Joe, don't mean to pick on ya. But it's pretty funny :)
There is NO point made here...unless u want you brief.
- Original Message -
From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:59 AM
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC
No, I don't have any theories, just observations. If there
are two ways to do something, and one works better than the
other, I'll recommend the one that works.
How do you OR i know...what works... unless you spent a few
un-productive hours testing for what works? If i spend alot
of
Eugene
-Original Message-
From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 3:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
lol. I see you've gotten so worked up, you're just babbling now.
Ah well. You could always try using PHP. Or maybe
Yes, most developers just want to get something working and go home...
and then there are others who... are passionate about what they do...
Which one do you belog to :)
And yet others are passionate, but read the documentation for a product and
find out that a particular method to solving a
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
No, I don't have any theories, just observations. If there
are two ways to do something, and one works better than
Eugene
-Original Message-
From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
Yes, most developers just want to get something working and go home...
and then there are others who
No, I got the point.
You like to complain.
- Original Message -
From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
LOL..
Yes, most developers just want to get something working and go
Joe, *what* have you been smoking?
HTML has gotten the web where it is because it is the only
game in town.
And standards??? W3C? There is only one thing that will drive
market acceptance and that is market dominance; not a
committee of any sort. Ever. Macromedia has gotten
On Thursday, Mar 6, 2003, at 13:21 US/Pacific, Adrocknaphobia Jones
wrote:
Yes CF is still the fastest. Up to about 6 months ago should be the
primary goal of web any application developer, according to MM.
I'll agree with the CF is still the fastest [language to develop HTML
web apps]
On Friday, Mar 7, 2003, at 00:23 US/Pacific, Jim Davis wrote:
Flash may have achieved market dominance via pure market forces, but
HTML, HTTP, CSS, SOAP, and XML have achieved market dominance via the
work of the W3C. Niether force can be discounted or marginalized.
Hmm, as someone who spent
a good browser :)
(Opera) to use your site.
- Original Message -
From: Sean A Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website
On Thursday, Mar 6, 2003, at 14:08 US/Pacific, Adrocknaphobia Jones
wrote
However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks. It sucks really bad. It's the
worst thing to happen to application interfaces in the short history of
computing, next to the QWERTY keyboard. The success of HTML interfaces has
been in spite of this awful step backwards in interface design,
not
, March 07, 2003 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website
On Thursday, Mar 6, 2003, at 14:08 US/Pacific, Adrocknaphobia Jones
wrote:
For the last few years I've been telling upper management that I can
cut
costs, raise quality, and employ less developers. Cold Fusion is the
solution
3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
Except for the Download page that tells Opera users to Please Use a
Supported Browser. Baby steps, I guess. Hopefully they'll get that
working at some point soon.
The home page is working great. So, as a developer who's doing some
remoting, some
then get that pretty crap outta here.
- Original Message -
From: Willy Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
Except for the Download page that tells Opera users to Please Use
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:14 PM
Subject: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
Except for the Download page that tells Opera users to Please Use a
Supported Browser. Baby steps, I guess. Hopefully they'll get that
working at some point soon
Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
At 05:08 PM 3/6/2003
Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:14 PM
Subject: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
Except for the Download page that tells Opera users to Please Use a
Supported Browser. Baby steps, I guess. Hopefully they'll get that
working
However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks. It sucks really
bad. It's the worst thing to happen to application interfaces
in the short history of computing, next to the QWERTY keyboard.
The success of HTML interfaces has been in spite of this
awful step backwards in interface design,
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
Thought this link might be of interest to you all.
http://www.markme.com/mesh
HTML hardly has any controls, compared to c/s environments such as VC++, VB, or Java.
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Wheatley)
Date: Friday, March 7, 2003 9:26 am
Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
I was reading Dave Watts post about HTML
I agree that market factors can and do drive technology
adoption, but a basic foundation must be in place first
- and the W3C has given, and continues to give, us that
foundation. It's not always on target (for example neither
PNG or SMIL have particularly taken off) but what is?
Flash
by Ben Forta and Tim Buntel
Discount tickets before March 14th 2003
- Original Message -
From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet
However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks.
Html might suck.. but it has driven internet..to where
it is today.
Sure. That doesn't change the fact that it really, really sucks as an
application interface. And who's to say that the internet wouldn't be in a
better place today had things
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for standardization. But the W3C can't bring
about doodly-squat. All it can do is help vendors do what they want to do,
if they want to do it.
Watch that language Dave...you could make Ned Flanders blush with that potty
mouth ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP
But when we take an application out of the traditional browser, which
the general consumer has _slowly_ grown comfortable with, we lose a lot
of the structure and barriers. A very small aspect would be the multiple
colors of active and visited links. From bookmarking and copying
shortcuts to
, mapping reporting
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
http://www.macromedia.com/security
That news is a week
Macromedia Website
HTML hardly has any controls, compared to c/s environments such
as VC++, VB, or Java.
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Wheatley)
Date: Friday, March 7, 2003 9:26 am
Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
I was reading Dave
reporting
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
Thought this link might be of interest to you all.
http://www.markme.com
players(IBM/MSFT/ORCL) and the W3C will be happy to play along
with MM's invention.. yeah right!.
Joe
---Original Message---
From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03/07/03 01:42 AM
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
Joe, *what* have you been
if MM releases it to W3C and makes Flash open source.
Too late...
http://www.openswf.org/
~Todd
At 09:38 AM 3/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Matt,
Joe, *what* have you been smoking?
smoking? Nah.. i passed it along*** :)
HTML has gotten the web where it is because it is the only game in town.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
I agree that market factors can and do drive technology
adoption, but a basic foundation must be in place first
:24 am
Subject: RE: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
Yes, but the controls that HTML has all adhere to the interface
standards of
the host OS. This is in contrast to Flash widgets that look and feel
differently not only within Flash in general, but in just about
every Flash
Yes BETA MAX rocked!
- Original Message -
From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks.
Html might suck.. but it has driven internet..to where
to become the
standard it has to allow to do the things people have been doing for 10
years.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
Yes
Director
www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
Yes, but the controls that HTML has all adhere to the interface
www.macromedia.com/security/
- Original Message -
From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
:) no lynching here mang.
I just happened to see it on cnn.com
For HTML this may have been the case, but market forces
did force the companies to adopt the core standards
fairly quickly. That's not stopping them from adding
features (and the W3C isn't demanding that they don't)
but it does level the playing field.
So, again, what did the W3C
Not exactly.. there are some other technologies.. Again NOT
supported by all browsers... So didnt get popular.. Same
thing is going to happen to Flash/RIA.. HTML became popular
cause there is standard (W3C).. so will XML and the beauty of
it.. is..
You are NOT learning/coding
Jim (and Joe),
First of all, my comments were a bit off-the-cuff yesterday... It'd been
a long one so if I've offended please forgive.
I think a standards body is good for shepherding *new* things which have
not yet gelled. However, when it comes to pronouncements on
technologies which have
difficult.
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
However
But what about the universal standard usability in HTML based
applications? The power of HTML is its standardization. A drop down box
is a drop down box no matter the browser, OS, internet connection. A
user who recognizes an underlined word as a link, can assume that for
all HTML based
line is you have to give the client what they need, no more or no
less. It's up to you and the client to determine what that is.
--Andy
-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
Its amusing how they blame it on the evil browser though ;)
I love html and i actually hate alot of things about flash. I hate you
cant
right click
is trivial, i can play along with that.
Joe Eugene
---Original Message---
From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03/07/03 12:04 PM
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks.
Html might suck.. but it has
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
When you talk about save as, and save as background, are you talking about
the entire flash movie, or elements within the movie?
In regards to the browser:
http://www.markme.com/mesh/archives
-Original Message-
From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
Dave..
I know plenty of people running CFMX production servers right
now. They might disagree with your conclusion about
---Original Message---
From: Andrew Tyrone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03/07/03 02:56 PM
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
-Original Message-
From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
The problem that I see is that a lot of people who do nothing but complain
about a *supposed* CFMX bug waste a lot of time because they
refuse to call
tech support.
And how much does it cost to call Tech Support? I need to get a bug in
FlashMX addressed, but from their site it looks like it's
For HTML this may have been the case, but market forces
did force the companies to adopt the core standards
fairly quickly. That's not stopping them from adding
features (and the W3C isn't demanding that they don't)
but it does level the playing field.
So, again, what did the W3C
I was reading Dave Watts post about HTML sucking earlier
and i am really curious dave why do you think it sucks.
I hardly know where to begin. There are just so many reasons why it's bad
for application interfaces. Just imagine if, for everything you did on your
computer, you had to do it
Am just bringing up issues here...FOR the General GOOD
OF CFMX!.
It's one thing to say, hey, there's a problem and it should be fixed if
possible. It's another thing to say that the product shouldn't have been
released because of it.
IF the Community/MM thinks a CFMX BUG is trivial, i can
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
I was reading Dave Watts post about HTML sucking earlier
and i am really curious dave why do you think it sucks.
I hardly know where to begin. There are just so many reasons why it's bad
How can you say that XML has achieved it's popularity
solely on vendor actions? The spec and idea came first;
vendor support followed.
There are many specs and many ideas; few make it to fruition and become
useful products. XML is popular because there are a bunch of products that
use XML,
Friday, March 7, 2003, 4:38:38 PM, you wrote:
Am just bringing up issues here...FOR the General GOOD
OF CFMX!.
DW It's one thing to say, hey, there's a problem and it should be fixed if
DW possible. It's another thing to say that the product shouldn't have been
DW released because of it.
IF
Agreed. That is why the vast majority of the content in our site is in html.
mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
Am just bringing up issues here...FOR the General GOOD
OF CFMX!.
It's one thing to say, hey, there's a problem and it should be fixed if
possible. It's another thing to say that the product shouldn't have been
released because
But what about the universal standard usability in HTML
based applications? The power of HTML is its standardization.
A drop down box is a drop down box no matter the browser,
OS, internet connection. A user who recognizes an underlined
word as a link, can assume that for all HTML based
Yes if you could copy and paste from within flash, open
links in new windows and do everything you could with HTML
in standard i would be happy with flash.
it is extremly annoying and i would hope flash EVENTUALLY
lets you do the same type things you can with html if it
is the thing MM
on CF OR CF Tags.
IF CFMX problems dont get fixed.. developers will eventually start looking at
alternatives... Just Simple Fact.
Joe Eugene
---Original Message---
From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03/07/03 04:38 PM
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia
I think one of the root causes of this kind of frustration
is that it's very difficult to know what the status of a
fix is. The bug list isn't public, and if it is available
to anyone outside of macromedia they don't mention it anywhere,
or are limited by some kind of nda.
We ran into
would put into request or something like
that..
Yes.. this would be nice.
Joe
---Original Message---
From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03/07/03 05:02 PM
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
Friday, March 7, 2003, 4:38:38 PM, you wrote:
Am
Kevin Graeme wrote:
The problem that I see is that a lot of people who do nothing but complain
about a *supposed* CFMX bug waste a lot of time because they
refuse to call tech support.
And how much does it cost to call Tech Support? I need to get a bug in
FlashMX addressed, but from their site
At the time it was stated that it is some that we were considering. That has
not changed at this point.
mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: The New
It's another thing to say that the product shouldn't have
been released because of it.
It might be your nature to release BUG/GY applications...
I Dont operate that way.
So, you're saying that if there's ANY bug at all in CFMX, it shouldn't have
been released? I'd still be waiting for my
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
I think one of the root causes of this kind of frustration
is that it's very difficult to know what the status
On Friday, Mar 7, 2003, at 07:14 US/Pacific, Willy Ray wrote:
Except for the Download page that tells Opera users to Please Use a
Supported Browser. Baby steps, I guess. Hopefully they'll get that
working at some point soon.
Opera does not currently support Flash Remoting properly which is
On Friday, Mar 7, 2003, at 12:54 US/Pacific, Dave Watts wrote:
I hardly know where to begin. There are just so many reasons why it's
bad
for application interfaces. Just imagine if, for everything you did on
your
computer, you had to do it through an HTML interface. Just compare it
to the
Just out of curiousity what does MM use internally for defect tracking?
I've often thought that Allaire's and now MM's knowledge base was very
weak. The articles are very difficult to find due to the poor searching
and often not specific enough to the many product versions in use.
A really good
We have a completely new search system in place now, so that may address
some of your concerns.
mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've often thought that Allaire's and now MM's knowledge base was very
weak. The articles are very
I've often thought that Allaire's and now MM's knowledge base was very
weak. The articles are very difficult to find due to the poor searching
and often not specific enough to the many product versions in use.
I am not especially happy about the new website, but the search capabilities
are
Hallelujah (about your search results, that is). :-)
Deb
-Original Message-
From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
I am not especially happy about the new website
We have a completely new search system in place now, so that
may address some of your concerns.
I haven't checked it out yet. No problems in the last few days. ;^)
But if it works, GREAT! I do agree with the other posters that bugs
should get special treatment in the knowledge base - even
: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
It's another thing to say that the product shouldn't have
been released because of it.
It might be your nature to release BUG/GY applications...
I Dont
Mr. Watts can defend himself, but you completely missed the point of his
answer.
- Original Message -
From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:52 PM
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
So, you're saying that if there's
I am NOT saying ANY.. software is not perfect!. We are
not talking about one specific issue... CFMX has had numerous
issues... (Check Updater Docs... if you want to start counting
them)
Every complex software product I've ever seen has numerous bugs. I'm not
sure why you'd expect CFMX to
but you completely missed the point of his answer.
There is NO point made here...unless u want you brief.
Joe Eugene
-Original Message-
From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
Mr
-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
I am NOT saying ANY.. software is not perfect!. We are
not talking about one specific issue... CFMX has had numerous
issues... (Check Updater Docs
-- Original Message --
From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Instead of having such a strong knee jerk reaction, perhaps we
should help them beta test this thing and offer CONSTRUCTIVE
DIRECTION. Even experts can learn new methods. They seem
-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
Wow. Talk about culture shock. There has been quite a bit said today
about the new (beta) version of the layout. I have checked out the site
and it was well done. Personally I was impressed with some of the
backend action going on. Pretty tight
will be of any value to scalable/high traffic(eg ebay,amazon etc) Web
Applications.
Joe
---Original Message---
From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03/06/03 02:12 PM
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
Jaye,
You made some great points, but I'd
You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture
shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers,
the only technology that can give us culture shock, is _old_ technology,
or the lack of change. The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM.
Macromedia
, March 06, 2003 11:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website
Very well said... Adam.
I still do belive.. RIA is just another hype...just like applets, which
didnt go anywhere..inpsite of the fact that applet techniques were
Non-Proprietary. You might see some flashy marketing type
, March 06, 2003 2:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
Jaye,
You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture
shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers,
the only technology that can give us culture shock, is _old_ technology
- Original Message -
From: Chris Kief [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They
are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds
the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months.
I don't agree with
CFMX and sessions.
Hi all. Every time I think I've turned the corner with MX, it bites
me in the rear.
OK Batman. Riddle me this:
How in the world do you keep a session alive in CFMX when...
A) Cookies are disabled
and
B) You move from one domain to the other
???
I have 3 situations with
Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and
easiest way to create dynamic web based applications.
That's been the core of CF with the philosophy of getting
applications out the door fast, at a very low cost.
I don't think that's changed any. CF is still the fastest and easiest
Not to be a jerk but you probably could if you passed the info to a
shared object in FlashMX.
Jaye
-Original Message-
From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
CFMX and sessions.
Hi all. Every time I
ACK!!! I hit reply to that subject to save time and tabbedonce too
often and the subject went to the top of the e-mail.
OOPS and sorry. I'll re-post with the correct subject. :)
--
Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce
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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture
shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers,
the only technology that can give us culture shock
You don't (AFAIK)
Jaye
-Original Message-
From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
CFMX and sessions.
Hi all. Every time I think I've turned the corner with MX, it bites
me in the rear.
OK Batman
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
Adam,
What I am about to say is simply based on my experience and impression.
Point by point I would reflect it back to you this way:
1. The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM.
Jaye's Response: Instead of saying complete turn of stance, I would say
-
Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
Founder Director
www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
- Original Message -
From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
Jaye I think
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture
shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers,
the only technology that can give us culture shock, is _old_
technology,
or the lack of change. The shock is the complete
At 05:08 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
My underlying issue is that Macromedia is very fickle. I can't tell you
where they are going to be in a year. Which mean I don't know where I, a
MM developer will be in a year either.
Then don't upgrade? Keep the current version you have
Jaye I think we're starting to argue semantics and not
the facts. I agree with the trip methodology, but when
I got in the car, macromedia told me the destination
was rapid development and lower costs. The new altered
path is u-turn, because now we are heading towards longer
development
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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
Jaye I think we're starting to argue semantics and not
the facts. I agree with the trip methodology, but when
I got in the car, macromedia told me the destination
was rapid development and lower costs
.. JUST FACT! :)
Joe Eugene
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website
Jaye I think we're starting to argue semantics and not
the facts. I agree with the trip
Joe, *what* have you been smoking?
HTML has gotten the web where it is because it is the only game in town.
And standards??? W3C? There is only one thing that will drive market
acceptance and that is market dominance; not a committee of any sort.
Ever. Macromedia has gotten themselves installed
Wow. Talk about culture shock. There has been quite a bit said today
about the new (beta) version of the layout. I have checked out the site
and it was well done. Personally I was impressed with some of the
backend action going on. Pretty tight indeed. Try out the Your
account section. I
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