When I was in college a few years back, I was stunned at the poor writing
ability of many of he young students. Grammar, usage, and punctuation were
horrendous.
I think that was one reason why I did well. I could form cognizant thoughts and
express them in writing. Many in my cohort could not.
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:12:41 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
We always worked on diction and vocabulary with our kids, as we
strongly believe that it's important to present as someone who speaks
and writes intelligently, especially in business and employment
situations.
Hear, hear!
Your all loosers
--R
On 4/13/13 11:47 AM, Craig wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:12:41 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
We always worked on diction and vocabulary with our kids, as we
strongly believe that it's important to present as someone who speaks
and writes intelligently,
Give me a brake.
Dan
On Apr 13, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Your all loosers
--R
On 4/13/13 11:47 AM, Craig wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:12:41 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
We always worked on diction and vocabulary with
Cant I loosed my break peddle
--R
On 4/13/13 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Give me a brake.
Dan
On Apr 13, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Your all loosers
--R
On 4/13/13 11:47 AM, Craig wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:12:41 -0400 Dan Penoff
I think that should be petal.
Dan
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 13, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Cant I loosed my break peddle
--R
On 4/13/13 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Give me a brake.
Dan
On Apr 13, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Rich Thomas
I am peddling as fast as I kin
--R
On 4/13/13 12:45 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
I think that should be petal.
Dan
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 13, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Cant I loosed my break peddle
--R
On 4/13/13 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:12:41 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
We always worked on diction and vocabulary with our kids, as we
strongly believe that it's important to present as someone who speaks
and writes intelligently, especially
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What about the teachers? That must be pretty embarrassing if your students
cannot
to farm with horses and the other brother replied Well
we've never farmed with oxen and we turned out all right!
-Curt
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:24:49 -0500
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What about the teachers? That must be pretty embarrassing if your
students
On 11/04/2013 10:16 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
What about the teachers? That must be pretty embarrassing if your
students cannot do what they are supposed to be able to do.
Randy
Why? The teachers are probably mostly under 35 and can't pass the
exam either.
But that was the point. Would
Hear! Hear!
Huzzah!
clay
On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
The highschools are doing a poor job of teaching the basics so the college
picks up and provides to a great extent, what we once assumed might be
learned by the end of highschool.
Randy
Ever read what was
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What about the teachers? That must be pretty embarrassing if your
students cannot do
Thank you!
I was really impressed by the writing skill and the math skills (calc
and precalc) of eighth graders of 90 years ago. Very good prose.
Folks with that education can easily learn computer skills and
anything else needed in today's world. Can you imagine where we
could be if eight
There are some government employees who are so protected by their special
employment support groups [unions, in non PC] the only way to fire them is
with rope and a yardarm.
They have made themselves a position for life, regardless of their
incompetence. This is their complete and total focus,
On 09/04/2013 6:20 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
Randy wrote:
I hope no one I know ever ends up where she is.
Me.
But... you don't know me.
mao
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Well, to some extent I guess I do and if you are in a similar scenario,
then I feel for you too. Some of the
On 09/04/2013 7:16 PM, clay wrote:
Sometime last week I was reading an opinion piece that higher education serves
two purposes. One to impart technical knowledge, the other, for the student to
gather practical knowledge.
I am not sure how well college actually does that, but for the sake of
I work with some of those government employees. It makes me crazy.
Here is an example:
Not long after I took my current position, I was at my desk after lunch on a
Friday when a group of people walked in. Why are you here?, they asked. Uh,
I am working, why?
Seems that years ago, when people
Dan Penoff wrote:
On the same subject, I just had my annual evaluation. The highest level of performance is
Satisfactory. There is no way you can exceed expectations or over achieve.
It's not allowed.
Same goes for the students in the Public Fool system?
Mitch.
Atlanta?
Big uproar this week in Seattle that the children will not be able to be
graduated from the schools due to a lack of ability to pass a math test.
Damage to self esteem will be massive, for both the unqualified child as well
as his unhappy parent
clay
On Apr 11, 2013, at 1:44 PM,
On 11/04/2013 3:56 PM, clay wrote:
Atlanta?
Big uproar this week in Seattle that the children will not be able to be
graduated from the schools due to a lack of ability to pass a math test.
Damage to self esteem will be massive, for both the unqualified child as well
as his unhappy parent
They decided to boycott the state mandated testing this past month, as it might
show them to be deficient in their ability to teach
clay
On Apr 11, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
On 11/04/2013 3:56 PM, clay wrote:
Atlanta?
Big uproar this week in Seattle that the children will not
Randy wrote:
It is a bad deal when older folks get tossed aside and cannot find a new
job. A job gives one much more than just the money to live on. It provides
a lot of self esteem and a circle of acquaintances etc.
It gives one a purpose in life.
Both esteem and purpose are gone, for me.
So,
This turned out to be a terrible problem in Canada when I was living
in Ontario. Seems you have to make something like $60,000 Cdn to get
the same standard of living you got on mother's aid (welfare) AND had
to pay the previous year's benefits back at 2 dollars for each dollar
earned over
The highschools are doing a poor job of teaching the basics so the
college picks up and provides to a great extent, what we once
assumed might be learned by the end of highschool.
Randy
Ever read what was expected of an 8th grade graduate of the 1920s in
the US? Pretty much the same as
This is the environment I work in. One of laziness and entitlement.
Makes me crazy, but I continue to maintain my work ethic.
On the same subject, I just had my annual evaluation. The highest
level of performance is Satisfactory. There is no way you can
exceed expectations or over achieve.
What about the teachers? That must be pretty embarrassing if your
students cannot do what they are supposed to be able to do.
Randy
Why? The teachers are probably mostly under 35 and can't pass the exam either.
reminds me of the 20 something out of college a few years, job
applicant we
Some interesting stories on Planet Money last week about welfare and
disability, and how the number of people on SSI has ballooned over the past
10-15 years. Why? Because the SSA doesn't really challenge applicants,
especially those who hire legal representation to make their claim. This has
Scott Ritchey wrote:
Third, people have access to entitlement programs that are
better than what they can earn working.
I saw a graph of total available resources vs earned income for a single parent,
and they needed salary and benefits worth $60k+ to match their best standard of
living from
I heard those - and in working in the medical profession - I was appaled at
the idea that these docs were making the call based not on disability but
on job prospects. I wonder if the federalies have tracked the doc on the
show down and arrested him yet
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Dan
In a former life I fired a white, male GS13 for misconduct. It was a very
clear-cut case of misconduct. Anyway, this firing process took over two
years for all the reviews and administrative hearings at the state and
Federal level. I suspect that if I had changed jobs to a different location
got caught a couple years ago because
he was out on disability and now logging.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:07:48 -0400
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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from Axe Men got caught a couple years ago because he was out on disability and now
logging.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:07:48 -0400
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
Message-ID: 8ef8cc6c-4c7d
Dan wrote:
Some interesting stories on Planet Money last week about welfare and
disability...
The same story was on This American Life a couple weeks ago:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/490/trends-with-benefits
Interesting presentation.
mao
Curt wrote:
I think yours must be a problem of location. My dad un-retired 6 years
ago. Got a job as a landfill manager making more money than he had been
making as a PE.
That is a great story.
I think my tenure is over, partially by choice, partially by age, partially
by concern for other
I saw a graph of total available resources vs earned income for a
single parent, and they needed salary and benefits worth $60k+ to
match their best standard of living from being low income.
So, the programs intended to help the poor are actually programs to
push the poor into staying poor,
Trying to fire clearly abusive cops who do very naughty things around Seattle
is nigh impossible. They got a peepee whack, then they get labor rep involved,
make a stink in court, and end up back on the job, ready to kick the feces out
of yet another welfare child.
clay
On Apr 10, 2013, at
] OT - Rant question of the day
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Some interesting stories on Planet Money last week about welfare and
disability, and how the number of people on SSI has ballooned over the past
10-15 years
worrying
about our situation.
--R
On 4/8/13 8:08 PM, WILTON wrote:
A pity.
Wilton
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http
Gee, do you think there is could be some connection between an anti-business
climate and a lack of jobs?
Nope. Our beloved leader sez it ain't so.
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And she will never figure out she got what she voted for, several times
Guess who she voted for, and still has Hope that things will Change.
I guess she is not down with the fundamental transformation.
I guess I shouldn't be political and all that, but this kind of
stuff just drips irony,
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Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort.
Probably does pick up her trash
My wife is in a somewhat similar position, in that she has hit the wall as far
as professional progress as she changed jobs due to moves because any
position she qualifies for requires a degree. She has been working online with
a college we both attended in Wisconsin and should finish up this
that one
extra word adds) and now I made right around 3x what she does.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:40:18 -0400
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
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That being said, she started out as a COBOL programmer in 1979,
worked through positions such as Manager of Financial Systems at
Harley-Davidson, and is one of only 1800 or so Certified
Professional Business Analysts in North America, yet she is
considered unqualified by most employers
Dan wrote:
Right up there with Art History.
Or, physics/math.
mao
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I hope no one I know ever ends up where she is.
Me.
But... you don't know me.
mao
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No, it's not a surprise, but when you consider that when she was entering the
workforce with a high level skill a college degree was not a requirement.
There was never the attitude of I can get away without, just that in her
particular discipline people could (at one time) progress based on
Sometime last week I was reading an opinion piece that higher education serves
two purposes. One to impart technical knowledge, the other, for the student to
gather practical knowledge.
I am not sure how well college actually does that, but for the sake of the
argument, I will go along.
There are lots of confounding factors here. First, the economy is slow (we
don't need to establish why) so there are fewer jobs, Second, like the
industrial revolution, the information revolution has automated or
eliminated many of the jobs people did previously (there was a day I had two
There is an inertial damper on getting poor employees out of government, but
there is also the up or out process that a few agencies practice. If you are
unable to proceed up the ladder within a certain time period, you get to leave.
Harsh, but effective. Around Seattle area, the
There is an inertial damper on getting poor employees out of
government, but there is also the up or out process that a few
agencies practice. If you are unable to proceed up the ladder
within a certain time period, you get to leave. Harsh, but
effective. Around Seattle area, the
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Randy wrote:
I hope no one I know ever ends up where she is.
Me.
But... you don't know
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Sometime last week I was reading an opinion piece that higher education serves
two purposes
http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html
Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does
pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life
clay
On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote:
Too many don't seem to give a damned;
A pity.
Wilton
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What? You mean a BA in English isn't a ticket to the good life?
/sarcasm
-Curt
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:45:47 -0700
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Another one
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Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort
, April 08, 2013 6:45 PM
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http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html
Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort.
Probably does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her
life
clay
On Apr 7
.
--R
On 4/8/13 8:08 PM, WILTON wrote:
A pity.
Wilton
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Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does
pick up her trash, but not the mess she made
Why do the sorry-a$$ smokers/litterbugs walking past my house seem to think
that it's OK to throw their cigarette butts in MY front yard for ME to pick
up?!!? Like too many all around us, they don't seem to give a damned about
anything but themselves and have no thought whatsoever about how
The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs
these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's trash
out at the stop sign in my front yard.
Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy.
Peter
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Two words: sprinkler system
And to add a few more: strategically (or would that be
tactically?)-aimed, with a remote
You can be that old guy peering out his window ready to tell the kids to
get off your damn lawn, but with the tonnage to back it up.
--R
On 4/7/13 9:48 AM, WILTON wrote:
Same reasons we have 50 million sorry-a$$ smokers/litterbugs on food stamps.
Why do the sorry-a$$ smokers/litterbugs walking past my house seem
to think that it's OK to throw their cigarette butts in MY front
yard for ME to pick up?!!? Like too many all around us, they don't
seem to give a
Same reason the slobs that go to stadiums (HS, college and pro) leave
tons of trash behind, puke all over and turn the restrooms into
places pigs would not live in.
Why do the sorry-a$$ smokers/litterbugs walking past my house seem
to think that it's OK to throw their cigarette butts in MY
WILTON wrote:
Why do the sorry-a$$ smokers/litterbugs walking past my house seem to think
that it's OK to throw their cigarette butts in MY front yard for ME to pick
up?!!? Like too many all around us, they don't seem to give a damned about
anything but themselves and have no thought
the
truck as his personal vehicle. Dad's already fired 'im, and he's gone.
Thank you.
Wilton
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Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 11:00 AM
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Reminds me of a Reader's Digest story many years back.
A guy pulls into a gas station somewhere in the middle West on
vacation to gas up. Place is spotless, no dust, no trash, looks like
someone's house. Absolutely no cigarette butts on the ground, back in
the days when nearly everyone
WILTON wrote:
Monday morning, Mr. Coors screamed, They did
WHAT? I repeated what I had seen his 2 sorry-a$$es in his truck do. I
rushed several blocks to his office and sat the bag of trash on his desk
as he thanked me profusely and said, I'll take care of 'em right now.
Couple minutes
Peter Frederick wrote:
His wife says they must really work hard to keep this place so clean
as a big Cadillac pulls up. Driver reaches down, pull the ashtray and
dumps it on the ground as the gas monkey goes to fill up the car.
That man was truly a class act, considering I don't remember
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The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs
these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's
That's the just way it is in the South and it crosses all social classes.
You're as likely to see trash being thrown out of an old pickup truck and
you are a new Mercedes. Its right up there with farm activities that
pollute the land and and water.
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Mitch Haley
] OT - Rant question of the day
That's the just way it is in the South and it crosses all social classes.
You're as likely to see trash being thrown out of an old pickup truck and
you are a new Mercedes. Its right up there with farm activities that
pollute the land and and water.
On Sun, Apr
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That's the just way it is in the South and it crosses all social classes.
You're as likely to see trash being thrown out of an old pickup truck and
you are a new Mercedes. Its
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That's the just way it is in the South and it crosses all social
classes
to the South.
Wilton
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That's the just way it is in the South and it crosses all social
] OT - Rant question of the day
The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs
these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's
trash out at the stop sign in my front yard.
Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy.
Peter
AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs
these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's trash
out at the stop sign in my front yard.
Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy.
Peter
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
That's the just way it is in the South and it crosses all social
classes.
You're as likely to see trash being thrown out of an old pickup
truck and
you are a new Mercedes. Its right up
On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:42:16 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
I made it a point to be there when his mom picked him up that day.
Gee, Mrs. x, Tommy here says you pick up after him if he throws
his trash on the floor.
I most certainly do not.
That's good, because that is the
'Nother ATTABOY!
Wilton
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