Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D

2007-06-13 Thread Mike Canfield
Such mechanism does exist.Google it and see for yourself. Mike - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D and how does this help them for spot

Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 Wagon

2007-06-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop
no its not worth that much but it might bring that much Donald Snook wrote: Is a 1985 123 Wagon in good shape with 354,000 miles worth $2800? That sounds like a ton of miles, but these wagons are going for astronomical amounts of money - IMHO. I wondered if I could drive this for a year or

Re: [MBZ] Injector Line Leak @ Pump

2007-06-13 Thread Jim Cathey
Plastic clips I see NO plastic clips... That is probably why the line broke Picture or PDF anyone? There's an array of snap clips that hold the lines to each other and/or clamp them against rubber bumpers snapped into slotted sheet metal plates in the vicinity. They're vital. If

Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2007-06-13 Thread Jim Cathey
Anybody know if they mean 15 degrees ATDC, or BTDC? Anybody at all? Also, any opinions on the likelihood of my dark coolant being oil-contaminated, versus who-knows-what? There's no oil sheen on the bucket full of yuck. Or other opinions on the wisdom of pulling the head off of this NA 602?

Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2007-06-13 Thread Peter Frederick
ATDC. This is NOT the start of injection, it's where the nub on the shaft locks into the locking tool. Oil floats and makes a slimy mess. Just filthy is very old coolant. I wouldn't pull the head unless you get cold pressure, use coolant, or collect black oil in the coolant tank. Peter

Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D

2007-06-13 Thread Allan Streib
R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, what is the going rate of road tax for hybrid electric vehicles? Do we calculate KWH and apply an electric tax? How about a pedal car? Do we tax the fries and burger consumed for lunch as a motive fuel? Funny you bring that up, in fact the taxing

Re: [MBZ] Early june CL from Seattle

2007-06-13 Thread Redghost
I though Gump was rare, but I am seeing all sorts of dunkel Grun w115 on the road now. There was a nice 240D with great interior that sold for $3500 a few weeks ago. Would have liked to have that, but it was auto. Also found some nice SE models in the color. clay On Jun 12, 2007, at

Re: [MBZ] BMW bikes (was: 85 BMW 524 TD)

2007-06-13 Thread Redghost
You sold it? For WHAT!!!! That is just wrong! I would have gladly given you $501 and rebuilt her clay On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:19 AM, Zeitgeist wrote: I just sold my '78 R80/7 for $500...of course, it was completely disassembled, but that didn't deter the intrepid buyer in the least.

Re: [MBZ] Maine Update

2007-06-13 Thread Bob Rentfro
I knowbut the memories make it seem like yesterday.(sigh) Bob R. - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Maine Update 88 was many moons ago...

[MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale

2007-06-13 Thread John Robbins
In December I bought a 190D off of Kaleb I've put about 7k miles on it since then, and have decided to sell it. The main reason is that there was some hidden rust that put the car in the not worth making nice category in my book. There is nothing keeping it from being a reliable daily

Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 Wagon

2007-06-13 Thread Redghost
Donald, If the wagon remains in clean enough condition, you can drive it, service it, and detail it. Then come out west to PDX of SEA and put it on Craigslist. It will sell for between $5600-13,000 clay On Jun 12, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Is a 1985 123 Wagon in good

Re: [MBZ] Happy St. Mercedes day

2007-06-13 Thread Bob Rentfro
Jim informed us: Saint Mercedes Maria Good name for a caror would that be sacrilegious? Bob R.

Re: [MBZ] BMW bikes (was: 85 BMW 524 TD)

2007-06-13 Thread Tom Hargrave
I'd say that $500.00 is high for a completely disassembled 80's BMW, with exception of the R90S. Also, some of the /7's suffered from receding valve problems. Te valve seats were too soft. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D

2007-06-13 Thread Redghost
Seems IIRC there is a plan to put a GPS tag on cars to monitor how much they are driven and then tax you for that. PDX is doing a test of this system. Even had some idiots apply to be test subjects. Think there was talk of a test' here in Seattle too. Greenies On Jun 12, 2007, at

Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale

2007-06-13 Thread Tom Hargrave
John, I wish it was nice enough to be a road car - I would not mind a 190D to run between here Wisconsin. Should be a nice around town car for someone, even with the rust. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] Maine Update

2007-06-13 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Bob, I agree completely and share that (sigh)... Oh, what was and might have been forever! Take care and the memories will last forever... Chuck On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:47 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: I knowbut the memories make it seem like yesterday.(sigh)

Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D

2007-06-13 Thread Allan Streib
Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems IIRC there is a plan to put a GPS tag on cars to monitor how much they are driven and then tax you for that. PDX is doing a test of this system. Even had some idiots apply to be test subjects. Think there was talk of a test' here in Seattle too.

Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2007-06-13 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:24:50 -0500 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't pull the head unless you get cold pressure, use coolant, or collect black oil in the coolant tank. A citric acid flush might help it. Craig

[MBZ] '08 Model diesel fuel restrictions

2007-06-13 Thread RELNGSON
From the 2008 C-Class Owner's Manual Commercially available diesel may contain 5 % bio-diesel. This proportion will not affect vehicle performance or wear. Using diesel fuel that does not comply with EN 590 requirements (or comparable standards) can lead to increased wear, engine damage and

Re: [MBZ] 170D pepup?

2007-06-13 Thread RELNGSON
But a really hot 37 Chevy!  And from the hot rod point of view, the thing is enough to restore vigor to many an elderly fellow Don't get your hopes up. RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Re: [MBZ] Available 240D

2007-06-13 Thread RELNGSON
I though Gump was rare, but I am seeing all sorts of dunkel Grun w115  on the road now.  There was a nice 240D with great interior that sold  for $3500 a few weeks ago. Would have liked to have that, but it was  auto I say again, chug on out to 45th Ave. NE NE 97th and eyeball that dark

Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale

2007-06-13 Thread Jim Cathey
it since then, and have decided to sell it. The main reason is that there was some hidden rust that put the car in the not worth making nice category in my book. Dead microwave ovens are easy to come by for cheap. And any Real Man always wants a welder. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D

2007-06-13 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:11:51 -0400, Allan wrote: I think a mandatory government GPS on cars would violate the constitution in several ways. The Constitution of the United States seems to not even slow them down *sigh* -- Philip

Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2007-06-13 Thread Jim Cathey
ATDC. This is NOT the start of injection, it's where the nub on the shaft locks into the locking tool. I'm just thrown by the -15 that's in the manual. I disregarded the - part, and set it at 15 ATDC. Oil floats and makes a slimy mess. Just filthy is very old coolant. That would be nice.

Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D

2007-06-13 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:41:45 -0400, Allan wrote: I really have to think that it is never going to become a widespread source of power. It is more of a Mother Earth News hippie back to the land sort of idea. Not very practical for most of us in urban settings with no barn

Re: [MBZ] '08 Model diesel fuel restrictions

2007-06-13 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
Pretty silly that they'll put that out on a car to be sold in the US. All diesel vehicles sold in Germany have been required to be compatible with bio diesel for a number of years now. -Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the 2008 C-Class Owner's Manual Commercially available

Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale

2007-06-13 Thread Trampas
Real men have a welder and a pickup truck. Real men have to wash their hands before using the bathroom. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:01 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale

2007-06-13 Thread John Robbins
Jim Cathey wrote: it since then, and have decided to sell it. The main reason is that there was some hidden rust that put the car in the not worth making nice category in my book. Dead microwave ovens are easy to come by for cheap. And any Real Man always wants a welder. Did you look at

Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 Wagon

2007-06-13 Thread Donald Snook
Clay wrote: If the wagon remains in clean enough condition, you can drive it, service it, and detail it. Then come out west to PDX of SEA and put it on Craigslist. It will sell for between $5600-13,000 That's amazing. Somebody should figure out how to buy 5-6 of these clean

Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale

2007-06-13 Thread Jim Cathey
Did you look at the pictures? Its in the reinforced frame part of the unibody... where you would put a floor jack... I don't know if I want to learn to weld in that area!! You put the jack wherever you can! Control arms, etc., are always good. I had the Frankenheap tipped up pretty high

[MBZ] wheels falling off

2007-06-13 Thread Allan Streib
So, the recent discussion of ball joint failure has me wondering, is there a way to detect a worn ball joint before it fails? I have some noises in the 300D front end but it seems to be right on the firewall so I'm thinking it's the track rods. How would I check for worn ball joints, or other

Re: [MBZ] wheels falling off

2007-06-13 Thread Gary Hurst
i've always seen techs check for play every time the car is up in the air. On 6/13/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the recent discussion of ball joint failure has me wondering, is there a way to detect a worn ball joint before it fails? I have some noises in the 300D front end

Re: [MBZ] wheels falling off

2007-06-13 Thread R A Bennell
Very simply, wiggle, pry etc to see if there is looseness in the joint. However, if you have to ask the question, you may be better advised to take it to a shop and have them check and advise. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan

Re: [MBZ] wheels falling off

2007-06-13 Thread R A Bennell
Decided after I posted this that it sounded a bit cryptic. I mean no offense. I have been fooled myself at times. I replace upper ball joints in our 4Runner at one point because I was convinced that it needed it. However, after I had them out - and ruined in the process, I discovered that there

Re: [MBZ] '08 Model diesel fuel restrictions

2007-06-13 Thread ernest breakfield
yes, seems silly, until you look at it further; BioDiesel standards adopted y the US are somewhat different than those of the EU. US standards (ASTM D6751 - Specification for Biodiesel Fuel Blend Stock) were allegedly based on those proposed by the NBB, who is in bed with the Soy Growers; not

Re: [MBZ] BMW bikes

2007-06-13 Thread ernest breakfield
here in the Bay Area, BMW motos seems to be more highly regarded than many other areas, and as a result of that and our year-round riding weather, are typically well kept (and more expensive than other areas). not surprisingly, because of this combination of factors, we also have 3 BMW moto

Re: [MBZ] Motorcycle Opinions

2007-06-13 Thread ernest breakfield
what the moto's going to be used for and where that's going to be makes a huge difference. while riding in SoCal again last week i noticed that when traffic is flowing freely on the fwys, it's typically around 80MPH. i've owned a variety of motos of different sizes and styles while growing

Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale

2007-06-13 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:59:15 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least they seem to have avoided going for the SL or the Falcon. I refreshed the mouse poison down there. I noticed that the dog food pile in the nest had a lot of green pellets in it, too! When we lost our cat we

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-13 Thread ernest breakfield
need to get a few things straight; firstly, running Veg Oil and BioD isn't the same thing. (i've yet to see any pump selling Veg Oil for road use,...) as for appeal; for starters, fuel made from what would otherwise be a waste product that already served some purpose and was originally made

Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle Opinions

2007-06-13 Thread ernest breakfield
$2K? did you already budget separately for dressing to ride? while you can do it for cheaper if you're careful, proper riding gear could easily cost you that much, or even more. proper riding gear = stuff you actually want to have on when (not *if*) you fall off, not the bottle-cap helmets

Re: [MBZ] BMW bikes

2007-06-13 Thread Zeitgeist
I had the pleasure of riding a friend's '83 R80 ST all over SF for a weekend. That was a fun fun fun bike--a real hybrid. I've wanted one ever since, but unfortunately, they're extremely rare. On 6/13/07, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here in the Bay Area, BMW motos seems to be

Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel restrictions

2007-06-13 Thread RELNGSON
Pretty silly that they'll put that out on a car to be sold in the US. All diesel vehicles sold in Germany have been required to be compatible with bio diesel for a number of years now. This info was extracted found on the MB-Germany factory website and is not referring to US models in

Re: [MBZ] Taxes

2007-06-13 Thread andrew strasfogel
Right on! Don't forget the $$ billion/week (day?) W is spending on a no-win war in Iraq. On 6/12/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on a similar subject, new used car dealers have started charging a paperwork fee or other such name - ranging from

Re: [MBZ] Taxes

2007-06-13 Thread Allan Streib
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right on! Don't forget the $$ billion/week (day?) W is spending on a no-win war in Iraq. What? -- 1983 300D 1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 19, Issue 64

2007-06-13 Thread andrew strasfogel
Maryland has awesome roads in the back county areas. On 6/12/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tony, I noticed the same thing about Pa roads when we went to Hershey a couple of years ago. we like to attend the Porsche swap meet and had considered driving the 911 there until we saw how

Re: [MBZ] Taxes

2007-06-13 Thread R A Bennell
Ah, but isn't that supposed to be good for the economy? Nothing like a good little war to ramp up military spending etc? (Lord help us all!) Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:12 PM To:

Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D

2007-06-13 Thread andrew strasfogel
The friendliest biofuel is used McSoybean oil that would otherwise serve to create some really low value product, or simply trashed On 6/13/07, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:41:45 -0400, Allan wrote: I really have to think that it is never going to

Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 Wagon

2007-06-13 Thread andrew strasfogel
Mileage means NOTHING in a 300TD as long as the car starts easily, shifts smoothly, and has adequate power. On 6/13/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clay wrote: If the wagon remains in clean enough condition, you can drive it, service it, and detail it. Then come out west to PDX

Re: [MBZ] BMW bikes

2007-06-13 Thread andrew strasfogel
I owned a silver R26 in college (made for export to Switzerland prior to being shipped to the US). I purchased it for $250, spent $6 on repairs to fix the ignition, and sold it 9 mos. later for $290. On 6/13/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the pleasure of riding a friend's '83

Re: [MBZ] Taxes

2007-06-13 Thread andrew strasfogel
People were complaining about how their state taxes are spent without considering the tragic waste waste of infinitely more tax dollars (and lives) towards a lost cause. On 6/13/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right on! Don't forget the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle Opinions

2007-06-13 Thread LWB250
My wife is a former Harley-Davidson exec. We have closets full of gear. Not an issue. I think I have at least 5 H-D leather jackets at minimum. Chaps, boots, gloves, etc., you name it, I've probably got at least one of everything you would need, at least. My old H-D helmet's padding was sort

Re: [MBZ] Taxes

2007-06-13 Thread Allan Streib
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People were complaining about how their state taxes are spent without considering the tragic waste waste of infinitely more tax dollars (and lives) towards a lost cause. Ah. Sorry I didn't make the leap from the discussion of dealer doc fees, which

Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D

2007-06-13 Thread Allan Streib
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The friendliest biofuel is used McSoybean oil that would otherwise serve to create some really low value product, or simply trashed Unfortunately not only is the amount of waste oil from McDonalds a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of

Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle Opinions

2007-06-13 Thread ernest breakfield
LOL! you hit on one of my pet Hardly Ableson peeves, and i just can't resist; what the heck are chaps for (aside from providing a certain 'look' in certain bars)? keeping bugs off of your jeans while you ride (although they don't often get worn with jeans in *those* bars you see them in

[MBZ] wrecked 300 value vs. insurance offer

2007-06-13 Thread BillR
A friend of my daughter has an '85 300 Turbo Diesel as described below. I suspect the insurance company is low-balling her, but don't know what questions to ask to figure a more favorable value. Can anyone suggest a procedure to follow from this point? They sent pictures but only of the damage

Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D

2007-06-13 Thread andrew strasfogel
Market for what? My understanding is that they haul it away for free or even charge the fast food outlets to get rid of it. On 6/13/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The friendliest biofuel is used McSoybean oil that would otherwise serve

Re: [MBZ] wrecked 300 value vs. insurance offer

2007-06-13 Thread Allan Streib
BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A friend of my daughter has an '85 300 Turbo Diesel as described below. I suspect the insurance company is low-balling her, but don't know what questions to ask to figure a more favorable value. Can anyone suggest a procedure to follow from this point? They

Re: [MBZ] wheels falling off

2007-06-13 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:43:36 -0400, Allan wrote: So, the recent discussion of ball joint failure has me wondering, is there a way to detect a worn ball joint before it fails? I have some noises in the 300D front end but it seems to be right on the firewall so I'm thinking it's

Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel restrictions

2007-06-13 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
Could be that their server detected your computer coming from a US server and directed it to information regarding models sold outside of germany. I saw the report on Deutsche Welle TV ( Berlin )a few years ago where the German government made it mandatory for all new diesels sold in

[MBZ] I am back in Paradise

2007-06-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Back at the Okiebenz ranch. Airline lost my bags. Thats just great. They said something about they had a weight problem on the plane. I think it was because they had a 350lb fat kid flying the plane. Boy that was the scariest landing I have seen in a while. Came in too high and when he

Re: [MBZ] wrecked 300 value vs. insurance offer

2007-06-13 Thread eric peterson
Try NADA values. You'll have to go with the collector book. My daughter got t-boned a couple yrs back in an 85 SD with about 240K well maintained but still showing the miles a bit. She got $4500 and we still kept the car. Eric 85 300CD 112K --- BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of my

Re: [MBZ] I am back in Paradise

2007-06-13 Thread OK Don
Welcome back to civilization! I wish all these pilots had to fly from 1900' grass strips weekly - you learn to ALWAYS touch down on the first 50 feet of the runway. On 6/13/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back at the Okiebenz ranch. Airline lost my bags. Thats just great. They

[MBZ] 2.3-16v on eBay

2007-06-13 Thread OK Don
I seem to miss a lot of tell-tale signs in the these listings, but even so, this one seems to be rather low. Maybe it'll get sniped up --- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=160126389323ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:ITih=006 or: http://tinyurl.com/2vlce2 -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman,

Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel restrictions

2007-06-13 Thread Allan Streib
One of the early posts in this thread mention EN 590 as being acceptable. EN 590 is the eurpoean biodiesel standard. Perhaps the US biodiesel standard, is not acceptable for some reason, or more likely there is no standard formulation that is available widely enough to endorse. Certainly I can

Re: [MBZ] Soy 81 300D

2007-06-13 Thread Allan Streib
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Market for what? My understanding is that they haul it away for free or even charge the fast food outlets to get rid of it. Well you know I don't know if they pay or get paid to have it taken away. But the real point is, it *is* already being

Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel restrictions

2007-06-13 Thread Allan Streib
Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Certainly I can understand MB not warranting a sophisticated system such as the Blutek diesel using fuel that Joe Hippie brewed up in a discarded water heater in his barn. Not that Joe Hippie is likely to be driving a 2008 Blutec, though... -- 1983

Re: [MBZ] I am back in Paradise

2007-06-13 Thread Bob Rentfro
Must not have brought back the 300TE 4matic... You continue to live Bob R. - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: [MBZ] I am

Re: [MBZ] wrecked 300 value vs. insurance offer

2007-06-13 Thread Tony Wirtel
A friend of my daughter has an '85 300 Turbo Diesel as described below. I suspect the insurance company is low-balling her, but don't know what questions to ask to figure a more favorable value. Can anyone suggest a procedure to follow from this point? They sent pictures but only of the damage