On 2024-07-09 10:38:51 (+0800), Viktor Dukhovni via mailop wrote:
On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 10:17:15AM +0800, Philip Paeps via mailop
wrote:
With such low volume, you will really struggle to get email delivered
to the
larger mailbox providers, whose filtering is largely based on
reputation.
It's
On 2024-07-09 06:32:17 (+0800), Tony G via mailop wrote:
I'm a small-business owner, running a small number of private domains
for a small number of users. Outbound traffic from all accounts is
currently less than 10 items per day. We don't send any transactions
in bulk, send very few
On 2024-03-07 20:30:53 (+0800), Sebastian Nielsen via mailop wrote:
Emoji is such a stupid thing. So that’s why I kinda need to delete
all emoji, by parsing the utf8 string and then deleting everything
that is emoji. Not normal UTF8 characters, as they can can be
displayed (like Chinese
On 2024-03-05 05:40:46 (+0800), Sebastian Nielsen via mailop wrote:
Anyone that have a general algoritm to filter out emoji from sender
addresses?
How I do in regexp to identify emoji? (its such a stupid thing)..
Today's regular expression will not capture tomorrow's emoji. The nice
people
On 2024-02-25 09:48:23 (+0700), Dave Crocker wrote:
On 2/24/2024 5:25 PM, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
On the whole, I think not meddling with the body (and not breaking
DKIM) provides an improved mailing list experience. We don't have
to rewrite the From: header, and "reply" wor
er intends. Neither
the mailing list software nor the recipient has to guess.
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On 2024-02-15 02:51:17 (+0800), Gellner, Oliver via mailop wrote:
On 13.02.2024 at 17:05 John Levine via mailop wrote:
It appears that Taavi Eomäe via mailop said:
On 13/02/2024 05:16, John Levine via mailop wrote:
Right now if you get a message from Gmail or Yahoo with a valid
DKIM
On 2024-02-09 15:50:36 (+0800), Cyril - ImprovMX via mailop wrote:
But to get circle back at email forwarding and Gmail issues, there is
one
point that bothers me with ARC and I'd like that someone could tell me
that
I'm wrong (with valid arguments, of course).
ARC tells the receiver party
On 2024-02-08 19:27:55 (+0800), Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
Dnia 7.02.2024 o godz. 20:51:15 Jarland Donnell via mailop pisze:
Nearly 100% of
users who forward email do so because they want it in Gmail.
I am always wondering - as Gmail gives so many problems that have been
discussed
On 2024-02-04 23:02:31 (+0800), Matus UHLAR - fantomas via mailop wrote:
Am 02.02.24 um 16:08 schrieb Mark E. Jeftovic via mailop:
We're having a bit of a theological debate internally on whether to
implement DMARC on our SRS forwarder domains.
On 02.02.24 16:26, Kai Bojens via mailop wrote:
On 2024-02-03 09:01:40 (+0800), Bill Cole via mailop wrote:
On 2024-02-02 at 10:26:55 UTC-0500 (Fri, 2 Feb 2024 16:26:55 +0100)
Kai Bojens via mailop
is rumored to have said:
Am 02.02.24 um 16:08 schrieb Mark E. Jeftovic via mailop:
We're having a bit of a theological debate internally on
On 2024-02-02 23:08:54 (+0800), Mark E. Jeftovic via mailop wrote:
We're having a bit of a theological debate internally on whether to
implement DMARC on our SRS forwarder domains.
The team here says that DMARC means there will never be alignment on
an SRS forwarder domain because the
Abusix has a good one too. There are others.
Check https://multirbl.valli.org
Btw, how do you deal with this big players' blacklist problems?
The same way I deal with other players.
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On 2024-01-25 14:10:13 (+0800), Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote:
Tonight we received a huge wave of extortion spams from OVH hosted
domains trying to get bitcoin payments. The senders claim that
recipients watched child porn.
I'm seeing these come in from several places. They get trapped
On 2023-11-17 22:37:58 (+0800), Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
Since about September, we're hitting the rate limiter ~70% of the time
every couple of days. Since ~15 November we're hitting the rate
limiter for almost all mail we send.
Anyone else noticing this?
The problem went away last
the root cause.
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. Since the middle of November, we're consistently seeing 80%+
TempFail.
This is mostly a problem for Google users. We don't mind queueing and
retrying.
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On 2023-11-18 18:59:53 (+0800), Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote:
On Fri 17/Nov/2023 15:37:58 +0100 Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
We do all the things in the Bulk Sender Guidelines (except DMARC
because we don't want to frustrate our users ability to use
third-party mailing lists that don't
f there's something we need to do differently to prevent these
from suddenly turning into rejects one day, I'm all ears. I can't see
anything applicable in Google's Sender Guidelines.
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forwarding aliases. Our spam filtering
is pretty effective but there will always be some spam.)
Brandon: any insights? Happy to supply more logs.
Best wishes.
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On 2023-10-24 10:04:25 (+0800), Ian Kelling via mailop wrote:
> Philip Paeps via mailop writes:
>> On 2023-10-22 14:34:39 (+0530), Slavko via mailop wrote:
>> Indeed: not directly related to mailops. But a very instructive example
>> of why monitoring C-T logs is a good idea
attacks are
much more likely than fraudulent certificates.
Moral of the story: monitor all the things!
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can
imagine several reasons why signing microsoft.com or outlook.com would
be impractical, but I'm slightly surprised they're not using a new
domain in a well-known generic TLD.
I bet a common misconfiguration will be admins automatically typing .com
after .microsoft. :-)
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reasons. Human users will quickly realise their
typo and resubmit a correction. You still end up with the typo on your
queue until it expires, but at least the human user is happy.
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length, and formatting, than with the
inherent security of the system.
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of choice.
I realise we're not a representative use case but I'm sure we're not
alone.
There are legitimate use cases for remote forwarding.
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ome paying customers
never get around to linking their domains. Or they link their domains
but keep sending from their onmicrosoft.com subdomain.
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to build with security/openssl-devel (which is currently 3.0.5)
instead of the base system OpenSSL. This is known to break a lot of
things. OpenDKIM may be simple enough that it works for you though.
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? More than one?
Define "really pay".
At least in my experience, Mythic Beasts fits this description. I'm
sure there are others. But I agree that they are few and far between.
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ut you can't
ignore it.
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On 2022-07-13 17:52:33 (+0800), Laura Atkins wrote:
On 13 Jul 2022, at 09:07, Philip Paeps via mailop
wrote:
On 2022-07-13 15:31:17 (+0800), Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
In the past couple of days, I'm seeing an uptick in rejects from
Gmail as follows: [...]
As far as I can tell
On 2022-07-13 15:31:17 (+0800), Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
In the past couple of days, I'm seeing an uptick in rejects from Gmail
as follows: [...]
As far as I can tell, the message is compliant. It doesn't have any
of the obvious problems, at least. From, To, Message-ID and Date
sure I must be missing something very subtle.
Has anyone else seen (more of) these?
Thanks.
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ard plan. If you've got users
who don't use IMAP/POP, you can put them on the US$3/user/month basic
plan and save a little bit.
(Note: I have no stake in Fastmail. I am merely a happy paying
customer.)
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suspicion for ignoring that SHOULD is perfectly germane.
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On 2021-10-06 03:05:14 (+0800), Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote:
On 2021-10-04 21:23, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
On 2021-10-05 05:17:33 (+0800), Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:
Turn off IPv6 ;)
I see your ";)" but ... still ... this is terrible advice.
While IPv6 is n
ers. Some have been mentioned in this thread.
I don't think of Gmail as email.
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It's
time to move on. Eventually even email will have to start running over
IPv6.
[I also consider IPv6 to be a better protocol, but that discussion isn't
worth having again, certainly not on this mailing list.]
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users. Just like every other website!
Humans sending messages to other humans are an insignificant fraction of
the data passing through Google. Trying to influence the model based on
so little data is pointless.
Maybe it's easier to stop thinking of Gmail as email.
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en't being delivered to mailboxes hosted by the large mail
providers.
There isn't much of a middle ground. Unfortunately.
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to Fastmail earlier this year.
Happy customer.
The only complaint I have is that they don't support IPv6 at all. I
understand the argument against running IPv6 on MXes (although I
disagree with it) but in 2021, IMAP and submission should really be
available on IPv6.
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y of the message. If the "Bcc:" field sent contains
all
of the blind addressees, all of the "Bcc:" recipients will be
seen by
each "Bcc:" recipient.
Interesting.
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On 2021-07-30 18:10:23 (+0800), G. Miliotis via mailop wrote:
> We're just managing our misery here.
That's a great tag line for mailop@. :-)
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found in my archive, mail from
paddle.com is sent via Postmark (postmarkapp.com).
Maybe that helps?
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icult when there are more than a couple of TXT records scrolling by.
I'm just a cranky old man set in my ways. :)
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.. Data overload.. If you need that
much data, there MUST be another way to do it (link to the data?)
edns0 not just for DNSSEC anymore? :)
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server on a VPS from Mythic Beasts in the UK.
I've not had any problems with them.
I hear good things about Vultr from friends with similar setups.
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On 2020-12-18 17:22:13 (+0800), Paul Smith via mailop wrote:
On 18/12/2020 01:19, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
I use the secondary MX as spammerbait... If a client connects to a
lower priority MX before talking to the higher priority MX, I
probably don't want to hear from them.
There's
in the
first place?
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when you're down and retry when you're back
up. This was more of a problem decades ago, when disks were small and
making queueing the sender's problem was less likely to actually work.
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a
little more money on threats from 'within' your networks..
Interesting ... I thought Azure blocked outbound SMTP connections? Has
that changed?
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eir
existence. Go quiet and you're out. Become less predictable and you're
out.
Happily most people I communicate with who host their email at Google
have been conditioned into routinely checking their junk folder and
interacting with the not-junk that accumulates there.
Email is hard. It'll
Apple's note-taking thingy and not ... not ... not the other thing.
Sometimes I don't realise before the screaming starts.
Email is terrifying enough without Notes. :)
(Nobody mention ClearCase now please.)
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On 2020-08-21 00:26:37 (+0800), Brielle via mailop wrote:
Oops, hit the send keybind by accident while trying to paste... Lets
try this again.
On 8/19/2020 11:06 PM, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
On 2020-08-18 20:23:37 (+0800), Atro Tossavainen via mailop wrote:
The SendGrid account
in
reporting them to Sendgrid. We've simply started blocking Sendgrid and
whitelisting obvious false positives.
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nfirm your subscription"
messages their way. Multiply that by the number of large Mailman
installations being similarly abused...
This internet thing will never catch on.
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(and/or who type quickly) but we've never
heard anyone complain.
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.
Thanks for the heads-up though. It's worth keeping an eye on these
things. We run an awful lot of mailing lists and it's not very
difficult for a script-kiddie to cause a flood of subscription
confirmations.
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that what OAUTH is meant to fix? ;-)
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On 2020-02-07 15:51:22 (-0800), Philip Paeps wrote:
On 2020-02-07 14:32:50 (-0800), Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2020/02/07 13:41, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
I think the only viable solution will be to set up forwarders
Or pass it through a proxy which knows how to authenticate. I'm
On 2020-02-07 14:32:50 (-0800), Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2020/02/07 13:41, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
I think the only viable solution will be to set up forwarders
Or pass it through a proxy which knows how to authenticate. I'm not
aware of any that have been written yet
On 2020-02-07 14:32:50 (-0800), Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2020/02/07 13:41, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
I think the only viable solution will be to set up forwarders
Or pass it through a proxy which knows how to authenticate. I'm not
aware of any that have been written yet
s probably also part of the larger problem but I don't have any
customers insisting I have a mailbox in their domain.)
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On 2020-02-07 08:34:13 (-0800), Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
It would be best if autoresponders simply didn't reply to messages
from mailing lists.
That windmill is not going to budge no matter how much you try to tilt
it...
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re you confusing the envelope with the header? VERP uses the envelope
from, replies use the header from.
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response.
I've found BT's postmaster team to be very responsive in the past. I
invariably get replies from actual humans.
Perhaps many/most of those humans were on holiday last week and they're
now catching up with a backlog?
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(and also web).
Hooray! Thank you for your continued hard work in hosting this
invaluable resource!
Hope you all have a Happy and low-Spam New Year.
Likewise. Best wishes. :-)
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t you're looking for as much as
another hosting provider for your email.
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to be sure, but it's good to
have options.
Thanks for the suggestion.
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On 2019-12-17 18:08:03 (+0800), Andrew C Aitchison wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2019, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
On 2019-12-17 03:20:04 (+0800), Al Iverson via mailop wrote:
Google is announcing that in the future, G-Suite accounts will not
support LSA (Less Secure Access) account connection
On 2019-12-17 17:53:48 (+0800), andris.rein...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17. Dec 2019, at 11:40, Philip Paeps wrote:
On 2019-12-17 03:20:04 (+0800), Al Iverson via mailop wrote:
Google is announcing that in the future, G-Suite accounts will not
support LSA (Less Secure Access) account connection
mailserver fetch my mail so it's more easily backed up.)
2. February 15, 2021 - Access to LSAs will be turned off for all G
Suite accounts.
Clear deadline at least.
This isn't a bad thing, of course.
I'm not sure I share that particular view...
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On 2019-12-05 15:36:02 (-0800), Large Hadron Collider via mailop wrote:
The subject says it all.
Okay, I'll bite: what's wrong with Postfix?
I've been using it since before it was called Postfix and "it works for
me".
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On 2019-10-14 13:43:18 (-0700), Thomas Walter via mailop wrote:
On 14.10.19 20:39, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:
While I'm clearly not a representative sample of the average email
user,
3 or 5 spam messages per day is two orders of magnitude short of the
mark on a bad day for me.
So ... Yes
dle 3 or 5 spams in their
inbox per day?
While I'm clearly not a representative sample of the average email user,
3 or 5 spam messages per day is two orders of magnitude short of the
mark on a bad day for me.
So ... Yes: we need spam folders.
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on in the
benighted times we live in.
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ng off.
Of course, there will always be room for improvement and I wouldn't be
surprised if there are still professional spammers at Hetzner. They
just haven't been hitting my spamtraps recently.
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On 2019-03-06 16:40:43 (+0800), Renaud Allard via mailop wrote:
On 3/6/19 8:54 AM, Philip Paeps wrote:
I share my mailserver with several GitHub users. Recently, we've
all been getting recruitment spam to addresses mined from GitHub.
I wonder if GitHub cares about their platform being used
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query it occasionally.
For my uses, it has mostly been replaced by the abuse contact that is
now at the top of whois data.
With whois becoming decreasingly useful in the post-GDPR era, perhaps
abuse.net will become the first place we look for data...
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unwanted email
still ends up in the inbox but most ends up in Junk where it belongs.
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you have no way of knowing if that address wants your email.
Any email you send to an address that hasn't requested it is spam.
* customer doesn't want to do double optin
Get rid of the customer.
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s unlikely to do
your reputation much good!
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On 2018-06-20 09:32:40 (+0200), Renaud Allard via mailop wrote:
On 20/06/18 09:17, Philip Paeps wrote:
On 2018-06-19 21:20:49 (+0200), Steve Atkins wrote:
On Jun 19, 2018, at 8:10 PM, Brandon Long via mailop
wrote:
They used to use qmail which uses - instead of the more common
don't live in SMTP land)
also believe that + is an "invalid character" in email addresses.
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ord?
I use libspf2. It does what the RFC says. That's what standards are
for...
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software now has a
better chance of being delivered than before. :) Or at least getting as
far as the spam filters rather than being dropped sooner.
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though. Even real names entirely in scripts that are nothing like
ASCII.
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onvince them to stop squatting on the
second-level domain, all without knowingly triggering their mail to be
treated as spam.
I am very interested in seeing how this works out. Do share your
experiences with this list!
Many thanks.
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first Received: hop.
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an come up
with for my emails not arriving on that GSuites list.
Has anyone else seen this? Brandon, can you comment if this is
something to beware of?
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On 2018-02-21 11:22:46 (+0100), Stefano Bagnara wrote:
On 21 February 2018 at 09:44, Philip Paeps <phi...@trouble.is> wrote:
Following JavaScript redirects is probably all but impossible except
for the simplest case because of the halting problem. Unless you want
to execute the Java
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