Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread msleeper
Okay let me get this straight. It's "okay" to use fake clients as long as you aren't using them as hard as the other guy. It's "okay" to not use proper tags on your server as long as you aren't lying too much. It's "okay" to bend the rules just because, like, Valve isn't fair and they should mak

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Essay Tew Phaun
Lotus and Skial both run clean servers. I can personally vouch for Lotus as I not long ago played there all the time. Some other communities though, on the other hand.. Let's just hope Fletcher and Co do something about the reports I and others have made sooner rather than later. _

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
ou do. I sincerely apologize and I should of contacted you about the issue first. - Original Message - From: bottige...@gmail.com To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:03:12 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effec

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread bottige...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:41:38 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without > tags OK? > > > > Disable bots. > > > >> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:40:26 -0400 >> From: pettit.t...@gmail.com >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftwar

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Essay Tew Phaun
There are reports of it. I think I googled it some time ago and it's been a bug for a few years now. It happens if you set the bots to join the server without humans. Let me see if I can find it. http://forum.i3d.net/hlds-valve-windows-newsletter/153873-hlds-bug-bots-attack-defense-respawn-times.h

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
8:41:38 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? Disable bots. > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:40:26 -0400 > From: pettit.t...@gmail.com > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Resp

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Jay Singh
Disable bots. > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:40:26 -0400 > From: pettit.t...@gmail.com > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without > tags OK? > > If you can point me to where this is cited and a fix I

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
31, 2012 8:24:54 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? You probably have bots. As I said, bots mess with the spawn times. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Todd Pettit < pettit.t...@gmail.com > wrote: Ok, I might be way off base here th

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Brian Simon
times are default. Am I missing something? > > - Original Message - > From: "Essay Tew Phaun" > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" < > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:15:17 PM > Subject: Re: [hld

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
ed Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:15:17 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? Should probably stop. This thread has a lot of valid complaints and some good thoughts. Let'

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Essay Tew Phaun
Should probably stop. This thread has a lot of valid complaints and some good thoughts. Let's not ruin it completely. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
; < hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:28:56 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? Skial is fully complaint with the policy of truth. I have to ask whether you are familiar with the fact that a default respawn

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Asher Baker
The mailing list isn't the place for petty fights between your "communities", please take it elsewhere. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Essay Tew Phaun wrote: > Well, I'm too good to die 40 times in a row, so there would be no way for me > to figure out. > > :) > > _

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Brian Simon
t are the chances of the blu > respawn time being 8 seconds 40x in a row? Call out these hacks. > > - Original Message - > From: bottige...@gmail.com > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" < > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Sent: Tues

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Essay Tew Phaun
Well, I'm too good to die 40 times in a row, so there would be no way for me to figure out. :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
seconds 40x in a row? Call out these hacks. - Original Message - From: bottige...@gmail.com To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:28:56 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
plugin doesn't make you compliant. - Original Message - From: bottige...@gmail.com To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:28:56 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? Skial is

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Essay Tew Phaun
Maybe they should get whoever is writing those novel length blog posts to take 10 minutes to survey some of the servers reported for fake clients. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valve

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread G. Hutchinson
it would be pretty snazzy to see fast respawn not penalized as severely as long as the tag was present. Someone a bit earlier back posted a nicely written observance that summarily stated this: If you run a community and pay it attention, have good admins, are an enjoyable personality(s), then

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread bottige...@gmail.com
t; If you don't know the speed limit does that excuse you from a speeding > ticket? NO! > > > - Original Message - > From: "E. Olsen" > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:46:26 PM > S

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
you sure are in violation. I submitted the report to Valve. - Original Message - From: "Brian Simon" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:05:31 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn wi

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
Bull! Since when? This afternoon. What a crock! - Original Message - From: "Brian Simon" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:05:31 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Essay Tew Phaun
You're making the assumption that because people are here complaining about servers and communities breaking a policy that we have servers dead 24/7. It's just quite annoying having communities outright breaking the policy, getting reported (multiple times) and still nothing is done about it. I kn

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Kit Parenteau
Okay, seriously guys, this list's occupants are great most of the time, but sometimes a thread makes me feel like I'm on the World of Warcraft forums. Speculation is fun and all, but until an official statement comes in, that's all it can be: Speculation. Just please, before posting, think a

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Brian Simon
> > - Original Message - > From: "E. Olsen" > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" < > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:46:26 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn with

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
from populated servers to seek out a compliant server. - Original Message - From: "ics" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:41:23 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? M

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread ics
Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:51:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? So in light of what you just implied on 32 slot servers running fast respawn and faking it, i had my own 30 slot servers forcibly turned t

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread ics
; To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:29:18 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? Yeah I kind of feel like an outright ban for the spawn timing thing is slightly overkill. But, at

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
- Original Message - From: "ics" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:51:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? So in light of what you just implied on 32 slot

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
does that excuse you from a speeding ticket? NO! - Original Message - From: "E. Olsen" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:46:26 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without t

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread ics
and send a message. - Original Message - From: "Essay Tew Phaun" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:29:18 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? Yeah I kind of f

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread E. Olsen
I just think people have to be careful in thinking that everything comes down to back & white. I'll give you a specific example: A few months ago when I had the fast respawn plugin we use re-written by a Sorucemod coder to insure it added the proper sv_tags, an error was introduced that went unnot

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
the major violators and send a message. - Original Message - From: "Essay Tew Phaun" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:29:18 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Essay Tew Phaun
Yeah I kind of feel like an outright ban for the spawn timing thing is slightly overkill. But, at the same time, this policy has been in place long enough to where you would think there aren't any Admins/Owners who aren't aware of it. That seems to make it more of a foul in my opinion. What I'm re

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
a ticket. - Original Message - From: "E. Olsen" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:52:00 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? Meh - I think "delisting/ba

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread ics
Fair thing would be following the rules that Valve has placed in. Obviously there always will be rulebreakers but their numbers would significantly decrease either by temporarely punishements or by more permanent. Obviously there will be those who get banned and say "Valve killed our servers"

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread E. Olsen
Meh - I think "delisting/banning" servers for merely altered spawn times is killing a mosquito with a sledgehammer. Remove them from quickplay? Sure - why not...but if their only "violation" (which, I would guess, many server operators are ignorant of) is changing spawn times, then the thing that p

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
mp_respawnwatimes "3" to a map config and then the reporting is handled for you. - Original Message - From: "ics" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:29:31 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect?

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
Olsen" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:25:23 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? The point is - that's impossible to do fairly. We DO run that plugin, but on the maps

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
Message - From: "ics" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:15:41 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? I think that these plugins that Todd posted are really breaking the rules o

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread ics
It's failrly easy. If you enable that plugin that breaks the rules, you disable quickplay traffic with cvar tf_server_identity_disable_quickplay 1. In that case, you do not break the rules. How can you expect Valve to save you if the plugin creators are ignorant of their rules. What you are as

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread E. Olsen
The point is - that's impossible to do fairly. We DO run that plugin, but on the maps where it is disabled (i.e. "sm_respawn_time_enabled "0") that plugin is technically still RUNNING, but since fast respawn is disabled, the sv_tag is not set. See my point - you can't just poll a bunch of servers

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
don't care. - Original Message - From: "E. Olsen" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:58:23 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? Of course I agree that rules sh

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread ics
I think that these plugins that Todd posted are really breaking the rules of quickplay and the owners should be punished accordingly. They might not do it willingly, might have just grabbed a plugin and now know about the rules of quickplay. Then again, if they registered their servers to recei

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Essay Tew Phaun
Olsen, it sounds more to me like you've been building your community for a while, possibly even before Quickplay and have a very solid group of players. Nowadays, most veteran TF2 players have their own community servers they visit. I'd wager a guess to say it's nearly impossible to build a server

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread E. Olsen
Of course I agree that rules should apply to everyone equally. However, saying that a "*a 32 player server using mp_respawnwavetimes has no chance against violators of the policy.*" isn't even remotely true. I'm looking at 10 of my servers that are full (32-players) right now that have the followi

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
the rules should apply to us all. - Original Message - From: "Phillip Vector" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:28:56 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? They ha

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Essay Tew Phaun
I'd generally agree with you on everything other than fake players that are specifically designed to FOOL the system that decides whether players should be sent to it in the first place. No players? No problem, we'll load Fake Players. If no one reports those servers for breaking a policy, nothing

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
rver mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:38:36 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? Yeah - let's not start saying that simply using that plugin is in violation of the rules, bud. We run it, but we have modified it to insu

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Phillip Vector
They have the choice. It's called the server browser. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:21 AM, E. Olsen wrote: > This is where, IMHO, Valve is sending the wrong message with Quickplay. > While I fully understand that they created and optimized the game for 24 > players, and they want to push people to p

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread E. Olsen
That's what the "server score" system is for. If player's constantly leave a server as soon as they are placed in it, that server's score will rapidly decline, and it will get less and less traffic - which is the best way to do it. Valve has had the wisdom to (for the most part) allow the players t

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Cameron Munroe
This is why I think there should be a Modded game tag for the servers. Or at least some tag for the major plugins. i.e. Saxton Hale, Freak Fortress. The fact is that were not trying to scoop up players into a mode that they don't want to be in as they will instantly leave. On 7/31/2012 10:38 A

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Essay Tew Phaun
I think he was just saying the ones that do not modify the tags correctly are breaking the rules. > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread E. Olsen
Yeah - let's not start saying that simply using that plugin is in violation of the rules, bud. We run it, but we have modified it to insure the "respawn_times" is added to the server browser when it is enabled (we also add the "noquickplay" tag for good measure). Running that plugin is NOT a violat

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Essay Tew Phaun
Yeah this kind of thing I consider a 'minor' violation. Similar to someone winding up on a Saxton Hale server and it's on a stock map. It'd be really hard for them to actively monitor for this. Fake players on the other hand.. I've sent several reports to Fletcher about some servers and he has ack

[hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK?

2012-07-31 Thread Todd Pettit
I am aware that a couple months ago several servers were de-listed for 6 weeks for using FakeClients and Bot plugins. I am curious though if there is every going to be any enforcement of this part of the policy: "· Interfering with the mechanisms that advertise modifications to gameplay rules in

Re: [hlds] Policy of truth

2012-05-18 Thread Saint K .
: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list (hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com) Cc: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list (hlds@list.valvesoftware.com) Subject: [hlds] Policy of truth Last week the TF2 team banned some server groups that were in violation of the Policy of

Re: [hlds] Policy of truth

2012-05-17 Thread ics
They have never shared detailed information which servers/groups break the rules and i doubt they ever will. But this is awesome news anyway for everyone who stands in clear waters with their own servers. -ics 18.5.2012 3:36, Cameron Munroe kirjoitti: is there a page listing these groups? On

Re: [hlds] Policy of truth

2012-05-17 Thread Cameron Munroe
is there a page listing these groups? On May 17, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Fletcher Dunn wrote: > Last week the TF2 team banned some server groups that were in violation of > the Policy of Truth. > > We received numerous complaints from server operators about a handful of > servers, and we investigate

[hlds] Policy of truth

2012-05-17 Thread Fletcher Dunn
Last week the TF2 team banned some server groups that were in violation of the Policy of Truth. We received numerous complaints from server operators about a handful of servers, and we investigated those reports. Any action we have taken was based upon violations that we witnessed firsthand.

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-06 Thread Crazed Gunman
Custom servers add great additional elements of gameplay that many new players are in some ways being driven away from because so many of them stick to the quickplay list. I'm pretty sure we can all admit that the server browser can be intimidating, thousands of servers, with only a smidgen of

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Cc2iscooL
- > > *From:* **hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com** [mailto:** > hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com**] *On Behalf Of *1nsane > *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2012 5:56 PM > > *To:* **Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list** > *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Policy of Tru

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Team BOOM!
re.com] On Behalf Of 1nsane Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 5:56 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth?? And how many are connections to idle or trade servers? :P On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Cc2iscooL wrote: Quoted from Fletcher on the subject of

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread 1nsane
currently showing up on my server list and that would help >> even more. >> >> ** ** >> >> Just my 2-cents. Your thoughts? >> >> - Mike >> >> ** ** >> -- >> >> *From:* **hlds-boun...@l

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Cc2iscooL
would help > even more. > > ** ** > > Just my 2-cents. Your thoughts? > > - Mike > > ** ** > -- > > *From:* **hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com** [mailto:** > hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com**] *On Behalf Of *E. Olsen > *Sen

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Team BOOM!
ike _ From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of E. Olsen Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:59 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth?? Yeah - let's not paint communities whose membe

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread E. Olsen
/24. We too dislike the kicking reserved slots. > >>> > >>> --Gavin "Benny Hill" L from the Crit Sandvich Network > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Invalid Protocol > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> As

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread bottige...@gmail.com
ost of them simply sell something (access to reserved slot, immunity >>>> during humiliation round etc…) for real money and call this a donation. >>>> Also, as far as I know, No Heroes servers can kick a player to free a slot >>>> for a “donator” >>>> (http

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread E. Olsen
ervers can kick a player to free a slot >>> for a “donator” ( >>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1531500), so in >>> their case is “pay to play” instead “pay to win”. >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valv

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Cc2iscooL
;> their case is “pay to play” instead “pay to win”. >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: >> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *E. Olsen >> *Sent:* Saturday, May 05, 2012 12:59 AM >> >> *To:* Half-

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Gavin Langdon
php?t=1531500), so in > their case is “pay to play” instead “pay to win”. > > ** ** > > *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *E. Olsen > *Sent:* Saturday, May 05, 2012 12:59 AM > >

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Invalid Protocol
-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of E. Olsen Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 12:59 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth?? Yeah - let's not paint communities whose members donate to support their servers as something negative. Comm

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread E. Olsen
Yeah - let's not paint communities whose members donate to support their servers as something negative. Community supported servers are as old as pc gaming itself. Not all communities that are member-supported are "pay to win". We sure as hell aren't. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:05 PM, ics wrote: >

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Cc2iscooL
No offense there bud but a good community doesn't need fake clients to keep their servers full. On May 4, 2012 3:29 PM, "shawn" wrote: > Personally, I kinda feel cheated by all of this...Valve asked us to get > rid of our fake playercount plugin (that actually kept our servers full), > we did, an

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread ics
So what about servers that never have run fake player plugin, never have asked donations or never had given fake hats or anykind of that sort of stuff to players to wear. How come those servers can have them full of players before and after if you cannot without any "dirty" tricks? -ics 4.5.2

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread James Goetz
t;> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: >>>> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *proto type >>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2012 7:58 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailin

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread shawn
Personally, I kinda feel cheated by all of this...Valve asked us to get rid of our fake playercount plugin (that actually kept our servers full), we did, and now most of our servers are empty... Before that, we raised money by asking for donations, and gave donators access to hats on JUST our

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread 1nsane
ieved from Valve.** >>> ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: >>> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *proto type >>> *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2012 7:58 PM >>> >>> *T

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Lambda
** ** >> >> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: >> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *proto type >> *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2012 7:58 PM >> >> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Policy

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread 1nsane
ed Win32 server mailing list > *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth?? > > ** ** > > Feels like they penalized some servers not the others. Groups like Lotus > and ProTF2 are not only running BOTS and fakeclients but ProTF2 is also &

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Invalid Protocol
...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of proto type Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:58 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth?? Feels like they penalized some servers not the others. Groups like Lotus and ProTF2 are not only running BOTS and fakeclients but ProTF2 is

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread proto type
#x27;s TOS. The way I look at it is if > Valve wanted hat effects out, they would have done so during the hatless > update. > > -- > Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:58:14 -0400 > From: prototypefr...@gmail.com > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject:

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Jay Singh
..@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth?? Feels like they penalized some servers not the others. Groups like Lotus and ProTF2 are not only running BOTS and fakeclients but ProTF2 is also using credit mod which i thought was against Valve's TOS. On

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread E. Olsen
None of that stuff makes much sense to me. Frankly, it sounds like way too much work. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:58 PM, proto type wrote: > Feels like they penalized some servers not the others. Groups like Lotus > and ProTF2 are not only running BOTS and fakeclients but ProTF2 is also > using cre

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread proto type
Feels like they penalized some servers not the others. Groups like Lotus and ProTF2 are not only running BOTS and fakeclients but ProTF2 is also using credit mod which i thought was against Valve's TOS. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:52 PM, E. Olsen wrote: > I'm really not sure why people act surpris

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread E. Olsen
I'm really not sure why people act surprised when they get penalized for these things. Fletcher was pretty clear what kinds of things they would be penalizing for: Fake clients, making bots look like real players, and failing to set the correct tags when you have fast respawn enabled. We were guil

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread zach isaac
CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!!! On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:31 AM, ics wrote: > Valve did not punish from running fake clients, they still don't. It's > some sort of compromise (which i don't really understand as a community > that puts effort into running servers will have full servers an

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread ics
They don't have to report. Every time that client connects to a server, the server cannot lie to Valve any longer. If data from client vs server differs, they will know about it. They just haven't acted upon it much lately. PS: if someone from Valve reads this, you cannot report do a report by

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread ics
Valve did not punish from running fake clients, they still don't. It's some sort of compromise (which i don't really understand as a community that puts effort into running servers will have full servers anyway). -ics 4.5.2012 19:29, Charles Mabbott kirjoitti: In a nutshell: When the policy

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Lance Waidzunas
The FBI has already been scrambled dude. It's too late. Hide yo kids and hide yo wife, OP is releasing his videos on the YouTubes. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Charles Mabbott wrote: > In a nutshell: > > When the policy of Truth was enacted, TF2 servers that were hiding bots, > Fake Client

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Jesse Porter
Are people actually reporting these servers to valve? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Charles Mabbott
In a nutshell: When the policy of Truth was enacted, TF2 servers that were hiding bots, Fake Client counts and so forth were removed from the server browser, the OP server community was effectively removed because of this. This admin is now pissed since he can find other servers in the browser th

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread m33crob
I think you guys are possibly focusing too much on the OP. I had a discussion a few days ago with an admin from a different very large community about this topic. I do not believe that this is specific to Wonka Gaming. My interpretation of these events is that: because the Policy of Truth is not

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Brodie
I second this; would really love to understand what OP was going on about. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:42 AM, jainil shah wrote: > can somebody tl:dr what op is trying to say? > sorry, i am not a tf2 player. i operate cs 1.6 servers. > > this thread as been buzzing my phone alot and now i wanna kno

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Itaku
Someone complaining about his server getting deleted under policy of truth. On May 4, 2012 11:42 AM, "jainil shah" wrote: > can somebody tl:dr what op is trying to say? > sorry, i am not a tf2 player. i operate cs 1.6 servers. > > this thread as been buzzing my phone alot and now i wanna know wha

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread jainil shah
can somebody tl:dr what op is trying to say? sorry, i am not a tf2 player. i operate cs 1.6 servers. this thread as been buzzing my phone alot and now i wanna know whats going on On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:39 AM, EvilMacGuyver wrote: > I would buy a ticket to watch this but I know the match would

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread EvilMacGuyver
I would buy a ticket to watch this but I know the match would only last a minute. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Jethro Seabridge wrote: > And Wonka Gaming get to call the FBI to scramble their network. > > > On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Itaku wrote: > >> I think there is only one appropria

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Jethro Seabridge
And Wonka Gaming get to call the FBI to scramble their network. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Itaku wrote: > I think there is only one appropriate action to this entire thing. > > Valve employees vs Wonka Gaming in an arena match. > > And Valve gets to use the Valve weapons. > On May 4, 2012

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread Itaku
I think there is only one appropriate action to this entire thing. Valve employees vs Wonka Gaming in an arena match. And Valve gets to use the Valve weapons. On May 4, 2012 7:40 AM, "zach isaac" wrote: > Well would you look at the time. *Looks at his watch, revealing its > banhammer o'clock* >

Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth??

2012-05-04 Thread zach isaac
Well would you look at the time. *Looks at his watch, revealing its banhammer o'clock* On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:02 PM, admin wrote: > *Is Policy of Truth still in effect? Because I see users with fakeclient > spoof + bot join time running * > * > * > * > * > *ON WELL OVER 80 SERVERS* > * > * > *

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