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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:09 PM
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Subject: Is Apple really moving to x86 architechture?!
Hello All,
I just had to add one more thought on this subject, and wanted to see
if anyone agrees. After reading all the input from this invaluable
From: Zoltan Batiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just had to add one more thought on this subject,
and wanted to see if anyone agrees.
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I agree with you Zoltan.
I think anyone who thinks in the lines of a Mac becoming
just another PC box because the CPU is made by Intel is
more than just a little
Please remember all the hoopla about Apple shifting to Unix with OSX.
Cries of doomsday and a big Wass'up.
Apple shifting to an open system???
It's all been uphill pretty much.
The biggest problem Apple had with Motorola/IBM was delivering a faster chip
for their laptops, one of the bigger
all!
Best regards,
Scott
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From: Zoltan Batiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Is Apple really moving to x86 architechture?!
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:09:09 -0700
Hello All,
I just had to add one more thought on this subject, and wanted
At 09:09 PM -0700 06/16/2005, Zoltan Batiz wrote:
I have come to a very logical and realistic conclusion:
The proverbial gap between PC's and Mac's will not change. In fact,
I honestly think that NOTHING will change at all.
The Mac's market share will decrease, just like it did during the
On Jun 17, 2005, at 11:14 AM, Michael J. Amato [c] wrote:
Please remember all the hoopla about Apple shifting to Unix with OSX.
Cries of doomsday and a big Wass'up.
90% of the people I know were not calling doomsday, but more like
'YeeeHAW!!! ABOUT FREAKIN'TIME!!!'
There seems to be
Hello All,
I just had to add one more thought on this subject, and wanted to see
if anyone agrees. After reading all the input from this invaluable
list group, and listening to the radio (Leo Laporte has said some VERY
interesting things when it comes to Apple moving to Intel on AM 640),
The bad - iLife iPhoto iDvd iNtel
The good - maybe now we can build a computer on our own to use OSX
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Mike Amato
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on 6/14/05 9:30 PM, Jess Batiz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 14, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Kristina wrote:
I still have my original apple decal that came with my SE 30 in 1989.
I never used it.
maybe I should pass it on
Kristina
Actually, Kristina. . .you could sell your sticker
Sorry for the double post...I just got excited...I will be listing it as
soon as I can remember how to connect my scanner back to my G3...Is it the
scanner first or the CD burner?
Kristina
Actually, Kristina. . .you could sell your sticker on eBay. Believe it
or not, they are worth money.
At 03:07 PM -0700 06/13/2005, Bruce Johnson wrote:
There's an article discussing this on Forbes' site today:
http://www.forbes.com/technology/2005/06/13/apple-intel-branding_cx_ah_0610apple.html
They point out that Apple has a higher brand recognition than Intel
does, that Intel may be
On Jun 14, 2005, at 1:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, you bring up a good point, why do people leave all those
stickers on their computers? Are they some sort of badge of honor?
Inertia is a powerful force.
Plus, taking them off usually involves some sort of sticky mess left
behind
At 02:13 PM -0400 06/14/2005, Timothy Luoma wrote:
On Jun 14, 2005, at 1:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, you bring up a good point, why do people leave all those
stickers on their computers? Are they some sort of badge of honor?
Inertia is a powerful force.
Plus, taking them off
On Jun 13, 2005, at 10:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, you bring up a good point, why do people leave all those
stickers on their computers? Are they some sort of badge of honor?
More like badges of courage on Windows machines! :-)
Like this
I still have my original apple decal that came with my SE 30 in 1989.
I never used it.
maybe I should pass it on
Kristina
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On Jun 14, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Kristina wrote:
I still have my original apple decal that came with my SE 30 in 1989.
I never used it.
maybe I should pass it on
Kristina
Actually, Kristina. . .you could sell your sticker on eBay. Believe it
or not, they are worth money. I had the original
OK FINE. You have all made excellent arguments. I just hope that
Intel's technology doesn't screw anything up. I also hope the future
Mac's are stuck with that stupid sticker, INTEL INSIDE. Yikes! (I
know this won't happen, at least not while Jobs is alive, but it's
funny anyway)
On Jun 13, 2005, at 12:33 AM, Ben Dyer wrote:
The jury's still out on exactly what they'll do with the chipset,
whether it'll be a standard Intel type or custom-made for Apple,
but either way, it won't be too far removed (technologically) from
ordinary PC hardware.
This is one of the
-An old friend of mine and macs says that he welcomes the idea about as
much as making MacDonalds compulsory:)
-We are developers of software for Macs. Hope, Apple might be willing
to provide the developer kit at a lower price (or even at no charge.)
Surely they realize that without
Heh. I agree totally. It's nothing that terribly exciting. And I
don't think that Apple is stupid enough to do something that would
completely ostracize their loyal users like the people on this list.
I'm sure things will be just the same and with any luck you won't even
notice the
On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Ben Dyer wrote:
Personally, I'm looking forward to replacing my 1.67GHz PowerBook with
something roughly 3 times as fast (if what I've been hearing about OS
X performance on the developer boxes is correct) in about a year's
time. The transition will be a headache
At 10:08 PM -0400 6/12/05, Pacer wrote:
I feel the PowerPC was a bit more inherently stable (read some of
the notes on MacSlash about bit addressing) and the Altivec
instructions were likely a bit better for high-end number-crunching
(I've already read multiple worries from scientists who
On Jun 13, 2005, at 9:59 AM, Dan O'Donnell wrote:
On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Ben Dyer wrote:
Personally, I'm looking forward to replacing my 1.67GHz PowerBook
with something roughly 3 times as fast (if what I've been hearing
about OS X performance on the developer boxes is correct) in
Most PeeCee users are too stupid for the Mac community
ANYWAY.
Now, I'm not so sure about that. I know some folks who claim
they use Macs because they weren't smart enough to keep track of all the
things one needs to do to get a windoze machine to work.
Zoltan,
I hope you meant that you hope future Macs are NOT stuck with that (I
will change the adjective to) irritating intel inside sticker.
I certainly prefer not to have any ads on my computers. I especially
prefer to have my Macs not resembling race cars.
Best regards,
Scott
OK FINE.
On Jun 13, 2005, at 2:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zoltan,
I hope you meant that you hope future Macs are NOT stuck with that
(I will change the adjective to) irritating intel inside sticker.
I certainly prefer not to have any ads on my computers. I
especially prefer to have my Macs
OOPS!! I DID MEAN NOT! Wow, now does that sound educated?! Of all
the ironic typos to happen, it seems I forgot to type one little word
that ended changing the point. . .not. Well Scott, at least you got
it. :)
Zoltan
THE BLUETOOTH (and WiFi) MASTER
Zoltan,
I hope you meant that you
Bruce,
That was a good article, thanks for posting that link. Which company
will benefit from branding is interesting to think about. I think both
can benefit if they respect each other and not try to rip each other
off (and not put intel inside stickers on the front or top of Macs!).
Which
On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:06 PM, Nancy Lawrence wrote:
Meanwhile, there is *one* guy on the whole of campus that I can go
to if I have trouble with my Apple product
That'll probably be plenty.
plus the only discount I get is the one Apple itself provides me.
You ought to be getting the same
Ok, I've watched the keynote address, read all the articles. I still
think Jobs is full of it. I can't believe that he's decided to switch
to Intel. This has me really nervous. Intel processors, despite the
crappy OS that Microsnot tries to make for it, are very unstable in the
virus
Dude, chill
Virus vulnerability is an OS problem, not a chip problem.
Second, no one has said, so far as I know, that the intel chips to be
used will be x86 chips, just that they will be intel. I forget who
pointed that out, but it was a very good point.
If you don't care about the newest
Well, there are some clues if you read enough of the fine print. I
too (as a poorly paid professor of electrical engineering in a
Canadian university and an Apple shareholder) would be rather annoyed
if Apple actually sold x86 Macs. But there is a more interesting
possibility.
Back when DEC
The processor is *NOT* the reason for viruses, the OS is. How many
viruses are written to attack a processor? None that I know. How many
viruses attack and utilize the OS? All that I know!
How many Linux *systems* with Intel processors are very unstable in
the virus sense? That's right, none.
On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:33 AM, Zoltan Batiz wrote:
Ok, I've watched the keynote address, read all the articles. I
still think Jobs is full of it. I can't believe that he's decided
to switch to Intel. This has me really nervous. Intel processors,
despite the crappy OS that Microsnot tries
Who cares if PowerPC is slower than Intel. Business Cares.
You can't stay in business if the compitiation is ahead of
you. No matter how you feel this is the best move Apple
could make. There's nothing you can do about it, so it
would be best to move on. Besides your still going to be
able to
On Jun 11, 2005, at 9:49 PM, Tim Collier wrote:
I've wondered if any of the people who are chiming on on this topic
watched the keynote address?
Though Apple is switching to Intel, is it going to be the 586 or
Pentium family of processors? Steve Jobs never said anything about
that.for
On Jun 12, 2005, at 6:33 AM, Zoltan Batiz wrote:
I am concerned that when Intel based Macs start rolling out in
'06 they are gonna be sitting ducks just waiting for the Intel-
versed hacker to start shooting.
Dude, lighten up!
There are no more going to be a flood of Mac viruses any
Thanks for all the input folks. I wanted to apologize for my rather
intense input on this subject. Did I mention subject? For some
reason, someone used this thread for another subject regarding schools
and their policies. PLEASE don't forget to change the subject line as
well.
Anyway,
My Fellow PowerBook-philes,
This is something I have been hearing a lot lately: Steve never said
it would necessarily be x86 architecture!
Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but it likely will be. More clues
point towards this than some other, fancier architecture.
For example: The
On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:33 AM, Zoltan Batiz wrote:
Ok, I've watched the keynote address, read all the articles. I
still think Jobs is full of it. I can't believe that he's decided
to switch to Intel. This has me really nervous. Intel processors,
despite the crappy OS that Microsnot
on 12/06/05 22:08, Pacer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My Fellow PowerBook-philes,
This is something I have been hearing a lot lately: Steve never said
it would necessarily be x86 architecture!
Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but it likely will be. More clues
point towards this than
My Fellow PowerBook-philes,
Not quite the case. In order to compile a universal binary, that
universal binary must have binary specific code for each architecture it
will be running on. The universal binaries Jobs spoke of at the WWDC
are for PowerPC and x86. They could include other
If you look at the Apple developer documentation for the switch,
you'll see that they will in fact be using standard x86 chips in
future Macs. Given the timeframe of the switch, and Intel's processor
roadmaps, I'm betting on them replacing G4s with the Yonah Pentium
M (32-bit 2.13GHz+,
Mac OS X runs fine on Intel. Steve Jobs is NOT a snakeoil salesman.
Mac OS X STARTED on Intel chips (well 68k, then Intel) !!! It was
originally called NeXTSTEP and ran on 68k hardware made buy NeXT
Computer (similar to the original Macs). It was ported to Intel in
1993. It ran just fine.
Hello all,
I have heard this now from more than one source. I was under the
impression that the rumor that Apple was going to eventually leave the
PowerPC architecture altogether was just a rumor. Please tell me this
isn't true. While this may not bother some Mac users, HALF of the
This is no longer a rumor, if you don't believe it check out Apple's
web site and look under their news articles. You can also check out
the keynote speech for the WWDC and hear Steve Jobs say it himself.
The iMac list and G-list have gone nuts with this topic, with tens to
hundreds of
No disrespect intended, but where have you been all week.
This is one of the biggest stories on the internet this
week. Apple is moving to Intel. See news stories and
Steve's speech at the WWDC It's a great move on Apple's
part. It will allow Apple to effectively complete against
Dell and
My daughter was forced to purchase on of those $799 PC laptops for her
college by the college and it is a piece of crap compared to my Powerbook.
It requires an extra card for almost everything bringing the $799 price up
with each purchase and it is HIGH MAINTINANCE to say the least, with all of
I find it interesting how fascist our higher education system is
becoming.
Brian
On Jun 11, 2005, at 6:14 PM, Tom Ethen wrote:
My daughter was forced to purchase on of those $799 PC laptops for her
college by the college and it is a piece of crap compared to my
Powerbook.
It requires an
Hey, they get them by the truckload for almost nothing and then force the
students to purchase them for full retail-I should say rent them for the
small fee of $500 each semester! Just another way for our Colleges to make
some extra cash, so their Professors won't have to teach more than two hours
Yes, except this type of policy seems to be spreading like wildfire.
Perhaps they could make a few $$ in a way that doesn't force students
into paying for cheap, worthless gear?
Brian
On Jun 11, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Tom Ethen wrote:
Hey, they get them by the truckload for almost nothing and
As well as this, some make the students give them back once they have
bought them when they graduate...
Some even go as far as banning non-approved laptops (often anything
except theirs) for fear of security issues and viruses...
On 12/06/2005, at 8:54 AM, Brian wrote:
Yes, except this
As I said: Fascist.
Brian
On Jun 11, 2005, at 6:41 PM, themacuser wrote:
As well as this, some make the students give them back once they
have bought them when they graduate...
Some even go as far as banning non-approved laptops (often anything
except theirs) for fear of security issues
Apple is indeed going to start using Intel processors sometime in
2006.
Check Apple's home page. Jobs made that announcement at the WWDC
Keynote last Monday.
However, there was no word about x86 architecture. Jobs only ever said
(purposefully?) Intel processors, conspicuously not mentioning
Actually, as I'm gearing up to being one of those potentially highly
paid Professors in the next year or so, I can attest first-hand to
the fact that money from the forced sale of IBM Thinkpads at my
school does not in any way see the light of day in anyone in my
department's paycheck. I
You bring up an excellent point- college professors, while some can
be quite fascist-like in their classrooms, are not particularly paid
well. Generally speaking, a person with a PHD will do better in the
open market than in a school.
What's more, they do not make policy. Odds are they
I've wondered if any of the people who are chiming on on this topic
watched the keynote address?
Though Apple is switching to Intel, is it going to be the 586 or
Pentium family of processors? Steve Jobs never said anything about
that.for all we know it could be a whole different
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