Sorry, I'm late to the party. I wasn't talking about this particular kid but
AQ in general. I assume I do not need to provide links to their activities
in Iraq and Afghanistan, as we have spent the last several years discussing
those events.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Dana wrote:
> bombs in
Forgot about that, thx.
>The U.S. and Canada have a status of forces, and shared forces
>agreement, allowing citizens of either to join the military of the other.
>
>Larry Lyons wrote:
>>
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Yeah, so does my baby brother, but that doesn't mean he is old enough
to remember the release of the Pentagon Papers or the ramifications of
the government action.
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> uh-- I don't think Bruce is all that young. Seems to me he has a
> t
yeah well he doesn't make the most appealing poster child so it's easy
to understand their inclination to do nothing. He is still however a
child, caught up in a system most people consider kafkaesque.
By the way, I see all the other answers but it's gotten kinda busy
over here. Later on those.
O
The U.S. and Canada have a status of forces, and shared forces
agreement, allowing citizens of either to join the military of the other.
Larry Lyons wrote:
>> 1. I carry weapons in a war zone when I am there as a LEGAL combatant.
>>Not some 14 year old kid, with no uniform, fighting against
>1. I carry weapons in a war zone when I am there as a LEGAL combatant.
>Not some 14 year old kid, with no uniform, fighting against an ally
>of his supposed country (Canada right?). So will/should he be tried for
>treason in Canadian courts, especially seeing that Canadian soldiers are
>
>bombs in schools? cutting off children's heads for disobedience? Um.
>Links please.
BTW there are plenty of cases in Kandehar and Helmund provinces where the
taliban have blown up schools and executed teachers by beheading. I haven't
heard about kids getting executed that way though.
>The main cluster bomb system dropped things that look like balls, not
>sure how they would have changed the though. As far as I'm aware most
>of our munitions have a period after which they self destruct.
>
>The soviets had a similar system that dropped little toe popper mines
>that looked lik
>Didn?t we stop that particular cluster bomb, I remember seeing something
>about clusters that looked like food packs, and someone at the Pentagon
>actually being pretty pissed off about it, and demanding that we (the
>contractor that built the munitions system) change the look of the device so
>th
The main cluster bomb system dropped things that look like balls, not
sure how they would have changed the though. As far as I'm aware most
of our munitions have a period after which they self destruct.
The soviets had a similar system that dropped little toe popper mines
that looked like butt
I may conflated two stories here, the Canadian Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs putting the US on the torture watch list and the Khadr case. My
apologies.
But I'll dig some more and see what I can find.
>I don't know about the Canadian gov'ts investigation and would like to
>read up on i
No I meant that individuals from those countries have been caught
fighting with insurgents in both Af and Iraq.
Larry Lyons wrote:
> Remember we're fighting a counter insurgency war, its the perception that's
> key here. It doesn't matter if Abu Garab was an isolated incident or part of
> a
Remember we're fighting a counter insurgency war, its the perception that's key
here. It doesn't matter if Abu Garab was an isolated incident or part of a
planned systematic effort. Its how the propagandists present the incidents.
That's one area where we're losing and badly.
Also you're mixed
>Thank you.
>
>Jeebuz. I thought I was loosing my mind, I figured if ever there was a
>cut and dry case this one was it.
>
>I know there are others that are more in the gray area, especially if
>you bring in rendition and so forth, but this one...
>
>I figure if Larry agrees, I'm on firm mora
Ok, whats with the white thing?
There are plenty of non-white citizens in the U.S., why turn this into a
race thing when it isn't. Iranians are white, Chechen's, Kosovars, all
of whom have been caught fighting against us, and received the same
treatment.
Civilian court decisions in the US hav
Subject: Re: obama and iraq
>This is the basic problem with the Left- a total inability to understand
>that people who plant bombs in schools and mosques and cut off children's
>heads for disobedience are evil.
>
Is that any worse that dumping millions of cluster bombs (the submu
>The manner in which we take care of our own.
>
>Thats it for me.
>
>All those pretty little rights, the limits on government, those are for
>citizens.
What about the Geneva Conventions, or international law, or even the US courts
that have said time and time again that foreigners have most of t
Thank you.
Jeebuz. I thought I was loosing my mind, I figured if ever there was a
cut and dry case this one was it.
I know there are others that are more in the gray area, especially if
you bring in rendition and so forth, but this one...
I figure if Larry agrees, I'm on firm moral ground
In the US we try 14 year olds that commit murder as adults all the time,
why should he get special treatment?
Just once I'd like to see you side with OUR nation, oh wait, it's not
OUR nation is it?
Dana wrote:
> the family, yes, comes back to the family, doesn't it. No question
> this family kn
Once again you misquote the case.
His trial was originally thrown out as a determination of legal or
illegal status hadn't been made.
Since then he has been found to be an ILLEGAL COMBATANT.
We have not refused him medical care, only outside medical care. What
does starvation have to do with
>This is the basic problem with the Left- a total inability to understand
>that people who plant bombs in schools and mosques and cut off children's
>heads for disobedience are evil.
>
Is that any worse that dumping millions of cluster bombs (the submunitions look
like playtoys btw) in civilian
yes to the hand grenade, overed this a little further down the thread.
I don't think much of the family either but nonetheless -- you can't
just say "we are feeding him, so he has nothing to complain about."
Essentially this kid was a child soldier, is what it boils down to imho.
On Mon, Mar 3,
Except that the kid is an admitted terrorist. What gets me is that the family
immigrated to Canada and then immediately went on welfare. Shortly after the
father and the two oldest boys went to Afghanistan for jihad. The father was a
higher up in the Al-queda, and the two teenagers were foot sol
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:16 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. I carry weapons in a war zone when I am there as a LEGAL combatant.
>Not some 14 year old kid, with no uniform, fighting against an ally
> of his supposed country (Canada right?). So will/should he be tried for
> treason i
the family, yes, comes back to the family, doesn't it. No question
this family knows something about al-Qaeda. Sure. Nonetheless, there
are real questions about how much choice this kid actually had, and
his own strategic value. But hey, if you are going to defend the
mestreatment of children, ther
bombs in schools? cutting off children's heads for disobedience? Um.
Links please.
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is the basic problem with the Left- a total inability to understand
> that people who plant bombs in schools and mosques and cut off chil
it was the number 2 result if you google his name. And the medical
journal seemed like an apolitical choice. That's all.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After doing another search just on his name, I find it funny that you
> plucked one article, from a medical s
Well *he* says he's been tortured. And I am not sure that the fact
that we are feeding him makes up for keeping him in a cage and
refusing to provide him with medical attention. This is a Canadian,
not someone who was in danger of starving to death, tho I am not sure
the argument holds even then.
After doing another search just on his name, I find it funny that you
plucked one article, from a medical source not a news source, to back
your point.
Even the wikipedia article, which his family is taking part in the
editing, shows him to be a terrorist and a killer.
Dana wrote:
> wow. You c
1. I carry weapons in a war zone when I am there as a LEGAL combatant.
Not some 14 year old kid, with no uniform, fighting against an ally
of his supposed country (Canada right?). So will/should he be tried for
treason in Canadian courts, especially seeing that Canadian soldiers are
fight
The manner in which we take care of our own.
Thats it for me.
All those pretty little rights, the limits on government, those are for
citizens.
What we do in defense of nation is and always has been separated from
that, why do you think we have to sign our rights away when we join?
Also, this
This is the basic problem with the Left- a total inability to understand
that people who plant bombs in schools and mosques and cut off children's
heads for disobedience are evil.
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Dana wrote:
> ok. So the difference between the good and the bad guys is what again
ok. So the difference between the good and the bad guys is what again exactly?
On 3/2/08, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thems the breaks, tough shit.
>
> If I am captured I will be tortured, an most likely have my head cut off.
>
> I wouldn't send my son's to do that at 14.
>
> Cry me a rive
uh-- I don't think Bruce is all that young. Seems to me he has a
teenaged daughter.
On 3/2/08, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They may be honest, but they strike me as uninformed, probably due to
> age. Thinking that the release of the Pentagon Papers was a "bad
> thing" shows an abysmal la
They may be honest, but they strike me as uninformed, probably due to
age. Thinking that the release of the Pentagon Papers was a "bad
thing" shows an abysmal lack of knowledge about exactly what happened
in Vietnam.
The media not did start, fight or lose the Vietnam war or the Iraq
war. Those i
Thems the breaks, tough shit.
If I am captured I will be tortured, an most likely have my head cut off.
I wouldn't send my son's to do that at 14.
Cry me a river.
Dana wrote:
> wow. You carry weapons don't you? People do that quite a bit in war zones?
>
> I am sorry, but I can't get past the n
wow. You carry weapons don't you? People do that quite a bit in war zones?
I am sorry, but I can't get past the notion that here is a Canadian
citizen who has been held incommunicado for five years. And he's what,
18? Now? If he did throw the rock, perhaps he should have been treated
as a child so
He was caught throwing the rock, after which he admitted to carrying
weapons and killing Americans.
Not the same thing Dana, tell the rest of the story.
Dana wrote:
> There is a Canadian teenager who has been in Guantanamo for six years
> for throwing a rock at a soldier in Afghanistan. I don't
There is a Canadian teenager who has been in Guantanamo for six years
for throwing a rock at a soldier in Afghanistan. I don't condone
throwing rocks at soldiers, but that seems little disproportionate,
esp since the soldier was not injured. I worry about a system that
labels children who think the
I agree. Some of Bruce's opinion scare the hell out of me but I think
they are honest beliefs. He has also shown from time to time a
willingness to re-examine them, which is the most important thing
imho.
Still Bruce trade freedom from the govrenment for safety? That
only works if the governme
yay :)
On 3/1/08, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> just voted here in ohio
> obama!
>
>
>
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On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Guss wrote:
>
> Here's the part that's interesting: it takes someone truly exceptional
> to simultaneously defend liberty and practice it. Sounds easy on the
> surface, though.
Nature abhors a hero... =]
~~~
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You are right. If it were for money I would NOT be going back into the
> Army. As Loathe can attest, they don't offer the best pay. I do it out
> of duty, pride and love of my country, and I am willing to tolerate
> certai
>> I mean, I like the guy too, but "shining city on the hill"
>
>Isn't that a Reagan-ism?
At least Ronnie Raygun had senility as an excuse.
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> Bruce wrote:
> I just want to serve and be the best soldier I can be.
>
just because it's Friday ...
(1.) Here's the thing: democracy must be defended or it doesn't exist.
But, imo, "government" threatens democracy. It's a fine line.
(2.) I'm guessing most, if not 99.% of people, don't
> tBone wrote:
> Stop labeling ALL agents of the state that way, remember, I am one, and
> don't support these types of programs. Especially against American citizens.
>
Here's the part that's interesting: it takes someone truly exceptional
to simultaneously defend liberty and practice it. Sou
You are right. If it were for money I would NOT be going back into the
Army. As Loathe can attest, they don't offer the best pay. I do it out
of duty, pride and love of my country, and I am willing to tolerate
certain things to ensure that my country is safe, even if some deem it
unconstitution
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > WillBo wrote:
> > After all, why should a thing like evidence of a crime get in the way
> > of a good old fashioned prosecution and conviction, eh?
> >
>
> Dude. The Gov'ment signs his paychecks.
>
> Whose side do yo
Now ask me.
I know where the pvc pipes are buried.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> WillBo wrote:
>> After all, why should a thing like evidence of a crime get in the way
>> of a good old fashioned prosecution and conviction, eh?
>>
>
> Dude. The Gov'ment signs his paychecks.
>
> Whose side do you think
There is something dagerous about that line of thought.
Stop labeling ALL agents of the state that way, remember, I am one, and
don't support these types of programs. Especially against American citizens.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Todd wrote:
>> There is something unsettling to me about this way of t
> Dude. The Gov'ment signs his paychecks.
yeah, I guess that makes it easier... still doesn't make it right.
> Whose side do you think he'll take: the citizen's or the authority's?
I would hope the former, but expect the latter. Though, truth be told,
the former pays for the latter...
--
w
> gg wrote:
> Here's my breakdown:
>
Favorite daily radio show (besides NPR):
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> WillBo wrote:
> After all, why should a thing like evidence of a crime get in the way
> of a good old fashioned prosecution and conviction, eh?
>
Dude. The Gov'ment signs his paychecks.
Whose side do you think he'll take: the citizen's or the authority's?
~~~
> Again the only people that I see whose civil liberties are being
> violated are the ones who are doing something wrong,
> and at that point
> you forfeit these liberties.
After all, why should a thing like evidence of a crime get in the way
of a good old fashioned prosecution and conviction, eh
> Bruce wrote:
> Now that's funny.
>
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Now that's funny.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Bruce is an agent of the government. He's, by definition,
> authoritarian. He is, therefore, The Man.
>
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> Todd wrote:
> There is something unsettling to me about this way of thinking. It seems ..
> dangerous.
>
Bruce is an agent of the government. He's, by definition,
authoritarian. He is, therefore, The Man.
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> gg wrote:
> (ps. actually you'd be reactionary, but I was making a point)
>
btw - as in authoritarian reactionaries. Like in The Big Lebowski:
---
Maude Lebowski: Now, what happened to your face? Did Jackie Treehorn
do that as well?
The Dude: Ah, no that was the chief of pol
There is something unsettling to me about this way of thinking. It seems ..
dangerous.
- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Sorge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: obama and iraq
> Again the only
> gg wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> > Again the only people that I see whose civil liberties are being
> > violated are the ones who are doing something wrong,
>
> If you believe this then you are a liberal.
>
(ps. actually you'd be reactionary, but I was making a point)
~
> Bruce wrote:
> Again the only people that I see whose civil liberties are being
> violated are the ones who are doing something wrong,
If you believe this then you are a liberal.
The government should know nothing about my daily life and have zero
powers to intrude on it. If they think I've d
Again the only people that I see whose civil liberties are being
violated are the ones who are doing something wrong, and at that point
you forfeit these liberties. I believe that the intent of this whole
thing is to speed up the investigative process and not mire it up
waiting for some judge o
> gMoney wrote:
> And his website sucks! This isn't 1997 anymore.
>
Sam will be shocked, but Drudge is my daily site. I like the
google-like simpleness of it and he's always got a good choice of
stories I like. If anyone knows of something similar or better, let
me know!
Here's my breakdow
Agreed.
I don't necessarily like all the guys political ideas, but I think he
can turn around our world image.
I'd like to see the mess in Iraq turn into something like the MFO in Sinai.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Billy wrote:
>> This is true, but the reason isn't even in Iraq, it's in Iran. A US pul
Even if I did have links that showed tactical deployments I certainly
wouldn't post them in public.
Suffice it to say you can search on PRT or Patrol Iraq and find out
thats simply not true.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> tBone wrote:
>> The civil strife and the civilian casualties would prohibit that.
> Denny wrote:
> "Mommy, should I trust the government?"
>
Hello Dennis. Please walk this way with me. I'm from the government
and I'm here to help you.
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I don't know the book, but answers like this scare the hell out of
*me*... why is it that people who are in favor of de-funding the
government also favor turning our civil liberties over to its tender
mercies?
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:05 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bruce, you may enj
Bruce, you may enjoy the book "Boyd", by Robert Coram.
For a Different Spin on the pentagon, and leaks and whatnot.
FWIW, I'm horribly frightened whenever I hear "yes" as the answer to
this question:
"Mommy, should I trust the government?"
--
"No"
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Bruce Sorge <
William Bowen wrote:
>
> The NYT reports that the US Government (contrary to public statements)
> is expanding the war in Vietnam and has proof. and that's
> irresponsible journalism?
>
And what was wrong with that? OK, another broken promise by the
President but so what? Happens all the time.
> Publishing articles on the Pentagon Papers during the Vietnam War.
The NYT reports that the US Government (contrary to public statements)
is expanding the war in Vietnam and has proof. and that's
irresponsible journalism?
> Exposing that the Treasury Department is monitoring terror funding
>
Other instances of the Times' irresponsible reporting:
Publishing articles on the Pentagon Papers during the Vietnam War.
Exposing that the Treasury Department is monitoring terror funding
(Terrorist Finance Tracking Program).
Reporting that Pres. Bush authorize the NSA to eavesdrop on Americans
McCain is running for president. He has made himself a public figure
and has no reason to whine about people publicizing his affairs,
especially since they do raise a question about his judgment. So
whether the allegation is true or not, there is a legitimate public
policy argument to be made for r
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I never said I wasn't. This was totally irresponsible of them and they
> should be admonished. Brittan has long been a trustworthy ally and crap
> like this does not help. I just figured that if someone were going to
> bash
-Community
Subject: Re: obama and iraq
I have to say, I really don't see what the public interest is that
would justify that leak. It's simple irresponsible sensationalism.
Ratings fever.
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:29 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Given that The Drud
I checked the site out once. Never really interested me.
G Money wrote:
>
> I wasn't surprised at all that Drudge, the little weasel, was responsible
> for this. I've always hated that guy.
>
> And his website sucks! This isn't 1997 anymore
~~
I never said I wasn't. This was totally irresponsible of them and they
should be admonished. Brittan has long been a trustworthy ally and crap
like this does not help. I just figured that if someone were going to
bash one news outlet, let's get all the players involved, especially the
big ones
No. She was talking about irresponsible sensationalism. I was
*comparing* the two. Follow the bouncing ball.
William Bowen wrote:
>
> So wait, Drudge breaks the story on the Prince's location in a combat
> zone and the Times should get the blame?
>
>
~
>> Like the Times?
>
>So wait, Drudge breaks the story on the Prince's location in a combat
>zone and the Times should get the blame?
Of course they should they're an evil liberal newspaper while Drudge (despite
behing a slimy type who has little or no journalistic ethics or standards) gets
a fr
>I never said there was some dark agenda. I am saying this is but one of
>many. Mind you conservatives have an agenda too, but they don't get a
>fair shake with the media to promote is like liberals do. Everyone knows
>this to be true. Am I wrong?
>
Completely, look at the two largest media com
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I surprised you're not outraged at Drudge putting soldiers lives at
> risk for no reason.
>
I wasn't surprised at all that Drudge, the little weasel, was responsible
for this. I've always hated that guy.
And his website suc
> Bruce wrote:
> NY Times of course. And the same reason, irresponsible sensationalism.
>
If you're talking about the McCain thing, I think the impact is a
little different.
In the case of Prince Harry Drudge endangered the lives of soldiers in
the field for no news purpose. That is, there's no
Oof, I can't stand O'Reilly, that show is totally unwatchable. I hate shows
where people shout over each other- O'Reilly, Hannity & Colmes, Chris
Matthews, etc. I've lost my patience with that kind of BS.
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Gruss wrote:
> > RoMunn wrote:
> > although you might just
really? What did they do?
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> NY Times of course. And the same reason, irresponsible sensationalism.
>
>
>
>
> Dana wrote:
> > which Times are we talking about here? And why? Context dammit I need
> context ;)
> >
>
>
~~
NY Times of course. And the same reason, irresponsible sensationalism.
Dana wrote:
> which Times are we talking about here? And why? Context dammit I need context
> ;)
>
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So wait, Drudge breaks the story on the Prince's location in a combat
zone and the Times should get the blame?
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
which Times are we talking about here? And why? Context dammit I need context ;)
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Like the Times?
>
>
> Dana wrote:
> > I have to say, I really don't see what the public interest is that
> > would justify that leak. It's
Like the Times?
Dana wrote:
> I have to say, I really don't see what the public interest is that
> would justify that leak. It's simple irresponsible sensationalism.
> Ratings fever.
>
>
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I have to say, I really don't see what the public interest is that
would justify that leak. It's simple irresponsible sensationalism.
Ratings fever.
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:29 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Given that The Drudge Report yesterday violated the "gentleman's
> agre
Given that The Drudge Report yesterday violated the "gentleman's
agreement" between the press and the British Defense Ministry by
revealing the location of Prince Harry, can I get a few cries of
"Drudge is helping the terrorists" or "aiding our enemies" from our
friends on the right? a la Giraldo "
> gMoney wrote:
> But if you are looking for a broader sense.how is the country doing as a
> whole, how is the overall mission of the US military going in
> Iraq.sometimes that can't be derived by the sources you suggest.
>
Ever watch Hell's Kitchen? Sure, the waiters will always say t
> RoMunn wrote:
> although you might just drop dead of boredom from the news hours, but
> that's a risk of being informed...
>
LOL, well, yeah, it's not exciting like, say, O'reilly, but they it's
not useless like him either. ;-)
~
Bruce Sorge wrote:
>> liberal agenda is to only report the bad stuff
> ...
> Uh, yeah, sure. OK.
Exactly
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Depends on what you are after. The individual soldier on the ground in Iraq
is going to be doing terrific work, I imagine. Working with regular Iraqi's
to build schools or get their infrastructure back up and running.I think
you'll be hard pressed to get "negative" stories when focusing on the
Bruce
I hope you are right.
Dana
On 2/28/08, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Especially considering the fact that for over three decades they were
> ruled by a ruthless dictator who controlled every aspect of the
> government, including the media. All of this is very new to them.
> Yes
Especially considering the fact that for over three decades they were
ruled by a ruthless dictator who controlled every aspect of the
government, including the media. All of this is very new to them.
Yes there are problems over there. Electricity and water is not as
plentiful as it was before we
but they just passed significant legislation. i'm not saying they are
a mature democracy, but damn, let's give these people a chance to do
what's best for themselves.
On 2/28/08, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Iraq as it stands appears to be incapable of a legislative process. I
> know better t
um no
I am suggesting that you are perhaps getting really good descriptions
of he left ear and a couple of the toenails. Mind you the media may
not be doing much better. A diversity of POV is usually better though
On 2/28/08, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You talking about the poem by
although you might just drop dead of boredom from the news hours, but
that's a risk of being informed...
On 2/28/08, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> > Believe what you want. And yes, Fox is not a liberal channel, but they
> > are more fair than the others. Much more fair
You talking about the poem by John Godfrey Saxe? Yes, I have read it. So
are you saying that my friends are sensory deprived to the point that
they only see the good and not the bad? If that is the case then you are
wrong. I hear all about the bad as well as the good. I have personally
experien
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