supply you with links to
'Republican
voter fraud' could also lead one to perceive that either a) you do not
believe such fraud is perpetrated by Republicans or 2) that you won't go
seek such information on your own.
Geeze. I have some posts about
You made a flat statement that Democrats commit voter fraud more often
than Republicans.
That's because they do.
In order to make that statement, surely you have hard numbers to support
it.
In order to make that statement, I don't need hard numbers. I can use
inductive reasoning. Certainly,
Yup, anecdotally I can simply point to the machines of Chicago, or
Louisiana or NC or other and you see it obviously.
On Nov 5, 2012 10:04 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
You made a flat statement that Democrats commit voter fraud more often
than Republicans.
That's because they
Anecdotal evidence is worthless.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:06 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
Yup, anecdotally I can simply point to the machines of Chicago, or
Louisiana or NC or other and you see it obviously.
~|
Interesting thread:
http://www.armyparatrooper.org/dropzone/showthread.php/33181-Another-Conspiracy-From-a-Tin-Foil-Hat-Wearer/page4?highlight=voter+fraud
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:
Anecdotal evidence is worthless.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:06 PM,
Also, I disagree, we make most of our decisions based off of our education
and our environmental history.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:32 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting thread:
Where are they not doing their job?
The question is: Where are they doing their job?
The answer: no where.
Running out of water? Just like the White House, it's amateur hour.
Then you have the idiot Bloomberg who won't let the National Guard in.
Elections have consequences. New Yorkers,
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Christie is pandering for money. It was a just in case move just in
case enough voting machine switch Romney votes for Obama to win.
Laying the conspiracy ground work in case Gov. Romney loses?
--
Scott Stroz
So Scott, u gonna start a riot if Bama loses?
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On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
Laying the conspiracy ground work in case Gov. Romney loses?
~|
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Why would you think that?
I am not a rabid fan if Pres. Obama, I just happen to think he is the best
of the bad choices - just like every other presidential election since I
have been voting.
I think I am one of the few Americans who thinks, regardless of who wins,
we are NOT doomed.
On Nov 4,
Laying the conspiracy ground work in case Gov. Romney loses?
Election fraud is the only way it'll happen.
Six states so far reporting the vote swapping: NC, KS, CO, NV, OH, and MS.
Wanna guess which way the votes always seem to switch?
Other incidents have happened as well. NC has 758 people
I just love people who are certain their guy is going to win when it's too
close right now. Though you already have a 'defense' in case Gov. Romney
does lose - voter fraud
Also love how you naturally assume voter fraud is being perpetuated by
Democrats - similarly to how some of our more liberal
Messing with you since you seem to be implying Obama's going to win
and if he has to cheat to get there, then the people complaining can
go suck it.
What's your thought on the threats of riots or that ass on hbo that
says blacks are going to get you if you vote for Romney.
Sad state of affairs
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Messing with you since you seem to be implying Obama's going to win
and if he has to cheat to get there, then the people complaining can
go suck it.
It's just as bad on republican side with robo calls going out to people in
Ah, you did. My poor speed reading skills changed even going so far
as to endorse him to almost...
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On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
I specifically mentioned that above.
I figured we'd be on the same page on this.
What have I said that implies I think Pres. Obama will win? I have made no
such claims, I think it's way too close for either side to make such claims.
As for the threats if violence? Anyone making those threats are assholes
who really should not be listened to. Are such threats illegal? Would
I still can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to vote for her.
.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
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On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Messing with you since you seem to be implying
I just love people who are certain their guy is going to win when
it's too close
right now. Though you already have a 'defense' in case Gov. Romney does
lose - voter fraud
I know I have told you this before: Romney is not my guy. I voted for
Gary Johnson.
J
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Ninety percent of politicians
I think you know what I meant, but, in the interest if clarity:
I just love people who are certain anyone is going to win when it's so
close.
Better?
On Nov 4, 2012 3:35 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
I just love people who are certain their guy is going to win when
it's too
I have, luckily, not gotten a single robo-call from any candidate for any
office regardless of party affiliation.
On Nov 4, 2012 3:29 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Messing with
Actually, Redskins losing big at home late in the game. That bodes well for
Gov. Romney. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskins_Rule
On Nov 4, 2012 3:27 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Messing with you since you seem to be implying Obama's going to win
and if he has to cheat to get there,
I think you know what I meant, but, in the interest if clarity:
I thought I knew what you meant. It was what you wrote and I responded to.
It said that I was laying the groundwork for accusations of fraud if my
candidate of choice lost. If Gary Johnson loses, I will not blame his loss
on
I did not say you would blame voter fraud if Gary Johnson lost, I said you
will blame voter fraud if Gov. Romney loses.
On Nov 4, 2012 3:54 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you know what I meant, but, in the interest if clarity:
I thought I knew what you meant. It was
I did not say you would blame voter fraud if Gary Johnson lost, I said you
will blame voter fraud if Gov. Romney loses.
You said if my guy lost. Romney is not my guy. Is he better than Obama?
Certainly. That's not exactly hard to accomplish though. Pick a name
from any phone book and
Go back and read what I wrote, I said :
Though you already have a 'defense' in case Gov. Romney does lose - voter
fraud
On Nov 4, 2012 6:38 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
I did not say you would blame voter fraud if Gary Johnson lost, I said you
will blame voter fraud if Gov.
Murdock has already stated that if Chris Christie doesn't re-endorse
Romney, they are going to blame Romney's loss on him. Looks like they are
getting their excuses and scapegoats lined up. Kinda strange for a bunch
that is insisting their guy is gonna win. I guess we can look forward to
four
Go back and read what I wrote, I said :
Okay. Here it is:
I just love people who are certain their guy is going to win when
it's too close
right now. Though you already have a 'defense' in case Gov. Romney
does lose - voter fraud
I didn't address this either:
Also love how you naturally
I suppose you have statistics regarding those who have been convicted of
voter fraud that back this up? Not accused, because anyone can do the
accusing, as you are going here, but convicted. Because otherwise, that
whole innocent until PROVEN guilty thing kicks in.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 5:15
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess we can look forward to
four more years of whining. Bottom line is that they have no one to blame
but themselves if they lose.
the country will do exactly what it was doing 4 years ago and 4 years from
now...
I suppose you have statistics regarding those who have been convicted of voter
fraud that back this up? Not accused, because anyone can do the accusing,
as you are going here, but convicted. Because otherwise, that whole
innocent until PROVEN guilty thing kicks in.
What kind of statistics?
Why
Illuminati for the win in every election...
Illuminati FTW.
I love it.
Maybe true if you consider Democrats and Republicans two arms of the same
party.
J
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Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder
respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
Statistics that show how many Democrats have been convicted of voter fraud
versus how many Republicans. You know, facts that would back up your
assertions.
Accusations of voter fraud are never acceptable unless they are backed up
by legal action. Otherwise they are simply someone running off
More like two puppets whose strings are being pulled by the same masters.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe true if you consider Democrats and Republicans two arms of the same
party.
Statistics that show how many Democrats have been convicted of voter
fraud versus
how many Republicans. You know, facts that would back up your assertions.
Convictions don't always tell the story. I know of a case of voter fraud
by two democrats who plea bargained out of the conviction.
Well there have been several cases of Republican inspired voter fraud,
such as the Republican party operative caught discarding voter
registration forms in Virginia, any bets that since you have to select
a party on registration, on how many of those listed a democratic
party affiliation?
We did a count today, from 9am to 6pm there was about a call every 46
minutest to one an hour. Of that there was one democratic party call,
in person. The rest were republican oriented robocalls. And most were
very brazen in their lies. Quite insulting.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Scott
Convictions don't always tell the story. I know of a case of voter fraud
by two democrats who plea bargained out of the conviction.
Actually, I know of another case where the elected official was removed for
office, agreed to pay a huge fine in exchange for no charges. He is
running again and
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Go back and read what I wrote, I said :
Okay. Here it is:
I just love people who are certain their guy is going to win when
it's too close
right now. Though you already have a 'defense' in case Gov. Romney
does
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote:
Well there have been several cases of Republican inspired voter fraud,
such as the Republican party operative caught discarding voter
registration forms in Virginia, any bets that since you have to select
a party on
Jerry - still anecdotal, at best.
Also, you are right, convictions won;t tell the whole story, but I think it
is a bit naive to think (and eve worse to imply) that examples such as
these (no convictions) would be limited to cases where the perpetrator was
a Democrat.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at
That seems like anecdotal, at best. I am sure you have sources for those
'statistics'?
As stated before, statistics don't tell the whole story.
You can't just go by convictions. You have to go by convictions, plea
bargains, people who resign from their postions, firings, and so on.
Then you
While interesting, it neither supports or rebuts Jerry's statement that
more Democrats than Republicans commit voter fraud.
I suspect I'll be waiting a while for proof of that allegation...like
forever.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote:
Well there
Apparently, the praise for the government's response to Hurricane Sandy was
a little premature. In particular, FEMA seems to be incapable of doing its
job (where's the FEMA corp?).
Things are going bad in parts of New York. I am waiting for the media
outrage I saw when Katrina hit. Any chance
Where are they not doing their job?
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Apparently, the praise for the government's response to Hurricane Sandy was
a little premature. In particular, FEMA seems to be incapable of doing its
job (where's the FEMA corp?).
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Apparently, the praise for the government's response to Hurricane Sandy was
a little premature. In particular, FEMA seems to be incapable of doing its
job (where's the FEMA corp?).
Things are going bad in parts of New
I'm talking about selling out to the Obama campaign and totally pandering to
a man he is supposed to be ideologically opposed to, even going so far as
to endorse him.
Christie is pandering for money. It was a just in case move just in
case enough voting machine switch Romney votes for Obama to
I just heard Christie actually endorsed Obama. That changes my
opinion. He's a corrupt asshole.
The day after Obama commits the fed to paying 100% of storm rebuilding
costs, as apposed to the standard 70%, Bloomberg and Christie endorse
him. That's a payoff. Worse is, if Christie held out another
I specifically mentioned that above.
I figured we'd be on the same page on this.
On Nov 3, 2012 10:56 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
I just heard Christie actually endorsed Obama. That changes my
opinion. He's a corrupt asshole.
The day after Obama commits the fed to paying 100% of
Christie endorsed Mitt Romney in October, 2011. He has not endorsed Obama,
simply spoke highly of Obama's handling of the relief effort. No payoff
there.
Rupert Murdoch, however, tweeted that if Christie does not re-endorse
Romney, he will get the blame for the Republican loss dumped on his
First responders, ER personnel, cops, soldiers, the class that are the real
servants of the people...
We regularly do and see things that are not within the norm for the vast
majority, and it leaves it's mark. However, usually the choice to fulfill
one of these roles is motivated by things
The fuel shortages are because many stations have no power to run the
pumps. Not sure why they can't get generators. I know Bloomy has
several massive generators on the side waiting for the f'n marathon.
I'm a Freeport boy myself. They got hit pretty hard.
.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:59 PM, LRS
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
This may sound odd (and admittedly even a bit selfish), but when I watch
the news or see pictures of the aftermath of the storm, I feel as if part
of my life has been ripped away from me - leaving me with kind of an empty
That marathon shit is pissing me off. total misuse of emergency equipment
during a time of very real need.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
The fuel shortages are because many stations have no power to run the
pumps. Not sure why they can't get generators. I
So Sam, I want to hear your opinion on something I think we might actually
both agree about, Gov. Christie's recent actions, how do you feel about
them?
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
That marathon shit is pissing me off. total misuse of emergency equipment
Aye...I also think the Giants/Steelers football game should be postponed or
moved for the same reasons (and I am an avid Giants fan).
In the wake of Katrina, they moved the Saints/Giants game to Giants
Stadium, I see no reason why they can't move this one to Heinz Field.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at
My mom told me that some gas stations are only selling gas to people with
gas cans for generators (no pulling up to your car to fill up).
Of course, nothing is to stop them from filling up the car with those cans,
but I like the sentiment.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Sam
Not sure. You talking about the football game? Sounds like it won't
use needed resources and will entertain people for a few hours. Not
everyone is volunteering and may get stir crazy.
.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:34 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
So Sam, I want to hear your opinion on
I'm talking about selling out to the Obama campaign and totally pandering
to a man he is supposed to be ideologically opposed to, even going so far
as to endorse him.
Powell and Rice too, man your team is really falling to shit behind
Mittens, no one wants that guy, at least the lefties like
I've also got some friends in dirty jersey through the music scene and
shit. They are saying Little Ferry is really bad, his uncles house is
gone, another's 65 stang is still under water, house screwed.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/shocking-before-after-photos-of-hurricane-sandy
On Fri, Nov
The LES is screwed too I hear.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:08 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
I've also got some friends in dirty jersey through the music scene and
shit. They are saying Little Ferry is really bad, his uncles house is
gone, another's 65 stang is still under water,
I was referring to the football game.
Last I heard, they still did not have power at the stadium, and getting it
working will use resources that could maybe be used elsewhere. Also,
before, during and after the game there will be a need
for emergency workers (police, fire EMS).
I understand
Here is my take on it.
Christie, (not so) secretly wants Pres.Obama to get re-elected. That sets
him up for a run in 2016. If Gov. Romney wins, that makes it less likely he
has a shot in 2016.
While I applaud what he has done so far (and I never liked the guy), I
don;t think his recent actions
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:46 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm talking about selling out to the Obama campaign and totally pandering
to a man he is supposed to be ideologically opposed to, even going so far
as to endorse him.
When you are in a crisis you need to step above the fray.
Hey, anyone that can make political points BY doing the right thing is
the good kind of politician.
And I don't think he has either sold out or pandered.
From here, he is acting like a Governor of a desperately hard hit
state doing his best to get fast and effective help for his people.
He is
If so that would not be good. I just read a blurb about it.
.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
I was referring to the football game.
Last I heard, they still did not have power at the stadium, and getting it
working will use resources that could maybe be
Could be right. I never had love for the man.
.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
Here is my take on it.
Christie, (not so) secretly wants Pres.Obama to get re-elected. That sets
him up for a run in 2016. If Gov. Romney wins, that makes it less likely he
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