RE: mpls fragmentation [7:74577]

2003-09-02 Thread Peter van Oene
At 08:42 AM 9/2/2003 +1200, Thomas Salmen wrote: >hmm, cheers > >any idea if there is any documentation regarding this? seems to me that with >all these sites these days mucking around with df bits and filtering icmp >that it's a wonder that any link with an odd pmtu works at all. not to >mention

RE: mpls fragmentation [7:74577]

2003-09-01 Thread Thomas Salmen
hmm, cheers any idea if there is any documentation regarding this? seems to me that with all these sites these days mucking around with df bits and filtering icmp that it's a wonder that any link with an odd pmtu works at all. not to mention qos getting all upset with fragmented packets. thomas

Re: mpls fragmentation [7:74577]

2003-09-01 Thread Peter van Oene
At 10:37 PM 8/31/2003 +, Thomas Salmen wrote: >does anyone know if using frame-mode mpls affects the mtu on an interface? i >can't help thinking that sticking in an extra 32-bit header would mean >reducing the amount of user data that could be carried by 32 bits - causing >fragmentation if the

RE: MPLS simulated lab at home [7:72759]

2003-07-23 Thread Luan Nguyen
I would try the cisco web site first. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/tech/tk436/tk428/tech_configuration_e xamples_list.html http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/tech/tk436/tk428/tech_tech_notes_list html Well, I guess just go to the website (cisco, juniper redback...etc) and do a search on mpl

RE: MPLS simulated lab at home [7:72759]

2003-07-23 Thread Vicuna, Mark
Cisco site has a decent set of configuration samples (as usual). MPLS and VPN architectures (cisco press) is a great starting point and you can go from there. hth, Mark. -Original Message- From: Eyabane Patasse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:27 AM To: [EMAI

RE: MPLS simulated lab at home [7:72759]

2003-07-23 Thread alaerte Vidali
I like the starting point in Stephen Hutnik and Michael Satterlee book (All in One CCIE. MPLS and VPN worked great in our lab, with 2500 routers. Unfortunately, it is impossible to reproduce MPLS Traffic Engineering on 2500. The router crashes. Hope Helps. Message Posted at: http://www.groupst

RE: MPLS simulated lab at home [7:72759]

2003-07-22 Thread Luan Nguyen
I would try the cisco web site first. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/tech/tk436/tk428/tech_configuration_e xamples_list.html http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/tech/tk436/tk428/tech_tech_notes_list .html Well, I guess just go to the website (cisco, juniper redback...etc) and do a search on mp

RE: MPLS simulated lab at home [7:72759]

2003-07-22 Thread Vicuna, Mark
Cisco site has a decent set of configuration samples (as usual). MPLS and VPN architectures (cisco press) is a great starting point and you can go from there. hth, Mark. -Original Message- From: Eyabane Patasse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:27 AM To: [EMAI

RE: MPLS VLANs... [7:72376]

2003-07-16 Thread Mike Bernico
pretty good. As far as I know it's the first Cisco Press book to talk about Martini L2 stuff. -Original Message- From: alaerte Vidali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MPLS VLANs... [7:72376] Hi Mike, We are

RE: MPLS VLANs... [7:72376]

2003-07-16 Thread alaerte Vidali
Hi Mike, We are going to implement EoMPLS over two 6509 connected through 155 Mbps PoS link. Do you have experience concerning CPU/memory utilization? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=72404&t=72376 -- FAQ, list arch

RE: MPLS VLANs... [7:72376]

2003-07-16 Thread Mike Bernico
Karen, We are currently working on rolling out Martini L2 Ethernets over MPLS. There are two Cisco ways to do Ethernet over MPLS. The first and most commonly used method uses VC 0x0004 as defined in draft-martini-l2circuit-trans-mpls. It is used to transport individual .1q vlans, which if I read

RE: MPLS VLANs... [7:72376]

2003-07-16 Thread alaerte Vidali
Hi Karen, Would EoMPLS meet your requirement? Best Regards, Alaerte Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=72384&t=72376 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misco

RE: MPLS for CCIE [7:71132]

2003-06-23 Thread Peter zhang
check the blue print on CCO. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=71218&t=71132 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EM

Re: MPLS for CCIE [7:71132]

2003-06-23 Thread Devrim Yener KUCUK
For the Communication Services Written Exam , general knowledge for MPLS, MPLS/VPN should be oki I think. Cisco's MPLS and MPLS/VPN Tech Support page should be enough for the written part for the MPLS and MPLS VPN questions. http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/Support/browse/psp_view.pl?p=Internetworkin

Re: MPLS TE crash the router 2500 [7:70221]

2003-06-11 Thread alaerte Vidali
Thanks, I sucessfully created MPLS VPN on this platform/image, but maybe it is necessary 2600 family router to test MPLS TE. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70542&t=70221 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription i

Re: MPLS TE crash the router 2500 [7:70221]

2003-06-10 Thread Devrim Yener KUCUK
: Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 4:55 PM Subject: Re: MPLS TE crash the router 2500 [7:70221] > I tried another version, but occurs the same error message: > > R2#sh ver > Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software > IOS (tm) 2500 Software (C2500-JS-L), Experimental Version &

Re: MPLS TE crash the router 2500 [7:70221]

2003-06-10 Thread alaerte Vidali
I tried another version, but occurs the same error message: R2#sh ver Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) 2500 Software (C2500-JS-L), Experimental Version 12.0(20011017:155337) [rraszuk -New_reorg_oct17 110] 2#sh flash System flash directory: File Length Name/status 1 12

Re: MPLS TE crash the router 2500 [7:70221]

2003-06-06 Thread alaerte Vidali
The version is: R3#sh vers Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) 2500 Software (C2500-P-L), Experimental Version 12.0(20011017:155337) [rraszuk- New_reorg_oct17 109] R3#sh flash System flash directory: File Length Name/status 1 8303380 /c2500-p-l.20oct2001 The memory is:

Re: MPLS TE crash the router 2500 [7:70221]

2003-06-06 Thread Devrim Yener KUCUK
it is strange i used this command many times and my routers never crashed :) is this only happening on the 2500 platform? and could you tell your "sh ver" regards De - Original Message - From: "alaerte Vidali" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:13 PM Subject: MPLS TE crash the

Re: MPLS Label - unique per interface / DLCI - unique per [7:65093]

2003-03-11 Thread Karen E Young
Your router is connected to a port on a frame-relay switch on the provider's end. That port can handle multiple PVCs. a DLCI is just the FR switch's way of determining which of those PVC's a frame belongs to and thus how it should be routed. So from a certain viewpoint, both statements are true. On

Re: MPLS Label - unique per interface / DLCI - uni [7:65093]

2003-03-11 Thread alaerte Vidali
Yes, Thanks. I did a lab and the router did allow configure the same DLCI on two different interfaces. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=65097&t=65093 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstud

Re: ??? MPLS ??? [7:64898]

2003-03-11 Thread Peter van Oene
At 02:16 PM 3/10/2003 +, Steven Aiello wrote: >Sorry for such a newbe question. But what is MPLS? And what is it? >Any one have a link they can point me too? Just trying to learn more. I would recommend you start at www.mplsrc.com and possibly surf to the standards page. Within that page,

Re: ??? MPLS ??? [7:64898]

2003-03-11 Thread Charles
look up back issues of cisco's "IP journal" there's a good article on MPLS.. ""Steven Aiello"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sorry for such a newbe question. But what is MPLS? And what is it? > Any one have a link they can point me too? Just trying to learn more. > > Thanks,

Re: ??? MPLS ??? [7:64898]

2003-03-10 Thread Karen E Young
Converge Network Digest has a few tutorials on MPLS on their web site. Not alot of detail but really good overviews for someone new to the technology. http://www.convergedigest.com/Bandwidth/archive/010910TUTORIAL-rgallaher1.htm Hope this helps, Karen *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On

Re: ??? MPLS ??? [7:64898]

2003-03-10 Thread John Hutchison
I found this link to Cisco for MPLS. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft/120 limit/120s/120s5/mpls_te.htm Bon apetit! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=64901&t=64898 -- FAQ, list

Re: ??? MPLS ??? [7:64898]

2003-03-10 Thread John Hutchison
Multiprotocol Label Switching. Can read up on it at Cisco or I believe, whatis.com has a little on it, as well. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=64899&t=64898 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www

Re: mpls, QoS, etc... [7:64810]

2003-03-08 Thread Router Kid
Also this one. http://www.netcraftsmen.net/welcher/ ""Router Kid"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fqos > _c/qcfbook.pdf > > Let me know if you like it :) > > > > ""Xy Hien Le"" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PRO

Re: mpls, QoS, etc... [7:64810]

2003-03-08 Thread Router Kid
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fqos _c/qcfbook.pdf Let me know if you like it :) ""Xy Hien Le"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi All, > > Can anyone show me a few links to some good QoS, MPLS practice labs? > Thanks in advance. > Xy Mess

Re: MPLS and CEF [7:62993]

2003-02-14 Thread John Murphy
nvolved in MPLS. Jim Guichard is an active participant on the list so you can drill down about as deep as you want and get pretty good answers. HTH, John - Original Message - From: "Anne Beatriz" To: Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 6:33 AM Subject: Re: MPLS and CEF [7:62993]

Re: MPLS and CEF [7:62993]

2003-02-14 Thread Anne Beatriz
Hello, I think MPLS require CEF because some mechanisms like: Packets are switched in the interrupt code using the CEF cache (FIB table). It supports per-packet load balancing (previously only supported by process switching), per-source/destination load balancing (only supported by CEF switching),

RE: MPLS and CEF [7:62993]

2003-02-13 Thread ahmed alsharafa
mpls use sef table to forword lable if you need more information you can e-mail me in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=62997&t=62993 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstu

Re: MPLS and CEF [7:62993]

2003-02-13 Thread MADMAN
Off the top of me noodle I think It has to do the FIB built by CEF and the FIB probably contains the tag info MPLS uses. I'm sure someone else can elaborate much more eloquently than I though ;) Dave Router Kid wrote: > anyone knows why MPLS require CEF to be enable on the cisco routers ? >

Re: MPLS Traffic Engineering - 2500 router reset [7:61947]

2003-01-29 Thread Charles
ot; @groupstudy.com em 27/01/2003 21:05:18 > > Favor responder a "Charles" > > Enviado Por: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: > > Assunto:Re: MPLS Traffic Engineering - 2500 router reset [7:61947] > > > one of the things you ha

Re: MPLS Traffic Engineering - 2500 router reset [7:61947]

2003-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have the ip rsvp bandwidth 500 500 on the related interfaces. Is that what you mean? "Charles" @groupstudy.com em 27/01/2003 21:05:18 Favor responder a "Charles" Enviado Por: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Assunto:Re: MPLS Traffic Engin

Re: MPLS Traffic Engineering - 2500 router reset [7:61947]

2003-01-27 Thread Charles
one of the things you have to do is use enable rsvp on all interfaces that will take part in the tunnel ... rsvp is used to 'reserve bandwidth for the tunnel' - the tunnel won't come up unless you do this I think the command is either 'rsvp bandwidth' or 'rsvp-bandwidth' wrote in message [

RE: MPLS images for 7200? 2500? [7:60284]

2003-01-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: (321) 309-1410 888.449.5766 (USA) / 888.SOLUNET (Canada) -Original Message- From: Paul Jin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS images for 7200? 2500? [7:60284] Chuck, It definitely is an

Re: MPLS images for 7200? 2500? [7:60284]

2003-01-05 Thread Paul Jin
Chuck, It definitely is an unsupported image. It is an image that Cisco created internally for some testing only. Most of people at Cisco don't even know the image exists.. I know, I even opened a TAC ticket to locate this image and they told me that it did not exist even though I specifically m

RE: MPLS images for 7200? 2500? [7:60284]

2003-01-04 Thread Vicuna, Mark
d releases to be honest. cheers, M -Original Message- From: The Long and Winding Road [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS images for 7200? 2500? [7:60284] hey, Mark, thanks for the tip. I read Dennis' pdf, and c

Re: MPLS images for 7200? 2500? [7:60284]

2003-01-04 Thread Charles
not exactly what you want but... the 12.2.12a enterprise plus image works on the 3620's have you tried using cisco's feature navigator (www.cisco.com/go/fn) a colleague mentioned it to me when I was struggling with the new 'software advisor' I hope that helps! if you do find a working ima

Re: MPLS images for 7200? 2500? [7:60284]

2003-01-04 Thread The Long and Winding Road
hey, Mark, thanks for the tip. I read Dennis' pdf, and checked out both the web sites mentioned. looks like this software has not been updated in quite a while. obviously it is unsupported. Chuck TANSTAAFL "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch" ""Vicuna, Mark"" wrote in message [EMAI

Re: MPLS images for 7200? 2500? [7:60284]

2003-01-04 Thread The Long and Winding Road
""neal r"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Thanks to the fellows at http://www.optimumdata.com I'm going to have > a lab with a mix of 72xx and 25xx available for the next week or two for > MPLS playtime with an eye on finishing that portion of my CCIP. > >I've

RE: MPLS images for 7200? 2500? [7:60284]

2003-01-04 Thread Vicuna, Mark
I know you can grab the mpls images for the 25xx series here: ftp-eng.cisco.com (anonymous) /rraszuk/specials c2500-js-l.20oct2001 c2500-p-l.20oct2001 c2500-p-l.tag Dennis L of course has his site http://home.attbi.com/~blaga/ Can't help you out specific for 72xx sorry.. cheers, Mark.

Re: MPLS VPN [7:60205]

2003-01-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And as a P router, can it? I do not have a OSM. "John Murphy" @groupstudy.com em 03/01/2003 11:24:41 Favor responder a "John Murphy" Enviado Por: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Assunto:Re: MPLS VPN [7:60205] Currently the 6500/7600 can o

Re: MPLS VPN [7:60205]

2003-01-03 Thread John Murphy
Currently the 6500/7600 can only function as a PE with an OSM. Assuming you have one, you would configure the ethernet port your 2500 is connecting to into a unique vlan, then configure one of the Gig-E ports on the OSM as your 'upstream' using dot1q encapsulation, and terminate your VRF there. I

RE: MPLS MTU [7:59280]

2002-12-16 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Mohamad saro wrote: > > when I put command MPLS MTU 1512 on both ends of a serial > interface and > try to ping from one side to the other with packet sizes > greater than > 1500 and less than or equal 1512 with don't fragment bit set > the packets > are dropped any ideas? How are you specifying

Re: mpls ios files /special [7:57910]

2002-11-23 Thread Reinhold Fischer
ftp to ftp-eng.cisco.com (anonymous login) cd /rraszuk/specials here they are: -rw-r--r-- 1 23115eng 12940544 Feb 15 2002 c2500-js-l.20oct2001 -rw-r--r-- 1 23115eng 8303380 Feb 15 2002 c2500-p-l.20oct2001 -rw-r--r-- 1 23115eng 7973476 Feb 15 2002 c2500-p-l.t

Re: MPLS on low-end hardware [7:56487]

2002-10-30 Thread Umar Ahmed
Guys, What is the minimal flash/ram memory needed to run this code on a 26xx. Rgds, Umar. ""Reinhold Fischer"" wrote in message news:200210300723.HAA11457@;groupstudy.com... > Michael, > > if it is only for lab/learning purpose you can use the 12.0S > images from ftp-eng.cisco.com. They are not

Re: MPLS on low-end hardware [7:56487]

2002-10-29 Thread Reinhold Fischer
Michael, if it is only for lab/learning purpose you can use the 12.0S images from ftp-eng.cisco.com. They are not supported by cisco, but work quite well. Use anonymous login and look under /isp Note: The cisco2500 image does not have too much MPLS features built in. No problems with the 2600 im

Re: MPLS on low-end hardware [7:56487]

2002-10-29 Thread nrf
""Michael Vasilenko"" wrote in message news:200210292058.UAA00599@;groupstudy.com... > Hello! > > One question - is it possible to run MPLS (edge or LSR) on 26xx? > Any experience? Right IOS? Sure, it's just flaky. And not surprisingly MPLS is not officially supported by Cisco on 26xx's, so if y

RE: MPLS and QOS study materials for R&S Written [7:56099]

2002-10-23 Thread Jennifer Mellone
I was thinking of using the appropriate sections of the QoS Configuration Guide and Multiservice Configuration Guide (IOS 12.1) from the Cisco CD/Web. I figure they need to be read for the lab anyway (that's why I picked IOS 12.1). I started reading the QoS guide, and it has theory in the beginnin

Re: MPLS and QOS study materials for R&S Written [7:56099]

2002-10-22 Thread Matthew Poole
I used IP QOS from Ciscopress ISBN:1578701163 I relied on CCO for MPLS ""Jayagiri B Nair"" wrote in message news:200210221916.TAA17048@;groupstudy.com... > Hello friends, > > Please anybody could suggest the best books for mpls and qos topics for the > R&S written exam? > Any news about the new

Re: MPLS for 2500 - almost (filename) [7:55988]

2002-10-20 Thread Dennis Laganiere
The file name is "MPLS for the 2500.ZIP" and it's in the "/" rather then "/upload" area... --- Dennis - Original Message - From: "Desmond" To: "Dennis Laganiere" Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: Re: MPLS for 2500 -

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene
At 03:12 AM 10/1/2002 +, nrf wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been involved in Formal International Standards Bodies, where > > the Camel was developed as a functional specification for a Mouse. > > The market and the world are far faster than the carriers would like > > it to be. > >Here I must di

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-04 Thread nrf
""Peter van Oene"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > At 06:04 PM 9/30/2002 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: > >I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a routing > >protocol at all? Obviously, the forwarding of traffic doesn't use it. > >Fo

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene
At 06:04 PM 9/30/2002 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: >I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a routing >protocol at all? Obviously, the forwarding of traffic doesn't use it. >Forwarding is based on the labels. Is it for the label distribution >component? Couldn't tha

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-01 Thread nrf
> > > > > Which is why I believe that any new carrier-style technology that is > > directed towards the Internet will achieve unnecessarily slow adoption by > > the carriers. Now don't get me wrong, MPLS will be adopted, the real > > question is how quickly. If much of the work on MPLS is done

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-01 Thread Chuck's Long Road
one last shot before going to work ( below ): ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > snip a bit > Here I must disagree. The fact is the traditional carriers basically are > the market, in the sense that they are the ones with money to spend. It > doesn'

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Chuck's Long Road
""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > >I got an even more fundamental question - why does MPLS require IP at snip a bit > > I've been involved in Formal International Standards Bodies, where > the Camel was developed as a functional specific

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
> > > > I've been involved in Formal International Standards Bodies, where > the Camel was developed as a functional specification for a Mouse. > The market and the world are far faster than the carriers would like > it to be. Here I must disagree. The fact is the traditional carriers basically

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Peter van Oene
What was the question? At 08:25 PM 9/30/2002 +, Kohli, Jaspreet wrote: >Thank You everyone for the valuable input . This has helped me put the issue >in the correct prospective !!! > > >Cheers > > >Jaspreet > _ > >Consultant > >Andrew N

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
> > >I got an even more fundamental question - why does MPLS require IP at >all? >> >At the risk of starting a religious way, it's not called Internet >Protocol >> >Label Switching, it's Multi-protocol label switching. MPLS has >effectively >> >become a feature of IP, as opposed to a generali

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>Jelly doughnut? I don't get it - I thought he was talking about the Shiite >population in Iran which dominated news a couple decades ago with the rise >of the Ayatollah Khomeini... > >A Berliner, er, jelly doughnut sounds a bit tasty, though... JFK sure >thought so - especially in Germany... JFK

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Creighton Bill-BCREIGH1
Bill Creighton CCNP Senior System Engineer Motorola iDEN CNRC Packet Data MPS -Original Message- From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507] >""Howard C. Berkowitz&q

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> At 7:11 PM + 9/30/02, nrf wrote: >> >""Robert Edmonds"" wrote in message >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> >> In a large organization, I would recommend OSPF anyway. It's >gener

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
""Kent Yu"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ""nrf"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > [snip] > > > > And I think this functionality was sadly lost. Not the transport > > functionality, but the path-setup functionality. I think m

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Chuck's Long Road
""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > At 7:11 PM + 9/30/02, nrf wrote: > >""Robert Edmonds"" wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> In a large organization, I would recommend OSPF anyway. It's generally > >>

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 7:11 PM + 9/30/02, nrf wrote: >""Robert Edmonds"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> In a large organization, I would recommend OSPF anyway. It's generally >> considered to be more scalable the EIGRP. > >Well, shyeeet, if you REALLY want scalability in an

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Kent Yu
""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... [snip] > > And I think this functionality was sadly lost. Not the transport > functionality, but the path-setup functionality. I think more work needs to > be done on the ATM side of things to make MPLS more palatable to car

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>""Haakon Claassen (hclaasse)"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> Perhaps the Multi protocol >> >> Is in regards to the fact that it can support multiple routing contexts >> (one per vrf) > >That's a pretty weak definition of 'multiprotocol'. > >More to the poin

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a routing >protocol at all? To determine the potential topologies over which end-to-end, and alternate (e.g., shared risk groups) paths can be established, and THEN to which labels can be assigned on a node-by-node basis. >Obvi

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Kohli, Jaspreet
Thank You everyone for the valuable input . This has helped me put the issue in the correct prospective !!! Cheers Jaspreet _ Consultant Andrew NZ Inc Box 50 691, Porirua Wellington 6230, New Zealand Phone +64 4 238 0723 Fax +64

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a routing > protocol at all? Obviously, the forwarding of traffic doesn't use it. > Forwarding is based on the labels. Is it for the label dis

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
> >I got an even more fundamental question - why does MPLS require IP at all? > >At the risk of starting a religious way, it's not called Internet Protocol > >Label Switching, it's Multi-protocol label switching. MPLS has effectively > >become a feature of IP, as opposed to a generalized control-

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
""Haakon Claassen (hclaasse)"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Perhaps the Multi protocol > > Is in regards to the fact that it can support multiple routing contexts > (one per vrf) That's a pretty weak definition of 'multiprotocol'. More to the point, even if yo

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
""Robert Edmonds"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > In a large organization, I would recommend OSPF anyway. It's generally > considered to be more scalable the EIGRP. Well, shyeeet, if you REALLY want scalability in an IGP, then there's only one answer - ISIS.

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a routing protocol at all? Obviously, the forwarding of traffic doesn't use it. Forwarding is based on the labels. Is it for the label distribution component? Couldn't that be done with manual configuration? Priscilla nrf wrote: >

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 2:52 AM + 9/30/02, nrf wrote: >""Chuck's Long Road"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> hey, friends, I'm always interested in learning something I didn't know >> before. not claiming to know a whole lot about MPLS, but in terms of >> operation, MPLS opera

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread YASSER ALY
>From the SP point of view either use OSPF or ISIS for scalability, standards and QoS features. For example only these two protocols will allow you to do traffic engineering with MPLS over your backbone. From the client point side EIGRP is not one of the protocols to be used between PE-CE.

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Willy Schoots
Hi, The question should be what you want to do with MPLS, so what is the reason you want to implement MPLS in the first place. - MPLS VPN's: EIGRP could be used - Make core BGP free: EIGRP can be used - MPLS Traffic Engineering: EIGRP can NOT be used, only OSPF/ISIS For the first 2 you could u

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Haakon Claassen (hclaasse)
Diegem (Belgium) -Original Message- From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: maandag 30 september 2002 4:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507] ""Chuck's Long Road"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECT

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Haakon Claassen (hclaasse)
Cisco Systems De Kleetlaan 6b - Pegasus Park B-1831 Diegem (Belgium) -Original Message- From: Chuck's Long Road [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: maandag 30 september 2002 3:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Robert Edmonds
In a large organization, I would recommend OSPF anyway. It's generally considered to be more scalable the EIGRP. ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ""Chuck's Long Road"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > hey, friends, I'm a

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread nrf
""Chuck's Long Road"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > hey, friends, I'm always interested in learning something I didn't know > before. not claiming to know a whole lot about MPLS, but in terms of > operation, MPLS operates on top of a routing protocol, any routing

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Chuck's Long Road
hey, friends, I'm always interested in learning something I didn't know before. not claiming to know a whole lot about MPLS, but in terms of operation, MPLS operates on top of a routing protocol, any routing protocol, correct? Requires that CEF is enabled, at least in the Cisco world, but any old

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Theodore Stout
If you can find the e-mail address, go ask Ivan Pepelnjak. If there is one person in Cisco who knows that answer, it is him. Theo "Kohli, Jaspreet" Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/30/2002 09:15 AM Please respond to "Kohli, Jaspreet" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:

RE: MPLS on 2500 [7:54246]

2002-09-26 Thread Mike Martins
no, there is only one image that can run MPLS on 25xx's and it was not developed for release, it is used only internally in Cisco. 25xx were not designed for MPLS. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=54266&t=54246 -- FA

RE: MPLS for 2500 [7:53353]

2002-09-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AFAIK no 2500 images will support MPLS, only the 2600 and above Francois -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Medley Sent: Wednesday, 18 September 2002 2:53 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MPLS for 2500 [7:53353] So has anyone

RE: MPLS for 2500 [7:53353]

2002-09-17 Thread Tim Medley
From: Tom Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS for 2500 [7:53353] If I understand this correctly, cisco routers support this RFC 3032 feature. Then the next question is, Do any Cisco routers support VoMPLS, where lines w

Re: MPLS for 2500 [7:53353]

2002-09-17 Thread Tom Scott
2 4:41 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: MPLS for 2500 [7:53353] > > > MPLS'ers, > > Assuming you find the IOS that supports MPLS on the 2500 > or 2600, is it possible then to set up a little MPLS cloud > with HDLC or PPP links connecting the routers? >

RE: MPLS for 2500 [7:53353]

2002-09-17 Thread Larkin, Richard
]] Sent: Tuesday, 17 September 2002 4:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS for 2500 [7:53353] MPLS'ers, Assuming you find the IOS that supports MPLS on the 2500 or 2600, is it possible then to set up a little MPLS cloud with HDLC or PPP links connecting the routers? Alternativel

Re: MPLS Books [7:53255]

2002-09-17 Thread Chris Theiss
nal Message- > From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:18 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: MPLS Books [7:53255] > > Depends on what you want. It is my opinion that neither is really that > good. Don't get me wrong, they're OK,

RE: MPLS Books [7:53255]

2002-09-17 Thread Mark W. Odette II
lease make an addendum to your last post and tell us the name of the vendor that has these oh-so-wonderful white papers! Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS Books [7:53255]

Re: MPLS Books [7:53255]

2002-09-16 Thread nrf
Depends on what you want. It is my opinion that neither is really that good. Don't get me wrong, they're OK, but they certainly aren't worthy of touching Doyle, not by a long shot. The Pepelnjak one talks a lot about VPN's but makes absolutely no mention of TE. The Alwayn one talks about TE, i

Re: mpls-l2 vpn vs. vlan [7:49346]

2002-07-29 Thread Kent Yu
it or overload the capacity, they may not bother you for years, can a rotuer in an IP network do that? Kent - Original Message - From: "bbfaye" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:21 AM Subject: Re: mpls-l2 vpn vs. vlan [7:49346] > Kent, > I heard equant guys managing a

Re: mpls-l2 vpn vs. vlan [7:49346]

2002-07-25 Thread Kent Yu
Peter, > To me, its LANE all > over again, ie lets take a scalable, robust, intelligent technology and try > and bridge with it. As far as building MANs with Spanning Tree as your > control protocol, I might suggest that it will give you a real headache > from a scaling and provisioning standpo

Re: mpls-l2 vpn vs. vlan [7:49346]

2002-07-24 Thread bbfaye
In my impression,most switches can not afford to large number of 802.1q vlan trunk. hundreds of tunk vlan will cause the machine poor performance or crash. I suffer it with some intel's switches before. I heard cisco and other vendor suggest not to use too many vlan trunk in their machine. is it t

Re: mpls-l2 vpn vs. vlan [7:49346]

2002-07-23 Thread Peter van Oene
At 04:12 PM 7/23/2002 +, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: >At 1:46 PM + 7/23/02, Peter van Oene wrote: > >Before going down this road, I tend to wonder what drives people this > >direction. Exactly what is it about poorly scaling, flat networks that > >turn people on? > >My impression is that i

Re: mpls-l2 vpn vs. vlan [7:49346]

2002-07-23 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 1:46 PM + 7/23/02, Peter van Oene wrote: >Before going down this road, I tend to wonder what drives people this >direction. Exactly what is it about poorly scaling, flat networks that >turn people on? My impression is that it is an unholy alliance of traditional telcos and traditional ve

Re: mpls-l2 vpn vs. vlan [7:49346]

2002-07-23 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 1:46 PM + 7/23/02, Kent Yu wrote: >I cannot see any problem using vlan from your access layer up to the >aggregation point, as long as the PE has enough capacity to hold the routes. >If necessary, you can always use several PEs in one location to spread out >your aggregation, you may want t

Re: mpls-l2 vpn vs. vlan [7:49346]

2002-07-23 Thread Peter van Oene
Before going down this road, I tend to wonder what drives people this direction. Exactly what is it about poorly scaling, flat networks that turn people on? Last I checked, IP did a pretty decent job of providing a robust means of interconnection between remote sites. To me, its LANE all ov

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