Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-08 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/8/07, Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We log the request as we're talking with them. We have a task management system that's really tricked out. OK. You had me worried for a while :) Thanx for explaining how you actually work because I didn't get any of that from your original

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 01:15:50 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) I LOVE Dreamweaver, Love it!!! But while I might

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Will Tomlinson
damn all this cfeclipse talk is gonna force me to start usin it! ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
And you might never look back On 5/7/07, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damn all this cfeclipse talk is gonna force me to start usin it! ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 11:20:16 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) damn all this cfeclipse talk is gonna force me to start usin

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 11:20:16 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) damn all this cfeclipse talk is gonna force me to start usin it! ~| Upgrade to Adobe

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Dawson, Michael
To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) And as Neil stated its a wonderful platform, that can be extended to do many things. The beauty about that is that it has a backbone of great tools that not one other IDE can ever come close

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dawson, Michael wrote: Damnit! OK. You got me interested again. However, I found little online assistance (for dummies) on setting up CFE projects with an existing web site. In fact, I once deleted my entire web site when all I wanted to do was remove a project. That sort of pissed me

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
to the right solution? Thanks! -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) And as Neil stated its a wonderful platform, that can

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/7/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I like about it is the fact from a TDD point of view, no other CF tool besides Flex builder (aka eclipse anyway) supports Test Driven Development with full SVN integration, and tools that support jira, Bugzilla etc with Tasks that can

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Dawson, Michael
I can imagine that. When you delete a project, Eclipse asks you whether you want to delete the contents or not. If I answered wrongly I would be angry with myself too. Yep. I'm sure it did it, but I was certain I picked the correct option. ;-) What exactly does the version control solution have

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dawson, Michael wrote: What exactly does the version control solution have to do with SQL? You want to store your repository in a SQL database? You want to version your SQL schema? I think I remember seeing one repository that was stored in a SQL database. Is it only the metadata that is

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
Except the new framework doesn't work for me... Oh well, it is alpha after all. On 5/8/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/7/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I like about it is the fact from a TDD point of view, no other CF tool besides Flex builder (aka

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Doug Bezona
Now, I'm looking into better source control for me and my other web developer. I'm a PC. He's a Mac. Sounds like CFE is perfect for that. However, CFE needs to be pretty good since he prefers quick little HTML editors and doesn't quite have the mindset of source/versioning. You need to

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Rick Faircloth
Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Now, I'm looking into better source control for me and my other web developer. I'm a PC. He's a Mac. Sounds like CFE is perfect for that. However, CFE needs to be pretty good since he prefers quick little HTML editors

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Big Mad Kev
Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) The question I have on this topic is would I, as an individual developer, benefit from source control, or is this something only teams of developers need to worry about. I can see versioning being useful

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 19:09:11 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) The question I have on this topic is would I, as an individual developer, benefit from source control, or is this something only teams of developers need to worry

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Rick Faircloth
Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Even as a single developer, source control is a must. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Doug Bezona
] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Now, I'm looking into better source control for me and my other web developer. I'm a PC. He's a Mac. Sounds like CFE is perfect

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
-Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 19:57:10 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Are you referring to source control in a versioning sense? I don't have to worry about conflicts with someone checking out my

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Casey Dougall
On 5/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Versions in the way of what you have done, how to get back, backup source. Version control ~filenameBAK070507.cfm setup a hook in application.cfc that doesn't allow access to files with ~

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 20:23:28 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) On 5/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Versions

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
May 07 20:36:08 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Eh? I am not talking about true control of versions, branching, rollback/promote. I am not really sure what application.cfc has to do with it? This e-mail is from Reed

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Dave Watts
~filenameBAK070507.cfm setup a hook in application.cfc that doesn't allow access to files with ~ That's nice, until you realize you want to roll back the entire application to where it was last Tuesday, or until you want to branch code, etc, etc. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
It can and its really your choice, but let me say this with 2 scenarios as a lone developer. 1) I make changes and submit the working code to SVN, later I rewrite anothe component then relise that the previous code I wrote worked better. So I can revision the changes to that file and revert back

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
hehe, Thats the funniest piece of development I have seen in a long time Remind me to blog about how stupid of an idea that actually is. On 5/8/07, Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Versions in the way of what you

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Casey Dougall wrote: On 5/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: Versions in the way of what you have done, how to get back, backup source. Version control ~filenameBAK070507.cfm setup a hook in application.cfc that doesn't allow access to files with ~ So if you want to get all the

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Casey Dougall
So if you want to get all the changes between the version that was in test at 2006-05-13 12:46:13 and the version that was in production at 2006-04-17 11:34:53 and apply them to the version that you have in development now, how would you do that? Jochem Yeah, not going to happen. I can

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Max Hamby
Andrew, this is the second post that I have read in as many days (the other was the frameworks thread) where you have come into the discussion throwing a lot of attitude around. If you've got something constructive to add, I would love to hear from you. Otherwise, keep it to yourself or don't

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Dawson, Michael
Some source control solutions can store the repository in a database. But before we start another round of name-dropping, is that something you *want*? It's not a requirement at all. I was mainly looking for something that ran on Windows 2003 Server and didn't require much else. It appears

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Some source control solutions can store the repository in a database

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Dawson, Michael
CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) -Original Message- From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
... On 5/8/07, Max Hamby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew, this is the second post that I have read in as many days (the other was the frameworks thread) where you have come into the discussion throwing a lot of attitude around. If you've got something constructive to add, I would love

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Casey Dougall
On 5/7/07, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Russ. I'll dig into SVN a bit more. I really don't need a secure connection. I'm happy with FTP. If I need secure, then I'll just VPN into our network. Yeah, good luck with that. Fresh install eclipse, cfeclipse. Created a ftp

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Russ
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) On 5/7/07, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Russ. I'll dig into SVN a bit more. I really don't need

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robert Stark
Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) On 5/7/07, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Russ. I'll dig into SVN a bit more. I really don't

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/7/07, Robert Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was pretty disappointed with ftp on eclipse for quite some time. For the last 6 months I would do a search for plugins figuring I would find a decent solution because the one that comes with eclipse is terrible. Yeah, core FTP support for

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/7/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Serioulsy you have no idea how common that is, I guess my attempted humour was way off. I had already read the other posts, and they had said enough and I had no more really to add. But I was serious about blogging the downsides to it. I thought

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/7/07, Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long would that take to commit these edits using SVN? Right-click, Team Commit add (an optional) comment explaining what the change does / fixes and click OK. I can't imagine working on code without SVN. Can they be done with the client

RE: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-06 Thread Jeff Small
, May 04, 2007 11:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks) On 5/3/07, Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a Frameworks Overview needs to be added to the Max conference this year. Not a debate. Not a discussion or a Birds of a Feather... but a nice, healthy

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-06 Thread Jeff Small
to use a framework with the relatively light programming I do, so like anyone in my position, you always look for ways to make your life easier and make your programming tighter and better, and with all the talk about frameworks lately, you start to think, hey, maybe there's something to this, I

Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! WAS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-06 Thread Casey Dougall
Initially this was brought up in another thread. I'm re-posting this because it's getting way off the topic of frameworks. But may be of interests to others looking at CS3the other post: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks) http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:51491

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-06 Thread Dave Watts
I LOVE Dreamweaver, Love it!!! But while I might be able to get another year or 2 out of creating sites that are straight coldfusion, as Flex and Apollo applications start making it to the mainstream there is going to be more demand from our end to produce applications built around these

RE: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-05 Thread Dawson, Michael
I guess what I am saying is that if you are so educated, why are you asking such a question. but hey if you thin you can design efficent patterns in DW then so be it, who are we to tell you otherwise. Thats why you did not need to ask.. Damn. That was kind of harsh. M!ke On 5/4/07, Jeff

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-05 Thread Andrew Scott
Yeah probably a little... On 5/6/07, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess what I am saying is that if you are so educated, why are you asking such a question. but hey if you thin you can design efficent patterns in DW then so be it, who are we to tell you otherwise. Thats

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-04 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/3/07, Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a Frameworks Overview needs to be added to the Max conference this year. Not a debate. Not a discussion or a Birds of a Feather... but a nice, healthy overview of the frameworks available to ColdFusion programmers, and their strengths

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-04 Thread Andrew Scott
Well, the answer to be would be your background. DW is a good design tool but it lacks methodologies, it lacks design principles and last but not least is not an IDE for serious development. 1) with your background the design patterns that most frameworks offer provide easy and quick coding

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Jeff Small
With your background I am suprised you use DW, I would have thought Eclipse and SVN would be your bag. If I may ask, why? I hand code mostly in Dreamweaver's CodeView. I should probably preface this entire conversation by noting that I run the interactive department of a medium sized

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Jeff Small
Hi Jeff, A very quick answer is that if i came and worked for your company would i know on the first day which snippets did what? Would I conform to your standards? Frameworks allow people to pick up code and run with it quickly and conform to rules set out with in the framework. Well

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Jeff Small
And surely, like most if not all CS grads you would have learned a design pattern in whatever OO language you were taught? A framework probably was shown as well, and it's benefits? Not really. Design patterns, sure. But frameworks? Never. I graduated from CompSci around the mid to late 90s

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Jeff Small
In short, there's nothing you NEED a framework for, but there are a lot of smart developers out there, and I generally prefer to trust code that someone else wrote (and tested, exercised, and then released to a large community) over code that I wrote (with no other vetting). Especially for

RE: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Richard Kroll
at an MVC framework. In the end, many of the concepts that are applied are done so to help reduce the effort it will take to maintain the application. These things may or may not apply to your situation. If you run into these problems, then you'll become an advocate of frameworks, and the people

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Jeff Small
Considering they didn't include FLEX in dreamweaver CS3 I'm now starting to ask myselft the same thing. http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/web/features/allfeatures/ Can I be honest here for a second? This is *precisely* why I asked this question. The lack of Flex support in

RE: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Scott Stewart
Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks) With your background I am suprised you use DW, I would have thought Eclipse and SVN would be your bag. If I may ask, why? I hand code

RE: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Dawson, Michael
You shouldn't have to explain why you love DW over Eclipse. DW is pretty darn awesome and I'm not scared to spread the word, either. I, too, live in DW code view and shun frameworks. Hi, I'm Mike and I'm a DreamWeaver user. -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Casey Dougall
On 5/3/07, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You shouldn't have to explain why you love DW over Eclipse. DW is pretty darn awesome and I'm not scared to spread the word, either. I, too, live in DW code view and shun frameworks. Hi, I'm Mike and I'm a DreamWeaver user. + 1

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Jeff Small
You shouldn't have to explain why you love DW over Eclipse. DW is pretty darn awesome and I'm not scared to spread the word, either. I, too, live in DW code view and shun frameworks. Hi, I'm Mike and I'm a DreamWeaver user. I'm sorry. I honestly didn't want those comments to come across

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Barney Boisvert
On 5/3/07, Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry. I honestly didn't want those comments to come across that way. I was just *really* wondering if what I wasn't already doing *was* in fact, a framework, and if, during the course of the way I and my group programs, is a framework worth

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Jon Clausen
on an already successful workflow.Your internal development language will adapt and expand to meet the needs of your methodology. I like CFEclipse and Frameworks for many reasons, but I also suffered a pretty significant (though short-term) productivity hit when switching from DW to Eclipse

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Jeff Small
of a framework vs. a methodology and I now understand a lot better about how to go forward and implement what I'm looking for. This has been a great thread. Appreciate all the help tremendously. I think a Frameworks Overview needs to be added to the Max conference this year. Not a debate. Not a discussion

RE: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Dawson, Michael
can't wait to roll out a production web site with Scorpio! I wasn't picking on Jeff. I'm on his side. :-) M!ke -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks) You

RE: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Dave Watts
Regarding all the future of web development. RIAs are nice. Personally, I'm into the request-response mode, with maybe a touch of AJAX. We are wanting our students to begin using mobile phones to access our web sites. Therefore, I can't rely on Flash-based forms in most cases. Are you

RE: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-03 Thread Dawson, Michael
Are you finding that you still need to customize your mobile interfaces anyway? At a certain point, if you have to build multiple interfaces, you might as well use RIAs for one, and simplified HTML for another. There are a lot of HTML interfaces that just don't work well on a phone. Not quite

Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-02 Thread Jeff Small
We've (our development team) been using Dreamweaver, and we use it internally for checking in/out documents. We write CFCs and utilize Dreamweaver's Components tab. We use store all of our most used code in snippets that we all share, and we're all trained Computer Science graduates (not

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-02 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
-Original Message- From: Jeff Small To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed May 02 22:26:01 2007 Subject: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks) We've (our development team) been using Dreamweaver, and we use it internally for checking in/out documents. We write CFCs and utilize Dreamweaver's Components tab

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-02 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Jeff Small To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed May 02 22:26:01 2007 Subject: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks) We've (our development team) been using Dreamweaver, and we use it internally

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-02 Thread Nick Tong
Hi Jeff, A very quick answer is that if i came and worked for your company would i know on the first day which snippets did what? Would I conform to your standards? Frameworks allow people to pick up code and run with it quickly and conform to rules set out with in the framework. HTH On 02/05

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-02 Thread Barney Boisvert
a very nice way to wrap functionality around other existing functionality, and again, takes care of all the mundane accounting that is required to make that work. Similar examples exist for other frameworks. All the Front Controller frameworks provide configuration languages for the app (which you

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-02 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
: Nick Tong To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed May 02 22:34:44 2007 Subject: Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks) Hi Jeff, A very quick answer is that if i came and worked for your company would i know on the first day which snippets did what? Would I conform to your standards? Frameworks allow people

Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-02 Thread Casey Dougall
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With your background I am suprised you use DW, I would have thought Eclipse and SVN would be your bag. Considering they didn't include FLEX in dreamweaver CS3 I'm now starting to ask myselft the same thing.

Interview Fusebox 5, Ben Forta at CFUnited Express, Sean Corfield at Frameworks

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Smith
In this week's Newsletter: * Ben Forta to speak at CFUnited Express Events * Dates and Locations of CFUnited Express Events * Sean Corfield to speak at Frameworks Conference * New Topics for Frameworks Conference * Winner Fusebox Survey - Tracy Smith * Frameworks Classes Contest ends 1/26/07

Re: visual design and layouts for frameworks

2007-01-14 Thread Richard Cooper
Sounds interesting. I think I'll look into that further. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2

visual design and layouts for frameworks

2007-01-12 Thread Richard Cooper
Hi, What are peoples different methods for displaying a design within a framework? I can think of a few but were wondering the pros and cons and if I've missed any better methods: 1.Multiple cfincludes within a HTML file - I can see problems when working on outer container i.e. div

Re: visual design and layouts for frameworks

2007-01-12 Thread Teddy Payne
I will use Model-Glue for this example. You typically have a master template. This master template has set areas to load document information. These areas are very similar to cfincludes, but the framework has a view collection. The views are stored into a collection that have names attached to

Frameworks and CFUnited prices expire 01/05/07! Frameworks Schedule posted, Framework-Agnostic Models with CFCs

2007-01-03 Thread Michael Smith
In this week's Newsletter: * Frameworks New Topic by Adam Wayne Lehman * Frameworks Schedule Posted * Frameworks Classes Contest! * Frameworks pre-conf class by Jeff Peters, cancelled * CFUnited Express in Atlanta * Only 2 days left on the early pricing for CFUnited and Frameworks * Why should my

CFUnited topics, Fusebox 5.1, Frameworks classes, Flex interview, discount ends 01/05/07

2006-12-27 Thread Michael Smith
In this week's Newsletter: * CFUnited Topics Announced (First List) * Survey Results Contest Winner * Only 9 days left on the Early-early bird price for CFUnited and Frameworks * CFUnited Podcast - Jeremy Kadlec - SQL Server 2000 and 2005 Performance Tuning * Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0 review

Frameworks Pre-Conference Classes, CFUnited Express - NYC, Atlanta

2006-12-18 Thread Michael Smith
In this week's Newsletter: * Frameworks Pre-Conference Classes * CFUnited Express, Atlanta and New York * CFUNITED Survey - win a CFUNITED ticket - due 12/22/-07 * Only 20 days left on the Early-early bird price on CFUNITED * Interview with Glenda Vigoreaux ColdFusion Printing and Reporting

CFConfCentral Event News - Frameworks Conference topics posted, hotel code

2006-11-16 Thread Michael Smith
In this week's Newsletter: * Frameworks Conference price $399 expires 01/05/2007 * Frameworks Conference Hotel information posted * Frameworks Conference Topics posted * CFUNITED-07 dates, location, registration news * CFUNITED-07 sponsor information, new gold sponsor for 2007

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-10 Thread Mark Drew
Andrew, We shall be adding this in the future, of course, if you have suggestions of things that you would like to see cfeclipse do with styles, let me know. MD On 9 Nov 2006, at 11:53, Andrew Scott wrote: I also use Dojo, love it to bits and hate at times too. I use cfeclipse for my

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-10 Thread Andrew Scott
these frameworks like dojo etc in would be so nice;-) Hope I made sense:-) On 11/10/06, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew, We shall be adding this in the future, of course, if you have suggestions of things that you would like to see cfeclipse do with styles, let me know. MD

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-09 Thread Andrew Scott
I also use Dojo, love it to bits and hate at times too. I use cfeclipse for my work, and have the aptana plugin as it can handle Dojo and a lot more as well. I just wish that cfeclipse had better inline css editing help when doing so. Oh well. btw I will be starting some dojo tutorials real

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-09 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
To: CF-Talk Sent: Thu Nov 09 11:53:11 2006 Subject: Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ? I also use Dojo, love it to bits and hate at times too. I use cfeclipse for my work, and have the aptana plugin as it can handle Dojo and a lot more as well. I just wish

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-09 Thread Andrew Scott
expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott To: CF-Talk Sent: Thu Nov 09 11:53:11 2006 Subject: Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one

Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter?

2006-11-08 Thread Ali Majdzadeh
Hi: I want to start AJAX. I found plenty of CF/AJAX frameworks out there and some looked really great but I really need a basic documentation plus ease of use cause I want to START it. Which one is the easiest and/or best with good a documentation. thanks benign

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter?

2006-11-08 Thread Raymond Camden
. On 11/8/06, Ali Majdzadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I want to start AJAX. I found plenty of CF/AJAX frameworks out there and some looked really great but I really need a basic documentation plus ease of use cause I want to START it. Which one is the easiest and/or best with good

RE: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter?

2006-11-08 Thread Andy Matthews
08, 2006 7:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter? Hi: I want to start AJAX. I found plenty of CF/AJAX frameworks out there and some looked really great but I really need a basic documentation plus ease of use cause I want to START it. Which one

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Nov 08 15:04:59 2006 Subject: Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter? While not CF specific, I'd really recommend Spry: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/ I found it to be a _very_ easy to use AJAX framework. It is not yet 1.0 though (well

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Mike Chabot
I looked at a lot of the frameworks. The problem is that there are at least 10 really good frameworks, and they are all significantly different. The one you start with may depend on what you are looking to accomplish. If you are looking for a certain visual effect, that is different than a simple

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Dan Vega
I am a big fan of Yahoo and Yahoo ext On 11/8/06, Mike Chabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at a lot of the frameworks. The problem is that there are at least 10 really good frameworks, and they are all significantly different. The one you start with may depend on what you are looking

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Robyn
Not CF specific, but I'm currently using Prototype and scriptaculous. Looking into Dojo. Dan Vega wrote: I am a big fan of Yahoo and Yahoo ext On 11/8/06, Mike Chabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at a lot of the frameworks. The problem is that there are at least 10 really good

RE: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Joshua Cyr
as feature rich, but renders much faster. -Original Message- From: Robyn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ? Not CF specific, but I'm currently using Prototype

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Rey Bango
benign, Let me preface this by saying that Ajax features are not fancy, whiz bang effects. Those effects are typically additional DOM/CSS/DHTML components created to compliment Ajax functionality. If all you want is straight Ajax with some level of CF integration, then look at AjaxCFC

RE: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Michael E. Carluen
, -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 1:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ? benign, Let me preface this by saying that Ajax features are not fancy, whiz bang

RE: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Andy Matthews
--//- -Original Message- From: Michael E. Carluen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ? Hi Ray, Andy M I just started toying around with jquery, and been pretty

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Ali Majdzadeh
Great reply Rey. Thanks. Another question is what IDE do you suggest for these frameworks? I've heard of some AJAX IDE's (WYSIWYG/NON WYSIWYG) but not sure they are real help. Please give me your opinion. Thanks Benign

RE: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Michael E. Carluen
frameworks. Which one for a starter ? Rey's got a great set of code. I'd also be happy to share with you what I've come up with, but Rey's gotten more into it that I have. !//-- andy matthews web developer certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Mike Chabot
I use HomeSite when writing Ajax code. It is just JavaScript. -Mike Chabot On 11/8/06, Ali Majdzadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great reply Rey. Thanks. Another question is what IDE do you suggest for these frameworks? I've heard of some AJAX IDE's (WYSIWYG/NON WYSIWYG) but not sure

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Rey Bango
. Thanks. Another question is what IDE do you suggest for these frameworks? I've heard of some AJAX IDE's (WYSIWYG/NON WYSIWYG) but not sure they are real help. Please give me your opinion. Thanks Benign ~| Introducing

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Rey Bango
. -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ? Rey's got a great set of code. I'd also be happy to share with you what I've come up with, but Rey's

Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ?

2006-11-08 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
: Mike Chabot To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Nov 08 23:07:35 2006 Subject: Re: Plenty of Coldfusion/Ajax frameworks. Which one for a starter ? I use HomeSite when writing Ajax code. It is just JavaScript. -Mike Chabot On 11/8/06, Ali Majdzadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great reply Rey. Thanks. Another

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